Mustang vs F-150 Coyote Engine | What's The Difference?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- What's the difference between the Mustang Coyote and F-150 Coyote Engines?
In this video, Landan covers the many differences of the Gen 1 Coyote Engine between the 2011-2014 Mustang GT and the 2011-2014 F-150.
We also discuss the 5.0L Road Runner Engine from the 2012-2013 Boss 302 Mustang. Both engines are great engine swap candidates with the F-150 Coyote Engine being significantly cheaper due to the increased availability. Even though the 1st Gen Coyote Engine had its fair share of problems, all-in-all they are still a highly reliable engine.
By the end of this video, you should have a great understanding of the main differences between the coyote engines in the Mustang and F-150.
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0:00 | Intro
0:46 | Gen 1 Coyote 2011-14 Mustang Engine Specs
3:14 | 2013-14 Mustang Coyote Engine Changes
4:10 | 5.0L Road Runner (Boss 302) Engine Specs
5:09 | 2011-14 F-150 Coyote Engine Specs
6:28 | Final Thoughts
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Evolution Of The Mustang 5.0L Coyote Engine | Gen 1, Gen 2 & Gen 3
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Very reliable engine. I have a 2014 GT and have over 185000 miles on it. No issues. Runs strong. No check engine lights at all. I bought it used with 93000 miles on it.
The gen 3 coyote is 5.035 liters which converts to 307.25 cubic inches. 12.01 compression dual (port and direct) injection, 460 horsepower 420 torque. Despite these impressive numbers.. some Dale Earnhardt jacket wearing, reebok hightop wearing, mullet having dipstick will say it's a complicated weak engine.
They only say that because its expensive
@@redlight3932 It's only $1100 more than a new LT1 roughly 10% more. A crate LT1 is $8400 and Gen 3 Coyote is $9500
Only to the stupid.
@@Dayandcounting cheaper to mod the gm. Always has been.
@@mdubz101 Say that until we see the price of the LT6.
The main difference between the two is -
A used low mile Mustang coyote is $5000+
and a used low mile F150 coyote is $2000 lol.
For my swap I barely found a used high mile F15p motor for $2200 lol. People even want those now
@@forever1313 I was able to find a used gen 1 F150 Coyote with a little over 100,000 miles with exhaust manifolds, intake, flexplate for 2500 bucks on Ebay but that was 2 years ago. If you're going to do a coyote swap start with the F150 and only buy one from a Mustang if you have to, or if the price is right, because all it takes to convert one from F150 to Coyote is intake cams and the intake manifold of your choice, assuming you're going to buy or fabricate headers. While you're at it, though, you really should spend the extra few hundred bucks and get a billet oil pump, just make sure it's the right one since F150 and Mustang use different oil pumps, you can't mix and match gears and housings.
@@177SCmaro Yeah I know all about that stuff, tried the best I could to find conversion parts but the coyote swap was a last minute decision, was in the middle of a 4.6 rebuild until I found rust in it's bore. So I went coyote and it kinda made me broke for a lil bit!
The motor ended up going in as is actually. While I don't know what the mustang version feels like, with a tune, BBK long tubes, and an intake I'm plenty happy with it for now.
@@forever1313
You being happy with it is all that matters.
I had to fab headers for mine and fab/modify motor mounts. You may find this really hard to believe, but no one makes a conversion or adaptors for late 70's gm motor mounts to modern Ford modular, lol. They do for bellhousings, at least!
What all needs to be changed to swap a 5.0 Coyote for a 4.6?
As someone who put a 2013 f150 5.0 motor into my 2011 mustang as a cheap street beater, The main differences between the f150 and mustang (gen 1) is 10.5 vs 11.0CR, and the intake cams. Bone stock I ran 12.50s. It held and lived at just under 900rwhp for about a year. Cheap way to get into a coyote if someone is debating going the f150 motor route.
@@jakejohnson9827 lol
Thank you for the history lesson. Now please talk about the late model 5.0 that is pertinent to our choices today
Sorry the s197 is always pertinent to mustang choices buddy 2013 cobra is the last one done by carrol shelby.
