YOU'RE SEETHING! Dr Mike Debates Dr K On Eastern Medicine (Ayurveda)
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- Debating The Value Of Eastern Medicine (Ayurveda) | Healthy Gamer Dr. K
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Date: 17 Apr, 2024
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00:00:00 Dr K debates Dr Mike teaser
00:00:23 Destiny predicts Dr K vs Dr Mike debate
00:02:10 Dr K & Dr Mike disagree far more
00:02:35 "What about adoption...?"
00:05:24 Dr Mike debates Dr K
00:07:18 "should have been aborted"
00:08:47 physical vs mental health difference
00:11:49 Patients relationships w/ doctors vs therapists
00:14:05 Dr Mike makes a good point here
00:15:26 "I wonder if Dr Mike will push back on this..."
00:19:30 Destiny wonders if it's really that clear
00:25:41 Federal law on written prescriptions
00:29:54 Okay to give treatments w/o license to practice med?
00:37:41 Dr K hard disagrees w/ Dr Mike
00:44:01 Indian culture and eating w/ hands
00:50:50 Expanding on the scientific method
00:59:53 Destiny finds this interesting cos 4 huge subjects come together
01:05:52 Jordan Peterson's pay gap example
01:13:30 How does random control trials actually work?
01:25:20 There has to be some generalizations
01:32:32 Dr Mike tells Dr K his data is fraught w/ error and bias
01:42:08 Anti-aging water claim...
01:51:43 "You're seething"
#destiny
#politics
#debate
Graham Stephan Confronts Hasan On Socialist Grift! Destiny Gets TRIGGERED...
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Let me guess, Destiny is going to have a basic bish take and say only big pharma is good and everything else is fake.
Not watching.
The point of Peterson's argument is that women aren't being discriminated against based on their gender that is why if you control for those variables the pay gap disappears. No economist worth his salt takes the pay gap seriously because they are aware of that. Sure the choice affects your future earnings but that is true no matter what. Now one could say that traditional gender roles affect what women want to become but that doesn't seem to be true either but the opposite is the case. The countries with the highest ratio of women in STEM are countries that have incredibly strict gender roles like Iran or other 3rd world countries. Turns out if you grow up in a society with great social insecurity you want to maximize what you earn and one way to do that is become for example an engineer. And since women are less specialized in their interests in comparison to men they have an easier time to switch. In countries that where women are very emancipated they choose much more traditional jobs like nurses etc. in general something with people because the choice of the job is not essenital for survival or financial stability.
Ayurveda literally has peopple drinking fucking led and copper... it ACTUALLY has tinctures for that, Dr.K has SOLD that shit. Directly. He responsible for heayv metal poisoning.
TikTok Dr Heart throb who’s goal is to entertain speaks to Harvard graduate who’s furthering study into mind
with the water analogy, i think that destiny is missing the important fact that in mexico it would be 'aqua'
Agua.
Agua
What do they call horses over there?
Hahaha love this 💀
😂😂
"Aren't there patients that fall in love with doctors or surgeons that save their lives."
I know for a fact, Destiny got this from Doctor House.
Previously on LOST
It is called "Nightingale Syndrome". We learned it in med school.
I fell in love with the guy who did my BBL.
@@DonJosesito you must be from miami
@@SacredCASHcow You can't spell Miami without Mami.
Just wanna say, 30 min in, I could be wrong but I think when Dr. K says that mindfulness isn't designed to treat an illness, he means that in the sense that... mindfulness is not something meant specifically to help people with mental illnesses, it's a tool in the toolbox of mental health management and isn't specific for the mentally ill. Yes, teaching mindfulness is exceptionally useful for the mentally ill, but calling it treatment for mental illness is a little like calling alcohol an anesthetic: not wrong, but not what it was made for.
Oooh, i like that analogy!
What something was made for doesn’t really have much to do with it if we’re at the point where we’re using it either an equal, majority or at the very least a significant amount for B thing instead of the A thing it was made for. There’s a ton of drugs that started out as something to treat A and ended up helping or having a prominent effect to such a degree that it was either prescribed as much as or even more for B instead of the A it was designed for. I forget the exact medications and things it treats, but for the sake of the argument, let’s say they made a heart medication and it happened to also cause fat/weight loss, they meant to make a liver pill and it ended up being great for erectile dysfunction, they meant to make a diet pill and it was great for rejuvenating hair follicles, etc etc. Does that suddenly make it not a treatment for the B things just because it was “meant” to be for something else? Even though it’s now being prescribed for B thing as well or even majority or all the time now?
@@ItsMe-cp8xc the reason I compared mindfulness to alcohol is twofold: one is the fact that both can be used for medical purposes, the other is the fact that both are still useful outside of a treatment context. Mindfulness is also a good thing for normies to learn, almost universally, but it can also be a bad thing to use when treating certain mental illnesses, so referring to it as a treatment for the mentally ill when it's just good for most people is a misunderstanding of its use.
Mindfulness is "focusing your awareness on the present moment"
It doesn't *treat* _anything._ It's just a tool for self-examination.
@@ItsMe-cp8xcyoure so obtuse. So you would use alcohol as a sedative when performing an operation on people, eventhough there are better and more suited alternatives that dont havs the side effects and risks of alcohol?
The intro summary is basically just Destiny proving he has achieved GPT-7 level awareness.
He probably used it
Nah the destiny prewatch actually wasn’t that accurate this time. Dr Mike is pretty against the spirituality and non modern medicine stuff and is pretty against it as more than just a broad principle of individual focus. Dr k says a lot of the eastern medicine stuff is good and in fact possibly a better base than western medicine and it just needs to incorporate a little bit of the statistical analysis to be better. Destiny predicted a significantly less different viewpoint between the two, more akin to them both taking Dr mikes viewpoint. Dr k sort of phrases his stuff to not outright say he thinks the basis of eastern medicine is better, but that is what he seems to think and just not want to say, which to be honest is a little scammy/grifty feeling.
It is pretty impressive this is a pretty bad prediction by destiny prewatch standards, and it isn’t THAT far off, it’s really only off in magnitude.
@@bulldozer8950 u are LIAR. IsIam is TRUTH
@@bulldozer8950 dayum you got it exactly. dgg pretty much got scholars on destiny at this point
The point of Peterson's argument is that women aren't being discriminated against based on their gender that is why if you control for those variables the pay gap disappears. No economist worth his salt takes the pay gap seriously because they are aware of that. Sure the choice affects your future earnings but that is true no matter what. Now one could say that traditional gender roles affect what women want to become but that doesn't seem to be true either but the opposite is the case. The countries with the highest ratio of women in STEM are countries that have incredibly strict gender roles like Iran or other 3rd world countries. Turns out if you grow up in a society with great social insecurity you want to maximize what you earn and one way to do that is become for example an engineer. And since women are less specialized in their interests in comparison to men they have an easier time to switch. In countries that where women are very emancipated they choose much more traditional jobs like nurses etc. in general something with people because the choice of the job is not essenital for survival or financial stability.
