Destiny Gets Triggered Before Zoom Lecture And Gets Caught Screaming
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- Destiny gets caught yelling before giving a zoom lecture to a class...
Date: 1 Apr, 2024
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:00:13 Talk w/ PhD scientist about Jordan Peterson debate
00:22:37 Destiny vs conservative kick chatters
01:01:25 Destiny gets OneGuyed by chat and yells before zoom lecture
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Rubin Goes After Destiny, Jordan Peterson's WARNING For Ethan & Contrapoints Rumor CONFIRMED
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Bro, the Rubin bit is HILARIOUS!
Rubin should know better than to poke at someone else’s personal life.
He’s a self-hating gay man who has to spend the rest of his life apologizing to his conservative audience for his sexuality and decision to have a family with his husband.
They fkd up early on in their overuse of nudge theory (it just smelled of propaganda to a lot of people right from the start), & the framing and messaging was immediately political with Kamala’s anti-VAX approach while Trump was in office, and Pelosi’s wandering around Chinatown trying to make a point. Then you had Fauci’s masking indecision; I remember going to the CDC site trying to find statistics, only to find that they were conflating “influenza like symptoms” with Covid; suddenly nobody was getting the flu anymore. The “horse paste” framing and only two weeks to flatten the curve lockdown lie didn’t help their cause either. There were so many more ways they deepened the mistrust later on, like allowing (almost encouraging) BLM protests while simultaneously banning church services & closing Businesses. imagine the kind of effect that would have on a certain element of society.
I don’t know what they expected to happen from there, but to me it was obvious what would happen. Now you have an almost complete distrust from certain groups in any TV doctor or Official govt. medical spokesman that they decide to put in front of a screen…. which is going to really suck if we actually have a pandemic with the potential to wipe out half the population and targets kids instead of old and fat adults.
If destiny loves government overreach, let’s hear him explain the Amos Miller case, or Wickard v. Filburn. It doesn’t take a conspiracy theorist to understand how bad both of these are to our concept of freedom.
find the prism of the situation first, then work from there
The downfall of being a propagandist shill.... you are always wrong and the majority of the people that have heard of you, know that you are wrong. You have zero credibility bud.
That one guy in chat saying "Let us see the college girls" and it immediately getting deleted is crazy
Should have time stamped
@@faikerdogan28021:02:13
When we consider that this is a professional call that Destiny is on and some students will ultimately have his stream up to read the chat, I don't think it's crazy to moderate the chat more than it would normally be.
Mr. Borelli *owned* these college students with facts and logic
Barelli*
Montecelli**
Sigh. Woman just can’t control their emotions.
Seriously, for Destiny, one week a month is completely shot.
Lmao
Aren't we banning this meme?
I love how Destiny has created a community that can meme like this and everyone knows they’re 100% ironic
@@kingrainbow5432he doesn’t even look at us UA-cam viewers. It’s the Wild West over here.
this reminds me of the time he dropped an f-bomb a split second before entering a call with a class or something, and his eyes just about popped out of their sockets in shock lmfao. one of these days man, one of these classrooms is gonna get treated to a Destiny rant. EDIT -- code and timestamp of the aforementioned incident btw: v=PeMa_jqAtkA&t=33s
still sends me to this day, my god
Btw I tried the link but it says the video's unavailable
what’s the vid called can u add it to a playlist with the timestamp lmao
@@69hikikomori the vid is called "Destiny Joins A College Zoom Call", the incident happens about 33 seconds into the vid.
@@cogitoergosum9069 huh, very strange. I had to avoid pasting the URL since i didnt wanna trip off YT's trigger-happy algorithm but the name of the vid is "Destiny Joins A College Zoom Call". the thing i mentioned happens about 33 seconds into the video.
It worked just fine for me, maybe he accidently put the v= after an existing v= or something. @@Iridyon_M
It was difficult to watch Steven scream slurs and pejoratives at those college students asking about his incest take. Other than that, good video!
Agreed, the N-word usage was way above the weekly average.
Sometimes the truth is difficult to hear. Thankfully we have Destiny to speak truth to power.
timestamp?
@@markrutte5637 2:09:43
@@paulandreasallik up 257% according to my data of Destiny (Steven) Bonnell’s N word usage
Damn Destiny is really broadening his reach if these are his new chatters 😂
The idiocy was just…. Shocking
They have been around they just watch the second channel, its their safe space.
@@yupimawesome They had to have been trolling.
chat and youtube comments (at least on certain videos) have been crazy lately
He's gotten too popular lately. Another purge is coming
It is still a spooky trick that taking a quote or clip out of context is super powerful and people on the other side will just go "yeah that happened" then later they see a clip and go "he didn't say that! Read the full quote!" of course the full quotes or clips are harder to find for people so they usually don't care and wouldn't care to risk being wrong, even if it is alone on their phone.
Yeah I don't know how to fix that either. Like "teach critical thinking and media literacy" seems easier said than done.
I know I've done it too, it's just kind of natural for those emotions to crop up. We must be vigilant against our own biases.
People who are emotionally invested already know that there is a high likelihood of them being proven wrong with full context, so they actively avoid engaging with it in the first place. To the point where if confronted with the information, they play some of the most complex to the most blatantly bad faith & stupid rhetorical games, basically looking for any tactic that will stick, at the short term. This works to convince themselves and others to ignore their cognitive dissonance, and go with the flow of their favored narrative.
You mean how the left still says trump said "there were good people on both sides" I said he was referring to Nazis when he clearly wasn't when you hear the entire quote?
@@rhetoricallydefectiveay
You did the thing, gg
@@justifano7046 Ay i did the thing where i make a good point and you have no rebuttal 🤭
It was so cute that the professor and class was excited when Destiny said something the professor had spent a long time talking about. I really love these every semester segments with this class.
"I saw a logic puzzle and thought I'd come in and barely get there then explain why it wasn't dumb how I barely got there." - Bob
The one with the fruit? I feel like it’s kind of a dumb problem… or destiny is wrong. Of course we can evaluate the validity of a guess based on it likelihood.
-what’s under the bowl?
-well I’m not sure, but we’re in a kitchen.. and it’s about the right size.. so my first guess would be an apple
-Its 100% a banana
-you’re dumb, the bowl isn’t wide enough to hide a banana
-well we don’t know for sure, so both our statements are equally valid
What context am I missing?
@@eeyun5279 You're reading too much into it. It was literally "Is the guy obviously giving a logical statement right or is the guy making an obviously wrong statement right?"
