I doubt very much indeed that the Federation still exist 950+ Year past 2258ish - They should exist in some form upto the 29th century - but after that "shrugs" I consider very likely they will be the villains and we will get a recover the federation Andromeda style plot. As for the 1000 years in a Nebula thing - yeah they could leave her in the Nebula until she reaches the stage of development that she can activate and control the spore drive herself (sort of bill and ted territory - you say "we will leave the ship here until she can think for herself and run the spore drive - then she can jump back in time to this point") That idea is naturally about as d about as desirable as Light speed ramming is in your fiction. But I can see it as one way to make both things happen. - the other alternative is Burnham can't get the suit to go back in time so to send a message to spock she takes the Discovery once Stamets is better send him a message and then dumps the ship then jumps back to the future to pick it up in it's evolved state - now if she knows it would evolve is a whole other question. What we do know is Burnham is on her own and the ship arrives elsewhere ; so that might tie in and it might have nothing to do with Burnham (for a change) it might be some plan Saru cooks up.
We need a humorous short trek with about two of three temporal agents discussing various time incidents while on a break. They could pick side who was best and worst at handling temporal crises, giving their examples why Kirk or Janeway etc. was the worst to work with. Perhaps slipping a line, like "and just don't tell me about the red angel fiasco" or some thing like this. I could end with a scene with an time event alert and visuals for said red angel appearing on the viewscreen and with one of the guys saying "no, not again" for bonus chuckles. ;-)
The tie ins to The Odyssey are giving clues to Discovery’s third season. Calypso is my favorite of all of the Short Treks. It’s beautiful tie ins to 1950s science fiction, Homer, and other classical works. The trailer for season 3 has a character that is very reminiscent of Craft.
Great analysis and discussion. I think you’re right about the Sphere and I really like your eyes, too. I’m so excited to see the 4000s. I really hope they go back to Terralysium and explore the evolution of the religion.
I just have a wild theory what if the V'draysh are the Terralysians who by 43rd century become conquers trying reclaim relics of "the long ago" and that power supply Pike traded to Jacob was the match that ignited a new industrial revolution This is a plot thread that Star Trek have touch on in the past namely "A Piece of the Action" source: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_(episode)
Unless some element of Control survives into the era the Discovery finds itself. The Shere data except to the scientific community has no relevance. Nor would it be some embarrassing scandal to that era Starfleet, for the supposed destroyed Discovery to show up on its doorstep. However, what would be a disturbance to the balance of power between the Federation and her rivals and put the Discovery in danger, would again be the Spore drive. the nearest thing to a working Iconian gateway. in the known universe.
The start of these 1000 years was never actually specified, those 1000 years can start whenever, not necessarily at the time we are/have been watching now, that was just an assumption we all made at that time. Discovery can go on as long and wild as they like as the starting point of these 1000 years is open. That's pretty cool from a story telling perspective. Can't wait what they come up with next.
My theory: Discovery does arrive in the 33rd century and towards the end of season 3, Empress Georgiou must return to the 23rd century for some reason. She takes Discovery back in time, but hides the ship somewhere where the crew of Discovery can recover it immediately after she departs with the ship.
Well, I'm sure that the creatives on the ST:D writing staff will come up some plausible method of hammering that square peg through the hole smaller than itself. :)
I don't think it will necessarily set up the origin of the Temporal Cold War - Daniels came from the 31st century where time travel tech already existed, Discovery jumped to the 32nd century - But they could possibly still play a role since the factions in the war all came from different centuries.
Wow wow wow there - sounds like you’re using examples of previous Trek storytelling. No no no, STD doesn’t succumb to such things. They’ll write whatever they want
They’ve already said they’re going forward in the Star Trek timeline to the point where no one has been before so they can do their own thing without worrying about messing up existing canon
After 2 seasons, it's pretty obvious that the writers don't give much thought or priority to past Trek shows, continuity, or plot holes and the stories for season 3 probably will be their own take on the Star Trek universe.
What I am thinking, in the distant future it's the federation that are the bad guys and in Star Trek : Picard it's going to show the start of this transformation from good to bad? Cool cat btw :)
I reeeeeally hope not. That could play out well, but considering how the Federation are meant to represent our best selves, it would need something pretty drastic to make that ok, otherwise the implications are really pessimistic.
According to sources, theg planned to do this with season 6, So Burnham just didn't go there and leave Zora to sit there for a thousand years by herself originally.
Good theories,Ketwolski! I wish they would bring back the story of the temporal cold war. I would love to find out who was behind it. I think you're right about the Calypso Short Trek playing some kind of part. But if that's true,then the Harry Mudd one must have some part to play in Discovery season 3 too,right? Hey,what about this,maybe the Discovery runs across one of Mudd's android selves in the future? Or what if that Short Trek with Mudd was also set in the future? What do you think,Ketwolski? That Mudd Short Trek could be set in the future. Androids can live for a really long time. Also,that future glimpsed at in the Calypso Short Trek might not exist anymore. Control was stopped and Discovery went to the future so the timeline's been altered again. So you have to take that into account too. Calypso could've just been a glimpse into what might've been if Control hadn't been stopped and it got its hands on that sphere data. But the timeline's been messed with again so who knows if the Calypso episode means anything at all anymore. LLAP 🖖,Ketwolski.
