"Lords of Chaos" vs The Metal Community
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2019
- The long-awaited video that looks at all different sides to the controversial metal biopic, "Lords of Chaos." Musicians and fans have gone against it, while others supported it. Here, the movie itself, historical facts, and the motives were examined. It's all presented here for you to connect your own dots.
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"... they have a fat jewish actor play the role of me."
- Varg Vikernes
Its a nice way to fuck with him
@Mean To Girls lol
@Mean To Girls Aww you poor little thing.
I how they did it on purpose.
Should be a fat vegan trans hipster to piss him off a bit more.
Can’t stab people without a delicious chocolate milk.
I hate people with bad grammar. We should put them in the shower and gas them to death!
He even makes the chocolate milk wrong. Nobody makes it in that order here in Norway. And to use so little powder. Total Hollywood shit movie.
What about us dairy farmers that like to get the most Trve Milk from the cow?!
@@itspak7960 Dude, that's Kvlt ;)
@@Fireglo with there stupid morbid angel shirts
An inaccurate documentary is a sin
An inaccurate movie is entertainment
Except sin is cool
it just pissed me off
It's not the inaccuracies that make it stupid. It doesn't represent the essence of black metal in any way. It's fucking hipster trash.
@@andrewasimovic8650 Okay I enjoy some good old BM, but you must admit BM is pretty much hipster trash.
@@andrewasimovic8650 "the essence of black metal" oof
The real story of Mayhem leaves you feeling like "woah, dark" where this movie just screams "ooo, edgy"
That's because the movie doesn't tell it exactly how it is. Its been over dramatised and a lot of bullshit.
@@fordism.01 i agree, at least the scenes of murder and suicide are done well
@@aon5717 And Dead cutting himself on stage is imo done well too
I'll be honest, Euronymous was likely an edgelord, black metal is awesome but let's be real, what happened was an edgelord accidentally made friends with a right wing sociopath
Exactly
When Euronymous is getting out of bed, on the far right, it shows a Burzum poster of an album that came out in 2013 lol
That's a neat nod to future material of a crazy asshole
“far right”
ironic
@@deanyy3373 LMAOO
@@deanyy3373 Nigga what isn't far right to you pussies these days?
@@matty7006 the dude literally just said 3 words lol. The real irony is you're probably one of those idiots who's always bitching about eVERyOnE's SoOOo SeNSiTiVe while also being sensitive in youtube comments roflcopter 🤫🇨🇰😯👧🤨🥉🤴🏼
Let’s address the elephant in the room; who only puts one spoonful of chocolate powder in their milk?
A person that stabs their bandmate/record label
Monsters worse than Satan, that's who.
Posers not black enough
One simply doesn't drink tan milk. It must represent the pure darkness of one's heart or it just isn't Kvlt
I put less then a spoonful because anymore is too sweet for me
It's funny how the movie portrays the people involved with the scene mourning for the loss of Euronymous, when in reality they all expressed relief that he was gone lmao
@@MollymaukT name one person who said they wanted to kill him other than Necrobutcher and link source :) ill wait
@@MollymaukT also bands like Emperor, Darkthrone or Candlemass always talk positively about Euronymous and hate Varg, you are just making shit up
@@xioami135 pay them no mind. Mayhem has become trendy and it has attracted the very people Euronymous hated. These people come to black metal a genre about worshipping the devil etc and cry when Euronymous took pics of dead.
@@MollymaukT well, ppl say shit like that all the time, def they weren't gonna do it
@@xioami135 darkthrone doesn't hate varg
When Varg walks into the record shop and they all chuckle when he says his name is Christian, is pretty funny.
I hear it for the first time. Somehow when I read about this guy I never paid attention to his real name. I always remember him as Varg Vikerness, probably because it sounds so much more scandinavian. I mean Christian makes me think of Christian Slater.
But you are absolutely right, it is hilarious! A satanist named Christian, it is comedy gold! Could you imagine if it was the other way around? A priest named Lucifer or something...
@@toro5280 Varg never was a satanist. Not even one second.
@@CallOfEuropeanSpirit Ok, not a satanist. A black metal musician then. Still funny.
@@toro5280 He was a right wing Nazi. He still is, but knows to hide it better.
@@muzicdominator524 Varg , ou melhor Cristian , sempre será um poser maldito , ele nunca foi satanista é um maldito nazista . Vamos enviar o o jogador de futebol Vampeta aqui do Brasil para resolver o problema nazista dele . 😆😆😆😆🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
"Euronymous didn't die for this."
*"He did."*
If anything, Dead didn't die for this.
thsi movie insulted dead, and euronymous asked for it, unlike how the movie portrayed it, he said hes gonna take him out to the field and torture him
@@d3athsqvadanthem609
Everyone and their mother were planning to kill Euronymous.
SuperSaxon Thrasher666 look up what the law says, also varg tells the story and has countless bands that says that euronymous had it coming and how actually him and dead were never friends and he antagonized dead to kill himself and conspired to kill varg
SuperSaxon Thrasher666 his sentence was lessened... like bruh
Varg's actor and how he is presented in the movie is just pure cringe.
