Мне седьмой десяток, трудовой стаж более 45 лет. Во истину, я всю жизнь работал, обрабатывая металл последние, без малого двадцать лет, работаю на авиа заводе (моторостроительном) инструментальщиком станочником, изготавливаю полный ассортимент режущего инструмента. То есть опыт работы с металлом, вся жизнь. Но смотрю это видео, и зрелище просто завораживает, происходящее смахивает на колдовство. Это магия, каких нибудь 20 - 30 лет назад, такое и представить нельзя было. Абсурд заключается в том, что в общей массе человеческая раса тупеет, а робото-техника стремительно развивается. Наблюдаю некий пугающий дессонанс. Восстание машин может оказаться не вымыслом а пророчеством.....
Nice to see such machinery in action hard turning is what we strive to be good at. We liked what looked to be the Delrin if not another poly chem product material gear cutting as well, thank you for sharing. Lance & Patrick.
CNC - Computer Numerical Control. Pretty much any machine can be a CNC. CNC router, CNC mill, CNC plasma, CNC grinder, CNC pick and place, CNC water jet, CNC wire cut EDM, CNC LATHE and so on.... Most of them can be 2, 3, 4, 5 axis....
ok guys..i am working with different CNC mills. from mahos of the 90s to Hermle of the 2015 and 5 axis of the newest generation... the speed with that the table is turning is a way too fast imo. why u are manipulating the video when the original speed is quite impressive enough . nowadays the speed isn´t the impressive stuff.. high end tools and stable machines are often standard.. try to craft a prototype with accurancy of less than 0.01 mm with the first try and that speed .. that is impressive
@idraugr5725 yup..titan not as much as inconel ..no animosity..I am just not a big fan of videos that show standard manufacturing processes and do like that is the Supa mega epic roxxor stuff .. that is what I mean by saying "a lot of show"
I was apart of the transformation generation of machinist. Worked in old manual factories then first generation CNC factories. CNC machines that monitored toolwear and inspection process. Watched a large military contractor close factories because unions would not except changes. Seen and predicted vacant lots.
Push them to buy that, they will save a lot of money after some time and products will be better. We also had only 3 axis in furniture company and you are constantly doing some things in more steps, you have to remove it and put it there again other side up or something, it's very annoying, complicated and it makes training of new workers really hard. You have to constantly switching tools because some tools can work only on this side and other tool on another side.....it's impossible to train new people when it's that complicated, everyone will immediately crash it. We would be totaly screwed now without new 5axis machines because in last 5 years, they created so many new products where we really need 5 axis machine. But with 5 axis, there are new problems, like spindle is really big and you have to be really careful to not hit something with that, especially when you are using beams+suckers system which we have for wood working. In last few years, things started getting better, there are no people who could od that work on work market, so company has no other option than to invest to technology, buy better tools etc...to make it faster and better. Some old bosses went finally to pension and finally we can have what we really need. We forced our owner to buy a second 5 axis machine during covid when people were constantly ill and many people ended (many foreign workers returned home), so we really needed second 5 axis machine and I was surprised that our owner just bought that and it was not a big problem. We have a new manager in last years and he is not that stupid as our older bosses, he knows that we just need it, so who cares that it cost 200 000 eur, we just need it. The point of CNC is that you program that, put material there and it will make whole product in one step, when you have to manualy change tools and turn product manualy several times, it lacks the point of CNC machine and your bosses and owner should understand it. You can do it whole manualy then and it can be easeier than do it on CNC like that.
As a machinist this is an art. Having a perfect cycle time with every rapid in the right spot just machine gunning chips. It's a beautiful thing(still makes my stomach turn seeing that shit run dry, I understand it's for the vid though)
I was in CNC machining for more than 30 years. Yes its very cool to see this. Most people don't realize this took weeks or months of engineering work to perfect that machining sequence. Of course in the real world, its never that fast, or you would spend more money on cutting tools than the value of the parts. But can come close to this.
Unfortunately, on new CNC machines it's more and more hard to program that because you have no actual control over that, you have to draw it in some stupid cad-like software and then click and add some milling with very limited possibilities. My oldschool G code programs on older machine are perfectly optimized, but on new machine, it's just doing something and very often it would be to complicated to change it. But on other hand, new machine can at least change tools while riding in X axis, so at least something, that can make a difference, I would love to have this feature on older machine, but maintenenace person said that it would be to complicated to add such feature and they are not able to do that, producer of that machine would have to completely reprogram that and they won't do that for machine which is 8 years old.
