One additional thing manufacturers need to consider - colourblindness! I really struggle with differentiating between red and green, making many of the popular choices useless to me. Can anyone else relate? The StroboStomp HD seems perfect for us 'colour-inept' people, but what I really want is a cheaper alternative with colour options. Maybe not just for vision accessibility, but also for fun! (I would ADORE a purple display to match my purple strat)
@@-b0j- Yeah I currently have the Polytune 2 Blacklight but they're discontinued, sadly. They have the black Polytune 3 models out but still have the annoying red/green display!
To be fair, most modern tuners also use lights that move in distinct directions/rotations to denote sharpness and flatness, so as long as you can see the lights, you should still be able to figure out how to tune. The colors aren't really necessary. Also, I've seen tons of old-school tuners that are entirely monochromatic, so those do still exist somewhere...
@@Smitty_Werbenjagermanjenson yeah that's a fair point. Most of them have a strobe mode or similar but I like my LEDs stationary... and I think it's okay to want that.
I’ve frequently been frustrated by tuning issues on my Tele and eventually broke down and got the Petersen strobe tuner. I first did a complete intonation by fretting at the 5th and 17th frets (as recommended by Petersen) and adjusting accordingly while using their equal temperament setting (no sweetener). I then switched to the GTR guitar sweetener and tuned. An immediate improvement, I think predominantly from better intonation. Also, while the sweetener got very close, it still needed to be tweaked, and I recorded those offsets, making sure A was at 440 Hz. When I now tune the A to 440 and then tune to my offsets, it’s perfect every time. The take home - Petersen’s tools and methods have been a massive improvement, but in the end the final say say so came from my EARS....Thanks Pedal Show - while the topic may seem geeky and tedious on the surface, once done and understood it can completely transform the playing experience. 👍🏻
That is one of the most crucial bit on info in the video: when tuning, hit the string with the same velocity that you use when playing! It you pick softly when tuning but pick hard when playing, your guitar will always be sharp.
The strength of the PolyTune's polyphonic mode is in quickly checking that you're still in tune; hit the button (I use mine in mute mode; audience doesn't need or want to hear you tune), shwang the strings, and as long as you get one green bar across, you're good. If it shows one or more strings are out, tune those in the individual string mode. Priceless for trem divers, heavy benders and others that really wang on the strings without a locking nut; tap the tuner between songs just to check.
Being in tune is my favorite effect in a pedal. I played a stage show which favored red lights on the band. It was pretty nice to change the Peterson tuner to a green colored display that night!
Just a small correction; the polytune is more accurate when you use it in strobe mode simply because the strobe allows it to display at a finer resolution. To say that other digital “strobe” tuners are genuine “strobe” tuners is misleading. If it were a genuine strobe, it would have a light source and spinning wheel inside. The accuracy of tuning comes down to quality of ad converters and the quality of signal processing algorithms (fourier transforms etc.) to detect the frequency in a timely fashion.
I've wondered this as well. Like, I assume even the Peterson Strobostomp doesn't have a light source and spinning wheel inside. I find my Polytune 2 quite accurate in strobe mode, though I realize it's a display resolution thing. Good enough for me though!
This is absolutely right. Their website says the Polytune is only 0.5 cent accuracy in standard mode, but 0.02 cent in strobe. The TU-3W somewhat shockingly only has 1 cent accuracy no matter what mode it's in. That caught me by surprise. If I had to buy again, think I'd go Strobostomp over a Polytune 3 due to the known issues with the TC footswitch design.
The Sonic Research directly drives the LEDs with the analog signal at the same time as it strobes the LEDs at the reference frequency. This is as much a real strobe as you can get without a spinning wheel. Not sure about the Peterson.
@@EduardoVelezIII Sure, but there has to be a digital conversion in there somewhere. The interface is digital. But in any case, nowadays, digital sample rates out-resolve tuner accuracy requirements by a huge margin. As such, there is no practical disadvantage to be tuning in the digital domain. It really comes down to the quality of the A/D converters and the speed at which your pedal can crunch the numbers.
I've been using a tuning fork for for my acoustic collection, exactly 40 years! Now that I have ventured electric, Gibson Les Paul's etc...I 'm looking for a good tuner. This post was so very opportune. Guys don't short sell yourself's. You guys make every topic that's an hour show one great fast, enjoyable 5 minute entertaining and informative masterclass video Thank you Dan & Mick!! Greetings from sunny Los Ángeles California!
How can anyone get bored of how long these episodes are ?! there isn't one that these guys have done that is “too long” I love these guys just ace I could sit watch them for hours 👌
@@nickwilson9210 Yup the Boss app is pretty cool. I only moved to the DaTuner when I needed a steady Cent readout to try the James Taylor compensated tuning. PitchLabPro is a fun app too with all it's different modes and chord functions.
...ok so at 21:30 you make a great point about how hard you pluck the string being tuned...I was a pro touring tech for 20+ years, and even NOT tuning the harmonic and using the open "E" for example in a live situation ( meaning, tuning the guitar for the NEXT song, while the current song is being performed), I always attempted to mimic my guitarist's attack...it was a point of emphasis for us working together for years...it makes a difference...and I always used Peterson Strobe tuners backstage, whereas the last player I toured with used the tuner built-in to his Boss GT-3 effects unit onstage...
On behalf of many people I’d like to thank you guys. This is so helpful. Insomnia is a terrible thing and I think you’ve found the cure. I’m predicting a Nobel prize for medicine.
