Jenna Miscavige's Thoughts On Shelly Miscavige
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"Alrighty, then." That about sums up most revelations about scientology. Jenna's so charming and guileless. Thanks, A-Aron.
I can't believe the cops won't just go there and DEMAND to see this woman.
They did years ok and they said she was safe, but not everyone believes they found her.
I’ve never been in a cult, but being a “casual student” of cult psychology (aka, being fascinated by the psychology of cult leaders and followers and watching documentaries of different cults) I am surprised you find it so difficult to believe that DM having an extra marital affair would be the breaking point for people -
Cult leaders always operate by a different set of rules then the followers, and most of the time they are way more abusive and double-standard-y then this extra-marital issue : look at Jim Jones or David Koresh, even Manson had different sex rules for himself then other male cult members. Controlling your members’ sex lives and libidos is such a powerful way for leaders to control their following, and being allowed to have a different set of rules for the leader seems to be part of the intoxicating part to cult leaders. It doesn’t surprise me that DM would want to do something his followers can’t do. And his followers are so under his control and have already sacrificed so much, that to them, DM having a different set of rules is just proof of his specialness, not a red flag of double standard
Hi I love Cult Psychology too && you are VERY knowledgeable. I have a Bachelors in Psychology && you'd be great in that field! Just a random internet stranger hyping you up!
That was a big reason Leah Remini began to question. She witnessed many higher ups within Scientology doing things at Tom Cruise's wedding which were not permitted. Being a loyal believer, she came home and wrote knowledge reports, then was subjected to months of auditing as publishment.
Yeah, I'm with you. Cult leaders get a zillion wives, etc etc.
Good points! I think it’s bc of the punishment for affairs i the Sea Org. I think it’s more likely you’re right, but that’s the reasoning I’ve heard.
@@Starry_Skye22you are sweet
The PTSD in her voice, just speaking about her experience and her memories. She seems to still be in fear of the potential repercussions.
I don't know much about Scientology but I've seen that with a lot of people who've spoken about it. They seem either very guarded or warry.
Legally, a wife is not required to testify against her husband so DM would not want to divorce her .
Laurisse knows as much or more than Shelly does.
This is a 14-minute excerpt from yesterday's 2-hour Q&A: ua-cam.com/video/XRWbtMfEh98/v-deo.html
I like the snippet style of this video. I’d recommend doing it more with lengthy interviews or lives you have done and want a specific topic highlighted. 👍
I thought during auditing they did things to provoke you and you need to be deadpan. Yet…Miscaviage cannot control his temper. Rather ironic?
LOL. Maybe he should give Marty another call to come audit him again.
I appreciate this snipit of the Live Video. It will make it easier to find in the future. Also I know some people just don't watch Lives, even afterwards.
Why is David Miscavige untouchable, legally? Dudes out here just disappearing folks like no big deal. Why is that?
Cuz he’s got enough people to not speak against him and even more who will willingly lie for him. 4th amendment privacies are pretty hard to overcome without some real evidence for things like search warrants.
Picture if your kids had a friend come to live with you temporarily (let’s pretend unstable/abusive home). Then you did whatever and buried than after a few days. You tell your kids they went home cause parents were angry and they likely were gonna be out of school for a few days. If that kid was known for undatable behavior, you’re good to go for a while.
Miscavige can show police contracts that Scientologists sign. Adults don’t normally even get considered missing for at least three days. There’s a TON of ways he can disappear people and never get caught so long as your minions don’t speak against you. Scary af imho.
Ps please don’t disappear your kids’ friends. Haha. Terrible thing. Protect each other. ❤✌️
Money and power
Because you have to be able to prove he is "disappearing folks", lol. Needing evidence is not a hard concept to grasp.
Yeah but Aaron who would have the balls to call Dave out for being with Lou while still being married to the wife he’s exiled?
I would.
But I know you're talking about scientologists.
I love Jenna's dry sense of humor. Like when A-Aron said he forgets what's in her book and she says,"Yea, me too. " She said it so deadpan than giggled . She is so damn cute. I have a crush on her.
Saviour syndrome
Who is Jenna to Dave?
I think David Miscavige is gay and I am kinda surprised no one talks about it
Ehh I don’t think he is. I just think he was one of those short kids who tried to overcompensate. Normally those guys turn into mostly harmless douchebags, but this guy hit the jackpot and took his fantasy to the top. I just think sex isn’t the way he wields that power.
