Vault 101 Survivors in Fallout 4? - Fallout 4's Greatest Unsolved Mystery
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2020
- Fallout 4 and indeed the entire Fallout franchise are both filled with incredible mysteries and strange, unexplained happenings. However, one mystery that I never felt got the attention it deserved in Fallout 4 centers around the curious connections between the settlement of Covenant and Vault 101. What may initially seem like a simple Easter Egg seems to be far larger and could carry some major implications on the Fallout universe's lore. So today we'll be taking a look at what I personally consider to be Fallout 4's greatest unsolved mystery.
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Oh boy, this one was a long one! Huge thanks to the various modders and folks who helped by scoure Fallout 4 and Fallout 3's gamefiles (really, they did most of the scouring) and if you'd like to experience that broken scene for yourself, here's a link to the patch created by CreatyChameleon - www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/44683/
Also, I still can't get over the fact we accidentally stumbled upon a lost piece of content when making this.
TheEpicNate315 well it fine
This was a good theory
Amazing discovery
@TheEpicNate315 could the residents of Covinent be related to the player in Fallout 3, because we never actually learn what their last name is, or what they do after the ending of Fallout 3. Plus there is enough time between fallout 3 and 4, and it would explain the Vault-Tec security armor. Now let me explain the armor, in fallout 3 the armor is black, and like you said there is 10 years between fallout 3 and 4. There is enough time for the helmet for example to rust, givin the sparatic weather of the wasteland and long distance between the the Commonwealth and the play area of fallout 3. And even if the lone wanderer isn't the cause of Covinent, there are a few unnamed NPC's in vault 101 that would be the perfect candidate for all the reasons that we have for the creation of Covinent. Now this is just a theory... take it as you will.
if you want to go an extra mile, you could calculate the age of the Vault Security Armor sitch by it's decoloration or condition in comparison with that of other Security Vault Suits from other Vaults. While the coloration may be due to simply painting, it sure looks like they've been around in the wasteland than most SVSs. It also should be noted that while in game FO3 makes it look like The Vault Dweller exited and returned to 101 in matter of weeks or months due to gameplay, lore-wise this may have happened years apart, to the point (like in my first playtrhough) you only notice the SOS signal once you've completed the main storyline. At that point and with clean water it wouldn't be hard to imagine a party of people leaving the vault, getting some supplies and souvenirs and heading towards the commonwealth. Since it is known that Vault Dwellers are sort of easy meat on the wasteland it shouldn't be a surprise to discover that they got rid of their pip-boys as soon as they could, trading them for clothing and food. Of notice is that their pip-boys were just as broken as their genetic pools so getting parts for them and fixing them wouldn't have been worth the trouble after exiting the vault.
Dont let this distract you from the fact that the settlement I just marked on your map needs help
thank you Preston
Fuck off Preston
Preston this is why I became a raider. You won’t shut up.
You’re the man Preston
Hello Garvey boy
You know what Vault 101 didn't have? Deezer's Lemonade! Tasty, refreshing, non-irradiated goodness for your taste buds! Don't miss out!
True true but I’d rather not get poisoned
I would love to indulge in some lemonade
It worries me that Strong says it tastes like urine. I think he may be on to something. The question is, who or what provides that urine...?
@@DenMotherArkala Well, people get high off brahmin fumes...
Lmao
I always theorized that the guy giving the test outside of Covenant was an older Tunnel Snake. He definitely looks and sounds the part.
Don't forget Zeke's duded down at the Atom Cat's Garage... those guys are CLEARLY a nod to the Tunnel Snakes and would love to know them. :D
@@g0lgrim1they’re a nod to hot rodder and greaser culture so yeah the comparison to tunnel snakes makes sense.
Tunnel snakes rule!
Fun fact: he said that synths instinctively answer 'catcher' on the baseball position question and I searched on UA-cam through 31 different clips of people going through this test, and found out that only one of them choose the option 'catcher'.
Turns out humans did forgot that catchers exist.
More importantly, it means you spotted a synth!
Talk to moe in diamond city about baseball if you’re interested in what post war people think it was
Could be that people avoid it because it's also a euphemism for taking it up the butt? More importantly it means synths like it up the butt.
the question is how many of those 31 people were non-americans and how likely non-americans are to choose answer 4 (soccer).
I answered catcher, because I played catcher in little league! :(
oh no, am I a synth?!
Covenant: uses catcher as a hint that someone is a synth due to baseball being forgotten
Pre war character: *visible stress*
my thinking exactly.. like if you answer catcher then what will happen? will you fail? or will they just question it and you go like yeah i was in cryostatis BRUH
European players: *what*
or is it just a crude crass joke about outing gays. as "catchers" would be people who take it in the ass. we will never know...
@@Livingvapour nah it's definitely not that
@@Livingvapour If it was, Bethesda would face a category 5 shitstorm from the alphabet soup brigade.
"either way, we get payed" -the most fallout line Ive ever heard
Either way I get to kill at least someone
kertio fan yes
kertio fan He is
John Marston
Do they have a synth component if you kill them?
The timeline easily works. We know for a fact that Vault 101 had a short period of openness when they not only sent out scouts, and even allowed at least two people (James and his newborn child, the player character) to immigrate. I also vaguely recall that they traded with the outside during that point, alternatively they were open enough to let people in so perhaps allowed or unwittingly provided opportunity for some to leave. That means Covenant had 26 years to build up their experimental protocol and reputation, much more plausible. It's also possible that they had a different testing methodology earlier and only changed it when they encountered the traded Vault equipment or ex-Vault member(s).
And this was why I kept this video saved, to point this out. Glad I wasn't the only person to remember this!
@rustkitty 2 AccidentalFriendlyFire The flaw that I see in these arguments is that Vault 101 is just too far from the Boston area to have reasonably become a trading partner with Covenant. Both groups would have several other people far closer with which they would have established trade. Specifically, Covenant establishing trade with 81 makes more sense.
The most logical idea is that this was cut content, with the art assets that were put in were made based on the Vault 101 G.O.A.T. with the intention that they would later come back and change it to whichever vault they decided to link it to, but that storyline was cut but the posters were left in.