Cool vid, that Calypso episode is definately some kind of precursor to the shows end somehow. I liked the temporal war idea, that could be great! I have another theory about Calypso I’m forming - will hopefully do a theory vid on that soon.
One more to add into your video: Georgiou uses the discovery to travel back in time to the 2250's so she can be in the S31 show and leaves the Discovery in a Nebula for 1000 years so the crew can find it in the future.
@@Ketwolski That's a really great idea actually! Could get it all lined up chronologically - altho somehow Georgio doesn't seem the type to 'leave it alone' - it could be cool if she went back in time, used the ship for a while and brought it to the nebula as an old woman, fulfilling her promise to the crew in the future and leaving it there for them.
I like your temporal cold war idea, I believe they left that kind of unfinished, I'd like to see Daniels and the "federation " bridge it back to enterprise, maybe even discover the mysterious time shadow
There's a fourth option. It's the 3200's, but it's AFTER Georgio returned to the 2200's, which will probably happen during the third season, and she left it adrift for the crew to find in the 3200's.
I'm slowly getting more excited and less wary for season 3. I really loved season 1 and most of season 2. It was really just the end of season 2 with them all promising never to talk about Discovery that annoyed me. But then I think there is a lot still to be explored from season 2 that season 3 will probably get into. I just don't like the idea of a Federation that has lost its way or fallen apart on its own. I think it needs an outside influence that has caused it to collapse in some way, because at the end of the day the Federation is always meant to represent us as the best we can be, if that involves falling apart from the inside, that has some pretty pessimistic implications.
could it be possible that the change in show runners meant that this episode became a loose-end they are gonna ignore? Like there is a lot from S2ep1 that doesn't really work 100% with the end of the season (e.g. why did all the signals appear at once and then one by one again later?)
To answer your question about the show runners: Kurtzman was heavily involved with the development of Disco S2 & S3, along with the currently released Short Treks. Michelle Paradise stepping into the show runner role wont, in my opinion, blatantly override Calypso's story without formally coming forward and saying as much. That opinion is based on Kurtzmans leadership still being used and how much the other Short Treks impacted Discovery already. As for the signal situation, that is a huge plot hole that I cant understand either...however It makes me wonder if they will possibly explain that in S3.
One thing in the last episode of season 2 that confuses me is when Georgiou confronts Leland while he is looking for the sphere data on Discovery. He can’t find it and she tells him something she wouldn’t be foolish enough to leave in the ship and then holds up something inferring that the sheer data is in it. So, if she had the data in that device, why didn’t they just destroy it?
If I remember correctly, and I may not be, the device she holds up was the same one her and Tyler where trying to use to capture the data transfer in an earlier episode. I thnk she was just using that as a prop to keep Lelands focus on her.
To think that Disco staff know about what happened in Enterprise and Daniels is a BIG ask :) They haven't watched it, they don't care, they think Disco is breaking all moral and cultural rules, doing stuff that never happened in Star Trek history, it's so sad. Your theories? I don't know. What I know is that listening to it is painful, people try to figure out the mess we are in made by poor writing, I am very sceptical for season 3, maybe it should have finished on season 2 with Discovery never to be seen again or talked about again.
craft is from altair if I remember, which is near Mizar. both real locations that in tos and discovery and all the way through tng era was located in Klingon space. It's possible the Klingon empire took in humans at some point. Also discovery season 3 might lift the end of stargate universe for season 3 and if there is a season 4 it'll resume with a whole new cast
@@Ketwolski my mistake on altair, but alcor and mizar are near one another in both reality and star trek. up until the finale I was betting on pike hiding the discovery in Klingon space but, well, we will see how things unfold now disco and crew are scattered.
To me there's a huge missing piece in the Calypso story. Where did the crew go? Although Michelle Paradise stated they're staying in the future, I still feel that the crew will somehow return home at the conclusion of season 3.
Interesting theory but I doubt they will refer back to the Temperal Time war but I could well be wrong. I agree the Calipso Short Trek has to have something to do with things to come in Discovery. Even the Harry Mudd episode was an introduction to the ‘Klingon Time Crystals’ so there must have been some reason for this Short Trek. As for The Discovery being in the Nebula for a thousand years maybe that is how Discovery will end with her being ‘parked’ in the Nebula. Of coarse this is not allowing for the fact we are giving the writers far to much credit, let’s face it, much of the writing on Discovery had the level of about a 5 year old. Still I’m interested to see what happens I’ll be watching it and hoping for the best, let’s face it it can’t get much worse than season 1 and season 2 was an improvement so maybe we will be shocked and season 3 could be really good.