Bruh does destiny really need to predict what they're gonna say before they say it in every video now
yes, its funny
bozo is smart, it is what it is :D
Why not? It only takes a few minutes out of multi hour videos.
@@nikkan3810I mean he’s already heard others talk about it
I love when he does that
an occupational therapist is not someone who helps you with your job lolll it’s more like physical therapy for motor skills
This
Occupational therapists also do mental health services in some contexts
Sometimes. Occupational Therapists basically work on both physical and cognitive aspects in the carrying out of functional tasks. In physical rehab, this could look like teaching you how to safely get dressed/bathed after suffering an injury. In schools, it could be improving your fine motor skills for handwriting. Basically, if it centers around a functional task required for succeeding in your specific setting in which you’re having trouble (home/self care, school, community settings, etc.), occupational therapy can address it. Interestingly enough, OTs can and do work in settings like work hardening, workplace rehabilitation, and job placement! “Occupation” in the occupational therapy sense basically just means any activity required to succeed in any given setting.
They also help with getting assistive things.
They heavily do mental health service, and are extremely active in areas like Dementia care. @@uhnah7652
As someone with a chronic pain condition i was born with, the point on it being very muddled between medical practice and mental health care is very true
From what i understand,the big unethical part of diagnosing a friend would be them taking your position of authority seriously while youre just really wanting to make your friend comfortable and the risk of trying to make them happy instead of healthy. Its a conflict of interest
Yeah, there will be emotional factors interfering with the doctor from working proffessionally which impacts the treatment negatively
Destiny is a phenomena's name where the phenomena describes someone or something that has a pre-determined future.
Destiny is a black woman's name
Destiny is a video game.
@@uslph.No, that would be Beyonce, you are thinking of Destiny's Child - Nathan Beyonce
You memed yourself into a reality sir.
It's refreshing to see people just honestly answer questions
I think Dr. K's entire point is that Ayurveda medicine wouldn't be better necessarily for everyone right now, but that it has the ability to provide good outcomes for individual people. Western medicine, being focused on populations, does not have the ability to create those outcomes in some situation, except when it is practiced by a clinician, in a non-standard way, which is itself similar to Ayurveda. Dr. K seems to presume that as medicine progresses, we would do better to apply things that work for individuals to them, and different things that work for different people to those different people. I think he definitely agrees that there is merit to starting from broader ideas of disease, illness, and treatment, it's what the Hindus would have done and have been doing, but he values the individual affects more than the societal.
The problem is that there is no true method of providing "good outcomes for individuals". There is only the statistical approach. (Though it should be noted that some modern tests are so good that we can be near 100% certain they are correct - allowing for true individualized treatment.)
This statistical approach is the strength of western medicine, not its weakness. Aryuveda fails at both the population level and the individual level - because it is a set of proto-scientific guesses
but we dont know anything about the results of personal ayurvedic treatments. where are their charts?
@@scrapanimation3813 thats why he said he wants cohort studies
@@fourtyseven47572 ok, but they don't. iam talking about ayurveda as it is now. Dr k has too many hopes that ayurveda will give reasons to its practices. They will not, its pretty obvious how they have ignored everything they have been requested to prove their authenticity. Living in india has shown us that ayurveda doesn't really want to deal with treatment but just cares about money
@@scrapanimation3813 i think the aim is to not to create the charts but solve individual 's issues. They have a different path of approaching a real world problem based on that time's technology and culture. They focused more towards observing individuals because thats what they could do at the time and because they had a vast and flourishing civilization at the time they could pass on that knowledge to their generations through texts and mentorship learning and making correlations for 1000's of years over millions of people thus finding the best practices that gave the best proof of effectiveness they could get at the time which is not that good compared to modern medicine but solved a lot of individualistic response to medicine and problems related to things that make a person unique.
Modern medicine took more of a instrumentation approach which allows us to get better proof of effectiveness but gives up on a lot of individual customization or lacking in matters which defines an individual as different, that is the mind.
1:14:08 you can give someone an "active placebo".
An active placebo is a placebo that produces noticeable side effects that may convince the person being treated that they are receiving a legitimate treatment, rather than an ineffective placebo
didn't realise that, thank you.
Ye I remember in psilocybin studies they gave the control group niacin pills
bro didn’t even watch the whole vid 💀
@@yagnapatel3912true and based
I think the August made a mistake in the cut, a part of the intro is not in the video
@@yagnapatel3912 real knee slapper right dere
@@yagnapatel3912 Damn you're lucky... I've already wasted my entire "mom jokes" credit with youtube's censorship algorithm.
Yeah the bridges cute are horrendous. We should give it to q for his work.@@yagnapatel3912
this might be the best video from destiny that i have watched. The conversation was really interesting, but also Destinys breakdown and refrazing was so on point. Was a joy to watch. Since the convo was so good Destiny wasnt as sporatic and jumping between topics all the time, like he usually is. He was fully engaged with the debate. More of this pls
I am looking forward to this one. I actually commented on a vid destiny was talking to dr k that id love to see dr mike talk to him. Mike one of the few legit doctors on youtube that gives good honest views or advice etc on everything.
Will there be a part 2? This was great
I feel like Destiny is missing the point? Sure, they didn't know what was happening physiologically with diabetes, but based on observations and side effects, they could determine some stuff happening and have treatments to help. It's odd to think that just because they didn't have a microscope and understand germ theory or know the role of insulin, that therefore they couldn't observe the literal side effects of said disease and treat it.
So in medieval times they thoughts smells killed people so I guess they were totally correct too
Dr. Mike had a great response to that. The fact is that with an approach like that you're bound to have one treatment happen to line up with reality and seem correct, but for every valid treatment there are a million ones that have failed and it's really just survivorship bias.
@@roborob4000 This is silly. It's based on observations which is literally what the scientific method is, just less controlled. Ancient peoples would test new things, see results or not, and it became a "standard" for treatment. Some didn't work at all, sure. But to say "millions" failed. Like yeah, just like millions of modern drugs have failed as well
@@ItsThatGuy1989 The issue is that (as Dr. K. said himself) Ayurvedic medicine isn't willing to admit when it is wrong. This is why western medicine is more effective.
@@roborob4000 Yes, I am simply pointing out that it is wrong to say "They don't fully understand the mechanism of why this thing happens, so therefore the medicine doesn't work." Destiny even mentions that. Do you have to truly understand something in order to trust it is effective? I would say no
This has to be one of favorite videos recently. So much knowledge and information
Great convo great commentary
@58:33 I think Destiny is referring to confounding variables. A confounding variable may distort or mask the effects of a variable of interest on the outcome in question.
Pretty sure he meant the independent variable there.
Edit: yeah "the input that will impact if your therapy has an effect."
Whereas a confounding variable is something you can't/haven't controlled for, not an "input" variable.
And it would be under "limitations" in a journal article.
@@notan3144 Its better to use the term explanatory variable.
@@NicholasLacourse-yz6iz For what? Independent variable? Perhaps to the layman but that isn't the case in journal articles nor the research methods modules I have completed at university so far.
