LIVE! Real Lawyer Reacts: Read Trial Day 18 Part 2: Was Karen Read Driving Drunk?
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They aren’t trying to convict her of drinking and driving. They are trying to convict her of motor vehicle manslaughter while driving under the influence and leaving the scene of an accident causing injury and death.
So far they have proven that everyone was drinking and driving and it was snowing. They haven’t shown me that Karen was the party responsible for John’s death.
And she could get a life sentence!
The drinking and driving is part of it though, being under the influence of alcohol. But I agree there hasn't been any evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she is responsible for John's death.
@@DOLsenior at this point it could have been anyone who went into the albert house because they were all drinking and driving
I guess we need more info from the ME.
Yes
Everyone was driving drunk and actually any one of them could have hit that man! 👀
Omg! Exactly what I thought!
Now that is a coherent argument that nobody involved in this case seems to make
So True, Right
Dont think he was hit with injuries above his neck only
Don't think he was hit, with injuries above his neck only
Reasonable doubt is SCREAMING in this case. She walks. Mark my words.
She should walk. Even if she actually did hit him. If someone can be convicted by the evidence presented in this sh*t show of a trial everyone should be very scared.
Unless the prosecution has something up their sleeve then she should walk, no time in jail. If the jury finds her guilty for any of the charges then it lends to my belief that juries go into trials (realizing it or not) biased to thinking the defendant is guilty because "there must be enough evidence for the police to think this person did it and the state to bring charges"
I've seen some trials where there was no way the defendant should have been convicted and they were. I'm worried for her because I don't believe she did it (again, unless the prosecution has some serious evidence they have up their sleeve) and I'm worried she's going to get manslaughter or a lesser charge just because the jury doesn't want to give the prosecution nothing.
Kinda obvious at this point. Surprised it's not thrown out.
@@JohnR-it1dj what I’m surprised about is that people are arguing that the state actually has a case against her. That’s absolutely terrifying to me.
I don’t know if she did it or not. But what I know for sure is that the commonwealth hasn’t convinced me of anything other than it was snowing.
@@JohnR-it1djI’m
Surprised it was even brought before the court against Karen.
This judge was so jerky to that poor doctor. He’s clearly a softspoken man, a gentle personality; speaking at that level doesn’t come naturally to everyone. How about you upgrade your audio and AC in that 300 year old courtroom?
Can't, a renovation might mean moving the jury box and then all the jurors might see the witnesses
I felt so bad for him, because anyone could tell he was just a soft spoken person.
I'll bet this lab guy spends his free time helping wounded butterflys, and pulling up stepped on grass.
Exactly. Update your courtroom!
👏🏻 the judge was rude to a nice man that was really trying his best to speak up.
I don't care if Karen was drunk driving as I have heard absolutely NO evidence that she was involved in any accident, let alone hitting and killing John O'Keefe.
Right?! It's day 18 and they provided no testimony of an accident other than shards of potential Auto Glass found days after the incident not even tied to the vehicle forensically. I mean I'm sure more is coming it's just a bizarre approach in the sequence of witnesses and in the meantime they tanked their own case with reasonable doubt before they even presented any kind of complete narrative of what they're saying the crime is.
Do you not see the facts....or maybe your a little bit bias
@@user-yx2gx2fk7fyou are a bot! 🤖 be gone!
Sounds like many guests that night were drunk driving too
@@user-yx2gx2fk7fEnlighten us, please
Sounds as if the whole police department was drinking and driving.
The dude from the lab was the MOST credible and straightforward witness!! 🙏🏼 THAT WAS REFRESHING!!!!
Agreed especially in this case where everyone seems to avoid answering simple questions or add there own narrative
@@Lorgy2so true! Even the ER doc was weirdly combative with the defense
Agreed! He just answered the questions without being evasive. I thought all of the witnesses after him were straight-shooters as well. Let’s hope it becomes a trend in this trial 😉
@@CrimeAndTides 🤞🏽
@@brendapawThe ER doctor was dodgy and seemed incompetent.
Seems like a lot of people were driving while intoxicated.
Can you imagine if a major event occurred their area? Cops are partying, drinking, fighting…. What kind of response would they be able to provide to their citizens?
the BAC seems to be glossed over❗️as if we all accept a common denominator that people have a common baseline of alcohol 🥃
Undercover agents risk their lives every day for us. Anxiety off the charts.They never know when it will be their last day
@caroljacques4243 Absolutely NOT in this case!!! They ALL, were pissed out of their heads, Who knows what happened, however there are so, so many inconsistencies in this case and so many rehomed homes, phones and dogs, just doesn't make sense to me,.
