Looking forward to the book release: Parf Lyfe: How I Designed the Dog. Kidding - stunning product! Getting some as soon as get a chance (at the local Lee Valley shop!)
I purchased the Parf Guide System in April 2017, very cool and fun to use jig , noticed immediately how well designed and built it was, very tight tolerances for the price.
Peter I have seen comments that after several uses the 3mm holes in the rulers widen and are not accurate anymore. Wouldn't a solution be to use a centre punch or even a pencil to mark the holes and then even use a small router or a portable drill stand with the drill. Geoff
Your holes will need to be accurate when punching but that is unlikely to be the case as you will be drilling free hand. People when using the ruler just need to be a little bit more careful.
A generally excellent video but it does not deal with the one doubtful area which comes to mind. The thickness of the Parf Sticks (rulers) is not stated but, assuming that they are about 1mm thick, one wonders how, given the angled point on a standard twist drill, the drill will register accurately in the guide holes (which are not said to be hardened). Over time, won't the guide holes be enlarged? Perhaps the guide bush could be magnetic and first located by a pin?
It is just a 3mm hole. That only needs to be accurate for that upp depth drill. When you then put the guide block in place and drill it with a 20mm set that accuracy does not become a problem So the 3mm hole as in surface acts as a guide to the 22mm drill. There is nothing new in any of this. The problem would become really apparent if you holes were several meters apart.
Hi Geoff, The Parf guide system is designed so it should not have much break out. We would recommend using a backing board though. Kind regards Tracey Customer Service
Hi Peter Great system! I am interested in a Test with the 5-Cut method. Can you do this? It will be great test an show, how accurate your system is. Thanks in advance
Hi, the guide hole in the guide block is not for the 48mm spaced holes. It’s there so a grid of 96mm spaced holes can be completed. We are currently working on developing a ruler that will be able to do 48mm spaced holes which should be available a bit later in the year. Kind regards Lindsay
@newbritworkshop Ive just purchased your product and after laying out 3mm holes and drilling 20mm holes. The cuts aren't square. Ive noticed that the veritas dogs have a little play in them, especially the long dogs when you press the guide against then. Is this something I could've done wrong or a faulty product? Help from you or any other users would be great
Hi, if you would like to call us on 0800 371 822, and ask to speak to Tony from our pre-sales team, he will be happy to assist with your query. Regards, Martine.
if you've been watching the videos you should know the large bench dogs have to be bolted down from the underneath.this system is very very accurate.......
Why would you need this system when you can simply measure out on a grid drill points? Using the same trigonometric attitude? Considering it’s a throw away board you’re making ..... and please ..... don’t say accuracy .... you can get perfect accuracy by measurement
+Constuctive Critisism I am going to say it to you anyway. Accuracy. If you your holes are out by a fraction of a millimeter such as a quarter of a millimeter it will magnify the problem the further you drill out. It will mean you cannot achieve a right angle. The question is not that your marking and trigonometric system is out but your accuracy of drilling would be a problem. If you are an engineer then you could fabricate to aid in what you are suggesting but then you have to consider the vast majority of woodworkers are not fabrication engineers. And do not have the equipment to do so.
Hello Peter, I 'd like to suggest an aother way to do this. The website is in dutch but the video will guide you through. It is cheaper and just as accurate as your system. Kind Regards, Frans van Velzen www.247wood.nl/nl/werkblad-freesmal-mft-complete-set/a3957
This looks to be an extremely accurate system.
Looking forward to the book release: Parf Lyfe: How I Designed the Dog. Kidding - stunning product! Getting some as soon as get a chance (at the local Lee Valley shop!)
very nice man, congrats amazing product.
Damn, this is good !
I purchased the Parf Guide System in April 2017, very cool and fun to use jig , noticed immediately how well designed and built it was, very tight tolerances for the price.
Hola no seria posible estos tutoriales en Español ? Para los que estamos en España?
