Who Really Invented Corpse Paint?
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2020
- In Ep. 16 of #50YearsOfHeavyMetal, Joe DiVita explores the origins of #CorpsePaint and other similar aesthetics in #rock and #metal. #Necrobutcher of #Mayhem, #Immortal icon #Abbath and #KirkWindstein from #Crowbar all appear.
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Kings wife said in a Q&A that one of the reasons he paints his face is so people in the crowd who are even far back can see his facial expressions on stage.
That.. Makes a lot of sense.
That’s the same reason why clowns started painting their faces, it helps exaggerate their expressions
When it's cold and when it's dark the freezing moon can obsess you 🤘
Per Yngve Ohlin 1969 - 1991
This video really shows the importance of good audio.
yes, please, not everybody uses headphones.
@@BrunoNunes83 i du
I'm surprised Gene Simmons didn't try to trademark or copyright all of it
Throwing out a semi-educated guess before hitting play: Arthur Brown
This is the first name that came to mind.
Fire!! Do do doooooo
It was kiss guys
@@kylebible Hi Gene!
That was my guess too 🔥
It's really fun to look at all these musicians and see how creative they have been in decorating their faces. I especially enjoy King Diamond's look. But I'd say that the history of greasepaint makeup in rock music has been anything but straightforward. Arthur Brown didn't look "corpse" to me; he looked "tribal," and that image of him reminds me of Johnny Depp's makeup as Tonto in THE LONE RANGER. Kiss, meanwhile, were never exactly a "Goth" band; their makeup influences seemed to be Japanese kabuki, hippie Day-Glo, "Ziggy Stardust" glitter, and (again) Native American war paint. If I had to give one person credit for inventing corpse paint, I'd have to go with Walter Reimann, who did the makeup for the classic silent film THE CABINET OF DR. CALIGARI, painting Conrad Veidt's face in what was clearly a corpse style.
Arthur brown was inspired by Kabuki, I think. They have that same paint style of the face.
No band invented it. There were tribes doing that 1,000 years ago. They just took something that already existed and used it.
Keith Richards☠️
*....doesn't count... **_that's just the way his face looks naturally!_*
lol
Mike Bennett probably due to all the drugs dude is a walking zombie
Let’s hope the Stones never die
Fucking hilarious
Long live Dead🤘RIP pelle ollin
They even said about Sarcófago, but focuses on Dead.
But, well... at 7:21 we can see Sarcófago's logo painted on the back of Dead's jacket.
LoL
Screamin' Jay Hawkins 1956
The first person i though of
Same
That was the first thing that came to my mind, but I can't find a picture of him wearing corpse paint (he wore a bone through his nose). I did however find Screamin Lord Sutch which I found some referencing when someone else mentioned Jay Hawkins . ua-cam.com/video/c2ZsWENob1s/v-deo.html
You right
Kabuki Theater
Everyone knows it was Gene Simmons, he invented air as well.
He also invented the 'rock on' and put wings on flies.
And breathing! And shoes!
Gene Simmons also invented selling out & putting his band's name on everything to make a buck.
well at least kiss were the first famous band that had white and black makeup,i dont think black metal bands would have it without kiss.
Gene is God.
Durr.
King wasn’t the first, but damn did he make great music with a badass image.
King Diamond anyday 🎤🐼
King diamond not as good as Judas Priest but still awesome
Gareth Manchester What Judas had to do with the corpse paint imaginary anyways!?
The best band with black facepaint is BVB
LLTK!!!!
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I like this format. Keep going Loudwire!
I love how you guys still use the studio background when recording at home, thats great lol
I thought it was absolutely obvious: ARTHUR BROWN (1966)
Corpse paint hmm. The whole shock rock aesthetic was born with Screaming Jay Hawkins, because in his live shows he came out of a coffin and the microphone was in a shape of a human skull. And of course he screamed a lot. I mean, what else would you expect from a guy named 'Screaming' Jay Hawkins? But he didn't do corpse paint. Fast forward to the early 60s and there was that guy named Screaming Lord Sutch. I guess we all can see what his inspiration was. He played shock rock, his songs had horror themes in them and he painted his face full white. Plush the costumes he wear and his highly theatrical performances. I think this was the first time we really had corpse paint. But if you are going to discuss this topic with a friend or anyone it's safe to mention Arthur Brown as the first. Because he also popularised it.
I love this series. its cool. Also i'd say Dead relly got it to be "Corpse paint" where as with Kiss King Diamond and Alice i think it was just makeup.
Spot the fanboy
Corpse Paint is makeup .
You're right
Queen Elizabeth inventet corpesepaint
So damn accurate.
I know they’re distinct genres, but have a lot of interplay... surprised no mention of goth/death rock. Christian Death, etc.