@@paulgallagher2937 Weeks or months? Some my programs took literally years to make it finally perfect. 😀 Sometimes you are doing it somehow and 1 year later you have genius idea and you are surprised why you didn't find out that earlier. 😀 I work only with wood, most of programs are not really complicated, but when you work with metal and to make one part can take even hours, I can't imagine optimazing it, it really has to take months because you need to see that program many many times to see all things which need some improvement during that program. With wood there is another problem, you have to respect wood fibers and if you do some milling in wrong order, product will look really bad. Sometimes it's expected that some milling will pinch out peace of wood and that's why you do it first and then you format final size of that product or something. People think it's simple to program some stupid kitchen table plate, but it's more complicated than they realize and they really don't pay us enough for such responsibility.
Hell yeah. Makino is awesome. I worked at a place that was able to run for 5 days straight, by itself, 24hrs/d, from a pallet stacker that fed two machines. Amazing.
Это видео конечно чисто для демонстрации станка. Наяву же он будет раза в 2 как минимум медленнее. Во первых на таких скоростях убьешь станок быстро, ресурс инструмента конечно же уменьшится. ну и конечно же взяли бы не дюраль, а сталь типа х12мф и т.д., которую у нас в основном и обрабатывают и показали скорость обработки. Я сам на ЧПУ уже лет 20 и по опыту скажу что это чисто паказуха.
overall an amazing machine im espescially impressed by how well it blends the bores with just an end mill. The precision and speed is just insane indefinately.
I enjoy watching woodworking tools do their cutting but this just takes it to another level. CNC machines are pure sex to a machinist, or anyone for that matter. My father was a foreman in a tool company back in the 70's called Elliot in Jeanette PA. He told me stories back then that blew my mind and I can only imagine the possibilities today. His company worked with back then state of the art equipment and for fun they used to duel with a Japanese company. They would send items back and forth just to out do each other for the sport of it. Mind you this was back 40+ years ago. My Father's company sent their rival a metal tube no wider than a human hair. I can't imagine a need for such a thing but they wanted to prove it could be done. Weeks later the Japanese machine company sent the same tube back.......tapped. Again, this was 4 decades ago. Today? Today they could probably line that same tube with micro fiber optics for pennies a mile.
@@innominatum9906 Lol well it was my Father's story, NOT mine. I think he meant it was drilled and tapped not on its' length but its' side. Either way it was an awesome display for the time.
@@PGspeed88 Well today they have micro machines making micro machines. Nano technology is real.I'm sure you've heard an average calculator today has more computing power than what got the Apollo missions to the moon. Those kind of things I enjoy learning about.
I also work on woodworking CNCs and I can't imagine to program these metal parts, It's totaly enough for me to program our stuff, I would probably jump under train if they wanted from me to program some airplane engine or something. 😀
It looks so fast for me. I have been working a machinist for 34yrs . Most all the time I run Matsuura ,Hass, and Mori seiki with fanuk control, so I have more time to check the parts 100% . if I scrapped 2 or 3 a month they might be unhappy or ....... the job I do call out .ooo1-.0005 tolerances Specially boring holes.
These speeds listed are not all that great nowadays, when you look at the latest high-speed machines that run at 30K rpm and feed rates around 1000 IPM.
There are CNC machines but they're not super fast CNC machine. 1 depending on the material you're cutting. 2 material and the tools get too hot. 3 there's no coolant . Plus I can hear the high-speed voices in the background . Trust me I know I work in a company that uses CNC lathe and Mills.
You don't or you would know you are talking out your ass. None of this is sped up, its quite realistic and seen in shops everywhere day to day. I've not been in a shop in the last 15 years that uses coolant while milling. Coolant causes fracturing of inserts from the extreme changes in temperatures from cutting to not cutting. Almost everywhere uses air. I can mill on a press table for 15 hours and its still not hot.
Wow who ever is controlling this machine with such accuracy and precision must be really experienced. They could have honestly told me a computer was doing this and I would have believed them, this person has some real talent.
