If people acknowledge acts 6 as the beginning of the deaconate and they chose all men, how does that support women deacons? Also, most Bible translations translate the passage as wives but people also revert to what it may be translated as women, which I have never seen yet. If it is not an office, why do you need qualification?
What about Romans 16:1-2 “I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea;” Look up the Greek for “servant” in that text.
I don’t think these “men” have a very good understanding of the office of Deacon. I think they equate this office as one of a Presbyter. Or a an office having spiritual authority. But I see the office of deacons to be designed as a means of dividing the work of the church to those who have exceptional administrative skills or talents in serving a purpose of the church’s daily needs such as maintenance, cleaning, care and hospitality. Finance, food distribution, giving to the poor, donating to ministries.
The word deacon goes beyond "servant." You don't need a title to serve, now do you? The title deacon denotes a position of authority as well as service. Stop looking for a loophole because you don't have the guts to tell a woman her place.
DP, We are all servants in HIS Church, female and male, all are made in HIS Image. Phoebe was a faithful servant, regardless of Office or gender, all members are “servants”. However, the gender for Pastors/Bishops/Elders/Overseers and Deacons is male, this is stated in HIS Eternal, Unchanging Scriptures. Phoebe, had an unknown assignment, Paul didn’t reveal specifics, but it wasn’t the ministry assigned to the 7 (seven) Deacons, their only responsibility can not be shared, neither can it be usurped. The Office of Pastor and the Office of Deacon are separate, each having their responsibility to the Lord while serving in His Church. The Apostles didn’t give the responsibility of “the daily ministration” to the Pastors, nor to the congregation(s). The 7 Deacons in each local autonomous congregation have the responsibility to distribute the Lord’s money. Acts 4:34-47; 6:1-7 Acts 6:3 “this” business is singular Acts 6:4 the Apostles, which are ordained Gospel Ministers, like Pastors, are not to be involved with the money. DP, Blessings.
I don't find the word "deaconess" in my Bible. I can find this, "Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife....." I am wondering how a woman can be the "husband of one wife"?
Are you saying that only married men with children can qualify for the office of deacon? Would that mean that the Apostle Paul is disqualified from such an office?
@@hardcoreveritas5648 Paul wrote: "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am" (1 Corinthians 7:8). Further, the qualifications for deacons laid out in 1 Timothy state: "He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive" (1 Timothy 3:4). Do you have a Scripture reference for your views?
Look harder. Romans 16:1-2 Look up the Greek for the word “Servant” some bibles also have a footnote related to that word which is “Deaconess”. Now, once you have done that. You will need to ask yourself what the true meaning of deacon really means. I believe the qualifications for a male deacon are laid out more strictly because of the headship all males are called to by God. God requires more from men. Plus I find it is of good reason the qualifications laid out by Peter to males is due to the often poor habits men find themselves into as younger and unmarried. They certainly do not hold to much of the same virtues as God fearing woman of the same age. 😂
McArthur is wrong on this. While the word in 1 Tim 3:11 can be either women or wives the context is wives. - Wives or Women in verse 11 ✅Wives: Consistent with context. 1 Tim 3:2,12 🟥Women: Inconsistent with context - One set of deacon requirements ✅Wives: Yes. 1 Tim 3:11 is appropriate for the wives of deacons. 🟥Women: No. Women requirements are different from the men. - Women cannot have authority over a man 1 Tim 2:12 ✅ Wives: Deacons have authority. 🟥 Women: No. Or Deacons have no authority. Then why have them? Why have a test for authority (Managing your household)? - Requirements for the spouses of Elders and Deacons ✅ Wives: Yes 🟥Women: No. Ultimate Responsibility for Household ✅ Wives: Husband - Ephesians 5:22-24 🟥 Women: Shared Use of “Likewise” to introduce new group ✅Wives: Elders, Deacons, Wives of Elders and Deacons ✅ Women: Elders, Deacons, Women Deacons No Possessive Pronoun in verse 11 ✅ Wives: Refers to Wives of Deacons and Elders ✅ Women: Refers to Women Deacons Phoebe a servant or deacon ✅ Wives: Servant - consistent with 1 Timothy 2:12 🟥 Women: Deacon - contradicts 1 Timothy 2:12 Consistent with Paul’s culture (Acts 6 & Jesus disciples) ✅ Wives: Yes 🟥 Women: No Consistent with today’s culture 🟥 Wives: No ✅ Women: Yes In summary, if you take 1 Tim 3:11 to refer to wives, everything makes sense except it is contrary to our culture today. If you take 1 Tim 3:11 to refer to women you have a whole lot of problems you have to try to explain away. It is my position that these Scriptures are very clear and easily understood by anyone. They do not require special understanding of Greek and grammar to reach the conclusion that Paul intended, namely that elders and deacons are to be qualified men.