Love, love, love it! I own three Strobe tuners and I swear by them. With the Peterson Tuners' Sweetened tunings, they assume that the instrument is intonated properly, i.e. with the EQU setting. Never intonate on a sweetened setting preset (with the notable exception of a Buzz Feiten Tuning System equipped instrument, if it has BFTS, intonate with the appropriate BF Sweetener as it contains both intonation and Sweetened tuning offsets). Sweeteners do work, and they are not for everyone. Even tuning by ear with the 12th fret harmonic can be troublesome if the strings are old, or the intonation is out. etc. TurboTuner supports user programmed tunings, but they are not supplied. I have added the Peterson GTR and ACU settings to my TT Mini 300. And, Yes the whole band can be out of tune if they are using different tuners. Some tuners see 5c other 10c, but the strobes see .02c or .01c--unless you play with a pipe organ, then tune to the organ and pray ;). An hour on tuners and just scratching the surface. Thanks, Chaps.
As with a number of people here, I assumed I’d watch a bit and probably turn off. This was a really useful episode with loads of information. I’ve taken away a number of tips and I’ve been playing live for over 20 years. Thanks guys!
Now is a good time to point out what I've noticed for a few years now: Mick's hearing is ridiculously good. Absurdly accurate. Has anybody else watched an episode and seeing Mick banging away on something killer only to stop make some (to me at least) imperceptible tuning adjustment?
I always tune a string starting with a flat note. When my string is sharp, i make it flat, pull on it, then get it to the note I want. I think that you get more tuning stability that way.
House Mouse I haven't watched the video so they might mention this but I always tune up to the note to alleviate string tention before the nut. I haven't tried pulling on the string though.
Yes. Tune UP from a lower tension, helps settle the string over the friction points. Always tune each string UP several times until the whole thing settles, especially with a floating whammy system.
I love my korg pitch black. I think it’s some special edition or something...it has these huge triangular bars of light for tuning and it’s great. You can see them under any circumstance, bright or dark, near or far. That’s my biggest concern when it comes to live tuning. Most modern tuners are going to be plenty accurate for live performance
That tip from Dan on tuning with the 12th fret harmonics is a game changer. I used to always use the open string. Just started the harmonic method and my guitar sounds better already.
The older I get the more I am convinced that there are no absolutes in this life. You guys went down the tuner rabbit hole; you can do much the same for other facets of life. Humans like to simplify and categorize, it is how our brains work. Unfortunately, the universe doesn’t provide neat answers. Thanks again guys, I learned a lot.
I avoided this episode until now because I thought "what can this topic possible add?". Finally watched it. Amazing what I learned. I can't believe I put it off for so long! Thank you guys! Great episode!
Im loving my new TC Polytune 3. The Strobe Mode is Excellent, and a quick strum between songs - let's you quick-glance, if something is a little-off. I also like the new Ibanez Big Mini Tuner. I keep a little Snark SN-8 in my Acoustic Guitar case, which also works great. You 2 are Legends . . . to make this so interesting.
I'm just getting started with pedals and was looking for a comparison of the StroboStomp and the Polytune. Did not expect this wealth of information in such a digestible format! Thank you guys
Quick tip: If your tuner is struggling to read the notes quickly switch to your neck pickup. Less upper partials and more fundamental makes it easier for the tuner to determine the note. The same thing applies for tracking in things like digital octave pedals.
TC Polytune is an ingeniously designed machine. The all-six-at-once function is not quite as accurate as tuning the strings individually, but when your singer likes to launch from one song right into another with a 1 second pause, it's handy. Tuning guitars is always maddening. In the studio I find myself tuning for individual parts (say, 2 arpeggiated lines that go for 8 bars), tracking, and then tuning again for a different part. Tuning is so important on playback. Live... as someone else said, one second after you start playing things start to go. As long as you're trying to keep it close, you're okay.
Saddened you didn't get a Boss TU-100, but understand the requisite hire of Wembley Arena to fit it in would have probably made the episode very expensive.
15 minutes of infantile, middle school jokes and innuendos, vs. an hour of actual useful information? About 12 minutes longer than their average audience members attention span?(& half the info is wrong)What's that you say? No comparison, just similar accents.
A true reflection of my life: cup of tea, 339 on the knee, actually excited to watch two blokes talk about what might be the most boring subject on earth. Well done for making it work! I’ve been hanging my nose over the Peterson, but my Korg pitch black has never let me down. Might fancy one of the smaller ones of that.
When I saw todays title, I thought 'light news week', however I found the whole discussion very interesting and somewhat enlightening too. Cheers fellas :)
There's a really good book on the whole tuning compromise thing: 'How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony and Why You Should Care'. It's very accessible to read!
19:21 That's awesome because that's exactly what I figured and how I tune as well! I'm still a newb but it just made sense to me from the begining. Granted I've spent a lot of times with things mechanical- working on cars ETC. But good to know that I assumed correctly 😎🎸 My fender hellcat seems to like that way as did my old ibenez. However my CU24 PRS I don't believe it matters as much if at all. Of course that guitar is worth way more then those 2 combined but.
After reading thumbnail i wasnt sure if this one's for me guy's turns out i was wrong . I learned alot more then i thought i would do. so thanks, oh also the look on micks face when dan mentioned should a band tune using the same tuner was priceless. Lol 👍
TC Polytune 3 is what I use on my 3 boards. I like that you can strum and see all of your strings that are out of tune. Plus it has a nice buffer built-in.
Based on your four important criteria (I agree whole heartedly), I had just purchased recently Peterson's new StroboStompHD tuner. It is incredibly accurate first and foremost and the ease of viewing is hard to beat. I also have their StroboClip version which is very handy to have if your pedalboard is not with you. Also have their phone app and it's just as accurate as their others. Great combination, never without a Peterson!. They are #1 for very good reason. Thanks for the show
Thank you for sharing the information, I am in the market for a tuner myself, and this is very helpful. @31:45 FYI, all the notes does NOT come from the same string. the major scales as we all know today comes from the First non-tonic harmonic. i.e. C -> first non-tonic harmonic is G. then we take that note and repeat the process. G -> D. repeat again D -> A, A-> E the first 5 notes is C, G, D, A, E. can be rearranged to a pentatonic scale C D E G A. that's why pentatonic is such a strong scale. now if we continue the process with E, then E ->B, B-> F#. this become the lydian mode. as you can see in early church music, lydian mode is very prominant. continue with F# -> C# -> G# -> D# -> A# -> E# (F) -> back to C and that's how the 12 notes comes about. however, if you tune it purely to harmonics through the 12 notes, you'll be way sharp. however, if you are violin with 4 strings, you'll be a little bit sharp, and that helps the sound to cut through.