Agreed.... hopefully the jury has already taken note of this
The blood alcohol guy is the FIRST witness i completely trust and he totally discounted his own testimony 😂😂
MOST HONEST WITNESSES OF THIS CASE SO FAR!! REFRESHING!! Praise the Lord!!
I thought so as well! Other than the “My cousin Vinny” paramedic…I feel like it’s been a sea of people who have been up to some shady type behavior. The BAC guy at least was honest about the fact that his test could be discounted if the samples weren’t good. Appreciated that.
His honesty was the worst possible thing for the prosecution. Not only was he 100% willing to agree that all of his work would be worthless if the information he was given was wrong, he also demonstrated what an honest witness looks like. Dude buried the Alberts & McCabes without even knowing it
He just simply answered the questions honestly, that's the whole point of court. He was a prime example of how a witness testimony should be.
Interesting at one time he had been a teacher, so he explained clearly and logically.
Karen probably had the lowest BAC out of everyone. Can you imagine what the Alberts, McCabes & Brian Higgins were sitting at when they were driving all over town?
As one who drinks, I can tell you, they are like everyone else who drinks. They like it. Its a lifestyle, a whole family lifestyle. I think there are many cop families who partake in the drink quite often.
I bet she drank non stop after she hit him... all night long.
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How they all weren’t charged with DUI’s is beyond me. They were all drunk. And all self admitted driving! Any one of them could have hit John. But I don’t think John was killed by a vehicle as his injuries are not consistent with a MVA.
They’re not on trial for murder
My dad in the ER was at a .49 and he was able to still hold a conversation, was walking, and relatively coherent. He was a closet alcoholic that we knew was bad but had no idea just HOW bad. That was the day I realized just how bad his alcoholism was. We lost him less than 6 months later. Still breaks my heart we didn’t realize how bad it was soon enough.
Of course they were All driving drunk, including the ATF agent who went over to the police station at 1:24am to “move his work vehicles around” while so blitzed he can’t remember shite.
The real question is who wasn't drinking drunk out of that group lol
Exactly what I came here to say 😂
Can't we just admit it? Cops like to drink.
Do people really think this guy was hit by a car?? He was beat up and thrown out into the cold, didn’t wake up and froze to death. His injuries are t consistent with being hit by a car
I agree. The cruelty is amazing. They're all inside where its warm, and they throw the guy out in the cold and just leave him there. And then they dare continue to bring up the harassment in order to get sympathy from the jury? Despicable.
💯💯💯💯
🤣 Peter sustaining the objection he called on himself for being argumentative 😂
Hysterical!!!
Absolutely love Peter!!!
The only thing i know for sure in this trial is that John is dead and it was snowing.
Those are the only established facts so far.
And that the police force is comprised of a bunch of drunks.
😅exactly!
And that John was found outside.
On the lawn by the fire hydrant!
All these police officers drink at a few bars and then go home and drink. Who’s to say Karen didn’t go home and drink????? Her alcohol level at 9 am is not indicative of anything!!!!!
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Exactly!
Exactly, especially when all the other testimony seems to indicate she didn’t drink much that night while out
The whole town sounds like they need a 12 step program.
@@MKUltra42 The police force definitely does. I'm wondering if Lally has ever joined them
Her turning the fans off was passive aggressive in my opinion. The jurors are already hot.
Maybe that was part of the conspiracy lol its so ludicrous it may as well be
The feed mic (what we hear on the stream) is much louder than the in court sound. Journalists have said it was indeed really hard to hear this witness.
@Brink.9 careful they will say that the journos are in on the conspiracy lol
Exactly and why make the poor guy feel awful it's not his fault turn the mic up or something. She has asked lally to speak up repeatedly aswell
@@Lorgy2 you guys are seriously deranged. Seeing plots and conspiracies everywhere
Everyone was drunk even the cops they all drove home drunk,😡
Everyone who was there that night was driving drunk.
This judge just gets so nasty and snippy. To point that its so rude
Yeah I really don't like her. Why are we rushing a trial that's trying to find out what happened to a man who lost his life and a woman's life is on the line. This is SERIOUS business and she's worried about rushing people. I also dont like how, even with everything shes heard so far, she's biased to the prosecution.
I think she is going through menopause.
And her voice ...annoying
The judge allowed the lawyers to defend Karen on a Third Party Culprit. Basically blame everyone else but Karen Read. Ask Peter for the case law.God help and save America. Remember our country would be a combat zone without law enforcement.Brian Albert is one of Boston Finest He has an unblemish record i😊
@@LaLaLonna rushing? we're taking so many damn days off!!! It's supposed to be done in 6 weeks and we're almost there. She'll start actually rushing when the defense begins to present their case, I'm sure.
