A good example of why people should avoid companies like LRG. I've seen tons of bad stories lately about these limited run physical game companies to the point where I think it's a big grift.
I have no issue with limited releases. The market is there. But companies need to give the market what they promise for the price. Not some Verbatim burns
I agree and I have. If I can buy the physical through a retailer I'm fine with getting physicals like Balatro, but I will not support these FOMO companies. I'll just stick with digital for those.
This is shameful on the part of LRG, here in Brazil we have groups that make pressed CDs for various platforms at affordable prices, a company like LRG putting CD-Rs in a collector's edition tarnishes their entire reputation.
@@VideoGameEsotericaThe late 90's and early 2000's counterfeit cd+dvd black market scene was incredibly dope though and especially during the ps1 gen here in Britain where loads of US/Japanese titles were never released on pal.
Limited Run Games really has gone from a nice option for getting games that would never have a physical release to a racket that makes it a pain to even obtain mass market games that always would have gotten a physical edition in the past (Konami collections, I'm looking at you). And then they have the nerve to do something like this. They clearly hold their customers in contempt.
I mean, I could understand if it was a small homebrewer that made their own packages like that and used their own burner. But this is a bigger company that should be able to do way better! What scumbags.
Limited Run Games didn't even figure out a way to press the CDs themselves. They simply went to World of Games, which most recently released BioFury on 3DO on pressed CDs, to do it for them. I mean, good on World of Games for stepping up to the plate, & LRG does include WoG's logo all over the place on the D packaging & discs, and I hope LRG paid them well for doing the right thing... despite never acknowledging WoG's involvement at all at any point publicly, only via the e-mails sent to people who ordered the D Collector's Edition. World of Games also pressed the Plumber's Don't Wear Ties 3DO re-release, too.
@@thehandofzarquon a monthly cost to Spotify premium costs as much as ONE CD back in the day and you get access to millions of songs and yet people will still complain about the cost or choose piracy. We’re all greedy in one way or another.
They‘re just unchanged replicas of the original release, aren’t they? Dumps of these have been out for a long time. I don’t think they took the time to do a translation.
@@VideoGameEsoterica Oh wow really? No bonus content or anything? That's crazy. I remember being disappointed with the Steam release Nightdive did.. Which was the original DOS version just put through DosBox. No controller support and awful scanlines. The PS1 version in Duckstation was soo much better. I guess the PC "re-release" they did along with this 3DO version would be exactly the same. Highly disappointing.
I've never heard a modern vinyl pressing that can touch the audio quality of a trashed 80s pressing. New Vinyl is straight up scam almost all of the time and I'm glad I cottoned on before making more stupid purchases of music products made for display and not play.
Not mentioned here is that writable optical media has a shelf life. The substrate that's used to hold the data is not stable and will break down over time. CD-Rs are one of the more stable of all of the varieties of recordable optical media, but even then the CD-Rs that are manufactured today are _not_ up to the same quality standards that they were back when writable CDs were mainstream. In some ways it's a minor miracle that CD-Rs are still manufactured at all. While it's possible that a CD-R may be perfectly readable for decades, it's also quite possible that it will cease to be readable after a few years, especially if the storage conditions aren't optimal. Heat and humidity will speed up the decay of the substrate. So good luck if you live in Florida or anywhere else along the Gulf Coast and you can't keep your collection room at 70-75 degrees Fahrenheit and below 50% humidity at all times.
Great Follow-up vid! Following this story since I saw the original one you made a few months back and was disgusted to learn that they were doing this! Thanks for shining a light on these lowlifes! Looking forward to more of your awesome content. Stay blessed.
Another thing on top of poor reflectivity layers, as I've gotten into PSX development with my DTL-H1001, turns out CD-R's used by these older consoles will not have been 700MB, or maybe even 650MB, but rather 620MB 71 minute discs. Many older systems like the PSX, and perhaps the Sega CD and 3DO as well, have hard coded seek tables. You can imagine the overshoot happening with discs larger than anticipated for the drive when in data mode (this generally won't affect CDDA mode), and backtracking the drive needs to do to find the sector it was trying to look for. The fact LRG did this means they have a crucial misunderstanding on how the CD drive in these systems work, and that's horrible for the price they charged. Let alone when people are paying for a game and they didn't disclose it was a CD-R (until later) is outright criminal due to bait and switch laws.
This has happened to me with Amazon, as well. I once bought a music CD from them, and when I got it in my home, I just noticed that it was, actually, a CD-R with the case and the label of an original one. And the price wasn't exactly a bargain either.
Sir! Your video opening the new discs absolutely had at least one cut in it. You clearly used a knife to open the plastic wrap! I declare shinanagins!!
I hate that this niche hobby is being invaded by scumbags. I went to a local community retro market the other day and more than half the guys there had no interest in games, they had just decided it could make them money. It was like trading coal. They knew their stuff when it came to rarity and value but they weren't gamers. Some of them were such sleazebags too, treating their kids like dirt and unpaid employees. What makes it worse is these people think they're really clever but they're chasing razor thin margins. Seems like a waste of time if you have no love for the scene. But that's the reality, they're not smart enough to make the big bucks. Lowlife grifters.
They're so sure their customers are gonna buy the game and put it on a shelf forever (with the shrink wrap intact, to keep maximum resell value) that next time they might fill the box with sand.