Good episode! Wasn’t sure how you’d fill nearly 58 minutes with tuning info, but it was over before I even noticed the elapsed time. :) I like Peterson’s GTR sweetened tuning with shorter scale (below 25”) electric guitars, but with 25” and longer scale lengths I go with the unsweetened EQU…just sounds better to my ears. I also prefer GTR for acoustic guitars regardless of scale length. With certain guitars I’ve also just learned over time to tweak certain strings a little sharp or flat.
I've seen this video come up on suggested videos and avoided it like an std, until I recently bought a Tom Anderson guitar the Buzz Feiten tuning system, so straight away I bought the Peterson strobe tuner as it has the BFE setting and there is a noticeable difference on open chords. Great channel guys, cheers.
One thing I don't get, this thing about strobe tuners, but these are digital tuners are they not? Is not the "strobe" just the display mechanism, i.e. nothing to do with an actual strobing disc or whatever? Or am I missing something?
Lorry Here; i must say, when i first saw the title of the episode, i may have rolled my eyes. However- i found it incredibly interesting and informative, well done chaps! Giggling to myself that ive been watching religiously for years, yet mt first comment is on a tuner video.... haha!
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Hi Dan and Mick, Excellent Video 👍👍👍. Really interesting, 56 minutes on Tuners actually flew by, the Peterson Tuner looks very cool! Take care ♥️👍. Melbourne, Australia.
I've had the Peterson pedal for a couple of months now, after using a Peterson clip-on for years. I love the pedal! One of the useful things for me as a slide player that you didn't cover was the fact that Peterson includes sweetened tunings for Open G, Open D, Open E, etc, etc. These tunings are Guided Tunings, which don't display the note but instead the string number. Using the string number means that you can switch quickly from one tuning to another without having to remember (or reconstruct) the string sequence for each tuning.
The biggest thing you missed is that some tuners offer true bypass or buffering (ie, Polytune and Boss), and some offer two output lines so you can send one dry signal to your DI with no effects for post production altering, and a separate one through your pedalboard/amp first. That’s the biggest reason I went with the Boss Waza tuner, because it has two outputs, buffering, and true bypass, along with both chromatic and strobe tuning options.
I'm looking at getting my first tuner pedal. Seems like what I have seen and read, the Boss TU3 Waza is a really solid choice and I'm thinking that is what I am going to buy.
Fabulous. Thank you so much for this! One issue I had with the TC PolyTune was that the LEDs were too bright for me. They were so bright that it was a struggle to read the display. I'm curious as to whether anyone else has had this issue. I replaced it with the D'Addario, which is quite good, although not as accurate as a strobe tuner. Lately, I've been lusting after a Peterson StroboStomp, but based on this video, I'm going to give the Sonic Research a try.
An hour of talking about tuners? At first, I was like, “What? Well, I’ll give it a few minutes.” Then I sit fascinated for a full hour. One of the best videos on the channel.
Not so suddenly. Dan has always been throwing Jazzy bits into his TPS playing. He studied Jazz music at college in his youth I believe. Oh wait. Did I just get baited and hooked over the detuned shenanigans ??
It's called a strobe because the input signal was amplified and used to modulate a lamp shining on the divided wheel. The strobing of the lamp caused the division markings appear to stop in space. To improve accuracy there were multiple sub divisions of the markings. The larger divisions allowed you to get from way off pitch to close at which point the small divisions would start to slow down and stabilize and you could fine tune from there using the smaller divisions. The so called strobes these days digitally mimic these concentric divisions. I spent the middle '70s selling pianos and we were all taught to touch up tunings using the original Conn strobes. There were charts for each piano saying how many cents to offset each note. As you demonstrate low pitch strings tend to sound sharp as they're struck hard. Higher pitches tend to sound flat to the ear. So pianos are tuned with a "stretch" where the bass is set flat and the treble is progressively sharp. Very experienced piano tuners do this by ear, the rest of us used charts provided by the instrument maker. Electric pianos like the Rhodes or Whurly are similarly stretched. Hammond organs and most synths are not. So you can go crazy getting chords in tune depending on what you're playing with. I've long tuned the B and high E slightly sharp to make notes higher up sound in tune with Rhodes and sound "brighter".
Steve Kirby I apply the same stretch principle on guitar strings; based on experience it’s what sounded best to me. I consider people who tunes pianos mostly by ear admirable. And yes, analog synths can be problematic regarding running, an ever present touch of vibrato can help sweetening that perception and be easing for the brain :-)
Lovely. Dan explaining a strobe tuner with how a turn table speed adjustment works. Feels to me like watching an event in an old peoples home, ha ha. But maybe we are the core audience. I mean, we "seasoned" players. :-)
Ha! It’s not old school, it’s the school. To quote James Gadson again. Kids will realise that digital sounds boring when they hear analogue at a pivotal moment. Mick here.
I’ve watched tons and tons of tps videos. Despite Mick constantly throwing out a “boring” disclaimer this might me my most interesting and valuable watch. If we’re not in tune the watch the point? The 432 thing is interesting because I’ve always noticed that my guitar sounds a little better barely flat. I use a Peterson strobe tuner so I don’t mean intentionally flat but I mean it’s impossible to get those circles to freeze so I err on the side of rolling slightly flat. Sounds better. And yes as experienced guitarists we all tend to flatten the g string (sometimes b) a bit on the fly to get more “sympathy”. I have one LP that has such a chewed up and worn out bridge but has perfect intonation and stays in tune forever with almost no effort so I dare not replace the bridge.