I think it’s entirely plausible that the overseer in 101 was well aware of the potential genetic crisis they would end up facing, so sent one or more of the exploration teams out with the covert purpose of trying to recruit new people to the vault, which would explain the use of the GOAT test outside of the vault, and the could even have been given posters to take with them in order to give new residents a little glimpse into what vault life would be like. From there it would make sense that either some of those sent out decided to stay, got rid of their pip boys and changed their names in order to start a new life, and then founded covenant, or that covenant already existed and liked some aspects of vault life but didn’t want to leave, so adopted some of that stuff as their own.
A year later I'm reading this but you hit the nail on the head. We know they let in at least ONE family (player character & dad). Indeed they I don't doubt that they were trying to solve the inbreeding problem. They sent out recruiters who used the test along with all the materials to do so posters and stuff. You'd have gone out in their best armor (vault tec security armor).
So then after a certain point they just... decide not to come back. Travel the wastes with their gear and materials from 111. Then they meet the scientist who has been working on the synth problem for a very long time, and they are the ones who introduce her to the GOAT, which she adopts and uses for her own purposes.
The guy outside the city gives off Tunnel Snake vibes, just because the last names don't overlap doesn't mean everything. Half the people in this game are named "settler" or "resident" or "raider". If they were people who left 101 then they wouldn't have been in 101 to have gotten a name from.
Sorta kinda a subplot in the move that started it all, 'A Boy and His Dog' where a group in a vault like society would being people in from time to time to increase the genetic diversity.
Imagine how awkward it would be being a surviving staff member of vault 111 and running into the sole survivor.
Be a bit hard since they left the vault after a year, so unless ghoulified they are little skellys, the name sole survivor always iirked me, Shaun survived vault 111 as well.
@@joepesci6657 Well he is The Sole Survivor he was the last one to make it out, lol.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
@@joepesci6657 I think "Sole Survivor" can apply to the end of the game. No matter what, Shaun dies. Therefore, you are the Sole Survivor of 111. However during the story, technically no, you are not the Sole Survivor.
It's been 200 years so ghoul?
Todd Howard : Stop over thinking
Nate : No, I don't think I will
Yep that is what Nate does
"Hey. How's it going guys. Nate here, and Todd won't take my calls anymore, because I questioned him to death."
@@leegaul2161 the only thing that killed anyone is this tard's pronunciation of the word "vault".
I remember back in Fallout 3, either by hearing it in dialog or reading on a terminal, that Vault 101 was intentionally opened and had interaction with the Capital Wasteland. James was not natively from 101 but moved in. It is widely known that he work with Dr. Li for some time before he and his wife moved into 101 to raise the player. 101 was closed off from the Wasteland again after James moved in. The is a widely known secret of 101 but rarely spoken about. This is the whole reason why we have the faction split and revolt of 101 where Amata becomes the new Overseer. People did indeed leave 101. I hope you read this Nate! Play through Fallout 3 again, the answer is there.
You dropped the ball there buddy, James and his wife never moved in to Vault 101, she died giving birth to the character, then James abandoned Rivet city and Project purity and went to vault 101 with the baby
@@ZeroReaver11 was about to say the same thing 😭
The wife died after giving birth to the Lone Wanderer. She never got to Vault 101.
But yeah, that oversight doesn’t negatively affect your reasoning, so I am fine with it for as long as you acknowledge the wife never made it to 101.
In any case, we all agree that Vault 101 has been playing it loose with the vault mandate and was getting away with it quite often.
While I didn’t like how it turned into some sort of police state, it was also understandable as secrets and lies piled upon each other has turned everyone in 101 into a paranoid mess.
For me, I think the way The Covenant got their hands on Vault 101 paraphernalia was simply through coming in contact with Vault 101 traders and ambassadors.
I was under the impression that Vault 101 opening itself was *the canon* as it actively sought contact with the outside world under Amata’s leadership. Fallout 3 was my first Fallout game, so you have to forgive me if I will always feel attached to it. 😊
I have always loved that 2277 High School Class of Vault 101. They are the children of destiny, imo. That Class was brash, headstrong, proud, bright, and optimistic compared to the elder Vault 101 residents. The Lone Wanderer, being that genetic wildcard of the bunch, was the spark that ignited that Class to dare stage an open insurrection against Vault Tec mandates, declaring that fundamental human desire of self determination… that they were more than just experiments.
I am pretty sure Suzie Mack was the one who spearheaded Vault 101’s diplomatic expansion. She was always that pr girl of the Class, and Amata trusted her.😂
@@penemuelwatcher2378 yo sounds like you jack off to this shit
Ikr, I do not remember signing up for these feels...
Personally I like the idea that they're the descendants of the security team that broke out of Vault 111
mama murphy just preordered the game and played before anyone else, that’s why
Mama Murphy: hey i just saw someone like you looking for their son
You: yes thats me
Mama Murphy: no its not, they just ran off to drumlin diner
And its a continous cycle
Thats What God and Jesus did in real life.
Think about it. "Mama Murphy", Murphy sounds kind of like Morphine. Morphine gets you high, high like the 'sky', 'Skyrim' synonymous with Todd Howard. Ergo, Mama Murphy is confirmed to be Todd Howard
@@seanvti :O
@@harrisonwaters270 wtf
7:20 “Roslyn has been trying to take down the institute for nearly 6 decades”
Me who did it under 2 weeks in game:👁👄👁
To be fair, it took the first 5 decades for the first activation of Liberty Prime, aka best boy.
I did it in 1 hour using console commands.
@@Biotear no no you can use SeWeR
@@u6uggg6hguiuggy did it in 1 minute by just watching a video and skipping to the end.
This video is proof of one thing, at least: This game is well-loved. It wouldn't have fostered such an incredible community of tireless modders otherwise.
It was part of a larger uncut quest that would have implied you were a synth in fallout 3 and fallout 4, or at least it would have hinted at it in F3. The SAFE test being used in this way (on synths especially) is a nod to the Voight-Kampff test from Blade Runner, where the test is used to identify replicants (synthetic humans).
