Not in a homo way but yes in a fast physical way. However I ride crap on the flat as I’m light too. I’d prefer more weight and power. Being light I’ve less than incredible power. The wind and lack of power pushes me back on flats. The pros can be light and strong. But they’re one-offs. I’m just a one trick pony. Ok uphill. Very meh on TT or fast flats.
Absolutely love the build. I just absolutely love Campagnolo. Ive got a high end Bianchi I built with Campy 11 Super Rec with rim brakes that I absolutely love, but just bought a 2023 Bianchi Oltre Comp with Shimano Ultegra 12 R8100 disc bike as is outa the box and altho I am loving the electronic shift tech, I won't be letting my 'old' Bianchi sit in the garage gathering dust. No way!
Still loving my 2022 rim brake TCR. So disappointing that you can’t find a mid tier rim brake bike anymore. Save mechanical shifting and rim brakes, love the simplicity and don’t need anymore batteries and chargers in my life.
@@bradcomis1066prices have simply skyrocketed for bikes since discs appeared. Now even more expensive with electronic shifting and less and less cheap(good) options
I’ve road bikes my entire adult life. The past four decades of this life have dovetailed with an astounding amount of innovation that truly did make cycling better (cage-less pedals, clinchers that can go thousands of miles wo flatting, apparel to fit every need, an so on). However I just don’t see the advantage of disks on a road bike running narrow (28m) tires. About the only real advantage I can think of is that (disks) might alleviate unease I have where I worry about overheating a rim. But that’s a pretty rate occurrence. I really hate giving up the mechanical advantage represented by rim brakes, their simplicity, and the fact that don’t make your front wheel asymmetrical (I still really like the looks of my DA 7700 hubs). I have disks on one bike, but they are way oversold on road bikes.
A rim brake bike, with mechanical gears, 25mm tyres, with a few cables integrated... Hey it's a dream bike. I am using durace 9000 11 speed and I would change to super record but it's super hipper mega expensive.
You should look at Record or Chorus. Very little between them, less so than equivalent Dura Ace down to 105. Chorus is more like something between Dura Ace and Ultegra. Both lesser Campagnolo groups have the same carbon bits especially the forged lay cranks. Only more exotic materials separate the top 3. The down shift feel is much more positive and satisfying, like hitting a bolt release catch on an assault rifle. Shimano feels effeminate and dainty in comparison.
Have you shopped at Bike24? Super Record groupset is very reasonably priced. I switched from Dura Ace 9000 once I tested Super Record 11 speed second generation.
SAME HERE, as at this point in my 70 year old life I am not racing, 'Gran Fondoing', or even club riding anymore. NO worries about effing 'zones', or FTPs, or any of the other modern 'must know acronym metrics', just riding for general fitness and pleasure, so NO need for the 'dashboards'. The only thing I might consider is possibly a heart rate monitor, since I do tend to push it at times for my age, and my family has a 'history' of cardiovascular problems and strokes, even though they were nowhere near as fit as I am currently, even when they were younger.
Joe is back!! Boy do we miss those hillclimb video days! Great build and perfectly describes the reason many choose rim brake builds. Liam's build is the "modern version" of Joe's. Great to have them both in this video!
I have literally just built the same bike - but mine has mechanical 9100, and Roval CLX 32/50. Without pedals it's 6.25. Total cost - about £3.5k. I know that's still a significant chunk of change, but it's a lot better than spending ten grand, on something that'll be over a kilo heavier.
My 2012 Fuji Altamira Di2 Ultegra is still one heck of a light rocket-ship: 15.25lbs (6.9kg) with 50mm deep carbon wheels, Ultegra pedals and Arundel carbon cages in a size M/L. I absolutely LOVE riding it to this very day (owned it since brand new nearly 15 years ago). First gen Ultegra Di2 still works flawlessly and the battery lasts forever (recharge every 2000 miles). Other than brake pads, chains, occasional brake cable replacement, tires and bar tape...the bike has required zero additional replacement parts. I have numerous "modern" disc brake equipped bikes. And I do really enjoy them thoroughly. But my rim brake equipped bikes are stupid easy to work on, cheap to maintain, lighter by miles than my equivalent disc bikes at a fraction of the cost (it would cost me $10,000+ to have a disc bike Ultegra Di2 at the same 15.25lbs as my Altamira).
I thoroughly enjoy the fully mechanic groupset and have no desire for batteries and chargers injected onto my bike. Super Record and Record are fantastic products. I even have Shamal Ultras that seem to spin forever. I left Dura Ace and Ultegra behind.
I'm just fed up with the stigma of how bad rim brakes are . They work just fine and people need to learn how to use them properly in different conditions .
This is the first good looking bike I’ve seen reviewed for about 3 years. Road bikes are so ugly now with discs and fat tyres and I can’t believe so many people have been sucked in by the marketing. I find it hard getting out on my CX bike as it looks so uninspiring with the discs. The industry has just conned people into buying a gravel bike for the road so that they can lower production costs. Discs are not conducive to racing either and yesterday Wout van Aert lost because it took him over a minute to change wheels with a team mate.
Agreed 101% This TCR is Beautiful ! I have also ridden decades & have no plan to ever ride disc on the road. For all the reasons mentioned here but also we travel Internationally with the bikes & we don't want to deal with fluids or batteries either for that matter ;) So yeah Mechanical shifting Rim Brakes for us too!
