A FRIGHTENING MAVIC CARBON WHEEL FAIL (at speed)

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    A Specialized Tarmac with Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon UST wheels travels down a famous descent in the New York area, Bear Mountain. A combination of heat and impact causes both carbon wheels to break, with the front wheel shattering into pieces. The Specialzied Tarmac goes down and so does the rider. We're calling him 'John' for the purposes of this piece. Thankfully he not only survives but he walks away! This video today is a reminder to us all about the dangers of carbon rims and even more so, carbon rims with rim brakes. Raoul Luescher gives us a great overview of what most likely happened and the ways we can mitigate accidents like this happening.
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  • @CamNicholls
    @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +203

    Hi All, I should have pointed out in the video that I did email Mavic on Monday this week - with pictures from the incident - requesting feedback from them so I could provide a 360-degree perspective here. Unfortunately, I didn't hear back from them. Cheers, Cam

    • @jimbojunior8236
      @jimbojunior8236 4 роки тому +6

      Not sure what their current trading status is -
      road.cc/content/news/mavic-receivership-how-did-it-come-273345

    • @vladfromfrance
      @vladfromfrance 4 роки тому +15

      Mavic is currently fighting for financial survival, they were in trouble before and the covid crisis was a bit of a nail in the coffin for them. They might actually close down for good. They seem like a huge company because of their visibility with the Tour, the amount of wheels they sell but they only are a couple of hundred people (big for the bike industry but small outside of it). In this context, it might be difficult for them to have time to answer your email etc.

    • @dudeonbike800
      @dudeonbike800 4 роки тому +3

      Mavic's approach to making a small fortune in the bike industry:
      Start with a large fortune!
      (I know this joke is as old as the hills, but still worth a post!)
      I will be very sad to see Mavic go if they go belly up. Millions of nice wheels ridden billions of miles. Then again, perhaps a restructuring could right the ship.

    • @timabbott6197
      @timabbott6197 4 роки тому +9

      I recently had some issues with some Crossmax Elite alloy wheels (on separate occasions - first the rear, then the front). In the first instance, I made initial use of the warranty contact form, and when the only thing I got back was "we're really busy and will get back to you when we can," I went old school and picked up the phone and called them. Had a new warranty replacement wheel within a couple days. For the front wheel, it was technically out of warranty when I was trying to replace a bearing that it turned out had bonded to the hub body because some epoxy seeped out during construction, and again, after calling them directly, they replaced it quickly even though they didn't have to. My advice when it comes to Mavic is just don't bother with electronic communication. In my experience if you pick up the phone, and get a person on the other end, and they are absolutely excellent to deal with. Not only did I get both wheels replaced under warranty, but both replacements were upgrades.

    • @sbaxter4207
      @sbaxter4207 3 роки тому +1

      you'll be lucky to get a refund you will have to pay return postage They are a bunch of c...s, with poor quality control.

  • @pramishregmi5321
    @pramishregmi5321 4 роки тому +104

    I had an accident few years ago and it haunted me for at least a week. I was so afraid to ride bike even in my usual route. I hope that buddy won't suffer from anything like that. Wish for speed recovery buddy.

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +14

      I can appreciate that situation for sure. Get the same way after being hit by a car. Thanks for sharing Pramish

    • @pramishregmi5321
      @pramishregmi5321 4 роки тому +4

      @@CamNicholls you're welcome 🤗🤗

    • @marioalban1495
      @marioalban1495 4 роки тому

      🙏

    • @jayjones6840
      @jayjones6840 4 роки тому +1

      @@pramishregmi5321 that's normal it's happened to me a few times the last one I was off my bike for a year and I'm a daily rider to give u an idea how spooked I was

  • @usernameunknkown
    @usernameunknkown 4 роки тому +32

    Everyone that knows carbon wheels, knew exactly what happened the moment he said he was in a decent. Then, to add he's 100kg... Man that's a recipe for disaster.

  • @sommervillephotography462
    @sommervillephotography462 4 роки тому +341

    the hero in this story is the helmet! so many people not wearing them nowadays.

    •  4 роки тому +4

      After many crashes and a head-on two years ago I always wear mine now.
      I raced motorcycles and know how to fall & roll, but the head-on was an eye-opener for sure.
      Good thing he had others there to help. I mostly ride alone...

    • @panzerveps
      @panzerveps 4 роки тому +8

      I've crashed a few times at relatively low speeds (cyclocross and cross country) where the helmet came in handy, but thankfully never on the road.
      I never go on a bike ride without a helmet.
      My father claims he don't need a helmet because he's only riding on the side walk (legal in my country) and at low speeds, but guess who went OTB and landed on his head when he applied way too much force on the brakes?

    • @philippvolkemer3846
      @philippvolkemer3846 4 роки тому +11

      Just yesterday a friend of mine crash while our afternoon ride. Luckily his helmet broke not his head! It was at about 30km/h, when the car pulled in front of him! Always wear helmets guys!

    • @marioalban1495
      @marioalban1495 4 роки тому +1

      Absolutely!!!!!!

    • @TeamCykelhold
      @TeamCykelhold 4 роки тому +3

      People in my area get shamed if they ride MTB without helmets. I have only ever seen teenage kids without helmets in the last 2 years. For some reason they think they are invincible.

  • @chemistry9942
    @chemistry9942 4 роки тому

    Congats on 2 years Cam , been watching this channel fr about a year and a half now ( got your channel, GPLama Chirs pritch and lanterne rouge blocked at school for watching it in class ) and just want to thank you on the brilliant ideas and training insights you offer

  • @lancenunn362
    @lancenunn362 4 роки тому +27

    Well done on 2 years Cam .keep going mate.