Also I hope we get a Spin off with Craft maybe trying to find his way home in a 23rd Century Shuttle in the 32 or 4200s whenever he is in, Think about it it's the 32 or 4200s and Craft is in a 23rd Century Shuttle Everything would be a Threat to Him it would make for Great Drama.
I reject your theories and substitute one of my own. We know Georgiou is on the Discovery in the future, with the rest of the crew. She is also the senior starfleet officer. Georgiou takes command of the Discovery. They learn that the Federation is gone in the future, and the Alpha quadrant is in a perpetual state of conflict, because the Federation lost the temporal cold war. As a member of Section 31, Georgiou collects as much data as possible, salvages 29th century time travel equipment, with the intent on taking the Discovery back to the past to correct the various missteps. She succeeds, and gets pack to the past just in time for her own series, but has to abandon the crew, in escape pods, maybe, and parks the Discovery in a nebula so it'll be there waiting for the crew for season 4 (or the second half of season 3).
Can I ask Wilbur, I thing he knows. Seriously, I'm just wait patiently for season 3 and see what they do. I love how the other short treks were Incorporated into season 2. How about we just wait and be surprised. 😉
"ask Wilbur, I think he knows" When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead / Mr. Spock was writing backwards / And the red angels's off with her head Remember what T'Kuvma said / Come in peace, come in peace
One thing I think is interesting is that even in the official trailer for the short Trek only states "1,000 years after Discovery"...which could now mean a thousands years after the series finale source: ua-cam.com/video/_2Gcg9RMkoU/v-deo.html Anyways I think the most likely way we can see confirmation that Calypso fits into the prime timeline is if we see Zora being installed by 33rd century Starfleet to watch over the temporal displaced crew. Not saying your theory of her being created by a merger of Airiam memories and the sphere data isn't possible, but if we don't see the 33rd century technology playing a role in her creation it would leaves the door open that Calypso happens in alternate 33rd century
Throwing this idea into the pot: Georgiou winds up pulling rank to be the new Captain of the Discovery. Stamets is injured & out of the loop for most of the season. Georgiou faces a slow brewing mutiny, winds up depositing the Discovery crew on a planet somewhere, forces the newly revived Stamets to **time spore jump** back to their original timestream, thus getting her back in time to run Section 31 on the new show, then fulfills a promise to Burnham by parking the Discovery in the Nebula for a 1000 years, with Stamets in a stasis box. 1000yrs pass, the timer on the stasis box goes off, Stamets wakes up, and jumps back to the crew's planet-bound location, reuniting ship and crew in the future. That would tie in some loose ends, eh what?
Your second theory doesn’t work because Craft is confirmed for season 3 of discovery. My theory: mirror Georgiou (with some interesting heroic motivation) steals the discovery, takes it back into the past (where she heads section 31).... hides the ship in the nebula for the Discovery crew to get their ship back (by the start of season 4).
Craft isnt in S3 :) But I agree with our theory as well, its one I have thought/spoken about here...it seems to be the most likely way to get her back into the TOS era and to enable the discovery to be sitting in a nebula for 1k years!
Was I the only person to assume that the Sphere in Discovery was something to do with the "Sphere Builders" in Enterprise? Was it established who built the Sphere in Discovery... (where, and indeed when, it came from)?
Since the Emperor comes back to the 23rd Century to join the Section 31 show it makes more sense that at some point Discovery was sent back with her and possibly a few others. All except one shuttle is gone because the main crew stayed behind in the future, and it was placed in the nebula to safeguard it until it catches up with the crew. So in season 2 we'll Red Angel Michael take Discovery away, then they'll take their shuttles to where she's waiting and find Zora has become conscious during the wait
It takes place in the 32nd Century 2257 + 930 = 3187 Calypso can still happen because does the AI tells us when the ship was ordered to stay in that nebula? answer is no it does not This means sometime in the 32nd or 33rd Century it will be ordered to stay in that Nebula.
@@Ketwolski I have watched it and all it is theory I am on about the facts In the episode Calypso, the AI does not state when it was ordered in the Nebula, you are just assuming when that is with no facts to back it up You stated you believe it is in the 4000s which does not add up, Sorry but this just means you cannot do maths, ----> 2257 + 930 = 3187
@@privatecaboose250 So I think there might be a disconnect with what you think I'm saying in the video, and what my theory is. Just to clarify: my theory is that the Discovery sat in that nebula for 1000 years AFTER the time jump featured at the end of Disco S2. Which puts it in the 4000's. Everyone originally thought Calypso was 1000 years ahead of 2250's like you suggested, but that not necessarily the case.
Or they just jumped back to their time let the crew off head out of there with all the shuttle that are more capable and leave it there for a thousand years remember the ship can travel back and forth through time if you can figure the drive correctly
It’s important to note that the Federation and even Starfleet are not always the good guys. Kirk often found himself acting against the Federation in both timelines and Sisko was essentially a state sponsored terrorist. I feel it important to point out that Picard after Generations is much more like Kirk. More willing to stand purely on principle, more adventurous, and more willing to rebel against the Federation. It’s telling that Picard is not only going through an internal crisis like Kirk did in his days of retirement and as an admiral, but Picard for whatever reason is off “saving the Galaxy” as a privateer and not a Starfleet officer. A far flung future in which the Federation has become outwardly as villainous as it was internally in the TNG, DS9 Days is not too much of a stretch.
