Ferrari 458 Spider vs Jaguar XKR-S: which sounds best?

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
  • Both the Ferrari 458 Spider and the Jaguar XKR-S Convertible get V8 motors and arguably the most sonorous exhaust notes anywhere. Steve Sutcliffe gets out the noise-meter and visits a tunnel to decide which sounds best.

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  • @leewhite2858
    @leewhite2858 8 років тому +137

    Jag..Submit your vote here

    • @jamdoginc
      @jamdoginc 8 років тому +1

      Lee White jag for sure

    • @drizzydrakejr.3676
      @drizzydrakejr.3676 7 років тому

      Lee White Jag

    • @william__9449
      @william__9449 6 років тому

      This car is amazing I ve got the blue coupe for 2 months et don’t regret my purchase the only annoying fact is the gearbox which is a bit slow and the old central console...

  • @RareAxies
    @RareAxies 12 років тому

    Was the 458 in race mode for the test? It *completely* changes the engine sound!

  • @mthalali
    @mthalali 12 років тому

    Maserati Gran Tourismo deserves to be represented here.

  • @TezyTezyTez
    @TezyTezyTez 11 років тому

    I think its safe to say that nothing is touching the LFA when it comes to sound

  • @philhaffmans
    @philhaffmans 12 років тому

    Is this THE best noise you have heard? Then you definately must hear a gallardo one day

  • @lorifranz167
    @lorifranz167 10 років тому

    The ferrari is LOUD!! Still the jaguar is load. Great vid!! :)

    • @ld5024
      @ld5024 3 роки тому

      And...do you fart enough load?

  • @97Mattydude
    @97Mattydude 11 років тому

    you know the only jaguars ive seen are the older cheaper ones, not too impressive, then i went to the website today and HOLY SHIT!!!!!

  • @joshuapozerskis2691
    @joshuapozerskis2691 10 років тому +177

    I think the XKR-S sounds much better... remember, it roars!

  • @sammasson3116
    @sammasson3116 9 років тому +73

    (Flat plane crank) Vs (Cross plane crank)
    ==
    (Racing car sound) Vs (Muscle car sound)

    • @samr1321
      @samr1321 8 років тому

      +Sam Masson Enough said!

    • @william__9449
      @william__9449 6 років тому

      Shitty racing actual car sound...

    • @jeffpollard7304
      @jeffpollard7304 4 роки тому +2

      Correct, most ppl. Don’ t understand the difference. I personally prefer the ‘roar’ over the ‘scream’!

    • @flyurway
      @flyurway 4 роки тому

      You just summed it up quite well!

  • @NishikoRyuu
    @NishikoRyuu 10 років тому +38

    You meant: "Which sounds the loudest?" I still like the Jag's sound more! :3

    • @askinerdogan
      @askinerdogan 3 роки тому +2

      7 years later and i can afford this car

  • @Callsign_Jaeger
    @Callsign_Jaeger 8 років тому +25

    The Jag by a long shot.

  • @Mattyboy88979
    @Mattyboy88979 7 років тому +17

    Jag sounds better and off course how much difference lol

  • @Oldschoolmetalnrock
    @Oldschoolmetalnrock 10 років тому +18

    The Fez sounds like an expensive hairdryer in comparison to the mighty Jag, end of contest

  • @montball3850
    @montball3850 8 років тому +13

    Maserati granturismo has the best exhaust note in my opinion

    • @lionyleftwich4418
      @lionyleftwich4418 5 років тому +1

      Yeah but it's hella slow.Damn near anything can beat it

    • @zizikanaan2353
      @zizikanaan2353 5 років тому +1

      Aston 6l v12s are the best

  • @lairdriver
    @lairdriver 11 років тому +7

    I love Jaguar, and I love the fact that Jaguar is making a comeback. Their Cars look amazing.

  • @ceziukozak
    @ceziukozak 11 років тому +7

    crackles and backfires of JAG on downshifts - just beautiful, reminds od TVRs

  • @lov2aclr8
    @lov2aclr8 10 років тому +31

    Haha people that cant afford the seats from these beauties are arguing in the comments like their opinion matters.

    • @nigelbowers3134
      @nigelbowers3134 10 років тому +12

      Well, being a Jag owner myself, I CAN afford the seats thus my opinion matters. Does yours?