That laugh though. Am I right? XD
Varg is the essence of cringe though
Well they can hardly lump praise on a convicted murderer and neo nazi can they? And well it probably was that cringe inducing when it actually happened
@@hexed5307 he does say some things that make sense, but also some things that are retared
@@melanphilia yea i miss-clicked i was on my phone
Mayhem is a story of corruption. Euronymous wanted to create something special, something that he wanted to keep underground, and feared. He tore apart the very thing he tried so hard to create. He pushed his friends into doing things that would end up destroying him. This is not a story of comedy, this not a story about love, this isn't a story with a happy ending. It's a story of young kids killing themselves, killing others, and committing acts of arson. It's a tragedy. It should be treated as such.
Lmfao "he wanted to create something special"? He created the notoriety of mayhem and basically the second wave of Norwegian Black Metal. You just discovered mayhem your comment shows. And guess what? When he died mayhem went to the grave with him. Poser
I wouldn't exactly say the movie ends on a high note or anything
I actually view it as a modern-day Greek tragedy. Would work well as a stage play
Funny how Black Metal wants to be as inaccesibile as possible but it's everyone's top favourite Metal genres... I didn't look at the numbers but lots I know or that I saw online claim how much they love it, I know like 1 friend who says he doesn't prefer it to something else
@@Bobby14Yeah but that's only if you are on the younger side and don't necessarily know what it was like before we had everything at our fingertips. Back in the day you had to know by reputation alone, but as of now it would turn out that I had played my own little role in the history of black metal. I knew the very first black metal band to actually be in a major Hollywood production and there was one independent movie before that, done by a director that happened to also be involved in the movie that I am talking about. It was the first major Hollywood movie that was a "true crime" drama called Bully, who's lead actor Brad Renfro ended up dying young by tragic circumstances himself. I also knew the logo artist that actually did the logo for this movie, who is the same guy that famously did both Emperor and Mayhem's logo. Had I not lost touch with him a year or so before this came out I might have been involved in the process. He does reach out to other artists for help on occasion. I have been mentioned in an article or two of his going by the same screen name that I still use now. It's kinda cool knowing that I helped shape the genre we know today in some small ways. The logo I use btw was done by us both, you have to click on my name to see it though.
As a big fan of black metal, and understanding the falsehoods of the book the movies based on and the falsehoods of the movie itself, it was largely an entertaining film. If I was watching a documentary, maybe then I’d be salty about the inaccuracies. Only thing I hated was the lack of Dead, like you said, gone in less than 30 minutes is a pretty sorry state.
I am glad I found a comment like yours. If you guys are wanting a documentary go watch one instead, go see Until The Light Takes Us. It was in fact an entertaining film for me. And I do agree about the lack of Dead, I wish we could see more of his relationship with Euronymous (like the one where he sleeps on the woods because he doesn't like Euronymous' music taste).
Ya I dont hate the movie it definitely has its cringy side but it was still a fun movie...with awesome music! Accept,Sodom and of course Mayhem
Yeah and honestly I dont really think they went around screaming "Hail Satan" "Satan eats little kids" every ten minutes
the lack of Dead? at least he’s in it! they completely omit Messiah & Maniac and the entire Deathcrush era. the first 4 years of the band is summed up in a 12 second montage. blink and you’ll miss Manheim.
That's strange, I can't even watch it.
When blood falls
He cloaks the milk
In impenetrable chocolate
A meme rises
From the scene
And contaminates the tone
Suddenly
The horror is funny
Lol
Genius
Chocolate milk is fucking kvlt
That, sir, was excellent
I actually read it with gutural voice, lol
The chocolate milk thing was just so weird
According to my dad, when all of this was going on there was this whole thing in the norwegian news about Varg refusing to drink/consume anything white so he had to make the milk chocolate to be 'trve kvlt' so I guess that's where that comes from. Still an odd choice to have him make it while killing euro tho.
Dairy leads to murder, it is common knowledge.
@@gamleskalle1 Especially if you listen to Metal of course
@@pernilleringdal4296 > Varg refusing to drink/consume anything white
Ironic.
@@pernilleringdal4296 Varg said he didn't drink chocolate milk at all during that period of time so who knows. Then again he is known for bullshitting every now and then so whatever.
"He brags to Varg and Euronymous that he did it!"
"I did it."
I thought this movie was a black comedy that just poked fun at the edginess of black metal
i perefer to look at it that way over how it was intended, allows me to be able to actually sit through it lol
@@noisydope I thought that was the intention :D I mean, it is hard not to miss the poking there and it would be weird if that was just accidental :)
@@JirkaGasik yeah, you may be right. its incredibly hard to take this seriously. part of me feels like certain scenes were directed by tommy wiseau, its just a strange experience watching it lol
@@noisydope It's hard to take those involved with Black Metal seriously.
It is
Although Dead's portrayal was the most accurate, I noted that Dead merely chased cats just for the sake of chasing them. He never actually killed them.
The real story is He didn't like cats for some reason, and shot at one on the property one time and missed.
Pelle was just a poor guy that needed professional psychiatric help. Too bad nobody helped him.
Yeah, turning him into a cat killer makes it seem like he was something that he wasn't, like it tarnishes his memory.
@@danadoozer9990 Or maybe he was a cat killer, people just dont wanna accept that fact though
@@ultron374 he was a grown man who was aware that he had problems, and he did nothing about it. stop victimizing dead
Necrobutcher's actor looks more like Euronymus than Euronymus
Holy shit that's a lot of likes
Metalhead 420 I was actually thinking more like hellhammer but I do see Euronymus too
Nah he looks too tall.
actually he looks more like Hellhammer imo
Kyle the Son ov Baphomet holy shit you’re right lol
Dead's actor looked more like Varg in real life...bad casting
The end of the film when Varg is floating on that piece of wood and Euronymous silently sinks into the cold deep gets me every time.