How would that work? Synths can’t grow. You go through child hood in F3.
@@joshmcclay7629 i suppose it could just be implanted memories, seeing as synths supposedly dont know they are synths.
What about the vault tec headquarters, they could’ve had copies.
There actually is a poster there! We found where all of the posters in the game are located, and there's only three outside of Covenant.
That makes a lot of sense.
Beat me to it!
But... they at HQ had specifically and only 101 paraphernalia?
But why would vault tech HD in boston had 101 posters, when literally vault 101 is at the other side of the country. It doesn’t make much sense to me, because the HQ at Los Angeles is much more closer to the capital wasteland, there for it would make more sense to have stuff for 101 there.
I think it’s a combination of refugees and the vaultech truck maybe the settlement was already there when the refugees arrived wearing the armor because they were sent on a scouting mission, or maybe they acquired that later in the truck knowing about the deliveries from past experience living in the vault
but why would a truck with 101-stuff (esp. posters) be in the area of boston? the vaulttec HQ was in washington.
@@montanus777 They don't manufacture anything in Washington DC. They do however manufacture things in the Boston area.
They attacked me after I freed the girl. So they're all dead now.
The biggest mystery for me is : how did they know what I did in their secret lair since nobody survived down there except the damsel in distress ?
Cameras?
Yeah... Same with me taking out the Raider leaders in Nuka World using stealth. Never once did my stealth meter tick over to detected, so I was undetected, I can take everyone else out no hostilities but the second I take out one of the three leaders? Insta hostility. >.
I don't even play Fallout 4 anymore and I watch these. The reason we love them is because you make them extremely interesting!
Honestly I agree. I never had the chance to play Fallout 4 but I've watch Nate' and Mxr's videos and love how they make the game more interesting
Marisa Moreno I miss the old MxR Wanderer intro :(
@@raiankeiji6954 I do too. It's one of the older songs I really enjoyed
I watch them for the same reasons. Always interesting learning more lore
Played it once, on release. Still watch these videos.
Nate: Bethesda has an incredible attention to detail
Bethesda: *managed to bug an encounter out of existence*
What encounter was that?
It was gone over in the video
@@edanpino5035 Ah. I just got to that part. Sorry for bothering you.
No worries
Bethesda also broke recruiting the chem-addict's sister in 81 (I forget their names off the top of my head. Been a long while since I last played FO4). She's supposed to leave V81 and head to Sanctuary, but never does, since one of her flags is busted.
Seems the devs really broke the hell out of V81. Lol.
Vault 75 is the origin story of the Gunners as a faction. The training they have has been disseminated through their recruits. They no longer have the Pip-Boys likely as a way to "throw off the shackles of their origin, as well as remove any possible tracking devices they may have had installed in them.
THIS! I also tought of this while watching the movie and was surprised Nate didn't come up with that.
Awesome job on the modding section finding the lost content bro that was epic, I'm a software engineer by hobby so this was really exciting to watch. Much Love Fam and God Bless!!!
When you've finally found everything in Skyrim and remember Fallout 4 exists
Then find something in Skyrim BECAUSE you find something in Fallout. This will never end. THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER EEEEEEEEEEEEEENDSSSSSSSSSSSS!
@@slavthesage5661 IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIEND
@@slavthesage5661 Country Roads! Take me home! To the place I belong! West VIrginia! Out of mind! Take me home, down Country Roads!
Then tes 6
Then you actually play Fallout 4 for the second time and remember how dull a second playthrough can be
Of course there were no catchers in baseball. The game was just about beating the other players with a stick. Why is it called baseball anyway? You don't use a ball.
Disclaimer: Everything I know about baseball, I learned from Moe Cronin.
Its not called a baseball bat its a sawtter
no, people would run from the stands and beat the players with the bats. that's how the word "spectator sport" got coined
I love how Nick valentine likes it when you tell Moe "hey dumb ass, that's not how baseball was played." it's one of my favorite interactions.
@@silvermoon9186 If Nick does have the memories of a pre-war Chicago detective, I'm sure he remembers many baseball games. He's probably wanted to say something similar to Moe for a looong time.
You need a GENUINE, AUTHENTIC, COSTUME MADE, hickory swatter.
I'm recently back to Fallout 4. I played Fallout 1,2,3 and NV before.
But somehow and I don't know how you answer the questions I never knew I had before.
This is superb content.
And the fact your voice is soothing does not hinder anything either ...
Does anyone else think that toilet paper will play a much bigger role in the next fallout game?
Maybe, that could be the new currency
Oh my word lmao
The Wasteland Explorer damn beat me to it
COOKIE WOKE it’s be cool to see a toilet paper joke about the great TP famine of 2020 in like a yolo tape or something maybe they could twist it to where China tried to create a off brand FEV strain to wipe out America’s population on the west coast by causing severe dysentery
That's if we get a new one. All we've gotten so far is elder scrolls online and fallout 76; every company chasing that next popular GaaS model.
Moira Brown had a Vault 101 Jumpsuit that she gave to Lone Wanderer in the "Wasteland Survival Guide" side quest, she said a Vault Dweller gave it to her many years before. So it's possible that some fugitives ended up in the Commonwealth.
That's what I thought
Like some dwellers escaped before the start of 3
So it is a possibility that happened
@Adam the other doctor was beat to death in the vault. I'm pretty sure, though not certain, she specifies it was from a long time ago, too.
@Adam alright none of that made any sense whatsoever
@Adam Well, no. Overseer before Amanda's father, allowed people ro go outside. But that stopped after one woman didn't return
@Adam To be honest, given what’s out in the wasteland I can’t fully blame the 101 people from closing the door after scouting teams report back. That being said, eventually they would end up having to open the Vault to recruit new people (or kidnap or purchase babies or children) in order to bring in fresh bloodlines to avoid the eventual infertility resulting from extensive inbreeding.
