He claimed that as a former paralegal he could pass the bar exam and that "anyone can take it" without going through law school, which is false: www.jdadvising.com/can-take-bar-exam-before-i-graduate-law-school/
It’s the damn ego that I can’t stand! I would have at least respected him if he had of just conceded the point ... but these fucking maga cunts can’t let go of their egos.
@@wyattoutlaw2370 He started out pretty well to, I was thinking "Oh hey Destiny might actually get some good back and forth debating" aaaaand then it devolved into Destiny+lawyer buddy explaining very basic things to a toddler.
Ya know.... I used to be tough on Destiny for being so demeaning in debates.... but I'm starting to get it. This is unbelievable stupidity. Obama is to blame for the housing crash? A reporter is guilty of defamation for quoting someone saying something? The constant topic jumps? This is insane. EDIT: Oh my god stop using "misnomer" like that
1. Jack said "x" 2. Jill said "Jack said x" Jack made a false statment if "x" is untrue Jill made a false statement if "Jack said x" is untrue. This has nothing to do with whether or not x is true. It has to do with whether or not Jack actually said x. How? How is this a hard thing to understand?
"The housing crisis was because of Obama." When did it happen? "2007" When did Obama become president? "2008... Wait. Why can't I say that something that happened before Obama is his fault but I can't say that something that happened before Trump is to his credit." WOW
i refreshed to read the comments after listening to this, and im blown away i got this many likes lol. I actually think he looks nice in that shirt too. I mean look at 00:09, looking good.
I'm actually quite proud of him. I would have told this guy to fuck off and kicked him out as soon as he said Obama was the sole reason for the housing crisis. Braindead fucks like him do not deserve a voice in politics.
Jesus, this dude. First he claimed to be a paralegal. Then he claim d he practiced law for ten years. As an actual attorney this pisses me off. It’s actually a crime to pretend to be an attorneys. Only lawyers “practice law”. Paralegals most certainly do not.
This is what I imagine the majority of people that vote are actually like, even on the left. I completely agree with Destiny's stance on our democratic system because of that.
@@lizdevine2525 I don't think it should be any different than any public square. Hate speech is free speech and false speech is free speech. Shouldn't we settle this the way we always do? Let them talk and we can counter their bs with logic and reason. I'm not for false or hate speech being deplatformed, but I also recognize a private company's right to do what they like. Does it come to a point where it dominates public discourse so much that government steps in to regulate? That's why I would prefer the company's to do it on their own.
@@michaelbernard1041 I agree but that's not what they were talking about, they weren't talking about hate speech they were talking about deliberate spread of misinformation by public figures. Granted I hate censorship and I can see how that can end up a disaster but I think destiny was just coming from a rational take a lot of people have and it's much harder to combat lies that take the form of news or data than it is to combat an irrational hateful opinion people have
"Based on the Cato Institute's findings" Yeah... nope. That enough told me this was going to be a shitshow; he's citing a right wing libertarian think thank as an unbiased source. Fail.
Zachary Hartkop To be honest I didn’t really comprehend he even said ‘CATO institute’ until someone in chat mentioned it. Like the pronunciation of CATO institute and what it is didn’t cross until I read it.
40mins in and still waiting for the debate to start and for his weird monologue about all his sources and positions to end I regret getting to the actual debate part.....
Where are the citations? He seems to quote something from the ADL in 2016 suggesting left/right violence is basically equal. The thing I found from the ADL stated that 74% of the 372 people killed in extremist violence between 2007 and 2016 were at the hands of right-wing extremists. These are not just from a single event. I don't know why he brought up the Oklahoma City bombing so often, that was in 1995. What the ADL DOES state is that _in 2016 alone, right-wing extremists did not dominate the murder statistics, as was usual for the past 30 years._ 2016 was also a large year for non-violent right-wing extremism spurred on by the alt right. "Because extremist murder statistics are volatile and can vary considerably between any two given years, the relatively low numbers of deaths connected to right-wing extremists should not yet be taken as indicative of a trend, particularly given the high numbers in recent years. Similarly low numbers in 2017, however, might indicate some sort of shift." Aside from this being 2 years ago, the ADL also stated that white supremacist violence doubled in 2017. 2016 is probably going to end up being the odd one out for a while.
Okay nvm, I finished watching the video. He's just another idiot with a serious case of arrogance and a side of projection syndrome. I don't believe he has any experience or education in law besides overhearing some lawyer-speak while filing forms alphabetically in an office, which makes it doubly frustrating that he "has a bone to pick with that judge." Prove you're not a total jackass and pass the fucking bar, bro. We will literally pay for it.
The debate started out surprisingly well. He seemed smart and honest. Then he started changing the subject and refusing to answer questions. People need to start realizing that it improves your credibility when you admit when you’re wrong.
The latter part of this debate. 1. Claim Steele dossier is the same as Alex Jones claiming the existence of Pizza Gate because of legality 2. Shows statute to prove point *Gets shown "legally" he's wrong* 3. Claims double standard *Gets told it's not a double standard* 4. ?????????? 5. Repeat Step 1
@@tarisco614 whether or not the court made a good decision has nothing to do with the distinction being discussed. The distinction is that Trump’s tweets are ruled as official government statements that all Americans have a right to read. This doesn’t mean that Twitter all of a sudden becomes a public platform, it means that the president is treated differently than the average person, because having access to the presidents statements is a key part of a functioning democracy. Now you may disagree with that ruling, but the point is that in that ruling there is special circumstances surrounding Trump because of his position in government.
@@ogolthorp His special circumstance is that certain powerful groups don't like him. When it comes to fresh speech, we hear "Who cares if the internet is the new public square? We have to give these predatory billionaire technocrats more power!" but unsurprisingly when it's something that little special group wants, then nothing else matters.