I like the idea of the Federation becoming on overbearing/overprotective entity to the point of trampling on freedoms or even downright being evil. I think it would add some depth to the universe...but I'm not sure how folks would respond to such a change.
Ketwolski People will piss and moan no matter what. It’s not like we don’t have precedent for this anyway. Had men like Kirk not been around who knows the kinda stuff the Federation would have gotten away with. We’ve seen the Federation overstep it’s mandate and even fail to uphold its principles often. I mean just look at events like abandoning citizens and removing their rightful legal status when faced with Cardassian aggression, installing a puppet government to rule over the Klingons in Discovery, a vast number of legal and ethical violations by Section 31 in Into Darkness. I think people would be kidding themselves as to what the Federation would or would not do had the more libertarian minded captains not been around to fight back.
@@Ketwolski You already know how ST: Discovery's detractors are going to react. Without showing how the Federation/UFP drowned its morals and ideals in the swamp (Either in the Pichard or other Trek series), it would be seen as a (total) betrayal/abandonment of Gene Roddenberry's ideas on the future of humanity. " idea of the Federation becoming on overbearing/overprotective entity to the point of trampling on freedoms or even downright being evil" If the Klingons were supposed to be the embodiment of the (stereotypical) Trump supporter, in season one. Is the overbearing, tyrannical, trampling on (individual) freedoms. Just plain evil Federation a representation on their ideas on Democracy and Big Government, in season three?
@@Shapes_Quality_Control Personally I would be greatly disappointed if the 3rd season of Discovery shows the Federation into overbearing imperialistic super power trying to expand their territory with might alone as I see the Federation principles of peaceful cooperation in the search of the unknown and to better ourselves as the keystone what the franchise is I'm not saying that I against to portray aspects of the Federation in less than favorable light when a crisis would cause someone to question these ideals (personally loved STVI and DS9 because it did just that), but that is different than turning the entire Federation into the enemy. That being said and if that is were Discovery as a show is heading, I won't continually harped my disappointment over and over again in attempt troll the people who do like it
amazedsatsuma It’s somewhat difficult to see the Federation get to that point I know especially when considering that the Federation was Trek’s metaphor for America and American idealism. As of yet America has not come close to the point of being a tyrannical overbearing state so it’s hard to see the Federation come to that point. Given several hundred years though who knows.
The best thing they could do... discovery shows up. The federation freaks out and destroys the discovery and everyone on the ship and they mercifully end this garbage series. Discovery is not, nor ever has been Star Trek. Please Pile series. Or let the youtube fan series “Star Trek continues” write and develop more episodes of STC or let them create real starvtrek. The fan series “Star Trek Continues” episodes were award winning compared to the trash that Discovery is/was.
@@Ketwolski Now someone should Photoshop you with a witch's hat and green skin because that comment reminded me of the Wizard of OZXD ...through I think Nerdrotic and his ilk are the true Wicked Trekkies of UA-cam;)
If Wilbur😼 keeps showing up in these videos I am going to have to start sharing the Ad revenue with him...LLAP!
omg he's called wilbur
@@Dalekium Picked by yours truly :)
@@Ketwolski an excellent name
Put Wilbur in front, he's a viewer magnet! Maybe make a sister channel dedicated to him, you could call it Catwolski :)
I doubt very much indeed that the Federation still exist 950+ Year past 2258ish - They should exist in some form upto the 29th century - but after that "shrugs" I consider very likely they will be the villains and we will get a recover the federation Andromeda style plot.
As for the 1000 years in a Nebula thing - yeah they could leave her in the Nebula until she reaches the stage of development that she can activate and control the spore drive herself (sort of bill and ted territory - you say "we will leave the ship here until she can think for herself and run the spore drive - then she can jump back in time to this point") That idea is naturally about as d about as desirable as Light speed ramming is in your fiction.
But I can see it as one way to make both things happen. - the other alternative is Burnham can't get the suit to go back in time so to send a message to spock she takes the Discovery once Stamets is better send him a message and then dumps the ship then jumps back to the future to pick it up in it's evolved state - now if she knows it would evolve is a whole other question.
What we do know is Burnham is on her own and the ship arrives elsewhere ; so that might tie in and it might have nothing to do with Burnham (for a change) it might be some plan Saru cooks up.
Man ... your beautiful cat is thoroughly up staging you.
I know, and he totally deserves it!
interesting theories! im on board with about 50%...keep them coming
I Really Hope that Discovery in Calypso is in the 4200s. that would be Sweet.