@@notan3144 Yes, basically because its more intuitive to laymen what it implies.
Explanatory --- "to explain".
Of course there is variability in synonym usage in journal articles that's because "us" researchers know what all the terms mean. I say this as when Destiny explains it to chat is more likely the case his viewer does not know of these terms than they do. I am not saying its necessarily better from the conversation Dr K and Dr Mike engages in, but even then the majority of their audience are still likely to be laymen. Congrats on completion of your courses though, I am sure parents must be proud you can run a weighted least squares (WLS) estimation with bootstrap standard errors in STATA or R. :D
Yoo, scummy for not waiting on my man Dan to watch this together like he said
thank god he didn't
Maybe they can go over it on the pod
@@valentinbezdan570ya them discussing is entertaining, but Dan is so annoying when he’s reacting to something. It just isn’t the same quality of logical commentary as destiny alone, it’s more just normal dan and destiny banter with something in the background
@@bulldozer8950 exactly
Stormy Daniels? Jk sorry
Doctors can write prescriptions for people who aren’t their patients. I’ve seen it done. It’s usually in a pinch for a medication that is already being taken or for something relatively minor. If your dad is a doctor and you’re having bad seasonal allergies or a cold, it might be the case that he’d write you a prescription for something like prednisone rather than have you wait a few days to get into your normal doctor’s office. Not sure if that would be considered “unethical” but it’s extremely common.
When it comes to giving medical advice, a lot of the times a good catch all is saying something like: "That definitely sounds significant and relevant but I would follow up with your Doctor." Because then you're fostering healthy discussion.
Theres also the idea of "wellness" thats considered in these discussion of the "line." Saying things like "you should drink more water, exercise, stretch, Talk to your doctor about this medication, there are over the counters that may help, wear your mask" These are all things that are generally beneficial in any situation that anybody can say legally. "Make sure you try sleeping earlier, shower." Stuff like that. It's only when it becomes "You have this and such so you need to take this medication." or claiming to "do whatever alternative med will fix your diagnosis" Is when you are crossing a line. Encouraging discussion with their doctor is fine. Even educating someone about how certain treatments and medications work in your body is completely fine. Being a doctor to non patients and telling them what they have to do, other than see/talk to your doctor, is a no no.
The difference between mental health and physical health is that we know how physical health works. We have no idea how mental health works- we don’t even know how SSRIs work and why they act differently in different people.
they arent that seperate. Strong body strong mind
@@dante19890 sure, i mean from a medicinal perspective.
@@EightUp000 From a medicinal perspective there is no difference between physical and mental health. SSRIs are a physical medicine affecting physical health. We don't know how physical health works, there are many things about the physical body we do not understand and there are many medicines we use that we don't know how they work. Its not just medicines for the brain that we don't understand.
I never know when the intro is over🤣
Wow, I had heard they were going to debate, nice. I’m here for it.
Ooh been waiting for this one! Nice
Idk it's pretty obvious the spiritual stuff should be separated from the factual medical stuff imo.
Which Dr K does. He’s just open minded to things that might work. Dr Mike is just absolutely closed off to it.
I think in his view one stems from the other and with things like meditation being a normal part of therapy it kinda makes sense. I do cringe when he brings it up though.
@@Bori.1776 Still feels a little pushy or out of place when he brings it up alongside his medical opinions.
the factual medical stuff is the method. the spiritual stuff is the madness. and sometimes its very difficult to practice the method without the madness.
My takeaway is that he just saying that it needs to be studies for both with the spiritual aspect and without. Because anecdotally he's experienced "bias yet noticeable results." His words not mine
Is the video cut early for some reason or did he never watch the full video?
According to other comments, apparently someone named like a Month did a poor job on the editing, in comparison to someone who is of wolf lineage. I don't understand any of that, I just think there are 2 editors and one fucked it up, which is terrible in this case, as "Lycan" won meaning that's enough argument for furries to keep existing.
Interesting thought provoking convo. It is very hard to quantify the spiritual and it was an interesting point dr K made surrounding the material vs immaterial. Being as spiritual as a hippo, it is hard to really understand the spiritual mind, but just because I don't see it, I cannot simply conclude it doesn't exist. A medical discussion got really philosophical and epistemological. Also D. pointed out we make way harder demands of mental health treatment as opposed to non-mental health treatment even though our understanding of the human mind is much less complete.
And tot doots to dr Mike for holding this challenging conversation working with new concepts on the fly
Yeah I find people's opinion on mental health really interesting
I agree, the positivists and theists really show in the comment section. You can tell me what you think about this but I always thought the fundemental divide between most political discourse in America can be boiled down to atheistic and theistic tendencies. Accepting or rejecting concepts like a transcendental reality, or the miraculous nature of the human consiousness as a product of something immaterial has huge rammifications on how one would view society, moral responsibilty, free will, determinism, so on so forth.
@@bigwheel9468True
@@bigwheel9468exactly! this is what i’ve been thinking for the longest time. Most if not all political opinion and moral values divide on a person’s philosophy and concept of a “soul” or something beyond reality existing or not. Atheist or theist, materialist/physicalist or idealist, hard science or spiritual, thanking God or thanking your doctor when your life is saved, etc.
EDIT: correction, this material and immaterial concept definitely is not for ALL political and moral divides as there are theists who disagree on values with other theists, in that case it still boils down to philosophy and disagreement on the nature of God or the spiritual world.
and Atheists can disagree with other Atheists on the nature of the world, which science is correct, and the nature of humanity, etc.
All in all, a person’s philosophy is pretty much the source to affect every opinion and values they hold. It makes me wish philosophical education was more widely taught in school other than college. Understanding a persons philosophy makes you understand why they feel a certain way about a certain topic.
yes destiny it is clear, because the environment and the process of a whole diagnositc and analysis process is vastly different and more complex than just helping them through a situation they ask you about. its very very different.
Dr K is an incredibly intelligent individual and seems like a very good natured dude but somehow he still has people even here in the comments shitting on him for things he didn't even say. It's incredible how dumb some people are but will be the first ones to argue.
You on a Destiny video talking about Destiny's fans. Of course they are dumb.
Being dumb and being the first to argue usually goes hand in hand, which is why comment sections are usually filled with examples of this.
@@FirsToStrikeIntelligence has zero correlation with disagreeableness or assertiveness. So this is a slanderous lie.
@@MylesKillis thank you for demonstrating my point for me.
reckful killed himself after talking to DR K so we are all kinda suspicious of him. Also what he is doing with his therapy talks is also boderline illegal
The definitely kept it interesting i wanted to watch the talk on dr ks channel
good video!
Over controlling for variables is a problem because the variable we are measuring may interact with another variable we aren't accounting for. If you don't control for environment in IQ studies, you find that IQ is jot very heritable. The issue is that controlling for a variable basically removes the effect of that variable. We control for environment, and find that 50% of the variability in IQ is heritable. We vary the environment, and things change quite a bit. We just don't have as solid number on that as we do for the twin studies of kids that were seperated and stayed in the same region. We do have pretty solid evidence that heritability goes down as IQ score increases. If one twin is a genius, it does not usually mean the other is as well. Which means environmental factors, possibly even neonatally, must've effected those outcomes.