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +2

      Cheers Lance, hope you're well mate and the recovery is coming along. Cam

  • @tonystrange7224
    @tonystrange7224 4 роки тому

    Congrats on the 2 years Cam, really enjoyed the content since I found you. Here's to the next 2 years and beyond. And thanks for the Magic heads up, I had no idea they were in receivership. Stay safe

  • @eilrach299
    @eilrach299 4 роки тому

    Great to hear John was OK. Congrats on two years. Love your content. Looking forward to more. Cheers!!

  • @saleemwaheed9956
    @saleemwaheed9956 4 роки тому +5

    Cam your a legend Bro! Keep it up! I have nightmares about my carbon fork failing during a descent. I never knew about wheel failure! Thanks Cam for the info.

  • @kna7lula
    @kna7lula 4 роки тому +7

    Great video, Cam. Raul is brilliant as ever, cheers

  • @philiphookham8135
    @philiphookham8135 4 роки тому

    Great video Cam, thanks for pulling it together so professionally. Certainly gives me food for thought regarding my carbon wheels. Congratulations on two years. Nice channel.

  • @elliot8190
    @elliot8190 4 роки тому

    i've been watching your videos for quite some time now, youre doing some great stuff. your down to earth, sincere and i always leave feeling a bit better and like i've learnt a thing or two. keep up the great work mate

  • @richardhutchings1980
    @richardhutchings1980 4 роки тому +16

    Great video. A real eye opener. This is the No 1 reason why I never bothered with all carbon wheels on a rim brake bike. Disc brake bikes - much less issue of this sort of failure.

  • @alfienade6738
    @alfienade6738 4 роки тому +11

    im just going to add this to my list of 'reasons to avoid carbon, and to stick to alloy'

  • @MaskedOG
    @MaskedOG 4 роки тому

    Glad he is feeling well again!!!
    Congratulations on two years
    Had a chain rip on me when i was standing up sprinting. Went to my Bikeshop and they told me that that should never happen installed a new one and it riped too in the same situation.
    Now i am afraid to push my hardest but Working my way back to trust bikes again.

  • @w4yland3r27
    @w4yland3r27 4 роки тому +2

    I really appreciate your calm, concise, and clear presentation style. Subscribed!

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому

      Thank you mate, and thanks for supporting the channel

  • @TheSufferfest
    @TheSufferfest 4 роки тому +12

    Happy second Tube-aversary,, Cam! Great work.

  • @cat-.-
    @cat-.- 4 роки тому +30

    This. Is why I run aluminum wheels. Also I'm broke but mainly for safety.

    • @philipcooper8297
      @philipcooper8297 3 роки тому +2

      Aluminium wheels can also fail in the same matter.

    • @vp5633
      @vp5633 3 роки тому +1

      @@philipcooper8297 Jokes falling on dumb ears are my favourite

    • @robertp7209
      @robertp7209 3 роки тому

      My alloy wheels cost more than carbon, and I’ll pay a lot more too.

    • @robertp7209
      @robertp7209 3 роки тому

      @@philipcooper8297 - where and when and how? Very rare event, if so. Very rare.

    • @vp5633
      @vp5633 3 роки тому

      @@robertp7209 calm down Robert, you’re an intense N0nce

  • @simongeeves9662
    @simongeeves9662 4 роки тому

    Congrats for 2 year YT anniversary Cam. Wish the best for you and your family, your video’s are frank, honest and always entertaining to watch. For the topic of this video there is so much to unpack, the failure and injury’s are really shocking I hope for a speedy recovery for ‘John’.
    I think people who really understand the engineering and marketing demands of the product (medium depth full carbon clincher rim) understand that this accident would be the majority of the very few catastrophic failures. Lucky the pro’s and the well experienced run Tubular carbon rims ;)

  • @Danrandon900
    @Danrandon900 4 роки тому +1

    Great to hear he is ok and back on the bike. I had a alloy rim fail on a downhill bike once and walked away without major injury (popped my soft ribs) and that was scary, so I can’t even guess how scary that must have been on tarmac.
    And this is why it’s always best to ride with someone

  • @504yaj
    @504yaj 4 роки тому +310

    Two words: Disc Brakes

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +10

      Haha

    • @ruiteixeira1594
      @ruiteixeira1594 4 роки тому +8

      So why cavendish went down?

    • @darbymckilkannoncaid3279
      @darbymckilkannoncaid3279 4 роки тому +22

      @@ruiteixeira1594 if you slow down the video you can see the rider next to him caught cavendish's wheel with his front wheel and that's when the fold happened

    • @maurice4407
      @maurice4407 4 роки тому +4

      @@ruiteixeira1594 he had rim brakes

    • @nuttynut722
      @nuttynut722 4 роки тому +5

      be aware, Aussie sugar addict will pop out and troll u in no time

  • @guiazevedoleite
    @guiazevedoleite 4 роки тому +6

    Nice video once more, my friend. I know that "brands"will never say that carbon is not recommended for those who weight more than 85 kg. But that's what i recon. 85kg is the limit, because the factors that the specialist describe, such as temperature, bumps and so on. Today we have lots of good aluminum wheels and frames. I don't see point to run the risk. Hope you conquer more and more success in youtube! Greetings from Bauru-são paulo-Brazil.

  • @eustacehyliger3487
    @eustacehyliger3487 4 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing this incident in the manner you did. I also appreciate the associated lessons.
    Congratulations on the 2 years.

  • @brianessex7102
    @brianessex7102 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you for doing this video. I cycle up Bear Mtn all the time. The route up 9W to Bear from NYC is a very popular one. Its not unusual at all to hit 50+mph on the way down. I've often thought about what could go wrong in the process and tend to modulate and sit up whenever I can. Glad to hear he is doing okay.
    After seeing this, I may opt to get some 'climbing wheels' for just such a ride. Typically I get more worried about braking down those hills in the wet but this adds another element. Although I'll still likely be a rim brake fan as well. Having a friend wake up before a 100mi event with warped rotors has pretty much kept me away from discs.