@@MrDeathdealer79 thank you. I’m contemplating a F150 with the 5.0 so any information on the current generation is helpful..
for example, the oil pump issue? Has Ford addressed this or should I plan on doing it at some point. And at what point?
What do you guys want to know? The 3rd gen Coyote is the same as the 2ed gen except for different cams, different heads and valve covers (direct injection, slightly better flowing), I believe they went back to the deep 12mm head bolts, and they no longer use iron sleeves but a special metal transfer lining (which can be bored out and aftermarket sleeves installed). For relatively cheap insurance, if you've got the pan and timing cover off, I would get billet oil pump gears/complete oil pump, especially if you plan on running a supercharger. If you're just going to run it at stock or near stock power and rpm I wouldn't worry about it.
I think donut media did an up to speed on the coyote engine. All generatoins.
Lmao such stupid ppl 😂🤣 want a race car and I’m guessing not mechanically inclined so they’ll drop 50-60k and $700-$900 a month payment 😂🤣 for a new piece of junk!
If a person wants to do a coyote build, it would definitely make the most sense to start with an F150 coyote and build it from there. Anybody serious about a build is going to expect to sink some big bucks into it anyway, so an F150 based coyote has just as much potential as a mustang coyote from that standpoint.
Just turned 300 thousand miles on my 2013 with the 5.0
Thank you for sharing an awesome video!
Good video really enjoyed it!
You rocked it dude!
i love the great vids and explanations , another reason LMR rocks!!!!
Great content!
My 13 Lariat just rolled over 200k uninterrupted miles and still running strong
Love my ‘14 5.0 Mustang. 50K miles strong and plenty of fun!
Do you still have it, or did you drive past a pedestrian yet?
@@first_last-our little comedian🥰. Nga think he funny
I’ve got a 2011 f-150 Ltd Supercrew 4x4. with a K&N high flow kit and Magna Flow dual exhaust. For a 6,000 lbs truck it’s pretty fast and it sounds great. If anything ever happens to the truck; I’m keeping the motor for my 63 1/2 Ford Galaxy.
I do not have Mustang , BUT this was a dang good video well done !!!
Thank you! We appreciate the feedback! 🙌
@@latemodelrestoration no problem!
My 2011 GT just hit 197k miles, and I haven't had any engine issues.
Saw a teardown by I Do Cars, and the only weak point of this thing is shitty/low oil. The Coyote is Achillies and it bathes in that giant River Styx of an oil pan.
ive driven about 10k miles in my 2014 gt and im never getting rid of it. best car ever
Love the way you broke it down and I've learned something
“Broke it down”. Ford motto. 🤣
@@rogueldr642smiythe9 this isn’t a chevy or fiat ram
@@cesarurzua8234 ford where recall/repair is job 1
@@rogueldr642smiythe9 chevy literally went bankrupt & had to be bailed out by the government & Chrysler has been bought out by Italians
@@cesarurzua8234 even with all that they STILL whoop ford!
I'm hoping to coyote swap my 94 Bronco, poor old 302 that's in her is kinda tired. Appreciate the good info in the video
351. Wont have to work as hard to move the beast
Great video! Ford did us proud with the coyote!
Good learning videos thank you guys
Hell yeah! All hail the Coyote! 🔥
I love this type of stuff
Great video brother and I love the Coyote V8 in my 2011 F150 with 140,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it and the best part is that it doesn't have turbos nor other stuff to go wrong nor costly to repair unlike the EcoBoost engines.
Nice I'm at 170k with my 2012 still running great
@@USA--1776 Great too hear. I got a 2013 with 98,000 miles. Glad I can get a lot more years out of my truck.
Nice to hear you are having good luck. I have a 2014 F150, but, that kind of mileage is nothing special. When and if you get over 200k on it, then, you will know how good it is. Most modern engines that get good service and are not abused will run forever, it is all the rest that goes to hell, the engines themselves are all pretty good, of course there are some that are not.
