Rejecting Scientology's Vocabulary
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You control the language ....you control the group....total brainwashing for sure! Best video ever, A A Ron. Love and respect you both...peace!
@@relativetimeworx8459100% agree with you
I sure understand how language can be changed it like changing the script...in your life ..your words change your action
It really is a process isn’t it to make sense of who you are, especially for the poor kids thrown into it from birth.
I was 'clear' at age 12. It fu*ked me up really good. Still dealing with it at age 52.
@@ianwalton284I hear you. I'm about your age and I'm still coming to terms with the abuse I suffered in the SO.. It's a process.. I think being utterly brainwashed that we should be able to make it go right on our own always and if we didn't there was something wrong, is part of what stopped me from reaching out for help. The other part for many is the idea that the mental health field is evil. I finally let my guard down enough to get help and I'm so thankful I did. It's been a total game changer - where I'm no longer struggling to be myself. Lots of self love now and that's what I needed for true healing. I wish you every bit of love and kindness ❤
I didn’t like watching this live because I hate it when Aaron is trying not to cry, it breaks my heart
I totally understand what that guy is saying. Just saying.
I absolutely adore this guy. He’s fantastic.
Scientology has done so much damage!
It's worse than you think.
Fantastic Episode!! 💯👏👏
Finding real world words to replace the Scientologies is vital for healing
Yes! I think all the people who have left that crap should help each other find new thought patterns. We can also lend a hand with our lack of exposure to that horrid cult outside of those talking smack about it.
Take "CIAntology" for Instance please..
@@wilfriedmeiner2313 ha! That’s a good one
Reading those books are very difficult to interpret what LRH was saying He had his own definitions for an english vocabulary and different meanings to mere mortals!!! Engrams galore! aka PTSD
I really like this brilliant gentleman! And after watching to whole interview, as a veteran with diagnosed PTSD, hearing him talk about how it am injury…made me very hopeful that I won’t feel like this for the rest of my life!
My father in law is a Vietnam combat vet who was a literal Guinea Pig for psych drugs for the VA in the 80's. 25 years ago there was no way I would leave a child in his care because a good day could go bad in an instant. He still had a lot of issues but was no longer violent (my husband had a very violent childhood) and had significantly less flashbacks than former years. He did both individual and group therapy for several years. Over time he has gotten off the meds and therapy, has no flashbacks, and has become a man I can trust 100% to leave my child with. He still has his demons but they no longer have a hold over him or ruin his days.
The brothers in his group therapy became a great source of mutual support. The friendships that formed went to the extent that our families could contact eachother if our vet needed his brothers to show up. Sometimes their presence de-escalated situations, sometimes they would validate it was time to go in.
I tell you this just to give you a bit of hope. I have seen somebody get significantly better, so I know it is possible.
BTW... it's Veteran's day and I honor you!
Same here same here
Oh my goodness; I love this guy.
He's supplanted Sterling as my new crush.
Such a breath of fresh air from this man.words worth listening to and thinking through.
People handle trauma differently. I understand what he’s saying, but he’s not an activist. So his statement comes from a different place. But he gets a bit off into the weeds as even a thing you don’t like, an abusive cult is still a cult. You can wish it away or refuse to talk about it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It is still a very real cult, abusing people left and right. Saying it doesn’t exist takes away the responsibility of doing something about it. It’s ok to distance yourself from it, to handle your trauma the best way you know how. But not acknowledging it’s very real existence is not helping stopping it and it feels disrespectful to all the very strong people who fight every day to end the suffering. He has a right to his reactions and his way of dealing with it, and other people do too. He’s a little all over the place in how he talks about it, bit he ends up sort of in the right place. Even though it hurts to see how he’s still living so much inside the pain, while trying to push it away.
“It’s just faeces”. This guy 🌟
I’m going to rewatch that live again and again! There was so much interesting information.