  • @quagmyer7230
    @quagmyer7230 4 роки тому +76

    I know many riders who have “downgraded to carbon fiver wheels” with no gain in performance whatsoever, every time they hit a ripple on the road, they want to stop and inspect the wheels, what kind of life is that? I assume it’s good for professional athletes with deep pocket sponsors, but the look factor is the only gain on this.

    • @anata5127
      @anata5127 3 роки тому +4

      What are you talking about! Aluminum wheels deform (not brake), tires off and you fly like a bird. Want to be safe; then ride max at 40 mph, weight

    • @jamesmeezan1254
      @jamesmeezan1254 3 роки тому +3

      @@anata5127 agree. A good pair of carbon rims built right with rider weight less then 80kg, will never have issues. Just be smart and know the limits of your equipment.

    • @xunder3
      @xunder3 3 роки тому

      This.
      I don't want to have to think about my equipment on the ride - I just want to ride. And assuming that I've properly maintained the bike, and IT makes ME look good when I'm OFF of it that's plenty good-enough. (Hell, I should be able to ride an UGLY bike and not care; anyone close-enough to me to form an opinion about my ride is too close...which is a "me" problem for both under-training AND over-caring.)

    • @xunder3
      @xunder3 3 роки тому +1

      @@anata5127 Since the issue is one of compromises if you're going to ride at all, the real question is reasonability of construction materials used. So although you're correct that aluminum wheels aren't *guaranteed* to not fail, the relative advantages and disadvantages of the alternative have to be considered as well.
      That said, when carbon fiber breaks, the rate for catastrophic failure is EXTREMELY high relative to aluminum. In addition, wheel integrity is probably the single most-important consideration on a bike (followed closely by the stem) since failure at either of those points GUARANTEES a fall.
      The question then becomes a simple one: what demonstrable gain is worth the significantly-increased possibility of a catastrophic wheel failure for which there is no engineering solution? (Relative to carbon fiber as a construction material for wheels, caliper brakes can CERTAINLY make carbon fiber *worse*, but disk brakes DON'T make carbon fiber *better*...)

    • @anata5127
      @anata5127 3 роки тому

      @@xunder3 I just wonder how many carbon wheels failed, if they are not from China, no rim brakes and no speed over 40mph? My guess almost none.

  • @richardcarr6493
    @richardcarr6493 4 роки тому +36

    THIS HAPPENS ON DISC BRAKE WHEELS TOO ,l ve seen colasped wheels at the LBS with disc brakes from an impact SO FoR THIS REASON ALLOY WHEELS ONLY FOR ME !!

    • @zoso73
      @zoso73 4 роки тому +12

      Correct. The braking force from a disc brake goes where? it is applied down each spoke to each spoke nipple, putting pressure on the carbon area around each spoke. So carbon disc brake wheels are not fool-proof.

    • @channul4887
      @channul4887 3 роки тому +2

      @@zoso73 but the heat doesn't transfer to the rim with disc brakes, what kills the carbon clinchers is the high temps from braking.

    • @nachelia
      @nachelia 3 роки тому

      @@zoso73 I would think that the pressure across all the spokes would be small enough as it is distributed across multiple areas, for the most part, evenly. No?

    • @zoso73
      @zoso73 3 роки тому

      @@nachelia in theory, that is correct. Very important to buy good quality DB carbon wheels from known manufacturers.

    • @anata5127
      @anata5127 3 роки тому

      bianchi1885 Mavic is reputable manufacturer.

  • @dominicward3523
    @dominicward3523 4 роки тому

    Great video Cam. Glad John is ok what a horrendous crash. And happy anniversary!

  • @greatvedas
    @greatvedas 4 роки тому +1

    Appreciate your analysis along with LT's technical details.

  • @jrutman4441
    @jrutman4441 4 роки тому +12

    Sounds like a very good argument for disk brakes on bikes... My rim/tire combo will never get that hot

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +2

      Yes correct J 👍

    • @jarnozondag694
      @jarnozondag694 4 роки тому

      I've seen more mavic wheels explode under high heat than any other brand. I know 3 guys with mavics that exploded during descending. I've never had a problem with quasar, ffwd and scope. I don't brake much and only race on tubs but I train on carbon clinchers.... I think it depends on more variables other than cArBoN cLinChErS

  • @basengelblik5199
    @basengelblik5199 3 роки тому +5

    "I don't mean to throw Mavic under the bus ... Maybe explore some other brands" 😂

  • @leroy_who
    @leroy_who 4 роки тому +1

    Congrats on the two years, Cam. Love what you do. If you’re ever in Byron, come for a pedal.... and a frothy.
    Cheers mate,
    Leroy.

  • @christianemeiners9224
    @christianemeiners9224 4 роки тому

    Hey Cam, Happy 2nd Anniversary! Just started watching you content maybe three months ago and I really like it a lot. Looking forward to more Aussi cycling wisdom. Cheers

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +1

      Cheers Christine, thanks for the support 👍

  • @letour32rr
    @letour32rr 4 роки тому +12

    Also, Cavendish’s wheel folded when the other rider hit it at and angle and ran it over. It didn’t fold then the other cyclist hit it.

    • @feedbackzaloop
      @feedbackzaloop 4 роки тому

      Yes we all saw it. Even so the rim should have deflected that impact and bend or shatter afterwards.