@@WhatTheHeck1290 Awesome brother
@@keithkuckler2551currently at 294,000 miles on my 2015 f150! At 280 I had to replace my cam phasers and at 250,000 I needed a new water pump and ac unit. But she's still purring like a kitten
Awesome. LMR is very lucky to have Landan.
Thank you for the kind words! -Landan
For anyone thinking their late 14 has gen2 heads, well, it does BUT they're gen2 f150 heads. Almost identical to gen1 heads EXCEPT for extra material around the intake port for the IMRC's. Same valve size and everything. Gen2 mustang heads got the larger valves. My late 14 Mustang has the old style head on one side and the new style on the other...
Great video! Did a 2013 F150 Coyote swap in my old 97 Mustang. Motor has around 160K on it but still runs and revs out like a champ, no oil burn or anything, save the loud tick almost all Ford motors seem to develope. Whats interesting to me is what amount of power my car actually makes. With such minor differences in the intake, compression, and cams, I wonder if a mustang tune brings the motor past 360hp. I can't say I can tell by how it feels because my only past sports cars were a 98 V6 and this same 97 with its old 4.6. Will have to get it on a dyno sometime.
You bought a 160k mile motor? And did nothing but say it's ok and no oil leaks? Im a ford guy but damn that's not a great investment at all
@@3rdcoastobs467 Hell yeah I did! lol. It is an LKQ motor, replaced the gaskets I needed to, made sure it had compression and sent it. The motor has a warranty from LKQ.
Besides, the swap was a last-minute decision after I found rust in the 4.6s bore, so I went close to broke.. lol. The motor will come back out and get a refresh sooner or later.
@@forever1313pretty Damm cool
@3rdcoastobs467 the engine in my 2011 F-150 has 346k miles.
Need one of them in my 04 grand marquis
Same
Same for my 03
I have 225K hard miles on my 2011 Grand Marquis, it still runs like new, doesn't burn oil between oil changes and does not have a single leak. It always cranks on the first attempt no matter how long it sits. I want a coyote swap in it badly but it's going to be a while as the old 4.6L in it won't die.
My 2013 6 Speed Black 🐺 Coyote 🐺 has only 27K miles on it. Upstate NY. Never seen a winter. Off the road Nov-Apr. She soooooooo clean.
Do you plan on doing a gen 2 coyote video on this topic? I jave a 17 f150 i wanna build. Cool video, as always yall
At this time, we don't have plans for the Gen 2/3, however, I can make a new video idea for the team! But until then, check out the article of the differences between the Gen1, Gen 2 and Gen 3 Coyote: lmr.com/products/differences-between-mustang-5-0-coyote-engines
Just do E85 and boost it lol, no need to build a Coyote unless you're well past 800.
I will. I will give it a thumbs up.
Good vid!!
Thank you!
Thank you
What material are used on the gen 2 coyote f150 piston and rods
Thank you for the education.
Well do e.
Thanks! We appreciate it! -Landan
Finally someone that says it’s a 4.9 . It’s always been a 4.9 till it got it got a bigger bore in 2018+ .
The pushrod 5.0 litre rounded off to a 4.9 but the coyote rounds off to 5.0
They both do off throttle rattle ?
Earlier this year I bought a used 2018 Ford F-150 with the 5.0 liter. Has all the power I need. Surprisingly it gets a over 20 mpg. I'm happy about that. Some years back I had 07 Dodge ram with the 5.7 hemi engine. Average 15 mpg maybe.
Yeah my 2016 5.0 f150 supercrew gets over 20 mpg too. I'm happy with it and the power. Exhuast upgrade is all it really needs
I have a 2014, F150 XLT, four wheel drive. It is a terrfic truck, and, yes it has plenty of power. I also get between 19-22 mpg with road driving. It did a bit better until I replaced the lower height Leer topper with a higher one, that has knocked the highway mileage down a bit, but, it is still good.
Is that 2018 5.0 using oil. My Gen 3 (2019) was using 1 qt. Every 1000 miles. Sold it after TSB by Ford and several dealer trips. 👎
@@user-js2rj8ho3c not much at all. It's been good.