The problem with finding the range of BAC you have to know the last drink time. How do we NOT know KR didnt drink after going home? This BAC extrapolation would be an issue for me
Exactly. That’s why people run away from their cars when drinking and getting into an accident or hitting something. They can run Into a corner store- grab a beer; and go back saying they were panicked and have bad anxiety and needed to get a drink to calm down. They then can’t prove what alcohol was consumed when- so how this can be logical, I’ll never understand.
Yep. Same reason Chris Albert ran after hitting and killing somebody at 3:00 a.m. Turned himself in, with his lawyer 30 hours later. Can't prove a thing.
How has a case using this method NOT made it to US SCOTUS? Also, Lally is just so unserious - no intellectual curiosity.
@@GPDogDrool Chris' lawyer for that DUI was/is Judge Canonne's brother. 😬🫣
@@sandrasomewhere Yes I'm aware. Yet there's no possible way these people are all connected...ok!🙄
You can hear the doctor fine - aunt Bev is rude AF. How about get proper equipment and normal air conditioners that keep the cramped room cool?!! And Biased Bev needs to remember her medication every morning. Geesh.
Worst Judge I have every seen for so many reasons. How she treated that witness was totally uncalled for.
It’s a government building. The ceiling fans, the exact one, is in a lot of government buildings Ha Ha Ha.
We can hear the streaming just fine, but I heard an interview with someone attending court in person, and she said she couldn't hear him at all with the fans running.
The only one I had trouble hearing is Lally.
@cherylj7460 that idiot mumbles!
Is there proof she was drinking right up to Midnight at the bar? No one has testified to this not even a bar tender. No one even bought her a drink. No one knew what clear liquid was in her glass? Could be water or soda. Who knows. I can totally understand her blacking out in the am. I lost my boyfriend and found him dead in the middle of the road from car crash. I was in so much shock i cant remember much at all. I don't remember anything for weeks after ward. I was acting crazy and said so many crazy things. I get this big time...
I'm sorry for your loss, but I think your experience is what everyone (including the people she was with looking for him) is missing. When you're in a situation like that, you don't act rationally. The things you say don't mean anything. The fact all they have is that Karen was concerned she may have hit him is starting to get under my skin.
To me her behavior is perfectly normal
The biggest bomb part of part 2 was when Lally handed the dvd disc of footage to the IT witness and IT witness said he never saw the disc and didn't make the disc hahha, i hope the jury caught that
Why ...he sent the video via email but they must put it on an cd for court
Tech guy just sent the video file, after that, what happened? Why two minutes removed when Karen drove through? Why nobody asked him to preserve the original video file?
I thought so too it just showed so sloppy of work by the district attorney,
But apparently everyone else in the law field doesn't think so
@@user-yx2gx2fk7fit was made into a CD for evidence. He was right to point out it was not his.
That was hilarious. In a not-so-Perry-Mason moment, Lally shows the guy a DVD that he had never seen before and proceeds to ask him about it. . .and then plays said DVD. . .and said DVD has no footage of Karen's SUV, establishing the fact that the library camera is able to capture footage of an intersection, which would be relevant but for the fact that a key part of the footage is mysteriously missing. Crushing it, Lally. Crushing it.
The lab guy didn´t do any testing. He used the test result data from the hospital to "calculate" the blood alcohol. Some people would call it guessing.
He wasn’t recorded in the chain of evidence
You wanna hang a person on a “guess” of what their blood alcohol level was at a certain time? As a juror, I wouldn’t put too much weight on this.
What if when she went home she continued to drink??????
She probably did ….all the other party goers kept on drinking
The man in the polo who talked about the metabolism of ETOH was stellar. Credible, pleasant demeanor, made eye contact with the jury, and stuck to the technicalities and the facts. 🤘
The IT guy was so smug. How are people so ok with at the least deceit when someone's life is on the line? That town is overrun with dirty, unscrupulous people - it's unbelievable.
I also thought the it guy was smug and had a disgusting weird smirk on his face the whole time and made me feel like he also was not honest
P
He wasn't defensive like the others. Even the ER doctor seemed defensive during cross.
I don’t disagree but I think we have to (somewhat) put personalities aside. Some people are more confident speaking publicly. I can tell you if I was on that stand, even being 100% innocent, I would be an absolute mess. Red-faced, sweating, fumbling words & id mostly likely forget how to spell my last name lol
Even if she was drinking from the glass that ended up in the snow at 12:45, we haven’t heard any evidence that she was drinking alcohol.
We did at the beginning of the trial by one of the bar staff, lime & vodka
The judges’ demands for him to speak up just makes him more nervous and affects the perception of credibility. I’ve never seen a trial where the judge is so involved asking questions and interjecting .