The parts which machines are done on a computer... They use MasterCAM, its a program used machine these parts which tells the machine where to go and what specifications the parts need for example tolerances, depth of cut, feedrate etc.
there will always be people who have to programm these things, and that takes quite some time. if you need a simple part, like a customized screw its still the easier way to tell a machinist
Мне седьмой десяток, трудовой стаж более 45 лет. Во истину, я всю жизнь работал, обрабатывая металл последние, без малого двадцать лет, работаю на авиа заводе (моторостроительном) инструментальщиком станочником, изготавливаю полный ассортимент режущего инструмента. То есть опыт работы с металлом, вся жизнь. Но смотрю это видео, и зрелище просто завораживает, происходящее смахивает на колдовство. Это магия, каких нибудь 20 - 30 лет назад, такое и представить нельзя было. Абсурд заключается в том, что в общей массе человеческая раса тупеет, а робото-техника стремительно развивается. Наблюдаю некий пугающий дессонанс. Восстание машин может оказаться не вымыслом а пророчеством.....
It's still amazes me how strong end mills are!! Just amazing!
this is aluminum dont get amazed LOL
@@georgepapadimitriou4965 still pretty fast machining
@@mennomeilink4660 still pretty fake video... or do they all talk that fast over there
Not a "Mill" it's a CNC Machine
@@trxtech3010 the CNC machine is nothing if the tool is junk. The strength of end mills amazes me...
That conveyor belt system was like watching a race where everyone's a winner. Absolutely fascinating and oddly soothing.
Amazing to watch, just wondering how quickly we have developed this technology, we've progressed so far in so little time
А Где Мы со своими станками по металлообработке??? В Далёком прошлом...🗿🛐💯
So they speed up video playback and everybody creams their jeans.
I would love to know more about the complete engine that the block being made in the first section is for!
First section is made by casting process bro
It's solely a demo part. See here.:
ua-cam.com/video/cx5AYiyPFhI/v-deo.html
Wolfram Strempfer - that’s a bummer. There’s certainly an opportunity missed.
Nice to see such machinery in action hard turning is what we strive to be good at. We liked what looked to be the Delrin if not another poly chem product material gear cutting as well, thank you for sharing. Lance & Patrick.
9:21 Grundlagen des konventionelles drehen :DDD
50 seconds was it for me. It's cutting aluminum which for machining is one step above butter.
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9:21 I am pretty shure that is NOT a CNC machine...
Henrik Paulsen no thats a lathe...
@@mrono1910 I shoul know. I apprenticed for 3 years as a fitter, a great deal of that time was spent at a lathe similar to the one in the video. :P
That's a top of the line 5 axis CNC machine
CNC - Computer Numerical Control. Pretty much any machine can be a CNC.
CNC router, CNC mill, CNC plasma, CNC grinder, CNC pick and place, CNC water jet, CNC wire cut EDM, CNC LATHE and so on.... Most of them can be 2, 3, 4, 5 axis....
@@suicideris The machine in the video however, has no computerized controls whatsoever.
ok guys..i am working with different CNC mills. from mahos of the 90s to Hermle of the 2015 and 5 axis of the newest generation... the speed with that the table is turning is a way too fast imo. why u are manipulating the video when the original speed is quite impressive enough . nowadays the speed isn´t the impressive stuff.. high end tools and stable machines are often standard.. try to craft a prototype with accurancy of less than 0.01 mm with the first try and that speed .. that is impressive
Watch Titans of CNC Videos
@@MineProful i know those videos..nice to watch but a lot of show as well
A lot of animosity towards those guys is seems. Have you machined titanium and inconel?
@idraugr5725 yup..titan not as much as inconel ..no animosity..I am just not a big fan of videos that show standard manufacturing processes and do like that is the Supa mega epic roxxor stuff .. that is what I mean by saying "a lot of show"
@Daniel Lange completely agree about Titans of CNC
Makes me lol when they bring out their fancy tork wrenches for a set screw lol
It's already here - machines create machines!!!!! 😀
11:51 - lathe combined with another 5+ axis CNC center, that's totaly sick
I've machined that fast. Its the cutting tools that is making the difference
how much kW those cnc eat up ?
The machines also carved out the sound to make the soundtracks you heard! That is one step ahead..