You gotta talk about the gen 3s
Is there a difference between gen2 f150 and gen2 mustang heads?
I used to make the Valve Covers at Dana and the main difference was we would use silver bolts for the truck and black bolts for the mustang version.
A side note after about a year all the sudden they became very strict about flash left over from the molding. We had to integrate an extra step but I'm not sure if it was a visual thing someone noticed or it caused engine issues.
Thanks for that bit of knowledge! -Landan
I love my gen 1 coyote Mustang.
Now the next generation I have a 2017 coyote f150
Couldn’t get the bottom zipper of back rest to close I had a two inch gap I ended up using zip ties to hold it together I tried everything heated the vinyl and kept pushing the vinyl down no luck
The old 5.0 was 4.94 something. The new 5.0 is actually 4.95 and considering Chevy got away with calling their 305 (4.99) a 5.0, Ford can do it too.
the new 2018 5.0 is actually 5.035
4.99 liters and 4.94/4.95 liters is quite different, but nobody is arguing about whether a 5.0 Coyote is a 5.0...
Ha Ford Aus we got a 302 Cleveland (early 70's - mid 80's) that they called a 4.9L then the mid 90's come we got a 302 Windsor that they called 5L
Don't forget the 1969 Z28 was a 302.
You care a lot.
Why does the mustang have a 11:1 compression ratio vs the 10.5 compression ratio in the f-150?
Now tell us about the “Miami” 5.0 they used in the Australian Ford Falcons right before they went out of production…
2012 ford f150 245k miles, still running strong and I drive it like a hellcat
I owned a 2003 Nissan Maxima that had the 3.5L ... same engine as the 350Z with the 3.5L ... only difference was the 350Z was mounted differently ... so I spent the $$$ to Z-spec my Maxima ... was a fun ride for several years before I sold it
That thing will last forever if you treat it right. My dad got his new amd it had over 200k when he got rid of it.
Question, my 12 Mustang Gt might have Knock or spun bearing.
Can I take a F150 engine and put my top end on it and swap it into my mustang?
There are a few different ways to tackle this. I'm assuming you're swapping an engine from a 2011-2014 F-150? If so, I wouldn't bother with switching the cylinder heads or the exhaust cams. Swap the intake cams, the timing cover, accessory drive pulleys, and the intake manifold. You'll be down a little on power because of the 10.5:1 compression. -Landan
I’m pretty sure the old 5.0 was 302 CI but the Coyotes were 305 CI but they used the Boss 302 nomenclature for nostalgic purposes…
The 11 - 17 Coyotes were 302. The 18+ are 307.
The 2011-2017 Coyote was the same displacement as the old 302 but the 2018 and newer Coyote is 307 Cubic inches like one cube bigger than the Ford small block 306 crate engine.
I'm a Honda guy. But damn I love these engines
Well the Coyote and Voodoo, found in the GT350, are like the import engines of the muscle cars. They use multivalves and cams, variable timing, and high revs to make power from a relatively small displacement.
Both are amazing in there own respects, Honda engines are a steal of a bargain for the amount of power you can push out those little monsters.
did not talk about liners sleeves or plasma spray ? so which one is it
Gen 1 engines had iron sleeves. -Landan
how high can you rev an F150 Gen 1 coyote with the stock cams? I'm putting a 2018 mustang manifold on my 2014 F150.
Did you get the intake manifold put on your Gen 1 F150? And if so, how did it go for you? Did it make a any respectable amount of power from it or is it not worth it? Got my hands on an 18 mustang gt manifold for a few bucks and I'm still debating whether or not I should swap it in.
trying to swap a coyote into my OBS Ford Truck. bit idk if I should get the mustang coyote or f150.
Just get an f150 motor, the differences are minimal and a tune can make up the difference, if you feel like you need to.
I'm building Windsors and clevelands.
Keep going
Romeo engine is my current nightmare.
Can you do this for the current gen of the coyote engine? 2022 f150 vs 2022 mustang 5.0
Great idea! Hopefully, this is something we can look at doing in the near future.
