Are You In Tune? Or Is Your Guitar In Tune? [They Are Not The Same Thing]
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- We talk guitar setup, theory, intonation, playing technique and, yes, guitar tuners…
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Welcome to the show! Get ready for a slightly meandering yet enlightening discussion about tuning. It may be simultaneously the most boring yet the very most fundamental aspect of all in the guitar playing world. [Fundamental, geddit?]
Thusly, we discuss how this electric Spanish gee-tar that we’ve come to love so much has a basic problem in terms of being in tune with itself. And then all the subsequent twists and turns we’ve learned to make it more so.
If your question is ‘What guitar tuner should I buy?’ then this really isn’t the video for that. This video should get us all asking a much deeper question about what being in tune means to us personally, and then working on our playing technique to make our music more harmonious - or indeed dissonant - as a result.
We did a simpler video on choosing a pedal tuner ages ago. Here it is: studio.ua-cam.com/users/videoOuMl...
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• Sonic Research ST-300 Turbo Tuner
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• D’Addario PW-CT-23 Pedal Tuner
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Amps in this episode
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Guitars in this episode
• 1965 Fender Telecaster - no video yet
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• Framus Mayfield Custom with Evertune Bridge - www.framus.de/en/Framus-.html
• Gibson Custom True Historic 1957 Les Paul Goldtop, Murphy Aged
Interesting bits and go-to sections
00:00 Intro & welcome
1:50 How the guitar is ‘in tune’
2:57 Tetrachord and Greece
4:29 440Hz and concert tuning
5:45 The guitar, frets and harmonics
8:10 Octaves integers thirds and fifths
9:08 Playing fretted notes and harmonics
10:00 The problematic major third
12:20 Everything is a compromise
13:42 How to tune your guitar?
15:35 Guitar tuning 101
16:26 The finger pressure problem
18:05 Tuning with harmonics
20:30 Get around pitchy E and G chords
24:02 Basic guitar setup advice
37:30 Squiggly frets?
38:03 Evertune bridge on Devy’s Framus
47:52 What about guitar tuners?
52:55 Sweetened tunings vs knowing your tuner
55:30 Bending strings?
1:05:05 It’s all about the player
1:10:28 Is prefect in-tuneness boring?
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I love these shows when you tell us about things I thought I already know and it turns out there's a lot I didn't know. You guys will never know how much your show has helped me. I was at rock bottom and you got me back playing guitar again. That turned my life around. I owe you a debt I can never fully repay
Ah man that’s AWESOME Brian. Please never see it as a debt - we’re just sharing a bit of enthusiasm that hopefully helps people find a groove they lost. Totally stoked to hear we’re of some genuine use. Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow If I could interject, its common knowledge even the most famous of music is not truly in tune in their own respects and regards. In my opinion its why 'autotune' has had such a negative impact on music, you got a perfectly tuned vocal over not so perfectly tuned instruments, it sounds like a cacophony cluster fook to a learned persons ear holes. Historically, I think this same effect played on the ears of early 19th Century Big Band and Classical lovers when they encountered Rock and Roll for the first time, perhaps? As scientific as you can get, perfection is an illusion, if you listen to blues, its auditorily subjective to my ears, but it sounds intentional to be out of tune in regards to the individual players style of play. Even David Gilmor admitted he couldn't play like Eddie Van Halen, and Eddies said the same thing about Gilmors style of play. I agree it all comes down to the individual player and how they deal with and incorporate their own sound to their unique tuning and feel,... Kinda like when the most famous of players like SRV said 'fookit!' and tuned down to Eb. If everything were perfect, life would suck harder than autotune music.
Good on you Brian. Giving fellow enthusiasts inspiration is what this community is best at. Well done you for grabbing it and making a difference for your own wellbeing. Rock on fella 👍
@@bulletsforteeth5029 yes yes, and yes,,,,and as the guitars off, I recall the piano seven worse..., and ha ha, wait a moment, how about a Harp!
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Where did Gimour say he couldn’t play EVH, or EVH say he couldn’t play like Gilmour? I’d love to read or hear that interview.
Mick! Orchestra stage manager here. The oboe plays an A to tune the orchestra. The specific A that's referenced is the A above middle C. They play an A because all the string instruments have an open A string.
Lots of pro orchestras will actually tune to A442 as tuning to A440 will put actual notes in common problem areas for "wolf tones" for the string instruments. A wolf tone is a sympathetic resonance in the instrument that produces a really crap sounding overtone.