Thanks for proving the point of the example. If you get this confused by a simple logic puzzle, youre probably low iq@eeyun5279
Dan is always right. You will learn.
@@eeyun5279Destiny didn’t explain it well the first time. We know that one of those 4 fruits is under the basket. We are evaluating whether if each persons statement is a logically intelligent assumption.
It's so funny having tax conversations with people and it immediately becomes obvious that their entire engagement with the topic has been "money good but take my money = bad"
Thats such a child way to see taxation lol
@@OdinWannaBe i mean, as far as it drives accountability on tax spending i think it's a lot more mature than "gubmint gud idc what they do with my money :)" while the gov spends your money murdering innocent people and overthrowing elected governments.
@OdinWannaBe
Children and Libertarians.
@@OdinWannaBe you think there's something wrong with people who take issue with someome collecting tribute at gunpoint and then wasting it in 1000 different ways including the murder of innocent people?
interesting take, what's boot polish taste like?
@@_jowNice strawman
This guy is being totally reductive when referring to John Campbell's arguments. He aboslutely cites studies that differentiate between COVID and non-COVID in regards to current excess mortality.
It sounds like Destiny is saying he is for progressive taxes that fund social programs, but only if its from the feds(because the only way to avoid federal taxes is to leave the country or commit tax evasion), he clearly states he you get nothing for your money in california, which would imply he is against some progressive taxes and social programs, which is fair. We all seem to disagree on how many programs(if any) and how much in taxes should we pay for those programs. I wish he would expan upon the taxes and social programs that are mostly useless in california.
Maybe he is in favour of state taxation but just happens to think the government of California does a shit job of it. It's not that hard to believe that even with similar tax revenues, some governments will do a much better job than other ones
@@krombopulos_michael How is it possible that California does a shit job? Democrats have 100% control of the state government. They don't have any pesky Republicans in power to mess things up.
@@krombopulos_michael Yes, that's the impression I've got from everything I've seen of him. Still, it would be nice to see him elaborate on this
Yeah what do u get for your money in California. Like not even social programs for poor people in the streets taking drugs. And it's not like there is public transport or public schooling or even public Healthcare to the level that it is in europe/south America. Like what do u get really? And you get taxed so much
Pepe wins
🏳️🌈🐸
that's cope, Yee perma W
PEPE 🐸
Cannot the pepes and the yees come together in peace?
Yeesisters, how could we let this happen?
Nice one Mr. Bogstrenelli.
Tax brackets are usually applied to people who aren't wealthy enough to evade taxes though. They're useful to apply progressive taxes to people of lower income to higher middle class. Special measures have to be taken for the truly rich.
hahaha Seeing a few American's that don't know about there own taxes trying to argue about taxes is wild.
Don Wilson!
He runs Iowas laaaargest wildlife preserve.
Don "the dragon" Wilson?
Don w Wilson? Head of the national archives under Reagan through Clinton? Great guy, New York Times was lying on his name fr
Is there an original Destiny vs. Peterson video on Destiny's channel? Or is it just the one with Destiny's commentary?
It’s on Jordan Peterson’s channel
No, but Jordan Peterson uploaded the full interview.
Full discussion is on Petersons channel. Destiny had an abridged version on his channel too though.
@@bloink3511, I know it's on Peterson's. I was just curious why the original also wasn't on Destiny's channel. I wonder if it's because Destiny wasn't streaming from his abode?
@@socraytes the original isn’t on destiny’s channel because it isn’t his content. He can react to it on stream and post that to his channel because it’s transformative. His guests can’t just reupload the video because they’re in it
I think sales tax is typically considered regressive
Yeah that was a really dumb claim by him.
I'm confused about taxes. Sales tax vs income taxes vs state taxes. Property taxes and Florida does nt have income tax? Federal taxes are constant to every state? Ppl don't pay taxes if they are low income yet some states don't pay income taxes.
Churches and other ppl may be exempt from paying taxes. Conservatives or liberals against illegals taking taxes or taxing for war bc it's sinful? Avoding taxes in a good way is great? This all seems so taxing and what is a Hasan? Just kidding. I watched Hasan before.
I somewhat agree with Destinys take on taxes bc you're giving money to government which may not be sin even tho he does nt see it as a moral issue. It's could be a sin of what the government does with the money and taxes aren't everything bc wealth associated in different areas. Plus it seems weird to be watching this bc all the cursing, and insults and yelling. Yet love the take. The truth will set us free!
At the end of the day, the federal reserve and money or coins all around can be corrupt. I want to go to burger king after all this. Christ is God!
It was eye opening to me that jordan peterson is so bought into the conspiracy train.
It's always a conspiracy...until it's not. The lab leak is a great example.
@@socraytes What a fantasticly pointless statement.
What did he talk about that is proven wrong?
Okay so can u explain too me the JFK assassination dont forget that all happen according too the government whit 1 bullet see bullets do wierd things when entering the body but not that wierd so they kill their own president and what we should believe there are no conspiracys then whats epstein or diddy hmmmmmm ? Evry county is corrupt and has its conspiracys thats how power works
@@m8s96, ironic considering your response was fantasticly pointless
The idiocy of the chatters during the tax segment was wild.
What percentage of your income is taken directly in taxes each year? All taxes, from income through sales taxes, to property, and mandatory programs like flood insurance? Answer that first, then we can have a discussion about taxation policies.
@@edwardteach3080 sales tax isn't a tax on your income so your question doesn't make sense. Also it's not clear why it even matters or what point you're making. You seem to just be saying shit
@samuelmorkbednarzkepler
Actually, consumption taxes are incredibly stable and well understood by economists, that governments plan their entire budgets around it.
Consumption taxes are relatively equal person to person. But they take a disproportionate amount from the poor.
But, all taxation is a direct tax on your income. That’s where your money comes from.
@@edwardteach3080 All taxation is a tax on your income, but when you add the word "direct" you're making it confusing. A direct taxation on your income is called income tax. The other ways are indirect.
Not just the tax segment and I gotta sadly say that UA-cam chatters are the same. The idiotic comments I read on here are driving me insane
It’s weird to think that people only believe one side is “making things up” or using fear to manipulate people.
groups on both sides do so
here is the difference, and you NEED to understand this, it is not optional for you to understand this.
The groups that do this on the left are EXTREME FRINGE groups, tankies commies super woke sjws etc etc. They have literally NO political support at all, even Biden is pro-israel. They have no pull in the US government.