My question is, when the time comes. Should I replace my f150 5.0 with another f150 coyote or a Mustang 5.0.
Sean - That's completely up to you! -Landan
Fun fact the bean counters at ford put less agressive cams in the production Boss 302. The Exhaust cams have 13mms of lift and 265 and it shares intake cams with the gen 1 Coyote. It was suppose to get exhaust and intake cams with 13 mms of lift and 290 duration. These cams were later sold as Cobra jet cams
@likenem False, the Boss 302 uses 13mm intake cams at 263 degree duration vs 12mm at 260 degrees on a stock coyote. The exhaust cams are the same. The prod and Boss 302S/R are exactly the same in the engine compartment, sans oil pan and engine harness.
I have a very late 2014. How can I tell the difference in the cylinder heads if they were 2015s?
Ask them, they will tell you.
I have a late 14 with the different head on one side. They are NOT the same as 15-17 Mustangs but are the same as 15-17 F150's. Valve sizes are the same in all gen 1 coyotes and 15-17 gen2 truck coyotes.
I'll always choose the truck engine(all makes) over the car engine
What about a 4.8 vs a 5.7 LS.
The 4.8 was derived from the LS1, so what do you think?
Not a lot of youtubers will talk about the F150 having softer cams than the Mustang.
The original 5.0 was under 301.49 ci and this new 5.0 is 301.50 or greater which makes it a true 302 5.0… the old one was called a 5.0 so it wouldnt be mistaken for the 4.9 300 at the parts counter cause we all know how easy it is to confuse parts guy
IDK, when I was a teenager working the parts counter I would always mess with Ford owners. They would come in and ask for some part for a “302”. I would always ask, “Is that a Ford or Chevy 302?” I know I was a smart azz when I was younger. Still am actually.
@@cdnmetelhead4013 but thats actually like a legit question tho… the only thing is the Ford 302 is known to be a good engine… the chevy 302 not so much… both have their limitations but you can get more out of a ford 302 than a chevy 302… and the chevy 302 only lasted so long while the ford 302 ran for 3 decades
@@TheFARM2019the Chevy 302 is a great engine. The reason they stopped making it was the rules changed in the Trans Am series allowing them to destroke the 350 instead of having to build a factory 302 cubic inch engine.
How easy or difficult to swap a coyote into my 2008 F150. It has a good 5.4 but thinking
Hey there, we have not tested or looked into that kind of swap yet, but we would recommend checking some forums or FB groups to see if others have completed the swap before. - Jude H - Social Media Specialist
@@latemodelrestoration Yeah I’ll do a search like that thank you
This is true about late built 14 coyotes having gen2 heads. I've found (2) 06/14 built mustangs with gen2 heads
Wish I had found a 2014 gt over a 13 gt lol
which engine is easiest to fit into a ford explorer ?? 2004 v6 4x4 explorer
Physically, all generations of the Coyote engine are nearly identical. I'd recommend doing some research to see if other people have swapped a Coyote engine into a 2004 Ford Explorer. -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration would be nice to have a mustang engine
You think I’d be able to drop a gen 2 coyote from an 150 into my 12 gen 1 mustang?
Yes, but why would you do that? The gen 2 F-150 engines have a 10.5:1 compression. If you do go that route, you'll have to swap the Mustang timing components. -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration because my gen one is dead and found a running gen 2 truck motor that’s much cheaper than what it’s gonna cost to get take the heads to a machine shop
@@jmasterlink13 I understand. As long as the valvetrain is good in the Mustang engine, my comment above about swapping certain components is what you'll need to do. I also forgot to mention that you'll need a tuner to change the firing order to match the F-150. Let me know if you have any questions. -Landan
I love the 5.0 in my 2018 f150 work truck but damn it rattles like a diesel and burns oil at 80k miles well maintained
Throw a bottle of MMO in there 1000 miles before oil change. Will quiet that rattle down.
@@Maroco918 I've put a bottle of Lucas oil stabilizer in it and it did nothing
@@Blue_Flame_Raptor I've had really good luck with MMO in mine, that's why I recommend it. I've never used Lucas, but I'm sure it's a good product.