Well ...Mr "the GODpicture" the Church is not a building ,....are the ones who THE CREATOR LORD GOD through HIS SON JESUS THE CHRIST CHOSE TO FORM HIS CHURCH ! With all respect for the TRUTH of the Bible and KNOWLEDGE of "mind of CHRIST " ....(Is my favorite fraze mentioned by Paul Apostle )
AMEN guy on the right! Phil? Johnny Macs book on this is excellent. There is no greek word for wife. Just women and possessive pronouns. And the word likewise is important! Yes, (mother maiden crone) deacon is servant. She can hold the mysteries of the faith as in the office, an office of service.
Again Justin Peters doing the work of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, at least he isnt making another video telling us how everybody else is doing it wrong while he doesnt do it at all...Thank you Justin more people are sick of the church because of your tireless contribution to petty nothingness. While you guys are chopping lines of Pharasee dust can you please help us with these important topics while the Country is going to hell in a handbasket... What chapter and verse tell us to have church buildings? Which chapter and verse tell us that Pastors are to lead the Church, perform weddings, funerals,and preach from a pulpit on a stage? Which chapter and verse tells us about the board of directors?
All of you are totally wrong. Deacon is a office of leadership in the church. It's a ruling office. He makes decisions agreeable with the Bible and he makes it know to the apostle prophet. Deacon is an extraordinary office.its a position of authority.
There's no such thing as a women's Deacon. Many churches as water down men office call Deacon it's extraordinary work to oversight the church of Jesus Christ who's God almighty.
What kind of Mayonnaise do you recommend for the church roof?
If people acknowledge acts 6 as the beginning of the deaconate and they chose all men, how does that support women deacons? Also, most Bible translations translate the passage as wives but people also revert to what it may be translated as women, which I have never seen yet. If it is not an office, why do you need qualification?
This topic is exhausting. The bible is clear.
Can women just sit down and know their role? I’m a woman, and I’m good with what the Bible teaches! Why is it so hard?
What about Romans 16:1-2
“I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea;”
Look up the Greek for “servant” in that text.
I don’t think these “men” have a very good understanding of the office of Deacon. I think they equate this office as one of a Presbyter. Or a an office having spiritual authority. But I see the office of deacons to be designed as a means of dividing the work of the church to those who have exceptional administrative skills or talents in serving a purpose of the church’s daily needs such as maintenance, cleaning, care and hospitality. Finance, food distribution, giving to the poor, donating to ministries.
The word deacon goes beyond "servant." You don't need a title to serve, now do you? The title deacon denotes a position of authority as well as service.
Stop looking for a loophole because you don't have the guts to tell a woman her place.
DP, We are all servants in HIS Church, female and male, all are made in HIS Image. Phoebe was a faithful servant, regardless of Office or gender, all members are “servants”. However, the gender for Pastors/Bishops/Elders/Overseers and Deacons is male, this is stated in HIS Eternal, Unchanging Scriptures.
Phoebe, had an unknown assignment, Paul didn’t reveal specifics, but it wasn’t the ministry assigned to the 7 (seven) Deacons, their only responsibility can not be shared, neither can it be usurped. The Office of Pastor and the Office of Deacon are separate, each having their responsibility to the Lord while serving in His Church.
The Apostles didn’t give the responsibility of “the daily ministration” to the Pastors, nor to the congregation(s). The 7 Deacons in each local autonomous congregation have the responsibility to distribute the Lord’s money. Acts 4:34-47; 6:1-7
Acts 6:3 “this” business is singular
Acts 6:4 the Apostles, which are ordained Gospel Ministers, like Pastors, are not to be involved with the money.
DP, Blessings.
I don't find the word "deaconess" in my Bible.
I can find this, "Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife....."
I am wondering how a woman can be the "husband of one wife"?
Are you saying that only married men with children can qualify for the office of deacon? Would that mean that the Apostle Paul is disqualified from such an office?
@@junomacguff3442 Yes. Children were not mentioned. Paul was married as all Pharisees were.
@@hardcoreveritas5648 Paul wrote: "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am" (1 Corinthians 7:8).
Further, the qualifications for deacons laid out in 1 Timothy state: "He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive" (1 Timothy 3:4).
Do you have a Scripture reference for your views?
Look harder.