Language matters for the purposes of communication. For instance: Even if I don't believe in the sky, if a good number of people do, I will have to use the word "sky" with them to be understood. If I approach others with my own made up vocabulary based on my beliefs I am making it harder for people to understand what I mean. So, I think his desire to completely lose the word "Scientology" or "Scientologist" is quite disingenuous. It's out there in the popular lexicon. Now, he could freely use the words and elaborate on what his views on the subject matter are. But avoiding the words altogether makes him look a bit off. Sorry. I don't mean to insult anyone. I just thought or felt like I was looking at total avoidance as a coping mechanism - not an expert, but I tend to avoid matters sometimes and this felt familiar.
I need a Xanax?! 😳
I thought i was the only one. This guy is a bit much. It seems he’s adding an unnecessary battle (too-may-tow 🍅vs. ta-mah-tow🍅), even tho the goal is the same.😒
Dude is angry-I get that.
His stridency and enraged delivery, however, are off-putting and undercut his valuable message.
Omg Ty... I thought I was the only one... While I feel for him just listening to him my anxiety is through the roof... 😞
@@perfectlyimperfect5879find ur safe space.
im on board with this thread. Give me reese all day
The whole interview with Jamie is a masterwork...
Exactly right! It took me two years to get the vocabulary out of my mind.
Welcome out!
I'm sorry, that made no sense to me at all. But if that helps his recovery, good for him.
That's it, lose the verbiage and they lose the control
Absolutely
The Scientology language is one of the silliest and most obnoxious things about the cult. (As is Tom Cruise.)
you're gonna enterbulate someone with that comm cycle.
@@Moishe555😂👌
Wow so much anger. So much anger. My heart goes out to Jamie.
Yes anger is healthy here wake up
Yeah. "A difference that makes no difference IS no difference."
SPTV💙
Hey Aaron, Is there a full lenght of this video? Finally catching up on your show. This is so interesting!
Yes there is. It’s almost three hours. From yesterday or day before. Not hard to find.
@@juliabrown5396 Thank you.
It's so good! I only meant to watch the first 5-10 minutes and ended up watching all three hours! And it was totally worth it!
I had an upset watching this but then I did a clay demo of a frankenstein monster covered and feces and vomit.
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6:03 No. He was not raised in NOTHING. He was born and, from that moment, began survival. He himself found being raised along the way. Do the math, but never diminish his perspective with loose language. [Sorry, dude, for talking on your behalf]
Never in, but to me, ex-scientologist describes a person with a conscience and a high degree of the kind of bravery most of us are never challenged to exhibit.
an ex-scientologist is simply someone in recovery from scientology
however, wherever, whenever you're born, raised, brought up, etc... all has a lasting and profound impact on the person you become - every single relationship you have along the way informs and contributes to molding that person - the relationship we all had with this thing is not nothing and the relationship we continue to have in our collective recovery from it is all very much NOT nothing
aaron may be giving it too much credit but jamie seems to be giving it none
Yes! I agree. Jamie’s mindset should be the goal for all of them eventually, but right now they should also help expose the cult if they can or want to. Jamie’s mindset is how I feel about a cult I have been watching my friends sink deeper and deeper into over the years that is so much more all-encompassing, but less physically restive than Scientolocrap (I don’t respect their praxis***) as I study it more and more to destroy it. Know thy enemy, but holy crap does it trip me out studying like I do. It’s so much more disturbing than Scientolocrap could ever dream of being.
It sounds like this guy is struggling with some serious mental issues. Praying you find the peace of Christ this Christmas
I was thinking of starting a religion called Cylontology. The levels would be Babylon 1 through 5. The devil equivalent would be Mother F'ing Hubbard.... The current ruler of Cylontology would be the Great Miscarriage.
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I think that NOT calling yourself an ex-scientologist, or not using the word “scientology” can be really confusing. Using abbreviations or short phrases makes communication a lot easier and faster.
HOWEVER, I completely agree that making up definitions for words that already exist is really culty, and it is one of the criteria for a high-control group. Learning and getting used to the real-world use of words is so freeing!!
WOW Very insightful, have removed so much BS Lingo from my everyday lingo that makes me feel better everyday in every way great Interview Aaron & Jamie , Keep on Keeping on 👍👍
While i have lots of sympathy for jamie, butchering the English language doesn't help anyone. People experiencing homelessness is just using more syllables than necessary when "homeless' works to convey the same information.
