Lightweight Free-Floated Smith & Wesson M&P10
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- The Smith & Wesson M&P10 is one of the lightest semi-automatic .308 rifles on the market. However, it is not free-floated and the factory handguards leave much to be desired for precision shooting. We set out to see if the M&P10 can be free-floated and modernized without compromising how light it is.
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This is the best video I have seen for m&p10 light weight mods
Thank you for the information. I have been considering getting one myself and adding those exact items you mentioned, except for the charging handle. Keep the videos coming.
That weight is pretty impressive. My PWS MK216(piston) comes in at 8.5lbs. Personally im more than happy to take that extra weight for the benefits as i run suppressed 98% of the time. Still would like to try one of these out some day. Absolutely love the PWS though.
Really an excellent job. You have provided many options, and the spreadsheet at the end was concise.
Thanks!
I like it. Local shop wants $1499 for an 18 inch version right now during this craze. Think Ill wait
David Z Historically it hasn’t been too easy to find them for closer to $1000. Great rifle regardless especially with the ambi controls. The only thing I’d cross shop it with for the price is the POF Rogue.
Really great video! You gave the info I care about! Weight! Just subscribed! Keep up the great work!
Glad you liked it! Update is coming with final configuration. Not so light anymore but not bad at all for what it is.
I appreciate your information. I plan on buying a M&P optics ready carbine shortly. I prefer the 16" barrel . Previous rifles with the same length barrel have preformed well for me at 600 meters. It won't be long before I will want to attach a bipod so a free float will be necessary. Thanks.
Update on the rifle/performance?
Did you ever get thos rig to the range? Im curious to see what the accuracy difference is vs with the oe handguard
Appreciate the attention to weight and spread sheet
Interesting. I made the exact same mods (brands and models) to my M&P 10's break, forgrip and charging handle. However, I went with the Gen 3 PRS and an off brand ergo grip (which I love). And I added a harris style (off brand) bipod. The rifle is heavy but, I don't mind. I use it for hunting in the winter and long range, precision target shooting in the off season. People think I'm an idiot for setting up a semi (instead of a bolt action) for precision shooting. That is until they hear me consistently clanging steel a half mile down range. :-) Thanks for the vid.
SUPster Thanks for sharing! Any footage of said clanging? :)
No. I don’t have the camera equipment necessary, yet. Been thinking about it though. Just not sure I’d be much of a poster. Thus, I’m a little hesitant to spend on cams instead of shooting gear... We’ll see. If I do, I’ll post a link as a reply to this thread. :-)
SUPster Smartphones these days are not bad at all for footage like that. Set it up steady and you'll hear the hits. :)
What barrel vise/action rod did you use for the barrel nut removal/install?
Your rifle is totally badass 😎👍💯🇺🇸
So how did it shoot after all the upgrades?
Just so you know, I subbed just for the comment "professional Polish person". bardzo dobrze!!
What kind of charging handle do u have ..?
I also have the BCM Charging handle on mine and have never had a problem with it
Does anyone know what specific free float rail this is? I'm looking to buy one and this one looks like it would fit the bill.
Trevor Sherf www.primaryarms.com/odin-works-308-15-5-m-lok-handguard-dpms-low-profile-f-15-ml-308-lp
I have to ask - can you spell out the name of the gas block you used? I want to look into grabbing one for myself. I would appreciate it.
Wojtek Weaponry
Great rifle!! I've gotta get one.. sexy ar and known for good barrels.
And he's a tnp'r?!? I'm subbing! Could you advertise prices paid so we can get an idea about how much well be getting into this total? As a Virgina citizen due to the recent changes in the political climate, I'm looking at the m&p and something very similar to your setup (you've pretty much done exactly what I've been thinking). after nutn's video been wanting to get a 762 for years now and the m&p seems like a no brainer. I believe it's in best interests to pull the proverbial trigger on this purchase finally!
Hey sorry for the late reply. Rifle $1000 + handguard $150 + trigger $160 + Gas block $30 + Muzzle brake $100 + Charging handle $50 + stock $40 + grip $20 = $1550 without optics
I looked into the ODIN works. There is some negative commentary I am concerned on with the installation. Some of the comments I have read include wording that has "The barrel nut (gas tube) aligning tool gets pinched in the gas tube hole in the upper. Removing it means you have to unloosen the nut your trying to tighten", the set screws strip and the handguards is not tight enough. I wanted to see if that was just a quark, or if Odin Works is solid. I am also considering diamonhead from its reviews. Thanks! Great video
was this a 16" or 18" barrel?
Great video!! Thx!! I love my M&P10. Rather than modifying my upper, I'd like to buy a complete and fully assembled free float upper. I heard it is difficult to find a complete upper for the M&P10, as all other brands just won't fit correctly. Additionally I heard S&W won't sell an upper for this rifle. Any suggestions? Very much appreciated!!