"Let's make a movie about the Black Metal scene, but we won't include much music because we don't want to put off a wider audience." WTF?
They weren't allowed to use any of the music from the bands that were in the movie.
Yeah, most black metal bands disallowed the use of their material for the movie. No wonder.
It's a comedy making fun of a bunch of Very Serious idiots.
@@kimmolaine8069 Snowflakes were scared they were being made fun of.
Yeah let's make a big budget black metal movie that DOES put off a wide audience.
What do you do when you stab someone?
a)help him
b)run
c)finish him
d)C H O C C Y
As a big black metal fan, there were some cool “Easter eggs” in this movie. It left a lot to be desired but I enjoyed it for what it was, a movie, not a documentary.
Completely agree.
Definitely. What people don't understand is that movies like this are meant to be movies. They're going to have their inaccuracies for the sake of making the movie interesting. With all these rock and metal biopics coming out, people aren't complaining about the inaccuracies, so why scream about this one?
Exactly just a fun movie but not a documentary
@@dangercrue exactly if anything bohemian rhapsody is character assassination for freddy mercury and the movie pulls no punches at trying to paint the picture of freddy being the absolute only reason for queens shortcomings
Marvel movies have really made people capable of enjoying anything. Truth and accuracy be damned, references is all they need to make people watch it...
'dead commits suicide while alone and bored at the Mayhem house' sounds like a quote from a reality show
all of the 'hail satan' parts were cringe afff
Yeah I agree.
(I'm Ali Jr. if ye read my comment)
Yeeaaah... but the thing is that when people are young, they do a lot of gringey stuff like try to be edgy, get drunk and hail satan. Im happy that there was no cameras everywhere and social media so we wont be reminded about it lol
funnily enough the actor is really intelligent and compassionate in real life. talked to him via Instagram maybe like half a year ago can't remember the topic at all. he was really nice and i guess acknowledged the cringiness of his line delivery.
That's one of the few things this movie got right, the Norwegian black metal scene is all about satanism
the only funny one was when øystein scared the old ladies in my opinion all the other ones cringe as fuck
Aren't you forgetting another reason Dead's portrayal was the most accurate? Akerlund actually worked with Dead when he directed the video for Candlemass's Bewitched which Dead featured in.
Eh, he was an extra in his video that doesn't mean he knew jack shit about him
@@ReanimatorsMutilations it was a small role yes but that doesn't mean they weren't working together for hours and hours and later spoke at the pub and probably kept in touch.
@@Fireglo also doesn't mean that they did...
@@Fireglo and meeting someone once doesn't equate to knowing them.
@@ReanimatorsMutilations thinking music videos get completed in one day....
Ah, Beyonce. My favorite metal band.
bitch please (your username is my reply)
Hahahaha and don't forget about Justin Bieber. That too is also a great band. 😂😂😂
You posers, if you want true metal listen to Selena Gomez
I think what a lot of the musicians portrayed actually didn't like was that this movie humanized them and demystified a lot of these events, going against the "evil" image they crafted over the years. This movie is most likely not very accurate, but it portrays them as they probably were back then: a bunch of stupid teenagers and early 20-somethings doing very stupid things and taking themselves way too seriously.
It's so real in that sense. I mean, nobody can look behind peoples faces and appearances, especially in the past. But I have seen enough of the scene in my time to say that the vibe of the film really comes close to reality. That is probably the films biggest achievement. Sometimes tragic events happen because you slip on the stairs, and sometimes there is just a cocktail of youthful inexperience, lack of guidance and overblown self-aggrandizement.
This movie has one epic thing going for it: Atilla's son is portraying his father. You can't get more authentic than that. Other than that, I suppose the movie works as a brief summery for people not familiar with the early Norwegian black metal scene, though someone more familiar would be needed to fill in the blanks.
that is actually kinda cool, kinda
Yeah, I think as a movie it's definitely pretty good, and does what it's supposed to as a movie. Many movies about bands have their inaccuracies due to multiple factors so honestly I'm not even mad at that. And honestly, these people aren't the best people on the planet no matter what you believe. They could've done A LOT more than "paint Varg as the villain."
@@dangercrue its definitely good at failing in its genre. What ever that might be... Historical black comedy that really isnt so accurate nor funny? Lol what waste of time
@@raakareiska9804 this movie wasn't meant to be a documentary... it's entertaining and that's what it was meant to be. it's okay to not like a movie, you don't have to whine about it, there's thousands of other movies you could spend watching rather than typing out comments like that lmao
@@dangercrue yep, every film critic is also just whining
I like, Gorgoroth, Mayhem, Urgehal, 1349, Svarttjerm, Deicide, Behexen, Burzum, Carpathain Forest and....SCORPIONS!!!
Scorpions are a great band withsome great songs though.
@@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods winds of change is such a beautiful song.
I don't understand people's disgust for scorpions, they're a great band in my opinion, I've only listened to a few songs by them but from what I can tell, they're great.
@@trippydragon5486 Nah mate, don't mind them. Those people hate Scorpions just because they are not heavy metal and have wholesome lyrics
I didn't like the makeup in the movie. It looks too clean.