Beautiful bike!!! Big fan of this TCR...killing Rim brakes is big mistake in my opinion, both systems rim and disk brakes have some advantages and disadvantages (i have CAAD 13 R7000 105 disc and CAAD Optimo 2020 R7000 105 Rim so i ride and know both) for road bike i still think rim brakes are better solution, they are lighter cheaper and much easier to maintain i dont see big difference in braking performance if any between the two either, but i guess that disc brakes are better with carbon wheels and if you wanna use wider tires like 30c+.
I absolutely love Joe’s build. I have a Colnago C59 and a C60. Both have that old school lugged frame look. Both are equipped with Campa Record 11v mechanical group set and rim brakes. They are a joy to ride. Keep up the good work Joe. More climbing videos!
Gone full mullet on several of my bikes -- discs in the front where it matters and weighs much less (short hydraulic tube), rims in the back where you don't need the power and want to minimize weight for the tubing run. Ultimately switched to ceramic rims, so the stopping power in the wet is still incredible.
Imagine brakes that self adjust as they wear? Brakes that rarely need their surfaces cleaned? That's simplicity. The engineers did their job with disc brakes to make them simpler for the user.
@@veganpotterthevegan Yup, and HUGE profits for the bike shop owners when they need servicing, on top of raising the co$t of entry to buy the damned bike equipped with them in the first place. Are you a bike company rep, or shop owner/employee maybe??
@LS1conehead not as big as you think for most shop owners. That's why there are significantly fewer bike shops now than there were in the 80s. I don't work in bikes anymore. I roast coffee and build things. But I was in the industry for 15yrs and still have good friends in the industry from basic salespeople, reps, and shop owners.
Discs are great, but you get more for your money with rim brakes, and the easy maintenance is a great bonus too. My dream road bike is still a mechanical shifting rim brake bike.
Really really cool looking bike.... there's something about rimbrake bikes that make them have a better appeal than a discbrake one. Probably because they don't have a dish on both wheels 😅.
I took out a new TCR with discs for a test drive. I really wanted to like it but the brakes had no progression at all. They felt worse than my carbon rim brakes.
I like that one can have a full radial spoking pattern on the front wheel, and on the non-drive side rear wheel as well. Something absolutely verboten on ALL disc brake wheelsets, hence gone forever once those are all we can buy in the (hopefully distant, but probably not considering these effing manufacturers) future.
I have never serviced the rim breaks of any bike I have ever had for the last 20 years. Except to exchange pads, or line them up with my hands back in the time.
I bought a Colnago C60 in the fall of 2021, and it was intentional. I don't need or want disc brakes as I don't race and I don't ride in the rain. It's fitted with Record 11 speed mechanical (also intentional) and BORA WTO 45's. And yes, mechanical is more reliable, and rim brakes are effortless to work on. Setting up internally routed cables is a pain in the ass. Aesthetically, rim brakes win 100%.
I love the feel of rim brakes and the clean look of non-disc wheels. For dry winter riding or spring/ summer I ride rim brakes. The occasional rain isn’t too big an issue with good blocks. My winter hack has mechanical discs and it stops better in heavy rain or slop. As I’m not a mad-fast rider looking for late braking on bends, a more planned out approach avoids scary moments. Love hydraulic discs on my MTB, it’s where they belong. Basically, ride what you enjoy.
I bought a Basso Venta Rim Brake last year from the UK AD. It is my dream bike. I couldn't agree more with everything you've mentioned in this video. I am happy when I ride it. Cheers!
Gorgeous perfect bike! ❤️🔥❤️🔥 Far superior to the disc brake pain-in-the-ass, proprietary parts, hard-to-service crap bikes dominating the market these days.
Great example of rim brake bikes! I still ride my Cannondale SuperSix Evo 2gen dura ace road bike, it’s just the best ever! My gravel/adventure bike is also rim brake, Bridgestone Anchor CX6 with canti calipers. Both bikes have plenty of stopping power and modulation, no need for disc brakes whatsoever!
Absolutely stunning looking bike . I am very much against disc brakes on road bikes as I dont think they're needed and spoil the look . I feel the bike industry is also trying to coerce us into buying this more expensive system . I am not a fan of rim brakes on carbon wheels though.
A big thumbs up to your priorities with your Giant! 👍👌 Whilst I would not say no to a new Cervelo S5 if it was free, my 2010 Cervelo RS needed a couple of siblings to help fill my apartment. N+2! Staying with used rim brake versions allowed me to 'steal' an RCA frameset from the States during the pandemic & pick up a matching R5 on my trip to the '22 Worlds. A couple of test rides of a Shimano R9200 equipped demo bike at the Wollongong Worlds told me that my wallet's decision to leave me with rim brakes & mechanical shifting was spot on, for me. My XL RCA with R9100 shifting, Cervelo AB-04 bars with a Giant 140mmx-20 stem & Tri-Rig brakes weighs 6.8kgs with no syringes or charging required. Enjoy those next 1,100 votes, too. 😱
My like counts for 9,999, just fyi. As a fellow mechanical Campag user (Record though, let’s face it Super Record is just bourgeois) i can attest that nearly any level of mechanical Campagnolo is just better! Love the build, enjoyed the video. Muchas gracias!
My circa 2001 Record 10 gruppo's shifting and braking have NEVER EVER let me down, not even once! Do the new battery powered wifi overpriced things shift a microsecond quicker (when they are functioning properly, and the batteries are not dead or dying) than the Campy mechanical? Of course. Do I give even half a shit about that minutia? Hell effing NO!!