You're the man! Love your vids- Live long and Prosper
We need a humorous short trek with about two of three temporal agents discussing various time incidents while on a break. They could pick side who was best and worst at handling temporal crises, giving their examples why Kirk or Janeway etc. was the worst to work with. Perhaps slipping a line, like "and just don't tell me about the red angel fiasco" or some thing like this. I could end with a scene with an time event alert and visuals for said red angel appearing on the viewscreen and with one of the guys saying "no, not again" for bonus chuckles. ;-)
I like it!
The tie ins to The Odyssey are giving clues to Discovery’s third season.
Calypso is my favorite of all of the Short Treks. It’s beautiful tie ins to 1950s science fiction, Homer, and other classical works.
The trailer for season 3 has a character that is very reminiscent of Craft.
Great analysis and discussion. I think you’re right about the Sphere and I really like your eyes, too. I’m so excited to see the 4000s. I really hope they go back to Terralysium and explore the evolution of the religion.
I just have a wild theory what if the V'draysh are the Terralysians who by 43rd century become conquers trying reclaim relics of "the long ago" and that power supply Pike traded to Jacob was the match that ignited a new industrial revolution
This is a plot thread that Star Trek have touch on in the past namely "A Piece of the Action"
source: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_(episode)
Unless some element of Control survives into the era the Discovery finds itself. The Shere data except to the scientific community has no relevance. Nor would it be some embarrassing scandal to that era Starfleet, for the supposed destroyed Discovery to show up on its doorstep. However, what would be a disturbance to the balance of power between the Federation and her rivals and put the Discovery in danger, would again be the Spore drive. the nearest thing to a working Iconian gateway. in the known universe.
@PJPF Errr, what about them (the Borg). Why would they be relevant in this?
The start of these 1000 years was never actually specified, those 1000 years can start whenever, not necessarily at the time we are/have been watching now, that was just an assumption we all made at that time. Discovery can go on as long and wild as they like as the starting point of these 1000 years is open. That's pretty cool from a story telling perspective. Can't wait what they come up with next.
My theory: Discovery does arrive in the 33rd century and towards the end of season 3, Empress Georgiou must return to the 23rd century for some reason. She takes Discovery back in time, but hides the ship somewhere where the crew of Discovery can recover it immediately after she departs with the ship.
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Your Cat "O you're doing a video, cool, I'm rubbing my self on the framed picture"
Well, I'm sure that the creatives on the ST:D writing staff will come up some plausible method of hammering that square peg through the hole smaller than itself. :)
It’ll be some straight white male’s fault either way
I don't think it will necessarily set up the origin of the Temporal Cold War - Daniels came from the 31st century where time travel tech already existed, Discovery jumped to the 32nd century - But they could possibly still play a role since the factions in the war all came from different centuries.
Daniels came from 29th century...
Sabko Bds Daniels said in ENT “Shockwave” he was from 900 years in the future. 900 years from that episode (2152) is 3052 i.e. **31st century**
@@Nick-kz6dg Maybe I don't remember right... Can be.. :)
Wow wow wow there - sounds like you’re using examples of previous Trek storytelling. No no no, STD doesn’t succumb to such things. They’ll write whatever they want
They’ve already said they’re going forward in the Star Trek timeline to the point where no one has been before so they can do their own thing without worrying about messing up existing canon
I mean, how and what I feel about Calypso gets pretty complicated, first of all... KITTY! 🐈😸
After 2 seasons, it's pretty obvious that the writers don't give much thought or priority to past Trek shows, continuity, or plot holes and the stories for season 3 probably will be their own take on the Star Trek universe.
What I am thinking, in the distant future it's the federation that are the bad guys and in Star Trek : Picard it's going to show the start of this transformation from good to bad? Cool cat btw :)
love this theory!
I reeeeeally hope not. That could play out well, but considering how the Federation are meant to represent our best selves, it would need something pretty drastic to make that ok, otherwise the implications are really pessimistic.
@@punkrockzoologist9449Agree, although that may be a Reflex of our own times Right now and how they seem to get darker and pessimistic.
But then again I also believe that no realm or state Entity will last forever including the Federation as well as our own present states.
According to sources, theg planned to do this with season 6, So Burnham just didn't go there and leave Zora to sit there for a thousand years by herself originally.
Some good theories! Is that Gary Seven’s cat in the background or a co-host you trying out?
New co-host...I'm worried that he might take over the show though! #nomoreketwolski #welcometoCATwolski
Good theories,Ketwolski! I wish they would bring back the story of the temporal cold war. I would love to find out who was behind it. I think you're right about the Calypso Short Trek playing some kind of part.
But if that's true,then the Harry Mudd one must have some part to play in Discovery season 3 too,right? Hey,what about this,maybe the Discovery runs across one of Mudd's android selves in the future? Or what if that Short Trek with Mudd was also set in the future? What do you think,Ketwolski?
That Mudd Short Trek could be set in the future. Androids can live for a really long time. Also,that future glimpsed at in the Calypso Short Trek might not exist anymore. Control was stopped and Discovery went to the future so the timeline's been altered again.