If they want to save even more money, have an empty box with only a downloadable code so people can download the manual and the iso with an emulator. btw I don't get the idea of buying a toy and not playing with it and keeping it shrink wrapped. Is it treated like a good that'll resell later for more?
3DO was my favorite system. I even have a Trip Hawkins autograph to go with my console. Thanks for keeping the console alive with your positivity of it.
I’ll always advocate for 3DO. It’s not perfect but it certainly isn’t bad as the “haha 3DO sucks” internet crowd leads people to believe. Plenty to love about it
When I had to wait two years and got a broken vinyl with no answer back and just a quiet refund, I swore to never buy from these type of companies no matter what.
Hey. I have a question not related to the CD R thing. The Killing Time gou showed. One disc is red and one is black. Is there a difference? Please excuse my ignorance on the matter.
No worries and zero ignorance. It’s a deep cut factoid. The black disc was a mail in bug fixed version of the initial red disc release. Not many people mailed their discs in for replacement so the black disc is pretty rare these days
Good thing I got my refund already, I wasn't willing to give this company a second chance after seeing those CD-R's pop out of that case. Like I said before, I will NEVER buy another Limited Run game for a retro console ever again. They have some serious cajones if they trully believed that nobody would notice this stunt or not try to play these discs at all. The word "insulting" comes to mind in this situation, something many of todays game companies seem to be concerningly ok with despite the massive dips in sales and stock value it creates. **Edited to remove some false info on my end**
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yup, and it makes sense for you as a content creator to wait for the replacement. For the regular average joe though, its better to give them the middle finger lol.
I've only ever bought one game from Limited Run and I regret ever giving them my money. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention and continuously making noise about it.
Absolutely do not use CD-R in an old laser drive like a 3DO, that were made well before optical drives were expected to play CD-Rs, as CD-Rs just weren't a big thing yet. The entire laser head assembly will be moving at higher rates. It will shorten it's life, by how much is hard to say, but it will.
Burning cd-rs is okay at home on your own computer I do it man most of my Saturn stuff is burned but you can’t slap that in a fancy box and sell it to someone full price, come on dude
Thing that gets me though, no matter if this was the most common of knowledge, give it a while and this edition of the game will still be a valuable and many people will just find it a norm, i mean we are already in a state of digital only media, that the only way to have physical versions will be "nicely printed" ones, and i would take that vs not having it at all at least. its just sad that when it comes to physical games, most of it is just another investment these days.
Everything you said on this video was on Point, crazy thing about it most people will never open them. I have tons of LR games never opened. I could only imagine the half ass shit that went into making them
@@VideoGameEsoterica only money matters dude. People no longer care about quality. They find a sucker and milk them until they bleed then the rich business people find a new sucker to leech. This system we live in breeds predatory business practices.
This is why I and countless others have gone strictly emulation only. Don't waste your money on overpriced "limited editions" or reissues. It's become just another gimmick designed to bleed you of your hard earned cash.
Was already weary of LRG , this fiasco made my mind up on never supporting them in the future. Recently they announced the release of Wizardry and I'm going out of my way to import it from Japan or Europe.
I hate to say it, but there's a very specific reason the retro gaming community are targeted by scams like this so often, and it's because they don't know how to say no. Every single little thing that comes down the pike, out come the wallets, willing to pay whatever price is asked, for whatever item. When scammers see that, they think "Ah, an easy target." Hence the numerous scams and overpriced garbage this community is getting flooded with. If you want my advice, stop buying everything and anything.
Not only is that all a bunch of lies, CD-Rs have this habit of dying after some amount of time. Not uniformly, but pretty randomly. Pretty ridiculous for them to try this.
If the company had any decency they would issue a public apology and make sure that the responsible person resigns. Else there is no reason to give them any more business whatsoever.
I wish 3DO was working on Mister. I was a gamer in that era, but never had one. Only played it in a club, Mad Dog McCree or the police thing... Crime Patrol 2: Drug Wars I think it was. Oh. We thought it was insane. D gave the same chills back in the day, or more. Did you ever play Psychic Detective? This game is all sorts of weird.
Wow, thanks for the video do we know what games / collectors editions have CD-R’s? I have a few collectors editions. The only reason I buy these reprints is because they are new pressed discs and I like to support companies that do that. I’ve been using project retro games recently nice pressed discs.
@@VideoGameEsoterica I best open them up and have a look shame really as most games I’ve bought I already have and just wanted a back up, and to support these companies👍🏻😎🍺.
One would have to assume that collectors and gamers who collect and play vintage games would know the difference between types of optical media. We’re all old enough to have cd burners in our lives at one point or another.
Preordered the Rocket Knight Adventures Ultra Edition on PS5 and Tomba, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt on how both arrive. At least Rocket Knight is coming a few days early.
CD-Rs last shorter compared to a regular CD, so much for "preservation" once it goes to disc rot after 16 years. CD-Rs are good for independent artists but for a successful business?
Sad...My latest aaa game was Tsushima,since,only 2D switch,steam,ps4 reboots or indies with few real cd. The physical option should be on demand available...'we are not happy..we own nothing' it's not my agenda.