Actually in my somewhat non-canon fanfic of what my Lone Wanderer does for the rest of her life post game, I address this problem by having my Lone Wanderer negotiate with Amata via the intercom at the Vault door. Basically because my Lone Wanderer finds the existence of Little Lamplight unacceptable she has the village disbanded and finds new homes for the kids with people who want to adopt them.
One of those places is Vault 101, where all the younger kids and the willing older ones are traded for 101’s entry into the new government led nation the Lone Wanderer is building and a few schematics of certain technology and some of the harder to scavenge parts. I actually find it quite a neat solution to Little Lamplight. Most of the older kids are sent to Big Town.
But what irritates me is that clearly Bethesda has considered that inbreeding is bad for an enclosed society and yet the Institute makes exactly the same mistake by trying to wipe out the surface dwelling populations of humanity despite also being a small and isolated society themselves. But worse the Institute is meant to be a society of scientists who would be very aware of the inbreeding problem. Ironically it would be very much in character for them to routinely abduct babies and young children to add bloodlines. Especially Shaun, who has “pure” human DNA so they should have practically forced him to father many children.
Then again taking Shaun should have been entirely unnecessary due to Vault 81, a whole bunch of “pure” humans protected by a Vault. I’m surprised that they didn’t get a baby from Vault 81 through trade, abduction or threat. But yeah sometimes it’s best not to think so hard about Bethesda games.
Amara does mention that part of the reason her and the Vault's youth are rebelling is because they learned the Vault used to be opened to the Capital Wasteland and trade used to take place years ago. Fallout 3's Player Character wasn't even born in Vault 101. The PC was born in Rivet City when Father was working on Project Purity.
And in FO4 all Dad would have needed to do is get 4 ranks of science, lob in a fusion gennie and wire up some industrial water purifiers - sod the GECK...
That’s what I was thinking because (correct me if I’m wrong) but wasn’t Dr. Lee in the room while you were being born😂
The Lone Wanderer was actually born in the medical bay of project purity in the Jefferson Memorial.
@@fearlessfosdick160 So like 10 feet to the right of Rivet City
What if they aren't vault inhabitants, but vault monitors? I've always wondered how vault-tec planned on compiling and looking at the data from the vault experiments. Maybe the covenant are a remnant of that process?
Just replayed Covenant. Found something very interesting. If after 'dealing' with the compound you loot some Covenant armour and then drop it, it falls to the floor neatly folded, crucially however the armour will now have the original Vault Tech label visible which shows the vault number from which it came. Long story short, the Covenant guards are all wearing armour from vault 111.
So what you're saying is don't drop it before I give it to my guards and Vault 88
Interesting.
Most likely recolored assets
@@ironbackplays7861 like most of Bethesda's fallout
@@ironbackplays7861 correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's any vault tec security armour in vault 111, if it was recoloured assets then wouldn't it be 81 or another vault where that armour exists? If that's true then it'd be unique armour and confirm that they are indeed the descendants of the vault 111 security team that fled.
Actually, vault 101 was open until amata's dad became overseer. That's how your dad in FO3 was able to get in. Maybe the covenant residents left during that time, and that is why we do not see their last names in FO3.
Yeah, I know, right ? Your dad and Madison Li weren't originally descended from the 100 people in 101, they entered later. That's how James knew Moriarty
the vault wasnt open to the public, they were just doing field tests and checking out the surface. thats why the vault door was closed when your father showed up with baby you.
@@zohaibmehmood3027 Madison Li never entered the Vault. She knew James left to go in one with you, but didn't know he'd succeeded till he came back out to find her.
The vault also was never opened up to anyone, it was only ever opened for reconnaissance of the outside world and closed back up after.
@@MuffinOfChaos My mistake, I mistook the scene of Li helping your dad deliver you, which happened in Rivet City, taking place in the Vault. But the Vault *did* open, just not for the wastelanders to come inside and live a life of comfort, I meant the Vault's literal door was opened
@@zohaibmehmood3027 Ah, yes, it was opened, but not open.
I saw someone talk about this on UA-cam but it wasn't as long as this video, but both you and them did a amazing job I love this theory
I have been a huge fan of all of your videos and this one is no different! thanks for adding to the great experience that can be Fallout!
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Back when I played Fallout 4 and first saw the 101 posters, my brain instantly formulated that Covenant was indeed connected to them by remembering the survey groups they sent out and some didn't return. I figured one of those early groups said "Screw going back" and struck out even further in the wasteland eventually starting Covenant. Never gave it any thought after that until just now and when you mentioned my theory I decided that's my head canon until Bethesda says otherwise or something else is found out to contradict it. Great video however!
Yeah sure, every easter egg is a deep dark secret
@@thebiglich Uhh...
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majomember1000 uhh..
I have a survivor. My mother in law is the glowing one from Hubris Comics
I see what you did there 👉😎👉
When he says mother-in-law he's talking about his foster mom.
@@jaylap6038 no, he's talking about his wife's mum
Such incredible video you made! Thanks for sharing all this knowledge with us, i'm from Brazil and i'm amazed with the quality of the edition and content brought here, subscribbed!
So I have an idea. Covenant is full of synths. If you have a VATS Matrix Overlay on a power armor helmet Nick Valentine glows red and he is a confirmed synth. I walked into covenant and every person there glows red. So does this mean that they are all synths or is this just another bug
Nah, you would find synth components on them if you had to kill them were that the case.
Vault-Tec Regional HQ in the beacon hill neighborhood of Boston, has a warehouse full of stuff that didn't get shipped to the local vaults,
"Local" Vaults. Having only 101 things is too specific.
@StinkyPirates No. But if I find a whole community with boxes full of very specific stuff - like people with Boston Stadium memorabilia from a specific year living in LA - I would assume that these people were there or knew someone who was there at that time. Not that they randomly stumbled upon this stuff in a Basebal League Association building in LA.
Also your Golden Bridge analogy is faulty - GB is a well-known unique attraction. Vaults weren't advertised individually - "your nearest Vault" was used instead. So the possession of things specifically from Vault 101 is at least suspicious.