So you have to take that into account too. Calypso could've just been a glimpse into what might've been if Control hadn't been stopped and it got its hands on that sphere data. But the timeline's been messed with again so who knows if the Calypso episode means anything at all anymore. LLAP 🖖,Ketwolski.
Cool vid, that Calypso episode is definately some kind of precursor to the shows end somehow. I liked the temporal war idea, that could be great! I have another theory about Calypso I’m forming - will hopefully do a theory vid on that soon.
One more to add into your video: Georgiou uses the discovery to travel back in time to the 2250's so she can be in the S31 show and leaves the Discovery in a Nebula for 1000 years so the crew can find it in the future.
@@Ketwolski That's a really great idea actually! Could get it all lined up chronologically - altho somehow Georgio doesn't seem the type to 'leave it alone' - it could be cool if she went back in time, used the ship for a while and brought it to the nebula as an old woman, fulfilling her promise to the crew in the future and leaving it there for them.
I like your temporal cold war idea, I believe they left that kind of unfinished, I'd like to see Daniels and the "federation " bridge it back to enterprise, maybe even discover the mysterious time shadow
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There's a fourth option. It's the 3200's, but it's AFTER Georgio returned to the 2200's, which will probably happen during the third season, and she left it adrift for the crew to find in the 3200's.
You're the second person to suggest this theory to me, and I really like it!
I would say the 3rd option THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE DOING OF how to do a Startrek show
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Wilbur is totally taking control of the stream dude. see what I just did? He IS Control!
I'm slowly getting more excited and less wary for season 3. I really loved season 1 and most of season 2. It was really just the end of season 2 with them all promising never to talk about Discovery that annoyed me. But then I think there is a lot still to be explored from season 2 that season 3 will probably get into. I just don't like the idea of a Federation that has lost its way or fallen apart on its own. I think it needs an outside influence that has caused it to collapse in some way, because at the end of the day the Federation is always meant to represent us as the best we can be, if that involves falling apart from the inside, that has some pretty pessimistic implications.
could it be possible that the change in show runners meant that this episode became a loose-end they are gonna ignore? Like there is a lot from S2ep1 that doesn't really work 100% with the end of the season (e.g. why did all the signals appear at once and then one by one again later?)
To answer your question about the show runners: Kurtzman was heavily involved with the development of Disco S2 & S3, along with the currently released Short Treks. Michelle Paradise stepping into the show runner role wont, in my opinion, blatantly override Calypso's story without formally coming forward and saying as much. That opinion is based on Kurtzmans leadership still being used and how much the other Short Treks impacted Discovery already. As for the signal situation, that is a huge plot hole that I cant understand either...however It makes me wonder if they will possibly explain that in S3.
Pretty good theory I think you're on the right track at least
One thing in the last episode of season 2 that confuses me is when Georgiou confronts Leland while he is looking for the sphere data on Discovery. He can’t find it and she tells him something she wouldn’t be foolish enough to leave in the ship and then holds up something inferring that the sheer data is in it. So, if she had the data in that device, why didn’t they just destroy it?
If I remember correctly, and I may not be, the device she holds up was the same one her and Tyler where trying to use to capture the data transfer in an earlier episode. I thnk she was just using that as a prop to keep Lelands focus on her.
Maybe the sphere was a mini Dyson's sphere from TNG...
To think that Disco staff know about what happened in Enterprise and Daniels is a BIG ask :) They haven't watched it, they don't care, they think Disco is breaking all moral and cultural rules, doing stuff that never happened in Star Trek history, it's so sad. Your theories? I don't know. What I know is that listening to it is painful, people try to figure out the mess we are in made by poor writing, I am very sceptical for season 3, maybe it should have finished on season 2 with Discovery never to be seen again or talked about again.
craft is from altair if I remember, which is near Mizar. both real locations that in tos and discovery and all the way through tng era was located in Klingon space. It's possible the Klingon empire took in humans at some point.
Also discovery season 3 might lift the end of stargate universe for season 3 and if there is a season 4 it'll resume with a whole new cast
That's an intersting endgame theory there! And Craft is from Alcor IV :)
@@Ketwolski my mistake on altair, but alcor and mizar are near one another in both reality and star trek. up until the finale I was betting on pike hiding the discovery in Klingon space but, well, we will see how things unfold now disco and crew are scattered.
To me there's a huge missing piece in the Calypso story. Where did the crew go?
Although Michelle Paradise stated they're staying in the future, I still feel that the crew will somehow return home at the conclusion of season 3.
It's possible fursure that they return, but my gut says it will be them staying in the future.