Tf Christian death?
Christian Death is deathrock. It's a subgenre of goth music.
There's another obscure deathrock band that also used the face paint called Neva with Jacquy Bitch. Good stuff!
"he wasn't a very well adjusted fellow".
Well, that's a very nice way of putting it. Lol.
Corpse paint, as it’s called, has been around for centuries. Corpse paint comes from actually painting a corpse to make them look better for their families and for display as corpses used to be displayed for days, even weeks before being buried. Classical musicians, along with everyone else, wore makeup and I’m sure one or two wore corpse paint to help create a certain kind of look and effect for their dark music. Dead may of made it famous for black metal, but he is centuries off from inventing actual corpse paint or its name.
Calls Varg a scumbag, doesn't call euronymous a scumbag.
People say he did stuff.. some also say that the police were aware of the murder plans. So guess it's up to what people choose to believe
Both are scumbags. I dont know them so i cant say who is better, but i think vargs opinions are weird. I dont understand what he wants. Ok i dont think he is a total idiot.
Varg traveled 5 hours out of his way, allegedly to sign a contract, and murdered a man who was most likely all talk. He shouldn't have been talking, but even Varg admits that Euronymous didn't have Dead's rifle, or any of the things he said he did. People will always side with Euronymous a little more. They might _both_ be scumbags, one murderous and the other collecting the skull of his dead band mate and making it into necklaces, but who got _murdered?_ 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@jessiehermit9503 he influenced dead to kill himself and took photos of his dead body, both are bastards and have blood on their hands
ikr Euronymous made dead kill himself and made his corpse into a album cover
I bet a nice purse ,that my grandma was the original corps paint inventor... damn that woman was already looking dead when I was a little kid
I legit just choked on my drink😂😂😂😂
oh my fuckin god i can't stop laughing
Yes
Your GRANDMAAAAAAAAAAAA
A R T H U R
B R O W N
*The God of HELLFIRE*
*The One hit rock God*
Arthur Brown invented everything that's metal, except the music.
Yep. I just came here to say it was Arthur Brown, (when it comes to live music that is.)
I think Queen joined the party. Not using make-up but lighting and shadow effects on the Queen II album cover and the Bohemian Rhapsody video. Original glam rockers also have a small place in this story
Great. Now I wanna know who invented the bullet belt.
Motorhead
Bunch of possers in the comments, everyone knows Insane Clow Posse were the first ones using it
I thought it was...Papa Emeritus
Your face could use it :P
Quorthon ... what a great Artist
I thought it was eminem goddam
Whoop whoop!
Gene Simmons: I need royalties from all these bands because I made corpse paint
He actually did patent (or copyright?) the "black and white symmetrical" design and was threatening to sue King Diamond in the late eighties/ early nineties if memory serves.
Kiss was more clown make-up than corpse paint
@@HagathaBroomstick Yeah King Diamond had to change his corpse paint because was sued by Simmons.
@@mmestari he claims he was changing his paint anyway which I can buy because he has changed it a lot.
@@rufussamsquanch_6547 He changed it the first time when it was very simple to more complex. He changed it second time because he was sued by Gene Simmons. After that he started to change it, because he already had changed it twice in the past.
There's interviews including video where he says he had to change it, because he was sued by Simmons.
Tammy Baker perfected it.
Tammy Baker!!!😆😅🤣😂👍
Hahahahahaha...
No mention of Screamin’Jay Hawkins?
Way more influential than well-known.
@Alex Logan "No mention of Screamin’Jay Hawkins?"
Why would they mention someone who didn't wear any kind of face paint? Totally irrelevant to the topic.
@@mmestari he actually did man. Look it up he dressed like a voodoo zombie/skeleton.
@@rufussamsquanch_6547 He didn't. He had a fake bone attached to his nose, and no face paint at all. If you are going to tell people to "look it up", look it up yourself before writing a stupid comment.
Pelle "Dead" Ohlin
I love black metal because it's not just about the music. It also includes theatrics, imagery and art. It's a very holistic genre of music.
Black metal bands who skip the theatrics and imagery are hollow.
I enjoy your first point; I look nothing like someone who listens to black metal but it really is the theatrics (and to me just way too many subtle layers of interest within the music) that make me enjoy it, but "imagery and art" is a great way of including all that. As to your second point, incidentally I-for fun-watched Behemoth perform without makeup yesterday or the day before by searching for that specifically on youtube, and the comments are full of how almost "cooler" the band was. I found that fascinating. It almost means there may have been people in the comments checking out black metal who wouldn't have normally, because perhaps the theatricality of it all is actually a turn-off... not the music. (I'll never know of course.)
7:20 Dead is wearing a Sarcofago jacket...there was a kind of mailed-web of black metal bands connection at that time probably
No invention in humanity history comes from a sole source. It´s always an ensemble of zeitgeist.