Yep, and Euronymous looks like a sad clown on the cover :/
Everything looks too clean I think
I think the band members look too clean, especially Dead!
The lighting and camera also just looks too soft
I remember watching Once Upon a Time in Norway thinking “Dead” was like the black metal Kurt Cobain.
Lmaooo same
Weren't both their eyes blue? One blew one way and the blew that way.
I will chose to ignore the fact that you just compared a true musical pioneer to that whiny little cunt who's only notable achievement was to make El Duce's(may he be pissing in mouths in the afterlife) life a living hell.
Varg is now happily married, living in France with his 10 children on a plot of land growing permaculture.
And very rascist
the biggest tragedy is that euronymous didn't kill Varg
@@mionagocic7989 being an isolationist and being proud of who you are is not racist
@@presidentfresh448 dude, he literally talks about being a nazi and anti-semitic often
@@mionagocic7989 What's a "rascist"?
The actor who played Dead is the son of Val Kilmer, who pleaded Jim Morrison .
He "pleaded" Jim Morrison!? He was in court, charged with something and plead neither guilty, or not guilty, but "Jim Morrison" ?? ffs He "played"
Who's the mom I wonder
@@patrickmohan2220 lol. I plead Jim Morrison!
@@barkpeeler2000 Next time I get busted, I know what to plead.
Black Metal version of Spinal Tap 😂😂😂😂
black metal version of spinal tap is a finnish movie called 'heavy trip'. SO stupid. watch that shit like RIGHT NOW.
Exactly.....it also reminded me of southpark when the goth kids go around calling everyone else posers
This comment made my day! 😂😂😂😂
Watch "Until The Light Takes us" if you want the real scoop
Yeah but that's a documentary
@@ottobuco YES A documentary about what really happened...
With the people that it actually happened to....
What exactly are you trying to say? Lol
@@YZdude that it's for entertainment not accuracy. Just like how fury is s good movie for entertainment and ww2 in colors is good for accuracy. In short terms: documentary vs movie.
@@ottobuco That's why I said go watch Until the Light Takes Us because it's more entertaining and the real story also that documentaries soundtrack is amazing.
Lords of Chaos is garbage and so inaccurate it's cringy.
"villanize varg" well he did stab a guy to death: so thats kind of hard to seep under the rug
Yeah but sweep all the fucked up shit euronymous did to dead n then shit on varg is a dick move
People have been killed for far less than what that communist did. Grabbed peoples money, fucked up record business, took more debt from people, talk shit about people who loaned him the money... Yep he was a true hero of the story.
@Raaka Reiska I see that you get your knowledge on the subject from this shitty movie, a**hole.
@@raakareiska9804 communist?
@@sappysoda4938 You just learned that Euronymous loved communist dictatorship? He even visited countries behind iron curtain to get kicks
The director spoke on how he felt that it was important to show that these guys were kids at the time. And no matter how cool and intense someone tries to be, we all have moments of cringe.
From what I could understand, the 2nd wave bm scene in europe are made up majorly of edgelords
@@leetorry now why would you say something so brave and controversial.
"kids" in their mid 20's...People must grow up very slowly where he's from...
@@einzelfeuer_2855 As someone in their late 20s, I was still very much a kid until I was like 26. Before then I was just a kid pretending to be an adult without understanding what it meant. Now I know and laugh at shit I use to say and think. That's what the kid comment meant more than anything.
@@breathexhope Lol I'm not even 26 and I'm married with children and own a home and vehicles and pay taxes. Ironically people frequently tell me to "grow up" even now. I know people grow at different speeds but Varg was employed, successful, a father and killed a man all by like 23...I'd say he was an adult. Being an adult and being a mature person with a level head are far apart from the same thing.
I thought it wasn't bad. I thought the comedic aspect of it was to emphasize that the members of the band were a bunch of youngsters.
Except they weren't. Most of the events presented in the movie took place when the people involved were 21+ years old.
Euronymous was 25 when Varg killed him, who was 22 at the time.
None of the actors look old enough. And that probably was a deliberate choice by Akerlund. I think this is grossly misleading. Makes the audience think that the beginnings of Black Metal were just a bunch of teenagers doing stupid shit.
As far as I'm concerned this is a very lazy approach on the matter. Implying that it was all just teenage bullshit.
I started listening to BM in the 90s. I know for a fact it was more than teenage bullshit. It was an appreciation of the extreme, the "freakish", true human nature.
Something no scene provides nowadays.
nnoooo fukk nooomannnn some of them we're genius' and very complex the movie makes them look like fukkkkkin pusssy lil jokes its fucked and inaccurate also just makes a movement based on some heavy committed inn my opinion honorable shit look like something based on kids wanting to be all edgy and do shit for attention.... it was much much deeper. They were fucking committed to what they believed in out of respect for themselves and jus pure fukkkkin dedication to their shit. Not many other genres of metal can match up to that shit in any way I fuckkin love death metal but when it comes to black metal you can hear that shit thhru the music and its beautiful and shit gives you chills and makes you wanna break everything in sight but also like your finally at peace ..
@@barbarusbloodshed6347 Exactly, young adults in their early twenties behaving like arrogant teenagers with dress codes and rivalries.
@@MrOvipare That's literally what the metal scene is, yes.