Flat out admitting they don't expect people to actually play their releases really says everything there is to be said about LRG. Will happily continue not giving them my money going forward. Good job on not giving up on reporting the issue, because they were clearly banking on getting away with it.
Feels like the difference between vinyl injection and FDM printer. Would Pop! succeed if they decided to replace vinly injection molds with FDM printer?
i love how every time i hear about LRG, I find new and exciting ways that they completely suck ass and reasons to despise them, and furthers why I only ever give them cash if there's literally no other way to get a game physically by importing it, tbh. They were already incredibly dodgy for basically predicating their entire busy on the idea of FOMO for collectors on niche consoles like the Vita (and had some real awful customer service even back then), but then they started more or less actively screwing over the buyers by retroactively removing content in preordered releases (and editing the page to act like it was never there; I remember a lot of Saturn diehards were pissed over how they promised Panzer Dragoon Remake to come with a manual but it didn't, and they pulled that) and then started taking a frankly unacceptable amount of time to produce and ship most of their the big-box releases. Completely a company catering not to people actually interested in games as a valid artistic medium or preservation efforts, but catering to the worst kind of "shelf collectors"; people that just want to hoard an item rather than actually /enjoy/ the game itself at any point. Even in this world of short-print reissues and physicals, they manage to be by far the worst and most unethical. You don't do this unless you're /that/ cynical. Nor do you call yourself "Limited Run Games" and manage a store location presence that happens to have lots of old titles you just happened to find in storage lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica Nothing with that particular collection it was just after I reserved it I ended up learning about much of their scummy business practices
I knew the excuses were bullshit because pressed game piracy was actually a thing in the Asian market for 3DO back in the 90s. I used to have a large amount of bootlegs for 3DO that were pressed disc that came from Hong Kong and Korea that I got a hold of in the early 2000s. And I mean, not just more popular titles like Sailor Moon, Super SF 2 Turbo, or Way of the Warrior, but average titles like Flying Nightmares and Scramble Cobra also. No name disc manufactures out of Asia were pressing the stuff. If they could do it, no reason why it couldn't be done now by a legit facility still capable of doing glass masters/stampers etc.
Glad they finally did the right thing, I used to be a big fan of LRG and what they do. As a physical collector it was always a good way to get a good game in a nice physical set that may otherwise be unobtainable. But this story along with some other I have heard lately leaves me with a bad taste. I never minded the long production waits or slow updates but I can not stand this kind of BS.
*Tisk-Tisk-Tisk*. They got caught and hope the learn their lesson that the community doesn't accepted this take of underhanded tactics of business VGE.
I think it was before this whole scandal that I saw the Tomba! remaster trailer and was really excited initially but I had already heard horrible things about LRG that I knew that wasn't going to support them and buy that game. It really is a shame because it's such a great series but on principle I wont support unethical and exploitative companies like them
I only bought once from them, when they did a physical release of the Shin Chan game on Switch. Long wait times, then it got lost in the mail and they had to send a replacement… overall a subpar experience. I hope the sequel gets a proper physical release, so I don‘t have to buy from them again. Oh, and the plastic of that game case looks absolutely horrible! I can feel the cheapness through my screen.
I was wondering why I never received my original pre order of the game but it came this week, I guess they decided to hold mine back until they got the pressed discs in stock as I’m in the UK, strangely they didn’t put the pressed version in the box, they just sent me the original burned version in the big box along with the pressed dual cased one separately, you’re right though, that has to be the most pathetically flimsy excuse for a dual cd case ever created😆
Limited Run was sold to the comically mismanaged Embracer Group in 2022. That's all you need to know about their recent dip in quality. They are just a cog in an infinite growth nightmare corpo now. Anything to cut costs and increase profits because line must go up for the corporate masters. Given Embracers track record in the last few years with killing off it's acquisitions, Limited Run is probably a dead company walking. I personally wouldn't give them money at this point because it's not going to get better, it's just going to continue like this until Embracer closes their doors like they've done with 44 other studios in the last 2 years.
I just wish people would stop and say “could I sell my company and cash in? Sure. Do I make enough now to be comfortable and happy? Yes. So I’m keeping control”
LOL, imagine selling something and expecting people not to use it. You have to expect at least one person actually wants to open the game. The look of a burned CD-R discs is unmistakable. I dislike these FOMO publishers. Unfortunately, Limited Run Games releases a lot of Game Boy cartridges. It didn’t feel good paying over $70 for Shantae Advance, but here we are. 🤷♀️
Gamers really suffer from FOMO a bit too much. It's wild how crazy some of them will spend hundreds or thousands over msrp just to have a thing. They abuse it with digital items as well, and it's a "high" that lasts for a few minutes. LRG also loves exploiting FOMO and nostalgia to make sales that they won't ship for sometimes over a year. It's sad.
Nothing kills “excitement” like actually getting the thing you want. Even if it’s cheap. I hunt for years for rare arcade boards. I find one? Costs me $200? Play it then the feeling is gone. I love the chase
There’s been plenty of Limited Run games that I’ve wanted but I just won’t go there. Oh, I tell a lie, I think I’ve bought one of their releases second hand. So they never actually got my money lol
More like "Limited Scam Games" am I right? 😏 Jokes aside I always found their practices shady but this was more than a disappointment and showed how much those people care about the costumers and games itself vs just money.