Wonderful, thank you Del! I have learned something!
Great info
I have a guitar I bought thirty years ago and I didn’t play it for about twenty years because it’s resonant frequency was a slightly sharp D above middle C which made it difficult to impossible to play in tune. I pulled it out a few years back and it had changed after sitting in the case for a couple decades. Now it’s fine without the howling wolf tones whenever I hit a D.
Interesting, thanx!
Thanks for sharing that, it’s fascinating
I once heard an interview with a luthier (might have been Sadowsky, but I don't recall) who did a refret and setup on a vintage tele owned by Mike Stern. Everything was was set up "perfectly" but when Mike came to pick up the guitar he could not play it in tune. He had played the guitar on worn out frets for so long that he learned to compensate for tuning issues with pressure, microbends, etc. and had to re-acquaint himself with the guitar after the work was done.
Loving the show so far guys! Just a quick inside from a guitarist/French horn player, the oboe IN THEORY is made to be in A=440, but it never is... The reeds can go as far as 40 cents out of tune with humidity, temperature, and luck of the draw. The orchestra really tunes to the oboe because if the reed decides to be sharp that day, the oboe player can't adjust, so everyone else does! 😂😂😂
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Ah, cool. Didn't know that. Thanks. 👍
Oh wow. 6 years playing in an orchestra and I never knew.
This usually works except when mallets are involved, then idk how to adjust
If I don’t have a tuner handy, I always use the riff from Day Tripper to get in tune. It’s so ingrained in my head that I can get the low E in the right spot and go from there. The Beatles, keep an eye on them. They’re gonna be big.
I asked my wife about "Beatles", she said they're "bubblegum". I'm sticking with bands that can really play, like them Monkees.
I always used to do the same with the first note from REM’s “The One I Love.” Back when it was burned in my brain.
Who?
Been playing for decades, this answered questions I never even knew I had. Marvelous work gents!
Great video guys! ❤️
TPS x Ola - YESSSS
Do a Will It Chug with Dan and Mick. I suspect it will not...
It such a relief to realise that perfect tuning is the impossible dream.
I’ve spent weeks setting up guitars wondering why I can’t seem to get it quite right beating myself up about it.
Mick, the main reason a "dead" string won't intonate is that it goes "dead" (oxidised, dirty, worn, dented) unevenly throughout its length. Much like fret wear it depends on your playing habits. Uneven wear has the same effect as having uneven string gauge. That means that in your frequency, tension and mass equation, mass becomes a variable depending on where you fret the note.
I bet the high e is the one I notice this the most/earlier is because it proportionally has the least mass. So a bit of wear will affect it sooner.
Thanks for this, I have been perplexed as to how old strings won't intonate. Interesting stuff :)
Also, the ends of a string become less responsive as they age near the tension points (bridge & nut) effectively shortening the string length and affecting intonation over time
I remember seeing a video about a producer complaining that guitars were out of tune. The guitarist was sitting upright to tune then laying back on a couch to play. The weight of the neck laying flat pulled the guitar sharp. Such a temprimental instrument. Like a wild horse or an Italian car. Mental, impractical but nothing could be more beautiful. Love the video chaps.
What a wonderful analogy. And as a veteran of making probably thousands of videos featuring guitar players, I really feel the dood’s pain.
I like the Peterson strobe tuning things,- they very precisely tell me just how out of tune I actually am.
I'm pretty sure that Eric Johnson tunes his low strings slightly flat to compensate for the mass of the string bringing it up to pitch when struck with his mighty hand. And Bukovac recently said that "you're the only one who can tune your own guitars". I've always found there's that final tweak of the machine heads to match the instinctive sense of 'simpatico'. Great episode, thanks guys!
This whole episode was extremely interesting. Mick's comment at 1:03:34 that a big part of player's sound, what makes them sound like themselves, is how they deal with the guitar's innate intonation compromise is particularly huge. That really got me thinking, because everyone's ear is different as well as their musical tastes. His "theorem" at the end is a nice follow up to that.
On why old strings are hard to tune. Supposedly old strings develop flat wear spots where they contact the frets and those flat spots affect the vibration of the strings making them difficult or impossible to tune. I can't remember where I saw that.