@@barbarusbloodshed6347 Well I started in the 90"s too and I can clearly remember it being 90% of stupid teenage bullshit to begin with. People who contributed with music made a service but the rest is just retarded bullshit and a huge disservice.
I've met morons in all the scenes I've been a part of, hip hop, electronic, punk even fucking reggea and ska... But Black Metal takes the fucking crown easy, no sweat.
Hating Everything and Everyone while living in a place that has arguably the highest standard of living in the entire world = Cringe.
Adrian Chavez im from Bergen/Norway and you couldn’t be more right. The mess these snotty kids made were nothing but sad.
that was the whole point dude... to be the complete opposite of what people were. To be anti establishment.
Funny how those two things seem to go together
I don’t really care about accuracy as long as it’s entertaining. However, I feel this movie would work best if it was about original characters based on Mayhem.
When you deleted the old vid it stopped me from watching it 3 min in. Thought you got a strike lmao
Which Varg is which?
@@isaaccurrier Well Varg only really likes 1 or 2 Thrash Band Soooooooooo
@@theresnomich5954 which ones?
@@AliJr_MetalGames_MetalGuitar Destruction and Slayer. Well actually he only liked Infernal Overkill and Regin in Blood.
@@AliJr_MetalGames_MetalGuitar Varg isn't that big of a Metalhead he only like some Metal Albums/Tracks. He even said that Iron Maidens Debut is the only Metal Album he likes front to Back.
I'm not even a black metal fan but the lines seem cringey, HAIL SATHAN
They were young, I bet being a fly on the wall in the scene would have been pretty cringy. I was a part of a scene in Bergen in mid oughts we were super cringy.
@Horror From Below Maybe most people don't find it cringy, it's a fairly subjective concept. Or maybe it's hard for most people to see beyond the popular part of popular culture and look at it in critical way. I'm not entirely sure.
@Compliment Thief even varg today is ashamed of the early scene he was a part of
There was air of mysticism and rebelliousness to the scene that people found Fascinating when BM was starting to get really popular (among metalheads) But in reality it was bunch of edgelord kids taking their edginess too far. The whole things was pure cringe.
The forced "Nazi Varg" jokes were more cringe than anything else to me, all the way down to the subliminal ones in casting.
From an outsider looking in , It feels to me like the director was going for young , dumb , impressionable teenagers to give the audience something to connect with, because we were all young , dumb and impressionable teenagers and it gives you some understanding as why that horrific shit happened in the movie.
The one film that represented music history right, and also could get away with totally made up happenings was Almost Famous. Putting a fictional band in the scene with real contemporary bands from that era was a brilliant move. Stillwater was neither Led Zeppelin, The Eagles or any other band, but at the same time they were a little bit of a lot of different bands. The movie shows great respect for the real history, but mocks it enough to not feel like a push-over. And, it also has an amazing story tell that really gets to you. And also the best fucking track list ever!
That mark wahlberg rockstar movie, even though it's clearly about ripper Owens' time in Judas priest was pretty good in describing the scene n making up events
The whole movie is kinda bullshit, but at the same time I love it. But this movie shouldn't have been marketed to a mainstream audience.
So what, it was a good movie regardless.
I don't think you should prohibit "outsiders" to watch this movie, that said fans of black metal will problably find more value out of a movie concerning this topic than other people. If you are refering to that this movie might not be that accesible to other people, keep in mind that a lot of things were watered down so maybe you have a point.
It wasn’t, Idk anyone who’s seen this movie besides people who know the story
It kinda depends on what your definition of a "mainstream audience" is. It was an indie production with a pretty limited theatrical run. I don't think it was even on the radar for most moviegoers. It has less than 10,000 user ratings on IMDb (Joker has nearly 400,000 ratings). Mayhem as a band is more mainstream than the movie (in terms of popularity) lol
Actually this movie is better suited to a mainstream audience than it it to metal fans.
Body Count is the best black metal band
Amen, brother...Cop Killeeeeeeeeeeerrrrr!!!!
No it's not
@@nihilzahak7112 you are correct . The only Black Metal band worth mentioning is Ohio 1984 true Metal masters Black Death
God Forbid is the best black metal band
You are all poseurs
I think this movie would've been amazing if they had gone all the way and made an insanely farcical dark comedy
Honestly, I don't care how many liberties were taken. The story has changed so many times at this point that they even acknowledged it in the title. Although it's strange that they made a girlfriend chatacter up.. it did nothing for the story
The story hasn't changed. The facts haven't changed. It's very easy to piece together the reality of the situation from police reports and verifiable eyewitness accounts, as some excellent books and articles have done. The story only "changes" inasmuch as lazy intellects don't know how to discern properly researched and cited literature from crap.
Honestly all the women in the story had no purpose other than appeal to the male gaze or be treated badly to show how much of an asshole Varg and the others are. 🤷♀ (With the exception of Euro's little sister who's only there to establish his humanity.) The part where Varg forced the girl to remove her top was completely unnecessary, and kinda sleazy on the writers' or director's part, given the fact that this never happened and was thrown in for plot. The white supremacy, church burnings, murder, and pushing Dead to kill himself already did a good job establishing the characters' depravity because all that is true.