This, and several other scummy reasons, is why I refuse to give Limited Run any of my money.
Nobody should any more
@@VideoGameEsoterica wait, is this after your expose on the original reveal of the CDrs last time?
Yep. The news just came out that they planned CD-R all along to save money
A good example of why people should avoid companies like LRG. I've seen tons of bad stories lately about these limited run physical game companies to the point where I think it's a big grift.
It’s starting to become a grift and that’s sad
Total trash company. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY!
They saved a few dollars to buy thousands worth of bad will with their customers
This artificial scarcity FOMO-inducing business model rubs me the wrong way. I'd rather go all digital than support this kind of scummy practices.
I have no issue with limited releases. The market is there. But companies need to give the market what they promise for the price. Not some Verbatim burns
I agree and I have. If I can buy the physical through a retailer I'm fine with getting physicals like Balatro, but I will not support these FOMO companies. I'll just stick with digital for those.
This is shameful on the part of LRG, here in Brazil we have groups that make pressed CDs for various platforms at affordable prices, a company like LRG putting CD-Rs in a collector's edition tarnishes their entire reputation.
It tells everyone “we will knowingly rip you off and we think it’s acceptable”
This should destroy their credibility permanently. It won't unfortunately, but it should.
Because it’s 3DO it’ll be forgotten about
I'll take temporary until their competition gets more business from the same clients.
Like strictly limited and super rare games.
They’re gonna start selling games on Maxell CDs with sharpie on it and only make 200 of them, and sell them for $80 each
They will become the burnt dvd vendors of the NYC subway system when I lived there in the late 2000s
@@VideoGameEsotericaThe late 90's and early 2000's counterfeit cd+dvd black market scene was incredibly dope though and especially during the ps1 gen here in Britain where loads of US/Japanese titles were never released on pal.
@v4skunk739 oh I agree. I used to buy bootleg Hong Kong Kung fu movies I’d never heard of in the subways back in the day
I'll do one better...
Limited Run will sell you an overpriced digital download and then send you a link to internet archive lol😂
Hahaha, a torrent link on archive with no seeds lmao
What really sucks is there are collectors out there who would probably not open the games and would never know.
That’s for sure what they were hoping for
And I, a person who WANTS to actually use the stuff, can't get one of the limited releases.
I hate that too. I want people to spend money and get good stuff they can enjoy
This is one of the most ridiculous things that I have seen from a company. I wouldn't even buy anything from them ever again if that happened to me.
And the compounding lies about pressing the discs. Anyone in the 3DO community knew from minute one that was a falsehood
Limited Run Games really has gone from a nice option for getting games that would never have a physical release to a racket that makes it a pain to even obtain mass market games that always would have gotten a physical edition in the past (Konami collections, I'm looking at you). And then they have the nerve to do something like this. They clearly hold their customers in contempt.
Yes now suddenly new releases are suddenly “limited run”
LRG has always sucked.
I mean, I could understand if it was a small homebrewer that made their own packages like that and used their own burner. But this is a bigger company that should be able to do way better! What scumbags.
Yes when BioFury released the manufacturer let everyone know “100 units, they are burnt” and everyone was cool with it !
Limited Run Games didn't even figure out a way to press the CDs themselves. They simply went to World of Games, which most recently released BioFury on 3DO on pressed CDs, to do it for them. I mean, good on World of Games for stepping up to the plate, & LRG does include WoG's logo all over the place on the D packaging & discs, and I hope LRG paid them well for doing the right thing... despite never acknowledging WoG's involvement at all at any point publicly, only via the e-mails sent to people who ordered the D Collector's Edition.
World of Games also pressed the Plumber's Don't Wear Ties 3DO re-release, too.
Greed is out of control on this planet. SMH
It’s such a bummer. Their concept is good. Reprint classic games. Nothing wrong with that. Just do it right!
Stop being hyperbolic. Things are no different than they used to be, we just hear about everything nowadays.
@@Error8x8 No, it wasnt like this a long time ago.
@@Error8x8 lol. Streaming services alone say otherwise.
@@thehandofzarquon a monthly cost to Spotify premium costs as much as ONE CD back in the day and you get access to millions of songs and yet people will still complain about the cost or choose piracy. We’re all greedy in one way or another.
Since these are just CD-Rs, I would expect to see dumps of these re-releases online.
3DO games have no protection so even pressed it’s a non issue
@@VideoGameEsoterica I'm just saying they apparently don't care about these being freely distributed if they fail to release real products.
They‘re just unchanged replicas of the original release, aren’t they? Dumps of these have been out for a long time. I don’t think they took the time to do a translation.
Yes it’s just the same image from the 90s
@@VideoGameEsoterica Oh wow really? No bonus content or anything? That's crazy. I remember being disappointed with the Steam release Nightdive did.. Which was the original DOS version just put through DosBox. No controller support and awful scanlines. The PS1 version in Duckstation was soo much better. I guess the PC "re-release" they did along with this 3DO version would be exactly the same. Highly disappointing.
Makes me wondering how they are going to cut corners on vinyl releases.
It won’t be vinyl. It’ll be pressed asbestos 🤣
they'll ship mono records lol
lol you never know
Who needs Vinyl when you have Liquorice - NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW!