The point of Peterson's argument is that women aren't being discriminated against based on their gender that is why if you control for those variables the pay gap disappears. No economist worth his salt takes the pay gap seriously because they are aware of that. Sure the choice affects your future earnings but that is true no matter what. Now one could say that traditional gender roles affect what women want to become but that doesn't seem to be true either but the opposite is the case. The countries with the highest ratio of women in STEM are countries that have incredibly strict gender roles like Iran or other 3rd world countries. Turns out if you grow up in a society with great social insecurity you want to maximize what you earn and one way to do that is become for example an engineer. And since women are less specialized in their interests in comparison to men they have an easier time to switch. In countries that where women are very emancipated they choose much more traditional jobs like nurses etc. in general something with people because the choice of the job is not essenital for survival or financial stability.
Concerning the IQ question there is still a lot to be discovered. But humans are for sure not a blank slate and your parents do matter. In twins there could be epigenetics at work meaning that certain genes get activated in the womb due to environmental conditions whereas it didn't get in the other twin. It is a highly interesing topic though. There are many channels here on UA-cam though that claim that Peterson is practiacally advocating for a mild form of eugenics because of his comment of IQ. I think Big Joel made a video on that. I'm not a fan of Peterson's politics and he has made some long debunked claims about ADHD but generally his lectures and presentation of psychology is spot on. We still don't know exactly what influences IQ but people below a certain IQ will suffer in the future and have no place in a constantly in complexity increasing world. It is a highly controversial topic no one really addresses because they don't want to be seen as someone who is arguing for eugenics. I doubt however that a mild form of eugenics will be the norm one day given that we soon will be able to change the genetic structure of embryos. It is just a matter of time.
The flynn effect alone points me the in direction that intelligence is a LOOOOOOT more malleable by environment than genetics being a factor. It seems it must be both logically due to physics and comparing species but for humans the variation within seems very very dependent on upbringing.
@@mr-h6x Erm.. the Flynn effect is actually reversing. Nobody doubts that there are environmental factors. Even in the bell curve they admit that. But we seem to have reached the limit now and it is reversing. It is not the proof you think it is.
@@mr-h6x research doesn't support the idea that the flynn effect represents an increase in underlying G, rather than a statistical artifact. moreover, you've gotta explain the strong connection in iqs between identical twins raised in different environments. the estimate of 50% on iq heritability is a real low ball, and a large part of the remaining "environmental" component is likely neonatal.
@@TCSyndicate maybe. Where do you get the idea that the Flynn effect doesn't represent an increase in underlying G and what else would that effect be indication then? If it's not showing an increase in G, it is showing an increase in something right? And what are the implications of that?
As for twins, it sounds like you're not sure how much is environmental, right?
I think if you look both at the Flynn effect and the things people in different regions of the world and at different time periods adapt to, to me it seems to clearly indicate that a very large part of our intelligence is environmentally based. The experiences we have. The community we develop in. If I were to transplant a caveman to modern day, I don't think they'd be able to perform. Vice versa, right? And so to me that points to homo sapiens being highly adaptable to their environment.
The thing he was arguing with the chatter about at the start of the video is answered by Kant in the 1600s or whatever - "Can't predicate a thing's existence".
Kant predicate*
The most interesting conversation by far
The reason JP days when you control for occupation, the wage gap disappears l, is because he's specifically addressing the claim that the wage gap exists in the same job. He speaks often about the income disparity between men and women and the occupations they choose.
The point of Peterson's argument is that women aren't being discriminated against based on their gender that is why if you control for those variables the pay gap disappears. No economist worth his salt takes the pay gap seriously because they are aware of that. Sure the choice affects your future earnings but that is true no matter what. Now one could say that traditional gender roles affect what women want to become but that doesn't seem to be true either but the opposite is the case. The countries with the highest ratio of women in STEM are countries that have incredibly strict gender roles like Iran or other 3rd world countries. Turns out if you grow up in a society with great social insecurity you want to maximize what you earn and one way to do that is become for example an engineer. And since women are less specialized in their interests in comparison to men they have an easier time to switch. In countries that where women are very emancipated they choose much more traditional jobs like nurses etc. in general something with people because the choice of the job is not essenital for survival or financial stability.
Yes we know. That point didn't go over our heads. Destiny's point went over yours. No offense.
@@mr-h6x I understood the point Destiny was making, I don't think that was a great example. That's all
@@EbonyPope I like how you're using Peterson's language in this post. I read your text in his voice haha
Yeah, he isn't making the claim that women and men earn the same amount in aggregate. He is just saying that the difference in pay is due to women selecting lower paying jobs, probably because of having other priorities like free time to spend with kids, etc.
Women making less money because they tend to think engineering is boring more often, or because they think it's fun to work at a daycare, or want to help people so they do social work instead of being a lawyer, or just need to leave work for a while because they want to have kids so they fall behind a bit in experience, is qualitatively different than being discriminated against in the same job because nobody wants to hire them.
It is still an okay example of what he is describing where controlling for the variable makes all of the relevant effects you are studying go away. It's just a weird example because women choosing whatever jobs they want probably isn't a bad thing that needs to be fixed. You can imagine a scenario where both of the things are negative, or one is neutral but causes the negative thing, and then if you control that away its actually bad because you just lost the data you could use to fix the problem. The pay gap example is just weird because it leads you to the conclusion that you have to force women into certain jobs to affect the result which is not really good, vs maybe you'd want to change an environmental variable that was causing cancer, but if you control for it then the problem just doesn't exist and the data is useless.
What is the point of destiny pausing on them mid sentence to guess what their point is gonna be. Either he’s wrong so like thanks for the guess or he’s right and we just hear the same information twice in a row. Why not just wait for them to make the point and then comment on that
When you're in school and your teacher asks a class the question, the purpose of that isn't because they actually don't know the subject and need the students to help them out, it's to stimulate the kids minds into thinking about the subject.
When you are listening to a conversation and you think about where it's going and the various different applications of an idea being presented, you're actively engaging with the conversation.
Dr. K kinda implies that science is lacking a little bit when it comes to understanding individually directed treatment. But this is not entirely true. Science is doing tons of case studies and experiements directed at a singular person with a unique disease, or when testing a new medical procedure. What is required when performing these experiments and testing a hypothesis surrounding a single person, is to have great knowledge about the causal chain of effects when statistical analysis is unavailable. For instance, recently a pig liver was xenotransplated into a human in a groundbreaking experiment. One hypothesis is that the pig liver can act as a regular human liver. The anti-hypothesis would be that "something else" replaced the function of the human liver, and made it look like the pig liver was functioning falsely. Because our great understanding of anatomy and scientific wealth of evidence, we would find the anti-hypothesis to be absurd, as we know that everyone without a functioning liver would die. This knowledge of cause and effect is abscent or lacking in ayurveda, so I don't even see the point of learning from individual treatment from it when it is too "primitive" in understanding molecular, anatomical or neurological causual chain of effects.