Unfortunately what you said is accurate. If you want the 308 M&P10 specifically, you would need to free float it yourself. The M&P10 Performance Center in 6.5 Creedmoor is free floated from the factory.
Parts list?
You used the low profile hand guard? When I measure mine according to what i see online , it measures for the high profile, but all forums as well as your video say to use the low profile. Does the low profile hand guard flush up with the receiver?
A. Andrew Wilson III DDS PA Yes, the low profile handguard fits perfectly.
wondering how you adjust the gas block under the rail.
Easiest way is to remove the rail if you won't be doing it often. Otherwise Wojtek Weaponry offers a long allen key just for this reason and also has newer gas block with more tactile adjustments.
The M&P 10 Sport is now available. Any thoughts on the new Sport 16 inch barrel version in comparison to the original in the 18 inch barrel?
I'm intrigued by the Sport because MSRP is like $400 less than the 18 inch. Hard to believe that is all due to the barrel and nothing else. You can pick up a Faxon AR10 barrel for much less than that and I doubt the 18 inch S&W barrel s any better than that. With that said, I have not tried the 16 inch but would not mind one for street price of $799 or so. If it is as reliable as my 18 has been, the ambi features alone make a strong argument for that price.
I’ve had the Sport 16” for a few weeks, only have 120 rounds through it so far. The 16” barrel is, or appears much hardier than the 18”. I could only get it out to 100 yards from my backstop, but couldn’t ask for more on accuracy. Federal soft tip 150 and 180 grain cycled smooth. But had issues with Federal 168 GM match not cycling, weak ejection. When I got home, the gas block was not fully tight. It’s a heavy hitter so must have come loose, loosing pressure. Scope rings kept coming loose too. Bring along some tools. I have high hopes now that everything’s tightened up
This is probably a dumb question but was your butt stock the commercial or mil spec version. Apparently those are 2 separate options and I don't want to get the wrong one for my m&p. How can I tell if I need commercial or mil spec?
They’re almost all mil spec now days. Can’t remember last time I’ve seen commercial. Last few I’ve bought for my ARs I didn’t even consider which tube it was - just assumed mil spec.
That thing is bad ass how much are they going for ?
Nice work. I'm looking to upgrade my m&p 10 also. What vise block did you use for tightening the barrel nut? Also, did you use loctite between the barrel and the upper when installing?
srfbig I have the wheeler upper vice block. It doesn’t fit perfectly on the bigger receiver but it’s close enough to work. It’s been a while so I don’t recall exactly what compound I used but there was definitely something recommended by Odin when installing their handguard nut. I’m sure it’s in their instructions. Sorry I can’t be of more help.
What adapter did you use on the odin works handguard, 2 or 2.06 or armalite 2.06?
I was wondering the same thing
I'm late to the party but I wanted to commend you on your focus on weight. I too am obsessed with weight. I modeled my Aero Precision after the M&P 10. I went with a 20" barrel which is why I have an 8Lb 4 Oz (naked) 308.
Weight matters. Every time a friend picks up my M&P10, they comment on how good it feels for a .308
Thanks for posting this. I've got a MP10 inbound, and I'm planning on doing some upgrades along the lines of what you have done. I'm new to MSR's, but not to basic gun smithing. Was any of the work out of the range of someone like me who is just getting into this platform?
Thanks very much.
The worst part of the entire thing, for me, was removing the roll pin from the factory gas block to get the gas tube out. Apparently a special tapered punch makes this a lot easier. Other than that, you will need barrel nut wrench, torque wrench, upper or barrel vise, and in the case of this particular handguard, a crowfoot wrench it did not come with but that I got on amazon for like $12.
Thanks for the tips, especially the tapered punch. You wouldn't happened to know the diameter off the top of your head?? I've got plenty of punches, but don't even know what a tapered one is for (well, I do now).
I think I've got everything else, or at least access to everything else via a friend who has done some AR pattern builds.
Thanks again for responding. Appreciate the info and insight.
@@TacticalAccountants do you have a link to that rail you used?
@@wcsdiaries www.primaryarms.com/odin-works-308-15-5-m-lok-handguard-dpms-low-profile-f-15-ml-308-lp
@@TacticalAccountants thanks!
We're accountants. We have a spreadsheet.
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Did you have to replace the gas block?
Yes, it has a Wojtek adjustable
Decided to go ahead and run with the free float idea. What a headache! Went with the Odin Works tunable gas block as the adjustable gas block will not clear the Aero Precision Atlas M5 R1 handguard. The gas block will not fit on the barrel. Can’t manage to punch the roll pin out of the factory gas block either. Smith said they push that pin into place with a 20 ton press. The complications go on and on. If you booger up the factory gas tube Smith will NOT sell you another replacement.
is this the 16" sport? or 18"
Mopar4life440 18”
Did the accuracy improve after installing the free float handguard?