Meanwhile, on the right, the groups that do this are the AVERAGE CONSERVATIVES. The AVERAGE conservative in 2024 is anti-vax and buys into conspiracy theories, this is a fact. This line of thinking has support in the CONSERVATIVE US GOVERNMENT ALL THE WAY UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, TO THE AT ONE TIME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. The difference is how seriously these types of arguments are taken by the people with power in that political ideology, on the left that level is NOT AT ALL, on the right that level is ALLLLL THE WAY UP
Bush era republicanism is dead and buried. Conservatives are conspiracy theorists in 2024.
36:51 - 37:07
That was hilarious. rofl
37:15 12% 😳 We are doomed as a species
"I don't get it, who are John and Andy?"
It’s actually 16.12%😭😭😭3.63% entered “not sure🤷♂️”.
that tax segment was scary. guys it’s tax season please remember federal and state taxes are different
1:09:16 Destiny poisoning the minds of the school kids.
40:20 Well even if we would'nt know if John or Andy know the answer it would still be irrelevant which fruit is under the bowl because the information we are missing is in Andys head (wether or not he has a good reason for his answer) and not under the bowl.
This is what Dan is getting at with his example imo
the implication is that neither John or Andy actually know what's under the bowl, Destiny got ahead of himself in who exactly he was explaining this to and didn't feel the need to clarify this initially which he absolutely should have.
He does then clarify that neither of them know in the convo with Dan.
The point of the question is to make this statement: The outcome of a shitty guess does NOT decide whether the guess was shitty. So if I DON'T KNOW what's under the bowl and I say "it's definitely an apple." my guess is and will always be a shitty guess, even if it turns out there IS an apple under the bowl. A shitty guess guessed by a LUCKY shitty guesser does not turn the shitty guesser into a good/logical guesser. The guess was always dogshit and will always be.
I’d like to see Destiny get into the climate/renewable energy debate.
It feels like something that is hard to navigate through all the bs claims, but I appreciate Destiny’s ability to efficiently sift through those
@@DaRoachDoggJrr can you spell that out for me? The connection is not transparent. Do you think it would be hypocritical to be in favor of reducing emissions and also live in an apartment building?
@@danielboucher5989apartment living is much lower emissions than detached housing
@@danielboucher5989 I'm using that. Thank you mate
Lol 😂
@@DaRoachDoggJrr
Nope, animal agriculture is not contributing excess methane. For example a similar amount of ruminants existed hundreds of years ago in North America. So animal agriculture has not increased methane output significantly.
No audio?
The fruit bowl problem was poorly stated. Andy never guessed, he just said he didn’t know. John’s guess wins by default because Andy never guessed. If Andy had guessed and chosen any given fruit then his guess would be as good as John’s and we would take the advice of either. If the example had an extra grape and Andy guessed grape then we would trust Andy’s guess more.
this is destiny at his most pitiful
Destiny: “Some Rachel lady at the CDC”
She was literally the HEAD OF THE CDC
I would have previously taken umbrage at this criticism but now I've seen his bad faith engagement with Gaza I see your point
Lmao, the leftist cope of trying to cover up all the wrong stuff that was said by people in authority is amazing to see.
Lmao exactly. She also said in a Senate Hearing “Data have emerged again that [demonstrate] that even if you were to get infected during post vaccination that you can’t give it to anyone else”
And on a different occasion told MSNBC, “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.” “And that it’s not just in the clinical trials,” the director added, “but it’s also in real world data.” March 29, 2021
Destiny is smart, but he's also righteously ignorant.@@henryburton6529
Saying that the establishment wasn't pushing a "the vaccine will be needed to end the pandemic" narrative is next-level revisionist history. If you think that the government actually wanted to let this come to it's natural *endemic* end, you simply don't live in reality.
Maybe a better question to ask in the fruit bowl scenario is "What questions do we need to ask to find out whether these are good guesses?"
Hearing Tiny lament that people make claims about stuff they don’t know is really fucking funny
If not VAERS, what was/is the gold standard? What other systems are in place for tracking adverse reactions..?
The actual studies. Israel did a study on 1 million+ people in early 2021. Doctors were highly encouraged to report anything to VAERS, even if they didn't think it was vaccine related. It's used as a wide net to narrow down what needs targeted studies.
The "it was never meant to be 100% effective at anything" wasn't the problem. The problem was that that's exactly how people were talking about it, and talking down to others, while it wasn't true. So I knew people that screamed that by not getting a vaccine I was going to get people close to them sick, and they took it so they could protect those people, then I never got sick and *THEY* got sick and got that person sick. So like I said early on, the idea that people COULDN'T get sick was actually a huge problem. I was acting like I COULD potentially get someone sick, and they were acting like they COULDN'T because they were "better than me." My wife had similar experiences, almost every person we know that's vaccinated ended up having a) more time off for covid sickness, and b) got more people around them sick.
You can throw stats in my face all f-cking day long, but you can't blame me for getting people sick that I wasn't even around when I never got sick and you did -- while you were around them.
Also you guys seem to all have this idea that people who didn't get vaccinated were sitting on 4-chan until 3 am trying to figure out what alien limb was going to grow out of the side of their head, and that's simply not true. I actually hate this topic so much because I still find everyone is disingenuous AF about the issue.
If they had said X10 more likely if you both interacted with others, would that have satisfied you?
in the first 10 minutes you contradicted your point of "this was never said" then admitted it was said and blamed people for either misspeaking or misunderstanding?
His point was that nobody was ever seriously advocating that the vaccine will 100% prevent the virus, and when those statements are made it's either out of context or a misspeak that is quickly corrected on.
@@ignotuscapillary8313 okay? My point still stands
@@SparkasmTV no, it doesn't. Your point is that he contradicted himself. I explained to you how that wasn't the case.
@@ignotuscapillary8313 There's many things just incorrect with what you said so I'm not going to get into with you, because I know, no matter what I say you wont agree, my point is that he said originally that "no one said that ever, no one said the vaccine was a cure or 100% effective" and then right at the start of this video because he's talking to someone who understand this stuff very well, he admits that some people said it and even someone at the cdc said it. You cant just claim "well they were discounted and corrected" who cares? It was still said, even by your own admission, we dont need to die on this hill of "there was no misinformation and if there was then it was misinformation" like yeah I know that but stop saying it didn't happen when it so obviously did
It wasn't said in the wider context of any whole interview or broader messaging. 90% of the time when someone gives you a quote on this you can scroll up one paragraph that entirely contradicts the initial impression.