Interesting theory but I doubt they will refer back to the Temperal Time war but I could well be wrong. I agree the Calipso Short Trek has to have something to do with things to come in Discovery. Even the Harry Mudd episode was an introduction to the ‘Klingon Time Crystals’ so there must have been some reason for this Short Trek. As for The Discovery being in the Nebula for a thousand years maybe that is how Discovery will end with her being ‘parked’ in the Nebula. Of coarse this is not allowing for the fact we are giving the writers far to much credit, let’s face it, much of the writing on Discovery had the level of about a 5 year old. Still I’m interested to see what happens I’ll be watching it and hoping for the best, let’s face it it can’t get much worse than season 1 and season 2 was an improvement so maybe we will be shocked and season 3 could be really good.
good to see Lore didn't get in and do something nasty. A gun wielding maniac, I wouldn't open the door either ;)
I always enjoy your videos but seriously dude, slow it down a bit! Take your time! 🤣
It's a CAT!!! :D
He's really starting to love the limelight.
Thanks for the spoiler warning. I just watched Calypso but haven"t finished Season 2. I'll be back.
Also I hope we get a Spin off with Craft maybe trying to find his way home in a 23rd Century Shuttle in the 32 or 4200s whenever he is in, Think about it it's the 32 or 4200s and Craft is in a 23rd Century Shuttle Everything would be a Threat to Him it would make for Great Drama.
I reject your theories and substitute one of my own.
We know Georgiou is on the Discovery in the future, with the rest of the crew. She is also the senior starfleet officer. Georgiou takes command of the Discovery. They learn that the Federation is gone in the future, and the Alpha quadrant is in a perpetual state of conflict, because the Federation lost the temporal cold war. As a member of Section 31, Georgiou collects as much data as possible, salvages 29th century time travel equipment, with the intent on taking the Discovery back to the past to correct the various missteps.
She succeeds, and gets pack to the past just in time for her own series, but has to abandon the crew, in escape pods, maybe, and parks the Discovery in a nebula so it'll be there waiting for the crew for season 4 (or the second half of season 3).
Can I ask Wilbur, I thing he knows. Seriously, I'm just wait patiently for season 3 and see what they do. I love how the other short treks were Incorporated into season 2. How about we just wait and be surprised. 😉
"ask Wilbur, I think he knows"
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
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Mr. Spock was writing backwards / And the red angels's off with her head
Remember what T'Kuvma said
/ Come in peace, come in peace
One thing I think is interesting is that even in the official trailer for the short Trek only states "1,000 years after Discovery"...which could now mean a thousands years after the series finale
source: ua-cam.com/video/_2Gcg9RMkoU/v-deo.html
Anyways I think the most likely way we can see confirmation that Calypso fits into the prime timeline is if we see Zora being installed by 33rd century Starfleet to watch over the temporal displaced crew.
Not saying your theory of her being created by a merger of Airiam memories and the sphere data isn't possible, but if we don't see the 33rd century technology playing a role in her creation it would leaves the door open that Calypso happens in alternate 33rd century
Throwing this idea into the pot: Georgiou winds up pulling rank to be the new Captain of the Discovery. Stamets is injured & out of the loop for most of the season. Georgiou faces a slow brewing mutiny, winds up depositing the Discovery crew on a planet somewhere, forces the newly revived Stamets to **time spore jump** back to their original timestream, thus getting her back in time to run Section 31 on the new show, then fulfills a promise to Burnham by parking the Discovery in the Nebula for a 1000 years, with Stamets in a stasis box. 1000yrs pass, the timer on the stasis box goes off, Stamets wakes up, and jumps back to the crew's planet-bound location, reuniting ship and crew in the future. That would tie in some loose ends, eh what?
I like it!
What's the cats name 🤔😂😂😂🇬🇧
Wilbur! Or more commonly known as Mr. Wilbs :)
Your second theory doesn’t work because Craft is confirmed for season 3 of discovery. My theory: mirror Georgiou (with some interesting heroic motivation) steals the discovery, takes it back into the past (where she heads section 31).... hides the ship in the nebula for the Discovery crew to get their ship back (by the start of season 4).
Craft isnt in S3 :) But I agree with our theory as well, its one I have thought/spoken about here...it seems to be the most likely way to get her back into the TOS era and to enable the discovery to be sitting in a nebula for 1k years!
The sphere's data.... the sphere's builders???? some kind of Disco - Enterprise conection???
Was I the only person to assume that the Sphere in Discovery was something to do with the "Sphere Builders" in Enterprise? Was it established who built the Sphere in Discovery... (where, and indeed when, it came from)?
Wait. Hold on. Something in STD didn't make sense nor seems to have no logic behind it post season 2?......SIR I AM SHOCKED.
Im not actually shocked.
What if they take from Gene Rodennberry's Andromeda? I'm literally serious about this...
Since the Emperor comes back to the 23rd Century to join the Section 31 show it makes more sense that at some point Discovery was sent back with her and possibly a few others. All except one shuttle is gone because the main crew stayed behind in the future, and it was placed in the nebula to safeguard it until it catches up with the crew. So in season 2 we'll Red Angel Michael take Discovery away, then they'll take their shuttles to where she's waiting and find Zora has become conscious during the wait
Yea this theory has been getting sent to me here and on twitter; I REALLY like it!