    • @lov2aclr8
      @lov2aclr8 10 років тому +4

      Nigel Bowers you commented so it does. lol. so affording a pair of seats equal to even applying for credit for a car with a down payment of a house? a 1999 xk8 as nice as it is doesn't count in this case.
      also unless you have at least two supercars the manufacturers dont care about you. did you get a questionnaire sent out to you?

  • @JohnL2011
    @JohnL2011 9 років тому +17

    Ummm who cares how LOUD they are. The Jaguar sounds absolutely amazing. The Ferrari sounds the same as all Ferrari's, Yaaawwwwn, boring...

    • @SenszR
      @SenszR 9 років тому +4

      Ferrari sounds miles better than the XK in real life.

    • @UALHVY
      @UALHVY 9 років тому +3

      +John L I have an F TYPE R and it sounds awesome....but I would never say that it sounds better than some Ferraris.....

    • @ryanfoor9451
      @ryanfoor9451 8 років тому

      +John L needs a spires stage 2... with the X- Pipe crossover it gets 10x BETTER... absolutely as loud as the F type R but cleaner sound with less snaps

  • @M135iboost
    @M135iboost 3 роки тому +5

    I love my XFR, but that 458 takes it for me. Unbelievable sound.

  • @Hazulkar
    @Hazulkar 10 років тому +5

    The sound of the 458 in that tunnel - I'm hearing it with my 5.1 surround headset WOW!!!! My heart rate just increased!

  • @goldeneye9381
    @goldeneye9381 5 років тому +2

    *the Jag XKR all day ..more practical and sexier plus more elegant*

  • @adam1othman
    @adam1othman 10 років тому +2

    the jag sounds pissed the fuck off and the ferrari is just..... well if god farted thats what it would sound like. absolutely amazing better then the jag and gives the car way more character

  • @ivayloipetkov
    @ivayloipetkov 8 років тому +5

    what a useless test. When you are measuring sound presure level you need a device which measures across the whole sonic range. A mic in a phone is specifically calibrated NOT to measure across the whole sonic range. Secondly 3Dbl increase in noise is twice as loud....

    • @MrRonan3
      @MrRonan3 8 років тому

      +Ivaylo Petkov. was you on thunderbirds in the 1970's" BRAINS " yes mr tracy,

    • @louisxiiii
      @louisxiiii 6 років тому

      Yes and no. An increase of 3 dB is a doubling of sound pressure in the physical sense, but it I snot perceived as such. A 3dB increase is certainly noticeable, but doesn't sound like what most would perceive as twice as loud. On the other hand, for one sound to mask another, it takes about a 10dB difference. This may be where he gets the 10 dB figure. Notice he does say something about being perceived as twice as loud. The same holds true for light - a doubling or halving of light isn't as noticeable as you might think.

    • @louisxiiii
      @louisxiiii 6 років тому

      Ahhh!! Autocorrect kills me again.. "is not", not "I snot" LOL

    • @lucky-zb8tj
      @lucky-zb8tj 5 років тому

      Just drive her!

  • @samr1321
    @samr1321 8 років тому +2

    This shouldn't even be a question. Ferrari 458 is better in EVERYTHING that XKR-S. 458 is one of the greates sports cars ever made, XKW-S is not.

    • @MrAppledude007
      @MrAppledude007 8 років тому

      +Sam R No shit sherlock

    • @samr1321
      @samr1321 8 років тому

      +MrAppledude007 Yes shite Mr apples.

  • @Bwause83
    @Bwause83 9 років тому +2

    the jag sounds better. much deeper, more aggressiv. the ferrari sounds so high.. i dont like these sportscar sounds. the jag sounds more aggressiv and angry, like a big fat muscle car.

    • @samr1321
      @samr1321 8 років тому

      +Bwause83 Not everybody can appreciate a true sports car.

  • @Jdjfbficjenenwk3736
    @Jdjfbficjenenwk3736 Рік тому +1

    I love both cars. Jaguar sounds manlier and “roar-like”. But Ferrari sounds more classic and high performance. Apples and oranges but both badass in different styles.

  • @gregood
    @gregood 7 років тому +2

    Louder is not better... otherwise remove the exhaust and you’ll have plenty of dB... but it will sound crap ! Quality of the sound is what matters... to me anyway! The sound of a lambo is different from a ferrari and so is the jag, just a question of sensibility and tastes... useless test.