Wealth tax sounds great until you realize how difficult it would be to (1) agree on a wealth measurement and then (2) do that measurement. Taxable income itself is difficult to measure and its definition is constantly evolving. Now stack that year-over-year under multiple rule sets and introduce an FMV element.
Their accountants can figure it out
@MrMerve-tl9my Yeah, I'm a CPA. I know it can be done. I have an idea of how the process would work. But policy doesn't exist in a vacuum. You need personnel (preferably independent) to do the work and competent oversight to enforce it. That's a serious hurdle to clear, especially when there's currently a major shortage of public accounting personnel.
A wealth tax also doesn't make much sense, just put a tax on loans made with wealth as collateral and nothing needs to be changed. Because wealth isn't liquid, in order to actually gain that wealth in monetary value it would just be considered as income and taxed as income.
Depends on the wealth tax. Property taxes are technically wealth taxes and those are used in many places.
i mean you could jsut do it on job paychecks or things like that
Had to stop watching after the "some Rachel girl spokesman for the CDC" statement.
How grossly facetious and bad faith of him to try and water down the demonstrably false answers given by the HEAD OF THE CDC at a senate inquiry as if it were just some random low level employee giving ill informed comments at some random press conference.
Fair enough on his part, since y'all downplay Trump doing literally the same thing & he was President of the United States
@@meteorwalkergg Brother, how deep in the "my party vs their party" zeitgeist do you have to be to post such a braindead comment. I've never voted for Trump and I never will. You're cut from the same cloth as right wingers. Too entrenched in your own echo chambers to contribute anything meaningful to society.
How do you know this person defends Trump? I don't like Trump, but I felt decieved when I heard that the "some Rachel girl" was head of the CDC.
@@meteorwalkergg UA-cam blocked my first reply for reasons unknown. But I'll rephrase it.
How lost in the "my party vs. their party" zeitgeist do you need to be to post such an ill-informed comment? I've never voted for Trump and I never will. But your methods of attack and defense are cut from the same cloth as right wingers. Two sides of the same coin. Wake up.
and trump was the head of the government who runs the CDC, and told people to drink bleach and inject bleach.
wanna do this "BUT THEY WERE ____" shit, I can go all fucking day. Trump was also the president of the Nation when he decided to SHARPIE a map created by the NATIONAL weather service.
Trump also was the one who spearheaded the project warp speed for the vaccines. Trump also promotes the vaccines and claims they were his great success.
How many of these one off bullshit arguments do you need before you realize how stupid and asinine they are? None of that shit means ANYTHING, Trumps statements don't mean shit to you, a single CDC head (not the head of the INFECTIOUS DISEASE) said some one off bullshit statement and means nothing.
She needs to calm down
People were upset by the church thing, because the same cities that banned churches (yes even outside ministries) had an exception for BLM protests. Your just wrong here.
did you listen to it at all. church is inside. protests are outside. the regulations were different.
@@kyleschmitt9964 did you read his comment at all? Outdoor restaurants, outdoor church, gathering in the park, going to the beach, etc. etc. etc. This was all banned. You people have the memory of a fruit fly.
Can you point me to which cities those were and which blm protests those were?
But also, for as much as you guys talk about the first amendment (which you have never read)
using the government to stop PROTESTS would actually be one of very few REAL, ACTUAL VIOLATIONS OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT. Like not the "I got banned from facebook after using multiple racial slurs" type of complaint, an actual legitimate violation of the first amendment.
blocking a church gathering is not a violation of that in any way, shape or form
and also churches just switched to zoom and it was completely fine anyway.
@@MrJpmoneypants I swear people just completely forgot about everything that happened during covid. Took only a few years to forget the horrible way people were treated. People were arrested for having a church gathering outside in the parking lot. Crazy people calling anyone who didn't get the vaccine murderers.
@@reddillon8425 🤣 bro read the first amendment before you spout off. Freedom of assembly? Like assembling in a church or in a protest! 🤣 freedom to “protest” is not the first amendment but you know what it is? freedom of religion and the free exercise there of! 🤣 Jesus Christ what an obtuse statement, and the arrogance to say “which you’ve never read“ as you’ve clearly never read it. 🤣 incredible!!!
57:15 but remember guys. He isnt out of touch.
40:00 that was the 2nd time daniel made me laugh. it was a good one though.
9:30 - "Thinking that ever that the vaccines were 100% effective flatten the curve doesn't imply a 100% effective vaccine and talking about which vaccines are better than the others doesn't imply 100% effective but um they'll take these like singular quotes and I'm like it is possible that some people spoke irresponsibly it seems like at least some Rachel girl some spokesman for the CDC maybe made a few dumb statements that at the CDC even publicly like said like hey this is not what our guidelines say but I feel like if you were like a normal intelligent human being you're listen like yeah obviously I know yeah she misspoke or she was dumb or whatever"
The "Some Rachel girl" is Rochelle Walensky. At the time she was the Director for the CDC and has made several claims, including;
"Data have emerged again that [demonstrate] that even if you were to get infected during post vaccination that you can't give it to anyone else,” - At a Senate Committee Hearing
"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.” “And that it’s not just in the clinical trials,” the director added, “but it’s also in real world data.”
Furthermore "Flatten the curve" predates the vaccine, and was to do with masking and social distancing. Destiny has Memory-holed the dubious information we were told and how it was used to push vaccine enforcement. In about 10 more years he, and people like him, will be the same people who claimed they never supported the war in Iraq. I guarantee it.
Buddy don't bother. "The science changed" smh
There’s videos of Destiny saying he believed the government should have forced people to vaccinate. You guys have already memory holed things he’s said.
@@ericwintjen1618this is kinda the point.
Neither side is capable or willing to have honest conversation.
"the science changed" rebuttals.
The "well how come this one person one time said this"
Etc etc the conversation is exhausting because it is 99.9% bad faith.
@@justifano7046 No, it's exhausting because on the one side you have PHDs, doctors, people with bachelors and masters degrees, people with 10+ years of medical experience, researchers... on the other you have uneducated conservatives. There has never been a better litmus test for intelligence than the vaccine 'debate'.
Cite your sources tbh.