I've never heard a modern vinyl pressing that can touch the audio quality of a trashed 80s pressing. New Vinyl is straight up scam almost all of the time and I'm glad I cottoned on before making more stupid purchases of music products made for display and not play.
We all deserve better for the premium we pay. Salute to you for keeping your foot on these companies necks
I just don’t like people getting screwed
Not mentioned here is that writable optical media has a shelf life. The substrate that's used to hold the data is not stable and will break down over time. CD-Rs are one of the more stable of all of the varieties of recordable optical media, but even then the CD-Rs that are manufactured today are _not_ up to the same quality standards that they were back when writable CDs were mainstream. In some ways it's a minor miracle that CD-Rs are still manufactured at all.
While it's possible that a CD-R may be perfectly readable for decades, it's also quite possible that it will cease to be readable after a few years, especially if the storage conditions aren't optimal. Heat and humidity will speed up the decay of the substrate. So good luck if you live in Florida or anywhere else along the Gulf Coast and you can't keep your collection room at 70-75 degrees Fahrenheit and below 50% humidity at all times.
Yes they def don’t live as long
Jesus Christ that’s bold
Bold and scummy
They went from Limited Run Games to Limited Quality Games.
LQG!
Great Follow-up vid! Following this story since I saw the original one you made a few months back and was disgusted to learn that they were doing this! Thanks for shining a light on these lowlifes! Looking forward to more of your awesome content. Stay blessed.
Happy to do it even if I shouldn’t have had to do it in the first place
Another thing on top of poor reflectivity layers, as I've gotten into PSX development with my DTL-H1001, turns out CD-R's used by these older consoles will not have been 700MB, or maybe even 650MB, but rather 620MB 71 minute discs. Many older systems like the PSX, and perhaps the Sega CD and 3DO as well, have hard coded seek tables. You can imagine the overshoot happening with discs larger than anticipated for the drive when in data mode (this generally won't affect CDDA mode), and backtracking the drive needs to do to find the sector it was trying to look for.
The fact LRG did this means they have a crucial misunderstanding on how the CD drive in these systems work, and that's horrible for the price they charged. Let alone when people are paying for a game and they didn't disclose it was a CD-R (until later) is outright criminal due to bait and switch laws.
Yes clearly LRG did no research. They just did a cash grab
This has happened to me with Amazon, as well. I once bought a music CD from them, and when I got it in my home, I just noticed that it was, actually, a CD-R with the case and the label of an original one. And the price wasn't exactly a bargain either.
Ouch. That’s a bummer
I have a few Limited Run releases, but I got more and more doubts about them. Prices are just too high. Now this.
Sir! Your video opening the new discs absolutely had at least one cut in it. You clearly used a knife to open the plastic wrap!
I declare shinanagins!!
🤣 you got me. Word play!
This is actually garbage. We cant let them get away with this.
I will certainly do my part
I hate that this niche hobby is being invaded by scumbags. I went to a local community retro market the other day and more than half the guys there had no interest in games, they had just decided it could make them money. It was like trading coal. They knew their stuff when it came to rarity and value but they weren't gamers. Some of them were such sleazebags too, treating their kids like dirt and unpaid employees.
What makes it worse is these people think they're really clever but they're chasing razor thin margins. Seems like a waste of time if you have no love for the scene. But that's the reality, they're not smart enough to make the big bucks. Lowlife grifters.
I see it all the time. People that hear games are worth money. They use phone scanners to check prices
They're so sure their customers are gonna buy the game and put it on a shelf forever (with the shrink wrap intact, to keep maximum resell value) that next time they might fill the box with sand.
At least sand doesn’t rot in 5-10 years
@@VideoGameEsoterica You've got a point.
If they want to save even more money, have an empty box with only a downloadable code so people can download the manual and the iso with an emulator.
btw I don't get the idea of buying a toy and not playing with it and keeping it shrink wrapped. Is it treated like a good that'll resell later for more?
People buy these releases and sit on them to flip for profit. I open what I buy. Or else I don’t buy it. Except my shame pile of new releases 🤣
If Limited Run Games don't want customers they won't get them. I'd recommend everyone to not buy anything from LTR ever again.
Now that everyone knows they planned it it’s even worse
3DO was my favorite system. I even have a Trip Hawkins autograph to go with my console.
Thanks for keeping the console alive with your positivity of it.
I’ll always advocate for 3DO. It’s not perfect but it certainly isn’t bad as the “haha 3DO sucks” internet crowd leads people to believe. Plenty to love about it
When I had to wait two years and got a broken vinyl with no answer back and just a quiet refund, I swore to never buy from these type of companies no matter what.
They wouldn’t even replace it?
Ive said it for years, and I will say it again. LRG has always been and will always be garbage.
They certainly aren’t doing the right things
Did they at least use high quality Taiyo Yuden recordable discs?
Nope
Hey. I have a question not related to the CD R thing.
The Killing Time gou showed. One disc is red and one is black.
Is there a difference?
Please excuse my ignorance on the matter.
No worries and zero ignorance. It’s a deep cut factoid. The black disc was a mail in bug fixed version of the initial red disc release. Not many people mailed their discs in for replacement so the black disc is pretty rare these days
Good thing I got my refund already, I wasn't willing to give this company a second chance after seeing those CD-R's pop out of that case. Like I said before, I will NEVER buy another Limited Run game for a retro console ever again. They have some serious cajones if they trully believed that nobody would notice this stunt or not try to play these discs at all. The word "insulting" comes to mind in this situation, something many of todays game companies seem to be concerningly ok with despite the massive dips in sales and stock value it creates.