  • @alicenicholls5564
    @alicenicholls5564 4 роки тому +79

    HAPPY TWO YEARS BABE!
    Sah amazing that you remembered your two year UA-cam Anniversary because you’ve never once remembered any of ours.
    Details.
    🤣🙋‍♀️

  • @jamesshields1969
    @jamesshields1969 4 роки тому

    Cam, brother I love your content and I really enjoy all of your videos, advice and I appreciate the time you take and put into your video content. Keep it up mate👊🏻

  • @67er_matze97
    @67er_matze97 4 роки тому +4

    Congrats Cam for the 2 years on YT and thanks for sharing great info with us in this case for the sake of safety of us riders!! In the scene with Cav I think the situation is different. I do not think that this was caused by structural fail of the wheel in itself. I think if you look at the scenery with half speed it is clear to see that when Cav's front wheel goes side to side, the rider with the polkadot jersey hits the side of Cav's front wheel. So in this case imo mechanical impact into the side of Cav's front wheel is root cause in a race accident. Not that this makes a difference for the problem in general, but I think if we want to learn the most of analysing the scene, this might be considered. All the best to John for a fast and good recovery!!!

  • @Grubbyalien
    @Grubbyalien 4 роки тому +40

    When I was looking at a new bike I wanted disc brakes with carbon rims just for longevity and durability but this is another good reason 🥵

    • @Efu884
      @Efu884 4 роки тому +9

      This was one of the reasons I got myself a disk brake road bike. I did not trust carbon rim brake wheels

    • @umutbirey101
      @umutbirey101 4 роки тому +3

      @@Efu884 but alloy wheels

    • @Andermandragon
      @Andermandragon 4 роки тому +2

      You guys are so right. Rim brakes will eventually damage the carbon wheels

    • @damFr
      @damFr 4 роки тому +1

      Well in my case I did have issue with carbons disc wheel. Some brands don’t use the same “glue” or “epoxy” to make them because no heat generated by brake pad. Then it is very fragile and heat is everywhere (be careful when you take your bike in a car : sun or heat pipe). Best choice is aluminium.

    • @robertp7209
      @robertp7209 4 роки тому +2

      Stefan - bike manufacturers converting to disc because they have to, carbon was never suited as a heat transfer medium. Liability issues between tire and tube manufacturers and bike companies. And besides it jacks the price up and the usual planned obsolescence, and you can’t go back or forward from rim / disc.

  • @carbonsuicidemtb1583
    @carbonsuicidemtb1583 4 роки тому +27

    ⬆️ notice my name, there is a reason for this sarcasm, john found out regrettably too late, glad to hear he is ok

  • @dantedorado2609
    @dantedorado2609 4 роки тому +2

    Came here from Luescher Teknik's channel... Yeah, you're right, Cam, I did find the images distressing because he could've easily been killed, and it's easy to imagine either yourself, or someone you know, lying there on the ground all bloodied and knocked out. So glad he's okay and was able and happy to talk to you (and us) about his experience. My instinct was to only buy carbon rims in the future if they have disc brakes, watching this, yeah I feel justified in thinking this.
    Also, another clear case where wearing a helmet saves lives.
    Great video!

  • @edwardmedina1594
    @edwardmedina1594 3 роки тому

    Cam - You are a great dad. Nice to see those touching moments and how close you are with your daughters.

  • @kupsickted
    @kupsickted 4 роки тому +4

    A local Gran Fondo in my area, with a lot of climbing and descents, doesn’t allow carbon wheels unless you’re riding discs.

    • @sealcycle2020
      @sealcycle2020 4 роки тому

      I heard GA had one like this and had the same rule.

    • @anata5127
      @anata5127 3 роки тому

      They also need to put speed limit rule during descent. No more than 35mph or biker is kicked out from Gran Fondo, local Gran Fondo.

  • @F1rstp3rson
    @F1rstp3rson 4 роки тому +5

    I had an accident 2 years ago. It was really hot that day, 39C in Germany, was riding my bike and then I blacked out while traveling at around 30 km/h. I don't know how I went down, but I do know that I hit my head on a curb pretty hard, but luckily I was wearing my helmet. Some passengers saw this and rushed to help me, I remember being in an Ambulance Car and getting treated, but I didn't go to the hospital. I don't know why but I started freaking out when I was told that they want to bring me to the Hospital. So they didn't. That's the last memory I have. The next thing I remember is being at home sitting at my computer desk and staring at a wall and having the worst pain in my Arm and Shoulder of my life. I can't remember how I got home, but apparently, I rode my bike home.I lost 6 hours, I don't know where I was or what it did in this time. I did go to the Doctor the next day. I was okay but in a lot of pain. My Arm, Face, and right leg was bruised and scuffed. I remember the reaction my Girlfriend, now Wife had upon first seeing me after the accident. :D. I was scared to get on my bike for the whole month, I couldn't anyway cause it took 6 Weeks for my Arm and Shoulder to heal or at least for the pain to go away. I get more headaches and sometimes shoulder pain since then. And just now writing this story I realize that I could have easily died that day. Always wear a helmet.

    • @xx-----------xx873
      @xx-----------xx873 4 роки тому +1

      Sounds like you had a major concussion. The helmet saved your life for sure :)

  • @ni-31
    @ni-31 4 роки тому

    Really insightful conversation with Raoul. Great job Cam.

  • @esdenaze
    @esdenaze 4 роки тому

    Crazy high quality vlogpost! Thanks for this insight!

  • @hagakuru
    @hagakuru 4 роки тому +47

    At 95kg, I only ride aluminum wheels for this reason and being a heavy rider.

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому

      Yes can appreciate that 👍 thanks for sharing

    • @kiribatichris
      @kiribatichris 4 роки тому +4

      I made a similar decision. Even on the alloy version of Mavic Cosmics at 100kgs I am at the upper limit of the stated load capacity for the wheel set. The rider in this case, at 100kg - plus bike, kit, water bottles etc, was also probably closer to the 120kg limit for his wheels.