If you love them fair enough. I resisted for years but I have just bought a disc brake bike and there is no comparison. Descending into corners just knowing you will slow down enough has made me faster. I still ride my rim brake bike and boy how bad they really are in comparison. Now you can buy a disc brake bike that is 300g lighter than your old rim brake there is no reason not to. (7.3kg vs 7.6) I'm a boomer and spending my money before the kids spend it for me)
I don't think so. I came from rim brakes and now ride on discs. I can descend much faster and more aggressively on disc brakes than on rims. Cornering on descends are much easier. And believe it or not, I have broken my PRs on the hills/mountains with my heavier and more aerodynamic disc bike than my lighter rim brake bike. Don't get me started with the rain. But I would still be buying a rim brake bike for commuting for easier maintenance.
@@stickymiky123 Fair enough, but NOT every 'boomer' is as disposable income wealthy as you are, and CANNOT spend more on a road bike than on a NEW car! I REFUSE to pay that much for an item just because a manufacturer wants to make an 85%+ profit on me by forcing me onto a carbon, disc braked, ridiculously/exorbitantly overpriced machine I do not need for my purposes. IF/when they become more reasonably/rationally affordable, I will consider one, maybe.
Disc brakes.. heavier, less aero, more complex and prone to failure, requires more maintainance and costs more. But man suckers lined right up for that, just because marketing from the manufacturers told them to.. And a sucker is born every minute.. Dont get me wrong, dics have their place, you're riding gravel/cross, maybe the tour of flanders, then obviously you want your brake track out of the muck as much as possible. But for every day road bikes? Tour riders were decending mountain stages far faster than we ever will, on carbon rims for a decade without issues.. Disc brakes on tri-tt bikes.. What a spectacular marketing scam.
As long as your not riding in wet conditions with carbon wheels or want to run tires over 30mm rim break bikes are great! Definitely much easier to maintain
@@Andy_ATBThat's only because bike manufacturers are not bothering to develop rim brake bikes.... They could easily widen frame clearances and Shimano could easily make a wider caliper.
@@Andy_ATB I cannot fit anything wider than a 25 into my 2000 Merlin Road frame ANYWAY, so I just do not care, at all! WHERE TF will this balloon tire trend stop, at 40mm road tires, 45mm, 50s at 20 PSI?!?!? INSANITY at this point.
I would have LOVED if my 2024 emonda had a rim brake option. Where I live there aren’t any crazy descents & during winter I usually baby my road bike indoors. Plus I just love how rim brakes look and feel.
Love the bike and love Joe! HillClimb Diary’s with Reuben and Jack was some of the best cycling content to ever neck beard it’s way into my algorithm 😂
I have a Colnago V3Rs rim, Campagnolo super record mechanical, bora ones. 6.7kg and - most importantly - the frame cost £1700 and the entire bike was £3780
Another cycling media which tries to convince that rim brakes are bad or at least overall worse than discs. What an utter bollocks. Rim brake (or mechanical) groupsets are way cheaper than hydraulic ones. Also, rim brakes are indeed easier and cheaper to maintain than discs (mechanical or hydraulic). This guy argues with this either for the sake of convincing that discs are easier to work on or he simply has two left hands if rim brakes are harder for him to maintain. Yes, discs, even mechanical, are better than rims in terms of stopping power and modulation (especially hydraulics), but they are obviously inferior in aforementioned aspects. Then, the 'clunking' cables - internal routing appeared about ten years ago, fully internal routing maybe five and all of a sudden exposed cables out in the front are bad, just because they are exposed? What a rubbish. And the best one - why no power meter and no garmin ? Geez, as if these gizmos were truly mandatory to have a 'proper' ride, all the more if the rider no longer trains and competes. Also, Im sure if this guy decided to pay an arm and a leg for a super record, he would keep the factory protective wrap as well or handed over for a proper transparent wrap just like many people do to preserve their expensive bikes and keep them pristine for as long as possible. What an ignorance... The presented rationale behind buying this bike is absolutely valid and reasonable and don't get bought into this subtle narrative that current and expensive industry trends and standards are the only choice and that you should replace your 'old', but perfectly fine bike.
These effing manufacturers are going to (are they TRYING TO? It seems so recently!) price themselves right out of business, eventually! There are only so many dentists, hedge fund managers/company owners, and wealthy inheritors/heirs to sell their $20K USD rides to in this world.
Nice one! Awesome bikes, those. A dose of reality and true enthusiasm! I had one of the last gen TCR SLs built with carbon DT 50mms and DA mechanical - 6.7kg with pedals, cages and mounts in a ML... Personally, I think rim brakes on carbon in the dry are better than road discs. Not so much in the wet!
Just bought a TCR advanced 2 at silly cheap price, actually got it to be my winter bike almost feel its too good for that use!! Lovely bike simplicity of rims for winter use makes lot of sense for me
Rim brakes perform as well as discs - at least with "pure" road bikes on paved surfaces. They are also lighter, much more aero and are easier to maintain. Phasing them out was just a way to force (most) people to buy into a new system which requires pretty much new everything (frame, groupset, wheels etc.).
THANK YOU!! I hope that many of these manufacturers pay with their companies' going under for the above FORCED, completely UN-necessary, obsolescence they pushed on us.
Im still riding my Not so new Scott 2008 Addict R2 now with 11sp Ultegra mechanical. And at 57 I can still(tail wind required of course) nab KOMs on hill climbs but it is getting harder than it was .GO THE OLD SCHOOL!!
Totally agree in every aspect. Looks better and ease of maintenance. Unless you’re doing super sketchy downhills then I don’t think discs are required.
I have a 2019 Bianchi Specialisma with Record 11 and Shamal wheels. 61 cm with pedals and bottle cages and 6.9 kilos. I'm 69 and have seen the changes from 1970 to the present. By the way, I worked on Shimano disc brakes in the early 70s, uck!. Use the (Keep it simple stupid) KISS principal!