You really suffered in this one but it actually went really well I think. You managed to nail him down on something and got him to clearly state the essence of his ridiculous belief: "You can be liable for defamation if you report that someone said something, that something is a lie, and you know it to be a lie". He later walked it back and switched to "it's Steele not Buzzfeed" but at that point he just fell apart. Also, he actually conceded his outrageous claim on the housing crisis at the end. Good job, this was painful to watch but also pretty good.
No, he says he has an experience as a paralegal, then later when an actual lawyer came on he switched it to having worked in New York as a lawyer for the last decade.
Thomas Reynolds This was an epic one. I actually had to pause the game I was playing so I could just sit there and listen to it. It was amplified by his heroic effort to not blow up the whole time
As soon as they got into defamation, I got physically sick. That guy's stupidity literally made me sick to my stomach. I have to believe, for my own sanity, that he stuck with his stance out of pride and not because he believed it himself.
That moron lost me when he started saying conflating Twitter bans with government incarceration. Clearly one of those subhuman POS that don't understand the first amendment protects people from government retaliation, not company TOS.
The massive component that Destiny's opponent is missing here is that the Sean Spicer when he was Press Secretary said that Trump's tweets are official POTUS messages; the judge isn't just making shit up from no where, the White House itself made that declaration without understanding the other implications that are now being enforced.
>centrist btw >everything Trump says/does is good >just want a discussion with every alt-right/nazi person on the internet >akshully support a lot of left wing policies btw >ethno-states are okay >black people should just get married obviously
TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Preview 1:20 Introductions 3:37 Where should free speech begin and end? 6:05 “People are stupid and I’ve lost my appreciation for democracy.” 8:03 Left-wing violence vs right-wing violence (part 1) 10:55 Trump’s free speech rights on social media (part 1) 12:45 Legal vs moral arguments 14:47 Contradictions on social media being a public or private space (part 1) 17:45 Left-wing violence vs right-wing violence (part 2) 22:21 Does censorship mitigate political violence? 28:15 Trump’s free speech rights on social media (part 2) 30:59 Contradictions on social media being a public or private space (part 2) 41:14 Past ruling: S.E.C. vs Dorozhko 43:13 Past ruling: Knight First Amendment Institute vs Donald J. Trump 45:18 The danger of misinformation and should it be deplatformed 50:31 Was the Steele dossier published by Buzzfeed misinformation? 53:59 Trump’s conflicts of interests 55:45 Has Trump been an effective president? 58:07 “Jesus, please help me.” 👏 1:03:52 Obama is responsible for the housing crisis??? 1:05:42 Should Trump get credit for economic gains? Is there a double standard? 1:10:05 “You keep pivoting!” 1:10:50 Should social media be publicly subsidized? Should we support deplatforming? The nirvana fallacy? 1:15:49 Misinformation from Alex Jones and comparisons to the Steele dossier 1:23:17 Destiny’s lawyer friend, Kaelik88, joins the call 1:24:08 How we prove things in our legal system 1:26:49 Proving that Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich knew their claims about Pizzagate were false 1:32:56 Claiming x is true vs reporting that someone else claims that x is true 2:00:49 “I legitimately fucking hate you.” 2:00:56 Rehashing claims about Obama and the housing crisis 2:02:50 Return to claims of a double standard between Alex Jones and Buzzfeed. 2:06:12 Taking the bar exam
@@skepticmoderate5790 No, 6 mins in and he already advocated for violence, then went into stats about how bad violence is. LOL He's disingenuous as fuck.
This guy said he was a paralegal for 2 years and he could pass the bar with flying colors, yet law school in the US takes (usually) 3 years. That was an amazing and wide ranging legal education he received.
oh god, this guy was a legal assistant and _actually_ said, “I practiced law in New York for ten years.” as a paralegal this makes me L I V I D ... you can’t say that kind of shit, you simply can _not_ say that lmao
Take it easy man. I was a janitor at a hospital from 2012-2020. I am sure you have your accomplishments as well! Just as he practiced law for 10 years and I practiced medicine for 8 years. It’s all good! /s
@@cscsontren5666 that’s actually a really apt analogy. I was a legal assistant when I started at 17 and it’s like a glorified secretary-answering calls, processing mail, scheduling appointments… I’m thinking, “yea bro you totally practiced law, I’m sure you’d help me out of a jam just like an attorney would!” LOL - I forgot about this comment, I’m glad you replied.
I honestly feel like this guy realized his arguments were full of shit when Destiny pinned him down on them. However, he was too insecure/egotistical to admit he was wrong/mistaken so he doubled down and tried to semantic his way out in a vain attempt to save face.
The ruling was that an elected official cannot prevent a citizen from viewing their social media posts, not that a social media site cannot ban an elected official's account. These are 2 completely different things. One is saying that someonw holding public office cannot prevent someone from seeing their speech (which would be a form of government censorship) and the other is saying that a private company cannot enforce their own community guidelines. The fact that this guy can't disentangle these concepts is a bit concerning
@@mikebaker2436 the other thing that this dude doing was throwing out that he was a paralegal for like a year so he knows better than anyone about this. Listening to these types of people have pushed me farther left both socially and economically
gobilygoop Me too. Not that people like this exist on the right but that it is most of them. I honestly don't think he did it out of arrogance but as a defense in the face of losing the argument. It was like he was trying to remind himself how good he is or scare off a threat... like a puffer fish. To me that is worse... that you are incapable of admitting that you are wrong.
@@mikebaker2436 that seems to be the biggest marker of someone being right leaning. To me it seems like people that lean left are much more open to being wrong and learning things than right leaning people who seem to think they know everything about everything
@@@gobilygoop ....again, they exist on the left (especially the radical and authoritarian lefts), but they are marginalized and fewer in numbers. On the right in the US, anti-intellectialism is such a point of pride it is practically in the platform.