''abscent''. Yeah, you're talking rubbish.
He said that's wt a good doctor not that west doctors don't do that but west teaching works as population treatment.
Can we please have a redo of this convo with Destiny in there to clear the muddy areas, I really think that could be interesting
9:19 it’s also an interesting point to make that the idea of good physical health means not seeing the doctor as much where good mental health requires a higher frequency of check ups even if you are healthy if you feel better after leaving each session.
God this goatee and messy hair combo looks absolutely terrible. Destiny clearly pushing his hair forward to make it look like his hair isn't receding at the speed of light.
Bro are you projecting?
@@DerGedankenGartenIt's obvious it's recessing which is fine btw but I agree the messy hair to cover doesn't help
I kinda fuck with the goatee
@@EarlsPearls 0 evidence its recessing. He's had a very high hairline for a decade
@@kylerBD I'm using my eyes. It looks like it's way farther back then even blue hair Steve.
Love Dr. K and that thing called Destiny, one of The best conversations and if not for those two in combination at the right time in my life I wouldn’t have gotten diagnosed and took my 1 point GPA I thought I was Destined to be with and now taking: Modern Physics, Calculus 3, and Organic chemistry.
If you feel yourself failing constantly and incredibly down on yourself especially as a man feeling you have obligations. Go talk to a therapist guys. I am not hyperactive, i don’t move my legs infrequently, neither do I find it hard to listen to people.
And I still have a diagnosis related to ADHD because it comes in many ways and the online ADHD is not a good way for anyone to learn about it.
ye what you have is add then. Dr k has a good guide about it.
Dr k stuff seems boring to me lately. I'm starting to think I have ADHD too but thanks for the motivation. I aspire to take those classes as well. Therapy does help and Dr K has helped too
My dad as a dentist would often prescribe antibiotics for patients and family of patients outside of the office settings, especially when it is over the weekend. This is very common practice in the dental field, and the broader medical field.
Good thoughts at the 1 hour mark destiny yes! I forget the economic point but I will do some research and come back to it. In econometrics they talk about this a lot.
I'm the biggest Dr K fan but I kinda have to hand the debate to Dr Mike. Essentially, the key disagreement boiled down to "do we start with eastern medicine and generalize or start with western medicine and specify".
Dr Mike was arguing the latter, and Dr K seemed to concede when they got concrete. In the example of the Tai Chi studies, Dr K advocated that the spiritual theory be included, which just seems to me like an acknowledgement that even if we do start to appreciate eastern medicine more, we approach it from a western framework, e.g. an RTC on Tai Chi. Dr K even admitted that the only way to study individualized medicine is do an RTC on it😆
Either that or there wasn't even a disagreement in the first place, just different speculations of how effective eastern medicine could be if studied more, but they agreed that it should be researched more and Dr Mike didn't seem opposed to the idea of including spiritual theory in studies. Which was the only concrete example of what implementing Dr K's abstract vision looks like
Also that Dr K seems fine including the stuff before it's fully studied and expanding past the point that was proven to bring other stuff along with it.
good to see someone with brains in the comments. Most others are actual goobers.
(IMO) what you’re describing better encapsulates Mike’s view on Dr K’s position rather than the position itself. Dr K is arguing that western medicine throws out the baby with the bath water (due to biases) and then goes looking for the bath water when they realize it may be important. Crucially, Dr K acknowledges that it may not be important all along but that it’s biased and unscientific to do so in the first place.
The metaphor really only goes so far, but you probably get where I’m going
My nukka! I needed this comment, cause I didnt wanna watch in the first place. I know enough.
@@DionysusDisciple sure, but this was all to abstract to mean anything. What do you mean "appreciate"? I appreciate eastern medicine. Great, now what. Dr K used including spiritual theories in studies as a concrete example. Dr Mike didn't have anything against it
Dr K is essentially a broken clock. He will be right twice a day, you cant prove he was wrong all day because he was right twice and because of that we need to break every clock and find if the broken clock or the once working clocks are truly helpful to an individual.
Im sure you know more than him
@@fourtyseven47572 I know all kinds of things about Middle Earth, _but that's not a real place._
Ayurveda and homeopathy are on the same level as Chiropractic and Scientology.
I would have liked Dr Mike to ask what the benefit or process of Ayurveda being "more personal" meant after maybe the second time that phrase was used
Volume is more important than intensity. One or two reps shy of failure. Lots of sets. Progressive overload. Good technique.
dr mike is not representing "western medicine" ... he practices modern medicine wich is a mix of both eastern and western medicine ... dr k framing it as a "east vs west" thing from the get go is weird when the actual debate was about scientific consensus not about east vs west
I appreciate Dr.K but I can do without the spiritual stuff.
I feel like he doesn't even explain anything about Ayurveda in the video. I watched the entire episode and all I really got from Dr. K was that Ayurveda is based on what works for the individual and it can kinda sort of be generalized to populations (?).
Yeah, I love his work, he is one of the best mental health communicators in the world, master class interviewer, but sometimes I get whiplash when he is talking to someone, everything is data driven, they discuss various theories etc. and then suddenly he brings up totally crazy thing about reincarnation, karma, seeing his past lives etc. And I would be ok if he truly just used that as a metaphor to explain a concept but he actually fully believes in that. Like imagine if he was a Christian monk instead, no way people would be ok with him talking about bible Jesus and God to the people in vulnerable state.
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@@DudokX Dr K utilizing some aspects of ayurveda in a therapeutic setting, is not like a christian using jesus and god in therapy, it's like a christian therapist utilizing some lessons from the bible that can provide a grounding idea and concept to find a purpose or for some other use. Which does happen, and can help people without them believing in god.
Dr K is not trying to convince people that reincarnation is real, or past lives, blah blah blah, he is utilizing some of these concepts as ways to give a person a sense of purpose, or grounding in reality, or some kind of life lesson. Ayurveda, when used in a complimentary way with therapy, is proven to be beneficial, same with meditation.
If you don't like it, if it doesn't work for you, that's ok, meditation doesn't work for everyone, therapy doesn't work for everyone, medication doesn't work for everyone, that's kind of the whole point of ayurveda, the concept of individual focus, not grand scale generalized care.
@@DudokXI'm pretty sure he talks to them beforehand about whether or not they're comfortable about the spiritual stuff, there's no shot he's dumb enough to just spring that on someone otherwise
These are by far my favorite Destiny reactions. Where he's listening to a couple highly qualified people discuss something and he tries to add a decent non-professional perspective.
Oh my god this is going to be crazy; i had no idea this happened
I think on the question of if doctors/therapists can date patients is that even if there CAN be fine relationships, the possibility of abuse is high enough that there must a universal professional rule against it, if you chose to go into this profession to help people, and you do something that precludes you from doing it, arguably that's immoral in itself.