Same age, and started racing in 1970. The aero improvements everywhere since that time have made things faster, but much more complicated, and clipless pedal/cleat systems were a true boon to riding. The rest is mostly fluff, save for lighter bikes for climbing, and being able to fit bikes to the rider way better than in the old days. One thing that these newbies who swear by mountain bike sized tubeless tires for the road, run at 50 PSI or less, will never get to experience from back then though is the great sound, and responsive feel, of a Clement Criterium Seta tire pumped up to a shocking, and fully dissed/lambasted (by today's given standards) 140 PSI, when getting up out of the saddle to jump to attempt a breakaway, or to start a sprint. Funny, my old Campy Nuevo Record/Record derailleurs from way back then shifted just as well and reliably as anything on the market today, and the Campy bottom brackets were always straight, true, and reliable (as were the threaded shells they were installed into!) as well. Cannot say the same for even the $15K+ USD carbon vunderbikes' bottom brackets nowadays. 😉☹
Great video boys and great bike choice Joe! Rim brake bikes win the beauty contest hands down. Ease of maintenance and brake modulation has me question whether rim brakes are the actual upgraded brake of choice over disc. Sorry bike industry, you skipped a cog on this one.
I've only owned one rim brake bike, a fair few years ago and I only had it for a few months before it was stolen. The brakes honestly just felt like overkill on them, no one needs breaks that are strong enough to throw you over the handlebars
i wouldnt be suprised if the bike industry starts pushing rim brake bikes again due to lack of innovation they will admit that rim was faster and start rolling back the technology
It simply comes down to your preference on brakes. I feel much safer with a modern high end disk esp. at higher speeds. The mechanical rim are probably really good too. This is a super nice black bike with an all around Sleek Physique. "I wouldn't throw it out of the garage" may even be a Keeper if you know what I mean (namean). I bet she rolls real nice. Enjoy!
We're getting worryingly close to 10k likes
You've got mine. I totally agree with every word Joe says about rim brakes in this video!
A little nudge on X and Instagram.
A season of hill climbing Joe, get that kit ready😂 only 400 likes left to go.
😂@@songofyesterday
Are you a fan of Joe's build?
Not in a homo way but yes in a fast physical way. However I ride crap on the flat as I’m light too. I’d prefer more weight and power. Being light I’ve less than incredible power. The wind and lack of power pushes me back on flats. The pros can be light and strong. But they’re one-offs. I’m just a one trick pony. Ok uphill. Very meh on TT or fast flats.
I’m a fan of Joe’s cameo!
Without a doubt, yes. This is utterly gorgeous.
Absolutely love the build. I just absolutely love Campagnolo. Ive got a high end Bianchi I built with Campy 11 Super Rec with rim brakes that I absolutely love, but just bought a 2023 Bianchi Oltre Comp with Shimano Ultegra 12 R8100 disc bike as is outa the box and altho I am loving the electronic shift tech, I won't be letting my 'old' Bianchi sit in the garage gathering dust. No way!
for shure no
Still loving my 2022 rim brake TCR. So disappointing that you can’t find a mid tier rim brake bike anymore. Save mechanical shifting and rim brakes, love the simplicity and don’t need anymore batteries and chargers in my life.
Huge cost savings as well
Easier to maintain the rim brakes too. And I don't ride in the rain anyway (on the road), so braking performance won't suffer.
@@bradcomis1066prices have simply skyrocketed for bikes since discs appeared. Now even more expensive with electronic shifting and less and less cheap(good) options
Standert?
Yup 2021 advanced pro 1 owner here. There’s something cool owning the last and finest iteration of mechanical groupset and rim brakes 🎉
I’ve road bikes my entire adult life. The past four decades of this life have dovetailed with an astounding amount of innovation that truly did make cycling better (cage-less pedals, clinchers that can go thousands of miles wo flatting, apparel to fit every need, an so on).
However I just don’t see the advantage of disks on a road bike running narrow (28m) tires. About the only real advantage I can think of is that (disks) might alleviate unease I have where I worry about overheating a rim. But that’s a pretty rate occurrence. I really hate giving up the mechanical advantage represented by rim brakes, their simplicity, and the fact that don’t make your front wheel asymmetrical (I still really like the looks of my DA 7700 hubs).
I have disks on one bike, but they are way oversold on road bikes.
A rim brake bike, with mechanical gears, 25mm tyres, with a few cables integrated... Hey it's a dream bike.
I am using durace 9000 11 speed and I would change to super record but it's super hipper mega expensive.
You should look at Record or Chorus. Very little between them, less so than equivalent Dura Ace down to 105. Chorus is more like something between Dura Ace and Ultegra. Both lesser Campagnolo groups have the same carbon bits especially the forged lay cranks. Only more exotic materials separate the top 3. The down shift feel is much more positive and satisfying, like hitting a bolt release catch on an assault rifle. Shimano feels effeminate and dainty in comparison.
My kind of bike and almost certainly timeless
Have you shopped at Bike24? Super Record groupset is very reasonably priced. I switched from Dura Ace 9000 once I tested Super Record 11 speed second generation.
Super Record is most definitely not an upgrade😅
@@veganpottertheveganwhat was so bad about yours?
I absolutely love Joe's build and mentality. No power meter, no computer, amazing!
SAME HERE, as at this point in my 70 year old life I am not racing, 'Gran Fondoing', or even club riding anymore.
NO worries about effing 'zones', or FTPs, or any of the other modern 'must know acronym metrics', just riding for general fitness and pleasure, so NO need for the 'dashboards'.