**Edited to remove some false info on my end**
I obv didn’t take the refund so I could open the new version on camera but the whole product is just spoiled now
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yup, and it makes sense for you as a content creator to wait for the replacement. For the regular average joe though, its better to give them the middle finger lol.
Yep. Get your money back! You watch though…10 years from now the D set with burns AND replacements will somehow be expensive on the secondary market 🤣
@@VideoGameEsoterica That will be a great laugh when that happens! 😂
And now with the new copyright thing they probably will be the only company able to sell retro games without recieve a DMCA claim
Another thing I need to do a video on for next week. Bad news after bad news
Makes me wonder if they’re going to fake the new FX3 chip they’re developing for the upcoming DOOM SNES release. :/
That I don’t think they could pull off. But I hope someone opens it to see what’s going on inside
lol the Opinel knife straight to the cover shows you lost all sense of perceived value of this item 😂😂
Haha yep. No longer care
I've only ever bought one game from Limited Run and I regret ever giving them my money. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention and continuously making noise about it.
Happy to do it
this is low key heartbreaking. unreal.
It’s just scummy
I stopped giving these clowns money five or six years ago after dealing with their so called customer service. None of this is surprising.
I’ve heard their customer service is severely lacking
LRG thinking their customers wouldn't notice them trying to give 3DO fans the D is insulting and ridiculous.
Haha nice comment
Absolutely do not use CD-R in an old laser drive like a 3DO, that were made well before optical drives were expected to play CD-Rs, as CD-Rs just weren't a big thing yet. The entire laser head assembly will be moving at higher rates. It will shorten it's life, by how much is hard to say, but it will.
And by now all the OG lasers are weak as is
Burning cd-rs is okay at home on your own computer I do it man most of my Saturn stuff is burned but you can’t slap that in a fancy box and sell it to someone full price, come on dude
Exactly
Thing that gets me though, no matter if this was the most common of knowledge, give it a while and this edition of the game will still be a valuable and many people will just find it a norm, i mean we are already in a state of digital only media, that the only way to have physical versions will be "nicely printed" ones, and i would take that vs not having it at all at least.
its just sad that when it comes to physical games, most of it is just another investment these days.
People buying LRG stuff as a speculative investment always confuse me
*They should be held responsible for this , this is also why I cant stand Metal Jesus because he was such a meat rider for this company!*
I mean they didn’t start terrible. They just got there
Everything you said on this video was on Point, crazy thing about it most people will never open them. I have tons of LR games never opened. I could only imagine the half ass shit that went into making them
Sounds like it’s time to open them and see
Imagine thinking no one would notice. Shameful behaviour.
I guess that few of people actually open stuff
Guess they realized most the physical collectors are just suckers. Nothing wrong with emulation.
Still shouldn’t matter
@@VideoGameEsoterica only money matters dude. People no longer care about quality. They find a sucker and milk them until they bleed then the rich business people find a new sucker to leech. This system we live in breeds predatory business practices.
This is why I and countless others have gone strictly emulation only.
Don't waste your money on overpriced "limited editions" or reissues. It's become just another gimmick designed to bleed you of your hard earned cash.
Was already weary of LRG , this fiasco made my mind up on never supporting them in the future.
Recently they announced the release of Wizardry and I'm going out of my way to import it from Japan or Europe.
Yes a decent amount of these titles can be imported
Absolutely disgraceful. I'm so happy I didn't bother to buy this as I was very tempted...
Total disgrace
I hate to say it, but there's a very specific reason the retro gaming community are targeted by scams like this so often, and it's because they don't know how to say no. Every single little thing that comes down the pike, out come the wallets, willing to pay whatever price is asked, for whatever item. When scammers see that, they think "Ah, an easy target." Hence the numerous scams and overpriced garbage this community is getting flooded with. If you want my advice, stop buying everything and anything.
99 cents of every dollar I spent is on arcade boards these days. Probably for the last five years or so I’d say
Not only is that all a bunch of lies, CD-Rs have this habit of dying after some amount of time. Not uniformly, but pretty randomly. Pretty ridiculous for them to try this.
and how much did they save? Burning vs replicating isn’t a huge difference
@@VideoGameEsoterica Not at all, especially now. My guess would be that duplication/pressing houses would be begging for that business at this point.
Seriously. Physical media isn’t doing so hot
Now i understand why people rolled their eyes when they hear Limited Run Games handling one of any beloved games.
What a scam
Seriously. Just embarrassing
I boight Cotton,R type and indies from then...'in blind support to physical support'..to own something
If the company had any decency they would issue a public apology and make sure that the responsible person resigns. Else there is no reason to give them any more business whatsoever.
Yes this is “fall on your sword” territory
I wish 3DO was working on Mister. I was a gamer in that era, but never had one. Only played it in a club, Mad Dog McCree or the police thing... Crime Patrol 2: Drug Wars I think it was. Oh. We thought it was insane.
D gave the same chills back in the day, or more.
