How to Keep Trail Arm Bent Through Impact
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2020
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Most good ballstrikers hav their trail arm bent at impact. So why do so man amateur golfers don't? In this video we talk about why that is and how we too can keep the trail arm bent through impact!!!
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Turn, turn, turn, turn, turn is a signature Larry Cheung drill that can fix a lot of swing faults.
I’ve watched other instructors, but I connect with the way you explain things. I think you are amazing and good for my golf game!
Me too! Thank you Larry!!
You are very welcome, thank you guys for watching and supporting the channel =)
So glad you are back! Great stuff as always.
You always do a great job of describing and explaining things in a unique way! Love the youth and energetic approach you bring to your videos. Thanks from Texas!
The one thought that I found help with this is (for a righty) pinning the top of the left arm against the left peck (which you mentioned). As a result strike improves, does happen later and ball flight is a push draw. Thanks Larry
You are by far the best golf coach online. This is going to be a very big piece of the puzzle to get me into low single figures
I cast the club and keeping that right elbow bent is going to make training super fun
Yet another simple to follow excellent advice. Completely different to the pull the bell advice which leads to the arm straightening. Thanks off to try it.
I’m sure you have a secret camera at my driving range!
Your drills always seem to address the issues I’m having!
Great clarity as ever. I’m going to incorporate this into the other drills from your “build your own swing”.
Yesterday in my comp, I just thought about “swat and turn turn turn tutututurrrnn”... and hit it great, thanks Larry!
Killer as always Larry 🏌️🤙🏻
smart moves you have there larry thanks was helpful
Great video - interesting for me because this is very much what I am working on with my coach but coming at it from a slightly different method. We are trying to promote much more rotation by trying to get the club to exit from impact much lower and much more left (if I do not do it then typically my path is 8-9 degrees right) and to do that we are concentrating on feeling the club handle move around my body with the hands not doing any flipping over. Within 10 minutes I had moved the path from 8-9 degrees right to about 2-3 degrees right - sadly only with 1/2 swings so far and rather inconsistently. I see many hours on the practice ground with 1/2 swings and a 8i!
Either way the result is at impact I am massively more rotated, the lead arm is straight but the rail arm has a touch of flex in it - the strike feels much more powerful as well, proper ball compression
Good video! I find that bending the trail arm actually helps to engage the hips and legs
Nobody:
Larry: “Turturturnturnturtuturnturnturnturntur”
😁 great stuff!!
Tried this move and got the look I wanted but not the right ball flight/ direction. Will work on it more. Thx.
Hey Larry, I really like three things about your videos:
1. you're explaining very well how misconceptions of golf swing dogmas hurt rather than help the average golfer.
2. you're able to transport the most important aspect in your own words very quickly.
3. you're always coming straight to the point without the "please subscribe to my channel" or "check out my website for the whole paid programme" bs.
Apart from that I believe you have a very deep understanding of the golf swing in general.
Please keep it up!
Oh and one thing for the suggestion box: video about "is a very strong left hand grip (like Matt Fitzpatrick) a viable option for amateurs if you struggle to create a flat or even bowed left wrist at impact?"
Larry, I must say you've nailed it! I've been looking for this explanation to understand the how and the why of the movement rotation relationship between the arms and body for for both the backswing and downswing. I've always known that the elbow must be bent as a key to better ball striking, but no one every showed how much and the timing of when to do it.
You've managed to depict the entire topic in a short video clearly and easily repeatable format. Well done and thank you!
Might I suggest a video(s) of addressing the ball? Things like:
1. Foot placement - pressure/balance of toes and heels, width stance, breadth and depth distance in relation to the ball,
2. Club head position in relation with the ball - should it be square to target? - should the club head be toe up at address?
3. Top of the club handle position in relation with the body and ball - should it be vertical or slightly forward and how much?
4. Grip - strong, neutral, weak - how far down the shaft should one grip? 1 Inch, 2 inch, ...
5. Body posture - knees, arms, back, hands, bottom, head - how and what to relax before the backswing starts
Keep up the good work!
will add that to the suggestion box =)
Good one,
If we could see it all the way through follow up
A tip that I found online for this is that from the top of the backswing the right hip & right shoulder, for a righty, get back to the ball before the club head without your head moving forward.
I was having this problem and I’m so happy to see this video appear, it helped me so much. Thank you! Larry, does this move help promote a lower launch angle (deloft club) ? I find I’m hitting it abit high launch and is looking for a way to lower the launch (hit down at the ball) without using the feeling of my hands and this activating it and I feel this move would help
It may promote lower launch depending on the player =)
The mental image of the arms being in exactly the same structure at impact as at the top of the backswing is really helpful. The rotation has to happen and it does naturally.