About spousal rights: Doesn´t it make more sense that DM would stay married to Shelly because as the spouse you are freed from the obligation to be subpoenaed for any legal matters. Him staying married to her would mean she keeps her mouth shut.
Perhaps *Lou* has bigger dirt than Shelly, given the length of her absence.
@@ClearwaterKB so out of the frying pan and into the fire - serves him right.
Bingo @ClearwaterKB
That's assuming she WOULD talk and give up dm for his bad deeds IF they were divorced and the shitshow of scn explodes somehow. Also assuming, she is still a true believer and she would lie under oath to protect scn and dm. That's not unheard of. I think she's still a true believer and she does as she's told. When she is allowed out with handlers, I think she would say something, or hand a note to someone, or run to attract attention... IF she wanted to be liberated from her situation.
I mean...Shelly is dead, right? Not seen in 16 years and her powerful narcissistic husband with a history of violence and access to five large boats proof is "trust me, bro"?
She’s definitely dead!!!
Lots of them don’t even remember Shelly. Lots may not realise he was once married to someone else than his current assistent
I've spoken to people newly out of the sea org who have never heard of Shelly Miscavige.
@@GrowingUpInScientology that is insane when did they get in sea org
Considet the fact that Jenna was born into a cult that payed learning and schooling no mind, Jenna is a very sharp thoughtful person. I enjoy listening to her. She teeters when answering but always comes up with good answers.
And I love how she's careful not to give an idea more certainty than it deserves. She's clear what's conjecture yet could be true vs. what she knows firsthand, and the like. I respect that very much, and unfortunately, it's very rare in the world.
Other people in the comments are saying they like the short clip format, and I have to agree.
Many of us don't have the time to watch 1 - 2 hour long videos, so short clips of important or interesting segments of the original video are great and helpful to see.
You also have to consider the number of younger SO members who don't even know the name "Shelly Miscavige"...
Like Jenna pointed out, spouses have legal protections in which they cannot be compelled to testify against one another. That would explain why Dave and Shelly are still married
As Jenna says: I would not underestimate the double standard of David Miscavige and to some extent of Scientology! He can get away with almost anything. As Jenna says, there's a difference between being openly in a relationship or being in a relationship that some - even many like non-scientology business partners etc. - know of. A new wife would also have legal rights. I do not think that David Miscavige would accept (let alone respect and cherish) anyone as an equal partner. In my opinion, this is a guy that is incapable of being in a loving, healthy marriage. He may have a close bond with this assistant. The image towards the public is being handled and I think he's ok with it. He seems to be ok in his relationship with the other woman. People around him don't seem to be stopping it. Why should he change anything about that - even if he divorced Shelly. He could also be divorced from Shelly because he wanted to get the power back. And not be married to anyone but still wearing the ring to look better in front of the greater Scientology community and the public. Many would not even dare to enquire. Don't you think that getting married to Shelly may also have been (at least partly) to gain power and influence. David Miscavige seems like a pathologically, sociopathic (maybe even psychopathic, but I am no psychologist) person to me. I struggle to imagine that he does anything without self-interest.
Confusing about extra marital affairs when rape seems to be ok with them.
I struggle with the Shelley question. If anyone knows how to escape, it would be her. She'd know all the loop holes and blind spots. Yes, she could be miserable and being treated poorly but still be there by her "choice", right? Mike Rinder even pointed out that she's one of those who believe LRH is coming back one day. So she's staying by choice until he returns. But, she could sure stop the manhunt but just coming forward and assuring everyone she's fine and leave her alone. I'm torn. Finding Shelley is becoming like finding aliens. If they are here and WANTED to be found, they'd make themselves known and seen. I'm 50/50 with the Shelley obsession.
You’re ignoring the brainwashing she’s undergone. She may not WANT to stay but will because it’s the “best for Scientology”.
I've thought that too - that maybe she's accepting of where she is and is content to be there. I don't think DM would ever let her leave and that's where the dilemma comes from...IF she does want out he's never going to allow it. Even if she knows all the loop holes, etc. he'd have her snatched up and brought right back. I think that's where the continued interest comes from - we don't know what she wants (or if she's even ok).
Keep in mind they have handlers with her and guards
Why would she escape? She's a 100% true believer and she's got a good job doing work she believes in.
@ssl3546 yeah, I haven't been following this, but I recall the police following up years ago on concerns that something had happened to her and they reported she was alive and well and was there by choice.
