Neo Nazis be like: There's no conservative media companies out there fighting the mainstream narrative. Destiny be like: WDYM, do you guys even watch Daily Wire or at least tune in to it?!? Neo Nazis then be like: No, that doesn't count! Destiny then be like: Welp I guess there's no point in helping you guys and trying to bridge the gap if you're not even willing to hear out a slightly moderate republican when they try to offer solutions for societies problems.
It's funny to me how conservatives always try to pretend they aren't as far to the right as they are. I never see progressives trying to convince others they aren't progressive and far left
I think it's a testament to how far both sides of the political spectrum people en masse (especially in more online spheres) tend to end up on without even noticing it. They might actually not believe they are far right just as many far left people might not believe that either. If you surround yourself with certain people and opinions the extremities of your views kinda get normalized and you just don't notice it. That or/and they don't want the label plastered on them due to obvious negative associations.
Okay but I've never seen Rob host before. I've always been frustrated by him as a debater but he genuinely felt very bipartisan and fair. Like I got a feeling he genuinely cared about promoting a good conversation. Good on him.
Rob is far from the best moderator but I believe he does a great job at it usually, that's probably where he's the least insufferable to me (when he talks less)
@@uberneanderthal leftists do think iq is real, they just put greater emphasis on other metrics like eq. Depending on what definition you use though, neither me or Destiny are leftists; we’re liberals.
@@Boredasfuck29gender affirming surgeries are genital mutilation in the same way that appendectomies are colon mutilation. Though the process for determining eligibility for transitioning should be rigorous, it should not be off limits for minors who need it. Destiny has stated very similar things.
56:30 Rob's PERFECT restatement of Destiny's point let's me know that Zen is 100% bad faith. If Rob gets it that clearly, then Zen has no excuse and is clearly just trolling this panel.
Restating an idea does not mean he is capable of understanding it, let alone transfer what said idea means to the broader conversation. I think he is bad faith, but also to stupid to understand most overarching concepts.
As a Right winger, I have to say that right wingers on the panel were so bad faith, considering the Left side has Destiny and Lonerbox, two of the most good faith Leftists/Centrist I know, and Dylan is doing lots of good stuff on UA. How can someone blunder a debate/discussion with one of the most good faith Leftists so much? I felt bad for Left side basically wasting their time on those right side clowns.
Is there a good faith right winger you can point to? lol. The core issue is they just didn’t understand destiny and the panel madness took over. There’s clearly a distinction between the rittenhouse story and the Cambridge kids story. The more complicated the story, the less complete the picture, and the more room for legitimate interpretation there is. I think it’s perhaps the panelists see the gray as a rounding error and interpret it as hypocrisy. A trait I see far too often in these conservative debates. The worst was the sort of weird argument conflating social media and “the media” where destiny is hypocritical for calling his social media interlocutors bad faith but not MSM. I’m not sure I understand the connection other than he agrees social media influences people like a media outlet could. Problem is no one is gonna deny social media is stuffed full of lies. I also thought it was cute they tried to hide behind ToS over the dominion lawsuit. At this point it doesn’t even matter what the facts are about the election. To Fox New’s knowledge the story was fake. There’s direct evidence of Fox hosts lying on air now. This is the most clear instance of media corruption, an example of extreme bad faith, exactly what the conservative side was looking for. But they ignored it? Also if you want real proof tje election wasn’t stolen. Fox. With all the money and reason in the world to find the faintest evidence, failed. They wanted it to be real so bad they decided to simply lie about it. If there was anything to find, fox would have. That should be the end of the election lie story
As an ex conservative, these guys are in deep and it's pretty funny to look at it from a more progressive pov now. They really think they're the average conservative and not far right...
Everyone thinks they’re the most rational being on earth because I’m betting most people win arguments with themselves in their own heads and never really hear others out. I came from a far more conservative position than I am now and I realized a few years ago I was trained by my media consumption to not actually listen to people or information and engage, I was trained to listen for a pattern or a phrase or a word and create the rest of their argument (regardless of if what they’re saying deviated or not) in my head and regurgitate the approved talking points and shut my brain off. I probably still do that with certain things.
Hearing Zen Shapiro and Andrew try to vomit out some words and catch Destiny in a "GOTCHA" moment, all while totally missing the point, makes me wanna die.
andrew is the most condescending, smug, bad faith prick. honestly, i prefer fresh and fit over him or zen shapiro, they're so fucking interested in scoring points instead of actually engaging.
Andrew is not a very smart guy. He is completely not understanding the conversation and thinking he’s owning / dunking every time he pushes Destiny. It was really hard to watch as the entire point kept flying over his dumb head and he was so smug in his ignorance… brutal panel of poor engagement with the topic
Well it's definitely something to clutch, like what's your definition of that? Can you prove it? Because I would think the guy who got cucked and continued to be cucked, calling for the death of people who disagrees with him politically, sound more like a far-leftist
I mean if I was him I’d have instantly dropped the call. You just got absolutely thrashed by that one question. He looked like the girl who got asked by BJG to define woke. RIP
It is hilariously ironic when someone like these people talk about the media nowadays intentionally omitting facts. They always state "Well they need to tell the facts. They're hiding the facts intentionally". Then when they are asked about a topic they don't give off facts they give off opinion and anecdote. You are proving the point of how no one gives off facts. You literally do it right here hahahahaha.
@@juancorzo5081I assume you're complaining about Tucker Carlson, correct? You do know that he is the ONLY one in the media who currently has access to the entire footage, right? As in, the Republican Kevin McCarthy acted in direct disagreement with the chief of Capitol Police and with complete disregard for the privacy of every member of Congress, by handing the entire trove of official footage from Jan 6th to a SELF-PROCLAIMED opinion presenter who convinced a judge that his television program is SO far removed from truth and reality that no reasonable person would believe him to be an honest news journalist.
@@juancorzo5081 What false narrative? There was a violent insurrection. Just because eventually things calmed down after the violent insurrectionists won the battle and the capitol police successfully evacuated our congressmen and congresswomen doesn't invalidate that fact.
@@juancorzo5081 Typically, if it is used in some sort of legal preceding, it is withheld until it is presented in court or the trial has ended. Unfortunately, people don't care about the Bill of Rights when it comes to a speedy trial. It might be a couple more years before all of that comes out.
@@tempesttossed6029 "CNN claimed they were mostly peaceful while reporting from behind a building that was on fire. They were obviously mostly peaceful, but that's not the most important story, because there is literally a fire right behind you. Does that not convey an insane, malicious bias to you?"
@@Matt-dn5jc But they were not? Do you not remember the multiple city's in which there were riots, fires, and violence. Calling for the defunding of law enforcement over police incompetence. What was "peaceful" about burning down businesses and calling for the defunding of the enforcement group supposed to stop crime?
@@XXPHYSCO113 They key point is 'multiple' not most. The fact that the riots were major and led to tons in damage does not mean they made up the majority of the protests. There is no good excuse for not understanding this almost 3 years after the fact. There's so much to talk about with the damage the riots did, parroting this stupid blatantly false meme only hurts everyone else trying to talk about it.
These guys are a textbook example of "You can't reason someone out of a position they were not reasoned into." Destiny and Dylan were fighting an unwinnable battle.