Another thing I need to work on🤣🏌️♂️
This is the only video I have seen that actually shows how the right arm and rotation are tied together. Can't count how many hours I have wasted trying to drop my arms into the slot and rotating incorrectly, instead of turn, turn, turn, tuning............ and keeping my right elbow bent longer.
do not drop your arms into the slot haha =)
Great as always!!! How do you get a steeper angle of attack by just rotating? In this drill you seem to be VERY shallow though I know it is an intended exaggeration.
Email me Dr. Q I emailed you =)
Hi. Can you make a video on how not to open clubface in the downswing
''Turn, turn, turn, turn, turn'' the hit desire will be so great that one may just release evety thing early to overcome it! But if it is achieved with right side bend and tilt, with practice it is wonderfully liberating!
When I keep the structure and turn, the shaft goes out while your shaft is extremely overly shallow in this drill example. I guess we need to keep the arms structure but the left wrist goes into flexion and ulnar deviation? Thanks for the video!
that could definitely work =)
5 stars! Great explanation 👌 thank you. Very nice break down of the areas to focus on. Turn turn turn....
Lee Westwood is an example of someone with very little rotation that still has a bent trail elbow.
good tip! no way to throw the club from the top with a bent trailing arm.
So from the top your basically holding the right arm and wrist structure as you rotate down ?
if that's what you need to think or feel, maybe =)
@@LarryCheungGolf this is a great video! That's always the hard part in the golf swing. Knowing what to do and how to swing is a little more obvious, but generating a feel that can repeat that motion during a very fast and complex motion is tough. Time to tinker
Same arm position for the driver?
Good question..
yup =)
Hi Larry, new sub here. Can you do a video on how to prevent getting stuck as a compliment to this?
theres a video or 2 that was already done about that you can look for in the channel, but will be revisiting this topic soon =)
I think it is interesting that the 2 best players of the last 20 years (Phil and Tiger) both have straight trail arms at impact (at least for most of their careers).
I've looked at a ton of videos. These two are bent. No doubt but not as much as some.
But like where does speed come from?
legs, body, good sequence =)
Rotate rotate rotate!! Great video. Don't use your arms! Rotate body.
The guys at Athletic Motion Golf, using the GEARS full-body sensor system (search their youtube videos), and analyzing actual Pros swings, dispelled the myth or idea that you keep the structure or keep the hands up at the beginning of the downswing - in fact, the opposite is true. Two of the biggest differences in Pros vs AM swings is that Pros accelerate in the 1st foot of the downswing their hands MUCH faster than AMs, and they also apply MORE twisting force on the grip early. It is this MUCH faster transition hand speed that Pros do (not keeping the structure) that actually delays & increases the angles in the hands and wrists, that then, with head drop and increased Right Side Bend, allows for more power to be delivered into the ball with a faster accelerating clubhead (more time for the clubhead to accelerate as the hands accelerated faster early leaving more distance for the clubhead to continue to accelerate as it is still MUCH further away from the ball with the INCREASED wrist angles due to the loaded wrist force at the top/transition). So if you want to be able to get into and tap that increased rotation and bent right arm sources of power, Pros transition very, very hard and fast from the top - this delays the clubhead from unloading because you moved your hands downwards FASTER - not slower
There are different feels/intents for different golfers. AMG is good at what they do, I am good at what they do. This video may not be for you and that's ok, we can agree to disagree =)
@@LarryCheungGolf good and diplomatic answer. Maintaining the structure does not mean to be slowly with your hands in relation to your upper or lower body I think. By maintaining the structure the hands are some kind of left behind and they move in the direct vertical downwards direction. But you do not intend them to move downwards!!! That is a very big difference. If this `key move, that you are teaching` happens by itself then the result will be, in my understanding, faster hand/gripspeed in the way down. The AMG guys and their results of examination are correct I think, but the conclusion how to get there is that you have to maintain structure, as you are teaching!
They can show the 20mph movement of the grip in transition but not specifically what muscles are being used. They also contradict each other on the topic. The larger man seems to think they are pulling down but the other specifically says it’s not a pulling motion but a well sequenced downswing with soft shoulders. The downward force on the grip is there it’s just getting done by squatting shifting and turning with some gravity also acting on the sinking hands. You can try for yourself to see exactly what happens when you pull. You are fully turned in your backswing weight shifted to the trail foot, hands are the furthest from the target just past your trail heel. Now that your mass is completely away from the target you’re going to put that force down on the part of your body that is the furthest away from the target and your COG right before you want to send everything you have towards the target. Sounds counter intuitive to me already. You will notice that this action creates a reaction to the spine. It literally gets pulled down and away from the target by your hands. This creates a shallowing effect, moves your head away from the ball and will most likely result in a chunk, push or hook. Look at DJs swing face on I’m pretty sure he’s an AMG guy. You will notice his hands barely move that by the time his lower body is back to square. If he was consciously pulling down in transition his hands would be much lower by knees square and you can just see that is not what he is doing.