The difference is, his verbiage is specific to him, to fit his own needs while healing. He's not suggesting anyone else should do the same. People heal how they heal, and maybe we should just let them.
And may I add that it’s actually counter-productive bc it wastes time and ultimately takes away from the message itself that is trying to be conveyed. And when people feel they have to tell you over and over again 🙄 that they are not judgmental, then they are likely judgmental. Js
Acceptance of the language is giving credence to the concepts . I could not agree more with Jamie
Tomato, tomato.
Quit clutching your pearls.
@@moniquedelaney7958 like his point is literally that simple.. i guess using the terms to discuss said terms or explain what they describe, maybe? but they're often used in ways that give them credence as you put it
(kind of like when people say things like "a real alpha wouldn't care about being an alpha" to try and subvert or criticize the belief in the concept, when it itself implies "alpha males" are an actual thing)
I understand your insistent denial of this ridiculously made up construct. It is mind boggling how much they have kept these poor humans busy with bullshit activities that mean nothing.
Many years ago, I spent time in Clearwater for the sole purpose of looking to see if I could spot Scientologists in the wild… not my proudest moment, but I was so fascinated by them. I think it’s because can’t be hypnotized. Maybe it’s ADHD, but regardless, I just couldn’t wrap my head around the chokehold these weirdos have on otherwise normal individuals. Your channel makes me not have to gawk at them anymore (though some of them… 😆 I can’t help it)
Language is incredible important part in creating human culture and shaping behavior. He anger and disgust is palpable and I don’t blame him.
😂Abraham
Prophet
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I had to leave this post... I learned a LONG time ago that once you're out of a bad situation, blaming "them" for your "miserableness" doesn't cut it. I got away from my abusive family, I got away from Scientology, I got away from my abusive Ex, and then, my happiness or misery was entirely my choice. Man! This guy is ANGRY and, A-Aron, you have more patience than Job!
he has every right to be angry with his abusers and EVERYONE recovers at their own pace ;)
Why don't you research how ptsd works buddy. You are so ignorant. Anger is not a bad thing. It is is warranted. Ptsd is a neurological response to trauma
It makes no sense to be angry at someone expressing their anger.
Bye Felicia...
This is sort of what I was asking about before. The language, the culture sticks with you and it fundamentally affects the way you treat it all. Fascinating to listen to this open discussion on it.
A former hostage?
My alzheimer's ridden mother has finally forgotten the Scientology cult speak. Too bad she could not get it 20 years ago.
I get it. You don’t align yourself with something and give it validity when it isn’t a valid organization. Plus, all the special acronyms and scientologyisms is like a secret code just for COS. It makes members feel special and more enlightened. Stop using it.
Whew!
For anyone who wants to learn the skills of using your "second consciencience" like I think is the appeal of scientology to many who want to gain control over the "reactive mind" without the cult factor, lookup and learn relational life therapy as invented and taught by Terry Real.
Im sorry for your trauma, jamie. I'm really amazed how you use your words
Unbelievable story he has.
He's so right - we shouldn't define ourselves by something that was done to us, that we didn't even choose ourselves 👍
Having words for our past as descriptors, as explanation for others is great - but we shouldn't define ourselves by something we were subjected to without us consenting to it.
Judgement! A prescient video. Hope you're ok.
I thought that this was a Soft White Underbelly interview qhen I saw the thumbnail 🙃
It very likely could turn that way...
❤ I feel the anger of Jamie and I do understand him! I was drawn into Scientology when I was young.
I don’t think these uptight academics realize they are doing more damage than good with their insistence that everyone adapt to their language.
Right, especially college has became a indoctrination asylum,brainwashing people,teaching them what to think,instead of how to think- gotta stick to their narrative.
He is angry. Rightfully so. You can feel his pain.