Took me until 18:26 to figure out the anagrams!! Great video guys; I learnt loads from this. Most tellingly, 432Hz sounds like (when you've put your jumper on back-to-front), feels.
I've been in the market for a new tuner since my 1st generation polytune shit itself 3 weeks ago and I've suffered through many crushingly boring tuning videos. Somehow, you guys have made this informative, educational, interesting AND entertaining! It's the last tuner video I'm watching - I'm ordering a Strobostomp! Hey Dan, greetings from Perth, Straya!
I’ve been using a Peterson strobe tuner for years, and for me- I’ve been using the sweetened tunings, and swear by them... Tuners are so incredibly important- thanks for taking on such a daunting and personal subject!
As usual, I learned something useful, interesting, and entertaining by watching TPS 👍 Had my doubts on a show about tuners but gladly proved wrong. Certainly the reason why I’ve been watching for 3+ years 🙂
I can’t believe I actually sat through this… I learned a lot about tuners and tuning because of you guys. Now, I need to mess with my Strobo and figure it out. Thanks for the education.
Hey! Have you ever tried to play along "castles made of sand"? The tuning on that song seems to sit in between Eb and E. Funny how I always found this song to sound great but never noticed that it was tune in a totally different way than the usual Jimi's Eb until playing alongside it! Just a funny fact I noticed recently ;D.
Try tuning to 432 hz in standard tuning, it kinda gets you there, there's a lot of myth regarding that tuning but some artists have done it, some other song examples are skinny love by bon iver and california stars by wilco!
@@martinfuentes7260 :) yup I think you're right but my tuner doesn't do 432Hz so I have to tune to whatever sounds close enough to my ears. I think that's what Jimi would have done back then :D
Very informative. No mention of the humble 440 hz tuning fork - my 1st tuner back in the 1980s - still use it when restringing my guitars as a test of my "head pitch" - useful if you sing. Thanks again
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Haters: your episodes are too long
Dan and Mick: here's an hour of tuning
You bet!
Don’t listen to anyone who says the episodes are too long, they’re probably Brexit voters.
@@thebossandthebeestonstreet9493 Brexiters tune by ear. They don't rely on facts.
This gave me a genuine chuckle
Haha, just clicked play, then said, wait a sec, and checked the run time... immediate like
You guys didn’t even talk about tuner stacking. I’m running 6 on my board.
That's all you need - 6 tuners into 2 metalzones.
Gotta get that ultra-buffered toan my dude.
But do they chug?
“This turner goes to 11“
I can't use anything with a needle, my sponsor said its too much of a trigger for me
This was my favorite episode. It needed to be done. Great as always
Phillip! Thanks man. :0)
He was being sarcastic
One additional thing manufacturers need to consider - colourblindness!
I really struggle with differentiating between red and green, making many of the popular choices useless to me. Can anyone else relate?
The StroboStomp HD seems perfect for us 'colour-inept' people, but what I really want is a cheaper alternative with colour options. Maybe not just for vision accessibility, but also for fun!
(I would ADORE a purple display to match my purple strat)
TC Polytune have alternative colour options for the very reason you've mentioned.
@@-b0j- Yeah I currently have the Polytune 2 Blacklight but they're discontinued, sadly. They have the black Polytune 3 models out but still have the annoying red/green display!
To be fair, most modern tuners also use lights that move in distinct directions/rotations to denote sharpness and flatness, so as long as you can see the lights, you should still be able to figure out how to tune. The colors aren't really necessary. Also, I've seen tons of old-school tuners that are entirely monochromatic, so those do still exist somewhere...
@@Smitty_Werbenjagermanjenson yeah that's a fair point. Most of them have a strobe mode or similar but I like my LEDs stationary... and I think it's okay to want that.
The same way you know to stop or go at an intersection. Go with led location not color
1 hour of tuner talk... THIS IS A MUST SEE!
Damn. Right?
Willem Kerpel or HEAR!
I’ve frequently been frustrated by tuning issues on my Tele and eventually broke down and got the Petersen strobe tuner. I first did a complete intonation by fretting at the 5th and 17th frets (as recommended by Petersen) and adjusting accordingly while using their equal temperament setting (no sweetener). I then switched to the GTR guitar sweetener and tuned. An immediate improvement, I think predominantly from better intonation. Also, while the sweetener got very close, it still needed to be tweaked, and I recorded those offsets, making sure A was at 440 Hz. When I now tune the A to 440 and then tune to my offsets, it’s perfect every time. The take home - Petersen’s tools and methods have been a massive improvement, but in the end the final say say so came from my EARS....Thanks Pedal Show - while the topic may seem geeky and tedious on the surface, once done and understood it can completely transform the playing experience. 👍🏻
@@paulbtaylorpt if you are having tuning problems with a tele then SOMETHING is wrong
Only That Pedal Show can get an hour-long show out of tuners... and not suck.
That is one of the most crucial bit on info in the video: when tuning, hit the string with the same velocity that you use when playing! It you pick softly when tuning but pick hard when playing, your guitar will always be sharp.
I'd like to think that guys went into tuning techniques as well as tuning toys. I guess I'll know soon enough.
The strength of the PolyTune's polyphonic mode is in quickly checking that you're still in tune; hit the button (I use mine in mute mode; audience doesn't need or want to hear you tune), shwang the strings, and as long as you get one green bar across, you're good. If it shows one or more strings are out, tune those in the individual string mode. Priceless for trem divers, heavy benders and others that really wang on the strings without a locking nut; tap the tuner between songs just to check.
Great episode. I learned allot
Sometime I tune the G-string too quickly because of my nut........