  • @jjj5647
    @jjj5647 8 років тому +5

    XKRS looks and sound better and better build quality

  • @sguitas
    @sguitas 10 років тому +4

    The jaguar surprised me, but the ferrari sounds really better

  • @DaveyuKay
    @DaveyuKay 10 років тому +4

    I would need to have both in my garage to decide....anyone feeling generous?

  • @75KoDe
    @75KoDe 12 років тому +2

    2:16 Oh look! It seems that a fire extinguisher is standard now :DD

  • @michaeldilisio2935
    @michaeldilisio2935 11 років тому +1

    Ferrari does, has, and always will set the standard for a beautiful exhaust note....

  • @andrewmiller3462
    @andrewmiller3462 11 років тому +3

    sweet ferrari, love the gold rims and the soft touch interior as well as the fire extinguisher and lack of a gps.

  • @TMKuro
    @TMKuro Рік тому +1

    Well, invite the Maserati Granturismo S / Sport / Stradale to such a contest the next time.😆

  • @hendradi3031
    @hendradi3031 9 років тому +1

    Naturally Aspirated engine is the best, no doubt.
    F458 Speciale FTW.

  • @killercheecae8602
    @killercheecae8602 10 років тому +2

    The 458 wasn´t even in race mode just then the exhaust will go like hell *-*

  • @OrionsWarriorUK
    @OrionsWarriorUK 10 років тому +20

    i didnt know that the jaguar actually sounds like that. i thought it was going to be quiet. if that is seriously how it sounds i have to get one i mean it. amazing!

    • @whydoodat
      @whydoodat 10 років тому

      You had a Jaguar didn't you, ohhh wait I forgot... All you do is spread lies you fucking moron.

    • @OrionsWarriorUK
      @OrionsWarriorUK 10 років тому

      no your wrong, i have a jaguar just not that one. they make more than 1 model fucktard

    • @OrionsWarriorUK
      @OrionsWarriorUK 10 років тому

      ***** both are nice cars though tbh

  • @Chimera1138
    @Chimera1138 10 років тому +3

    a fucking iphone app? really?

    • @mhks68
      @mhks68 7 років тому

      Chimera1138 measuring the DB of an exhaust....REALLY!

  • @blt4990
    @blt4990 10 років тому +2

    He didn't turn the 458 to Race mode, that is much much louder.

  • @rootsmanuva82
    @rootsmanuva82 8 років тому +3

    Nothing sounds better than a Nissan Sentra with a CVT going uphill. A Ferrari can only dream of droning so hardcore.

    • @lupuclaudiu4468
      @lupuclaudiu4468 8 років тому

      :)))) ...... :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  • @MisoLise
    @MisoLise 11 років тому +2

    Ferrari's engine is not a simple sound... It is melody ... it is Art...

  • @svg571
    @svg571 10 років тому +2

    go green this go green that, that's just a benefit for a group of some ones,cause if
    i pay big money for a car i want POWER not go green....

  • @VICARI0S
    @VICARI0S 10 років тому +3

    Phone-App "sound dB readers" are not accurate AT ALL.

  • @AutomotiveRevv
    @AutomotiveRevv 10 років тому

    Personally I prefeer loud and bass exhaust sounds, the Ferrari sounds way too much like an insect. My thoughts, don't get mad people..

  • @juliensorel6383
    @juliensorel6383 8 років тому +3

    For me Jag... Better is F355, not 458.

  • @KarbisSarafyan
    @KarbisSarafyan 11 років тому +1

    making a video about how loud these beasts are is just as awesome as seeing how fast they go around a track! :D Thanks!

  • @RK1FX
    @RK1FX 10 років тому +3

    458 for me hands down.

  • @fullfist
    @fullfist 11 років тому +2

    Jag - more refined

  • @cloudchaser8297
    @cloudchaser8297 8 років тому +1

    the xkrs is a really fun car to drive. we have one in the family and it's a blast to ride and drive. it gets out of the hole good to almost instant torque right away

  • @jbro4971
    @jbro4971 10 років тому +9

    My civic sounds better than both of em

  • @marcelobidoia6803
    @marcelobidoia6803 5 років тому +1

    I like Maserati better than both.