@@giselletorres4156 Absolutely. Anytime someone tells the story, it's always flooded with "Actually that's not how it happened". I've pretty much given up on hoping for a 100 percent accurate story. I do agree though, that scene was unnecessary, but I guess I do see the purpose for it as far as the Varg development goes
Of course Erik from Watain said it was "intense." Enough said.
Varg was already making his own music BEFORE Burzum.
@Danny Dircio that is pretty much what I meant
he is the only person behind the Burzum. what other music do you mean ?
You have a really loose definition of "music".
@Bartosz Biniek he played on a couple of demos for a bunch of nobodies. Hardly worth mentioning. I'm sure every character in the film was doing some other music before Mayhem. I don't see anyone complaining that they didn't mention Morbid Dead's old band in the film.
@Bartosz Biniek are you seriously claiming there were no metal bands in Norway in 1988? Very few Black metal bands sure but Old Funeral weren't black metal when they started. They were another death metal band that switched to black following Euronymous' innovation.
“HAIL SATAN!”
Dead: *angered grunt*
I’m sorry but that shit made me laugh so hard
My take is it used a story to get across a message about Edginess and how getting into an edgelord pissing contest can go bad, more than a biopic about a band. As a film, divorced from the source material, it's better than it has any right to be, but as a film about Mayhem or Black metal as a whole, well you summed it up nicely, depends on what you think of those things how you will see it.
RIP Per Yngve Ohlin (Dead)
RIP Øystein Aarseth (Euronymous)
@David Gibson fuck you bitch
@David Gibson eejit! Ha
Anyone that says fuck dime is a fucking retarded
i love black metal but not gunna lie the movie was entertaining inacurate but entertaining
Alot of really good historical films where 100% accurate anyway. All that matters was that the film is good and captured the heart of source material or at least gives the viewers a new view to see the source material.
Lords of Chaos doesnt do any of what I said.
It's sad and fucked up really
It's a good movie for getting wasted with your metalhead friends and having a good laugh at all the nonsense in it.
Lee Torry it made kristian look like a scared kid. That’s pretty accurate.
After watching this movie, I realized this was just an attempt to prevent more of the grisly details to the public. Movie was entertaining but if you're a metal fan, you'll know this was just an entertainment piece. If someone wanted to actually add everything that happened, it would turn into a series of seasons.
at least varg is wearing an old funeral shirt, that’s one thing they got right
I love the fact that they casted a Jewish actor for Vargs role 😂
Why? The movie is pure slander
@@CoolCakesJack because it pissed of Varg, and everything that pisses him of is a good thing imho.
@@Shamash9898 why is that a good thing? Could you explain why?
@S K G "anything I don't like is degenerate"
@@Shamash9898 Varg didn't like the way anything in the movie was portrayed. He actually defended the memory of Euronymous, saying that the portrayal of him as a wimpy, innocent, and naive boy that cowardly begged for his life is slander; that he was actually a twisted, perverted, nefarious egomaniac that fought to the death. To be fair, most of the people that were a part of that scene back in the early 90's think the same thing... he even said that in this video.
As a matter off a fact, Necrobutcher did an interview about 2 weeks ago saying that he was actually preparing to go and kill Euronymous himself when he got the news he had already been killed.
I liked it and I can be kind of snobby about Black Metal tbh. I just watched it as a Hollywood movie about a band named Mayhem not the real Mayhem. I didn't take it personally and just enjoyed it for what it was. I say go into it with a open mind to watch a humorous and sometimes gorey movie. Fun for the whole family. Watch it in church even.
It's PAK and then proceed to burn the church afterwards
I definitely felt updated to new filming here. As I worked my way through several shocks, I deeply appreciated how you went about expressing the difference in movie making to real life events. I don’t think that’s generally explained often enough and making the comparison with The Doors and other movies on the semi-documentary style really helps! I was going over in my mind how much I took Sid & Nancy to be true: not much. But the excitement of how the story comes out on screen can help to lead a person into further study of the events. There are times we’re disappointed to have been misled, but other times it’s a good influence to look into the reasons behind that and get as much of the “true” story as possible.
This is probably the most mature and reasonable review of the film.
Damn im glad i saw this after i watched the movie, this would be a serious spoiler lol. Well, this is my input on the movie. I actually really enjoyed it. But i hate that the Mayhem story is twisted. Im a fan of Mayhem and i feel like the true history itself would have been good enough for a movie.
Weren't Mayhem doing drugs back then? Didn't Dead Have drugs at the timing he killed himself?
Joshua Jasso Dead never took drugs, he didn’t like them
@@mephistopheleslair8466 He was a drugs
Silver17S he wasn’t but sure believe that lol
@@mephistopheleslair8466 yeah he was to some people
What do they have against Scorpions?! They're a great band!
Because Euronymous was a type of guy who hated most of the popular band, thinking them as posers. He especially hated the Death metal scene
The Scorpions were waaay too mainstream - oh wait, Euronymous liked Kate Bush.
because they fucking hated everything.
It was supposed to be Motley Crue apparently, but they wouldn't let them use the logo and album cover.
Von Armagedda That's not entirely true, as Euronymous really liked Pink Floyd
if you look at lords of chaos as a fictional movie based on true events and don't get bothered by inaccuracies, like movie-varg being only half as cringy as in real life, it's not a bad movie. i enjoyed it.
I agree fuck these pussies crying over it like girls lol
I don't really care about the inaccuracies so I think I would enjoy this film.