I'll show myself out..
Polytune quality control sucks! Both Polytune pedal & clip on tuners crapped out within 1 year & their customer support is nonexistent!
*precision* is how small of a difference it can show you, accuracy is whether it's actually right or not
Perfectly explained, a lot of people don't know this. I didn't learn the distinction until I went to school to study chemistry.
I want an hour on Altoid tins.
Got home from a party and was hoping to use this as a sleeping aid. I was wide awake enjoying the whole thing! Well done lads.
Dan leaving the film on the screen so Mick can peel it off because he knows he’ll like it, is one of the sweetest things I’ve ever witnessed.
You don't get out much, do you.
Being in tune is my favorite effect in a pedal. I played a stage show which favored red lights on the band. It was pretty nice to change the Peterson tuner to a green colored display that night!
Just a small correction; the polytune is more accurate when you use it in strobe mode simply because the strobe allows it to display at a finer resolution. To say that other digital “strobe” tuners are genuine “strobe” tuners is misleading. If it were a genuine strobe, it would have a light source and spinning wheel inside. The accuracy of tuning comes down to quality of ad converters and the quality of signal processing algorithms (fourier transforms etc.) to detect the frequency in a timely fashion.
I've wondered this as well. Like, I assume even the Peterson Strobostomp doesn't have a light source and spinning wheel inside. I find my Polytune 2 quite accurate in strobe mode, though I realize it's a display resolution thing. Good enough for me though!
This is absolutely right. Their website says the Polytune is only 0.5 cent accuracy in standard mode, but 0.02 cent in strobe. The TU-3W somewhat shockingly only has 1 cent accuracy no matter what mode it's in. That caught me by surprise. If I had to buy again, think I'd go Strobostomp over a Polytune 3 due to the known issues with the TC footswitch design.
@@metal571 if you're concerned about the tc switch just get a Tele. You'll only have to hit the switch once.
The Sonic Research directly drives the LEDs with the analog signal at the same time as it strobes the LEDs at the reference frequency. This is as much a real strobe as you can get without a spinning wheel. Not sure about the Peterson.
@@EduardoVelezIII Sure, but there has to be a digital conversion in there somewhere. The interface is digital. But in any case, nowadays, digital sample rates out-resolve tuner accuracy requirements by a huge margin. As such, there is no practical disadvantage to be tuning in the digital domain. It really comes down to the quality of the A/D converters and the speed at which your pedal can crunch the numbers.
What's better than a UA-cam video about guitar tuners? A podcast about guitar tuners! LoL. Thanks guys, love what you do.
Thanks!
I've been using a tuning fork for for my acoustic collection, exactly 40 years! Now that I have ventured electric, Gibson Les Paul's etc...I 'm looking for a good tuner. This post was so very opportune. Guys don't short sell yourself's. You guys make every topic that's an hour show one great fast, enjoyable 5 minute entertaining and informative masterclass video Thank you Dan & Mick!! Greetings from sunny Los Ángeles California!
How can anyone get bored of how long these episodes are ?! there isn't one that these guys have done that is
“too long”
I love these guys just ace I could sit watch them for hours 👌
Sitting in my bed, with a broken leg, an out of tune guitar in my hands and nowhere near a tuner...
Best reference to tune my strat!
Ain't that lucky!
Get well soon.
Dimitris Kovaios just download a tuner the boss one is free
@@nickwilson9210 Yup the Boss app is pretty cool. I only moved to the DaTuner when I needed a steady Cent readout to try the James Taylor compensated tuning.
PitchLabPro is a fun app too with all it's different modes and chord functions.
@@johannesdegen9225 thank you!
Wow, I can't believe I spent 57 mins of my life on a guitar tuner episode... and yet feel both educated and entertained. ;-)
You guys rock!
The Captain & Danish Pete: here's a 20 minute video on guitar tuners!
TPS: Hold our beer....
...ok so at 21:30 you make a great point about how hard you pluck the string being tuned...I was a pro touring tech for 20+ years, and even NOT tuning the harmonic and using the open "E" for example in a live situation ( meaning, tuning the guitar for the NEXT song, while the current song is being performed), I always attempted to mimic my guitarist's attack...it was a point of emphasis for us working together for years...it makes a difference...and I always used Peterson Strobe tuners backstage, whereas the last player I toured with used the tuner built-in to his Boss GT-3 effects unit onstage...
I learned a surprising amount from this episode! I’d only watch TPS talk about tuners for an hour. Thanks gents👍
I love it when you guys (especially Dan) laugh, while the tail is still going, as you laugh in mute and it's hilarious!
20 years of playing guitar and today was the first time I heard of the 12th fret harmonic rule. That's why TPS rocks
On behalf of many people I’d like to thank you guys. This is so helpful. Insomnia is a terrible thing and I think you’ve found the cure. I’m predicting a Nobel prize for medicine.
0:50 Me to the guitarist in the band: "Can you tune please?". Guitarist: "What? It's fine. I don't hear anything wrong with it".
Ruben van Kruistum “I tuned before I got here”
You must play with shitty guitarists.
This is actually the episode I've been waiting for!!! Especially as soon as I saw that Peterson StroboStomp in your NAMM video. Thanks fellas!
Very sharp video guys, night and cheese ! ... felt flat on seeing the title but you tuned me in
Wow. I can't believe you held my attention for the whole thing!
This was really fascinating!
Love, love, love it! I own three Strobe tuners and I swear by them. With the Peterson Tuners' Sweetened tunings, they assume that the instrument is intonated properly, i.e. with the EQU setting. Never intonate on a sweetened setting preset (with the notable exception of a Buzz Feiten Tuning System equipped instrument, if it has BFTS, intonate with the appropriate BF Sweetener as it contains both intonation and Sweetened tuning offsets). Sweeteners do work, and they are not for everyone.