I was apart of the transformation generation of machinist. Worked in old manual factories then first generation CNC factories. CNC machines that monitored toolwear and inspection process. Watched a large military contractor close factories because unions would not except changes. Seen and predicted vacant lots.
These machines are badass, at work we have only 3 axis CNCs. I wish the company bought one large 5 axis CNC. It would save us so much time.
Push them to buy that, they will save a lot of money after some time and products will be better.
We also had only 3 axis in furniture company and you are constantly doing some things in more steps, you have to remove it and put it there again other side up or something, it's very annoying, complicated and it makes training of new workers really hard. You have to constantly switching tools because some tools can work only on this side and other tool on another side.....it's impossible to train new people when it's that complicated, everyone will immediately crash it.
We would be totaly screwed now without new 5axis machines because in last 5 years, they created so many new products where we really need 5 axis machine.
But with 5 axis, there are new problems, like spindle is really big and you have to be really careful to not hit something with that, especially when you are using beams+suckers system which we have for wood working.
In last few years, things started getting better, there are no people who could od that work on work market, so company has no other option than to invest to technology, buy better tools etc...to make it faster and better. Some old bosses went finally to pension and finally we can have what we really need. We forced our owner to buy a second 5 axis machine during covid when people were constantly ill and many people ended (many foreign workers returned home), so we really needed second 5 axis machine and I was surprised that our owner just bought that and it was not a big problem. We have a new manager in last years and he is not that stupid as our older bosses, he knows that we just need it, so who cares that it cost 200 000 eur, we just need it. The point of CNC is that you program that, put material there and it will make whole product in one step, when you have to manualy change tools and turn product manualy several times, it lacks the point of CNC machine and your bosses and owner should understand it. You can do it whole manualy then and it can be easeier than do it on CNC like that.
As a machinist this is an art. Having a perfect cycle time with every rapid in the right spot just machine gunning chips. It's a beautiful thing(still makes my stomach turn seeing that shit run dry, I understand it's for the vid though)
I was in CNC machining for more than 30 years. Yes its very cool to see this. Most people don't realize this took weeks or months of engineering work to perfect that machining sequence. Of course in the real world, its never that fast, or you would spend more money on cutting tools than the value of the parts. But can come close to this.
Unfortunately, on new CNC machines it's more and more hard to program that because you have no actual control over that, you have to draw it in some stupid cad-like software and then click and add some milling with very limited possibilities. My oldschool G code programs on older machine are perfectly optimized, but on new machine, it's just doing something and very often it would be to complicated to change it. But on other hand, new machine can at least change tools while riding in X axis, so at least something, that can make a difference, I would love to have this feature on older machine, but maintenenace person said that it would be to complicated to add such feature and they are not able to do that, producer of that machine would have to completely reprogram that and they won't do that for machine which is 8 years old.
@@paulgallagher2937 Weeks or months? Some my programs took literally years to make it finally perfect. 😀 Sometimes you are doing it somehow and 1 year later you have genius idea and you are surprised why you didn't find out that earlier. 😀 I work only with wood, most of programs are not really complicated, but when you work with metal and to make one part can take even hours, I can't imagine optimazing it, it really has to take months because you need to see that program many many times to see all things which need some improvement during that program. With wood there is another problem, you have to respect wood fibers and if you do some milling in wrong order, product will look really bad. Sometimes it's expected that some milling will pinch out peace of wood and that's why you do it first and then you format final size of that product or something. People think it's simple to program some stupid kitchen table plate, but it's more complicated than they realize and they really don't pay us enough for such responsibility.
Simply beautiful. Poetry in motion.
削るの、楽しそう。でも、鋳物でできないの？
Should have included the Makino mag ex 3. That thing can crank out 37,000 rpm and 700 ipm.
Hell yeah. Makino is awesome. I worked at a place that was able to run for 5 days straight, by itself, 24hrs/d, from a pallet stacker that fed two machines. Amazing.
@@xz3693 i cant walk away from my machine for 10 mins without shit breaking
Это видео конечно чисто для демонстрации станка. Наяву же он будет раза в 2 как минимум медленнее. Во первых на таких скоростях убьешь станок быстро, ресурс инструмента конечно же уменьшится. ну и конечно же взяли бы не дюраль, а сталь типа х12мф и т.д., которую у нас в основном и обрабатывают и показали скорость обработки. Я сам на ЧПУ уже лет 20 и по опыту скажу что это чисто паказуха.