I heard many on the left repeat allot of the same misinfo as the right 🤷 i had allot of questions, i opposed mandates but otherwise got vax and was fine
"i hope joe biden taxes me enough"
You could move to a higher tax state but you fucking wont 🤣
36:46 Ouch! o.O
Gpape is my favorite fruit
So I'm not sure I completely understand if you're so much for the progressive tax system then why are you saying that we need to tax the rich more when you say that we're already taxing the crap out of them I don't get it
His point is we need to tax to afford desired programs. He separately argued for a progressive tax system.
The key thing to destiny isn't the amount taxed, but what the government does. If the government is taking a lot of money and still not producing good outcomes, like it arguably is in California, then it needs to fix its budget.
I'm skeptical that there hasn't been a shift in how we discussed or understood the concept of a vaccine during the pandemic. While one could argue that the changes weren't significant (although they appear to be to me), it's hard to deny that the definition hasn't expanded in some manner.
Do you mean the inclusion of MRna vaccines along side things like live vaccines? Or something else? I fear that anti-vax crowd is going to put small children at risk, bring measles, rubella, and Whooping cough back in the extreme.
The concept of a vaccine didn’t change at all. Its a mechanism to prime the immune system against further infection by simulating infection. An understanding of the human immune system may be necessary to get this, but legit a basic human bio class will show you how that works and why the mRNA vaccine is essentially the same as any other vaccine. You need to understand the immune system (t cells, cytokines, macrophages etc) and RNA, thats it.
I tried this as an experiment actually: I asked my conservative family for a definition of vaccine. they said injection that makes you immune to a virus. I ask about liquid vaccines given by mouth in children. they back tracked on the injection. I then ask about the need for measles booster for a chunk of the population. they had to back track on that too. honestly the definition never changed. people’s good faith engagement just stopped.
the previous definition changed slightly because it gave the impression that all vaccines are 100% effective which is never the case.
@@BDKoala …. but it never was the case…
You have a negative right to self-defense, the right to protection from illness is a positive right that is not and should not be forcibly protected unless it's provably transmitted purposefully
26:37 only destiny could think that conservatives were pretending to be mad about churches closing
Enjoy your Trump Bible
They were ? Are u insane ? Couldn’t stop hearing about the dam churches closing
@@feelsweirdman8923 They were what --pretending?
So at what point in the video is the zoom call?
There are timestamps and the video is divided into chapters on the bar.
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We have come a long way from the Norm debate, its Professor Borelli now.
We don't need to know what is under the bowl, we need to know what they know. Assuming andy is wrong is only ok if you know he doesn't have information
In Canada they closed the churches and broke up gatherings in private homes but kept the weed shops open. Not that there’s anything wrong with with weed but Peterson’s insanity is totally justified Canada made him crazy.
We need a Canada arc cuz I’ve never heard of weed shops being open without restrictions. I recall stores had limited occupancy limits
@@wirelessbluestone5983all businesses had restrictions including weed/liquor stores
Their leader is just horrible imagine attacking the people who make ure food and transport it 😂 there something wrong whit that person
I feel like there's a notable difference between:
religious gathering of hundreds of people
small gathering of multiple families in enclosed space and
storefront selling a medicinal herb
like, it could be justified to close it, but the other two being disallowed doesnt inherently mean weed shops need to be
Grouping together at a church is inherently more “dangerous” than entering a storefront. People at weed stores don’t hold hands and share the blood of Christ. Lol
I did a deep dive into the excess deaths. The website doesnt take into account the change in death rates per year due to aging populations
That would probably account for decent portion but not all of it. I’d probably assume most of it was due to drug ODs, suicides increasing, and a couple of other much more rational reasons.
but the population is still aging. like the baby boomer haven’t even really started dying yet
@@broorb4104 in the us, there has been a gradual increase in the death rates since 2010.
And of course covid is adding to this.
@@shadowdante1102 but excess death waxed and waned throughout the pandemic in proportion to the covid waves
@@broorb4104 oh, im not saying covid and other factors had no impact. Im saying that the website ourworldindata has a flaw for how they are calculating the overages, which make them look much bigger than they are thats all.
I don’t really watch you, but I think you did great on the Peterson show.
We need to go away from the pitch warfare that has been going on for ages regarding politics. If you go into to a discussion/debate in trying to pin the opposition down, you’re not really winning. We’ve our believes and convictions and that doesn’t stems from animosity, but because we want want is best for the collective people as a whole, if you’ve any sense.
I think you went in with that open mindset. You’re not as experience, as someone like Peterson and that’s okay, and I think you’ve learned a lot if you meditate on it. You hold your own fine.
We all need a good natured sensible voice from the left, center-left - and that’s severely lacking atm.
So hopefully you do more of this in the future, and keep leveling up.
All good is eaten on bowls and plates which are almost always round. Boom.
Meant in the most respectful way I can say it, this guy really doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about in terms of the definition of gene therapy. Poly sci major is showing through lol
Are you talking about the moment 30 seconds in where Destiny says that vaccines are gene therapy? Just to be clear- that was a joke.
@@bladddeesa no no the conversation around 10 minutes I think. Can’t check right now but gist was classification of mRNA vaccine and their efficacy
idk. you sound like a conservative whack job
4:20 i’m sure some conservatives right now are saying stupid things. But I think this is mainly just word confusion, that DID happen at the time. People generally use the term vaccine to describe something that will keep them from getting infected. Of course, nothing is 100% effective. but when we talk about vaccines, that is more or less what we expect. That’s why most people don’t talk about flu vaccines. They talk about flu shots. (I know this sounds pedantic, but this is how people interact with these words). People out in the world. Most of them are not doctors, they do not think of these things in granular ways, they think of these things in general ways. So when the language is being rolled out, may have been used in a very technical way by the professionals, and understood, in a very general way by the average people in the country. I agree people should’ve gotten their Covid shots because it’s more likely to keep them alive. But they should’ve just called them Covid shots and not vaccines. People do not have the same understanding for the word vaccine the experts do. If experts, don’t understand that, it is an incumbent on them to understand how their language is understood by regular people. And no, this does not excuse stupid people from being vaccine denialists, that’s dumb as fuck and I don’t excuse that. Trust me, as a conservative I long for the days when it was just the crunchy left wing that didn’t get their kids vaccinated. The lack of institutional trust in this country is going to get a lot of people killed, and everyone everywhere can do a lot better at trying to push towards understanding in the middle. That doesn’t mean agree on everything, but having a common language and understanding is invaluable.