Completely agree and I’d say 80% of doctors and surgeons I’ve worked with are incredibly socially awkward.
It's says a lot about how messed up this case is when we're thrilled to bits to hear a witness ( not the one from the hospital but the other lab guy) who is willing to answer questions clearly and without attitude.
It was so refreshing!
That should be the standard but in this case, it's not!
@@kirsty916 Exactly. It's crazy to have so many witness who are uncooperative and defensive.
Do you remember the bartender testified that a tall glass is used for non alcoholic beverages and short glasses used for alcohol. The Albert’s testimony is that she took a tall glass with a clear liquid
You must surely remember that she hide a glass from the one bar to the other under her jacket...who knows what she was drinking to be still legally drunk at 9 the next morning 🙄
@user-yx2gx2fk7f yes the drunk drunk woman, sipping one tall absinthe between two bars to satiate her insane drinking habits!
I live on Cape cod. Where Brian Higgins lives is not near an entrance to the base. He's actually in my neighborhood. I used to do Jen's sister in laws hair. They were selling their narrative out here days after John was killed.
The excessive drinking of the witnesses casts doubt on the reliability of their recollections.
Well none of the witnesses remembered much once in redirect. Everyone said they were lying. Crossexamnesia was the joke. Now that trial is focused on alcohol, their testimony is not believed because they drank excessively.
Period
My wife works in drug testing and collection. She is listening in on the calculations and she is flipping out. She has yet to have a court accept this calculation, she has to come in and testify with breath alcohol because it is the only way the court accepts calculations. Blood testing is thrown out. She is beside herself. She also helps with NDASA, National Drug and Alcohol Screening Association. She says even this good witness is giving bad facts. She says basically blowing out his butt. She is ONLY agreeing with you, Peter. She loved how you broke this down. Said great way to say it!
They all drove drunk
But Karen was the only one who were last seen with John an behind her SUV wheel and drunk...
@@user-yx2gx2fk7fexactly, and screaming "did I hit him" to emergency services lol.
@@user-yx2gx2fk7fthat still doesn’t make her the killer. I’m not saying she didn’t hit him but they haven’t proven she did.
He could just as easily been hit by Brian Higgens. He was also driving drunk. Driving a Jeep with a snowplow attached. Did they check the snowplow for John’s DNA? No they did not.
Higgens text to Read showed he was still interested in her.
I’ve been shown just as much evidence that he killed John as I have been shown that Karen killed John. Which is absolutely zero evidence.
With what they’ve presented so far I could make a case against Higgens just as easily as I can against Read.
And I still have other viable suspects.
I agree, but none of them are on trial so it's pretty pointless to state at this point.
How about when she asked the doctor who first examined John at the hospital about his injuries and did he have any from the neck down. He said he didn’t know, so she had to go bone by bone til he finally agreed there was no injuries on that part of his body. It was hysterical! Just say, as per my report there were no injuries below the neck with the exception of scratch marks on the arm.
This was masterful and made him look like a hostile witness imo
And bruised and/ or fractured knuckles from an obvious fight.
She did Head, shoulders, knees and toes (ankles)…knees & toes. Song
His report doesn’t say because, he didn’t order test for those assessments. He isn’t denying this injury or admitting this injury. He is saying he didn’t test for it which is common in healthcare. That is not the place to fully exam a deceased person, They look for enough to stabilize the patient. CPR was continued until the stopping point the it is called. Even though everyone there knew he was dead long before he arrived at the ER.
@@Anna-ww4pvyeah, after my car accident they just treated my broken ankle and my concussion wasn't discovered until like a month later because of memory issues. The ER just fixes the big obvious problem.
Poor blood lab guy was probably even more nervous after the AC incident. Public speaking makes so many people nervous especially knowing this will be viewed by countless people Nationwide
Worldwide
Most people in that house that night drove drunk so bringing up Karen’s potential level to me is irrelevant.
Ditto
In fact it makes me question even more the reliability of their statements which already are sus.
Especially when the testimony says she was the most sober person there lol
No one else has hair on their bumper.
@@Anna-ww4pv where did you get this information, Fox News?
One of my biggest questions related to the BAC issue is whether the calculations factored in how her medical conditions and medications may have impacted alcohol metabolism. There are some medical conditions (besides those mentioned) that can falsely elevate BAC and some meds can slow alcohol clearance. Do you expect defense will have their own expert on this issue?
I was wondering if Karen having MS could affect alcohol metabolism and yes, I was thinking about all the different things that could affect different peoples metabolism. They didn’t get into that at all.