    • @LeoInterHyenaem
      @LeoInterHyenaem 4 роки тому +3

      @@kiribatichris That 120kg limit is a joke. Worse yet - Focus states a 110kg system limit on all their bikes. Basically, good for people weighing 85kg. at most sans luggage! Should you bother to do bike packing, shopping or - not to mention - loaded touring - better make sure you're not a gram heavier than 65kg. before you buy a Focus. Thence, I avoid that brand like a plague. Compare them to Trek, who have more or less no weight limit on their bikes (and decidedly none for their carbon wheels).

    • @ManuelMartinez09
      @ManuelMartinez09 4 роки тому

      I would say: It's not about your weight but what kind of riding you do.
      Glad to hear he's ok

  • @Alex-gt2yh
    @Alex-gt2yh 4 роки тому +4

    DISC BRAKES TIME 🔥

  • @KingoftheHobbits
    @KingoftheHobbits 4 роки тому

    Great video! You're doing an amazing job getting quality content out there!

  • @gagandeephunjan5256
    @gagandeephunjan5256 4 роки тому

    Happy Anniversary Cam. Great content! Keep up this great work..

  • @jasperverkuijl
    @jasperverkuijl 4 роки тому +18

    Sounds like we have similar experience with mavic wheels..... just posted my 5 year review video of my Canyon that came with the mavic wheels when i bought it. I melted the brakes on those wheels while descending.... don’t want to spam my video but if you are ok I will share the link🤙🏻

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +1

      Go for it you cycling fanatic 😆 , cheers, Cam

    • @jasperverkuijl
      @jasperverkuijl 4 роки тому +8

      Cam Nicholls roger cheers 🤙🏻 here we go, 5 YEAR review including melting brakes🔥 on descending:
      ua-cam.com/video/8vQHjgz_W-8/v-deo.html

    • @jarnozondag694
      @jarnozondag694 4 роки тому +1

      @@jasperverkuijl ik ken ook meerdere gasten met mavic wielen die problemen hebben gehad. Ik denk dat mavic gewoon de hitte niet goed kan handelen...
      I know a few guys who have had problems with exploding mavic and shrapnel flying everywhere...
      I think mavic can't handle heat well especially when descending when you're a big guy like Jasper.

    • @db613
      @db613 4 роки тому +1

      Nice the 2 channels I follow talk to each other on each other's channels 😆

    • @db613
      @db613 4 роки тому +1

      If either of you are in NYC hit me up and will take you along the GFNY route where this guy fell, it's breathtaking! I just finished 30 miles of repeats on Alpine Hudson Drive (5,000 ft of climbing). I may Everest there ...

  • @86Hasse
    @86Hasse 4 роки тому +5

    That's it. I'm never riding a bike with rim brakes again!😂

    • @tesmith47
      @tesmith47 4 роки тому +1

      The culprit is carbon wheel not the brakes type

    • @86Hasse
      @86Hasse 4 роки тому

      @@tesmith47 It probably never would have happened if the rim brakes hadn't over heated the carbon wheels in the first place, so I strongly disagree with that statement, good Sir. Ad to that the problems with over heating and/or melting rim brake pads for heavy riders during long descents, wear on the rims, mediocre performance in wet conditions and quick wear of the pads in dirty conditions. Each to his own, but I'll just stick to disc brakes, thank you 😂👍

    • @aljon5947
      @aljon5947 4 роки тому

      Ye its mostly becus of the carbon fiber resin, but still I think disk brakes are still better option even on alloy wheels.

  • @mbastos1000
    @mbastos1000 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the information you bring to all of us!

  • @hillclimblover2255
    @hillclimblover2255 4 роки тому +1

    I don’t understand why someone dislikes an instructive vidéo?
    Any way thank you very much for sharing the priceless information and happy 2 years🎉
    This reminds us to rethink the braking process down hills and to never take risks in an known and unknown terrain.

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +1

      I often ask the same question mate! Even Neill’s videos get disliked. I don’t know how. Thanks to the support 👍

  • @minjin0259
    @minjin0259 4 роки тому +163

    The perfect reason for not running carbon wheels with rim brakes.

    • @appynoon
      @appynoon 4 роки тому +2

      quite

    • @geddy1972
      @geddy1972 4 роки тому +9

      totally agree. whats the point of using carbon wheels if they cannot be used in a racing bike with rim brakes ?

    • @rtlamb
      @rtlamb 4 роки тому +7

      My thought exactly. Carbon is cool but just because ya can doesn't mean you should. I live in the Seattle WA area where we have a frequently wet environment and lots of hills. This can make for a very scary ride on those uber cool carbon rims!!!!

    • @corporalpunishment1133
      @corporalpunishment1133 4 роки тому +6

      The perfect reason is the $$$$.

    • @minjin0259
      @minjin0259 4 роки тому +2

      @@corporalpunishment1133 Oh, I don't know about that. You can get a really nice set of carbon wheels, like the Zipp 303s, for less than $1500, and they come with a lifetime warranty. I remember when my carbon wheels cost me $2500, and they aren't nearly as nice as the Zipps.

  • @fernandocycling9662
    @fernandocycling9662 4 роки тому +14

    This was i need to never buy a carbon wheelset. Aluminum wheels 4 ever. 😎😎😎. Hope the guy did not get serious injuries.

    • @TraumaER
      @TraumaER 4 роки тому +3

      Not sure who is buying carbon wheels. They are like $1000+ per wheel and do this? That's insanity. But it is 2020 still...

    • @TheRip72
      @TheRip72 4 роки тому

      I bought a used set of carbon wheels at a good price but the had metal braking surfaces. The rear clicked & the front juddered under braking as it got hot. I'm now back with my metal rims but have scratched the 'carbon itch'.