Also these guys have online careers based around those positions, like Ben Shapiro is never gonna be accept a good argument for socialism or trans rights cuz his career would be ruined
@@Fabric_Hater"The corporate media" like social media gives ppl what they want, just check out the texts Fox News was sending out about the election lies trump was telling. If we stopped consuming what they put out, they would stop putting it out.
@@Fabric_Hater No, it's an argument that the media is a reflection of the audience. Calling the media bad faith pretends media exists in a vacuum and excuses the fact that it only exists bcuz we consume it. It's like being made at Frankenstein's monster but ignoring Dr. Frankenstein.
I like how they were so triggered by a simple statements like "sometimes people can disagree, even if they both have all the facts", just because Destiny said it. It's self-explanatory, but Andrew and others were so thirsty for a "Gotcha" moment, they ended up looping for 30 minutes, making a fool of themselves.
People can disagree and still be factually incorrect. Just because somebody CAN think something doesn't make it logically coherent. Kyle Rittenhouse didn't murder anybody. He didn't aggress on anybody. He didn't instigate any confrontations. There is zero evidence anywhere that suggests that he aggressed or instigated or used excessive force. In order to claim Kyle Rittenhouse murdered somebody, you are explicitly stating that this evidence exists. It IS, whether you choose to accept it or not, a blatant lie to suggest Kyle Rittenhouse murdered somebody, unless you can provide something that amounts to evidence of aggression. CNN can't do that. You're trying to suggest that a reasonable person could look at Jan 6th, acquire all of the evidence, all of the facts, and somehow come away with the conclusion that no riot occurred. You don't believe that, and if you do you're insane.
@@undeadman7676 If people have all the facts, they should agree on the facts. But still, they can have difference on the interpretation of what happened. Is it justified, because it's self defence? Maybe. Is it unjustified, because there was no good reason for him to be there? Maybe too. That's an exemple on how, even with all the facts, we can have different, still fair, interpretations. That was the whole point.
@@chillbluesnake7085 "Is it justified because it's self defence" THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION. The question was "Can people claim Kyle Rittenhouse murdered somebody while knowing all of the facts", to which the answer is inarguably no. CNN wasn't arguing over the morality of crossing state lines. They were calling Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer, a statement of fact with zero basis in reality. Words have meanings.
@@undeadman7676 “the question wasn’t is it justified because of self defense the question was could people say it wasn’t justified because of self defense” lmaooooo
That Destiny/Dylan combo is lethal. Also, shout out to Rob for being unbiased and not jumping into the debate for the most part. More conversations like this need to happen.
first and last time I listen to him. what an annoying ornery twat who sees himself as righteous and moderate 😂... perfect incapsulation of what the right thinks of the far left. and the blue hair is just icing on the cake 🎂
The USSR was indeed propped up by the USA: the food stolen from the kulaks was used to pay for the Ford factories later converted to produce Tanks to invade Poland. If NY Times didn't lie about the USSR, perhaps it would get less such support, and wouldn't be able to provide support to the Nazi's in the 1930's. Then perhaps it would not be able to stab Poland in the back, perform all the mass murders, and dodge its own Nuremberg trials once it finally collapsed. Then Twitch and UA-cam would not have channels of Tankies with the hammer and sickle logo brainwashing the next generation of commie slaves. Media omissions have consequences.
As painful as it was to listen to some of this, it is so refreshing not to see something related to trans rights or redpill posted. EDIT: After finishing the video and seeing closing statements, the guys on the right only cared about getting dunks on Destiny, they don't really care about the topics. So, basically championing their entire political movement, "Own the libs".
How can you be an ancap and be offended by being could far right. You are the definition of far right economically. And of course no media is going to cover your view point you don’t even live in our solar system
You're being dishonest. The AnCap Libertarian ideology is Anti-Statist (Anti-Fascist, Anti-Tankie, Anti-Nazi) and the term "Far-Right" is associated with Ethno-Nat undesirables. You're the extremist if you believe being against theft and against conscription is "not in our solar system".
@@kasimirfreeman Well unfoutunitly for AnCaps we live in a popular soverinty state where the majoirty does not agree with you that taxation is theft. Keep trying to convience more people though (i am not holding my breath though), conscription has not been used in like what 50 years so yes I agree it is bad and wrong but its not a top worry of mine, and AnCaps all seem to not mine coperations having all the controll which would lead to far right econimc principles (and yes agreed far right is majority about cultural but also have econoimc tea party like principles to)
@@kasimirfreeman and the there idea that we can function as a scoiety without a sensaul authority with supreme force is not only not in our solar system but not in our universe
I think most of these guys don't actually read any mainstream articles about political events. I think they get all their opinions of "main stream media" from what people are saying on youtube or twitter. Which is why they couldn't provide any real examples of mainstream media lying about something and instead the debate divulged into weird semantics of narratives or the difference between a fact or an opinion.
Its an obfuscation technique. Half truths, misrepresentations, outright falsehoods, layer upon layer of bullshit smokescreen. It's like an advanced motte and bailey technique. They will never stake anything meaningful on one claim, there will always be another and another and they are all virtually undebatable in their minds. Even if you manage to pin them down on one issue, they go "but all the others" and continue to roll the goalpost down the hill. Jumping ship from one to another as they sink, with no end in sight. I believe for many of these ideologues its an intentional rhetorical tactic used in order to set up a insurmountable argument that cannot be deconstructed, disputed, or addressed, without an inhuman time investment.
Man I live for the Destiny/Lonerbox/Dylanburns team-up. Always happy to see Destiny do content with them. Selecting the three of them to debate Andrew, Zen Shapiro and whoever those other two were, it's like Rob Noerr was going out of his way to make the conservatives look terrible.
Naw Rob probably thought the cons were destroying them. I'm pretty sure Rob works with Andrew and Zen right? Isn't he part of The Crucible team now? I was proud of Rob though I thought for sure he would interrupt the debate to argue points, but he was actually a pretty fair, unbiased moderator so good on him.
I always get annoyed with Dylan, gets paired with the easiest opponents that don't hammer him when he slyly shifts the context or reframes. I wanna see him up against someone that knows their shit so I can actually see what he's like in the thick of it.
@@manavein8870 I'm not always the biggest fan of his style of debate (though I think he has less experience debating than most people in the call) but he is very knowledgeable in terms of history and policy, so I think he's generally good at catching when someone's misrepresenting that kind of stuff. Overall he's probably not as adept a debater as Lonerbox or Destiny, but he did well in this discussion I think
12 Rules to debate like a right winger: 1) change definitions as needed 2) if facts don’t support your argument, blame it on “the agenda.” 3) keep “the agenda” perpetrators vague so no one can disprove the malevolence of a particular person. 4) buy an sm57 microphone and a large American flag 5) that’s really it, and that’s the point-pivot before you have to finish a coherent thought or claim.
Correction FAR Right winger. FAR lefters do the same stuff, change definitions, when the facts are against its "whyte supremacy" blah blah blah same side different coin
@@pinepickle9210 Yeah, I think it's safe to say that both extreme ends of the spectrum are as bad as each other. For both far left and far right they've become so invested in their ideology that they no longer care about things like truth, integrity or actually creating a positive outcome for society, they just want to see their team 'win'.