I was wondering the same thing- especially about the possible affect of meds. I’m guessing they didn’t get into that because there were SO many factors that could skew the HUGE RANGE of numbers they got. 😊
She also has Crohn’s disease which is most always treated with serious meds
I would assume DC has their own expert who will testify to the way her health would change this data
This poor guy is like you ask him what time it is and he tells you how to build a watch.
😂
😂😂😂😂😊
A journalist who has been in the courtroom, said that the microphones do not project any sound in the courtroom - they are only used for the camera and streaming. However that’s not his fault and she doesn’t have to always be so rude.
You know, I have followed quite a few trials in the past few years. I have never been so lost than I am with Lally's line of questioning. He asks the questions, but he doesn't care to help connect the dots for us "non-law" folks. He should be in administration and not in the courtroom, sorry...
This judge needs to get an attitude adjustment. She was rude.
From the public library footage, it shows the time to be at 12am. You can still see the grass on the ground, and the CW is saying that around 30 minutes later John was already dead on the ground. Even when the sped the time on the footage to 5am, there isn't that much snow on the ground or even on the cars.
Multiple people testified that they couldn't see him bc he was covered with snow, after leaving the Albert's home. I hope the jury noticed that.
No one said they did not see John O'Keefe because he was covered in snow. That is false.
Peter don't let any weird comments get under your skin. You are 100% logic.
Peter is smart & HOTTTT 🥵
Twitter is wild, you keep me open minded and even keeled with your breakdowns!
Peter you are the most unbiased person who does what you do. Twitter is a snake pit - NEVER take the twittersphere personally because as you said “it will get jumped on by both sides”, and taken completely out of context, twisted and turned against you. You are smart and HOT! Even the snake pit on Twitter knows that 😘
There was this bizarre smirk on the last witnesses face - what was up with that. Was he happy that the footage was not preserved? So weird. The attitudes from some of the witnesses on this case have been really strange. I mean, someone's life is at stake, and a person died, can't they take finding the truth seriously?
Agree ! Good words
These are just peoples characters. They have a certain demeanor and can’t change it. They may not even be aware of it.
Imagine if everyone that drove to the house had their alcohol tested 😮
I used to work in a detox center as a counselor. I have seen 0.4 to 0.42 for people brought in for detox. These people typically had a very high tolerance though and were not as “smashed” as you might think. One girl in her late 20’s looked almost normal. You could tell she had been drinking but you probably would have never guessed a 0.4 bac. She filled out the paperwork on her own and was able to answer questions. It’s pretty crazy all the different variables that affect BAC and functioning. These people required significant medical detox to avoid seizures and death. Of course I have seen people come in with liver damage and they have a 0.3 bac after a few drinks because their liver can’t discharge the alcohol at the rate of a normal liver. A reverse tolerance.
My ex was this way. He was a 2 fifth a day drinker. He walked normally and for the most part, appeared to people who didn't know him, as sober. Bac when a couple DUIs were .42 and .34.
Im 5'...my sec dui was a .24...15 years sober since!!! Based on everybody's testimony that they did not notice she was falling down drunk I am certain that number is wrong. I still have panic attacks to this day of what I could have done driving at that time
Congratulations on 15 years!! That’s an awesome accomplishment!
Congratulations! And HOW was she not puking?!?
Well done! 👏👏👏 You should be proud of yourself because I know SO many people who couldn't do this. It's nice to hear a success story... and of someone taking it seriously.
@DOLsenior thank you! It's not easy but so worth it! I did two years of sobriety court after that completely changed my life. I appreciate how much it makes me understand others struggles the most. The world can be a judgmental place so that comment means a lot!
@@Caketime2 sending positive energy your way for the remainder of your life. I've never heard of sobriety court. Evidently it made a positive impact on you. But honestly it takes a strong person to do what you've done and I applaud you for your success.
I keep thinking about Brian Higgins driving the Jeep with the snow plow that night. He’s was driving drunk, too. He had the motive. He wanted a relationship with Karen and John was in the way, IMO
That's what I was saying on one of the previous videos. Higgins is leaving right around the time KR dropped JO off. What if Higgins saw her drop him off as he was coming outside to leave and hung back so he could say something to JO?
If you need an alibi, leavinga party and going home, alone, to go to bed (what BH said he wanted to do) is a TERRIBLE alibi but going into your work where people will see you is a much better alibi if you're trying to scramble one together last minute.
I also think the blades from the snow plow could have caused the scratches/abrasions on his arm.
Reasonable theory but not with the injuries. But not out of the realm possibly in another manner? And not only go to work at 1:27 a.m. but also spend most of the following day at CPD when it was his day off? 🤔
@@pennymoon8113have we seen a picture of his jeep with the snow plow? I wonder if he got rid of his jeep and or the plow.