  • @2Petya
    @2Petya 4 роки тому

    Awesome video mate! Very exciting and informative

  • @rexringschott
    @rexringschott 4 роки тому +3

    Such a good video today Cam. Thanks. Glad "John" is okay.

  • @mv80401
    @mv80401 4 роки тому +3

    My Chinese carbon rims are tubulars as well as disk brake - sounds like I made the right decision at the time.

  • @jds6206
    @jds6206 4 роки тому +65

    ALUMINUM RIM is the moral of the story.

    • @totofx
      @totofx 4 роки тому

      Nah i saw aluminum did the same

    • @sodalitia
      @sodalitia 4 роки тому +8

      Way to paint with the wide brush! Nope. The moral of the story is: don't ride carbon wheels with caliper brakes and hard compound pads instead of disc brakes at 70 k/hr while weighing 100 kg. There is nothing inherently wrong with carbon wheels but how you use it.

  • @gregschramm8180
    @gregschramm8180 3 роки тому

    Thank you for the information and I hope he's going to be able to heal and get something in return for his troubles

  • @alex-6710
    @alex-6710 4 роки тому +2

    Fantastic content. Thank you

  • @garytilley3217
    @garytilley3217 4 роки тому +6

    Ha the kids have got you worked out. Wrapped around the little finger.

  • @sbsb4995
    @sbsb4995 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks very much for the sub title. The guy in glasses tried to explain hot it it happened. But I tell you it happened because the integrity of the material is comprised during manufacturing. That's all. for safety purposes, avoid carbon wheels.

  • @benngooch
    @benngooch 4 роки тому

    Great video - thanks everyone involved. Glad "John" is ok.

  • @ecycled3d
    @ecycled3d 4 роки тому

    Excellent video Cam. Watched this because it was in my suggested videos list. Afterwards became a subscriber. Really well done.

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +1

      Cheers mate and thanks for supporting the channel 👍

  • @drewsufff7
    @drewsufff7 4 роки тому +4

    I work at a bike shop and carbon wheels kinda freak me out, once I was setting up tubeless on an Enve and like 15 mins after it was seated the rim cracked and exploded, I thought I would go deaf from the noise, I was fine but a coworker had a similar scenario happen to him and had to pull hundreds of tiny carbon shards from his arm

    • @Jeffis2k
      @Jeffis2k 4 роки тому +1

      Sounds like you pressurized the rim due to a tape failure. These are a lifesaver: www.enve.com/en/products/pressure-relief-valve-stem-nut/

    • @keirfarnum6811
      @keirfarnum6811 3 роки тому

      Wow! Makes one wonder if carbon is really suitable for high pressure road wheels.

  • @OGchickentnt
    @OGchickentnt 3 роки тому +3

    I crashed on my bike going like 15 mph, woke up in a hospital. I was wearing a helmet and don’t remember what happened. Be careful, and always wear a helmet

  • @tommykarate6226
    @tommykarate6226 4 роки тому

    Good info as usual Cam , keep up the good work buddy..peace..!

  • @mndyD9
    @mndyD9 4 роки тому

    That’s so wild! Thank you for sharing, it was super interesting and I had no idea carbon rims could break like that after heating but makes sense. The obvious factor my mind first went to is damage but wow, glad the dude was okay!

  • @mlee6136
    @mlee6136 4 роки тому +7

    Mavic wheels are pretty reliable, they are manufactured and engineered in France. They've been around for over a hundred years and is certainly no fly by night company, i'd trust Mavic over most other company any day. I dont' think its fair to point out Mavic without fully understanding the elements at play here.

    • @kidkarbon4775
      @kidkarbon4775 4 роки тому

      Mavic has factories in Romania & Asia producing carbon rims. It's only the Alloy rims that are manufactured in France
      www.bikeradar.com/features/inside-mavics-alloy-rim-factory-and-service-course/

    • @carlosgaspar8447
      @carlosgaspar8447 4 роки тому

      @@kidkarbon4775 i've come across mavic aluminum rims from taiwan (think it was a cxp-21) and the same rim also from france; yet, it was the taiwan version that had islets.

    • @sealcycle2020
      @sealcycle2020 4 роки тому +3

      YES IT IS FULLY FAIR TO POINT OUT MAVIC!!!!!! THAY ARE MAVIC WHEELS, THEY FAILED . . . Who the f**k else is to blame?
      One of the stupidest remarks I have ever read. "Fully understanding the elements at play"? what elements?

    • @TheRebuilt1
      @TheRebuilt1 2 роки тому

      agreed, he said he waw on the bumpy surface and hit a pothole at speeds of 40+ MPH, those are things at play Mr. Lee was speaking of I believe. I will say these variables i would think the rim should be tested for during R&D but I think the pothole and bumps should be considered along with his weight. I prefer Enve who has no weight limits with their carbon wheels and have had no problem with their products.

  • @darinsteele7091
    @darinsteele7091 4 роки тому +3

    just imagine if he didn't have a helmet on, someones godda come and clean up that mess

  • @bernardgay6550
    @bernardgay6550 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for sharing. Scary looking at the aftermath. Glad ‘John’ is 👍. Good to see he had a helmet on, probably saved his life. Congratulations on the 2 years anniversary too!

  • @glynthomason4216
    @glynthomason4216 4 роки тому

    Congratulations Cam! Love the content mate keep up the good work. I recently bought a set of R-SYS SLR Mavic wheels ( Alloy braking surface ) for a new build, i was tossing up between alloy and carbon, after watching this im glad i made that choice. that being said i think there would only ever be issues with carbon rim brakes on long down hill's. i live down in Geelong so not a lot of hills down this way! Cheers

  • @litchips
    @litchips 4 роки тому +53

    100kg rider, rim brakes, carbon : pick two

    • @TraumaER
      @TraumaER 4 роки тому +3

      100kg as a bike rider is overkill. Get in shape and lose the weight. I dropped over 30lbs just to get into bike shape and it wasn't 30lbs of fat if you know what I mean!