  • @projectr2451
    @projectr2451 2 місяці тому

    I think my vote was decided in 41 seconds. Obviously I watched the whole video anyway. The downshifts of the 458 is so amazing. Jaguar also sounds so damn good. But it has to be the 458 for me personally. The downshifts in those first 40 seconds being a big influencer in that decision.

  • @Bwause83
    @Bwause83 12 років тому +1

    the jaguar just sounds 1000000 times cooler

  • @mikilyyyyy
    @mikilyyyyy 11 років тому +2

    '66 STINGRAY WINS! :D

  • @GroppaRacing
    @GroppaRacing 12 років тому

    Why don´t you compare the lambo aventador it sounds tons better then this two cars

  • @queenform
    @queenform 10 років тому +1

    ferrari 458 obviously

  • @Matt77346
    @Matt77346 11 років тому +1

    Jag did a great job with this car and the exhaust sound is just right. In neutral it will only rev to ~4,000 RPM. If it would have rev'd higher like the Ferrari did, it would have hit the db meter even harder. Awesome cars, both sound amazing.

  • @ejsgarage
    @ejsgarage 2 роки тому

    Jag! Because my Jag XKR 175 makes beautiful noise

  • @madmickmad
    @madmickmad 11 років тому +1

    I like the Jags Dirty Dirty sound!

  • @laxman027
    @laxman027 12 років тому +1

    love those scuderia-esque bronze wheels

  • @1eldar777
    @1eldar777 11 років тому +1

    My Jaguar XK sound same as XKR-S

  • @Firemarioflower
    @Firemarioflower 10 років тому +2

    Even though they can't match the sounds of former super cars from the nineteens and 2000-2008 i think the jag is better. The 458 doesn't drive, look or sound like a real ferrari.

    • @oooining
      @oooining 10 років тому +3

      I agree that supercars nowadays don't sound as good as the old ones but the 458 drives, looks or sounds like a real ferrari or not, this is too subjective for you to judge!

    • @Lamborghini123ful
      @Lamborghini123ful 10 років тому

      I absolutely agree with you! The 458, in my mind, is no better than the 430 scuderia spider. I know that the scuderia is more focused than the standard car, but I think that, apart from the f40, that's the best car Ferrari makes.

    • @Firemarioflower
      @Firemarioflower 10 років тому

      oooining Nope. Afraid not. A real Ferrari doesnt make the sound the 458 makes.

    • @Firemarioflower
      @Firemarioflower 10 років тому

      Kingsun Cheung Nice. But my favorites are the 355 F1 and F50.

  • @T2oys
    @T2oys 10 років тому +7

    Jaguar f type v8s.

  • @suzileitrevisan4548
    @suzileitrevisan4548 2 роки тому

    Muito lindo carro é uma máquina,tive o prazer de conhecer um jaguar que tudo
    Também gravo sou yotube
    Sucesso no canal sempre🙏

  • @ROFLgator1
    @ROFLgator1 11 років тому +1

    The Jaguar DESTROYED my ears...

  • @tektao
    @tektao 10 років тому

    probably showing off a bit, but I have a few XKR's (2001/2006s (last 10made of original shape facelift)) (modified exhausts/gearbox/pulley supercharger etc) and a modded 360 stradale with 430 airbox and carbon all over. spent 30 to 60tho on each on mods. (they both LOOK pretty regular). anyway I prefer the Jags. The 458 is pretty but new XKs and Ftypes are ugly IMHO. I have driven most supercars too.. want mean sleek etc.. get a subtly modded 2004-2006 XKR 4.2s.

  • @DanielSadjadian
    @DanielSadjadian Рік тому

    Ah the days when stock EU cars sounded amazing without needing an aftermarket exhaust.

  • @600zxr
    @600zxr 3 роки тому

    Ferrari sounds better by far. Your Db tests are extremely flawed but I've heard both in person and you feel the XKRS more in your body the 458 in your head which is representative of the octave differences between the two cars. BTW, if you want a loud car that blows both away get a 4.7l Maserati Granturismo.