Is there difference between attacking someone's character versus their credibility? The difference between saying someone is rude versus saying someone has a record of misunderstanding comments?
Attacking credibility can be an insult but, if it's used as a way to say the judges decision was wrong or invalid, then it's an ad hom. The guy brought it up as some kind of "gotcha".
PLEASE GOD PLEASE... Let Trump sue for the dossier! Please let Trump provide evidence that the dossier is fake -- it would be perfect. But seriously.. I don't think Trump's _that_ stupid. He wasn't stupid enough to release his taxes, he wouldn't be stupid enough to try suing for slander against the dossier.
Omg... I had such high hopes for a reasonable and articulate discussion partner. It started off so well. Makes some of the discussions that I've had seen quite rational. I don't know how you do it with out losing your sanity Destiny. Hang with it b/c it's much appreciated out here, and don't give up just yet on the grand American experiment.
59:18 Not that it matters, but looked up the numbers and way more latino voters supported bush than trump in similar time frames. Gallup doesnt go back before bush jr. though and one could argue 9/11 tainted data. Regardless, dudes wrong.
I’m an attorney and listening to this kid larp as a lawyer was painful. The worst is his repeatedly flexing two of the most basic legal sources available. Blacks law dictionary is just a dictionary, it’s not authoritative. It is palpable how pleased with himself he is when citing “Cornell.” What he’s citing is an online aggregation of the US code that happens to be hosted on Cornell’s website. Its just statutes, but he’s like Andy Bernard with how smugly he unnecessarily name drops. He’s wrong about everything in this conversation, for someone so illiterate he sure is confident in his legal prowess.
1:49:52 The moment the dude realized he was wrong and attempted to shift the conversation over to. "Oh no, I was talking about Steele all along, not BuzzFeed."
Fanastic, Destiny. Anyone could see that this guy was in over his head. Listen to the way he tries to dodge every superior point you made. Silly of him to even try to step to you, dawg. I personally would never even try. Firstly, he made your argument like 4x. You literally couldn't finish your statements. Childlike, that's the only way I could describe him. He didn't even get your point about public vs private space. Right? I swear dude, how you put up with it, I'll never know. Steve. I'm lookin' out for you dawg. Take some time. Enjoy yo' lyfe. I think we all need to take a breath now and again. Any other streamer would be dead from stress. Never seen a brother like you put it down like dat. Great vid man. One of the best. Destiny, u bae
People like this are the worst, they say 'oh I'm very Liberal compared to my Conservative friends' meanwhile you know he's just riding the pipeline into full blown alt right he's just too cowardly to admit it.
I actually understood what this guy is trying to say (I think). isn't he just saying that alex jones can't be sued for defamation because his statements are by definition untrue as part of his character on his entertainment show? I don't know if that would hold up but honestly I get his point. and he's also saying the complete opposite of the coin too, where you could make the argument that journalists reporting on the false story could actually be sued for knowingly publishing the false information, even though they're not saying it's true. I don't know if this could ever happen though. Destiny was trying so hard to say this is wrong because the statement the journalists are making is that someone said something, not about the contents of whatever that person said. so to prove the journalist's statement false, you would need to prove that they knowingly reported that alex jones said something when he didn't. because alex jones did say that thing, they can't prove the journalists wrong, so no defamation lawsuit. hilarious
I think it was more that it's far easier to point out Alex Jones for defamation than the Buzzfeed reporters and despite the cop out that Alex Jones is a "character", many people still blindly believe his lies which hurts public discourse
Tries to get Destiny on a slippery slope, ends up making a black and white, and he just won't cede any ground. Another example of how a well-spoken person can be incredibly vapid!
This guy early on in the debate was saying that much of the right-wing violence was committed in response to some other type of extremism. Later on, he says that it doesn't matter if left-wing violence was committed in response to right-wing violence...
This guy is legendarily confused. The point about distinguishing between reporting "X is true" and "Source A CLAIMS X is true" went straight over his head.
Wow dude is incredibly slow. Across the board in every single position he held. Incredible how one person can be so wrong about so many things on so many levels.
This came prepared to this debate like he was preparing for a high school paper at the eleventh hour. He googled some things that confirmed his bias after he scimmed them, and then thought to debate a lawyer on law. I cant even. This is so ridiculous that it cant be real. This is fake news.
I want to say, i thought i was a dumb person. I hear all these big words and fast talking people and i wish i could do that. But after watching your videos i feel so much smarter than all these people. How do these people not follow your arguments.
Destiny does not use big words. He talks to his audience in a way that allows EVERYONE to know exactly what he is talking about. That is important when it comes to things like these and teaching in general. Talk to everyone in the room in a way that everyone can understand.
@@chrism8311 Back in the day he used to use more 3-4 syllable words. Nowadays he has dumbed his language way down. Granted he never used words I assumed were complicated but I read a lot as a kid and am a college student so I am far off from all these dumbsh't republicans he talks to.
I am 50/50 on this guy being a well-executed troll vs an earnest debater. He screws up his definitions of words repeatedly and in the face of being corrected multiple times. He also sounds too young to have been "practicing law for over a decade", and I'm surprised nobody called him on that outside of saying he's obviously lacking in knowledge about law. He uses jurisprudence completely wrong several times. Honestly just sounds like a college student fucking around.
An analogy needs to be made to traditional public forums. If the president is meeting with people in a town square, or giving a speech in a local park, if a citizen acts brazenly and constantly yells/interrupts and causes a huge disturbance, no one seems to have a problem with the secret service removing that person. That's the Twitter equivalent of blocking a troll whose goal is to rile people up rather than having dialogue.