God vid and a very interesting subject. From a production standpoint you need a lapel mic.
Is this shot in front of a green screen?
Rip pelle yngve ''dead'' ollin, you will be missed dearly. May you thrive in the freezing moon for all eternity.
Watches Lords of Chaos once: “Euronymous was only in it for publicity and Varg was a scumbag”
just what i thought
Yeah, if they did their research they'd know that Varg still is a scumbag
@@martinpazdera3904 Fortunately, your opinion isn't a universal one. Euronymous was a scumbag too. And so are many others. But a personal opinion, even if shared by others, is not universal.
@@martinpazdera3904 A highly intelligent scumbag...
@@christopherscott934 he would make a good spy movie villain....007: Dunkelheit
Overkill were also wearing an earlier version of corpse paint. Rat Skate talked about it in his movie. I remember seeing pictures around their first or second demo.
Arthur Brown!
the God Of Hellfire!!!
@@RickHeffe God damn right!
Yes!
You would be correct. I would guess less than 5% of the population knows he existed.
Awesome Profanatica shirt! Nice represent!
Kevin Ayers (Soft Machine) in the mid 60's and one member of The Sensational Alex Harvey Band formed in 1972.
I like this guy, aways very excited 💪🏾
I'm surprised Loudwire didn't suggest that Corey Taylor used it first.
in 1971 Osanna (Italian prog) already used to paint their faces during their concerts
Jon at the start, about !:38 rocking a ROK (Sadistik Eikution) design on the long sleeve T
Arthur Brown-Fire the amount of time he set 🔥 to his hair 🤣
"Scumbag Varg Vikernes"?? Why the unnecessary titel?
Almost 10 minutes of my life I waited for you to tell me what I already knew. DEAD
Glenn Danzig is amazing. He just released his 10th studio album a couple years ago. Dude's in his 60s
Yeah, but the quality isn't what it used to be. Plus Danzig's thought process is just weird now. It feels like he has legit albums, and then shitty vanity projects(like his cover albums, attempts at symphony music, and shitty movie). I liked Black Laden Crown, but it's a shadow of his former glory. And Danzig insist on producing his albums, and he's not all that good at it. And I wish he'd get rid of Tommy Victor. Tommy doesn't realize that every riff doesn't need to end with a pinch harmonic. All the annoying pinch harmonics since Tommy joined has kept me from enjoying those albums more. But Danzig writes the songs, and produces the albums so ultimately he's to blame. I actually enjoy Danzig's later catalogue, with the exception of Blackacidevil...the one album that's worse than St. Anger. But I'm all for Danzig retiring. I actually think he should have done it years ago.
What about Ozzy? He's like 71 and has made countless solo/band albums. Also Bruce Dickinson, he's done what, 14 Iron Madien albums and countless solos he's about 62.
Is nobody gonna mention that the dude in the picture isn't Glenn? It's Michale Graves.
Christopher lee was 90 when he started his heavy metal band...
Screaming Jay Hawkins?
Also on another note, I thought you own the studio, why film on a green screen then?
1968- “The Crazy World of Arthur Brown”.
End of story.
Stacia Blake, Hawkwind's dancer, wore elaborate makeup that often looked like corpse paint back in the early 70's.
Abbath and Immortal is always at the top of lists on most ridiculous band image, but every time I see them live, it just works.
King diamond has been around a long time like 81or 82 I was only a couple of years old then so the only metal/rock band I know of that wore full makeup before that was kiss.
Im sure there were some Vikings who sported corpse/death paint
screamin jay hawkins was the first to use a skeletor and bones on stage.
he deserves being mentioned.
Though they're not Metal, Kiss influenced many metal bands, in fact the use of makeup is one of their main features other bands adopted
They may not be full metal as you like, but they are certainly metal and were metal before most metal bands. They've influenced lots of metal bands and still do. Certainly influenced many other bands other than metal bands with their stage show.
@@wild1nc2000 Agree. And according to Wiki, "The use of corpse paint in the black metal imagery was mainly influenced by the American 1970s rock band Kiss."
And whether people like it or not Gene Simmons early outfits, makeup, and stage presence did look quite sinister. IMO KISS also pioneered what a metal band should look like with their early black leather outfits with accessories bought at S&M shops in NYC. Even if they didn't wear makeup no other band looked like KISS in 73-74.
I had a glance through and nobody seems to have mentioned Screaming Lord Sutch who was wearing full corpse paint in 1963 for Jack The Ripper.
Make a video about inventing Maloik/Devil horns please.
Dude there's this band called Metallica and their video for ManUNkind they wear corpse paint and it looks awesome. I think you should check it out, they might be big in some years.