@StinkyPirates Your argument is flawed. You're assuming that the memorabilia is held in a warehouse in the headquarters, however that is not the case merchandise is made by a producer which then ships it to a distributor in the area that the product is marketed towards. What purpose would it serve to sell Boston statues and commemorative gear in LA? also if you're trying to establish a pre-war-esque society you would bring items and equipment from that time if you had them and comparing the distance using LA as a reference to compare distance between DC and Boston is just plan dumb just going by Fallout logic they'd have to cross through Legion territory and that is nearly impossible unless you're Brotherhood meanwhile DC is in walking distance from Boston you can even find GNR advertisements around Boston
@StinkyPirates Unfortunately you're still wrong about the merchandise while carrying the lab gear would be dumb bring posters is not and the G.O.A.T. is a program you can put it into a holotape equipment was most likely procured locally as the lab gear is built into the Vault and you can find after getting a DLC a vault that never got its shipment of materials because the bombs fell so all that gear was above ground but the 101 stuff armor vault suits lab coats would've been easy to carry and since it was all they've known their whole lives for the most part the posters would be more of a sentimental deal but they wouldn't want to advertise that they were dwellers so they kept the hidden and most likely lived in the sewers at first due to its likeness to a Vault
@StinkyPirates And yes GNR is pre-war the point I was making with that is the distance is close enough to walk
I always thought they brought back the GOAT test for synth detection as a nod to the Voight-Kampff test from blade runner
Thats exactly what it is
That was my impression.
Totally. Yes
Yeah it is just an injoke/reference I suspect especially given it has a name that is an acronym for God Of All Time/Greatest Of All Time and Blade Runner is considered that by many people in sci-fi circles especially given how many other references there are, the Gun has been in multiple games referred to as 'That Gun' and the Synth on the roof echoing the most famous scene from the entire film as well as Nick's whole look being Deckard inspired and the fact that quests have been named inspired by it Replicated Man in FO3. Even Zimmer is a reference IIRC.
If you want a really trippy one Dr River Song in Dr Who, the weapon she used to burn a message to the doctor in the first time she was seen on screen, she is using a COP .357 as the item. (Well an airsoft copy) which is the 4 shot pepperbox derringer used to shoot the replicant in the film.
It’s both.
Its been a while since I played 3, but I am pretty certain 101 was open for a time before the game. Wasnt the dad from the Wasteland and then moved into the Vault before the current overseer wanted to close down the vault again. So trading from 101 is possible and it would take time for those items to get rusted and to get from DC to the Commonwealth. Could have been from that period of when 101 was open a long time ago, or even founded by some from past expeditions that decided to not go back to the vault for whatever reason. Great video tho, always like hearing more than one possible theory for stuff
I've never even olayed Fallout and I still enjoy putting on Nate's Fallout videos when they pop up in recomendations and following along with his investigations. It's better than true crime.
14:59 Covenant is haunted, spooky ghost pumping water...
so scary
3 spoopy 5 me
Kobe and Jah just getting som water
The vault 111 thing makes sense, the security guards are the ones who left and the covenant people have GUARD uniforms thats a pretty hard one to pass on
So y the lab coats if they killed all the scientists
@@archiec8360 it's not known if all lab scientists were killed. Some scientists could've mutinied too
@@archiec8360 the lab coats dont say vault 111 the one is a fake like nate said and the other could be something a guard took and sold or another vault sold them it
@@archiec8360 you ever just...pick something...off a dead body
@@gemstonegynoid7475 I agree with this, and I think it would be especially dependent on the gender ratio within the vault personnel. Think about it, you're a vault-tech scientist, and the cryo chambers and the vault systems are pretty much self sustaining. The experiment will sustain itself with minimal monitoring and maintenance; however, you're looking at spending the rest of your life living in a tiny little cramped vault, without romantic companionship. It'll be a short life too, because you're all facing a dwindling supply of food.
I think I'd start trying to make friends with the cluster of security personnel that have begun whispering to each other in the halls and over tables in the rec room.
100 people in 200 years wouldn't be a genetic issue unless they were actively going after their cousins those few generations
I would guess maybe if it was possible maybe it was based on who was selecting who for a breeding partner. Maybe only a few were desired for procreation. Idk but I’m like you seems unlikely.
In Fallout 4, you can find references to Gary, which at least confirms that it's possible for a Vault dweller to make the journey from the Capital Wasteland to the Commonwealth in one piece
Who's Gary
@@kurukavatar5089
Gary
@@kurukavatar5089 The best characters in Fallout 3.
@@ob2kenobi388 You right
@@JimPickensCultist I've only ever played 4
Vault 101's experiment was not to remain closed forever. Well not fully. Their test was to put 100 people in the vault instead of the standard 1000 and to see the effects of inbreeding over generations. They also didn't have an objective, or timeline to open the vault, from Vault Tec, but they were never told to keep the door closed forever. Even the overseer, before Amata's Dad opened the vault door and Alphonse (the overseer of Vault 101 at the beginning of the game) went out on expeditions to explore the new world, based on predictions of the radiation levels.
So many mysteries... yet one mystery remains...
... why are there no toilets on the prydwen?
They just empty their buckets over the side?
Power armor has waste management systems.
"Hold it in, there'll be toilets at the airport." - Enroute to Boston
Just go over the side, the wastelanders below are used to it
Because Bethesda sucks at lore and doesn't give a rat's ass about details
Honestly it would make sense for the people of Covenant to come from Vault 111, simply because when you are leaving the vault there isn’t hardly anything left to get before leaving, and there’s no vault security armor to be found which would seem like it was taken by the escaping security team
Man I love the idea behind Voolt Tech and the many Voolts they built.
You mention the “theory” that vault 101 could be trading or sending out people before the Lone Wanderer gets to leave , but apparently forgot that the Lone Wanderer himself and the dad both originated outside of Vault 101 , they got let in by the overseer and it wasn’t ever discussed if they were the only ones and apparently kept secret.
I had the same thought
Yeah, those folks in Vault 101 have a lot of undocumented activities.