Even tuning by ear with the 12th fret harmonic can be troublesome if the strings are old, or the intonation is out. etc.
TurboTuner supports user programmed tunings, but they are not supplied. I have added the Peterson GTR and ACU settings to my TT Mini 300.
And, Yes the whole band can be out of tune if they are using different tuners. Some tuners see 5c other 10c, but the strobes see .02c or .01c--unless you play with a pipe organ, then tune to the organ and pray ;).
An hour on tuners and just scratching the surface. Thanks, Chaps.
As with a number of people here, I assumed I’d watch a bit and probably turn off. This was a really useful episode with loads of information. I’ve taken away a number of tips and I’ve been playing live for over 20 years. Thanks guys!
Ah that’s awesome. Thank you Matthew!
Now is a good time to point out what I've noticed for a few years now: Mick's hearing is ridiculously good. Absurdly accurate. Has anybody else watched an episode and seeing Mick banging away on something killer only to stop make some (to me at least) imperceptible tuning adjustment?
Yeah, I notice it all the time. He did in constantly in the ATB vintage video, he's got a great ear for sure
37:48 beginning of Urgent by Foreigner.
Mick in the first minute = my 3 year old every time I try to play guitar with her in the room...
Dude for real
Lol 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Haha
Right there with ya!
Moo
Same here with a 2yo :D
I would assume that rack tuners are currently more geared towards backstage techs
I always tune a string starting with a flat note. When my string is sharp, i make it flat, pull on it, then get it to the note I want. I think that you get more tuning stability that way.
House Mouse I haven't watched the video so they might mention this but I always tune up to the note to alleviate string tention before the nut. I haven't tried pulling on the string though.
Yes. Tune UP from a lower tension, helps settle the string over the friction points. Always tune each string UP several times until the whole thing settles, especially with a floating whammy system.
... and then go through all machinations of the song you're about play- bends, pulls, whammy dives, etc ... and then, check it again!
the intro (0:35) sounds like every music store i've ever been in. Great show guys!
The Polytune has different accuracy values depending on the mode: Chromatic tuning mode: ±0.5 cent / Strobe tuning mode: ±0.02 cent
Is the Polytune the best?
I love my korg pitch black. I think it’s some special edition or something...it has these huge triangular bars of light for tuning and it’s great. You can see them under any circumstance, bright or dark, near or far. That’s my biggest concern when it comes to live tuning. Most modern tuners are going to be plenty accurate for live performance
Don’t do what a friend used to do and put the tuner after the chorus pedal....
I've done it. Confused me for longer than I'd like to admit.
"A friend".. You're in a safe space here, it's okay.
Well... It's fine if the chorus is turned off.
By the way, Dan has shown the level friendship he has with Mick by letting him remove the screen protect on the Strobo Stomp... priceless
That tip from Dan on tuning with the 12th fret harmonics is a game changer. I used to always use the open string. Just started the harmonic method and my guitar sounds better already.
This only works if you are absolutely sure your instrument is intonated properly
@@GrimYak No, the 12th fret harmonic is always intonated, it's the fretted note at the 12th that needs to be intonated
Fascinating interesting educational BRILLIANT and bloody hilarious show! Thanks men!
The older I get the more I am convinced that there are no absolutes in this life. You guys went down the tuner rabbit hole; you can do much the same for other facets of life. Humans like to simplify and categorize, it is how our brains work. Unfortunately, the universe doesn’t provide neat answers. Thanks again guys, I learned a lot.
I avoided this episode until now because I thought "what can this topic possible add?". Finally watched it. Amazing what I learned. I can't believe I put it off for so long! Thank you guys! Great episode!
Im loving my new TC Polytune 3. The Strobe Mode is Excellent, and a quick strum between songs - let's you quick-glance, if something is a little-off. I also like the new Ibanez Big Mini Tuner. I keep a little Snark SN-8 in my Acoustic Guitar case, which also works great. You 2 are Legends . . . to make this so interesting.
I'm just getting started with pedals and was looking for a comparison of the StroboStomp and the Polytune. Did not expect this wealth of information in such a digestible format! Thank you guys
Quick tip: If your tuner is struggling to read the notes quickly switch to your neck pickup. Less upper partials and more fundamental makes it easier for the tuner to determine the note. The same thing applies for tracking in things like digital octave pedals.
TC Polytune is an ingeniously designed machine. The all-six-at-once function is not quite as accurate as tuning the strings individually, but when your singer likes to launch from one song right into another with a 1 second pause, it's handy. Tuning guitars is always maddening. In the studio I find myself tuning for individual parts (say, 2 arpeggiated lines that go for 8 bars), tracking, and then tuning again for a different part. Tuning is so important on playback. Live... as someone else said, one second after you start playing things start to go. As long as you're trying to keep it close, you're okay.
Saddened you didn't get a Boss TU-100, but understand the requisite hire of Wembley Arena to fit it in would have probably made the episode very expensive.
A vid I did not want to watch . . . . but then. . . . . I realized where it was going. . . . absolutely brilliant!
Andertons: 19 minutes 22 seconds / TPS: 57 minutes 51 seconds #rabbithole (love you guys)
15 minutes of infantile, middle school jokes and innuendos, vs. an hour of actual useful information?
About 12 minutes longer than their average audience members attention span?(& half the info is wrong)What's that you say?
No comparison, just similar accents.
@@markferguson3745 What ?? Looks like you didn't get the joke 🖖👽
@@voxfazer9154 No , man,- I got it; just expanding a bit, no worries.Maybe a bit too much shade for the season, I admit.
You would think this would be a boring topic but...an extremely informative video. I learned much. Hello from Nebraska USA
The anagram shirts are awesome! Now you need to do a wah show wearing “THE TOP WAH LADS” shirts.