He sounds like the kind of guy who would choose to defend himself in court and end up getting himself life in prison for littering.
He claimed that as a former paralegal he could pass the bar exam and that "anyone can take it" without going through law school, which is false: www.jdadvising.com/can-take-bar-exam-before-i-graduate-law-school/
this comment.. I will use it to butter my toasts.. thank you my friend
It’s the damn ego that I can’t stand! I would have at least respected him if he had of just conceded the point ... but these fucking maga cunts can’t let go of their egos.
@@wyattoutlaw2370 He started out pretty well to, I was thinking "Oh hey Destiny might actually get some good back and forth debating" aaaaand then it devolved into Destiny+lawyer buddy explaining very basic things to a toddler.
Hahahahahah touche
When Obama became president, he used pentagons time machine to travel back in time and caused the financial crisis of 2007.
You're forgetting to mention that the only real collusion is that OBAMA HELPED ZOMBIE MOON HITLER BY SENDING SUPPLIES TO THE NAZI MOON BASE!
Heinz Guderian no such thing as Nazi moon cuz there ain’t no space cuz there ain’t no globe earth
libtards ALWAYS deny this claim
He is also responsible for the 30 year war. As well as the extinction of the dinosaurs. And the Holocaust of course.
LMAO
So Destiny, I see since you have failed to falsify the existence of the Christian god, you have finally accepted him into your life.
zillafire101 jesus, pray allah
No one can falsify the Christian god, SIR.
Thank you for not using a capital h. You must be an atheist as well. I salute you good sir.
Samuel Meyer Uhhh. I'm sorry to disappoint, but I'm Catholic.
@@zillafire101 I won't hold it against you.
Free speech guy: "I have studies, but I'm going to give you this excerpt from a blogpost out of context instead"
Holy shit, what a snake
He's libertarian
Ya know.... I used to be tough on Destiny for being so demeaning in debates.... but I'm starting to get it. This is unbelievable stupidity. Obama is to blame for the housing crash? A reporter is guilty of defamation for quoting someone saying something? The constant topic jumps? This is insane.
EDIT: Oh my god stop using "misnomer" like that
Man, hearing these Americans talk like Europe is in flames is so mind numbing...
It's California that's in flames :(
@@peffiSC2source hope he comes through Italy!
Except they kinda are, with the bulletproof backpacks n shit
Greece and Sweden was literally in flames, but well I don't think that's what they're referring to
Oh, there were big forest fires in Sweden too? It happens all the time in Greece
1. Jack said "x"
2. Jill said "Jack said x"
Jack made a false statment if "x" is untrue
Jill made a false statement if "Jack said x" is untrue. This has nothing to do with whether or not x is true. It has to do with whether or not Jack actually said x.
How? How is this a hard thing to understand?
Feel like the guy is purposefully dense. Especially after his Obama argument
@@weirdo3116 disingenuous AF
What if Jill says "X" has been revealed based on what Jack said? And Jack and Jill fucking hated Greg and what Jack said made Greg look like a dick?
Benjamin Jordan that is the point. Jill can not be sued for defamation
@@nandi.handrews1502 What if Jill knew what Jack said was untrue?
Truly one of the greatest legal minds of our age. Destiny had no chance.
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Destiny got destroyed in this debate.
BTW Destiny is a girl's name
"The housing crisis was because of Obama."
When did it happen?
"2007"
When did Obama become president?
"2008... Wait. Why can't I say that something that happened before Obama is his fault but I can't say that something that happened before Trump is to his credit."
WOW
*sees thumbnail of Distresstiny*
Excellent.
Distresstiny is my new favorite word.
Hopefully regrestiny doesn't get depresstiny
Guys, give it a restiny...
JDExists i too want to be apart of this meme history but could not think of anything so here i write my name
Destiny got destroyed in this debate
Steven looks good in pink.
He does
They don't call him Sextiny for nothing.
i refreshed to read the comments after listening to this, and im blown away i got this many likes lol. I actually think he looks nice in that shirt too. I mean look at 00:09, looking good.
Eelysabeth W Destiny be looking like Giorno.
Destiny looks good*, period.
Why am I watching this?
Why do I hurt myself like this?
My head is pain.
The new Destiny died in the last 20 minutes of this debate. R.I.P.
The Gamer Who Does Life hey, that's a new record. He is growing stronger
I'm actually quite proud of him. I would have told this guy to fuck off and kicked him out as soon as he said Obama was the sole reason for the housing crisis.
Braindead fucks like him do not deserve a voice in politics.
Jesus, this dude. First he claimed to be a paralegal. Then he claim d he practiced law for ten years.
As an actual attorney this pisses me off. It’s actually a crime to pretend to be an attorneys. Only lawyers “practice law”. Paralegals most certainly do not.
"How long have you been a nurse?"
"Oh, I've been practicing medicine for years."
"I used to be congressman's aid. I held office for two terms."
This is what I imagine the majority of people that vote are actually like, even on the left. I completely agree with Destiny's stance on our democratic system because of that.
@@MMMHOTCHEEZE our system is Republic not democracy. Google it
@@spacemanshan It's a democratic republic, GOOGLE THAT.
@@spacemanshan He never stated a republic was synonymous with a democracy, google 'basic comprehension of English'
Dunning Kruger is a real thing boys. Pass your BAR exam
0:32-0:51 vs 2:00:38
s o l i d m i n d
Hahahaha simply beautiful
beautiful
Extraordinary
*The duality of man*
free speech? how about free KFC
I prefer Church's.
@@doctordoom1851 Church's is so much better than KFC... but Duffins rules them all.