Jamie = Ex-Nonsence
I find the language particularly interesting as a Brit. The so called shared language between Britain and the US couldn't actually be more different....for example, I cringe every time someone from the US refers to getting from a to b as a 'rout'....forgetting that the word is French in origin and has an 'e' on the end.....it's 'route ' pronounced 'root'....a 'rout' is a fight. The word colour has the u dropped , aluminium becomes aluminum etc etc. My point is that Hubbard took a remade language and remade it again (he was, after all a writer, allbeit a bad one) so you end up with these strange portmanteaus of dubious origin 😂
I feel like English is very consistent around the world. I'm learning German and the difference between dialects is almost night and day. And the vast majority of native German speakers all share the same continent it's not like they're spread out across the globe like English speakers.
11:15 wow Miss Scarlet loves Colonel Mustard
The cults feed the Church New Blood.
Hi 👋
I think that guy might need therapy
No human touch for 2 years?
3:15 love this Q&awesomeA
The guest makes interesting points. I would never tell somebody with no context of scientology that it’s “feces and urine”, that sounds a little cuccoo bananas.
But here is what I think he’s trying to say, and how I would explain it:
To say you’re “ex-Catholic, ex-Mormon, ex-wife, former CIA, former chef at McDonald’s, ex-military, etc” is to say that:
1. The organization is a legitimate organization, recognized in all legal, social, and internal ways. It performs a valuable function, it’s honest about its mission, it does what it says it does.
2. The person was a willing member of the organization, able to understand the true nature of their role in the organization and consent to it.
Scientology fails both 1 and 2, since it’s a legal web of shell organizations meant to hide the true nature of how the money is funneled and who is in control. Miscavige is the de facto head of Scientology but legally distanced from it, etc. Scientologists are made to sign contracts at a young age and are separated from the general population, so they have no context of their options to continue in it or not. Scientologists don’t understand that they are in a two-tiered trafficking cult, they don’t know how their fundraising efforts fuel lavish lifestyles for Miscavige. Sea Org members are taught false information (not just withheld from knowing) about OT level doctrines even as they help facilitate them.
So the guest says “scientology is not a thing” and it makes sense, in light of the above. The organizations you’re bound to as a scientologist don’t actually exist as organizations. There is no “ex-scientologist” because there is no “scientology”, just a web of affiliated legal placeholders to protect the elites and confuse the adherents.
The “feces and urine” is an emotional word more for his own benefit that anything. He wants to convey that scientology is a disease, it’s a plague, that it’s not to be touched. It’s something that happens to somebody, not something that develops inside their souls.
If you were an employee for a mafia-owned pizza shop, would you be ex-mafia if you quit?
6:40 emphasize *choose*
Interesting, but Jamie isn't really aware about how language works. It's a social thing. An individual can't just decide what a word means. They have to convince others, and I don't see his language meanings catching on.
5:38 NOTHING
im a huge fan Aaron but this guy's a real drama queen. 😄😄
You have to watch the full video. It's really good and he's not a drama queen.
The entire interview is a masterwork.
I love your channel but when I started I noticed that the Scientology argot was very rough. Not buttery but more like a saw blade.
What a great guest.
So intelligent and articulate
Love Jamie he's got it right 🤣
This first is just tiresome. Lots of noise but never actually makes a coverage point because he just wants to argue about symantics but not have a real point. Please don't invite him on the channel again.
Seems pretty comprehensible to me
Woke colleges use cult language as well. Their control is always compassion based.
what's wrong with compassion?
@@tussk. Watch James Lindsey’s podcasts. You’ll get a PhD on all things woke. His coverage is much more than academia, but academia is the main hypodermic to injecting it into the general public.
Yes, wokeness is a similarly fecal and uric ideology. It’s also based on false categories of identity that aren’t rooted in reality, it distancing adherents from outsiders by othering dissent and downplaying contradiction, and controls minds by language manipulation and thought control. While scientology preys on the intellect and the esteem of a person, wokeness preys on their fear and their compassion, and other strong and reactive emotions. Both pretend to offer solutions to longstanding trauma through garbled myths and damaging rituals.
Scientology is cozy with the Islamic Brotherhood and woke people are holding Nazi rallies against Israel. Similar failures of outcome because both wokeness and scientology operate in similarly destructive ways.
Why are you even here?
Notice he said lefty,and Aaron interrupted - this is what Democrats are trying to do- control the words and meanings control the conversation.
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