First off, I don't see a single SM57 on the panel. The 2 on the top right are using SM7b. Second, both the SM57 and SM7b are industry standard dynamic microphones for vocals because they have an incredibly natural frequency response, and anybody would be lucky to have one in their setup.
These guys were really not interested in engaging with the point. Like just a firm unwillingness and incuriousity to actually talk about the issue. I don't think Lonerbox would be able to get much out of them.
Andrew Wilson clearly changed his debate approach around the summer of 2023. He loses his first 5 debates badly against Destiny. Then, he pivots to this ultra-aggressive bully who uses meta-ethics constantly as a debate tactic. I wonder if these bad performances caused the switch.
Andrew is so bad faith. You could be telling a story about what you did this morning, and he would respond "but did you wet your toothbrush before or after putting on the toothpaste? Why would you leave that out? It could possibly sway my perspective"
I appreciate Robs efforts in putting this together. But, as soon as panelists prattle on about "THE media", "BIG tech", "BIG pharma", "BIG govt", I pretty much call the panel a wash and bust out the wine. There's no point in attempting to take any of it seriously.
You know how semantics works right? "There aren't people starving across Montana" isnt saying "Nobody has starved in Montana". Books aren't being banned in Florida in any significance, but yes I'm sure there has been some banned books before.
I had to do a test for a scholarship yesterday and one of the 4 main types of tasks was: you are presented with a statistic or a diagram about a topic you know nothing about and are given a short text giving minimal context. Your task is then to look at two conclusions given and determine wether these conclusions can be derived by the statistic/diagram. I would be highly interested in having some people on this panel do this test…
Brother, no offense but I really enjoy listening to your stuff. But can you mute the video game audio on our side? Its really hard to focus on whats being said with the nonstop noise and clicking. Keep up the good work man
Destiny the multitask master… I’m a big fan of his takes but ngl the playing StarCraft during these things is starting to get to me (although it’s a great game, huge blizzard nerd here). When they initially gave him 60 seconds at the beginning I was like how is he gunna do this while in a raging SC2 battle lol..
The failure to understand the difference between intentionally omitting information and doing so maliciously is so brain rotting. How are these guys adults.
There's a difference between "not saying every fact and having a bias" and omitting facts that you know are important because you know it doesn't promote the message or narrative that you're selling. Different media outlets are different levels of this. Alternative media is not immune, daily wire is one of the worst offenders. But, you wouldn't be wrong to point out that this is largely bottom up or atleast cylical from what the viewers want to see (again, to varying degrees depending on outlet).
In my experience, alternative media actually tends to be significantly worse for accuracy than mainstream media. And I DON'T intend that statement as a complement to the quality of your average mainstream media outlet! Interestingly, some of the oldest media outlets I've found to be the most favorite reliable. The Associated Press and Reuters are both pushing towards 200 years of reporting, at this point! I guess it helps to have a long history of journalistic standards to help guide your reporters.
"There's no conservative media." That's only true if your definition of "conservative" is "whatever I perso ally believe exactly." Of course there's no media source that is always 100% agreeing with you.
The best part of this video is the clip where Rob impersonates Vaush and chat starts to spam cringe emotes, but then they see Destiny laugh and the omegaluls erupt. Not a cult btw
"that's not what we're saying" *Proceeds to reword exactly what Destiny said* Yet another two hour lesson on how two things can be true. I can't believe people rally behind these guys as thought leaders.
I just fucking love how right from the first minute, Destiny is playing some game, going 10 clicks per second or some shit, while promptly starting the debate with his intro.
This was one of the worst in a while. Just the whole conservative team was just... not remotely willing to engage with the point. There is an interesting conversation you could feasibly have but they were just never able to get there after 140 minutes of bad faith and the world's most leading questions.
The more I hear Libertarians debate the less seriously i take them. Every single debate its just sub 40 IQ, intro to political science/intro to econ level discussions.
1:08 isn't that the problem though? News shouldn't be about what people WANT to see. It should be about what people need to see. News shouldn't be an echo chamber just like school shouldn't be about giving children what they want. The fact that most media is so focused on revenue and therefore completely focused only on giving people what they WANT to see, is causing the slow devolution of society. In an environment full of difficulties and challenges, people might strive to grow and evolve. However, in an environment of privilege and abundance, the natural tendency of humans is to regress to the lowest state of energy. This amounts to hours of mindless social media, dating apps, gambling, drugs, sex, etc. Nihilism and hedonism are at the core of human nature and without some sort of external force, humans will always naturally seek those states of being. If anyone hasn't seen the TV show Newsroom, I highly recommend it to everyone.
News outlets are privately run and as such are at the mercy of the market forces. If people don't want to hear your news, you either change the news you tell or you lose your money.
All this tells me is that the fundamental reason for the lack of objective unbiased reporting in the media is the profit incentive. What's your proposed solution? Listening to these partisan hacks isn't exactly an upgrade.
@@sathrielsatanson I hate this "capitalism corrupts everything" mindset. Truth is, if we lived in a communist or socialist regime we'd still have media outlets following their own agendas when reporting news. Specially under a communist government, where the state could have a more direct control of what the media is allowed to show.
Wait… wait… is he playing StarCraft? Jesus ducking Christ. It means that from now I need just a single UA-cam channel to fulfil all my entertainment needs.
Conclusion: Dronetek arguement is fine, but it also applies to fox news and other right wing media sources. Rob was fine as a host. The rest are unable to unable to acknowledge that when presented with these facts: man, gun, shoot, death, could possibly lead to someone thinking that a murder was commited. Lonerbox just had no opportunity to engage in the panel when they couldn't even get past that.
"The rest are unable to acknowledge that when presented with these facts: man, gun, shoot, death, could possibly lead to someone thinking that a murder was commited". But the premise was "if they were presented with all of the facts". Those facts don't just include all of the evidence presented in court. Those facts also include very intricate and explicit legal definitions, of which absolutely ZERO reasonable people could EVER conclude that Kyle Rittenhouse "murdered". anybody. Murder requires intent, aggression, and excessive force. Kyle Rittenhouse intended to harm, but there's no evidence that suggests he intended to kill. Kyle Rittenhouse ran away, so he's obviously not the aggressor or the instigator. Kyle Rittenhouse shot an average of 2 bullets per person, and only 2 of them were lethal, and in every instance it was as a last resort, so I don't think any reasonable person could ever argue that the amount of force he used was excessive. This last point is the only remotely gray area, so to suggest that Kyle Rittenhouse is a "murderer" without providing any evidence that disproves any of the points above is either gross negligence or blatant lying. Destiny is very precise with choosing whether or not to call people "insane" or "mentally ill", usually citing some sort of logical inconsistency that the person isn't capable of grasping. You would necessarily be Destiny's definition of insane to come to the conclusion that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered anybody, because there is no possible logical argument to be made against self-defense with the information currently present. If you have all of the information, there is only one correct answer. It's 2+2=4, and you're claiming that a reasonable person might be able to figure out some possible way that 2+2=5 is somehow a reasonable interpretation, when that's just not possible.