@lorgy2 I don’t think there has been a photo of the jeep, only where it was parked at the Alberts.
The library video demonstrates how little snow was after/during the mega-blizzard, you can see the bushes sides with a little snow on the top.
If she was still so drunk that morning why didn’t they arrest her???
This is what kills me. She's apparently drunk, screaming confessions and nobody thinks they should arrest her?
I really love the community here. It’s so refreshing to find a space on the internet where people can respectfully disagree and discuss things.
Would love a stream with your dad on the Higgins stuff - a lot of people think he inevitably sealed the deal to get fired...I am unsure. Great summaries Peter🎉
I second this request! 🙋🏼♀️
Me three! Great idea!
Fall guy
My thought on the BAC evidence: if there is a time when day drinking is acceptable, it's after you find your boyfriend dead on his coworker's lawn. I don't even drink, and I would find that entirely understandable.
My first time watching your channel, I was told by a personal friend of yours about it. Unless we know the actual time of arrest, the time the warrant was obtained and the time the blood was drawn, it should all be inadmissible ! With that said, in my 25+ yrs in police work as both a police officer and a detective, I can unequivocally state that the injuries Police Officer John OKeefe sustained were not from being struck by any vehicle, he was assaulted !
Right!?!
I don’t even know why it’s even arguable!?!?
WTH
He was not “hit by a car!”
Thankyou for restoring my faith in intelligent and professional police work.
With the years of experience you have I'd have expected nothing less.
Its in stark contrast to the group of police personnel that have been interviewed and who are prosecuting and involved in this case😢?
As a nurse for 48 years a lot of doctors are so intelligent that they have a hard time relating to lay people. They are not able to dumb it down but we need them to be intelligent when they are caring for us!
This, plus pathologists became pathologists because they don’t want to deal with people! 😂
I agree. It’s a fact that many gifted people have brains that are extremely good at complicated and complex things but not so good at simple processing such as communication.
Very well put…it makes total sense !
one of the biggest issues is that because they don't relate, they tend not to listen and instead discredit and invalidate real experiences and symptoms from patients. Intelligence goes out the window when you don't take into account the words of the patient because you don't have all the variables. Then you have doctors who refuse to test completely because they don't want to "waste time" or think they already know it all. It's rather un-intelligent...
The problem with doctors who are too intelligent to communicate is that they tend to lack common sense. Intelligence is great for researchers, but doctors who are supposed to heal need common sense and high levels of understanding. Without that, people die due to simple communication errors.
@LYK Peter!!!! You are truly the best! You’re succinct, intelligent and such a good teacher! Love this channel!!!!! ❤❤❤❤
Higgins also testified to the GRAND JURY he was asleep at 2:20am but now after terrifying we know he was at the canton PD!!! Him and Brian Albert said they were asleep!
I'm pretty sure nobody who was at Brian and Nicole Albert's house slept that night.
Yeah and he ORIGINALLY said he was umm hiding the sausage so to speak... bumping the uglies...ya know what I'm saying...with his wife. No one can get their story straight... because they are all lying.
Brian Albert ORIGINALLY said he was hiding his sausage so to speak... with his wife and that's how the buttdial happened 🤷♀️🤦🏻♀️ they are all liars which is why they can't get their stories straight!
With all that drinking I wonder how the remember anything
Bingo! I hope the jurors are paying attention as much as we are.
The only people who weren’t drunk driving appears to be the kids ….. shocking!!!!
The crazyness of all this. ALL the police officers were DUI!!!! Insane.
The hypocricy!
It's a shame that in the day of modern technology they can't just manually increase the volume on the mics
Bahaha that would be too logical! 😂
They probably can. They just don’t know how, or maybe they are all connected. But it is likely doable.
Brian had to go out of his way to go throw out the trash. He actually lives closer to the Barnstable dump.
The time of her last drink is giving HER the benefit of the doubt. It doesn’t need to be a “good argument”, it’s a great argument.
The problem with finding the range of BAC you have to know the last drink time. How do we NOT know KR didnt drink after going home? This BAC extrapolation would be an issue for me. Also if an alcohol swab was used that also can make alcohol content invalid
Thinking same thing…
You don’t know that they didn’t know. They took her in. I’m sure she gave them a time.
I felt really bad for the doctor. Judge Bev was nasty to him & he’s trying so hard to do what she asked. He was obviously a bit shy and Bev was so annoyed by him. Annoyed at him & not Jen McCabe?!?! Whatever …
Yeah, and she had a nice, warm smile for the next guy👀
@@julieanneedwards6290 Yep. So unprofessional. Compare her to the judge in the Daybell trial…it’s like an amateur vs a pro
All the prosecution witnesses have been great for the defense .