My father always tuned an acoustic by ear, one string at a time (no reference notes). When I played it or put it on a tuner, it sounded absolutely *awful*. When he played it, it was the sound of a harmonious choir of sirens singing. He always told me to “play it in tune” rather than worrying so much. 30+ years on, and I’m there and I get it now, Dad.
Yes, yes , yes! I did much work in this area. You could make a guitar that was in perfect equal temperament with jagged frets. But the only interval truly in tune would be the octave. Most people wouldn't notice the 4ths and 5ths or 2nds, but the third and 6th is the farthest off.... You could make a guitar with jagged frets that was in a temperament that was perfectly Pythagorean, or Major as well; but they would only be in tune in one key. In other key intervals would be unacceptable even to an untrained ear.
However, all things being imperfect-(think playing with fretless instrument, lipped instruments and singers in different humidities and temperatures)-the rule of 18 was easy for people to measure: What is the rule of 18 in guitar?
The rule is sometimes called the "rule of 18". Basically, the position of the next fret, is the scale length, minus the displacement of the previous fret, divided by 18. It was close enough, and is still pretty close. Although the accepted number today is 17.817.
That being said, a scale is a contrived idea. Tuning used to be done "melodically," (one note played and then the next-which to an ear and brain has a time or memory element.) whereas people now tune strings together, or "harmonically."
The idea here is that pitch or tuning can be relative to the moment or pitch memory-not some prearranged eclectic pitch measurement outside the moment. (So instead of finding A440 or 441 or whatever before you play and fixing things to that, pitch tune can move with the notes of the moment-like how acapella singers retune to the current chord or a lone melodic line solo has no pitches to clash with (understanding their own timbre (overtones) and vibrato (self clashing). This is why the Well Tempered Clavier featured very contrapuntal arrangements-if notes with "rough" intervals don't sound at the same time there is minimal clashing in the moment. So tuning, temperament, and interval clash can have more to do with time and memory than any precise wavelength measurement. How could a note plucked today be out of tune with any note sung tomorrow? Then contemplate the extreme vibrato applied by violinists (or zitherists, players of viols) and singers what does that mean for tuning?
Next in referring to my own work, "Tunings and Temperaments and the Implications for Fixed-Pitch Instruments," there are wonderful challenges for organ builders, luthiers and builders of pipes, flutes, pianos etc. Lots of stories involve the cutting down of Stradivarius necks, etc.
In conclusion, training your ear, your vocal chords, your lips, and your fingers matter more than believing in only tuning to some electronic signal at some point before you start playing. Trust your melody to guide your harmony!!!!
This show was philosophically awesome and now I will look at my guitars very differently now. I had a 94 Fender Strat which was sadly stolen and no other Strat and Tele that I have purchased since compares to how I played on that guitar after more than 25 years of using it. I have never felt so excited as I am right now to restring my guitars. Nothing dry about this episode, this is one of your best!
Only that pedal show can keep my attention for over an hour on tuners and tuning! Lots of stuff I had no clue about! Awesome job!
Great video - I discovered lots of the stuff you explained over the years, but you helped fill the gaps! Thanks! What a lovely dog you have Mick!
Just want to give praise to your production team for doing such an amazing job over the years. Every show ive ever watched sounds phenomenal! Definitely helps that both Dan and Mick's playing is fantastic, but the people or person that is tasked with capturing the magic does an amazing job. Best guitar related channel out there.
It's all coming together. Have an experience day ticket for 24th of June. Coming over from Ireland. Accommodation is now booked, time of work confirmed and TPS band ticket in the bag now as well! Going to spend the week after touring the beautiful english countryside with my wife and daughter(who will be 10 months by then)! Getting super excited!
Yeah man! Really looking forward to meeting you Steve!
Champion itinerary! I’m one of the lucky few at the meeting & greet before Sundays concert. Which concert are you going to Steve?
@@djt6546 It’s on Thursday 23rd of June and experience day the day after. Looking forward discussions about gear without the customary eye roll I usually get from my wife 😅
@@stevewallek990 That’s perfect for taking fresh ideas and questions from the show into the Experience day. Have a blast Steve!
Great video from a great team...thanks, lads!
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Great show! I love learning things I didn't know that I didn't know. Especially over my morning coffee. Thanks and have a great weekend gents.