Will someone timestamp me when he asks the supposed question referenced in the title? I'm not watching through this and screw Destiny's editor for not time stamping his videos.
Idk how much longer I can handle people just screaming back and forth. It's getting tiresome to listen to people not have a conversation and interrupt anyone trying to get a single point out.
@@kamifuujin right? who tf was the moderators on this panel? legit any time dylan or destiny tried to get a point. You had 5 people cutting them off and then Kasimir would ramble for fucking 10 minutes at a time, and he'd be like LET ME FINISH.. like ??
The lack of Critical thinking is 90% of the reason is why I only watch 3 political streamers, Destiny, Dylan, and Counterpoints are open minded and try to either steel man and/or understand other political positions. I've not found others who are willing or able to do that.
This Andrew guy almost caused me to have an aneurysm from his refusal to engage properly, or intelligently, with anything being said for almost 2 consecutive hours
Libertarian bozo in the bottom right is just like every other libertarian bozo: principles, principles, principles, but then when it comes to real world examples everything falls apart.
AR = Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle. Guy was technically correct. An assault rifle must have the ability to select full automatic fire (or be locked to full automatic).
I honestly get why Destiny doesn't do this more often. I was frustrated for him. Isn't it a thing that an inability to engage with a hypothetical is a sign of low IQ?
I wouldn't really even invoke IQ for the conduct of this panel, it's something far worse. It's like the far right of this panel is lacking basic sense, and most of them were rude as fuck too.
So, I paused at 7:30isb Based on what I am hearing from them, I would say you need to use ling run bys. If they have a front and they are trading better, because you refuse to change your comp, go around and cut off their funds so their trades get worse and worse while you expand your bases and income. Your drone count matters too.
is there a way to mute Destiny's game? Please. Please mute the game. Please. PLEEEEEASE! Starcraft is even less relevant than fucking league, and its so much louder for no reason.
This one guy basically said: don't you think the media is working for one side? And then said that he is only talking about democrat leaning media. This is a joke, it's embarassing.
So many of these guys would be so happy after one trip to a gay club, spending all day online looking for ways to be the victim month after month after year after year has to be so draining and they're all so sexually repressed
They way all these guys gasped at being called far right when they are clearly far right was the most priceless thing I saw lol
AND THEY WENT ON TO ADMIT IT!
Neo Nazis be like: There's no conservative media companies out there fighting the mainstream narrative.
Destiny be like: WDYM, do you guys even watch Daily Wire or at least tune in to it?!?
Neo Nazis then be like: No, that doesn't count!
Destiny then be like: Welp I guess there's no point in helping you guys and trying to bridge the gap if you're not even willing to hear out a slightly moderate republican when they try to offer solutions for societies problems.
It's funny to me how conservatives always try to pretend they aren't as far to the right as they are. I never see progressives trying to convince others they aren't progressive and far left
Yeah they pulled the "I don't identify as" thing that they hate about so many citizens on the left
I think it's a testament to how far both sides of the political spectrum people en masse (especially in more online spheres) tend to end up on without even noticing it. They might actually not believe they are far right just as many far left people might not believe that either. If you surround yourself with certain people and opinions the extremities of your views kinda get normalized and you just don't notice it.
That or/and they don't want the label plastered on them due to obvious negative associations.
Okay but I've never seen Rob host before. I've always been frustrated by him as a debater but he genuinely felt very bipartisan and fair. Like I got a feeling he genuinely cared about promoting a good conversation. Good on him.
Rob is far from the best moderator but I believe he does a great job at it usually, that's probably where he's the least insufferable to me (when he talks less)
He's a good mod
His calling is in moderating, not pushing his politics :D
Rob is a lot more rhetorically effective and intellectually honest than most conservative content creators. Always look forward to Steve debating him.
@@hrknesslovesu so gish-galloping is rhetorically effective? His points are almost always empty and missing the point entirely.
Good to see destiny back in the trenches
Trrrrrruuuuueeeeee
He became a NPC tough
Never left.
@@juancorzo5081 no u
@@juancorzo5081 BOT 💀
Destiny was right; this is the sub-45 iq panel.
i thought lefties didn't believe in IQ?
@@uberneanderthal leftists do think iq is real, they just put greater emphasis on other metrics like eq. Depending on what definition you use though, neither me or Destiny are leftists; we’re liberals.
Is he the one bringing down the average? He advocated for mutilating minors lmao.
@@Boredasfuck29gender affirming surgeries are genital mutilation in the same way that appendectomies are colon mutilation. Though the process for determining eligibility for transitioning should be rigorous, it should not be off limits for minors who need it. Destiny has stated very similar things.
@@Boredasfuck29 Most of the world mutilates minors as a religious practice.
Holy shit! This planet needs media literacy as a mandatory subject across all schools and colleges.
doesn't fix anything talked about here I think.
These guys are dumb af
Yeah, but those classes would become the battlegrounds that being fought in the media now
this panel needs a basic logic class.
@@josevonbuergenwader2 this guy gets it
56:30 Rob's PERFECT restatement of Destiny's point let's me know that Zen is 100% bad faith. If Rob gets it that clearly, then Zen has no excuse and is clearly just trolling this panel.
Unfortunately they're not just trolling, they genuinely hold these views. They're just delusional
Kasimir makes me wanna off myself
He was also super respectful, especially when Alex asked that ridiculously stupid question at the end.
Restating an idea does not mean he is capable of understanding it, let alone transfer what said idea means to the broader conversation. I think he is bad faith, but also to stupid to understand most overarching concepts.
Sometimes you can explain something perfect and people won’t understand.
As a Right winger, I have to say that right wingers on the panel were so bad faith, considering the Left side has Destiny and Lonerbox, two of the most good faith Leftists/Centrist I know, and Dylan is doing lots of good stuff on UA. How can someone blunder a debate/discussion with one of the most good faith Leftists so much? I felt bad for Left side basically wasting their time on those right side clowns.
because they know their audience. which is what the whole panel was about.
the kasimir guy is brain dead
Just doing exactly what they hate the media does
Is there a good faith right winger you can point to? lol.
The core issue is they just didn’t understand destiny and the panel madness took over.
There’s clearly a distinction between the rittenhouse story and the Cambridge kids story. The more complicated the story, the less complete the picture, and the more room for legitimate interpretation there is. I think it’s perhaps the panelists see the gray as a rounding error and interpret it as hypocrisy. A trait I see far too often in these conservative debates.
The worst was the sort of weird argument conflating social media and “the media” where destiny is hypocritical for calling his social media interlocutors bad faith but not MSM. I’m not sure I understand the connection other than he agrees social media influences people like a media outlet could.
Problem is no one is gonna deny social media is stuffed full of lies.
I also thought it was cute they tried to hide behind ToS over the dominion lawsuit. At this point it doesn’t even matter what the facts are about the election. To Fox New’s knowledge the story was fake. There’s direct evidence of Fox hosts lying on air now.
This is the most clear instance of media corruption, an example of extreme bad faith, exactly what the conservative side was looking for. But they ignored it?
Also if you want real proof tje election wasn’t stolen. Fox. With all the money and reason in the world to find the faintest evidence, failed. They wanted it to be real so bad they decided to simply lie about it. If there was anything to find, fox would have.