The overseers terminal in vault 101 explicitly explains that they opened the vault, explored, and traded with megaton in the past.
@@7thsluglord363 but that doesn't mean they let anyone else in, or completely kicked anyone else out
It shows our birth in the vault tho lol
Nate: Hi, I just wanted to reach out to you about this Vault 101 business in Fallout 4. If you could email back we can schedule a time to talk.
Bethesda Employee: *deletes email, closes laptop and pulls cellphone*
Michael. It's me....they know about the 101 incident...
I like to imagine that the guy in charge of the posters just forgot to save/change the poster and just said fuck it I'll just leave it be
@@strifewolf13 Except for the part where they had to make the entire poster from scratch so it couldn’t be a copy/paste mistake.
@@iamme4552 i said i like to imagine that is how it went down not that that's what i think happened
Lol😅😂
Is that what happened to Nate? Did someone disappear him over unearthed content?
It makes things more interesting not to know everything. This video is incredible, though! Fantastic research! But, if the writers told us the connection right out, it would just be like "wow!...ok, moving on." There may be excitement at first, but then we really would move on and not think about it as much. The nice thing about not knowing everything is that it allows us to talk as a community, discuss possibilities and use/expand our own ideas as story-tellers ourselves. Just like with this video. It's so cool to see so many creative theories and to see us get passionate about these interesting stories! Keep up the amazing work, dude! These are great!
I like the idea that the people of Covenant came across a truck of 101 items. They could enter abandoned Vaults like the Sole Survivor to learn about the G.O.A.T test and modified the name to suit their needs. They can learn of the pre-war history from those vaults as well.
Katy is the most under-rated character in all of Fallout4. She is such a shining light of hope and humanity.
I'd smash
@@jacoblee5589 yes
Jacob Lee yeah boii
@@jacoblee5589 yep thats probably what he meant dumbass
@@y0shiklassik who you calling dumbass with a dumbass name like big Stevie cool bitch you sound like a kid doodler
an interesting thing is that you can find a covenant security helmet in med-tek research, in the area you need the password from macready to access
Agreeing with Nate in that it was probably both an abandoned truck but also from Vault 101 survey teams post war, one of the Overseers wanting information on whether or not to break protocols. There had to been communication of some kind between the Vault-Tec and the vaults, wireless radio, phone. When Overseers didn't get any communications back probably said "Fuck it, let's see what's going on up there."
The G.O.A.T. was common to most vaults, so it could have simply been brought by someone that left Vault 81. A much shorter journey than the Capital Wasteland.
Also the posters being different, having unique IDs and such doesn't mean anything, they could have easily been made from unused material or concept art.
But it says on the poster in the hole area where the person is locked on the other side of the river “congrats! You made it on the vault 101 baseball team” taken directly from fallout 3 with color added
Here’s a time stamp: 9:27
@@J3FF_5HOP did not notice that, good eye!
the guy that broke the goat system on fallout 4: *sweats*
Bethesda could of simply fixed that in one of the many Fallout 4 updates explaining it as, "Fixing what was broken during development of Fallout 4. Have fun looking for what is now fixed, guys!".
@@adamgray1753 But they didn't tho
I know, @@Foxingg. Bethesda being Bethesda is all.
@@adamgray1753 Ooooh I see what you mean now, sorry. I thought you were saying like "Maybe they did, you don't know!"
@@adamgray1753 Bethesda fixing something? The people who shipped Skyrim for Switch with all the bugs and glitches of the first release?
I doubt it
This is amazing. Modders being able to find broken portions and repair scenes is like magic.
Watching this trying to get hyped for April 25th…I think it’s a great time to play again, it’s been just long enough to where a new game will feel fresh again 😊
Didn't we give a cure to Daisy, who sends it in a caravan to help MacCready's son? Maybe they were the caravans who had contact with 101
Counter suggestion on Covenant: They had a game with synths as a major focus. They wanted a bladerunner reference. The GOAT was their Voigt-Khampff test. They reused or easter egged the vault 101 posters as either laziness or cheekiness.
The GOAT also could easily be a standardized test across all of Vault-tec.
@@nickelakon5369 wouldn't make sense for it to be so, it's so focused on an experiment vault. The overseer as a dictator. Plus we would have seen it in the Control vaults that are in the game.
@@jediknight1294 Synths could be a pre-war creation. The GOAT would have persisted throughout to be able to tell the difference between human and synth in each vault.
@@FernBlackwood1995 unlikely Vault Tec aren't shown to have been aware of the Synth project, MIT guarding it's secrets the same way MT did.
22:11 you can see a faded Vault Tec logo and Vault 111 written underneath the Vault Suir just like any other Vault Suits in Fallout its just faded like the Vault Tec logo is on the helmet
A theory I have about the posters (just the posters), is that they were just, like, merchandise. Because if I remember correctly, Vault 101 was one of the more prominent Vaults by Vault-Tec. Alternatively, 101 could just be one of the most popular designs for them.
This would also mean, that you can keep your own theories about the Armor and Helmets.
Played fallout 3 constantly when I was 10. Besides GOW, itwas my first adult video game. I didn't know how to save and thought you had to play the game without dying for so long. These videos make me nostalgic and take me away to a special place, and if I stay too long id probably break down and cry.
Try Fallout 3 out again its great. I played it too but never finished... Maybe I will finish it sometimes
@@arne8802 Y’all both should go play 3. People will say it’s the worst one, but since it’s Fallout it’s still a fun and good game. I’m a NV fan and I still love 3.
Everytime I took the goat I'm like "people play baseball in the vaults? Where?"
Vaults are supposed to be way bigger than what we see in the games. They have swimming pools, big recreation areas and the like. They're supposed to house 1000 people. Due to engine limitations however, Vaults cannot be built in the 1:1 scale.
@@KlemenAEQ that makes no sense
@@mcbrodz1663 Elaborate?
@@mcbrodz1663 He means that like the Skyrim map all the vaults were shrunk down for the purposes of having the game be able to run and for us to actually traverse the land decently. Technically there aren't a dozen or so vault dwellers after 200 years living down in the vaults, but they can't really put in the hundreds of occupants and additional rooms they are in. That just wouldn't run well at all
I was asking myself almost the same thing:"Wait the apocalypse is going on and people still play Baseball??? WTF!!!???