Just passing along what worked for me. Happy 4th 🇺🇲
@@Maroco918 you too, thanks!
Fords are hit or miss on build ngl
So the cams and covers were the only difference?
The gen 1 Coyote engine in the Mustang and F-150 had different intake cams, oil pump gears, pistons, intake manifold, oil cooler, exhaust manifolds, and timing covers. -Landan
Now do a video on all the problems with each generation. Oil consumption, oblong cylinder, loose cylinder sleeve...etc.
Alex went over alllll of this lol
Who is alex? His name is Landon
2011 to 2014 Which is the better years for the engine.
I didn’t know Seth Green was a mechanic on the side
Lol. -Landan
Does that have a flat plane crank
The 5.2L "Voodoo" engine from the 2015-2020 GT350 and GT350R are the only Coyote-based engines to receive a flat plane crankshaft. That engine is discussed a little bit more in the video below. -Landan
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So does the 2013 mustang GT have 412 or 420 HP @ 6500RPM?
The 2013 mustang GT has 420 HP @ 6500RPM
1st!
can. you put one in a. 1992 Crown Vic?
Yep! -Landan
this video seems to have come out about 11 years too late lol
The oil squirters are still in the 2013
He don't miss a trick...
It (truck version) might out run my truck but it won't out pull my truck and I have a manual transmission in my truck.
Love my Roadrunner! With its quad exhaust, it's a modern muscle car for sure :-)
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Why get rid of the oil squirters
They got rid of them for early 2013 cars and, at so point, put them back in for a while. More fluid being spun about the rotating assembly makes for more parasitic loss (-hp).
What? Still a 4.9? I thought I had heard this was a real 5.0 with a 305?
It was supposed to specialize in producing torque for the F150, but somehow made less torque than the Mustang version. 😂
i have a 5.0 in my 2016 f-150 lol
Its probably about time Ford discontinues the Coyote for something different for no reason other than to make everything obsolete. They have been around as long as the modular engines now. The modular engines proved to Ford they can sell anything. The Coyote was a massive upgrade.
Don't jinx it! Lol! -Landan
Not a American muscle car and neither a mustang but it’s interesting to learn
why do you call the amount of torque "pound / feet" rather than call it "foot / pounds"...the old school name ?? Pound / feet sounds stupid when I hear it...
Lemm break it down.
Mustang small balls
F-150 Big balls
F150 also weighs tons more.
@@rickitysplitz7035 I’ve still seen them beat every built car in Texas
So why are they called coyote?
We actually have a full article on this one! Check the link below to learn more! lmr.com/products/what-is-a-coyote-engine
@@latemodelrestoration thank you!
So your telling me the mustang engine has more torque than the f150 engine... isn't torque nvm I'll never understand engineers I assume
I wish I had the money to make my own car company. Well it wouldn't last long at all anyways because I wouldn't meet emission standards and wouldn't make an electric car.
Yes Mustang numbers are higher, but it's where you get that torque at, too lazy to look it up now, but the F150 's is tuned for truck duty.
Yes peak torque at higher RPM. Trucks need wider torque curve at lower rpms for towing.
All of that and still can't beat a pushrod camaro
My E55 walks all over any LT car that isn't supercharged and thus far 2 that have been, but I can't catch a gen 3 Coyote with an A10, which means neither can your Camaro
One's built for torque and the other isn't, end of story.
Really Roadrunner? Why can Ford never come up with there own name?
I will never get beyond Ford calling the hot Boss engine the Road Runner. Isn't that a Chrysler/Plymouth name? How could they call a Ford a Plymouth? It's sacrilege.
it's just a cool name
@@tturi2 I don't think you started running cars in the late 60's. It's a cool name if you happen to be a MOPAR fan. It's not a cool name for FORD! You won't see a Chevy named Mustang.
FOXBODY PUSH ROD OR DIE!!!!!!
You got to slow down , just a little bit 🤏
Both overpriced
1:44 5.4L. Not 5.6L
No its 4.6L