Doctors and therapists do, but when you do, you sever the professional relationship and refer them to another doctor/therapist for their medical or therapy needs.
@@mr-h6xI don’t know if that’s enough. I wonder if the former patient still sees them as a sort of mentor since that how their relation started.
@@alexggistPeople view their partners as mentors all the time, particularly in traditional relationships. There's no relationship without a "power" dynamic in a respective area of expertise.
I'm confused at how it is possible to start with individualised treatment. If the patient has a symptom, and the Ayurveda doctor says, this is the cause of this and how you should treat it, how does the doctor know this? Did he not know this from some generalised principle? Can someone enlighten me?
Someone has headache. Allopathy says medicine x treats headaches because a large quantity of people with headaches were treated by medicine x therefore medicine x will probably treat said person.
Ayurveda says you have a person with a headache. Now there have been many people with headaches, and many ways to treat them, but the goal is to find the best treatment for the specific person based on the person.
@@BiggieChungulus Thank you for your reply. How would Ayurveda find the best treatment for the specific person? I was brought up in the west so the only method I am knowledgeable of is applying a treatment that helped a lot of people to one person and seeing if it works for them. I'm interested to know how it is possible to start from scratch on one person. For example, if the Ayurveda doctor prescribes X to a patient, how does the doctor know that X will work on the patient? I think Ayurveda is fascinating and would love to know more about their methods.
@@infwin5944 I'm no expert myself, but here's how I think it works:
- Western medicine:
Study/Experiment on a population, or a group of people in randomized controlled tests.
-> Conclude that "most people with these symptoms have this disease, and most people with that disease can be treated with these methods".
-> Those methods become the default treatment.
- Ayurvedic medicine:
Experiment on one individual at a time.
-> Try again and again until they arrive at a treatment that works.
-> Conclude that "this method works for a person with these specific symptoms, lifestyle and traits".
-> Over time (thousands of years), through exchanging information and experiences, the list of effective treatments is both refined and expanded.
-> Doctors try to match their patient with a treatment from the list that best matches them, and if that doesn't work, they try another.
Starting with the individual is super slow when it comes to arriving at solid (enough) conclusions, but it takes into account more variables - ones that you can't possibly "standardize" in a group of test subjects (can't find 100 copies of extremely similar people for 1 test).
adding more variables will always make your model more accurate by defenition. Check out R squared vs Adjusted R squared. And yes, there can always be missing explanatory variables from a model.
depends on what you mean by "accurate". more variables will provide more explanatory value on a sample, but not necessarily more predictive. adjusted r squared was invented because of this. you don't always want more variables, because the point is to make the model perform well out of sample.
@@tabeh- yes well said. I shouldn't have said more accurate - should have said that it will reduce error for that particular sample. Basically the more variables you have, the more you can overfit. Lol
"If you go to the hospital, they just want to send you out not dying." Uh, yeah, that is the purpose of a hospital. They can't just house everyone who is overweight or whatever else. You're supposed to go to a doctor's office to get treated for all issues. And they want you thriving, just like with mental health, at least if you're at a good establishment.
1:05:55 Idk if Destiny is just really anti Jordan peterson but he should know that this is just a very common strawman of his argument. He doesn't argue that it doesn't exist in principal, he argues that it doesn't exist necessarily due to authoritarian hierachies discriminating against woman which is what alot of feminists were arguing back in the 2010s, that the occupation gap was evidence of these societal structures surpressesing a womans right to choose. What the data has shown is that as countries enforce equality of opportunity the gap between occupation increases in the genders. This is very strong evidence that certain hierarchical orientations will express themselves naturally as a product of gendered choice. This is probably restricted to the sociological level because in day to day social interactions we don't actually judge people or make decisions off that hierarchy aside from notable exceptions such as a celebrity or important political figure.
I guess if I was a feminist the next argument I would go with would be why are certain jobs seen is more valuable than others. Why do we pay elevator installers more than we would pay a teacher or a nurse. Why do we pay football players more than social workers. But generally, I agree with your original analysis. I just think it’s important to look at why we value certain jobs higher than others.
@@jordanwhite8718 Capitalism
@@CptVein That’s kind of a non-answer. You can’t just say capitalism and then leave it there. That’s like me asking you a question about an algebra equation and you just saying it’s algebra man and then leaving the room.
@@jordanwhite8718he meant supply and demand
@@jordanwhite8718 Not really. It's more like asking an enginneering question about why a building/bridge keeps falling down and saying 'bad ground'. You don't need to be an engineers to understand that. Obviously, that's only surface level, and one could go deeper, but the fact of the matter is, the ground, aka the base, aka the system, aka capitalism is the root of the problem. As long as we don't move from that spot, we can build and rebuild as many times as we want, the buildings will always eventually end up crumbling.
God seeing to knowledgeable, good faith, and skilled interlocutors is a breath of fresh air
57:44 Dr Mike keeps claiming that RCTs are the best for the "general population". But even that is not true per se. In many cases you'll find that RCT study results capture a different (often healthier) population. Treatment effects don't necessarily translate well to the real world data & the outpatient clinic. That is why observational studies/ case studies are needed besides RCTs.
finally some dr k content
There is a place for both, but “western” medicine or in other words the more data science driven should be prioritized. While traditional and holistic care can help with more mental situations, the placebo effect is powerful after all.
I believe Dr. K is correct about individual medicine being superior but unfortunately, it is not scalable and thus fails. The only way to achieve perfect individual care on a mass scale is through AI
Honestly the debate is retarded and the eastern medicine/ homeopathy/ ayervada side has no leg to stand on. Saying alternative medicine from these areas should be explored is reasonable. But the thing is that western medicine already does that and once the treatment has been explored, then it simply becomes a part of western medicine.
This is akin to saying you need nazism in order to have the VW beetle. The thing is we can take the things we learned from the mass production of the VW while dropping everything else about nazism. Same is true here. We can explore the things that work in these alternative medicine spaces without our brain falling out. We can acknowledge stuff like meditation working without adopting stupid shit like wind and earth doshas.
And idk why anyone with some degree of intelligence (which includes destiny) is even entertaining this as if it's otherwise.
@@josephpa05 Na. Dr. K is exaggerating and strawmanning when he does this. Western medicine doesn't disagree with this. It's that whenever you meet a patient, you don't know them inside and out. So you start with patterns that apply to them and then narrow it down. The generalized practices give you a rough estimate to then adjust from.
This isn't even different from what Dr. K describes with ayervada though he frames it as if it's something ayervada can do that western medicine can't. But pay attention because Dr. K mentions stuff like wind and earth doshas. What is that if not a generalized pattern that ayervada is using on the individual. It's not like that idea was invented with each new patient. It is itself a generalized practice that then gets applied to the individual.
People need to question the premises and not just the conclusion. The premise is bullshit to begin with.