Did you ever play Psychic Detective? This game is all sorts of weird.
One day. One day
Wow, thanks for the video do we know what games / collectors editions have CD-R’s?
I have a few collectors editions.
The only reason I buy these reprints is because they are new pressed discs and I like to support companies that do that.
I’ve been using project retro games recently nice pressed discs.
Just this one we know about but who knows
@@VideoGameEsoterica I best open them up and have a look shame really as most games I’ve bought I already have and just wanted a back up, and to support these companies👍🏻😎🍺.
Could be anything in there!
What jrpg is that for your wallpaper? Looks very jrpg to me. Or maybe it’s an ad on that site lol
Ad on site
One would have to assume that collectors and gamers who collect and play vintage games would know the difference between types of optical media. We’re all old enough to have cd burners in our lives at one point or another.
I think they really do bank on nobody opening what they bought
After they pulled the trick with the CD-Rs I don't think I'd buy any Limited Run games.
Def makes every release that isn’t modern suspect
Those gosh darn, ding dong, dingalings. Justice for D
I’m extra spicy because for six years on this channel I’ve constantly told people to play this game
I'm glad we got the proper disc's. Hopefully the plumbers don't wear ties is also pressed.
At this point it better be
Preordered the Rocket Knight Adventures Ultra Edition on PS5 and Tomba, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt on how both arrive. At least Rocket Knight is coming a few days early.
Well PS5 is safe since it’s modern. At least the disc
Once you become aware of who the people are at Limited Run, you will look at them in the same light as a scumbag.
Hey it’s Lahey!
CD-Rs last shorter compared to a regular CD, so much for "preservation" once it goes to disc rot after 16 years. CD-Rs are good for independent artists but for a successful business?
Limited run got too big for their own boots. The company is a joke.
This certainly makes them look particularly bad
Sad...My latest aaa game was Tsushima,since,only 2D switch,steam,ps4 reboots or indies with few real cd.
The physical option should be on demand available...'we are not happy..we own nothing' it's not my agenda.
Flat out admitting they don't expect people to actually play their releases really says everything there is to be said about LRG. Will happily continue not giving them my money going forward. Good job on not giving up on reporting the issue, because they were clearly banking on getting away with it.
I kept up so it wouldn’t be forgotten about. Things like this shouldn’t happen
What's the difference between pressed discs and CD-Rs?
Reflectivity for the laser
@@VideoGameEsoterica Damages it over time?
Feels like the difference between vinyl injection and FDM printer. Would Pop! succeed if they decided to replace vinly injection molds with FDM printer?
It can. If the laser works harder to read it can reduce the life
@@Reyas Burned discs don't even last that long compared to pressed discs. The burned ones have an organic layer that can decay over time.
i love how every time i hear about LRG, I find new and exciting ways that they completely suck ass and reasons to despise them, and furthers why I only ever give them cash if there's literally no other way to get a game physically by importing it, tbh.
They were already incredibly dodgy for basically predicating their entire busy on the idea of FOMO for collectors on niche consoles like the Vita (and had some real awful customer service even back then), but then they started more or less actively screwing over the buyers by retroactively removing content in preordered releases (and editing the page to act like it was never there; I remember a lot of Saturn diehards were pissed over how they promised Panzer Dragoon Remake to come with a manual but it didn't, and they pulled that) and then started taking a frankly unacceptable amount of time to produce and ship most of their the big-box releases.
Completely a company catering not to people actually interested in games as a valid artistic medium or preservation efforts, but catering to the worst kind of "shelf collectors"; people that just want to hoard an item rather than actually /enjoy/ the game itself at any point. Even in this world of short-print reissues and physicals, they manage to be by far the worst and most unethical.
You don't do this unless you're /that/ cynical. Nor do you call yourself "Limited Run Games" and manage a store location presence that happens to have lots of old titles you just happened to find in storage lol
I bought Clock Tower Rewind through Amazon Japan.
I'm not paying those prices at Limited Run.
I need to pick a copy up
I'm going to start buying more from Amazon Japan. Limited Run and some of the other online stores are just asking for too much money.
@HelenMaxwellfan Amazon Japan is always a good option
Im glad I stopped dealing with Limited Run after the Contra collection
Never heard. What happened with that one?
@@VideoGameEsoterica Nothing with that particular collection it was just after I reserved it I ended up learning about much of their scummy business practices
Ahh I see
I mean if they can cheap-out on a doom rerelease, then I'm unsurprised that it falls on everything else
Not surprising at all
I knew the excuses were bullshit because pressed game piracy was actually a thing in the Asian market for 3DO back in the 90s. I used to have a large amount of bootlegs for 3DO that were pressed disc that came from Hong Kong and Korea that I got a hold of in the early 2000s. And I mean, not just more popular titles like Sailor Moon, Super SF 2 Turbo, or Way of the Warrior, but average titles like Flying Nightmares and Scramble Cobra also. No name disc manufactures out of Asia were pressing the stuff. If they could do it, no reason why it couldn't be done now by a legit facility still capable of doing glass masters/stampers etc.
Yes everyone knew basically day 1 that excuse was just covering their tracks
So... a video about D on a mister FPGA core (3DO or Saturn) when? :P
I just did a D vid a few weeks ago!
Glad they finally did the right thing, I used to be a big fan of LRG and what they do.