I've been playing for years and I knew that even with my intonated guitar, I still adjusted string tuning to my ear and not exactly what my tuner is saying. Now I know why. Thank you so much guys!
what a truly amazing episode! not at all boring! jam packed with interesting ideas, thanks so much for doing this!
Great show. I've been playing guitar for 30 years and you've just explained to me a load of stuff I'd noticed while playing but never new why it was the way it was, e.g. D always sounding kind of out of tune. Much appreciated.
Having been through several tuners I'm a happy user of the same Peterson pedal you use. After this brilliant episode I know why I'm sometimes still out of tune. Thank you so much, great stuff!
Very interesting topic! thank you guys and hope you're all good!
What you said about learning how to play a particular guitar in tune is very true. When you really know a instrument, you find that a you will instinctually adjust your playing to get it to sound right. I've had several instances where I'm playing a solo and it sounds good but its feeling strange under the fingers, I look down and realize that I'm a fret flat from where I mean to be and I'm using finger pressure and bends to get the notes into tune without thinking about it. Its cool and un-nerving when it happens. Great video!
That was very helpful and often mindblowing! Big thanks. Music & love.
Love the video as always gents!! I love the longer videos!!
Great video. On the surface, it’s like ‘a video about tuners, really?’ But the content of this video is fundamentally important to the instrument and rarely discussed elsewhere. Thumbs up and I subscribed! Thank you!
So much great information in here I’m going to have to watch this again.
Excellent video, as ever - genuinely insightful, enjoyable and inspiring.
One of my favourite episodes of yours, guys. Entertaining, educational and inspiring. Right, I’m off to play some guitar.
Great stuff. I've been playing for decades and I know all this, but it took me years to find out about it and piece it together - while it's essential info that people should hear about when they start playing the guitar
This is brilliant guys. So very well put over. The guitar tuning is alway a compromise, but your presentation of this is so clear and very valuable to fellow guitarists
This has to be the most practical video lesson you guys have done. Excellent !!!!!!
Thank you for doing this video! Ever since learning about just intonation, equal temperament, etc. on my pedal steel, I've struggled with thirds and learned that everything on a guitar is a compromise. Not enough people talk about this stuff. It's a never-ending journey lol.
PS. Mick, absolutely loving the colour of that new strat 🤘
Brilliant. Fascinating. The pressure explains so many things - like when trying to play a song like someone else - like the person who wrote it - because their version sounds great because of the intonation they get when they fret/bend, and anyone else would have to understand that to be able to copy/replicate it. Like Pete Thorn playing EVH's stuff - he gets it, possibly without even knowing why he's able to do it - he just spent enough time doing it until it clicked for him. Brilliant.
Fascinating episode, thanks fellas!
What a great show. I’m fighting an SG right now and struggling to figure out what’s a setup issue and what’s a “me” issue. I’m a fender style guy and the Gibson scale and style of frets is tough.
On another note, micks point about guitar players sounding like themselves because of how they intonate is so true. There are some guys than I love that are what I would consider artistically loose, tuning wise. Julian lage, Blake mills, Jim campilongo and bill frisell come to mind.
Terrific episode, gentlemen.
Informative.
Stimulating.
'Different' !
Thank you.
Harmony, tuning. It's all down to the relationship between the different instruments. And that's the only thing that's important, really. Another Friday, another giant lump of knowledge from our favorite duo.
These shows relax me please do more
This has answered so many questions and offered a few solutions for me, cheers guys!
Who would of thought a video about tuning your guitar at over an hour long could be so informative and interesting? Probably one of your best vids for a long time 👏👏
Thank you Ian!
I’m not even a quarter through this episode and I’m learning things I didn’t know and new ways to think about the guitar/octaves. Breaking it into division and fractions really helps my brain wrap itself around the idea and grasp it.
Loved this show! My Politune rocks! I don’t get to watch much of these hour long episodes since returning back to work but this one had me gripped.
Great show. I also remember when starting guitar in the early to mid 1980's gigging with a guitar player that owned an expensive Peterson strobe tuner and being very impressed by it. Now some 30-35 years later I am so fortunate to own several of the Peterson stomp type tuners. For some reason just easier for me to interpret over led tuners even if I'm purposefully trying to tune a string a bit sharp or flat. I have also, over the years, learned to hone down my guitar collection to just a few, very well made and set-up guitars that I can get all the tones I will ever need for my enjoyment.
Great, super informative video! Thank you gentlemen!