You are being way too generous. No one thought that the flu shot wasn't a vaccine until covid happened. It meets the definitions of a vaccine. It's labelled as a vaccine. The paperwork you receive when you get it refers to it as a vaccine. Every medical intuition refers to it as a vaccine. "Flu shot" is just a colloquial term that's many fewer syllables than "Influenza vaccine" and rolls off the tongue rather nicely.
What actually happened is that many conservative pundits and influencers started pushing this idea that vaccines must prevent illness something like 90% of the time to even be considered a vaccine. Conservatives ran with the argument, and then when they realized that flu shots are nowhere near making this standard, they resolve their cognitive dissonance by convincing themselves that reality is different: that the flu shot never was a vaccine. It's really just that simple.
Also, I do believe that we colloquially called getting the covid vaccine as "getting the jab" in much the same way that we call them "flu shots." It didn't really make a difference what they were called. Though I do agree that medical experts should learn from this and do better at communicating next time, since people's livelihoods are on the line.
The professor sounded like Judge Reinhold.
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Careful. Don't say that too many times too quickly or you may end up saying something else entirely...
Minneapolis 100% had outdoor restrictions. Its called large gatherings. They broke the rules. Rules for thee and not for me.
Do you think Destiny defends BLM protests breaking pandemic restrictions? (hint: the answer is in this very video)
@@LoudWaffleI don’t know where you were but Pandemic restrictions were hugely variable and conservative controlled regions had fully lifted them by June. BLM protestors mainly wore masks, Unlike the armed men who took over Idaho state house in Aug 2020.
@@LizStaples I didn't claim BLM protests broke pandemic restrictions. I said if they had, Destiny wouldn't defend them for it.
@@LoudWaffle the problem is he's ignorant as fuck and Minneapolis for sure had outdoor gathering restrictions.
13:32 this 🙏🏻
Does giving multiple candidates per district alleviate gerrymandering or is there some big downside to it that makes it not worth implementing?
That bowl fruit guesser game analogy is weak, if they are being asked what's under the bowl the expectation in the game is to give a defined guess response, Andy is taking a guess with a 25% chance and therefore has a 25% chance of winning, John saying idk here are the probabilities isn't a guess at all and therefore he has no chance of being correct and therefore forces himself to lose the guessing game.
You misunderstood the question. It was meant to highlight that conclooding is always wrong, even if you get the answer right.
If I predict on a random whim that I'll die to a meteroite tomorrow, whether or not that happens I'm a fucking idiot.
Your expectation that the "game is to give a defined guess response," isn't what Destiny said.
I see the spirit of what you're saying is true though, that Destiny should have cleaned his explanation up.
@@jenispizz2556 bruh your example is even worse than destiny's, In the past century, there has been one recorded instance of someone being struck by a meteorite and they didn't even die. If you predict that you will die by meteorite tomorrow with no specific knowledge/effort to place yourself in a known meteorites path, and it happens, that sounds like you'd be somehow clairvoyant, which isn't exactly smart, but means your predictions/statements about the future would be shockingly true and accurate.
ALSO, I mean you can call the person who plays the guessing game and loses dumb, but the person who refuses to play the guessing game because they're 'so smart' is probably dumber, what destiny left out is the prize in the guessing game is you get to eat the fruit if you are right, like why not try to win a free fruit bruh, makes no sense to just refuse + theres a metagame in the game, if you both choose the same fruit, and you are both right, you both get all 4 fruits, but if you are both wrong neither of you can ever eat the fruit that was true again + if you both choose different but are both wrong you have to only eat the fruit you chose and none of the other three, if one is right then they get a bunch of the chosen rotting fruit to throw at the one who chose wrong. Like the fruit guessing game is complex, but refusing to play is just way too weak.
Supporting vaccine mandates to have a normal job in the US w/ a new technology, abnormally short trials, and after mutations reduced the virus' strength(and we had better data/information) is nutty.
How did you know how much the virus would keep mutating before it happened? That stuff changed on a month to month basis.
What did they not do in the trails?
What's wrong with a newer technology if it's tested?
@TheHeightAdvantage I'm talking about the Biden mandates, those were very late.
Don't think it's risky to release a vaccine in months when the norm is 10 years? Look up any "expert" on your precious media favorites while Trump was still in office.
The hastened, shorter trials on a new technology was 0% worrisome to you?
@TheHeightAdvantage I'm talking about the Biden mandates. Those were very late and D-lady here has been in support since day one.
Go read any article from your favorite lefty media's "experts" about releasing a treatment in months like that when Trump was in office. You won't hear it from me apparently.
You were 0% worrisome about the hastened rls of a new tech on top of a new disease?
@@TheHeightAdvantage I can't even make a reply because of restrictions put in by YT to protect us ;). I'm talking about the Biden mandates. Look up articles during Trumps presidency about the hastiness, from your favorite US propaganda shops (CNN/MSNBC/etc).
This video was amazing. Ran the full gambit from Destiny on an unhinged rant calling everyone retarded to him suddenly being in front of a college class where the professor consistently keeps telling him "that was a perfect answer". lol, unreal. This is high quality entertainment.
I'd love to see a Destiny/Peterson research stream to see and compare where they get their info from and how they interpret the studies and articles. That'd be a great insight to where the anti-vacc folks get their info from....plus it'd be a screaming match which is always fun to watch.
The whole "I have right to be safe so you can't go to church because if you get sick you'll take up hospital seat" argument is super scary. It can pretty much be used to curb every single right people have.
But you also need to consider the opposite extreme.
If we don't take any actions to stop the spreading of highly infectious and deadly disease then we have to justify the deaths of millions of people that could be easily prevented.
We would have to get rid of the concept of quarantine since it would be unethical even if them being exposed to the public will lead to more people dying.
@@RealFreedomMG easy, you can get vaccinated if you want and the people who don't are responsible for themselves.
A million people die from the flu every year and I still don't get flu shots.
@@RealFreedomMG The opposite extreme doesn't have a solid minority of people championing it.
We got lucky this was far less deadly than 1918.
When community resources are tight triage is implemented, priority is given to those who can be helped most easily, elderly often don’t make the cut due to compounding conditions.
My church went to zoom, and our average congregant is OLD we even have a number of ladies in their 90s or 100, they figured out zoom (suprisingly fast!). The elderly population were far less vaccine hesitant (many knew someone who died) they were happy to prioritize safety.
Not to mention we are just now starting to understand the impact of long covid on population. Also we saw labor market hit when Service Workers died in droves.