Its a great movie. Fuck all these varg apologists. Hes a fucking nazi piece of shit
Yeah I thought the same. Before I watched it for the first time I knew that there were some untrue things about it. Despite of what actually happened, I enjoyed the movie for what it is. And it grew to me more. I watch it every now snd and then.
Nah...the movie is bad because its bad....it could be 100% fictional...still awful
I was in my late teens when all happened and my first exposure to the scene were the Kerrang articles. Ultimately, like what the narrator said, it's a perspective. Ultimately, it's meant as entertainment and an entry-level introduction to the scene. You can't take this film too seriously, I'd put the film in same category as Braveheart or even the TV show "Vikings". It's an undertone of truth packaged in a envelope of "artistic license". I personally enjoyed the film, just like I enjoyed Vikings and Braveheart.
i was SUPER skeptical of LoC after hearing all the diff reaction. i finally watched it this week. And it is actually a very good film; tightly directed, very nice cinematography and (OH MY GOD!)...humor. It's also a pretty nice depiction of young, artists on the verge of creating some pretty timeless art. It captures metal heads of the era (yeah I was there - not Norway but deep into underground metal) really well. It dares to show these young guys in everyday moments, not being "metal" or "evil". I suggest watching it as film MOSTLY based on what went down sometimes in great detail. Obviously it takes liberties here n there - its a movie after all - but I didnt feel this detracted from what is really enjoyable film. The violence is quite brutal which I was not expecting. That was pretty tough to watch ...(sorry, 'stabbing' and 'cutting' really freaks me out) and that's my only real complaint!
Fun fact, Val Kilmer played Jim Morrison in The Doors film and his son Jack is the actor playing Dead in Lords of Chaos. Didnt realize that until I'd seen the movie haha. SPent the whole time squinting my eyes and thinking "Hang on a minute, he looks familiar..."
Haha! That’s why it was on my mind a little. A channel years ago called Dead, “Batman’s son”
I feel like this movie was made to make fun of black metal and the fact that none of the portrayer's look like the real band or have Norwegian accents is just bs but overall it is watchable
This video is everything I hoped it would be. Insightful, intelligent, entertaining and well-edited. You're a talented guy.
Black metal fans needs to stop taking themselves so seriously... this movie portraits the tragic and comedic parts in the whole story. They were teenagers. No one alive really knows what happened because there’s so many different versions. I loved this portrayal and I’m a true fan of the music.
Fenriz knows *all*
It really feels like a movie just meant to make varg look like a poser and a villain
Half true. But really they weren't goofy like this i think they still maintained thier ground on being serious from both sides but I wasn't thier so who really knows its like Manson and the girl's Hollywood really portrayed false story and all with helterskelter Manson laughed at the beatles he didn't even like the Beatles and was older then the Beatles
Never believe the media and Hollywood
@@astarothdashaalisacccbriga7726 they were very goofy. Private videos shows just how fun they seemed to have.
I want a shirt of "O' Boy" chocolate milk. Hahaha
I’ve seen this movie 4+ times and I’ve become more and more appreciative of it.
So people don’t like it because it’s inaccurate? What biopic is 100% accurate? There are changes to the story for dramatic effects. Also, it doesn’t matter if this movie followed the book, Until the Light Takes Us, Once Upon a Time in Norway, ect., no one will ever know what actually happened between Varg and Euronymous because no one else was there and Varg isn’t known to tell the truth.
This movie really wasn’t bad because it’s actually quite an accurate depiction of what the metal scene is like and uses bits and pieces of a true story to show that.
the problem wasnt the inaccuracy, its the horrible acting and dialogue that really makes one cringe
TheMadMattster have you even been around the black metal scene? It really is kind of a circus.
When you can't even get the real people's nationalities right, man...
I read Lords of Chaos several times when I was younger (bought it in 98) - I’m not going to lie, it was very instrumental in getting me into Black Metal, mainly by mapping out which early BM bands to seek out. As I learned more about BM I realized how bad the book was; I got rid of it but being honest, I’ll admit how important it was to me as far as discovering BM.
The movie makes the book seem like real history.
I was a teen/young adult in the late 90's/early 00's with a group of friends not entirely unlike this cast of characters here. We all worshiped the black metal scene from this era and did many things (outside of church burnings, though we did other things to churches). Not everyone lived through that period of our lives either. While the exact events and depictions aren't exact or always great - I do think this movie did a somewhat decent job capturing the spirit of that kind of lifestyle.
Alright you are just straight up spoiling us killbot.
Morbid Apple its alright, movie wasnt that great anyways. Too many awkward moments. The stabbing of euronymous was awkward as fuck man. Hard to watch. Like second hand embarrassment
@@NotHardcore95
I don't know WTF they were thinking.
Even as a black metal fan the movie was enjoyable with some funny moments, this movie only pissed off those who were involved in these events and the Varg Vikernes fanatics.
Honestly, "The Doors" movie got me into the Doors music. I was 9, I'm now 38 and still love the Doors. I've been a Mayhem fan for almost 12 years now. When I heard about the "Lords of Chaos" film, I was skeptical. I really enjoyed it though. It had a high and low, kind of roller coaster vibe to it. I've actually read Varg's portrayal of the murder of Euronymous. That was an intense moment in my life. I can still see the orange/yellow background on Varg's website...