  • @1bigchicken
    @1bigchicken 3 роки тому

    I know this vid is really old but Inwanted to point out that this is NOT a reliable testing method. It’s very subjective and your attempts to have a fair and similar measurements are flawed as nothing is calibrated and you are measuring wind noise And there are many other variables between each test like where you are holding the phone, how much wind etc...
    Also an important distinction is whether it was measured using “A” or “C” weighting - whereby A weighting filters out some bass energy - exhaust notes are mostly bass but each will have different tonal charactistics.
    Can’t have a fair comparison between an Apple and an orange

  • @henrysiegertsz8204
    @henrysiegertsz8204 8 років тому

    I can settle the which sounds better argument! Neither, they are different sounding altogether. Which sounds better, however, is entirely subjective. Subjectivity is a fundamental characteristic of humanity, i.e., all humans are different, otherwise we'd all like exactly the same things, food, women, men, music, cars and life would be so boring we'd all commit suicide and there, would be, an unhappy end to mankind!

  • @henrysiegertsz8204
    @henrysiegertsz8204 8 років тому

    Incorrect! It is every Three decibels increase in sound pressure level, Din B weighted, on axis at 1m from the sound source which is a doubling in perceived loudness to the ear!Secondly, sound pressure level follows an inverse square law, typical for all wave propagation in nature. so an increase in distance from the sound source from 1m to 2 m, is actually equivalent to a quartering of the sound pressure level. Since you were at least twice as far from the Ferrari exhaust than the Jag with your phone, that would make the Ferrari about 6dB louder than the Jag on top of what you actually measured! If you don't believe me ask your sound recordist!

  • @Kaipeternicolas
    @Kaipeternicolas 12 років тому

    Cool. When he measures the (British) XKR-S he is like a foot away from the exhaust. When he measures the (Italian) Ferrari he is like 4 feet away. There goes the unbiased comparison. Welcome to Steve Sutcliffe's world.

  • @jaybrecker
    @jaybrecker 10 років тому

    Wanker. Someone tell Autocar (they should know better) that recording sound levels is highly proximity-dependent. Results depend heavily on exact location of the mic/sensor being used. And there is a lot of debate and little agreement on the dB level of what the human ear and brain perceives as twice as loud as a baseline sound level, so stating "for every 10 dB, X is twice as loud as Y is utter shyte.

  • @rtlast2535
    @rtlast2535 2 роки тому

    XKRS much better, always roaring. The driver down shifted in the Ferrari, so it made a louder noise, but he didn’t do the same in the XKRS. The KXRSs are famous for their massive roar when downshifting, so not a fair exercise.

  • @filipmadrid9504
    @filipmadrid9504 9 років тому

    you guys have nothing better to compare a jaguar? you get a Ferrari? PLEASE!!! FERRARI ALL THE WAY!!!

  • @Angusrather
    @Angusrather 11 років тому +1

    Ferrari's weeny Jags ROAR!

  • @derekfricke8924
    @derekfricke8924 7 років тому

    This is a mere 550hp, with a slight tune and highflow cats you will see over 620hp! And that meow, turns into a amazing roar!
    frickenfast.us/t/fricken-fast

  • @123Andrew123able
    @123Andrew123able 11 років тому +1

    jaguar sounds more brutal

  • @AlastorTheNPDemon
    @AlastorTheNPDemon 8 років тому

    Jag. The 458 sounds great, as in it's so *racecar*, but too similar to a four-cylinder. Crossplane is necessary if an exhaust note is prioritized, but that's just me.

  • @jayroc1502
    @jayroc1502 2 роки тому

    They sound close, but the sound doubles for every three decibels. So, the Jag is almost half the volume of the Ferrari.

  • @richardcoward7234
    @richardcoward7234 9 років тому

    Was that heading up over the Shoreham fly-over in the last sequence...!? In which case, where was the tunnel you did the sound check in please?

  • @iantownsend5480
    @iantownsend5480 9 років тому +7

    I just think the F430 Sounds better than the 458

    • @Tkcb2799
      @Tkcb2799 7 років тому

      Ian Townsend sameeee

  • @wwefan4517
    @wwefan4517 9 років тому

    This auto car guy is fan of jaguar...i watched his last two videos also he was trying to say that jaguar is best...jaguar is good car but not so...i would recommend maserati in terms of sound....

  • @bricarclub34
    @bricarclub34 12 років тому

    Both cars sound fantastic but my verdict will go to rhe Ferrari 458 Spider because is sounds better than the Jag XK-RS Convertible.