I'm a believer that a major part of connecting with a guitar immediately or after a period of time is down to the pressure you have to apply to the strings and therefore the effect on tuning leading to your connection beyond the initial feeling you get from the visual impact the instrument has on you when you first see it. Example Dan's son looking at the jag for the first time. The more experienced you get the quicker you can judge if simple by having the strings of your gauge choice fitted there will be a change to your pressure required, therefore the tuning stability for you and the improvement of your connection with the instrument.
Awesome episode!!!! Love this stuff.
Thank you for explaining this stuff. I’ve wondered why ask these tuning things happen for years.
This stuff is not boring.
This has been incredibly useful! Can’t believe I’ve been playing guitar for so long without appreciation for the vagaries and foibles of the open chord tunings.
Congratulations for not cracking up when you were lubing your nuts or pressing hard on your jumbo frets. That said, I had to sell my tele with jumbo frets because it was impossible for me to play it in tune. The physics behind the difference in the Tempered scale and Natural scale is that for harmonics the frequency doubles and the relationship between notes/octaves is logarithmic. Which is slightly sharper than the Tempered scale. Technically the natural scale is correct. If you get really deep into this the Blue Note will make sense.
Having played acoustic guitar for decades before seriously attempting electric guitar, I totally experienced the learning curve of relaxing my grip on electric guitars so that I play in tune. Conversely, it improved how I played acoustic guitars; especially during solos. Just relaxing my fretting hand tension a bit makes for a smoother groove and a bonus is an additional dynamic parameter for expression. Good stuff boys! Happy Friday!
Thanks, great video as usual
"It's all about the player" Glad I hung around for that light bulb moment. Thanks!
This is the only show that I willingly watch more than an hour of tuner discussion. Thank you for the content gentleman! Amazing as always.
Thank you Lincoln!
This is one of those episodes that I'm riveted to and only this group gets why it's so interesting. My go-to song to check I'm in tune has always been Crazy Little Thing Called Love, now I know why I do it and why I always wince a bit until I've slightly retuned.
Pretty fascinating, guys. Well done.
ABSOLUTELY I watched thru the whole thing!!! It's all in the details. Best "Tuning Masterclass" I've ever seen. (maybe only but that's not the point) haha
Really great show highlighting a critical issue. Not too dry at all. Well played, so to speak.
This makes so much sense. Thank you.
The Oboe is used to tune the orchestra because it has a loud, clear and stable tone … it’s tradition. The oboe player uses a tuner to ensure they are playing the pitch the conductor/orchestra want to play at. 442 is the new normal. The Berlin Philharmonic has played at 445 for years, that’s why they have a ‘brilliant’, brighter sound.
Hi Dan & Mick, Have a challenge ,Complete guitar rig by the decade 50's,60's,70's,80's,90's etc. Amp, Guitar, Pedals etc.Great show as always.Thank you also for the fantastic goodies from that Pedal show shop, First Class gear
I enjoyed every minute of this video. Well done fellas!
I had never heard of the tetrachord before !! so much makes more sense to me now... thank you so much Dan !!
Lubricating the nut is sooooooo important for tuning stability. I never realized it before buying a PRS SE 24 Custom. Brand new guitar and i couldnt figure out why my g string couldnt stay in tune, not only would it go flat immediately after fretting anything on that string, it would rise sharp after tuning it back up after fretting any fret. I gave it some thought i realized it was due to friction in the nut making the string catch in the slot. Tune it down, then the string slips and it goes flat, tune it up, then the string slips and it goes sharp, and after i lubricated the slot, problem solved. Even though tuning stability and the intonation problems of guitar might not be as exciting as new pedal, its so important and u guys did an amazing job as usual with your explanation of the topic. Love everything u guys do. Cheers mates!
EVERY guitar/bass player should watch this video.
Great video that will 'bend' a few minds :) ! Oboe does play the A (usually 440Hz but some orchestras do use 442Hz)
Polytune 3 and Snark SN-8 - love em both. Great information as always guys. TPS is . . . " Necessary "
Thanks for this. I will embrace the idiosyncrasies in the sound of my tuning and lean into the idea that it is my own unique tone.
Nice one fellers, it was the 'utility' videos such as these got me hooked on the channel initially.
Digging it
Not dry or boring at all, :D epically fascinating B1 & B2, keep up the great work!!!