    • @angroth2355
      @angroth2355 4 роки тому +11

      @@TraumaER It also depends on the how tall you are. I am 200 cm tall and weight around 90 kg and would not want to lose weight at this point. But I also decided to buy good alloy wheels two years ago. (My Bike does not have Disc Brakes)

    • @LTPottenger
      @LTPottenger 4 роки тому +1

      Better yet pick zero

    • @channul4887
      @channul4887 3 роки тому +18

      @@TraumaER "100kg as a bike rider is overkill. Get in shape and lose the weight. I dropped over 30lbs just to get into bike shape *and it wasn't 30lbs of fat if you know what I mean!* "
      Yeah, judging by what's coming out of your proverbial mouth that 30lbs was 30lbs of pure shit. No wonder you had no trouble getting rid of that.

    • @TraumaER
      @TraumaER 3 роки тому +1

      Channul ☹️

  • @DanTuber
    @DanTuber 4 роки тому +16

    Rim brakes on carbon rims is asking for trouble.

    • @barrydimelow822
      @barrydimelow822 4 роки тому

      I purchased a Giant TCR rim brake bike that came with carbon wheels . Sold them straight away and swapped for ally rims . Carbon for disc wheels only for me ...

    • @brakesforsnakes757
      @brakesforsnakes757 4 роки тому

      Not at all if you have the right equipment, I've descended some of the most technical canyon roads in SoCal & Utah with Zipp Firecrest wheels since 2011 ( mostly on rim brake bikes ) and they just do their job impeccably.

    • @borano2031
      @borano2031 4 роки тому +1

      The problem is very much worse if you ride clinchers. As more and more people are.. Using tubulars will NOT give you the expanding pressure from the "tyre" to the sidewall of the rim. Rgr

    • @glennoc8585
      @glennoc8585 4 роки тому

      @@borano2031 True but the manufacturers should not sell clincher specific carbon rims if tubular is considered the safe option.

    • @anata5127
      @anata5127 3 роки тому

      borano20 What about tubeless?

  • @justinlambert4937
    @justinlambert4937 4 роки тому

    Keep up the great content, Cam 👍

  • @WowRixter
    @WowRixter 4 роки тому

    Shocking to see that shattered wheel. I've had a hub question outstanding with Mavic for a month. Nobody answers the phone. You're video cleared up a lot for me

  • @grahamwhalley6798
    @grahamwhalley6798 4 роки тому +7

    Same goes for carbon bars too.....from past experience, unfortunately!

    • @LeoInterHyenaem
      @LeoInterHyenaem 4 роки тому +1

      There's carbon, and there's carbon. For instance, the very light Syntace DuraFlite 25.4 carbon handlebar states a max. clamping torque of 8Nm. I've used it for a couple of years with absolutely no issues (never even needed to mind the clamping torque), even during loaded cycle tours (I weighed ca. 95kg at the time, plus ca. 20kg. for the luggage). That's not even to mention the Ortlieb handlebar bag adapter clamped to at least 5Nm on either side of the stem clamp. Plus ca. 2kg, occasionally loaded up to 4kg - of the handlebar bag. Never an issue!
      Last year I resorted to purchasing a chinese "carbon" S-Works AeroFly rise drop bar copycat, goaded by idiotic pro- chinese junk propaganda so popular on UA-cam nowadays. I held the junk with both hands, applied some pressure to see whether it gives - yep, it would flex a lot. I used a torque wrench to make sure I don't over-tighten the clamp. Guess what: as I was about to reach 2Nms of clamping torque - I heard a snapping sound. Undid the clamp, checked the handlebar - sure enough: the junk ("ToSeek" - is that junk's "brand" name) had cracked. I broke the junk with My bare hands with very little effort, deposed of it, applied for a refund - never heard back from scum who sold that junk to Me. A waste of €65,-. The fucking parasites! And the the ultralefty cuckolds have the nerve to claim that the parasitic animal abusers of certain Asian sh*tholes have higher IQs than the Men and Women of the Race of Newton, Tesla, Bach and da Vinci. Give Me a f*cking break!
      So, while one carbon handlebar has a rating of 8Nm and withstands considerable loads, the other one would snap like a twig at 2Nm of clamping force. Chinese junk.

    • @dedge12858
      @dedge12858 4 роки тому +4

      ​@@LeoInterHyenaem What's up with the racism?

  • @larstardo1844
    @larstardo1844 4 роки тому +18

    Someone better tell durianrider lol.

    • @vaughanc4919
      @vaughanc4919 4 роки тому +1

      He's a malnourished 60kg climber type who's not known for his descending prowess! ;)

    • @nuttynut722
      @nuttynut722 4 роки тому +1

      His tinder profile - Sugar, Carb, Rim

    • @John_Wood_
      @John_Wood_ 4 роки тому +1

      @@nuttynut722 He's always got a young hot dumb bird on his arm anyway!

    • @adventuresona700dollarhard5
      @adventuresona700dollarhard5 4 роки тому +3

      Durianrider has made videos about the dangers of rim brake heat during high speed descending.

    • @glennoc8585
      @glennoc8585 4 роки тому +1

      @@vaughanc4919 Hes over 70 kgs

  • @ibramguirguis
    @ibramguirguis 4 роки тому

    Thank you too mate for all the information and the nice video

  • @craigsharp4093
    @craigsharp4093 4 роки тому

    Great work cam. Love the blogs

  • @markosborne7532
    @markosborne7532 4 роки тому +7

    Great video Cam on the dangers of riding carbon clinchers. Recommend watching Peak Torque’s video on this exact thing as well ua-cam.com/video/7O95Cd-aogk/v-deo.html

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому

      Nice one Mark, thanks for sharing. I'll take a look. Cam

    • @brakesforsnakes757
      @brakesforsnakes757 4 роки тому +1

      I've done more than 25k miles on Zipp Firecrest wheels and yes mostly on rim brake bikes since 2011 and if anything fails on my bike I can assure you that it won't be my Zipp carbon wheels.