The amount of alcohol in this trial, including a minor...wow.
Thank you Peter for keeping us updated on this trial. 💗 My issue with the BAC calculations is the fact that Karen Read’s blood wasn’t initially drawn for that test, it was drawn for a CBC, basic blood work, etc. so there is a chance that alcohol swabs were used which could have further skewed the results when they later tested her blood serum for BAC. We also don’t know if she had a drink after she got home that night and other factors. She also has MS, Crohn’s, etc. so I am sure that would impact her as well.
Yea, there's way too much. They said lactic acid could skew the results. Oh like what could have been built up in her system from frantically trying to give John CPR? And if those things also show in the bloodwork, why are those specific levels not in evidence to show the results were not skewed? With what we have been given, it kinda requires ignoring the bloodwork extrapolations entirely.
Not to mention any meds she may take for MS, Crohn's, etc.
The person who drew the blood did not testify either.
Alcohol swabs do not enter the blood stream to skew the bac levels lol. Firstly, pure alcohol would not be metabolised and therfore couldn't be viable, secondly, how does alcohol rub from a swab not only evaporates upon skin contact, so how on earth would enough liquid rubbihg alcohol enter the syringe to be mistaken for blood alcohol content? This is wishful thinking if ever I heard it lol
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@truthhurts2879
The ‘expert’ seems to think it would alter the results. Me: ????
If KR was that drunk how could she back up 60 feet at 24 mph and accurately enough to hit JO missing mailbox , flagpole and electrical box ?
Plus if you’re that drunk would you have intent ?
and without popping over the curb! there were no tire tracks in the grass! she had to stop on a dime in order to do that - it's physically not possible.
I was watching with Andrea Burkhart and she said it was absolute junk as far as the testimony yesterday about bac
I cringed when I was LISTENING to the judge scold the doctor for not speaking loud enough. It wasn’t until I WATCHED her here, SEE her actually roll her eyes, especially throw a little tantrum during her scolding…So rude. So unprofessional. Not a good look!
Juvenile
@@tjl4522perfect word!
Is there anyone involved in this case who DIDN'T drink and drive?
Alcohol is metabolized in several pathways, one of which is CYP450. The CYP450 is impacted by medications you take, and genetic factors can make you a slow or fast metabolizer. Crazy!
I will also add that people can request a swab test that breaks down how you personally metabolize the majority of neurological drugs.
@@browndog319that would be interesting for the defence to explore I believe KR has MS and possibly another condition so is likely to be on medication
I’m sure the defense expert will explain
💯 this factor was driving me bananas listening to those experts! It’s already been established that KR has MS & other medical conditions. The impacts medications & medical conditions have on ETOH clearance should be more than reasonable doubt!
@@PsychJustice the man in the company shirt was very smart and could simplify complex concepts very well. He also didn’t backtrack on things when asked. But he confirmed what the tests showed, as well as where there were still limitations (as any good scientist would).
Yes! The tech was right on! He just spoke his truth straight!! Easy huh? Easy to understand when not dancin
EXACTLY ! By far the MIST credible witness!! So refreshing!!
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This morning I was half listening to another crime podcast about another case. I woke all the way up when they talked about pig DNA on the victim’s body. They straight up said it was from the doggie treats the victim’s dog had consumed. The pig DNA in this case could be a sure enough smoking gun.
The defense attorney asked about a pigs ear when the crime scene tech was on the stand talking bout the canine dna testing and the prosecution objected and the judge sustained the objection but the thought was put in the juries mind at least.
@@davidsandlin9686I remembered hearing it but didn’t realize the Judge sustained an objection. Why am I not surprised?😏
😮😮😮‼️ great info 😮😮😮‼️
It really bothers me that she sustained that objection actually. I wonder if this has come up in other cases and what the exact citation is for the case you were listening to, seems like that could be grounds for appeal added to the list with the other weird decisions this judge has made.
@@lumireuthere's ALOT this judge has done that bothers me. It's like she's trying to get KR convicted.
Every single one of those SNAKES that are trying to blame her for this were DRINKING!!!!!
Yes, but they don’t have hair open their bumper.
If I was a juror I would throw out the tests. Too much of a difference between 2.9 and 1.3. Why weren’t all these drunks be charged for DUIs. The defense is making more connections to conspiracy than the prosecution. In my opinion.
The actual question should be who WASN'T drunk driving that night??
They can't prove 100% if Karen Read was drunk. Bottom line.
Yup. This "evidence' can be totally ignored.
Everyone that she associated with that night drove drunk, rode in a car with a drunk driver, went into work drunk, it's just THAT crowd.
But she really only has 2 at 2st bar. The bull he didn't get to finish. They screwed thrmselves!! I believe she was the driver, pacing her self.