When it comes to intonation, once having done the 12th fret adjustment I then check a fretted note in a common playing position, for example pressing the third fret on the low E string. It will be different to the 12th fret. I then find a compromise position between the third and the 12th fret. Then repeat this process with the other strings. The 12th Fret intonation procedure is good but we don’t always play at the 12th fret. I love your shows. Greeting from Sydney. Chris.
Thanks for covering my band in the opening guys! Sounded just like us 😉
Great video guys! I’m a guitar teacher and I only teach beginners to tune with a tuner until their ears get used to hearing stuff in tune BUT my classical teacher (had to study classical in music school but I grew up playing rock- was a great experience tho) showed me another great way to tune: tune everything to the high E like this:
Tune the B to the E at 5th fret
Tune the G to the G octave on 3rd fret high E
Tune the 4th string E on the 2nd fret to the open high E
Tune the open A string to the high E open (listen for oscillation)
Tune the low E to the high E (listen for oscillation).
It works well.
Thanks
The last statement from Mick is so true. It’s that being on the edge that makes the music sound great. It’s like just like playing to a click track. You can sound life less. It’s about playing in time but, playing in the groove at the same time.
Super good video!! 👏
Excellent, thank you gentlemen.
Brilliant I love the db meter on the right !
I really enjoyed this. My best buddy has such an amazing ear. Bad tuning drives him nuts. I bought the Peterson tuner just because he told me too.
I grew up playing brass instruments, and all this talk of intonation really resonates with me - on a brass instrument intonation starts with your core, you had to learn what "in tune" sounded and felt like.
Awesome, I just realized how important it is to NOT silent tune your guitar.
Usually, I set up by boss tu3 to be silent while tuning, which is good for live situations of course, but in the studio, I wanna start listening to it pass through.
I always set up my intonation and all that, but it's really when I tune while referencing chords that it really works for me. Chords and open, somewhere in between.
Cheers
The out of tune intro thing was creative. Just loved it haha, it was fun, and clearly you guys had fun too
The laugh when Mick realized the guitar lights up at 45:59 is just pure unfiltered awesome, cheers gents on another great show
Great stuff 👍🏻👍🏻
Excellent video... I am always aware of the 'situational' tuning I find myself in, exactly because of all the combinations you mentioned here factored in, make up how you sound. I was lucky enough to get a small amount of tutoring at University from the great Sorod master Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, who blew my mind with tunings and showed us about the notes between the semitones and how important they are.
Amazzing videoooo!!!!! regards from argentina!
That was a good show. Watched all the way through. Great seeing Devin's guitar. Reminded me of the start of the UA-cam video of "Deadhead" from the Albert Hall.
I often "relax" the top E after tuning, so that it 'sounds right' to me. Tuning is definately not just a case of putting each string in tune. The only thing is, after all that, a person may switch on a modulator pedal which sounds like a yodeller walking on leggo 😉
What faith you have to put out a nearly 75 minute video on tuning and tuners haha. You know your fan base well. Incredibly interesting stuff! Cheers!
Absolutely fascinating gents.
I watched an episode of tone talk where John Suhr (and someone else, sorry I can't remember who) were guests, John Suhr said that he sets intonation at the 1st and 13th frets not open and 12th as it takes away the inconsistencies of a badly cut nut. I also watched Joe Bonemassa talk about tuning, said he didn't wander from A440, said the guitar is an inprocise instrument, we've all been listening and that for decades don't worry about it
Top show legends thanks 😊
Some website I looked at said to find the E note on every string and tune that to pitch. This will result in equal temperament tuning. If you tune to octaves or unisons, you're fine. If you tune to perfect 4th and 5th, your tuning will be off because equal temperament tuning is supposed to result in 4th and 5th that are slightly flat of perfect. Professional piano tuners know how to "count the beats" to tune correctly. I.e., if you tune to pure 3rds, 4ths, and 5ths, you will not sound in tune.
Once I began tuning everything to one E note, I found myself less annoyed with tuning issues. I could just play without the nagging feeling that something was "off".
Not dry, great info!
Haha love this episode. The thing about the “compromise” makes a lot of sense.
Great show, guys! Would love to see a future show featuring an all Aus rig vs. an all UK rig. Much love!
Excellent episode!
So useful. Just bought a les Paul copy after being used to strats for a while. Seems to be really sensitive to out of tune d chord, luthier setup said is within 1% and is ok but now have some insights.