Finally checked out this movie and it was really entertaining. Rory Culkin did an amazing job! I felt so bad for him at the end. Great review! It inspired me to get this movie :)
The worst about this movie is that Snorre Ruch (Blackthorn) from Thorns is just described as "Varg's driver".
sad because Snorre Ruch wrote some of Mayhem's best riffs
Well I believe that the fact the movie demysticised all the big characters of BM by just having them protrayed in their normal (mostly) young adult lives, pissed off fans. It's not so much about the supposed "inacuracy" since most BM fans I know just take things musicians say for granted because they admire them so much. Varg could tell endless stories about him stabbing euronymus to death in "self-defense" and fans would still believe him. You just don't want to take those guys corpse-paint off because it takes away a big deal of the BM image.
As a 40 year old adult......I can watch and enjoy it and I can listen to Black metal and enjoy it..... here is the great thing...I can research stuff myself and figure out what is closer to the truth. Im not a 12 year old whining about whats real and what isn't. I have read the books, watched the movies, read the articles, watched the documentaries.......and somewhere in all of it is the truth. So just enjoy the ride. Just watch the movie and enjoy it. I started listening to Black Metal in 98 or so. I loved it then and I love it now but I can just watch and enjoy the journey.
I'm so stoked you were able to put this back on UA-cam!
Thank you!
Curious about what you corrected, I didn't notice any errors in the original :)
I really enjoyed the movie. It reminded me of something like a metal version of Lords of Dogtown or Scott Pilgrim (take that as you will)
I can definitely see why it'd be divisive for people invested in the subject material, but just as a movie and especially with Rory's acting, i thought it was pretty good
lords of chaos COULD have been good. In fact, many scenes, especially those involving dead, were well done but the atrocious acting and writing made the film laughable
It was somewhere between Michael Bey and Saturday morning cartoon.
"Varg wasn't a clumsy poser who did things to fit in with the Mayhem guys"
Umm yes he fucking was xD Even his own mother said this in an interview. He looked up to Euornymous and wanted to be just like him then later realised he was all talk and no action.
I don't trust what any of those guys say. I think they all believe the hype around themselves, and do everything they can to perpetuate the myth.
Exactly, they were always all theatrics and tall tales. None of them will ever admit being cringy teens doing shit for attention and clout, most are still cashing in on the same bullshit made up version of the stories were they are the badasses
finally some common sense
3:02 Say what you want, but I chuckled at this
Personally I think they should do a movie on the rise of thrash metal
it would literally be 3 hours of people with bad hair vomiting on acid washed jeans and High Top sneakers.
@@ambassadortourettes753 Entertaining enough!
Hmm, didn't notice the minor errors at all, but whatever, another excuse to watch it again.
"minor" you're kidding right?
alright buddy
I know the real history and the movie was still entertaining. Who cares
I agree
Slightly cringey but yeah entertaining
Johnathan Jaco fits perfectly with the black metal scene. It’s cringe entertainment for weird kids.
@@foxontherun4754 indeed
You do? who the fuck are you? where do you know these guys from?
I watched Until the Light Takes Us first. It was dark as hell. Lords of Chaos was like a parody made to appeal to mainstream movie fans. Anyway, I finally got to see Mayhem live in India in 2023 🤘
Some albums to check out: Not sure if you have, already.
Acheron - Those Who Have Risen (1998)
Joe Stump - Speed Metal Messiah (2004)
Perc3ption - Reason and Faith (2013)
Dragonheart - The Battle Sanctuary (2015)
In the Woods - Cease the Day (2018)
other random examples of music that is in no way related to the topic of discussion:
2 Live Crew - As Nasty as they Want to Be (1989)
Pass the Udder Udder - Stan Freberg (1952)
Luka - Suzanne Vega (1987)
Grausamkeit - Christenschmähung (2000)
I liked it. Who gives a crap if the current mayhem members didnt like it. Those guys dont like anything.
Or conversely: who gives a fuck if you liked it?
I don't like Mayhem but this movie...dude...this is humiliating
New Mayhem sucks. Dead's personality and vocals with Euronymous' attitude and skills are what defined Mayhem and black metal as a whole
The movie is shit and cringey as fuck. Thats all.
After I watched it, I must say that even it isn't accurate, it is still a good movie.
something about it just feels so fake and forced
Actually, didn't Morgan from Marduk confirm eventually that he possessed bits of Dead's skull?
He was talking about the film.
Okay, I’m saying it.
If they changed everyone’s names, this would be considered a top tier dark comedy and satire about the Norwegian Black metal scene. Some parts of this movie, actually had cracking up.
Just a reminder: Lords of Character Murder.
Pretty good video, though. Grind on, Killbot.
nobody:
occultus: hAiL sAtAn
"looks like a parody"... well, it's because Black Metal WAS ALWAYS a parody! Over the years the stories have become legends and the people involved have become characters of an epic tale, but really they were a bunch of teens trying so hard to be edgy that they ended up burning churches and killing people. Nothing against the music, but we're not talking about nobel prizes here, they happened to be in the right place at the right time, but the people who celebrate them as rebels or talented musicians miss the point. Again, no offense to any Black Metal fans, not trying to shit on the genre, just the attitude.
It seems like you are actually talking about KISS.
All churches should burn
Where did Erik said it was "Intense"?
I remember he saying that it is a movie about teenagers doing extreme things.
But after all he didn't sound like he is on the pro side.