The only thing I might consider is possibly a heart rate monitor, since I do tend to push it at times for my age, and my family has a 'history' of cardiovascular problems and strokes, even though they were nowhere near as fit as I am currently, even when they were younger.
Joe is back!! Boy do we miss those hillclimb video days! Great build and perfectly describes the reason many choose rim brake builds. Liam's build is the "modern version" of Joe's. Great to have them both in this video!
Thanks for watching!
Joe, I think your bike looks fantastic. Very humble as well.
I have literally just built the same bike - but mine has mechanical 9100, and Roval CLX 32/50. Without pedals it's 6.25. Total cost - about £3.5k. I know that's still a significant chunk of change, but it's a lot better than spending ten grand, on something that'll be over a kilo heavier.
the disc shit will be at least 1 kg heavier. My rim brake AX road bike weights 5,4 kg.
@@cristianpauldanet3724 Mine is 5,9 with 11sp SR EPS in 58cm. Rgr
My 2012 Fuji Altamira Di2 Ultegra is still one heck of a light rocket-ship: 15.25lbs (6.9kg) with 50mm deep carbon wheels, Ultegra pedals and Arundel carbon cages in a size M/L. I absolutely LOVE riding it to this very day (owned it since brand new nearly 15 years ago). First gen Ultegra Di2 still works flawlessly and the battery lasts forever (recharge every 2000 miles). Other than brake pads, chains, occasional brake cable replacement, tires and bar tape...the bike has required zero additional replacement parts. I have numerous "modern" disc brake equipped bikes. And I do really enjoy them thoroughly. But my rim brake equipped bikes are stupid easy to work on, cheap to maintain, lighter by miles than my equivalent disc bikes at a fraction of the cost (it would cost me $10,000+ to have a disc bike Ultegra Di2 at the same 15.25lbs as my Altamira).
So weird how people are frowned upon for having rim brakes, the marketing teams working overtime
Easy to be a rebel
I thoroughly enjoy the fully mechanic groupset and have no desire for batteries and chargers injected onto my bike. Super Record and Record are fantastic products. I even have Shamal Ultras that seem to spin forever. I left Dura Ace and Ultegra behind.
Who cares what people think, I say do you, be you and enjoy!
Rim brakes weigh less than disc.
I'm just fed up with the stigma of how bad rim brakes are . They work just fine and people need to learn how to use them properly in different conditions .
I too have a soft spot for rim brakes, and simplicity of maintenance. And the wheels look awesome.
This is the first good looking bike I’ve seen reviewed for about 3 years. Road bikes are so ugly now with discs and fat tyres and I can’t believe so many people have been sucked in by the marketing. I find it hard getting out on my CX bike as it looks so uninspiring with the discs. The industry has just conned people into buying a gravel bike for the road so that they can lower production costs. Discs are not conducive to racing either and yesterday Wout van Aert lost because it took him over a minute to change wheels with a team mate.
In winter i ride my 18 year old Giant TCR carbon bike. Still a great bike!
Agreed 101% This TCR is Beautiful ! I have also ridden decades & have no plan to ever ride disc on the road. For all the reasons mentioned here but also we travel Internationally with the bikes & we don't want to deal with fluids or batteries either for that matter ;) So yeah Mechanical shifting Rim Brakes for us too!
Nice to see a proper bike❤
I still like high-end carbon wheels with rim brakes, and non-electric shifting
You like carbon wheels with rim brakes... I like a bike that stops when I pull the brake lever. Tomato/tomayto 🤣
Beautiful bike!!! Big fan of this TCR...killing Rim brakes is big mistake in my opinion, both systems rim and disk brakes have some advantages and disadvantages (i have CAAD 13 R7000 105 disc and CAAD Optimo 2020 R7000 105 Rim so i ride and know both) for road bike i still think rim brakes are better solution, they are lighter cheaper and much easier to maintain i dont see big difference in braking performance if any between the two either, but i guess that disc brakes are better with carbon wheels and if you wanna use wider tires like 30c+.
There's nothing stopping bike makers from making rim brake bikes that can accept 32 or 34c tires...except hubris.
In the last 3 years I have had two custom bikes built with rim brakes. Rim brakes are a preference and manufacturers are the ones losing out.
I absolutely love Joe’s build. I have a Colnago C59 and a C60. Both have that old school lugged frame look. Both are equipped with Campa Record 11v mechanical group set and rim brakes. They are a joy to ride. Keep up the good work Joe. More climbing videos!
Me too with art deco color on C59 & C60✨✨✨
Running a rim brake Time Scylon in 2024. It’s just amazing and love the lack of sound when braking compared to my disc brake counterparts
@theeverlastingspiral9617you new to cycling? 😂
@@apv1Not as new as you apparently, because he’s spot on. Learn to use your gear before criticising it ;)
@@Yosser70🤣
@@Yosser70rotors can warp and scrape
@@yesmate78 not as easily as wheel rims and much easier to sort out.
Gone full mullet on several of my bikes -- discs in the front where it matters and weighs much less (short hydraulic tube), rims in the back where you don't need the power and want to minimize weight for the tubing run. Ultimately switched to ceramic rims, so the stopping power in the wet is still incredible.
I don't ride in bad weather, not even wet weather, so, good rim brakes are good enough for me. Love their simplicity.
Imagine brakes that self adjust as they wear? Brakes that rarely need their surfaces cleaned? That's simplicity. The engineers did their job with disc brakes to make them simpler for the user.
@@veganpotterthevegan Yup, and HUGE profits for the bike shop owners when they need servicing, on top of raising the co$t of entry to buy the damned bike equipped with them in the first place.
Are you a bike company rep, or shop owner/employee maybe??