Also make a video about the Brazilian metal scene. Even being a Brazilian I still don't know much about it and probably less than you.
my dad grew up on the same block as alice cooper
Well, you also have Alistair Macdonald "Zal" Cleminson (Aley harvey band, Nazareth) who used "clown" face paint in the early 70s. However, personally I think it's a bit different because Kiss - in part - and the others created new "characters".
Clive Archer aka "Jesus Christ" Venom's first singer in 1979
What's with the inverted comma's, with the fingers?
The King is the King for a reason......
First person I thought of was Arthur Brown .
People always forget Jerry Only. He was doing it in the mid 70’s.
screaming lord sutch , was doin' it already before arthur brown !!!
Was it before or after kiss?
Seriously want to know
Awesome shirt man!
you can actually see him read the scrypt lmao
The guy that inspired the misfits iconic image
Arthur Brown had a superstar band... Carl Palmer, Arthut Brown and Vincent Crane (RIP) to name few
Profanatica shirt... Nice!!!
Kabuki face paint going way back to 15th century
In Music . Screaming jay Hawkins - His voodoo look,
screaming Lord Sutch - Jack the ripper routine in 1964
Arthur Brown - Fire. Alice cooper.
Hey, take a look at "Secos e Molhados" another Brazilian band: they claim Kiss copied them!
Certeza que foi o Secos ,& Molhados
A banda Joelho de Porco usava tmb
Yeah, but the use of makeup in music has been around for a while- Alice Cooper started doing it in 1971, 2 years before Secos & Molhados released their debut album.
They sound nothing alike musically either... to say Kiss copied them in any regard is a bit of a stretch. They're throwing out wild accusations without a leg to stand on
@@scottbrown6248 you don´t need to be musically alike to get inspired by a visual concept
Sarcofago
King diamond or Gene Simmons or the demon in the film the exorcist , Pazuzu in 73...
Phantom of the opera
Secos y mojados from Brasil from the70’s
Google it just google it ! There’s some videos on UA-cam too.
*Secos e Molhados
Carlos Veloso Yes they were a very fun band.
In Mexico were known as Secos y Mojados which is the same in español.
Evil David Smith was doing corpse paint (and calling it corpse paint) on stage in 1943
kiss was for sure the biggest influence
Kabuki theater has been using corpse paint for centuries. Someone may have adapted it to metal but they didn't invent it.
I think Peter Gabriel in his time in Genesis wore some corpse paint too for brief time
The True scumbag was euronymous, not Vikernes!!!! But what was the first black metal band to drop corpsepaints..??
You're not wrong, however they were both huge scumbags. Although, Varg is more well known for being a terrible human being despite the fact that Euronymous is equally, if not more, of a piece of shit.
@@Fhyerfiyfek couldn't have said it any better. Finally someone who doesn't praise Varg for his bullshit innocence.
Yeah, I love how they had to throw in the “scumbag” comment when referring to Varg...wouldn’t be loudwire without some virtue signaling. 😂
Arthur brown
1968
crazy worl
Creador del corpse paint
When you mentioned Immortal ✨
Correct me if im wrong,the background is made with green screen right?Great video,as always
Lou Reed 🤘☠️P.s cover album Transformer.
I just wanna know how you can wear a shirt made to fit tight still look loose
Why you gotta call Varg a scumbag?
in Brazil we all know that it all started with "Secos & Molhados"
Am I the only one here who loves Thorn’s Grymyrk Demo of 1991
As far as horrific stage performances SCREAMIN JAY HAWKINS is the king. . I'm really happy that you mentioned Arthur Brown. I will say hes the one that began the corpse paint this . He even said that what he did was called the "death mask" in one interview. Another example of this is lesser known Scremin Lord Sutch .he was the UKs answer to Screamin Jay Hawkins. There are pics where he looks more "goth or death rock "like .trying to look vampiric but ok then again it wasnt the way that Arthur did . One other band that shouldve been mentioned was the the Italian horror metal band Death SS . They not only had the corpse paint they have a few songs that could easily sound like proto first wave black metal. Truth be told most really heavy bands in the 80s wore make up the non hairbmetal bands that were more on the dangerous or satanic side wore that paint around their eyes. Slayer, sepultura, mystetfiyer and Sarcafago etc.. look at even groups like witchfyned ... that was a dangerous heavy metal look - as if having long hair and ragged clothes wasnt enough lol...
Celtic Frost.
We just gonna ignore jay Hawkins?
Hipsters have not discovered him yet.
No mention of Screaming Lord Sutch either
Brazilian band Secos e Molhados came with corpse paint before Kiss. Search for it to confirm
Did everyone forget Rock n Roll Animal live album by Lou Reed? Damn...
every time I see a picture of euronymous I think “yeah varg was right”
Was it King Diamond