    • @dudeonbike800
      @dudeonbike800 4 роки тому

      @@brakesforsnakes757 do you by chance live in Florida or Kansas? :)

  • @camdeocampo7368
    @camdeocampo7368 4 роки тому +4

    Moral: ride a mtb suspension and loam to catch you instead of asphalt... I feel really bad for the guy with a wheel failure though. No one expects their bike to explode.

  • @keithmorel2964
    @keithmorel2964 4 роки тому

    Brilliant trickery by your daughter and the shoes. I could listen to Raul all day long fantastic knowledge.

  • @sjc2965
    @sjc2965 4 роки тому

    Great video and informative.
    Cam great work on 2 years on UA-cam with many more to come.

  • @fucktheworld1207
    @fucktheworld1207 4 роки тому +6

    Wanker wheels might look nice, but give me alloy wheels and rim brakes all day every day.....never had a problem with them.....

    • @tomgarner5965
      @tomgarner5965 4 роки тому

      Even alloy rims fail albeit not as often, these freak accidents are rare

    • @MaximRecoil
      @MaximRecoil 3 роки тому

      They don't even look nice. Metal always looks way better than plastic.

  • @1xXNimrodXx1
    @1xXNimrodXx1 4 роки тому

    thanks for sharing, makes my decission between carbon and aluminium rims very easy now

  • @ayogimenez94
    @ayogimenez94 4 роки тому +1

    Saved me from buying mavic wheels and carbon wheels on rim brakes.
    Congrats on 2 years, love the channel!

    • @ironmantooltime
      @ironmantooltime 4 роки тому

      Yea I can see this video causing carbon rim brake wheels to take a terminal price hit!

  • @10067498
    @10067498 4 роки тому

    Good on 'ya Cam! Congrats on the 2 years. 👍👍 Cheers Peter

  • @Stevenafoe
    @Stevenafoe 4 роки тому +2

    Glad to see he had a helmet on! Puts an end to that discussion.
    Are you going discs now?
    I’ve got me some alloy ffwd rims a year ago, set weights about 1650 grams (weighted myself, incl. Tape and so on). Dt swiss 240, spokes trued from factory.

  • @MortenJonassen
    @MortenJonassen 4 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing this tragic story. Hopefully John will recover 100%.
    This goes to show that discs are the way going forward. Also, they provide much more predictable/consistent braking.

  • @nickw6175
    @nickw6175 3 роки тому

    very sensible video, I am a big bloke and my first time on a long alpine decent on cheaper alloy rim brakes by the end of the first decent the front wheel was visibly warped due to me constantly riding the brakes down although they did cool off and i could continue, but made me think a hell of a lot more about the way we brake

  • @alainpfammatter8224
    @alainpfammatter8224 4 роки тому

    Thank you Cam for this very interesting Video. I actually own a Rim brake Bike with exactly these Mavic wheels. I`m a bit afraid of riding this bike now. I have to think about changing wheels or bike. And congrats on the 2 years UA-cam channel. I enjoy watching your Videos.

  • @joshuabanks7229
    @joshuabanks7229 4 роки тому

    Super helpful info for someone getting into riding

  • @runningwithshemp
    @runningwithshemp 4 роки тому +1

    I remember doing the Bear Mt. course both with with Kissena (or was it CRCA I forget) and collegiate West Point races. That pretty rough place to ride. A lot choppy road surfaces and broken glass. One funny anecdote about the West Point race is all the course marshals where cadets in full battle uniform with their M-16. Pace cars and following wheels cars where Humvee. Never seen drivers behaving so well.

  • @stuartmcgill5065
    @stuartmcgill5065 3 роки тому

    Wow! Very scary.... Thanks a lot for sharing.

  • @brianmessemer2973
    @brianmessemer2973 4 роки тому +2

    Wild! The NYC to Bear Mountain ride is a very famous route. Didn’t expect to see Bear Mountain on a Cam Nichols vid, what a pleasant surprise! Brutal brutal crash 😱 I don’t know who that is but I’d bet some of my NY Strava buddies know who this person was. Glad the person didn’t have even worse I injuries. I really appreciate your excellent story based on this incident. Thanks Cam 🙏

  • @RobWhittlestone
    @RobWhittlestone 4 роки тому

    Nice balanced video. Sorry to hear about the crash and Mavic's fate. I think alloy rims and disk brakes is the way to go... All the best, and congrats on hitting 2 years with > 50k subscribers! Rob

  • @RudiElias86
    @RudiElias86 4 роки тому

    Im glad to hear John is ok. Thats wild what happened to those rims

  • @TheMattprune
    @TheMattprune 4 роки тому

    Scary stuff that!!!! Sort it out Mavic!! Congrats on two years Cam, you rock. Thanks for recent help with my Tarmac purchase!!👍😎

    • @CamNicholls
      @CamNicholls  4 роки тому +1

      Cheers mate, hope you’re enjoying it 🔥

    • @TheMattprune
      @TheMattprune 4 роки тому

      @@CamNicholls absolutely loving it, such a stunning piece of kit, sails through the wind, silky smooth, comfortable and SO fast 😎 wish I bought one years ago.

  • @bondy284
    @bondy284 4 роки тому

    Congratulations on 2 Years Cam 👏👏👏Scary wheel story indeed.🇦🇺