That's the only way I'd ever eat KFC. I'm not paying for that garbo
Am I right!
i've been kfcnutrients since 2008 my guy
Oooh, this guy started out presenting himself as a fan arguing in good faith and destiny unmasked him. He was alt righter with an agenda
As soon as he sucked up to Destiny calling him a reasonable part of the left I saw right through him.
@@lizdevine2525 I don't think it should be any different than any public square. Hate speech is free speech and false speech is free speech. Shouldn't we settle this the way we always do? Let them talk and we can counter their bs with logic and reason. I'm not for false or hate speech being deplatformed, but I also recognize a private company's right to do what they like. Does it come to a point where it dominates public discourse so much that government steps in to regulate? That's why I would prefer the company's to do it on their own.
@@michaelbernard1041 I agree but that's not what they were talking about, they weren't talking about hate speech they were talking about deliberate spread of misinformation by public figures. Granted I hate censorship and I can see how that can end up a disaster but I think destiny was just coming from a rational take a lot of people have and it's much harder to combat lies that take the form of news or data than it is to combat an irrational hateful opinion people have
"Based on the Cato Institute's findings"
Yeah... nope. That enough told me this was going to be a shitshow; he's citing a right wing libertarian think thank as an unbiased source. Fail.
I don't know if it qualifies as ad hominem but I take everything from the cato institute with a bucket of salt
I was very surprised Destiny didn't slam him on that from the get go... does he not know about the CATO institute?
Zachary Hartkop To be honest I didn’t really comprehend he even said ‘CATO institute’ until someone in chat mentioned it. Like the pronunciation of CATO institute and what it is didn’t cross until I read it.
And if he had cited Cato data on immigration, would you dismiss it immediately?
From what I’ve seen Cato seems to be a lot more reliable than other right wing think tanks
*Caller wants to be Ben Shapiro sooooo bad*
Which is a pretty low bar
Imagine aspiring to be Ben Shapiro lmao
@@jacobjohansen6007 aspiring and failing
40mins in and still waiting for the debate to start and for his weird monologue about all his sources and positions to end
I regret getting to the actual debate part.....
AVagueGamer lol
You did good destiny, you are getting mentally and emotionally stronger
Where are the citations? He seems to quote something from the ADL in 2016 suggesting left/right violence is basically equal.
The thing I found from the ADL stated that 74% of the 372 people killed in extremist violence between 2007 and 2016 were at the hands of right-wing extremists. These are not just from a single event. I don't know why he brought up the Oklahoma City bombing so often, that was in 1995.
What the ADL DOES state is that _in 2016 alone, right-wing extremists did not dominate the murder statistics, as was usual for the past 30 years._
2016 was also a large year for non-violent right-wing extremism spurred on by the alt right. "Because extremist murder statistics are volatile and can vary considerably between any two given years, the relatively low numbers of deaths connected to right-wing extremists should not yet be taken as indicative of a trend, particularly given the high numbers in recent years. Similarly low numbers in 2017, however, might indicate some sort of shift."
Aside from this being 2 years ago, the ADL also stated that white supremacist violence doubled in 2017. 2016 is probably going to end up being the odd one out for a while.
Okay nvm, I finished watching the video. He's just another idiot with a serious case of arrogance and a side of projection syndrome. I don't believe he has any experience or education in law besides overhearing some lawyer-speak while filing forms alphabetically in an office, which makes it doubly frustrating that he "has a bone to pick with that judge."
Prove you're not a total jackass and pass the fucking bar, bro. We will literally pay for it.
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ADL isnt a good source at all
The debate started out surprisingly well. He seemed smart and honest. Then he started changing the subject and refusing to answer questions.
People need to start realizing that it improves your credibility when you admit when you’re wrong.
The latter part of this debate.
1. Claim Steele dossier is the same as Alex Jones claiming the existence of Pizza Gate because of legality
2. Shows statute to prove point
*Gets shown "legally" he's wrong*
3. Claims double standard
*Gets told it's not a double standard*
4. ??????????
5. Repeat Step 1
Oh Dear...
6. Profit?
There was this wolf dude that wanted to debate Destiny on Pizzagate. And another that called Destiny a pedo
Do you finally falsify the Christian God here failstiny
Saoirse Ronan it's a meme buddy
Saoirse Ronan but yes I like the way you have phrased that
biggest boi on the block they're both pretty funny ;)
biggest boi on the block Sky 🌧 Daddy 🤤
LOL ☁️🤤
This one is a hall of famer. The progression into madness is just incredible. Good shit.
I love a slow-burn psychological horror.
Tfw you don’t like trump but adamantly defend his presidency🤔
How is he defending his presidency
"leftist"
+daniel junior At around an hour the topic was around the guest dude defending Trump's presidency.
>akshully I'm a liberal and believe in liberal policies
>but SJWs told me to use a certain pronoun and that makes me mad
Did you watch the debate?
Damn destiny, you are getting much better at keeping cool and you were already way more patient than the average person
How is the guy destiny debating not get that the tweets can't be censored cause they're technically official white house documents?
Yeah, why would he question an activist court that gets overturned on a regular basis? Legislate from the bench!!!
The same way that he doesn't understand how burden of proof in libel cases work.
@@tarisco614 whether or not the court made a good decision has nothing to do with the distinction being discussed.
The distinction is that Trump’s tweets are ruled as official government statements that all Americans have a right to read. This doesn’t mean that Twitter all of a sudden becomes a public platform, it means that the president is treated differently than the average person, because having access to the presidents statements is a key part of a functioning democracy.
Now you may disagree with that ruling, but the point is that in that ruling there is special circumstances surrounding Trump because of his position in government.
@@ogolthorp His special circumstance is that certain powerful groups don't like him. When it comes to fresh speech, we hear "Who cares if the internet is the new public square? We have to give these predatory billionaire technocrats more power!" but unsurprisingly when it's something that little special group wants, then nothing else matters.