Me: Always chooses Catcher because it's my favorite baseball position.
Covenant: Still let's me in even though I answered a synth type answer.
Me watching this: Oh ... oh I might be a synth lol
Ah! Was searching for this comment. Thanks!
well seeing as your character can explain and the fact they are from a vault themselves and were in cryostasis it's most likely chalked up to you actually being pre-war
I always choose soccer, lol. I wonder what they make of that, since even fewer people know about soccer.
@@litchtheshinigami8936 sounds like something a Synth would say
@@FiveTwoSevenTHR 😂😂
Wait, The Lone wonderer's Dad wasn't from Vault 101. They just took liberty in there cause he wanted his offspring safe.
Yes, he was from Rivet City.
I'd love in the next game to have the possibility to restore or work on a vault to be fully functionnal and have your own dwellers coming in to maintain it. Like everytime the vaults are empty or people leaves them even if they are still habitable. Like those are just huge cities for dozens of people to live in and expand outside the door.
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I think it kinda makes sense that the Covenant security would want to wear Vault security armor. They're obsessed with pre-war life, and that armor is the closest FO4 has to police uniforms.
19:02 “Of what was basically fallouts Spartans”
As someone who absolutely LOVES halo, and mostly reach (first ever halo game i played) I loved this lol
I'm doing another play through I've played this game millions of times but I watched this video earlier today and just entered Covenant. I just noticed something I have never noticed before I have Piper and once I passed the test she said "Always thought something was a bit... off about Covenant. I mean, what goods an entry exam against raiders." She says it's an EXAM and what do we know this Exam to be, the one and only GOAT. So I felt it was something neat to share.
my theory is that they're descendants of one of the missing scout groups, would explain why theyre so cut off cause its what theyre used to
Have you thought about the creation club “Tunnel Snakes Rule” quest? In it we find that Wally Mack made it to the Commonwealth to start up a new Tunnel Snakes gang. Maybe he didn’t go alone - it doesn’t quite specify.
To be truly honest i would agree with you 100% if it wasn't for this. In FO3 escaping the vault, you must fight your way through countless security guards until you come across the Big chief- Security Chief Hannon, who happens to be an african american male of about your height and age. Now I'm not fully sure this is true as this could be explained away, but later when you return to the vault you never encounter Paul Hannon, Butch's left hand man and your former bully. I always wondered what happened to him until my brain thought up this. Wait a minute, if Paul isn't here, and i killed a guard on my way out named Chief Hannon.... Did i just eliminate a third of the tunnel snakes? Looking back it made sense, and with butch staying in the capital wasteland as the Wanderers companion, and no one else knowing of the tunnel snakes existence, wouldn't that mean that Wally had to go it alone? No one knew who the tunnel snakes were, butch stayed, and paul was dead. So Wally went to the Commonwealth to pick up the pieces and reform the tunnel snakes. Boom. Possible theory right there
@@theepicfox3756 Chief Hannon is Paul Hannons father.
@@biofreeker he is? Oh well that does make a bit more sense. Darn, i thought i had cracked the code. Thanks for correcting me
And then Paul disappeared like Marty McFly in back to the future.
I think it's an intentional mystery.
Thanks for all your work man
Bethesda devs breaking a whole 3min scene that answers lore questions is a classic move.
"How can Mama Murphy see future events?"
Drugs. That's pretty much it.
I guess he was talking about the fact that she doesn't just see ANY visions, but only those that predict the future correctly.
@@belial7625 Yea. The drugs she wants gives people accurate future vision. It's in the lore :D
@@ryanjanson1202 It's the first time I'm hearing this + surface check on the Internet didn't give such results. Where does it say that, may I ask?
Mama Murphy is a Bethesda stooge; she knows everything and is just scamming chems for wiki facts.
I’m pretty sure if I took as much drugs she did I could fuckin rip a hole through time
Nate: *Says Bethesda screwed up their game*
Me: "Well, I think it's clear where Vault Tec and pretty much all of Pre War Corporate America gets their origins from..."
I have a level 128 character on fallout and I always manage to find new things thanks to your videos
I know this is two years late, but I recently played through this game again with the idea and knowledge from this video in mind. I am not sure if it is a generic NPC render or what but the man 2:00 into the video can be seen in Sanctuary while heading to the vault, or at least an NPC that looks just like him can be seen. Same look even. Also I think one of the scientists from Covenant was the same one(or again duplicate NPC) that gave you your vault suit. I might be going crazy but I could swear some of those people from Covenant were in Sanctuary trying to get into the vault.
"you could come back in after afew in-game weeks or months"
*Me going Straight free to free my dad then coming back to the vault with in little more than a day of in-game time*
Just wanted to mention, I started a new game on fallout 4 just the other day, and literally NOBODY in the vault has a pip boy before you're frozen. And theres only the one that you find after being unfrozen. Doesn't add much to any theory really, but it definitely stood out to me while watching this since everybody in 101 definitely had one in fallout 3.
agreed i think there is only one pipboy in vault 111. thats why its at the door control. they forced him to open the door then shot him and left
Maybe it would break if frozen. What r u gonna use a pup boy for as a hunk of ice anyways
You missed a beat that you made earlier in the video: Vault 101 had lots of people, including entire families leave over the years. It's easy to reason, if that truly is the case, that somebody with knowledge of the goat test left the vault at some point.
We also know that people have made it from the Capital Wasteland to The Commonwealth Wasteland, and vice versa, over the years. It's entirely plausible that somebody, perhaps with no other family with their last name in the vault, left, taking with them knowledge of the GOAT and some supplies from Vault 101, and found their way to The Commonwealth. They likely would have gotten rid of their Vault jumpsuit and Pipboy, especially since people use them as indicators that somebody is from a vault and therefore an easy target.