@LS1conehead not as big as you think for most shop owners. That's why there are significantly fewer bike shops now than there were in the 80s. I don't work in bikes anymore. I roast coffee and build things. But I was in the industry for 15yrs and still have good friends in the industry from basic salespeople, reps, and shop owners.
Discs are great, but you get more for your money with rim brakes, and the easy maintenance is a great bonus too. My dream road bike is still a mechanical shifting rim brake bike.
I have always used Rim brakes and will do as long as I can still get them. They work and have always worked well
Really really cool looking bike.... there's something about rimbrake bikes that make them have a better appeal than a discbrake one. Probably because they don't have a dish on both wheels 😅.
They also have less spokes than disc brake bikes.
Pizza cutters you mean
Once you get them working to your liking. Rim brakes have a more variable (alive) feel than car like discs
I took out a new TCR with discs for a test drive. I really wanted to like it but the brakes had no progression at all. They felt worse than my carbon rim brakes.
I like that one can have a full radial spoking pattern on the front wheel, and on the non-drive side rear wheel as well.
Something absolutely verboten on ALL disc brake wheelsets, hence gone forever once those are all we can buy in the (hopefully distant, but probably not considering these effing manufacturers) future.
I have never serviced the rim breaks of any bike I have ever had for the last 20 years. Except to exchange pads, or line them up with my hands back in the time.
Well that is called service.
I bought a Colnago C60 in the fall of 2021, and it was intentional. I don't need or want disc brakes as I don't race and I don't ride in the rain. It's fitted with Record 11 speed mechanical (also intentional) and BORA WTO 45's. And yes, mechanical is more reliable, and rim brakes are effortless to work on. Setting up internally routed cables is a pain in the ass. Aesthetically, rim brakes win 100%.
I’m building a superlight sub 6 rim brakes bike SRAM22 on a 2016 FUJI SL so of course I like that bike! TCR ADVANCED SL is said to be awesome
I'll let you know. I've just bought this frameset
Which Sram 22? Red or Force?
@@einundsiebenziger5488 sram 22 RED of course, the lightest. That build hasn’t happened yet and I’ve been considering a LOOK Huez 785 RS for the frame
I love the feel of rim brakes and the clean look of non-disc wheels. For dry winter riding or spring/ summer I ride rim brakes. The occasional rain isn’t too big an issue with good blocks. My winter hack has mechanical discs and it stops better in heavy rain or slop. As I’m not a mad-fast rider looking for late braking on bends, a more planned out approach avoids scary moments. Love hydraulic discs on my MTB, it’s where they belong. Basically, ride what you enjoy.
I bought a Basso Venta Rim Brake last year from the UK AD. It is my dream bike. I couldn't agree more with everything you've mentioned in this video. I am happy when I ride it. Cheers!
Gorgeous perfect bike! ❤️🔥❤️🔥 Far superior to the disc brake pain-in-the-ass, proprietary parts, hard-to-service crap bikes dominating the market these days.
Great example of rim brake bikes! I still ride my Cannondale SuperSix Evo 2gen dura ace road bike, it’s just the best ever!
My gravel/adventure bike is also rim brake, Bridgestone Anchor CX6 with canti calipers.
Both bikes have plenty of stopping power and modulation, no need for disc brakes whatsoever!
Absolutely stunning looking bike . I am very much against disc brakes on road bikes as I dont think they're needed and spoil the look . I feel the bike industry is also trying to coerce us into buying this more expensive system .
I am not a fan of rim brakes on carbon wheels though.
A big thumbs up to your priorities with your Giant! 👍👌
Whilst I would not say no to a new Cervelo S5 if it was free, my 2010 Cervelo RS needed a couple of siblings to help fill my apartment. N+2!
Staying with used rim brake versions allowed me to 'steal' an RCA frameset from the States during the pandemic & pick up a matching R5 on my trip to the '22 Worlds.
A couple of test rides of a Shimano R9200 equipped demo bike at the Wollongong Worlds told me that my wallet's decision to leave me with rim brakes & mechanical shifting was spot on, for me.
My XL RCA with R9100 shifting, Cervelo AB-04 bars with a Giant 140mmx-20 stem & Tri-Rig brakes weighs 6.8kgs with no syringes or charging required.
Enjoy those next 1,100 votes, too. 😱
Looks lovely and not really a fan of Campag but that thing just ticks all the boxes!
Miss the Jack and Joe vids!
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My like counts for 9,999, just fyi. As a fellow mechanical Campag user (Record though, let’s face it Super Record is just bourgeois) i can attest that nearly any level of mechanical Campagnolo is just better! Love the build, enjoyed the video. Muchas gracias!
My circa 2001 Record 10 gruppo's shifting and braking have NEVER EVER let me down, not even once!
Do the new battery powered wifi overpriced things shift a microsecond quicker (when they are functioning properly, and the batteries are not dead or dying) than the Campy mechanical?
Of course.
Do I give even half a shit about that minutia? Hell effing NO!!
I do agree on his point as I ride , the brakes works as well as disc … so I do prefer rim more than disc
If you love them fair enough. I resisted for years but I have just bought a disc brake bike and there is no comparison. Descending into corners just knowing you will slow down enough has made me faster. I still ride my rim brake bike and boy how bad they really are in comparison. Now you can buy a disc brake bike that is 300g lighter than your old rim brake there is no reason not to. (7.3kg vs 7.6) I'm a boomer and spending my money before the kids spend it for me)
I don't think so. I came from rim brakes and now ride on discs. I can descend much faster and more aggressively on disc brakes than on rims. Cornering on descends are much easier. And believe it or not, I have broken my PRs on the hills/mountains with my heavier and more aerodynamic disc bike than my lighter rim brake bike. Don't get me started with the rain. But I would still be buying a rim brake bike for commuting for easier maintenance.