That should be the end of the election lie story
all right wingers are bad faith
As an ex conservative, these guys are in deep and it's pretty funny to look at it from a more progressive pov now. They really think they're the average conservative and not far right...
aw man, sorry to hear that. she make you go vegan, too?
@@uberneanderthal cope
Everyone thinks they’re the most rational being on earth because I’m betting most people win arguments with themselves in their own heads and never really hear others out. I came from a far more conservative position than I am now and I realized a few years ago I was trained by my media consumption to not actually listen to people or information and engage, I was trained to listen for a pattern or a phrase or a word and create the rest of their argument (regardless of if what they’re saying deviated or not) in my head and regurgitate the approved talking points and shut my brain off. I probably still do that with certain things.
@@danimalthebruce2569 Same here. It was Destiny's content that actually helped me to stop thinking this way
@@uberneanderthal name checks out.
i like listening to convos like this with the sounds of terran marines dying repeatedly in the background, really elevates the quality
It's so annoying.
It would be more satisfying were it protoss
1:38:32 "You'll never see that clip"
"I've seen that clip"
"I'm sure you have"
Hearing Zen Shapiro and Andrew try to vomit out some words and catch Destiny in a "GOTCHA" moment, all while totally missing the point, makes me wanna die.
Zen Shapiro is such a blatant fucking retard it hurts my soul he is able to make a living grifting his insane worldview
andrew is the most condescending, smug, bad faith prick. honestly, i prefer fresh and fit over him or zen shapiro, they're so fucking interested in scoring points instead of actually engaging.
Join the club. Lol
All Zen and BPF care about is winning debates and pushing their ideology.
@@steveng6704 I guess winning the debates is just interrupting the most now
Andrew is not a very smart guy. He is completely not understanding the conversation and thinking he’s owning / dunking every time he pushes Destiny. It was really hard to watch as the entire point kept flying over his dumb head and he was so smug in his ignorance… brutal panel of poor engagement with the topic
Yeh I’m right wing but these guys are truly some of the most stupid people I’ve seen lmao. Zen and Andrew especially.
He is insufferable... He is so intent on just finding (what in his head are) dunks that you can clearly see he is the definition of an "idiot"
Vaush surprise cameo has intellectually outpaced my expectations
The clutching of their pearls when Destiny called them far right was hilarious. These guys brain a fucking rotted.
Well it's definitely something to clutch, like what's your definition of that? Can you prove it? Because I would think the guy who got cucked and continued to be cucked, calling for the death of people who disagrees with him politically, sound more like a far-leftist
@@albertbecerra how do you manage to tie your own shoes mate?
@@raensaeck it's the velcro kind. Anyways what's your point?
@@albertbecerra disagree with you but funny reponse
That blm mention by destiny in response to the January 6 bullshit was golden😭
I mean if I was him I’d have instantly dropped the call. You just got absolutely thrashed by that one question. He looked like the girl who got asked by BJG to define woke. RIP
I’m loving this “just give me one fucking example” arc that we’re on.
It is hilariously ironic when someone like these people talk about the media nowadays intentionally omitting facts. They always state "Well they need to tell the facts. They're hiding the facts intentionally". Then when they are asked about a topic they don't give off facts they give off opinion and anecdote.
You are proving the point of how no one gives off facts. You literally do it right here hahahahaha.
Well, why did they not release the full footage of jan6? They only showed part to make a false narrative.
@@juancorzo5081I assume you're complaining about Tucker Carlson, correct? You do know that he is the ONLY one in the media who currently has access to the entire footage, right?
As in, the Republican Kevin McCarthy acted in direct disagreement with the chief of Capitol Police and with complete disregard for the privacy of every member of Congress, by handing the entire trove of official footage from Jan 6th to a SELF-PROCLAIMED opinion presenter who convinced a judge that his television program is SO far removed from truth and reality that no reasonable person would believe him to be an honest news journalist.
@@juancorzo5081 What false narrative? There was a violent insurrection. Just because eventually things calmed down after the violent insurrectionists won the battle and the capitol police successfully evacuated our congressmen and congresswomen doesn't invalidate that fact.
@@misssummersalt If that is the case why don't all footage go public? Doesn't your country has the right to know?
@@juancorzo5081 Typically, if it is used in some sort of legal preceding, it is withheld until it is presented in court or the trial has ended. Unfortunately, people don't care about the Bill of Rights when it comes to a speedy trial. It might be a couple more years before all of that comes out.
Destiny's BLM point was such an easy softball, there's no good reason for them to have messed that one up.
How would you have responded to that one?
@@tempesttossed6029 "obviously the protests were mostly peaceful"
@@tempesttossed6029
"CNN claimed they were mostly peaceful while reporting from behind a building that was on fire. They were obviously mostly peaceful, but that's not the most important story, because there is literally a fire right behind you. Does that not convey an insane, malicious bias to you?"
@@Matt-dn5jc But they were not? Do you not remember the multiple city's in which there were riots, fires, and violence. Calling for the defunding of law enforcement over police incompetence. What was "peaceful" about burning down businesses and calling for the defunding of the enforcement group supposed to stop crime?
@@XXPHYSCO113 They key point is 'multiple' not most. The fact that the riots were major and led to tons in damage does not mean they made up the majority of the protests.
There is no good excuse for not understanding this almost 3 years after the fact. There's so much to talk about with the damage the riots did, parroting this stupid blatantly false meme only hurts everyone else trying to talk about it.
These guys are a textbook example of "You can't reason someone out of a position they were not reasoned into." Destiny and Dylan were fighting an unwinnable battle.
Also these guys have online careers based around those positions, like Ben Shapiro is never gonna be accept a good argument for socialism or trans rights cuz his career would be ruined
Yeah, we know the corporat media doest operate under good faith. No one can win against that basic statement of reality
@@Fabric_Hater"The corporate media" like social media gives ppl what they want, just check out the texts Fox News was sending out about the election lies trump was telling. If we stopped consuming what they put out, they would stop putting it out.
@@jasonwhite6463 not an argument against the fact the media is bad faith.
@@Fabric_Hater No, it's an argument that the media is a reflection of the audience. Calling the media bad faith pretends media exists in a vacuum and excuses the fact that it only exists bcuz we consume it. It's like being made at Frankenstein's monster but ignoring Dr. Frankenstein.
I like how they were so triggered by a simple statements like "sometimes people can disagree, even if they both have all the facts", just because Destiny said it.
It's self-explanatory, but Andrew and others were so thirsty for a "Gotcha" moment, they ended up looping for 30 minutes, making a fool of themselves.
People can disagree and still be factually incorrect. Just because somebody CAN think something doesn't make it logically coherent.
Kyle Rittenhouse didn't murder anybody. He didn't aggress on anybody. He didn't instigate any confrontations. There is zero evidence anywhere that suggests that he aggressed or instigated or used excessive force. In order to claim Kyle Rittenhouse murdered somebody, you are explicitly stating that this evidence exists. It IS, whether you choose to accept it or not, a blatant lie to suggest Kyle Rittenhouse murdered somebody, unless you can provide something that amounts to evidence of aggression. CNN can't do that.