Great video! Was your M-LOK rail the 2.0 or the 2.06?
It's the low profile DPMS one.
If you’re rails 15 1/2 inches it looks like your barrels only 16 1/2?
Maybe just a trick of the camera. If there were only a half inch difference between barrel and handguard, you really wouldn't see any of the barrel poking out there. With mine you do.
Excellent job. All practical information. Spread sheet worth its weight in gold. I too have had trouble removing gas block roll pins. You mentioned a "special tapered punch". Any specific recommendations on this tool and where to purchase it? . If you had it to do all over, how would you approach the gas block removal? Would you just have it drilled out again and not even attempt its removal on you own? This is the best video I have found on the topic. Please keep uploading.
Cargo 47 Glad this was helpful for you! In hindsight it would have been an easy job with a roll pin punch set. I purchased the one linked below to have for future projects.
www.amazon.com/Grip-Roll-Pin-Punch-Gunsmithing/dp/B003L7HOMG
TA-Just as an afterthought, wouldn't sinking an extra 10 bucks into a new gas tube be the easiest fix? You wouldn't have to worry about deforming the factory tube with all the heavy hammer work and you could just trash the entire factory block/tube assembly.
I only wish I had the patience to do a spread sheet for ANYTHING... definitely would be able to save enough money to buy at least one gun a month or two on the money I waist on stupid shit I don't really need
This setup is beautiful, very similar to what i want to do. I just got a m&p 10 sport (16" barrel). Any changes you've made to this build? How's it holding up over the years? Appreciate the video, thanks.
No changes. This one just feels right every time I take it out
Did you have any problem removing the gas tube from the block and how much money did you spend ?
Robert Entrekin I did, actually. Gas block itself easier than expected. Flash hider easier than expected. Barrel nut easier than expected. But gas tube roll pin was a PITA. I broke a punch trying. Roll pin punches are a good investment apparently. Local gun shop drilled it out for free, gas tube was fine.
All in I spent $1330 as you see it. Got the rifle for $999 and the rail for $130 from primary arms on Black Friday.
Thank you for the reply. I'v been thinking about free floating my MP10 but not sure if it is of any benefit sense I don't shoot that much. If Nut-n-fancy can hit 707 yd's without free float I'm not sure I need to.
Robert Entrekin That is a fair point. The problem with factory handguard as I see it is if you do mount a bipod to it and brace the legs hard against shooting mat loops, as I shoot when I'm going for precision, that is a lot of force acting on the barrel. I don't want that as a variable. But I'm 100% with you on nutnfancy's results piquing my interest on this rifle.
Tactical Accountants hey new sub here. How many malfunctions and how many rounds totals through your mp10
Rounds so far, literally 20-30. Malfunctions so far, 0 but that is not saying much. Hoping to put more rounds through it this week but it is chilly around here.
I thought all the MP10 were 16 inch barrels?
The original M&P10 had an 18 inch barrel. That's what mine is. 16 inch M&P10 Sport is a more recent addition to the lineup. Not sure if they make the 18 still.
Personal preference I'd keep the flash hider (I absolutely hate brakes/ comps! Lol)
So hows the performance man? Whats groups looking like? Is it picky with any ammo? Its a nice build no doubt.
Unfortunately I have not had a chance to shoot it much so far. Proper groups are coming just as soon as spring comes. Don't think it would be fair to compare to the Precision if the shooter's comfort level isn't consistent.
It is not picky with ammo with the gas block properly adjusted. With that said, I did have a few teething problems while adjusting it. I will upload that video soon. Thanks for your interest!
Tactical Accountants just ordered mine today. Should be shipped within the week. Let me know how it goes for you man. I'll be using mine for hunting as well so i want it as precise as possible.
M T Nice! Let us know how you like it. If you have any light primer strikes, take out the firing pin spring.
Different strokes I guess. I can definitely feel the difference in weight going from this to my Ruger Precision Rifle. Nice to hear yours is so accurate. I just bought some GMM 168s to try myself.
@@TacticalAccountants nice. Im looking to put a free float handguard on mine now, that will also have a bipod put onto it soon as well. Having trouble deciding what to get. Any insight?
Sawc compliant!
The factory muzzle device is stupid heavy, as is the steel gas block....using as short a lightweight handguard as possible lightweight gas block and a shorty light muzzle brake you can easily get the weight to 7.00 lbs and the weight will be much more centered.
10:03 shop smart. Shop S-Mart.
Personally, I don’t care for a charging handle that pokes me when I let the rifle hang,