@@tarisco614 DeEp StAtE
Oh shit... I am breaking the law every time I quote Trump's lies NotLikeThis
This conversation is a masterpiece, for anyone getting bored halfway through, stick with it. The end is so worth.
You really suffered in this one but it actually went really well I think. You managed to nail him down on something and got him to clearly state the essence of his ridiculous belief: "You can be liable for defamation if you report that someone said something, that something is a lie, and you know it to be a lie". He later walked it back and switched to "it's Steele not Buzzfeed" but at that point he just fell apart. Also, he actually conceded his outrageous claim on the housing crisis at the end. Good job, this was painful to watch but also pretty good.
The guy claims he’s a lawyer for 2 years (he later claims he’s a paralegal) even though he never took the BAR exam. Lol
No, he says he has an experience as a paralegal, then later when an actual lawyer came on he switched it to having worked in New York as a lawyer for the last decade.
Lmao "I used to be a paralegal"
Isn't being a paralegal at least a better credential than an assistant manager at a Denny's, or whatever destiny used to do?
This got to be spicy, I do not think I can keep my mental health after this video
holy shit at 1:05:00 it looks like he's having a heart attack lol
I need destiny meltdown timestamps
1:49:00 is the best one.
2:00:34 is pretty respectable, too
Thomas Reynolds This was an epic one. I actually had to pause the game I was playing so I could just sit there and listen to it. It was amplified by his heroic effort to not blow up the whole time
Galt's Gooch there's some irony in the fact that he misuses the word misnomer
it is real
Destiny looking like a bearded timmy turner.
JustAMetalHead destiny is an below average sized kid, that no one understands...
I like the beard
Cannot unsee
This hurt me. The other guy was painful to listen to. Can I sue everyone?
Hi!
Well well well look who it is.
Lmao you here
lmao
As soon as they got into defamation, I got physically sick. That guy's stupidity literally made me sick to my stomach. I have to believe, for my own sanity, that he stuck with his stance out of pride and not because he believed it himself.
That moron lost me when he started saying conflating Twitter bans with government incarceration. Clearly one of those subhuman POS that don't understand the first amendment protects people from government retaliation, not company TOS.
The massive component that Destiny's opponent is missing here is that the Sean Spicer when he was Press Secretary said that Trump's tweets are official POTUS messages; the judge isn't just making shit up from no where, the White House itself made that declaration without understanding the other implications that are now being enforced.
Both sides hit em up with that radical centrist enlightened Sargon skepticism
@@tarisco614 I believe the correct answer is somewhere in the middle
Well one side is fascism and the other side is logic and reason. THE TRUTH MUST BE IN THE MIDDLE BOYS
>centrist btw
>everything Trump says/does is good
>just want a discussion with every alt-right/nazi person on the internet
>akshully support a lot of left wing policies btw
>ethno-states are okay
>black people should just get married obviously
Do you think pizzagate is real?
Well. Yes.
FML.
where did he say that? i didnt here him say that in the debate although he sure as shit sounded like it
@@Dontreadthis0 1 hour 17 minutes, he heavily hints at him believing it, and says he has proof from wiki leaks emails
It is real. WikiLeaks.
And than Epstein happened
"If Trump says something that's false, and a news organization knows what he said is false and they report that he said it, that's illegal."
LMAO WUT
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Preview
1:20 Introductions
3:37 Where should free speech begin and end?
6:05 “People are stupid and I’ve lost my appreciation for democracy.”
8:03 Left-wing violence vs right-wing violence (part 1)
10:55 Trump’s free speech rights on social media (part 1)
12:45 Legal vs moral arguments
14:47 Contradictions on social media being a public or private space (part 1)
17:45 Left-wing violence vs right-wing violence (part 2)
22:21 Does censorship mitigate political violence?
28:15 Trump’s free speech rights on social media (part 2)
30:59 Contradictions on social media being a public or private space (part 2)
41:14 Past ruling: S.E.C. vs Dorozhko
43:13 Past ruling: Knight First Amendment Institute vs Donald J. Trump
45:18 The danger of misinformation and should it be deplatformed
50:31 Was the Steele dossier published by Buzzfeed misinformation?
53:59 Trump’s conflicts of interests
55:45 Has Trump been an effective president?
58:07 “Jesus, please help me.” 👏
1:03:52 Obama is responsible for the housing crisis???
1:05:42 Should Trump get credit for economic gains? Is there a double standard?
1:10:05 “You keep pivoting!”
1:10:50 Should social media be publicly subsidized? Should we support deplatforming? The nirvana fallacy?
1:15:49 Misinformation from Alex Jones and comparisons to the Steele dossier
1:23:17 Destiny’s lawyer friend, Kaelik88, joins the call
1:24:08 How we prove things in our legal system
1:26:49 Proving that Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich knew their claims about Pizzagate were false
1:32:56 Claiming x is true vs reporting that someone else claims that x is true
2:00:49 “I legitimately fucking hate you.”
2:00:56 Rehashing claims about Obama and the housing crisis
2:02:50 Return to claims of a double standard between Alex Jones and Buzzfeed.
2:06:12 Taking the bar exam
thanks!
Doing the lord’s work 4 years after the video came out, you the homie
The CATO institute lol
Alan Dershowitz LOL
This guy was very disingenuous
I think he's just a dumbass.
@@skepticmoderate5790
No, 6 mins in and he already advocated for violence, then went into stats about how bad violence is. LOL He's disingenuous as fuck.
This guy said he was a paralegal for 2 years and he could pass the bar with flying colors, yet law school in the US takes (usually) 3 years. That was an amazing and wide ranging legal education he received.