@Lawyer You Know I appreciate your commentary about my testimony 👍🏾
I'm enough of a nerd that I get excited when we get to the scientific and forensic testimony, so I was happy to see a professional take the stand. You did a nice job presenting your evidence, and answering the defense honestly. 👍🏻👍🏻
Blood alcohol level tests can be affected by some medications. I haven’t had any alcohol since 2016, but the combination of pain meds & chemotherapy I am on could show some funky blood alcohol, lol. Isn’t Karen an MS patient on certain meds?
Even the people that were at the bar and testified for the prosecution said Karen didn’t seem intoxicated. Wasn’t stumbling or slurring her words.
Lol…said all the drinkers.
Wow just saw the defense lawyers showing text messages from Julie Albert to proctor (the lead investigator) saying when this is all over I want ro buy you a thank you gift!! And the young kid who said he never got into fights except with his brothers actually had at least 3 videos of him fighting in school bathroom and hallway and on a driveway! These people flat out lie under oath!!!!
I agree 💯. Brian Albert testified that he drank beer from 3pm until he drove home @ approximately 1am. That's 10 hours of alcohol consumption. Karen's blood alcohol indicates that she continued to consume alcohol after John was injured & found deceased. FYI if a hospital lab gets an abnormally "high" result for a blood test. They repeat the test to verify that the results are accurate. What happened to designated drivers, calling for a ride, taxi &/or Uber rides? RIP John O'Keefe 🙏💖⚖️
They’re all cops, in a corrupt city- they all think they’re untouchable- I mean shit they got this far- and could have gotten away with framing Karen for murder!! They would have too if she didn’t get these awesome lawyer.
@@TheAverageSavage1021Idk about all the local facts & implications of corruption. This case has certainly gotten alot of attention prior to the trial beginning. As a former emergency nurse. I want to see John's autopsy results. RIP John O'Keefe.🙏⚖️
@@orianjuarez3074I don’t know about corruption. But they are certainly incompetent and far too close to the situation for them to be objective.
@@butterbeanqueen8148 Got it. When I heard that Brian & Nicole Albert's home was never searched, photographed or any evidence gathered. I was in disbelief. Allegedly neither John or Karen entered the Albert's home. To say the least, it was an inadequate investigation of an unattended dea*h. RIP John O'Keefe.⚖️💔
I haven't ever had a DUI, but I know II have been completely intoxicated. It is to where I don't even remember how I've gotten home. There have been times that I remember having to close one eye because I couldn't see straight. And now i'm not proud of it It was very stupid. It was when I was in my late teens. Early 20s. I don't drink anymore, but yeah. I'm just glad nothing horrible happened to anyone else and myself.
I just wonder if she appeared not to be drunk to all that were at the bar, how drunk were the rest of them?
That lens was broken by Karen backing out of the garage of okeefs house and hit John's car while it was parked in his driveway.
Thanks for guiding us through all this. I still have reasonable doubt, in fact more so as this case progresses.
I'm still in reasonable doubt land.
It would be a good way to win the case for the state though. So you turn the AC off when the defense is cross-examining. Then turn it on when the state is testifying. And if you do this enough times, its like Pavlov. So the jury will attribute good feelings with the prosecution, and bad feelings with the defense. Judge, c'mon, we know what you're trying to do. We're on to you.
There is so many weird and strange coincidences all in favor of the state that it’s almost impossible to believe. I feel like all the strange coincidences are masking me lean more towards a coverup.
I hope the defense has an expert for this. I’m an engineer. I’ve done a lot of research. Just the simple fact that there is SUCH a wide range is telling in itself. If you’re not quite sure when a person enters the elimination phase, that is a major PROBLEM with using this method of extrapolation. I’ll leave it there.
After everyone else admitting to driving drunk, I wouldn't convict her on that. It's the only thing they've even semi-proven at this point and I still wouldn't care
If her blood test was taken several hours after she drank alcohol, and she returned .081 to .083, then one hour earlier, she would have tested at greater than .09, and two hours earlier at .1 BAC or greater. The body metabolizes alcohol at a fairly constant rate, and testing hours after being in custody clearly shows she was intoxicated at the time of arrest. Frankly, she was absolutely hammered.
You don't increase BAC hours after your last intake. Your BAC will react in under an hour to the addition of alcohol to your system, and after the alcohol intake is ceased, your BAC will decrease as your liver and organs metabolize the alcohol.
Notice how they don’t calculate minimum level with maximum elimination rate to show the actual possible lower limit.
They were all driving drunk.
I think that's one of the reasons they were shady about this "investigation".....still no Proktor the "lead investigator"...