@@stickymiky123 Fair enough, but NOT every 'boomer' is as disposable income wealthy as you are, and CANNOT spend more on a road bike than on a NEW car!
I REFUSE to pay that much for an item just because a manufacturer wants to make an 85%+ profit on me by forcing me onto a carbon, disc braked, ridiculously/exorbitantly overpriced machine I do not need for my purposes.
IF/when they become more reasonably/rationally affordable, I will consider one, maybe.
Great to have you back Joe. Love that bike and build. Enjoy it!
Leonardo Da Vinci famously said: “simplicity is the ultimate in sophistication”.
Evolution makes the same argument
Not a fan of the bike but Joe rocks. Bring him back … we want to see Bike Radar Diaries again!!!!
I’ve been cycling my colnago master for over 20 years and I never seen the use for disk brakes. The rim brakes work just fine.
Disc brakes.. heavier, less aero, more complex and prone to failure, requires more maintainance and costs more. But man suckers lined right up for that, just because marketing from the manufacturers told them to.. And a sucker is born every minute..
Dont get me wrong, dics have their place, you're riding gravel/cross, maybe the tour of flanders, then obviously you want your brake track out of the muck as much as possible. But for every day road bikes? Tour riders were decending mountain stages far faster than we ever will, on carbon rims for a decade without issues.. Disc brakes on tri-tt bikes.. What a spectacular marketing scam.
LOVELY. I built exactly that same bike in jan. rims. TCR sl pro xl. Same price for frame. Great value.
Great to see a new rim brake bike.
As long as your not riding in wet conditions with carbon wheels or want to run tires over 30mm rim break bikes are great! Definitely much easier to maintain
Something often missed by rim brake fans; discs allow you to fit wide tyres.......
Soooo...no good for 95% of UK weather and roads
You can go with V-brakes. I just built a gravel machine with V-brakes and run 42mm tires@@Andy_ATB
@@Andy_ATBThat's only because bike manufacturers are not bothering to develop rim brake bikes.... They could easily widen frame clearances and Shimano could easily make a wider caliper.
@@Andy_ATB I cannot fit anything wider than a 25 into my 2000 Merlin Road frame ANYWAY, so I just do not care, at all!
WHERE TF will this balloon tire trend stop, at 40mm road tires, 45mm, 50s at 20 PSI?!?!?
INSANITY at this point.
Super nice looking bike and a great choice of wheels. Boras have the best brake tracks for carbon clinchers I've ever ridden.
I would take that bike over all the new bikes 😉
Especially if you splash out yourself! Rgr
lets all go disc brake bikes, why ? because they brake better !!! LOOOOOOL
@@borano2031
I would have LOVED if my 2024 emonda had a rim brake option.
Where I live there aren’t any crazy descents & during winter I usually baby my road bike indoors.
Plus I just love how rim brakes look and feel.
I’m a disc brake owner and think that your build is gorgeous!
Love the bike and love Joe! HillClimb Diary’s with Reuben and Jack was some of the best cycling content to ever neck beard it’s way into my algorithm 😂
I have a Colnago V3Rs rim, Campagnolo super record mechanical, bora ones. 6.7kg and - most importantly - the frame cost £1700 and the entire bike was £3780
That bike is so cool! I sold my venge vias disc to get a titanium gravel bike, but then bought a caad 10 black inc which is my favorite bike ever!
Looks brilliant and aesthetically rim brakes always look far better than discs.
So refreshing to see Joe!❤
And he looks so happy!😊
Sunday mornings are way to go for Dads, arent they?
All the best to you from Germany!✌️
I’ve got several bikes but my Colnago C40 with Ultegra mechanical groupset and rim brakes is still my absolute favourite running Conti GP5000 25’s
Another cycling media which tries to convince that rim brakes are bad or at least overall worse than discs. What an utter bollocks. Rim brake (or mechanical) groupsets are way cheaper than hydraulic ones. Also, rim brakes are indeed easier and cheaper to maintain than discs (mechanical or hydraulic). This guy argues with this either for the sake of convincing that discs are easier to work on or he simply has two left hands if rim brakes are harder for him to maintain. Yes, discs, even mechanical, are better than rims in terms of stopping power and modulation (especially hydraulics), but they are obviously inferior in aforementioned aspects. Then, the 'clunking' cables - internal routing appeared about ten years ago, fully internal routing maybe five and all of a sudden exposed cables out in the front are bad, just because they are exposed? What a rubbish. And the best one - why no power meter and no garmin ? Geez, as if these gizmos were truly mandatory to have a 'proper' ride, all the more if the rider no longer trains and competes. Also, Im sure if this guy decided to pay an arm and a leg for a super record, he would keep the factory protective wrap as well or handed over for a proper transparent wrap just like many people do to preserve their expensive bikes and keep them pristine for as long as possible. What an ignorance...
The presented rationale behind buying this bike is absolutely valid and reasonable and don't get bought into this subtle narrative that current and expensive industry trends and standards are the only choice and that you should replace your 'old', but perfectly fine bike.
These effing manufacturers are going to (are they TRYING TO? It seems so recently!) price themselves right out of business, eventually!
There are only so many dentists, hedge fund managers/company owners, and wealthy inheritors/heirs to sell their $20K USD rides to in this world.