STRAP IN, BOIS, WE'RE GOING WHERE NO AUTIST HAS TRAVELED BEFORE
It really wasn't that bad chill out.
@@zippidisx2749 it got pretty fucking bad.
Angel Flores But you’d still need to find proof of falsity for that
This dude said going back to 1965 but clearly doesn't count lynchings, bombing, beatings, false arrests as political violence
oh god, this guy was a legal assistant and _actually_ said, “I practiced law in New York for ten years.” as a paralegal this makes me L I V I D ... you can’t say that kind of shit, you simply can _not_ say that lmao
Take it easy man. I was a janitor at a hospital from 2012-2020. I am sure you have your accomplishments as well! Just as he practiced law for 10 years and I practiced medicine for 8 years. It’s all good!
/s
@@cscsontren5666 that’s actually a really apt analogy. I was a legal assistant when I started at 17 and it’s like a glorified secretary-answering calls, processing mail, scheduling appointments… I’m thinking, “yea bro you totally practiced law, I’m sure you’d help me out of a jam just like an attorney would!” LOL - I forgot about this comment, I’m glad you replied.
@@veespa_ Dude was the lawyer in movies that studied at a library for 1 week straight to find a loophole.
this guy was jumping around 30 different topics, about 90% of the time I had absolutely no idea what he was talking about
LMAO “ARE YOU GASLIGHTING ME?”
the defamation argument just had one too many levels of recursion for this guy to process
I honestly feel like this guy realized his arguments were full of shit when Destiny pinned him down on them. However, he was too insecure/egotistical to admit he was wrong/mistaken so he doubled down and tried to semantic his way out in a vain attempt to save face.
The ruling was that an elected official cannot prevent a citizen from viewing their social media posts, not that a social media site cannot ban an elected official's account. These are 2 completely different things. One is saying that someonw holding public office cannot prevent someone from seeing their speech (which would be a form of government censorship) and the other is saying that a private company cannot enforce their own community guidelines. The fact that this guy can't disentangle these concepts is a bit concerning
Yup. Who knew at the outset that this would prove to be one of many easy distinctions he just can't see.
@@mikebaker2436 the other thing that this dude doing was throwing out that he was a paralegal for like a year so he knows better than anyone about this. Listening to these types of people have pushed me farther left both socially and economically
gobilygoop Me too. Not that people like this exist on the right but that it is most of them.
I honestly don't think he did it out of arrogance but as a defense in the face of losing the argument. It was like he was trying to remind himself how good he is or scare off a threat... like a puffer fish.
To me that is worse... that you are incapable of admitting that you are wrong.
@@mikebaker2436 that seems to be the biggest marker of someone being right leaning. To me it seems like people that lean left are much more open to being wrong and learning things than right leaning people who seem to think they know everything about everything
@@@gobilygoop ....again, they exist on the left (especially the radical and authoritarian lefts), but they are marginalized and fewer in numbers. On the right in the US, anti-intellectialism is such a point of pride it is practically in the platform.
Him bringing up credibility is just pure ad hominem. It's just attacking the person instead of the argument.
Is there difference between attacking someone's character versus their credibility? The difference between saying someone is rude versus saying someone has a record of misunderstanding comments?
Attacking credibility can be an insult but, if it's used as a way to say the judges decision was wrong or invalid, then it's an ad hom. The guy brought it up as some kind of "gotcha".
I'm GoiNG tO bE VeRY LeGaL hERE.
Honestly this is the simplest concept of all time and his level of obtuseness here is historic.
This guy is too caught up in his perceived "gotchas" and refuses to do any critical introspection.
That you watched this and didnt get that hes being completely disingenuous worries me
1:49:15 --> the point where Destiny finally pops. I am proud of him, he held it together through a LOT of dumb shit...
47:00
"P sure Alex Jones doesn't believe he was telling lies lol"
Meanwhile, he and his lawyers just admitted they made all that shit up lmao
My 1 time bonus of 400 dollars at Walmart changed my life. I’ve been there 13 years. They removed a lot of co manager positions at the same time.
Ooo a fresh one. This was legendary live XD
PLEASE GOD PLEASE... Let Trump sue for the dossier! Please let Trump provide evidence that the dossier is fake -- it would be perfect.
But seriously.. I don't think Trump's _that_ stupid. He wasn't stupid enough to release his taxes, he wouldn't be stupid enough to try suing for slander against the dossier.
@@maverick9708 Yep
Omg... I had such high hopes for a reasonable and articulate discussion partner. It started off so well. Makes some of the discussions that I've had seen quite rational. I don't know how you do it with out losing your sanity Destiny. Hang with it b/c it's much appreciated out here, and don't give up just yet on the grand American experiment.
*destiny is praying, Eats a brownie*
So I am guessing you have something extra special in that brownie
He got a mouthful of Jesus my dude.
Lachy Roberts 😂
If bread is the body of jesus, are brownies his poops
holyfingshit glad to see someone asking the important questions
Probably cyanide considering the type of people he subjects himself to on the internet.
59:18 Not that it matters, but looked up the numbers and way more latino voters supported bush than trump in similar time frames. Gallup doesnt go back before bush jr. though and one could argue 9/11 tainted data. Regardless, dudes wrong.
I’m an attorney and listening to this kid larp as a lawyer was painful. The worst is his repeatedly flexing two of the most basic legal sources available. Blacks law dictionary is just a dictionary, it’s not authoritative. It is palpable how pleased with himself he is when citing “Cornell.” What he’s citing is an online aggregation of the US code that happens to be hosted on Cornell’s website. Its just statutes, but he’s like Andy Bernard with how smugly he unnecessarily name drops.
He’s wrong about everything in this conversation, for someone so illiterate he sure is confident in his legal prowess.