Another question is do people have the right to put themselves at deadly risk? Did the old guy who took aquarium chemicals and died have a right to do that? Suicide is often illegal.
Destiny thinks you have a right to not get sick 😂😂😂
Yes you do lmao, it's literally a HUGE consideration of the social contract. Don't like it? Buy a boat, live in international waters cause no nation state operates in this bullshit libertarian circle jerk you want
Yeah thats crazy so what they gonna charge everyone whit the cold now 😂
Do you think you have the right to get people sick? Like genuine question lol.
Edit: realizing this isn’t a good question since I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to get someone sick “purposely”. So I guess it should be are you allowed to potentially get someone sick. Like knowing you are risk and potentially could threaten other people’s lives.
I hope all restaurants and food inspection services get defunded in conservative states :).
@@HippieGodzillalol that’s actually a good one.
the best shape to eat is circle, ie potato chip, because you will never incur injury from sharp edges
I ok
Sorry, but STRIP CLUBS were allowed to remain open. What a joke
maybe in Florida. I could see those Miami cheeks wide open
they were opened as resteraunts but they were not allowed to resume their "dancing"
LOL - "I have a right to not get coughed on" HAHAHAHAHA
I mean it is a biohazard. You can go to jail for intentionally infecting someone with HIV, for example
@@vvieites001something tells me having sex with someone and breathing air adjacent to someone are such wildly different acts as to be incomparable
@@williamschlass6371but I'm pretty sure their point is you have to take preventable measures to avoid infecting other people.
Having sex while having HIV isn't illegal by itself but if you stop taking your medication that helps you stop the transmission of the virus without telling the person you are having consensual sex with and they end up getting infected you will likely be taken to court.
You've pointed out a difference but you haven't said why one is okay and the other isn't.
Because you generally consent to sex, but you generally never consent to somebody coughing on you? Makes it seem like we should regulate coughing more.
If I get an STD from my wife, that's between us, but if I caught a disease from a stranger and gave it to grandma...
@@bladddeesa You don't have the right to be safe from people that aren't even touching you... If I can say words that hurt your feelings, surely I can breathe air near you regardless of whether or not im shedding some respiratory virus. Every person has ultimate responsibility for their own safety, not the safety of others.
27:20
2A protests were shut down too.
The problem with destiny's hypothetical at around minute 40 is that the people who told them all that could be under the bowl is what conservatives do not believe. They don't think the people setting the parameters are in good faith they think they are being led to one conclusion of apparently many lol
I know Destiny doesn't know what a confidence interval is. But you can compute a 100% confidence interval lol.
wouldn't every hypothesis be rejected under a 100% CI? I feel like there's a reason we go for 99% or whatever lol.
@@PataponFan
You can still do hypothesis testing with a 100% confidence interval and reject or fail tot reject. The convention is 95%.
You can calulate it, but it's not very useful if you're working with a dataset that would deem necessary to run a regression to make a prediction. For instance you would never use it to make a prediction on a stock price because you would be claiming any outcome besides the one you're predicting is *completely, unequivocally* impossible
computing a 100% would have to measure the entire population. You can compute it, but that's like asking a farmer to check every haybale, by hand, to search for needles so the cows don't choke in the name of animal rights.
@@instakillgaming It's not very useful because you're including too many wrong values. But the last sentence you wrote is incorrect. Values outside the confidence interval are not impossible values. Sorry.
is it just me or is destiny going through a very aggressive, contrarian phase rn like hes so heated over everything its lowkey kinda draining. His ego is getting to him he thinks hes the smartest person in every room and its kinda getting annoying. the attitude, the condescending tone, its a little much. bro needs a vacation or somthin.
Why not showing dgg chat? 😔
Man this one really brought out the all the villagers of stupidville huh?
5:00 Conservatives bring this up because your average left wing person was saying this, not necessarily authorities. This is reflected when you see left wing people talking about contracting the coof as if it was a moral failing.
Who said 100%?
@@jamesmontalbanoWhat percentage did they say?
In California a lot my wife got her masters with these people and we saw this legit everyday on social media
@@jamesmontalbano Your average person isn't very literate on the topic, left and right, and there's a lot reactive logic where left/right supports x so therefore y must be true because left/right supports x.
You see this play out with puberty blockers, your average conservative thinks puberty blockers are taken for life/decades, experts think this is a basic base line fact that this isn't the case and assume everyone else knows. Conservatives are generally bad at interrogating/clarifying implicit language so it goes unaddressed as an underlying misunderstanding.
As with most things the fault is actually shared rather than wholly owned by one side or the other.
@@AnEnemyAnenomei recall hearing 90% - very early in the pandemic, on the alpha version of the vaccine against the alpha version of the virus. Apparently to the average conservative this means “100% forever and ever.” Can’t help stupid.
26:48 Jews are supposed to have 10 men gathered together called a “Minyan”, but it is not obligatory just preferred. And people in Israel congregated in small groups outside of synagogues to pray.
Okay, and?
In some places, though, they were not allowed to amass outside either. That was the level of clamp-down.
@@songofthefierce9647 luckily we're in the future and can use zoom and be 100% fine.
I don't know why every christian/jew/muslim/whatever thinks god has loopholes and that you have to put in the cheat code properly or it doesn't work but intent is very clearly defined as the most important part of the abrahamic religions
It’s always the smartest conversations he has with the most qualified people that end the shortest 😡
Interesting play to only have kick chat visible for this video
This channel always only shows kick chat...?
Lol what??? What are you even going on about?? 😂😂😂
@@dawpps No? This is main channel, it almost always shows dgg chat
Interesting play to comment words on this youtube video
@@horrorqueen3577 Destiny has 3 chats going when he streams: youtube, kick, and dgg.
It is known that the kick/youtube chats are the worst representation of Destiny's community.
I still find it absurd that I have to explain why it’s wrong to force people to do things that their doctor says is high risk. The problem wasn’t the vax it was the fact that they freaked and forced everyone to take it regardless if it was right for you or not. There was a point where it was pretty clear who was high risk and who wasn’t and that it wasn’t deadly for most people. None of that mattered and that’s why the distrust is completely warranted. Why can’t destiny just at least try and understand why people have this view. I think the debate content is toxic. It’s never about a middle ground. It’s always about “I’m right your wrong let me make you feel stupid” if we want the world of politics to be less aggressive we need to find a middle ground. What would’ve made both groups happy. What would have been the appropriate response given what we know now? It makes his content hard to watch with all this negativity. It gets old.