Thank you from Italy for prounouncing "Campagnolo" correctly.
awesome bike. I like the idea and not following blindly the bike industry marketing
Nice one! Awesome bikes, those. A dose of reality and true enthusiasm! I had one of the last gen TCR SLs built with carbon DT 50mms and DA mechanical - 6.7kg with pedals, cages and mounts in a ML... Personally, I think rim brakes on carbon in the dry are better than road discs. Not so much in the wet!
I agree, maintenance and price should be a factor for non-pros. Tubeless tyres and disc breaks do not qualify.
More hill climb diaries and Joe please ❤
Just bought a TCR advanced 2 at silly cheap price, actually got it to be my winter bike almost feel its too good for that use!! Lovely bike simplicity of rims for winter use makes lot of sense for me
Great to see Joe back on!
Rim brakes perform as well as discs - at least with "pure" road bikes on paved surfaces. They are also lighter, much more aero and are easier to maintain.
Phasing them out was just a way to force (most) people to buy into a new system which requires pretty much new everything (frame, groupset, wheels etc.).
THANK YOU!!
I hope that many of these manufacturers pay with their companies' going under for the above FORCED, completely UN-necessary, obsolescence they pushed on us.
Thanks. Now I want a rim breaks Giant TCR as well.
Im still riding my Not so new Scott 2008 Addict R2 now with 11sp Ultegra mechanical.
And at 57 I can still(tail wind required of course) nab KOMs on hill climbs but it is getting harder than it was .GO THE OLD SCHOOL!!
Totally agree in every aspect. Looks better and ease of maintenance. Unless you’re doing super sketchy downhills then I don’t think discs are required.
I have a 2019 Bianchi Specialisma with Record 11 and Shamal wheels. 61 cm with pedals and bottle cages and 6.9 kilos. I'm 69 and have seen the changes from 1970 to the present. By the way, I worked on Shimano disc brakes in the early 70s, uck!. Use the (Keep it simple stupid) KISS principal!
Same age, and started racing in 1970.
The aero improvements everywhere since that time have made things faster, but much more complicated, and clipless pedal/cleat systems were a true boon to riding.
The rest is mostly fluff, save for lighter bikes for climbing, and being able to fit bikes to the rider way better than in the old days.
One thing that these newbies who swear by mountain bike sized tubeless tires for the road, run at 50 PSI or less, will never get to experience from back then though is the great sound, and responsive feel, of a Clement Criterium Seta tire pumped up to a shocking, and fully dissed/lambasted (by today's given standards) 140 PSI, when getting up out of the saddle to jump to attempt a breakaway, or to start a sprint.
Funny, my old Campy Nuevo Record/Record derailleurs from way back then shifted just as well and reliably as anything on the market today, and the Campy bottom brackets were always straight, true, and reliable (as were the threaded shells they were installed into!) as well.
Cannot say the same for even the $15K+ USD carbon vunderbikes' bottom brackets nowadays. 😉☹
Great video boys and great bike choice Joe! Rim brake bikes win the beauty contest hands down. Ease of maintenance and brake modulation has me question whether rim brakes are the actual upgraded brake of choice over disc. Sorry bike industry, you skipped a cog on this one.
Happy to see Bora Ultra 35 mm back again, best wheels ever had,
Oh man! Joe!!!!! Love the guy from day one. Thx bikeradar!
-Just a dude from estonia.
I'm still riding a custom Ti frame with SRAM Force mechanical rim brake groupset. Built the bike up in 2012 and nothing has gone wrong with it.
Yeah man, as gus always says, 'Gotta look good on the hill'
This bike is beautiful.
100% agree with you - it wouldn't have even been close if Andrew was riding rim brakes.
that bike is better than the 90% of the disc brakes bikes currently in the market
Love your choices, Joe! Rim brakes and mechanical gruppo's forever!
Typically not a fan of GIANT bikes, but this Campagnolo equipped one in particular is exceptionally beautiful. 🖤
Giant are well built, quality it’s more important to me than looks.
Absolutely stunning bike
I like rim brake
I ride a Dogma F12...mechanical Ultegra with rim brakes. I will never change. Ever!!!
I've only owned one rim brake bike, a fair few years ago and I only had it for a few months before it was stolen. The brakes honestly just felt like overkill on them, no one needs breaks that are strong enough to throw you over the handlebars
Brilliant light and simple and cheaper!!
Old school bikes never die! This is a classic!
Got the same frame with dura ace, Farsport wheels. Can’t beat it!
Beautiful bike, looks like a great bike
Rim job! well done :)
Smart buy, smart build
It’s an absolutely stunning bike.
i wouldnt be suprised if the bike industry starts pushing rim brake bikes again due to lack of innovation they will admit that rim was faster and start rolling back the technology
Riding a rimbrake bike myself, I do not believe the industry is going back at all, unfortunately.
riding a disc brake and coming from rim brakes, I don't think so.
Start of the rim brake revival on road bikes, hopefully.
i’m still on my sworks tarmac SL 5 and 2016 tcr advanced SL..no plan to change to disc 😊
My god what a gorgeous bike
Really miss Joe and Jack videos. And love the bike. Both my road bikes are rim brakes
Wish the brakes were direct mount though.
direct mounts doesnt looks like classic bike. the owner is aiming for classic climbing bike.
giant prob dont feel its worth the R&D to update to dm brakes
Does it matter?
Good to see Joe back.
It simply comes down to your preference on brakes. I feel much safer with a modern high end disk esp. at higher speeds. The mechanical rim are probably really good too. This is a super nice black bike with an all around Sleek Physique. "I wouldn't throw it out of the garage" may even be a Keeper if you know what I mean (namean). I bet she rolls real nice. Enjoy!
Joe is the best! More Joe!