Nice shirt Destiny
The pink is convenient so that when I am fast forwarding through the cancer I know to stop when his face matches his shirt. 😋
Why is it edited what are you hiding destiny
Gee I wonder why someone would edit a video.
@@user-pd3el2lo3x its a joke lol
It was edited to insert the CGI t-shirt, the original colour was blue
1:49:52 The moment the dude realized he was wrong and attempted to shift the conversation over to. "Oh no, I was talking about Steele all along, not BuzzFeed."
"PERSONAL MALCONTENTIONS." Seconds into the debate and I have already lost all confidence in this guy.
Fanastic, Destiny.
Anyone could see that this guy was in over his head.
Listen to the way he tries to dodge every superior point you made.
Silly of him to even try to step to you, dawg.
I personally would never even try.
Firstly, he made your argument like 4x.
You literally couldn't finish your statements.
Childlike, that's the only way I could describe him.
He didn't even get your point about public vs private space.
Right?
I swear dude, how you put up with it, I'll never know.
Steve. I'm lookin' out for you dawg.
Take some time. Enjoy yo' lyfe.
I think we all need to take a breath now and again.
Any other streamer would be dead from stress.
Never seen a brother like you put it down like dat.
Great vid man.
One of the best.
Destiny, u bae
With every debate I become a little more ok with political violence
People like this are the worst, they say 'oh I'm very Liberal compared to my Conservative friends' meanwhile you know he's just riding the pipeline into full blown alt right he's just too cowardly to admit it.
That guy started off kind of bad and ended way worse :/ smh. Destiny has so much patience :p
Everyone is commentating on the debate... I'm over here getting triggered he played poe for 2 hours and didnt get to the Brutus fight... :P
1:49:05 Destiny's tongue may need surgery after that one
I actually understood what this guy is trying to say (I think). isn't he just saying that alex jones can't be sued for defamation because his statements are by definition untrue as part of his character on his entertainment show? I don't know if that would hold up but honestly I get his point.
and he's also saying the complete opposite of the coin too, where you could make the argument that journalists reporting on the false story could actually be sued for knowingly publishing the false information, even though they're not saying it's true. I don't know if this could ever happen though. Destiny was trying so hard to say this is wrong because the statement the journalists are making is that someone said something, not about the contents of whatever that person said. so to prove the journalist's statement false, you would need to prove that they knowingly reported that alex jones said something when he didn't. because alex jones did say that thing, they can't prove the journalists wrong, so no defamation lawsuit.
hilarious
holy shit it's desinc
yo wtf
wassup desinc
I think it was more that it's far easier to point out Alex Jones for defamation than the Buzzfeed reporters and despite the cop out that Alex Jones is a "character", many people still blindly believe his lies which hurts public discourse
Judging by how the Alex Jones case turned out this guy was fucking clueless
Tries to get Destiny on a slippery slope, ends up making a black and white, and he just won't cede any ground. Another example of how a well-spoken person can be incredibly vapid!
Oh boy, here we go
This guy early on in the debate was saying that much of the right-wing violence was committed in response to some other type of extremism. Later on, he says that it doesn't matter if left-wing violence was committed in response to right-wing violence...
That pink has me shooketh
This guy is legendarily confused. The point about distinguishing between reporting "X is true" and "Source A CLAIMS X is true" went straight over his head.
the birth of Blesstiny
Wow dude is incredibly slow. Across the board in every single position he held. Incredible how one person can be so wrong about so many things on so many levels.
I wish I could forget.
This came prepared to this debate like he was preparing for a high school paper at the eleventh hour. He googled some things that confirmed his bias after he scimmed them, and then thought to debate a lawyer on law. I cant even. This is so ridiculous that it cant be real. This is fake news.
This is *EXACTLY* why Destiny said he didn't want to discuss law.
I want to say, i thought i was a dumb person. I hear all these big words and fast talking people and i wish i could do that.
But after watching your videos i feel so much smarter than all these people. How do these people not follow your arguments.
Destiny does not use big words. He talks to his audience in a way that allows EVERYONE to know exactly what he is talking about. That is important when it comes to things like these and teaching in general. Talk to everyone in the room in a way that everyone can understand.
@@chrism8311 Back in the day he used to use more 3-4 syllable words. Nowadays he has dumbed his language way down.
Granted he never used words I assumed were complicated but I read a lot as a kid and am a college student so I am far off from all these dumbsh't republicans he talks to.
Thank you for spending so much time on these debates , it saves us all so much time , thank you destiny
I'm being very legal here!
So legal! The most legal!
No, sir, you are not even being legal. Of all the descriptors I would choose... "legal" is not one of them.
switched tabs and thought I was listening to scrubs. Destiny sounding like JD up in here.
58:23 When the edibles kick in....
I am 50/50 on this guy being a well-executed troll vs an earnest debater. He screws up his definitions of words repeatedly and in the face of being corrected multiple times. He also sounds too young to have been "practicing law for over a decade", and I'm surprised nobody called him on that outside of saying he's obviously lacking in knowledge about law. He uses jurisprudence completely wrong several times. Honestly just sounds like a college student fucking around.
Destiny used 'praying'. It was highly ineffective
nope, no i wasn't.
"No thats not your point; thats my point!" Oh man had me in the fedal position laughing!
This guy tries waaaaaay to hard to sound intelligent. He literally said "If I may be so coy." lol, that's not a phrase.
An analogy needs to be made to traditional public forums. If the president is meeting with people in a town square, or giving a speech in a local park, if a citizen acts brazenly and constantly yells/interrupts and causes a huge disturbance, no one seems to have a problem with the secret service removing that person. That's the Twitter equivalent of blocking a troll whose goal is to rile people up rather than having dialogue.
Wow I’m in the intro :)