@@mr-h6x yeah Dr. K is definitely exaggerating but with that being said I do believe that personalized care would be the best method. It is very difficult to get a precise diagnosis in Western medicine one major reason is because doctors have way to many patients to take care of. I don't know how your experience has been but I have never talked to a doctor more then 30 minutes. That doesn't seem right to me. But yeah AI would be the best solution. If you can take a blood test and with that information it will tell you what you are deficient in it will also take a look at your genetics to determine what diet would be best for you and any other health conditions you may be acceptable to. This would be most ideal
The place for eastern medicine is in the trash
Gotta love the Opening "seething" clip and title of the video never happens in the video 😅
1:00:00 in statistics bias is simply whatever separates an individual or trial metric from the population metric. So bias is the quantitative difference in measurement from confounding variables. Confounding variables change outcomes and allow us to better understand the whole system that affects the spread of quantitative results, but without an understanding of the population, we don’t have the context to meaningful separate and define the confounding variables.
53:46 Idk if this is _completely_ true... it may be so for things like adjusting CSS (b/c it's low risk) or reverse engineering (b/c we're starting from 0 knowledge) or machine learning (b/c the astronomical scale of the details)
but most of the backend code that I write, I also understand quite well
"This is how well they understood microbiology" - Come on, Dr.K. They understood correlation... they didn't understand microbiology any more than a child would. They didn't even have microscopes. Dr.K is being very "rose-tinted glasses" about ancient India...
I'm surprised Dr. Mike never brought up the fact that these people were just treating symptoms. They didn't have the notion of what the disease was too.
@@michaelwoller6450he literally did in the original video. In fact this comment was literally said by dr.mike in the original video as well
@@michaelwoller6450they did bring up that fact
@@Taytexas well that’s good to hear
An extremely high level conversation between two far above average individuals. Very refreshing
41:57 HbA1c is a long term measurement of your average bloodsugar levels over a period (months). It is not a measurement of your bloodsugar levels at one point in time. It used to be the most important tool for diabetics to asses how well you are doing in your diabetis therapy. Now we use TIR (Time in Range) since it gives you a percentsage value in of how long you were in the optimal bloodsugar level range instead of just telling you an average. The problem with the average is, that you can have lots of too high and too low levels and they just average out to a good average level and the physician can't asses your therapy properly
On your off-times, you should watch the comedian, Greg Warren: The Salesman, where he talks about how he had stomach problems & all of the approved physicians on his insurance couldn’t help him, but then he tries a ”holistic doctor” and she solved the issue. It’s a good example of when broad generalizations of western medicine leaves the individual to fall through its cracks and is somehow “okay” with that.
Destiny is a guys name
Bold
no fear
Eww eww eww eww eww eew
Liked for name
Its Mr. Vermicelli to you
The spiritual stuff should be separate but not ignored
True. Like how we separate special ed.
@@heymelon eh . Kinda lol 😆 except without the saltiness. It's the things that will keep you Sane right before you die . It's the delusion needed to think you can do anything. Spirituality got hi jacked by the special Ed tho. I agree
@@heymelonwe have the neural correlates for attention and concentration. guess who the special ed guys are 😅
@@backwardthoughts1022 im confused
I reject the premise that the spiritual stuff is ignored to begin with.
The problem with D's take on category error is that science doesn't claim to be the best way to discover and make hypotheses. But it is the best way to test them. That's why taking the good 85% from some traditional practice, testing and (if it passes) incorporating it is perfectly valid. It doesn't mean the practice is now redefined to be the shit 15% that remains. The shit was always and still is the acceptance of what wasn't well validated. Dr. Mike is spot on.
interesting to watch this after watching the video myself before
I didnt realize women lose their hair to. i guess its equality
Less common and not as aggressive as in men but it definitely happens in more women than people think, especially after menopause.
Women losing their hair like men is incredibly rare. The most that generally happens is density loss and it becomes brittle but men obviously permanently lose huge amounts of hair. For women its almost always after menopause
Destiny must be on his post menopause arc
Lmao no shot
😂😂
The cause-and-effect vs deeper understanding is interesting to explore. How do we know our current highest levels of science won't just be considered crude cause-and-effect logic in 500 years? Does that mean we can't draw any conclusions or know anything right now?
We know because the current way of viewing it is superior to all past ways, thats literally it, we use it because it works. Find something that works better and that will be the new thing
It's nice to see a debate between two educated people talking about a subject within or adjacent to their fields while also not kinda hating each other.
Very interesting
Destiny NEEDS to be coached in linguistic misunderstanding and dialogic theory.
Both doctors were talking about medicine too broadly, and fell into the definition trap (evoked etymologically and morphologically, which then lead to un/sub/adconscious opinion).
Eastern medicine is also underrepresented in western literature, to my sincerest disappointment. It reminds of that day. That national tragedy.
Nine eleven.
could you explain some of these terms you put in. what do you mean by something being evoked etymologically and morphologiaclly, and what is an example of htis. im curious
As a non spiritual guy, I can say it's might be necessary to discuss because when you set aside what you think you know about existence you might need it at some point.
You sound like a spiritual guy to me
@@jacksonelmore6227 I just don't like to be close minded. I'm not a woo woo guy but 100% denouncing aspects of it feels like im creating a blind spot
@@jacksonelmore6227 mostly when it comes to having inner peace. When the facts depress you sometimes you need delusion to keep you Sane.
@@BillyDHughesDrums if you’re somewhat aware of your delusions you’re on a spiritual path
Logic itself is even a delusion
@@jacksonelmore6227 bro wtf is a “spirit” 😂 yall better not be atheists
Something that is effective for the individual CANNOT be ineffective for the population. If it's not effective at the population level, it's not effective at the individual level.
I don't think Destiny would take Dr K half as seriously if he weren't a charismatic, cute, cuddly guy.
I wouldn't mind a Dr K cuddle 🤗
I'm pretty sure it's as much to do with his achievements.
Or maybe he wouldn`t take Dr.K half as seriously if Dr. K wasn`t a widely accomplished, person with a great portfolio and a very rich experience in his field. As well as the fact that Dr.K doesn`t talk down to others and actually respects the other party he is interacting with.
Destiny really loves the little tricks dr k uses
@@miedz12 Oh here we go...
i have the same hair as destiny what type of haircut should i get
The part about biased treatment is very true. You know how people with acne try million different things before they find the one thing that cures their skin issues? It's basically very similar to that. You obviously don't want too much trial with stuff that might cause harm but sometimes very unexpected things cures a person. So many aspects play into that. It reminds me a lot about Jordan Peterson and his daughters experience with eating the lion diet. That's not something you would recommend everyone obviously but clearly it worked for them. And I think their is value in information like that! Human body is super complicated and as long as we don't understand every aspect of it 100%, we need to keep studying and be open minded about what works for whom.
Because Dr. K is a psychologist, he's been trained in how to manipulate another person into lowering their guard to become accepting of ideas they may disagree with. He uses it in the conversation when he says "I actually agree with you here and..." then fills in disagreement. It's a way to validate another person and then provide an alternative view. If you're not trained in it and you're on the receiving end, you can have a visceral reaction because people have an internal barometer for when they're being approached not entirely honestly. But if you can recognize it, you can check that reaction, and keep the convo going more productively.