A true reflection of my life: cup of tea, 339 on the knee, actually excited to watch two blokes talk about what might be the most boring subject on earth. Well done for making it work! I’ve been hanging my nose over the Peterson, but my Korg pitch black has never let me down. Might fancy one of the smaller ones of that.
When I saw todays title, I thought 'light news week', however I found the whole discussion very interesting and somewhat enlightening too. Cheers fellas :)
I love this channel. The info is great. It's also fun to play a drinking game with: Take a shot every time Dan says 'However '.
There's a really good book on the whole tuning compromise thing: 'How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony and Why You Should Care'. It's very accessible to read!
19:21
That's awesome because that's exactly what I figured and how I tune as well! I'm still a newb but it just made sense to me from the begining. Granted I've spent a lot of times with things mechanical- working on cars ETC. But good to know that I assumed correctly
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My fender hellcat seems to like that way as did my old ibenez. However my CU24 PRS I don't believe it matters as much if at all. Of course that guitar is worth way more then those 2 combined but.
After reading thumbnail i wasnt sure if this one's for me guy's turns out i was wrong .
I learned alot more then i thought i would do. so thanks, oh also the look on micks face when dan mentioned should a band tune using the same tuner was priceless. Lol 👍
Very helpful really appreciate this channel content and you! Thanks
TC Polytune 3 is what I use on my 3 boards. I like that you can strum and see all of your strings that are out of tune. Plus it has a nice buffer built-in.
What position in your pedal chain do you put it?
20:00 to add to that when I tune down to tune up to the note I pull on the string a bit before tuning up.
Based on your four important criteria (I agree whole heartedly), I had just purchased recently Peterson's new StroboStompHD tuner. It is incredibly accurate first and foremost and the ease of viewing is hard to beat. I also have their StroboClip version which is very handy to have if your pedalboard is not with you. Also have their phone app and it's just as accurate as their others. Great combination, never without a Peterson!. They are #1 for very good reason. Thanks for the show
Thank you for sharing the information, I am in the market for a tuner myself, and this is very helpful.
@31:45 FYI, all the notes does NOT come from the same string. the major scales as we all know today comes from the First non-tonic harmonic. i.e. C -> first non-tonic harmonic is G. then we take that note and repeat the process. G -> D. repeat again D -> A, A-> E
the first 5 notes is C, G, D, A, E. can be rearranged to a pentatonic scale C D E G A. that's why pentatonic is such a strong scale.
now if we continue the process with E, then E ->B, B-> F#. this become the lydian mode. as you can see in early church music, lydian mode is very prominant.
continue with F# -> C# -> G# -> D# -> A# -> E# (F) -> back to C
and that's how the 12 notes comes about. however, if you tune it purely to harmonics through the 12 notes, you'll be way sharp. however, if you are violin with 4 strings, you'll be a little bit sharp, and that helps the sound to cut through.
Good episode! Wasn’t sure how you’d fill nearly 58 minutes with tuning info, but it was over before I even noticed the elapsed time. :)
I like Peterson’s GTR sweetened tuning with shorter scale (below 25”) electric guitars, but with 25” and longer scale lengths I go with the unsweetened EQU…just sounds better to my ears. I also prefer GTR for acoustic guitars regardless of scale length.
With certain guitars I’ve also just learned over time to tweak certain strings a little sharp or flat.
I've seen this video come up on suggested videos and avoided it like an std, until I recently bought a Tom Anderson guitar the Buzz Feiten tuning system, so straight away I bought the Peterson strobe tuner as it has the BFE setting and there is a noticeable difference on open chords.
Great channel guys, cheers.
Turbo Tuner also does custom and sweetened tunings, my favorite tuner. Fast and accurate.
One thing I don't get, this thing about strobe tuners, but these are digital tuners are they not? Is not the "strobe" just the display mechanism, i.e. nothing to do with an actual strobing disc or whatever? Or am I missing something?
OMFG! THE ONE WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR! Because tune.
Lorry Here; i must say, when i first saw the title of the episode, i may have rolled my eyes. However- i found it incredibly interesting and informative, well done chaps! Giggling to myself that ive been watching religiously for years, yet mt first comment is on a tuner video.... haha!
Some other possible TPS t-shirt anagrams ...
Modulated = phased that low
Winter = who salted path
Friendly instructor = showed that pal
Office temp = oh stapled what
If you use any of these, you could thank me with a free T. ;D
Hi Dan and Mick, Excellent Video 👍👍👍.
Really interesting, 56 minutes on Tuners actually flew by, the Peterson Tuner looks very cool!
Take care ♥️👍.
Melbourne, Australia.
I doubt any of your real fans mind the long videos. It's a treat watching your videos and the more we get the better.
agreed. i'd watch these guys for much more than an hour a week...
I've had the Peterson pedal for a couple of months now, after using a Peterson clip-on for years. I love the pedal! One of the useful things for me as a slide player that you didn't cover was the fact that Peterson includes sweetened tunings for Open G, Open D, Open E, etc, etc. These tunings are Guided Tunings, which don't display the note but instead the string number. Using the string number means that you can switch quickly from one tuning to another without having to remember (or reconstruct) the string sequence for each tuning.
The biggest thing you missed is that some tuners offer true bypass or buffering (ie, Polytune and Boss), and some offer two output lines so you can send one dry signal to your DI with no effects for post production altering, and a separate one through your pedalboard/amp first. That’s the biggest reason I went with the Boss Waza tuner, because it has two outputs, buffering, and true bypass, along with both chromatic and strobe tuning options.
I'm looking at getting my first tuner pedal. Seems like what I have seen and read, the Boss TU3 Waza is a really solid choice and I'm thinking that is what I am going to buy.
precisely what I've been looking for thanks fellas !!!