That leads us back to Covenant, where somebody from a vault, who possessed information and possibly items from a test, introduced it to the people there and traded their last vault items and knowledge to the town in exchange for things they'd need.
We'll likely never know for sure, but it is entire possible that this is the case.
I personally feel that it could be in the direction of the vault had more contact than they let on. But I feel it's more so an expiration team that was meant to provide a home for the dwellers whenever an overseer fully went against orders and opened the vault. But they weren't able to get word back to the vault for some reason. These teams, in my opinion, were likely sent out as radiation levels first started to decrease. The teams would also likely have members who were proficient in different trades, such as leather work, tailoring, and others along those lines. The only issue with that is would be the vault tec logos, unless they had some strange sense of pride in the company.
Ryan: and so the mysterious connection between the settlement of Covenant and the notorious Vault 101 remains UNSOLVED
Shane: they probably made a deal with the Zetans
EnabledSeal I NEVER expected to see the ghoulboys or a shaniac/boogara in the comment sections of a fallout 4 video 😂
BRUH WTF I WAS LITERALLY JUST WATCHING THAT
Firebird Covers all caps user
Solid crossover event my duud
we'll give you whatever synths that slip the net if we can have one of those Zetan blasters.....
meainwhile a sole surviver shows up with a Zetan blaster with all mods cus I;m that damn good, prepare to beet your death at the hands of item-001
wait, whut?? yeah, the MJ12 group classified these as item-001, I also have Item-002 and item-003 I lost Item-004 but I have Item-005
who's the MJ12 group?? same people who send out the mysterious stranger......whut??
[zap zap, ash] you killed him!!
No I atomized him, big difference, although the atomization process is fatal that's that, not me.....I take no responsibility for what the gu--- item-001 does after I pull the ignition knob....
whu[zap, ash] STOP DOING THAT!!
I told you, not responsible......
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when t comes to Covenant, I can't help but be a bastard.....and yes I flipped this midway.....
Out of optimism, I like to imagine one of the first vault 101 recon teams scouting the capital wasteland found themselves in over their heads. Seeing, without foreknowledge, super mutants, raiders, and the like. In a hope that all this horror was exclusive to the capital, they routed north into the commonwealth 100 years before fallout 4. I'd also like to assume they found that covenant bunker and with prewar knowledge, made it a safehouse. Safe from the wasteland once more, they create like an underground railroad to harriet Tubman vault escapees from 101. After a generation or 2 (very possibly breeding with wasteland survivors) their names from the vault life were altered to possibly forget that former life or to better blend with locals. Through trade or travel they encounter the synth attack survivors the rest is history
Dope theory 🤝
thats a 437.7 mile hike you are talking about. the odds of surviving are minimal
@Lucifer Morningstar yes. The courier. The person Who litterally does it for a living. Besides, a single person can slip through where a team cannot
@Lucifer Morningstar these a top of the line, littereally elite soldiers. random vault dwellers would have no such skills,let alone all of them
It is suprising that 101s door wasnt welded shut with the only emergency entrance known only to the outside vault tech.
I thoroughly enjoy your videos!!! I hope you continue with starfield and other Bethesda productions!!!!
In response to the "What do the aliens want with us" question, I do believe The Lone Wanderer, from Fallout 3, had shot down that UFO that crashes in game, because it's canon that the Mothership Zeta DLC is the true ending of Fallout 3.
I think the aliens are just evil and they're motives are based off a desire to bring pain, death, and suffering and earth is just the weak nerdy kid who can't defend himself that they like to bully
*W A T*
But doesn't fallout 4 happen a few years after fallout 3?
@@larryhoover2541 It takes place like 700 years or whatever after the bombs, so. Even if it was a few years, the Fallout 3 protagonist is still in the Earth's atmosphere, protecting it
@@ballistickitten2163 Fallout 4 takes place roughly, judging by what Father says when he mentions his age, 260 years after the bombs drop, so hopefully that helps :)
I think 101 on the posters is more of a "This is vault life 101", as in it's a number that exists, but also as a pun for general guidance.
i played fallout 4 a few years ago but never finished it until recently when i started playing again. i was trying to get an item and the wiki said it was sold in covenant but when i got there everyone was dead and i thought it was some raiders or something (even though that’s probably not possible). you have reminded me of time i massacred the whole town after finishing the quest line
This is fairly recent. It's good to see people still talking about FO4
THIRTY TWO MINUTES WHAT THE HECK, thank you Nate!
oh man you investigations even got a mod to come into existence that fixes a scene no one knew about, fantastic work nate :D
What mod?
@@this_is_patrick The mod in the video that fixes the scene.
@@MajorShepard which video
This video "Vault 101 Survivors in Fallout 4? - Fallout 4's Greatest Unsolved Mystery" which talks about fixing the "Vault 81 - GOAT Sequence" thanks to the help of a modder named DevAshleyGrace. You can google "Vault 81 - GOAT Sequence Patch" and find it on Nexus Mods where the modder even mentions EpicNate in the patch description.
I trust this answers everyones questions, joking or not. :P
Even the docter in the convenant city has a vault-tec logo
I think that the settlement has been doing the same gig they have now for a long time. But, about 10 years ago, they came across all this new vault 101 outfits and GOAT posters, and they did a rebrand.
The pre-war aesthetic is probably origional; giving the impression of safety that would actually attract people (and synths) to them. But the way in which they have been detecting sybths over the past 10 years has been revamped onto the new and improved Safety Test 2.0, aka, the GOAT version of the Safety Test.
I remember my first time playing fallout 3 getting to megaton and having no clue what to do or where to go haha so I give up playing for a few days. Gave it another go ended up completing the game well over 10 times. Thank God I never gave up playing because I ended up completing fallout new Vegas and fallout 4 as many times as I did fallout 3 and all the dlc to. Fallout 4 kind of disappointed me with the lack of choices and pros and cons of completing quests in certain ways. But the more recent fallout games and elder scrolls games are pretty much the only games I play helped me through my bad teenage years i wont go into it much but these games to me literally helped me escape my bad life and also shaped me into a good person as they showed me a way to simply escape into a game.