As a physical collector it was always a good way to get a good game in a nice physical set that may otherwise be unobtainable.
But this story along with some other I have heard lately leaves me with a bad taste.
I never minded the long production waits or slow updates but I can not stand this kind of BS.
It feels more like they got forced to do the right thing
@@VideoGameEsoterica yeah thats what bothers me.
If you do the right thing after getting caught intentionally doing the wrong thing then it feels meaningless and hollow
@@VideoGameEsoterica agreed.
*Tisk-Tisk-Tisk*. They got caught and hope the learn their lesson that the community doesn't accepted this take of underhanded tactics of business VGE.
And they tried to hide it
I think it was before this whole scandal that I saw the Tomba! remaster trailer and was really excited initially but I had already heard horrible things about LRG that I knew that wasn't going to support them and buy that game. It really is a shame because it's such a great series but on principle I wont support unethical and exploitative companies like them
Exactly. They’ve taken nostalgia and ruined it
Ds is such a Dsipointing story. 😩
I’ll give you a point for this one
Aww yeah! METR0lD 1, VGE 1,000! Got you not the ropes now!
You still live in Wisconsin though
Could be worse to be a flatlander@@VideoGameEsoterica
It's a really long rope.
I use Taiyo Yuden/TDK cd's when I record something.
They are the best
I only bought once from them, when they did a physical release of the Shin Chan game on Switch. Long wait times, then it got lost in the mail and they had to send a replacement… overall a subpar experience.
I hope the sequel gets a proper physical release, so I don‘t have to buy from them again.
Oh, and the plastic of that game case looks absolutely horrible! I can feel the cheapness through my screen.
The case is like 1/10 quality
I was wondering why I never received my original pre order of the game but it came this week, I guess they decided to hold mine back until they got the pressed discs in stock as I’m in the UK, strangely they didn’t put the pressed version in the box, they just sent me the original burned version in the big box along with the pressed dual cased one separately, you’re right though, that has to be the most pathetically flimsy excuse for a dual cd case ever created😆
Oh wow I didn’t know they’d held orders. Probably from the initial wave of bad press
@@VideoGameEsoterica yeah, most likely
Hey, I want to See the Gane! 😢
Huh?
@@VideoGameEsoterica Game
I couldn't find you on any other social media, so I'll just leave a comment. There's a guy selling Naomi 2 hardware in Chicago on Facebook!!
Oh wow. I’ll take a peek!
Messaged him
All about the $$
Nothing wrong with profit. But you gotta deliver the goods
Limited Run was sold to the comically mismanaged Embracer Group in 2022. That's all you need to know about their recent dip in quality. They are just a cog in an infinite growth nightmare corpo now. Anything to cut costs and increase profits because line must go up for the corporate masters. Given Embracers track record in the last few years with killing off it's acquisitions, Limited Run is probably a dead company walking. I personally wouldn't give them money at this point because it's not going to get better, it's just going to continue like this until Embracer closes their doors like they've done with 44 other studios in the last 2 years.
I just wish people would stop and say “could I sell my company and cash in? Sure. Do I make enough now to be comfortable and happy? Yes. So I’m keeping control”
Wow. That's pathetic
It’s pretty sad
LOL, imagine selling something and expecting people not to use it. You have to expect at least one person actually wants to open the game. The look of a burned CD-R discs is unmistakable.
I dislike these FOMO publishers. Unfortunately, Limited Run Games releases a lot of Game Boy cartridges. It didn’t feel good paying over $70 for Shantae Advance, but here we are. 🤷♀️
Step 1: corner the market. Step 2: screw people
I burned tons of games for 3DO and Cdi with no issues
Funny they couldn't do it correctly
Just had a good laser
Gamers really suffer from FOMO a bit too much. It's wild how crazy some of them will spend hundreds or thousands over msrp just to have a thing. They abuse it with digital items as well, and it's a "high" that lasts for a few minutes. LRG also loves exploiting FOMO and nostalgia to make sales that they won't ship for sometimes over a year. It's sad.
Nothing kills “excitement” like actually getting the thing you want. Even if it’s cheap. I hunt for years for rare arcade boards. I find one? Costs me $200? Play it then the feeling is gone. I love the chase
Kenji eno trilogy is amazing
I shout these games from roof tops
More people need to play them
I wonder if Kenji Eno is crying and rolling in his grave over this disgrace (burnt CDR fraud) upon his magnum opus (D) ? 😅
I just wish he was still around making games
bankruptcy anyone?
Doubtful
There’s been plenty of Limited Run games that I’ve wanted but I just won’t go there. Oh, I tell a lie, I think I’ve bought one of their releases second hand. So they never actually got my money lol
Yeah best to just avoid them sadly
@ Yeah especially after this debacle
More like "Limited Scam Games" am I right? 😏 Jokes aside I always found their practices shady but this was more than a disappointment and showed how much those people care about the costumers and games itself vs just money.
We can just call them LSG from now on
I will charge back on my payment
If you can may as well
The fact he assumed that gamers and more so collectors would not notice shows how out of touch he was.
Sad and true
Is it Real?
It’s 3DO! lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica That joke was good, lol.
Haha it was
😁👌@@VideoGameEsoterica
Dastardly 😡
It’s seriously gross