Fabulous. Thank you so much for this! One issue I had with the TC PolyTune was that the LEDs were too bright for me. They were so bright that it was a struggle to read the display. I'm curious as to whether anyone else has had this issue. I replaced it with the D'Addario, which is quite good, although not as accurate as a strobe tuner. Lately, I've been lusting after a Peterson StroboStomp, but based on this video, I'm going to give the Sonic Research a try.
An hour of talking about tuners? At first, I was like, “What? Well, I’ll give it a few minutes.” Then I sit fascinated for a full hour. One of the best videos on the channel.
Cheers Sean
All of a sudden, Dan is playing 7th level jazz
Dan is a wasted talent 🌴
Not so suddenly. Dan has always been throwing Jazzy bits into his TPS playing.
He studied Jazz music at college in his youth I believe.
Oh wait. Did I just get baited and hooked over the detuned shenanigans ??
Very interesting episode. Thanks guys!
It's called a strobe because the input signal was amplified and used to modulate a lamp shining on the divided wheel. The strobing of the lamp caused the division markings appear to stop in space. To improve accuracy there were multiple sub divisions of the markings. The larger divisions allowed you to get from way off pitch to close at which point the small divisions would start to slow down and stabilize and you could fine tune from there using the smaller divisions. The so called strobes these days digitally mimic these concentric divisions.
I spent the middle '70s selling pianos and we were all taught to touch up tunings using the original Conn strobes. There were charts for each piano saying how many cents to offset each note. As you demonstrate low pitch strings tend to sound sharp as they're struck hard. Higher pitches tend to sound flat to the ear. So pianos are tuned with a "stretch" where the bass is set flat and the treble is progressively sharp. Very experienced piano tuners do this by ear, the rest of us used charts provided by the instrument maker. Electric pianos like the Rhodes or Whurly are similarly stretched. Hammond organs and most synths are not. So you can go crazy getting chords in tune depending on what you're playing with. I've long tuned the B and high E slightly sharp to make notes higher up sound in tune with Rhodes and sound "brighter".
Steve Kirby I apply the same stretch principle on guitar strings; based on experience it’s what sounded best to me.
I consider people who tunes pianos mostly by ear admirable.
And yes, analog synths can be problematic regarding running, an ever present touch of vibrato can help sweetening that perception and be easing for the brain :-)
47:57 “that’s all well and good...” made me laugh out loud
My Turbo Tuner is the greatest thing that ever happened to my guitar.
The video descriptions are always brilliant. Nice one, Mick!
Love a tuner but why don't any of them have top mounted jacks?
Jim Swales T Rex’s tuner is about the only one. Agree, I wish there were more options
Lovely. Dan explaining a strobe tuner with how a turn table speed adjustment works. Feels to me like watching an event in an old peoples home, ha ha. But maybe we are the core audience. I mean, we "seasoned" players. :-)
Ha! It’s not old school, it’s the school. To quote James Gadson again. Kids will realise that digital sounds boring when they hear analogue at a pivotal moment. Mick here.
I’ve watched tons and tons of tps videos. Despite Mick constantly throwing out a “boring” disclaimer this might me my most interesting and valuable watch. If we’re not in tune the watch the point?
The 432 thing is interesting because I’ve always noticed that my guitar sounds a little better barely flat. I use a Peterson strobe tuner so I don’t mean intentionally flat but I mean it’s impossible to get those circles to freeze so I err on the side of rolling slightly flat. Sounds better. And yes as experienced guitarists we all tend to flatten the g string (sometimes b) a bit on the fly to get more “sympathy”. I have one LP that has such a chewed up and worn out bridge but has perfect intonation and stays in tune forever with almost no effort so I dare not replace the bridge.
Took me until 18:26 to figure out the anagrams!! Great video guys; I learnt loads from this.
Most tellingly, 432Hz sounds like (when you've put your jumper on back-to-front), feels.
I've been waiting for this. Headphones on...
I've been in the market for a new tuner since my 1st generation polytune shit itself 3 weeks ago and I've suffered through many crushingly boring tuning videos. Somehow, you guys have made this informative, educational, interesting AND entertaining! It's the last tuner video I'm watching - I'm ordering a Strobostomp! Hey Dan, greetings from Perth, Straya!
I’ve been using a Peterson strobe tuner for years, and for me- I’ve been using the sweetened tunings, and swear by them...
Tuners are so incredibly important- thanks for taking on such a daunting and personal subject!
As usual, I learned something useful, interesting, and entertaining by watching TPS 👍 Had my doubts on a show about tuners but gladly proved wrong. Certainly the reason why I’ve been watching for 3+ years 🙂
Still can’t decide between the StrobostompHD or the Sonic Research.
StroboStomp my friend.
I’m pro Peterson strobo. I have one but also the turbo seems harder to read.
I can’t believe I actually sat through this… I learned a lot about tuners and tuning because of you guys. Now, I need to mess with my Strobo and figure it out. Thanks for the education.
Hey! Have you ever tried to play along "castles made of sand"? The tuning on that song seems to sit in between Eb and E. Funny how I always found this song to sound great but never noticed that it was tune in a totally different way than the usual Jimi's Eb until playing alongside it!
Just a funny fact I noticed recently ;D.
Try tuning to 432 hz in standard tuning, it kinda gets you there, there's a lot of myth regarding that tuning but some artists have done it, some other song examples are skinny love by bon iver and california stars by wilco!
@@martinfuentes7260 :) yup I think you're right but my tuner doesn't do 432Hz so I have to tune to whatever sounds close enough to my ears. I think that's what Jimi would have done back then :D
Nice Show!🤟 Looking for a tuner i found the Korg Pitchblack 01 and the advanced version. What about them?
"I can't actually hit you on camera." On camera.
Very informative. No mention of the humble 440 hz tuning fork - my 1st tuner back in the 1980s - still use it when restringing my guitars as a test of my "head pitch" - useful if you sing. Thanks again