Здесь станок лохматого года выпуска только для сравнения вставили. Но смысла этой вставки я не понял.
Какой же пиздатый люминь или дюраль для таких демонстраций...
It make steel look like butter
with reflection
Впечатление такое что это чисто демонстрационные образцы -- для рекламы возможностей оборудования.
That first 5 axis bed is a work of art instant repeatable precision wow
overall an amazing machine im espescially impressed by how well it blends the bores with just an end mill. The precision and speed is just insane indefinately.
"a work of art instant repeatable precision " a what now
I enjoy watching woodworking tools do their cutting but this just takes it to another level. CNC machines are pure sex to a machinist, or anyone for that matter. My father was a foreman in a tool company back in the 70's called Elliot in Jeanette PA. He told me stories back then that blew my mind and I can only imagine the possibilities today. His company worked with back then state of the art equipment and for fun they used to duel with a Japanese company. They would send items back and forth just to out do each other for the sport of it. Mind you this was back 40+ years ago. My Father's company sent their rival a metal tube no wider than a human hair. I can't imagine a need for such a thing but they wanted to prove it could be done. Weeks later the Japanese machine company sent the same tube back.......tapped. Again, this was 4 decades ago. Today? Today they could probably line that same tube with micro fiber optics for pennies a mile.
A threaded 0.03mm diameter tube? I'm sure your father and his friends made some neat tools and shit, but that one is stretching it a bit far ;)
@@innominatum9906 Lol well it was my Father's story, NOT mine. I think he meant it was drilled and tapped not on its' length but its' side. Either way it was an awesome display for the time.
@@PGspeed88 Well today they have micro machines making micro machines. Nano technology is real.I'm sure you've heard an average calculator today has more computing power than what got the Apollo missions to the moon. Those kind of things I enjoy learning about.
I also work on woodworking CNCs and I can't imagine to program these metal parts, It's totaly enough for me to program our stuff, I would probably jump under train if they wanted from me to program some airplane engine or something. 😀
its aluminum..very easy and fast to machine. 5 axis machining is neat to watch though
This is beyond fast in my opinion.
Dudes voice was all speeded up. Thought the CNC machines were really this fast
Pretty amazing stuff, though the capital (and consumables) cost places this far beyond "hobbyist level" :-D
Yeah, most machines at my workplace range from 500k - 2mil.
look at that thing devour metal, beautiful.
It had to be a genius that invented and made this machine.
I would have liked to seen the beginning of that program
lol I call b.s. The ones with voices in them make it obvious some if not all of these are videos played at higher speed
I am wondering where is the heat going? Material expands from heat, how can this be accurate?
That first machine was hauling ass. Would really like to know what cutters and machine that was. It gave beautiful finishes!
It's cutting aluminum which for machining is one step above butter.
metal? feed rate? spindle speed? xD
Definitely aluminum, feed rate ? Yes, spindle speed ? Yes .
厲害的是 刀具 刀具不夠硬 鋒利 一加工 就斷了
9:40 hope the machining is better than than masonry work behind.
MagnetOnlyMotors haha what they do lay the bricks the wrong way?
So SATISFYING!!! I LOVE IT!
12:50 must have made from pig iron!
Nice demo.
Am i the only person who thinks these machines waste a TON of material? i mean look at all that wasted metal.
i think someone used G00 instead of G01 :D
ya I think so too 🤔
:D
I would put a Makino ahead as far as EVERYTHING goes :-)
Some of these machines run finishing passes faster than my shops roughing. Lol
Some of the video speed is sped up.
I think you meant that the other way around.
@@drewjohnson4794 Nope, we don't exactly push the envelope when it comes to speed.
I enjoyed. that was perfect
Loving Hermle😍
This is awesome! Thanks for uploading and sharing. 10:38 multi timed! PRICELESS -- Plus at 12:38! Awe Amazing! (just needed a tail - just saying) ---
40х пусть попробуют на таких режимах резать, станок развалится)) А то алюминиевый пластилин показывают.
It's the V4 Engine from ?
The cut groves reminder me of the ancient city carved out of the bedrock .