Romans 16:1-2
Look up the Greek for the word “Servant” some bibles also have a footnote related to that word which is “Deaconess”.
Now, once you have done that. You will need to ask yourself what the true meaning of deacon really means. I believe the qualifications for a male deacon are laid out more strictly because of the headship all males are called to by God. God requires more from men.
Plus I find it is of good reason the qualifications laid out by Peter to males is due to the often poor habits men find themselves into as younger and unmarried. They certainly do not hold to much of the same virtues as God fearing woman of the same age. 😂
@@jeremiahharris5002 Find me where a "deaconess" can be" the husband of one wife."
McArthur is wrong on this. While the word in 1 Tim 3:11 can be either women or wives the context is wives.
- Wives or Women in verse 11
✅Wives: Consistent with context. 1 Tim 3:2,12
🟥Women: Inconsistent with context
- One set of deacon requirements
✅Wives: Yes. 1 Tim 3:11 is appropriate for the wives of deacons.
🟥Women: No. Women requirements are different from the men.
- Women cannot have authority over a man 1 Tim 2:12
✅ Wives: Deacons have authority.
🟥 Women: No. Or Deacons have no authority. Then why have them? Why have a test for authority (Managing your household)?
- Requirements for the spouses of Elders and Deacons
✅ Wives: Yes
🟥Women: No.
Ultimate Responsibility for Household
✅ Wives: Husband - Ephesians 5:22-24
🟥 Women: Shared
Use of “Likewise” to introduce new group
✅Wives: Elders, Deacons, Wives of Elders and Deacons
✅ Women: Elders, Deacons, Women Deacons
No Possessive Pronoun in verse 11
✅ Wives: Refers to Wives of Deacons and Elders
✅ Women: Refers to Women Deacons
Phoebe a servant or deacon
✅ Wives: Servant - consistent with 1 Timothy 2:12
🟥 Women: Deacon - contradicts 1 Timothy 2:12
Consistent with Paul’s culture (Acts 6 & Jesus disciples)
✅ Wives: Yes
🟥 Women: No
Consistent with today’s culture
🟥 Wives: No
✅ Women: Yes
In summary, if you take 1 Tim 3:11 to refer to wives, everything makes sense except it is contrary to our culture today. If you take 1 Tim 3:11 to refer to women you have a whole lot of problems you have to try to explain away. It is my position that these Scriptures are very clear and easily understood by anyone. They do not require special understanding of Greek and grammar to reach the conclusion that Paul intended, namely that elders and deacons are to be qualified men.
Excellent explanation.
Why does Phil ignore the expression “husband of one wife” when he responds to that very statement?
Deacons and Deaconesses are NOT spiritual offices but physical only, certainly deserving respect but not leadership roles, female nor male.
Yes!!! Thank you!! A deacon is not a Pastor or Presbyter.
Well here's some radical fundamentalists!
Can women be deceived!
Yes apostle paul mentions it!
Well ...Mr "the GODpicture" the Church is not a building ,....are the ones who THE CREATOR LORD GOD through HIS SON JESUS THE CHRIST CHOSE TO FORM HIS CHURCH !
With all respect for the TRUTH of the Bible and KNOWLEDGE of "mind of CHRIST " ....(Is my favorite fraze mentioned by Paul Apostle )
No.
AMEN guy on the right! Phil? Johnny Macs book on this is excellent. There is no greek word for wife. Just women and possessive pronouns. And the word likewise is important!
Yes, (mother maiden crone) deacon is servant. She can hold the mysteries of the faith as in the office, an office of service.
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Sure they can, Justin is.
I don’t follow; Justin Peters is a man, yes?
Again Justin Peters doing the work of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, at least he isnt making another video telling us how everybody else is doing it wrong while he doesnt do it at all...Thank you Justin more people are sick of the church because of your tireless contribution to petty nothingness.
While you guys are chopping lines of Pharasee dust can you please help us with these important topics while the Country is going to hell in a handbasket... What chapter and verse tell us to have church buildings? Which chapter and verse tell us that Pastors are to lead the Church, perform weddings, funerals,and preach from a pulpit on a stage? Which chapter and verse tells us about the board of directors?
All of you are totally wrong. Deacon is a office of leadership in the church. It's a ruling office. He makes decisions agreeable with the Bible and he makes it know to the apostle prophet. Deacon is an extraordinary office.its a position of authority.
Only among Southern Baptists and other Congregationalist churches, not the New Testament.
There's no such thing as a women's Deacon. Many churches as water down men office call Deacon it's extraordinary work to oversight the church of Jesus Christ who's God almighty.