  • @flyurway
    @flyurway 4 роки тому

    Ferrari sounds good but that single plane crank just doesn't let it sound "right". Jag has the famous V8 sound that rocks!

  • @welcome2me
    @welcome2me 11 років тому +1

    that rari is wild

  • @vyvynylification
    @vyvynylification 9 років тому

    sure, the ferrari might me louder but i don't like the sound, i Love the jaguars sound. today i drove a jaguar f-type R and the sound is absolutely brutal

  • @bzdtemp
    @bzdtemp 10 років тому

    Pretty embarasing to do a piece on sound and then using such crappy audio recording gear and use an iPhone app for measuring audio levels. Nice cars but the value of this clip is really zero.

  • @DaLeadBull
    @DaLeadBull 10 років тому

    The difference is the Ferrari sounds so refined while the Jag sounds angry and burly. It depends which sound you like better.

  • @johnn278
    @johnn278 6 років тому

    XKR-S all day, a proper sounding V8. Ferraris sound good but sound like a highly tuned 4 cylinder.

  • @jamescooling76
    @jamescooling76 12 років тому +1

    Jag sounds better IMO. Growls!!!

  • @SoreHead11
    @SoreHead11 11 років тому

    What are you talking about? He didn't, at any point suggest the Jag was going to be better? They were just playing with 2 different loud exhausts to see which was loudest.
    If you've ever heard the noise the XKR-S makes you'd understand why. It's a GT car unlike the Ferrari so doesn't drive as well but the noise is fucking incredible. Totally different to the scream of the 458. Really angry noise. I like it as much as the 458 noise. Try to get to hear in the flesh. You won't be disappointed.

  • @torod213
    @torod213 11 років тому

    Really? And how do you know it's his? How do you know it's not one of the press cars he has delivered in his drive every week? All I've seen is pictures of him and his daughter in it. I've seen no evidence to suggest it's his. All the articles saying he's bought it is just linking to the daily mail article.
    It just seems odd that he would buy it judging by how he has spoken of it on Top Gear and in his DVD's. He thinks it's too serious.

  • @Tcgardner82
    @Tcgardner82 11 років тому

    What's with you British creaming in your pants when you hear high pitched, screaming, whiney sounds! Ferrari is a bad ass car maker but they sound like a lion having its balls smashed by a dump truck.. highly tuned v8 muscle cars are where its at!! I can see loving Ferrari's and Lambo's because they are beautiful, fast, greatly engineered machines but not for that high pitched, whiney noise they make. Its a good sound but not worth exploding in your trousers!!! Just Sayin!

  • @loloh91
    @loloh91 12 років тому

    Maserati GranTurismo, Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione, Lexus LF-A, Porsche Carrera GT, Lamborghini Gallardo (my god this 3 V10's I just mentioned!!), many AMG's with the naturally aspirated 6.3 V8 engine, Pagani Zonda (any of them), Porsche GT3 and Lambo's V12's. There you have it. Best sounding engines from contemporary cars. Don't get me started with the old one's. Oh... and fuck turbos.

  • @snowthugs
    @snowthugs 12 років тому

    Autocar can arrange the use of two exotic cars but cant afford the $25 for a proper decible meter? Rubbish, microphone by nature convert sound waves into a signal, while a decible meter measures pressure of sound that can be of the same signal strength. As an example a lot of pop music sounds to the human ear louder then it actually is. Dear Autocar, just because their is an app for that doesnt mean it works. Be a real journalist show and do your homework first.

  • @1JAMROCK1
    @1JAMROCK1 12 років тому

    Yeah, very scientific man.. Use a phone to calculate the decibels from a cars' exhaust. And also you held the phones at two different positions. Holding the phone next to the exhaust would enable the wind noise cancelling to start cutting down those decibels too.
    How about just talk about which one sounds better and compare a few other cars in there to make it a little more interesting.

  • @naz2468
    @naz2468 8 років тому

    Obviously hasn't heard a Lexus LFA giving it some if he thinks a 458 is the best sound to come from a car

  • @george385
    @george385 9 років тому

    Spoil the environment? Get real - "not cool" - tell ya what - I'll stick to my Jag and you can stick with walking?

  • @thomaswagener103
    @thomaswagener103 10 років тому

    Try both and judge for yourself! World Class Driving in Las Vegas, well worth the money.