@@obito8950 you've got a few things factually wrong which lead to a bunch of wrong conclusions. You stated that when your back is fully turned and when your hands are furthest from the target that your weight has shifted to the trail foot - that is not true - that happened well before that (in the first 1-2 feet of the take-away) - by that point, Pros have already moved OVER 50% of their weight back to the front foot (in fact sometimes over 100%, even 200%, with weight drop) - most pros start their downswing the millisecond after the club gets to 1st parallel - just like a baseball pitcher is moving towards home-base as their hand is still going back. The only thing that can apply force to something is something that is touching something - thus by definition, your hands are providing force to the grip - the ability to do is definitely being aided by other parts of your body - but the data clearly shows that the butt-end of the grip in a Pro swing vastly out accelerates & twists when compared to an AM swing - even if ultimately, for example with a 7 iron, both Pros and AMs get to a mid 20mph mile an hour hand speed, Pros get to this speed far faster -> and as a result, everything that follows is now possible - > the clubhead has a longer time to accelerate into the ball, they can drop their weight then straighten the front leg creating more vertical force, they can use right side bend with head drop to offset the bent right arm and forward shaft lean for increased ball compression, etc, etc, etc. There are an infinite many things happening in a chain that creates the horsepower - but horsepower comes from multiplying Torque with elements of speed - and the very first and most important of these is to get the body ready to move the hands as fast as possible. For what it's worth, my analogy on one of their videos was that of a race car and getting the lowest lap times possible - the key is to exit the corner that leads to the longest straight as fast as possible so that this speed is multiplied down the straight-away. To see this in action, just look at the difference in Bryson's old and new swing - while so much of the new swing is actually incorporating everything that Nicklaus did, what you see as by far the biggest difference is in the transition at the top - it's crazy violently fast as he uses everything in his body to change the direction of the club as fast as possible and hit maximum acceleration in the 1st 12 inches of the downswing - in fact, his new swing is finished (ball hit), just the tiniest bit after his old swing started the 'slow' transition at the top. If you want power and distance, you have to throw everything at it (your entire body), through your hands as fast as you can in the transition at the top.
Paul O'Neil I know how many golf swings work you seem to think you know how the only golf swing works. All while basically agreeing with me anyway. My example is exaggerated with the weight fully on the back foot as everyone shifts weight different at different times in the swing. If anything that is how you would have a pro swing because to physically pull the club down for its initial one foot of movement you would have to delay the transition or your body will grab and move that club. At the point your hands are about to change direction they are the furthest part of your body from the target and if you pull from that point it doesn’t matter if you have completely fallen on your lead knee (rip your knee) the pull will tilt your spine. You are literally pulling a force down outside of trail foot what do you suggest that physics just take a night off?. You can always grab a club and try it for yourself it is a simple experiment. And I said not every pro twists/manipulates the face. I’m not wrong and AMG doesn’t work with every tour player. The twisting is used to shallow the club by giving it a more incentive to drop when you transition. If you need this twisting move you likely fire your hips at a very fast rate and it is a viable way to get on path. Also believe it or not there are more efficient ways to gain power in the swing that don’t involve ripping your hips as fast as possible with a bowed wrist. And to your final point Bryson does not fire everything all at once from the top no matter what he says he feels because you can clearly see his lower body squat shift and turn while the club is going back and that is what is grabbing the handle exerting the initial movement. The transition is so natural maybe he feels yeah the hands go from the top with my body but really his body was putting in work way before hand. You agree with me anyway the only thing you have wrong is the fact that the pro is physically pulling the club down with his hands and arms. The small dude at AMG specifically says what I am saying lol. The big dude has a god awful swing and said one time that I can remember that they are pulling down simply bc he saw it was moving 20mph. I will say this even if a pro player does in fact say they pull down on that butt end from the top (can’t think of one) their compensations are goated and shouldn’t be replicated.
Dangerous for most players. Arms get caught behind the chest.
Couldn’t focus on the tips with you fixing your hair every few seconds
Great video though. Big fan.
hahaha, hair got longer than I realized =P