You're trying to suggest that a reasonable person could look at Jan 6th, acquire all of the evidence, all of the facts, and somehow come away with the conclusion that no riot occurred. You don't believe that, and if you do you're insane.
@@undeadman7676
If people have all the facts, they should agree on the facts.
But still, they can have difference on the interpretation of what happened. Is it justified, because it's self defence?
Maybe.
Is it unjustified, because there was no good reason for him to be there?
Maybe too.
That's an exemple on how, even with all the facts, we can have different, still fair, interpretations.
That was the whole point.
@@chillbluesnake7085 "Is it justified because it's self defence"
THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION. The question was "Can people claim Kyle Rittenhouse murdered somebody while knowing all of the facts", to which the answer is inarguably no. CNN wasn't arguing over the morality of crossing state lines. They were calling Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer, a statement of fact with zero basis in reality.
Words have meanings.
@@undeadman7676 “the question wasn’t is it justified because of self defense the question was could people say it wasn’t justified because of self defense” lmaooooo
That Destiny/Dylan combo is lethal. Also, shout out to Rob for being unbiased and not jumping into the debate for the most part. More conversations like this need to happen.
first and last time I listen to him. what an annoying ornery twat who sees himself as righteous and moderate 😂... perfect incapsulation of what the right thinks of the far left. and the blue hair is just icing on the cake 🎂
You know you are not in a good place when you endorse a political position that you are so ashamed to admit :/
It requires shame which many people who hold shameful opinions don't have so it's not really a valid metric.
You know you are in a great place when you endorse a logically consistent position whose only opposition is emotional, ego-baiting rhetoric.
exactly
Depends on the social status/environment yknow
"Are you accusing the US of propping up the USSR?"
"Who is doing that?"
"YES!"
This is why I love these
I caught that too lol, would have told Zen to stfu after that
The USSR was indeed propped up by the USA: the food stolen from the kulaks was used to pay for the Ford factories later converted to produce Tanks to invade Poland. If NY Times didn't lie about the USSR, perhaps it would get less such support, and wouldn't be able to provide support to the Nazi's in the 1930's. Then perhaps it would not be able to stab Poland in the back, perform all the mass murders, and dodge its own Nuremberg trials once it finally collapsed. Then Twitch and UA-cam would not have channels of Tankies with the hammer and sickle logo brainwashing the next generation of commie slaves.
Media omissions have consequences.
As painful as it was to listen to some of this, it is so refreshing not to see something related to trans rights or redpill posted.
EDIT: After finishing the video and seeing closing statements, the guys on the right only cared about getting dunks on Destiny, they don't really care about the topics. So, basically championing their entire political movement, "Own the libs".
How can you be an ancap and be offended by being could far right. You are the definition of far right economically. And of course no media is going to cover your view point you don’t even live in our solar system
You're being dishonest. The AnCap Libertarian ideology is Anti-Statist (Anti-Fascist, Anti-Tankie, Anti-Nazi) and the term "Far-Right" is associated with Ethno-Nat undesirables. You're the extremist if you believe being against theft and against conscription is "not in our solar system".
@@kasimirfreeman Well unfoutunitly for AnCaps we live in a popular soverinty state where the majoirty does not agree with you that taxation is theft. Keep trying to convience more people though (i am not holding my breath though), conscription has not been used in like what 50 years so yes I agree it is bad and wrong but its not a top worry of mine, and AnCaps all seem to not mine coperations having all the controll which would lead to far right econimc principles (and yes agreed far right is majority about cultural but also have econoimc tea party like principles to)
@@kasimirfreeman and the there idea that we can function as a scoiety without a sensaul authority with supreme force is not only not in our solar system but not in our universe
I think most of these guys don't actually read any mainstream articles about political events. I think they get all their opinions of "main stream media" from what people are saying on youtube or twitter. Which is why they couldn't provide any real examples of mainstream media lying about something and instead the debate divulged into weird semantics of narratives or the difference between a fact or an opinion.
I agree. Their paranoia doesn't help either.
Its an obfuscation technique. Half truths, misrepresentations, outright falsehoods, layer upon layer of bullshit smokescreen. It's like an advanced motte and bailey technique. They will never stake anything meaningful on one claim, there will always be another and another and they are all virtually undebatable in their minds. Even if you manage to pin them down on one issue, they go "but all the others" and continue to roll the goalpost down the hill. Jumping ship from one to another as they sink, with no end in sight. I believe for many of these ideologues its an intentional rhetorical tactic used in order to set up a insurmountable argument that cannot be deconstructed, disputed, or addressed, without an inhuman time investment.
Fast forward a year and how wild Wild West Twitter has become and each one of these guys is indeed far right and would not even deny it today
Man I live for the Destiny/Lonerbox/Dylanburns team-up. Always happy to see Destiny do content with them. Selecting the three of them to debate Andrew, Zen Shapiro and whoever those other two were, it's like Rob Noerr was going out of his way to make the conservatives look terrible.
Naw Rob probably thought the cons were destroying them. I'm pretty sure Rob works with Andrew and Zen right? Isn't he part of The Crucible team now? I was proud of Rob though I thought for sure he would interrupt the debate to argue points, but he was actually a pretty fair, unbiased moderator so good on him.
I always get annoyed with Dylan, gets paired with the easiest opponents that don't hammer him when he slyly shifts the context or reframes. I wanna see him up against someone that knows their shit so I can actually see what he's like in the thick of it.
@@manavein8870 I'm not always the biggest fan of his style of debate (though I think he has less experience debating than most people in the call) but he is very knowledgeable in terms of history and policy, so I think he's generally good at catching when someone's misrepresenting that kind of stuff. Overall he's probably not as adept a debater as Lonerbox or Destiny, but he did well in this discussion I think
Who thought it was a good idea to invite this Kasimir guy?
12 Rules to debate like a right winger:
1) change definitions as needed
2) if facts don’t support your argument, blame it on “the agenda.”
3) keep “the agenda” perpetrators vague so no one can disprove the malevolence of a particular person.
4) buy an sm57 microphone and a large American flag
5) that’s really it, and that’s the point-pivot before you have to finish a coherent thought or claim.
Correction FAR Right winger.
FAR lefters do the same stuff, change definitions, when the facts are against its "whyte supremacy" blah blah blah same side different coin
6) Profit?
Same with extreme lefties obviously omitting a few small things but most of these are interchangeable as well
@@pinepickle9210 Yeah, I think it's safe to say that both extreme ends of the spectrum are as bad as each other. For both far left and far right they've become so invested in their ideology that they no longer care about things like truth, integrity or actually creating a positive outcome for society, they just want to see their team 'win'.
First off, I don't see a single SM57 on the panel. The 2 on the top right are using SM7b.
Second, both the SM57 and SM7b are industry standard dynamic microphones for vocals because they have an incredibly natural frequency response, and anybody would be lucky to have one in their setup.
I hope you get lonerbox back. He didn't get the chance to engage to his potential with these clowns
These guys were really not interested in engaging with the point. Like just a firm unwillingness and incuriousity to actually talk about the issue. I don't think Lonerbox would be able to get much out of them.