"is it microbiology or is it cause and effect?" It's not even cause and effect. Cause and effect would mean there was an understanding of the relationship between eating with your poop hand and getting sick. There wasn't this understanding. It was done for other reasons, like cultural customs or smell.
yea its more like the extension of "dont eat where you sh*t"
How do you know that? My guess would be the cultural customs come from them trying to avoid getting sick
@@fourtyseven47572 people back then knew if you throw something in the air it will fall down. Does that mean they understand the theory of gravity?
@@Preetvnd Even if I were to say no they didnt understand gravity, thats not my point. OP specifically said they didnt do it to avoid getting sick, they did it for "cultural reasons", im saying the cultural reasons revolve around them realising eating shit makes you sick. So they understood cause and effect
@@fourtyseven47572 it's hard for us in the current day to imagine that people before germ theory had no concept that a hand that recently touched shit and hadn't been washed should not be used to eat, but that was the case everywhere in the world. So, trying to think about this is gonna violate a bunch of intuitions you have, but you should be VERY skeptical of anyone trying to tell you that India's left/right separation between eating and cleaning is anything but a post-hoc interpretation of their scripture that fits nicely with germ theory. Dr. K is an apologist in this regard. It is more likely that this tradition originated from spiritual and symbolic separation between right and left and the application of that line of thinking to everyday life. There were most likely many applications of this that have no logical connection to modern day scientific knowledge, and apologists have just picked this one of many to talk about because it happens to fit. You also have to deal with the extremely confounding variable that shit smells like shit and may have been avoided on this basis alone. I'm obviously not a scholar on ancient India or Hinduism, so you can write me off, but this is another talking point that is often rolled out in apologetics when the apologist is doing post-hoc interpretations.
Wait was no one gonna bring up that the underlying thing is just the literal mind state and not the movement themselves? Like people who are religious and spiritual, from my understanding, have specific responses to mentally to engaging in the their religious practice, like it does boil down to physical in that its the production or excretion of certain hormones for brain chemicals, a change in brain blood flow, the various waves/electical activity stuff in the brain.
Instead saying 'maybe some who believes in qi will stretch better' saying 'maybe someone who believes in qi will have a brain chemical reaction when they stretch that inherently gives better outcomes' like this would be pretty obviously something that makes likelihood of keeping up the routine exercise more likely alone
The number of things you can control for depends on your sample size, when two variables seem to have the same impact they are considered collinear and one should be removed from the model. The determination usually comes from domain knowledge
Thank you!
Maybe people didn't want to eat with their poopo hand cause they didn't want their food to smell like poopo. How this somehow suggest understanding the existence of bacteria is beyond me😅
People ate near disgusting smelling things alot in the past some still do lol I don't think it has to do with the smell and at least definitely not the smell alone. People are gross
@@Ventryx bro I didnt mean every person or even most lol
im a bit late but, they washed their hands after shitting, so it wouldn't smell. But they understood that there would still be bacteria so they ate with the other hand, cuz normally u wld be like, alr the shit got washed off lemme use both hands right? But they didnt
Is it me or does Dr Mike sound exactly Hunter Avalon??
PART 2??
one detail that destiny got wrong is that part of the scientific method is confirming whether your test actually truly tests for your hypothesis.
the standard you reach for is "in this test, this will be the outcome *only* if this is true" and you need to rigorously show that.
I love when people act like the "scientific method" is some uber specific religious law that scientists/engineers/doctors/etc. perform to the t as if it was a holy ritual... for anyone that has worked in scientific/medical research... ain't nobody even thinking about "but what about the scientific method", lololol... hate to say it, but its true. Maybe one day it'll change, but it's much more chaotic and unorganized than your 6th grade general science midterm test would have you believe.
@@user-xp5id1kh4r probably because when you learn it, you just kinda automatically apply it.
part of writing a study is basically just the scientific method in and of itself
@@EmeraldEmsiron The problem is that the "scientific method" is more treated as a concept rather than a process in real life... but english writers/historians had to physically/ verbally/ grammatically WRITE out WHAT the "Scientific Method" actually was, so they had to force/ask the scientists "what" the "actual" process was... and thus, they wrote up a series of steps in a stout, straightforward, rigid, almost religiously-inspired way/vigor. Or maybe the modern scientific grant funding/writing/research process has just basterdizdwhat was once a commonplace mainstay of the scientific/ engineering/ medical/ research community, that has just been lost due to the modern uber competitive grant writing/ making/ application process that has tunnel-visioned modern researchers. But who knows, lol.
35:00 As someone who is interested in Religious studies/ancient history/anthropology...putting things into their historical/cultural context is extremely important. Our conception of specific categories for example might mean something completely different from others historically or culturally. It's called Prototype theory
This is why I don't agree with Jordan Peterson or Jungian ideas regarding Archetypes, etc.
But that's exactly why archetypes exist. The thinking that there must be objective prototypes. because if you have an object that fits within different categories at different time or contexts, it means there is an objective line which determines whether it fits in a given context or not. That line might give it the flexibility to occupy multiple contexts, but there is still a finite number of categories that it can fill and whatever constant there is which governs THAT is what would make it archetypal. Like a whale could plausibly belong to mammals or fish, but not say, fungi. Things can't just be endlessly relative, as it doesn't make sense.
@@johnsmith-pm1qe I agree that archetypes and categories can be useful. But we need to acknowledge that they are also infinitely nuanced. So to pinpoint a "constant" within those different categories that make up the archetype is a reductionist take. It's called perennialsim. You miss the nuance and complexity when we point out one similarity over the infinite differences these categories have.
But there are obviously degrees. Like the fact we understand each other through language is a good use of categories.
But Jordan Peterson and Jung don't understand the over context of those ideas. So to jump and say they all have some underlying meaning is sooooo wrong
Edit: I agree with the whale analogy though. That's why I said these archetypes can be useful. And I like how you said not everything can be endlessly relative. I'm just speaking more broadly because we are talking about thousands of years of culture and also possibly not putting things into their original context/misinterpreting information.
The fact that ancient people didn't like the smell of shit on the hand they ate with in no way means that they understood about germs. That is an absurd belief by DrK. That's seriously reading way too much into ancient customs
What if they realised eating shit makes you sick?
@@fourtyseven47572 What if they didnt eat the shit because it smells and tastes like shit?
@1:43:33 Powerful moment here; therapy mode-activated. Excellent analysis, Destiny; keep it up.
@31:35 Pretty true for tree industry as well. If I know about trees, am a tree service, and provide a "diagnosis with a timeline" in writing, and something else happens, I am liable.
If im just some dude that read a lot online, and gave my neighbor an opinion with a timeline, I wouldnt be liable.
This is probably the most frustrated ive ever been at Destiny. Dr. K is habitually begging the question with his assertions, and for statistical confidence we need the scientific method. He's supplanting his treatment knowledge with poorly specified woo
Dr Mike is goated
Dr. Mike is a Big Pharma stooge who antagonizes all independent doctors