It takes place in the 32nd Century
2257 + 930 = 3187
Calypso can still happen because does the AI tells us when the ship was ordered to stay in that nebula? answer is no it does not
This means sometime in the 32nd or 33rd Century it will be ordered to stay in that Nebula.
I cant tell if your agree with what I said in the video, or you didnt watch it?
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I have watched it and all it is theory
I am on about the facts
In the episode Calypso, the AI does not state when it was ordered in the Nebula, you are just assuming when that is with no facts to back it up
You stated you believe it is in the 4000s which does not add up,
Sorry but this just means you cannot do maths, ----> 2257 + 930 = 3187
@@privatecaboose250 So I think there might be a disconnect with what you think I'm saying in the video, and what my theory is. Just to clarify: my theory is that the Discovery sat in that nebula for 1000 years AFTER the time jump featured at the end of Disco S2. Which puts it in the 4000's. Everyone originally thought Calypso was 1000 years ahead of 2250's like you suggested, but that not necessarily the case.
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Ah ok you mean at the time of Calypso that would be in the 4000s? if so I agree
Or they just jumped back to their time let the crew off head out of there with all the shuttle that are more capable and leave it there for a thousand years remember the ship can travel back and forth through time if you can figure the drive correctly
The Galactic union
So sad
It’s important to note that the Federation and even Starfleet are not always the good guys. Kirk often found himself acting against the Federation in both timelines and Sisko was essentially a state sponsored terrorist. I feel it important to point out that Picard after Generations is much more like Kirk. More willing to stand purely on principle, more adventurous, and more willing to rebel against the Federation. It’s telling that Picard is not only going through an internal crisis like Kirk did in his days of retirement and as an admiral, but Picard for whatever reason is off “saving the Galaxy” as a privateer and not a Starfleet officer.
A far flung future in which the Federation has become outwardly as villainous as it was internally in the TNG, DS9 Days is not too much of a stretch.
I like the idea of the Federation becoming on overbearing/overprotective entity to the point of trampling on freedoms or even downright being evil. I think it would add some depth to the universe...but I'm not sure how folks would respond to such a change.
Ketwolski People will piss and moan no matter what. It’s not like we don’t have precedent for this anyway. Had men like Kirk not been around who knows the kinda stuff the Federation would have gotten away with. We’ve seen the Federation overstep it’s mandate and even fail to uphold its principles often. I mean just look at events like abandoning citizens and removing their rightful legal status when faced with Cardassian aggression, installing a puppet government to rule over the Klingons in Discovery, a vast number of legal and ethical violations by Section 31 in Into Darkness. I think people would be kidding themselves as to what the Federation would or would not do had the more libertarian minded captains not been around to fight back.
@@Ketwolski You already know how ST: Discovery's detractors are going to react. Without showing how the Federation/UFP drowned its morals and ideals in the swamp (Either in the Pichard or other Trek series), it would be seen as a (total) betrayal/abandonment of Gene Roddenberry's ideas on the future of humanity.
" idea of the Federation becoming on overbearing/overprotective entity to the point of trampling on freedoms or even downright being evil"
If the Klingons were supposed to be the embodiment of the (stereotypical) Trump supporter, in season one. Is the overbearing, tyrannical, trampling on (individual) freedoms. Just plain evil Federation a representation on their ideas on Democracy and Big Government, in season three?
@@Shapes_Quality_Control Personally I would be greatly disappointed if the 3rd season of Discovery shows the Federation into overbearing imperialistic super power trying to expand their territory with might alone as I see the Federation principles of peaceful cooperation in the search of the unknown and to better ourselves as the keystone what the franchise is
I'm not saying that I against to portray aspects of the Federation in less than favorable light when a crisis would cause someone to question these ideals (personally loved STVI and DS9 because it did just that), but that is different than turning the entire Federation into the enemy.
That being said and if that is were Discovery as a show is heading, I won't continually harped my disappointment over and over again in attempt troll the people who do like it
amazedsatsuma It’s somewhat difficult to see the Federation get to that point I know especially when considering that the Federation was Trek’s metaphor for America and American idealism. As of yet America has not come close to the point of being a tyrannical overbearing state so it’s hard to see the Federation come to that point. Given several hundred years though who knows.
Species, not races
The best thing they could do... discovery shows up. The federation freaks out and destroys the discovery and everyone on the ship and they mercifully end this garbage series. Discovery is not, nor ever has been Star Trek. Please Pile series. Or let the youtube fan series “Star Trek continues” write and develop more episodes of STC or let them create real starvtrek. The fan series “Star Trek Continues” episodes were award winning compared to the trash that Discovery is/was.
Your Theories May Introduce Archer And Daniels, To A New Audiences /Fingers Cross.
Bring me Captain Archer!! And his little dog, too! lol!
@@Ketwolski Now someone should Photoshop you with a witch's hat and green skin because that comment reminded me of the Wizard of OZXD
...through I think Nerdrotic and his ilk are the true Wicked Trekkies of UA-cam;)