Andrew Wilson clearly changed his debate approach around the summer of 2023. He loses his first 5 debates badly against Destiny. Then, he pivots to this ultra-aggressive bully who uses meta-ethics constantly as a debate tactic. I wonder if these bad performances caused the switch.
Andrew is so bad faith. You could be telling a story about what you did this morning, and he would respond "but did you wet your toothbrush before or after putting on the toothpaste? Why would you leave that out? It could possibly sway my perspective"
Not sure if it's bad faith or he's just stupid. I lean towards stupidity.
I appreciate Robs efforts in putting this together. But, as soon as panelists prattle on about "THE media", "BIG tech", "BIG pharma", "BIG govt", I pretty much call the panel a wash and bust out the wine. There's no point in attempting to take any of it seriously.
Unfortunately that's all that Rob wants anti establishment circle jerks
You can almost hear BPF’s footsteps as he runs to defend Zen after every stupid point he makes lmao
"There's no books being banned in Florida" what? there are absolutely books that have been banned in Florida.
You know how semantics works right? "There aren't people starving across Montana" isnt saying "Nobody has starved in Montana".
Books aren't being banned in Florida in any significance, but yes I'm sure there has been some banned books before.
I had to do a test for a scholarship yesterday and one of the 4 main types of tasks was: you are presented with a statistic or a diagram about a topic you know nothing about and are given a short text giving minimal context. Your task is then to look at two conclusions given and determine wether these conclusions can be derived by the statistic/diagram. I would be highly interested in having some people on this panel do this test…
Even though vaush is hot garbage now, Rob being haunted by General Alding will never get old.
This Andrew gent is ligimately remedial. What a blackhole for anything remotely intelligent being discussed.
Andrew does well as moderator, but damn is he moronic in debates. My brain hurts listening to his drooling, dumb*ss
I got a good laugh out of you spelling legitimately like that right before calling somebody else retarded lol
@@thegrimeyhole good for you. You have the ability to spot a typo in lieu of making an argument.
@@TheOriginalKabelo thank you Kabelo ❤️
Rob is a masterclasses in impressively confident ignorance.
His Vaush impression was a master class though 😂
I'm wondering if he knows he's full of shit but continues to argue in bad faith
Just a fraud
@@ronmexico7256 Not OBAMNA haHaa
Once these dudes said there's no right wing media in America they showed they aren't arguing in good faith.
Terrible conversation.
Brother, no offense but I really enjoy listening to your stuff. But can you mute the video game audio on our side? Its really hard to focus on whats being said with the nonstop noise and clicking. Keep up the good work man
It's so frustrating, it's like we don't even speak the same language as some conservatives anymore.
Destiny the multitask master… I’m a big fan of his takes but ngl the playing StarCraft during these things is starting to get to me (although it’s a great game, huge blizzard nerd here). When they initially gave him 60 seconds at the beginning I was like how is he gunna do this while in a raging SC2 battle lol..
I thought nobody looked his factorio
Seriously. Can he just mute the SFX please.
It's weirdly disrespectful to agree to do these debates and then only pay like 20% attention because he's gaming the whole time.
@@TigerTzu damn debate tactics
Zen and Andrew are classic examples of Nazis trying to hide their true colours. At least that's the vibe I get
100% fascists. They might not really be aware of it, but if given free reign these guys would be Nazi poster boys.
The failure to understand the difference between intentionally omitting information and doing so maliciously is so brain rotting. How are these guys adults.
There's a difference between "not saying every fact and having a bias" and omitting facts that you know are important because you know it doesn't promote the message or narrative that you're selling. Different media outlets are different levels of this. Alternative media is not immune, daily wire is one of the worst offenders. But, you wouldn't be wrong to point out that this is largely bottom up or atleast cylical from what the viewers want to see (again, to varying degrees depending on outlet).
Daily Wire is the Young Turks for 90s Conservatives.
In my experience, alternative media actually tends to be significantly worse for accuracy than mainstream media. And I DON'T intend that statement as a complement to the quality of your average mainstream media outlet!
Interestingly, some of the oldest media outlets I've found to be the most favorite reliable. The Associated Press and Reuters are both pushing towards 200 years of reporting, at this point! I guess it helps to have a long history of journalistic standards to help guide your reporters.
"There's no conservative media." That's only true if your definition of "conservative" is "whatever I perso ally believe exactly." Of course there's no media source that is always 100% agreeing with you.
25:31 that was just brutal.
TLDR; there is no right wing media and by extension no left wing media. Saving everyone a whole bunch of time and brain cells
YESSS RETURN TO HIPPY DIPPY STYLE DEBATE PANELS
Andrew makes that conversation with Katee and Kelly appear good faith
nah tbf he was on par with Katee's level of discourse, even down to the overly performative snark.
I bet if you asked him Andrew would say smoking those cigarettes makes him more "cerebral"
That was crazy when Vaush called in
There's no books being ban "yet". Did anyone else catch that?
The best part of this video is the clip where Rob impersonates Vaush and chat starts to spam cringe emotes, but then they see Destiny laugh and the omegaluls erupt. Not a cult btw
"that's not what we're saying"
*Proceeds to reword exactly what Destiny said*
Yet another two hour lesson on how two things can be true. I can't believe people rally behind these guys as thought leaders.
DroneTek’s response to Destiny’s question about BLM protests saying EVERYTHING you need to know about the far right.
This panel should be used as the definition of cognitive dissonance.
why are they ashamed of being far right??
Anyone who thinks OAN is remotely progressive is delusional. The crucible guy was so smug but so stupid and it was extremely funny
I just fucking love how right from the first minute, Destiny is playing some game, going 10 clicks per second or some shit, while promptly starting the debate with his intro.
LOL that dude smoking a cigarette like it’s 2004
“There is no conservative media.” … “Social media is media.”
In the closing statements, notice how some stick to the topic at hand and others decide to get some personal insults in
Destiny: *breaths*
The Panel: HOLD-ON-ONE-SECOND-DESTINY!!!!
the guy with the crucible sign behind him is litterally dying of brain rot
That BLM dunk was hilarious
This was one of the worst in a while. Just the whole conservative team was just... not remotely willing to engage with the point. There is an interesting conversation you could feasibly have but they were just never able to get there after 140 minutes of bad faith and the world's most leading questions.
The more I hear Libertarians debate the less seriously i take them. Every single debate its just sub 40 IQ, intro to political science/intro to econ level discussions.
"You can't find proof that the main-stream media covered this story."
"Okay here's proof."
"That doesn't count."
1:08 isn't that the problem though? News shouldn't be about what people WANT to see. It should be about what people need to see. News shouldn't be an echo chamber just like school shouldn't be about giving children what they want. The fact that most media is so focused on revenue and therefore completely focused only on giving people what they WANT to see, is causing the slow devolution of society. In an environment full of difficulties and challenges, people might strive to grow and evolve. However, in an environment of privilege and abundance, the natural tendency of humans is to regress to the lowest state of energy. This amounts to hours of mindless social media, dating apps, gambling, drugs, sex, etc. Nihilism and hedonism are at the core of human nature and without some sort of external force, humans will always naturally seek those states of being.