Peter I have seen comments that after several uses the 3mm holes in the rulers widen and are not accurate anymore. Wouldn't a solution be to use a centre punch or even a pencil to mark the holes and then even use a small router or a portable drill stand with the drill. Geoff
Your holes will need to be accurate when punching but that is unlikely to be the case as you will be drilling free hand.
People when using the ruler just need to be a little bit more careful.
What's the significance of 3mm for the holes? Why not 5mm so standard shelf pins fit straight in the pilot holes when making cabinetry?
The smaller the pin holes the greater chance of accuracy. 5mm is 66% greater in size than 3mm
Well presented
I bought a hat from watermans country supplies in devon once, true story
A generally excellent video but it does not deal with the one doubtful area which comes to mind.
The thickness of the Parf Sticks (rulers) is not stated but, assuming that they are about 1mm thick, one wonders how, given the angled point on a standard twist drill, the drill will register accurately in the guide holes (which are not said to be hardened). Over time, won't the guide holes be enlarged?
Perhaps the guide bush could be magnetic and first located by a pin?
It is just a 3mm hole. That only needs to be accurate for that upp depth drill. When you then put the guide block in place and drill it with a 20mm set that accuracy does not become a problem
So the 3mm hole as in surface acts as a guide to the 22mm drill. There is nothing new in any of this.
The problem would become really apparent if you holes were several meters apart.
Peter do you get much breakout in the MDF underneath. Do you use a backing board ? Geoff
Hi Geoff, The Parf guide system is designed so it should not have much break out. We would recommend using a backing board though. Kind regards Tracey Customer Service
Hi Peter
Great system! I am interested in a Test with the 5-Cut method. Can you do this? It will be great test an show, how accurate your system is. Thanks in advance
Is using the second guide hole in the guide block for 48mm spacing "supported"? Will it still be accurate?
Hi, the guide hole in the guide block is not for the 48mm spaced holes. It’s there so a grid of 96mm spaced holes can be completed. We are currently working on developing a ruler that will be able to do 48mm spaced holes which should be available a bit later in the year. Kind regards Lindsay
@newbritworkshop
Ive just purchased your product and after laying out 3mm holes and drilling 20mm holes. The cuts aren't square. Ive noticed that the veritas dogs have a little play in them, especially the long dogs when you press the guide against then. Is this something I could've done wrong or a faulty product?
Help from you or any other users would be great
Hi, if you would like to call us on 0800 371 822, and ask to speak to Tony from our pre-sales team, he will be happy to assist with your query. Regards, Martine.
JT, I will be using this system soon, and would like to avoid any problems. Did you get any answers regarding the bench dogs.
if you've been watching the videos you should know the large bench dogs have to be bolted down from the underneath.this system is very very accurate.......
Any plans on the horizon for a North American version with 3/4 inch dogs and dog holes?
+Co Rin
Just use 20mm. Then source 20mm dogs.
Why would you need this system when you can simply measure out on a grid drill points? Using the same trigonometric attitude? Considering it’s a throw away board you’re making ..... and please ..... don’t say accuracy .... you can get perfect accuracy by measurement
+Constuctive Critisism
I am going to say it to you anyway. Accuracy.
If you your holes are out by a fraction of a millimeter such as a quarter of a millimeter it will magnify the problem the further you drill out.
It will mean you cannot achieve a right angle. The question is not that your marking and trigonometric system is out but your accuracy of drilling would be a problem.
If you are an engineer then you could fabricate to aid in what you are suggesting but then you have to consider the vast majority of woodworkers are not fabrication engineers. And do not have the equipment to do so.
Hello Peter,
I 'd like to suggest an aother way to do this. The website is in dutch but the video will guide you through. It is cheaper and just as accurate as your system.
Kind Regards,
Frans van Velzen
www.247wood.nl/nl/werkblad-freesmal-mft-complete-set/a3957
120 £? 155€ ? head off. exit from eu