It looks so fast for me. I have been working a machinist for 34yrs . Most all the time I run Matsuura ,Hass, and Mori seiki with fanuk control, so I have more time to check the parts 100% . if I scrapped 2 or 3 a month they might be unhappy or ....... the job I do call out .ooo1-.0005 tolerances Specially boring holes.
kham vongxay damm 34yrs? And I just barely getting started on training next week by Tuesday
These speeds listed are not all that great nowadays, when you look at the latest high-speed machines that run at 30K rpm and feed rates around 1000 IPM.
german language in a nutshell: "Flansch Schruppen"
God, how much metal goes nowhere .. but I have to admit that it's beautiful
you know that metal is being caught and sold to a resmelter to make something else right?
I'm sure it all gets thrown away genius
yea, thats not a lathe, its a 5axis mill running a feedmill... I was running a machine like that 10 years ago in a mold shop....
It says lathe. Pretty sure it’s a 5 axis vmc
Das in 1080p wäre perfekt
Fast forward ... you can hear it at 6:35
How much rpm effect the force that’s applied to the cutting tool?
Incredible machines
Viper6 📳♒️❌
There are CNC machines but they're not super fast CNC machine. 1 depending on the material you're cutting. 2 material and the tools get too hot. 3 there's no coolant . Plus I can hear the high-speed voices in the background . Trust me I know I work in a company that uses CNC lathe and Mills.
You don't or you would know you are talking out your ass. None of this is sped up, its quite realistic and seen in shops everywhere day to day. I've not been in a shop in the last 15 years that uses coolant while milling. Coolant causes fracturing of inserts from the extreme changes in temperatures from cutting to not cutting. Almost everywhere uses air. I can mill on a press table for 15 hours and its still not hot.
Sure that first one is amulinium no?
Incredible and quick machines!
Wow who ever is controlling this machine with such accuracy and precision must be really experienced. They could have honestly told me a computer was doing this and I would have believed them, this person has some real talent.
I think he is using an Xbox One controller, wired to a steam engine drive, much faster than just trying to do it by hand.
The parts which machines are done on a computer... They use MasterCAM, its a program used machine these parts which tells the machine where to go and what specifications the parts need for example tolerances, depth of cut, feedrate etc.
Chris Chang r/woosh
amzing !! I can't stop seeing
wait i wanted to see the M36 threading
How many thou are you taking off per pass? That looks like a block of aluminum, so I'll guess 35 thou per pass? Maybe more
But this is Aluminium, make Steel !!!
These things make People obsolete !
there will always be people who have to programm these things, and that takes quite some time.
if you need a simple part, like a customized screw its still the easier way to tell a machinist
That first machine cost me $267000. So it would have to be good.
There are machines above 1 million tho
When you mill chees, it's easy. Let's try some hardox.
В начале какая скорасть обработки?
Look at that thing go!
How much for the metal pig? I want one.
Wow cutting steel like hot cake so smoothly
the first part, where that 5 axis CNC milling machine is used, the material is an aluminium alloy, not steel :)
@@radubuta5004 but it can cut steel also I think
@@AK-10001 it depends on the steel. and most important, it depends whether it's liquid cooled or not.
@@AK-10001 sure can but at half the speed
How many material wasted
i want to know where the machin made it used
Ist das 5 axen Maschine?
High feedrate& rpm
хрушку круто сделали
14:22 amazing!
good
Nice cnc machines
I dont even work on these machine why am i here , and why are they so satifiying
What machine is using the minimaster plus at the 7:27 mark?
for what machine, please tell me
This for an engine?
Now imagine when AI is integrated into this machines...
nothing would cahnage doe
Where are these machines sold? link please?
Is it metal Na??
Obviously sped up in places. Its just ally and mild steel. Free cutting material. Try running at that speed on inconell.
Ever thought that mild steel is a little more practical than inconel? Moron
@@JackJanovec completely dependent on the circumstances.
Inconel 625 or 750?
Very clearly has been sped up in places
Wow its almost like people dont want to watch hours of footagr
Awesome tool
Just German things 😂
Usinar alumínio até minha vó faz kkkkkkkkk
I wish I could create my own desktop chassis and custom motherboard and water blocks and radiators etc.. would be the ultimate incentive
Hypnotising
11:30 why not just by a tow ball?