If anyone hasn't seen the TV show Newsroom, I highly recommend it to everyone.
News outlets are privately run and as such are at the mercy of the market forces. If people don't want to hear your news, you either change the news you tell or you lose your money.
Yeah Destiny was suggesting it is a problem and media should be a more objective source of information.
All this tells me is that the fundamental reason for the lack of objective unbiased reporting in the media is the profit incentive. What's your proposed solution? Listening to these partisan hacks isn't exactly an upgrade.
This is an anticapitalist viewpoint
@@sathrielsatanson I hate this "capitalism corrupts everything" mindset. Truth is, if we lived in a communist or socialist regime we'd still have media outlets following their own agendas when reporting news. Specially under a communist government, where the state could have a more direct control of what the media is allowed to show.
37:16 Here we see tactics of "da Left!1!!1!" where both allies synchronize their drinking patterns to own de cons and that one ancap guy
based
Density is the mass of a unit volume of a material substance.
The debate around the 53rd minute with Zen was really good. They honestly cant argue in good faith
Wait… wait… is he playing StarCraft? Jesus ducking Christ. It means that from now I need just a single UA-cam channel to fulfil all my entertainment needs.
Conclusion: Dronetek arguement is fine, but it also applies to fox news and other right wing media sources. Rob was fine as a host. The rest are unable to unable to acknowledge that when presented with these facts: man, gun, shoot, death, could possibly lead to someone thinking that a murder was commited. Lonerbox just had no opportunity to engage in the panel when they couldn't even get past that.
"The rest are unable to acknowledge that when presented with these facts: man, gun, shoot, death, could possibly lead to someone thinking that a murder was commited".
But the premise was "if they were presented with all of the facts".
Those facts don't just include all of the evidence presented in court.
Those facts also include very intricate and explicit legal definitions, of which absolutely ZERO reasonable people could EVER conclude that Kyle Rittenhouse "murdered". anybody. Murder requires intent, aggression, and excessive force. Kyle Rittenhouse intended to harm, but there's no evidence that suggests he intended to kill. Kyle Rittenhouse ran away, so he's obviously not the aggressor or the instigator. Kyle Rittenhouse shot an average of 2 bullets per person, and only 2 of them were lethal, and in every instance it was as a last resort, so I don't think any reasonable person could ever argue that the amount of force he used was excessive. This last point is the only remotely gray area, so to suggest that Kyle Rittenhouse is a "murderer" without providing any evidence that disproves any of the points above is either gross negligence or blatant lying.
Destiny is very precise with choosing whether or not to call people "insane" or "mentally ill", usually citing some sort of logical inconsistency that the person isn't capable of grasping. You would necessarily be Destiny's definition of insane to come to the conclusion that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered anybody, because there is no possible logical argument to be made against self-defense with the information currently present. If you have all of the information, there is only one correct answer. It's 2+2=4, and you're claiming that a reasonable person might be able to figure out some possible way that 2+2=5 is somehow a reasonable interpretation, when that's just not possible.
Right as they were saying “there’s no conservative news media!” I got a PragerU add LULW
“Are you accusing the US of playing UP Soviet Russia?”
Guy 1: “Who’s doing that Destiny?”
Guy 2: “YES!” Lmaoooo
Will someone timestamp me when he asks the supposed question referenced in the title? I'm not watching through this and screw Destiny's editor for not time stamping his videos.
Idk how much longer I can handle people just screaming back and forth. It's getting tiresome to listen to people not have a conversation and interrupt anyone trying to get a single point out.
I was just thinking this, they need to let each other finish their points.
@@kamifuujin right? who tf was the moderators on this panel? legit any time dylan or destiny tried to get a point. You had 5 people cutting them off and then Kasimir would ramble for fucking 10 minutes at a time, and he'd be like LET ME FINISH.. like ??
@@Shayanzass was just a blood sport debate 🤷 waste of time.
playing ranked sc2 while debating is next level chaddery
37:59 you know his gonna be bath faith moving forward the moment he said Germany’s ww2 party was on the left
Depends how you define ‘left.’ Nazism was socialist in nature, but it was ethnic socialism. (Socialism as a concept existed much prior to Marx)
If we use German Man's own words. Race is a integral part of the ideology and what separates us from being confused with Marxists.
Holy fuck, the right is not sending their best to these debates.
"OAN is progressive" lmfao what????
The lack of Critical thinking is 90% of the reason is why I only watch 3 political streamers, Destiny, Dylan, and Counterpoints are open minded and try to either steel man and/or understand other political positions. I've not found others who are willing or able to do that.
This Andrew guy almost caused me to have an aneurysm from his refusal to engage properly, or intelligently, with anything being said for almost 2 consecutive hours
Im at 34:13 and about to be done. This is so bad faith it hurts. Just constant arguing in the weeds. The silence after the BLM question says it all.
Guys i've been thinking. What if Destiny isn't a girl's name at all? What if we've all been fooled? I don't think i can keep going...
What if the girls stole the name, to try and steal the power?!
Stop with your PROPAGANDA!
What if this running joke isn’t at all funny and what if I’m going to come into your house in the middle of the night and stab you to death 🤔
Libertarian bozo in the bottom right is just like every other libertarian bozo: principles, principles, principles, but then when it comes to real world examples everything falls apart.
AR = Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle.
Guy was technically correct. An assault rifle must have the ability to select full automatic fire (or be locked to full automatic).
@@molsy1768 It actually does. Kyle did not have an assault rifle, he had a carbine.
AR is just a shortening of ARmaLite. Doesn't mean rifle at all.
I honestly get why Destiny doesn't do this more often. I was frustrated for him. Isn't it a thing that an inability to engage with a hypothetical is a sign of low IQ?
I wouldn't really even invoke IQ for the conduct of this panel, it's something far worse. It's like the far right of this panel is lacking basic sense, and most of them were rude as fuck too.
Is destiny actually playing the game while debating?
Thank you Destiny for going back to your ROOTS. This is what we WANT.
So, I paused at 7:30isb
Based on what I am hearing from them, I would say you need to use ling run bys.
If they have a front and they are trading better, because you refuse to change your comp, go around and cut off their funds so their trades get worse and worse while you expand your bases and income. Your drone count matters too.
this like another debate where destiny is in where he almost cant get a word in with out being cutoff
Part of the tactic is to derail any point that may go against the narrative they have been spinning since the start.
why did no one bring up the exposed fox employee messages
is there a way to mute Destiny's game? Please. Please mute the game. Please. PLEEEEEASE!
Starcraft is even less relevant than fucking league, and its so much louder for no reason.
This one guy basically said: don't you think the media is working for one side? And then said that he is only talking about democrat leaning media. This is a joke, it's embarassing.
When you've left the Overton window and found the Overton porthole, your defense becomes "what do you mean far right? I'm right here in the middle!"
So many of these guys would be so happy after one trip to a gay club, spending all day online looking for ways to be the victim month after month after year after year has to be so draining and they're all so sexually repressed
"anyone who hasn't had at least 5 std's and rectal reconstructive surgery is repressed" -anime avatar
@@uberneanderthal Someone doesn't know how condoms work.
@@ddandymann yeah, judging by the STD rates, they sure don't.