"Some random person at the CDC" destiny says in the context of the head of the CDC 😅
My primary issue with the Covid vaccine isn’t that it’s a new type of vax or that it was rushed. My issue with it was that it was FORCED, my job was threatened if I didn’t take it, they had all of this ridiculous propaganda like the “vax scene” skit on SNL or w/e. It was all so incredibly cringe.
If it was “hey, eat lettuce or you will lose you your job.” I would be skeptical at best and say fuck that.
How bad would COVID have to be for you to be ok with it being forced?
People were dying by the thousands purely because they didn't get vaccinated, how long do we sit back and let that happen while they overwhelm hospitals?
Never, what ever happened to the “my body my choice” argument, if I don’t want the vax i should never be forced to take it. If you want protection, get the vax, it’s been proven time and time again that the vax didn’t prevent infection or transmission, only severity of the infection.
The other issue I had with the forced vax is that a bill was passed that absolved anyone of being liable for side-effects if you take it.
So, say I am forced to take it and I am one of the 1/200,000 that suffered a major side-effect, I can’t sue for the problems it causes me.
JP is a scientist, has published dozens of scientific articles. destiny is not on the same level lol
Since when do you have a "right to not be infected" So whenever I got sick, my civil rights were violated? Am I going to get some kind of reparations?
Depends on the severity of the disease. When it comes to things like HIV, absolutely; if you play sports with someone who has the disease who has not made it known, they are legally liable if they get you infected...
@@matsab7930 Thats still not the right to not get infected, its the right to know that someone else is infected.
@@whatwouldsaido sure buddy, I’m pretty it’s the right not to have someone else knowingly risk infecting you with a potentially deadly virus.
If you got sick because someone intentionally spread the disease to you, then yes that's unironically a civil rights violation and the person who did it to you is a criminal.
In the case of COVID, everyone is told how effective the virus is for spreading, and what measures they need to be taking to reduce the spread and end the pandemic. But instead you want to be a bioterrorist and ignore all that, putting everyone at risk and extending the duration of the pandemic.
@@matsab7930 Where is that right enumerated? lol
2 million is not as much as I expected Destiny to make.
This is a great video showcasing the insanity and blatant ignorance of the average person. You were spot on in your takedowns here and do so in a very efficient and humorous manner. Good job.
But sales tax is not progressive. It is regressive and places a much larger tax burden on those with lower incomes.
Also, wealth tax is def not retarded. Allowing intergenerational wealth to continuously accumulate is a huge hindrance to our social structure.
It’s important to remember that JBP never claimed that vaccines are ineffective or is skeptical of vaccines in general. It’s just that the mRNA vaccines were never fully understood and were still administered to people despite the physiological post-administrative effects and concerns other scientists had.
It would be if one was capable of seeing the covid vaccines objectively but I think we're long past that. You either think they're poison or they're god's gift to mankind, ain't no-one is contextualizing them vs other vaccines in both effectiveness, duration and risk factor. They were shit vaccines with a shit danger profile which is exactly in line with the 3 decades of attempts to make mRNA vaccines.
He should be careful with his words, body language, & tone then. He made me look like a fool on the Canadian equal gender rights bill because that turned out to be a nothingburger, I'm not keen to repeat history when it comes to a type or amount of vaccines which I have zero evidence are hazardous in any way (and in fact there's plenty of evidence that there was a net positive result on saving lives & livelihoods, especially concentrated around the most immunocompromised)
🤦 He's just like Neil Degrasse Tyson: brilliant in his hyper specialized field of science; total dunce at interpreting scientific literature from any other field. Embarrassing, truly.
To be fair the anthrax vaccine was an mrna vaccine that's been given to military deploying to certain regions for years. That being said its an 8 series shot.
MRNA vaccines had been tested for decades prior: 20 years testing in rodents, 10 years testing in humans. It's not like they just discovered mRNA.
Had Ebola ever gotten to the United States, we likely would have used mRNA back then.
This was just the first public implementation of a public mRNA vaccine
Yeah he just said pharmaceutical companies dont produce good products, at all. Forgiveme for thinking that includes the vaccines that he said nothing positive about.
Anytime the federal Government imposes on the right of the People to "peacefully" assemble, or to "Worship freely" its going to qualify that government as Tyranical by default.
The bill of rights are the rights of the People speciffically to be recognized and protected by the Government.
They are not rights that are controlled or granted by the government.
We only recognize people as forfieting their rights when they become dangerously criminal in violating the rights of others.
So you can't ever support the government locking and chaining up doors to churches as moral. Because those worshippers are agreeing to associate freely with each of those members. And they are agreeing to open to the public or to throw out someone who is no longer welcome and causing a disturbance.
Destiny has proven time and again he doesn't understand the concept of affirmative rights. Which is unfortunate because it is pretty unique to America's Bill of Rights, the amendments were not intended to give people rights, but rather to protect rights that were considered inherent.
@@jb31969 it's very hard for people who think Government should have full control to agree that there are certain Rights which can't ever be removed by any Government.
@@AKABattousaiHe quite literally will never engage with this stuff beyond a surface level because of that thinking, true.
Well then that's dumb.
1. Just because you don't commit a crime doesn't mean you can't be a danger to other citizens.
2. Is it that the entire government is now tyrannical because they did 1 tyrannical thing?
@@justifano7046 Who gets to decide what qualifies as "danger to other citizens"? If I go outside with the Flu and I accidentally infect some 95 year old grandma, am I a danger to other citizens? Who gets to decide the threshold?
I recognize this professor’s voice. You must have talked to his class like 3 times over the years. I always love these lectures 👌
i don’t believe i’m misunderstanding you are saying you want better or more social programs but not saying to tax more which is what you need for those programs unless you take funding from something else but ye
He would accept that tradeoff- but he would argue that California is not offering that.
California doesn't tax you to pay for good social programs, it taxes you and then that money disappears. You can argue that's how government always works, but we can point to the Nordic countries who seem to be able to prove social programs can work at least in some places.
Corporate tax and wealth taxes are often sited as ways to fund things that doesn’t tax the normal citizen directly.
@@bladddeesathere definitely needs to be transparency in government spending. A big thing Cali spends on it water, farms, and roads which ppl take for granted how much can be drained by those.
Seems like destiny has as many hate watches as actual fans. Hell of a business.
Destiny is just like never wrong…about anything ever.