Closest i ever got to being Scientologist was in a NYC subway station someone had me hold some rods and said "ah i see you're stressed" yeah no shit i live in NYC have a good one
I went to NYC for a concert a few years back (before the pandemic) and my best friend and I were walking down the street with my whole family (I got them all into my favorite band everyone wanted to go)
And a Scientologist gave my best friend and I their pamphlets so then we sent a picture of it to our buddies and we were like “we got recruited by a cult” then we started laughing like Beavis and Butthead
It was suggested that other influencing leaders (not at all sure of who these are) are of the thought that Lou is DM's current wife, then it sounds apparent that DM may very well have divorced Shelley at some time in the past. I would have thought this may well have occurred when Shelley was de-statused and sent off to a secure compound.
As an attorney’s daughter the ONLY way I can see it NOT being CA public record or any other state, would be if she’s truly passed.
I was googling the Miscaviges and found a new Nickname of "Darth Midget" for a certain someone.
Oooh, BURN! 😆
Jenna, so glad to hear your experiences and perspective on all things CoS. You may feel nervous but your voice and demeanor are very calming. Welcome.
It would be amazing reality tv to have cameras up in the celebrity center.
Did anyone see, The Master with Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman?
Jenna,You are such a joy to watch & listen to. You're stronger than you know. You see it once you look back in your later years. Memories will be flowing back too once your kids reach ages that were significant in your own youth. ❤🎉❤
Love you too A A Ron!
Someone needs to seek "proof of life" now and out in the open.
DM lies about everything else. He’s prob still legally married to Shelley. But he’s banished her. So he goes around saying he’s divorced and now with/ married to Lou. There’s no one around to refute it.
Fascinating. "Command" sounds so much like VXIVM's "Vanguard" name for their cult leader.
Absolutely!!
That was my first thought, too. More of the usual CoS linguistic BS. 🙄
But if DM had divorced and remarried so that it would look good in front of SeaOrg members in order for that to work, this would have to be public knowledge at least within SeaOrg, and thus wouldn't SeaOrg members who escaped in last 10 years have been able to just confirm this?
I wonder why MR does not think DM divorced Shelley? He could have very well done it at the same time he banished her to the base.
Devil’s advocate … so what if DM is out 2D , he doesn’t follow all of LRH’s rules anyway.
The answer is partly that Mike doesn't actually think DM is sleeping with Lou. If DM is NOT sleeping with Lou, then yes he probably is still married to Shelly. But if he IS sleeping with Lou, then it is almost unthinkable that he'd still be married to Shelly. More to come on this soon...
It’s not possible for them to be legally divorced and it not be known by the state of California. Now he could get spiritually married to Lu or whatever her name is without it being legal.
Claire showed a picture of Shelly in her messenger “uniform” and the consensus was that she was around 6-8
Aaron, you answered your own question. If there is no paperwork there is no divorce. I don't think you can keep that a secret it is public record.
How is Jenna a miscavage? In the geneology department? Just wondering
I do not understand why nobody faces the fact that the most likely scenario given all the facts is that Shelly is dead, probably killed. No need for divorce, police not called, everybody brainwashed into accepting his violence and his choices. Malignant narcissists are very dangerous, the end always justifies the means for them. Just another case of a spouse killing the other.
I don't know if annoys Jenna, but it annoys me that when you are referring to David Miscavige you call him "Miscavige" when you are talking to her. SHE is a Miscavige too!!!
Who cares.
Cope; your name is not Miscavage. Don't let it annoy you.
Aaron, since when did rules mean, anything to DM?? Rules for everyone else, but not for himself. That is not hard to believe at all. And if anyone questioned it, they could just get beaten, or worse. The double standard of DM and Scientology is mind numbing. It’s not hard for me to believe at all. But the question becomes… Then, where is Shelly? either she’s dead, or she’s been held captive. She knows way too much dirt. I think it’s the latter…..
If one of my family members went missing I definitely would be harassing the police 24/7. Cult or no cult.
He's kinda taking a page LRH's book regarding how he treated his wife
You can find out if they are divorced through the County’s Clerk Office
There are arguments for and against them being divorced - Shelly not being forced to testify against him in court is a big one, Leah and Mike think - but ultimately we're all speculating.
The fact that she’s missing, david should be held accountable. Let’s find this guy. We need a manhunt. We found bin laden, we need the same effort to find him
Need to send in Marine Force Recon or Navy Seals! Oh, wait...it would only take one of them, not a whole team... 😁👍
Aaron I’ll email u and be happy to reach out to the attorney generals in the states to see if there is a legal divorce on file
Has anyone thought! and its a horrible thing to say but could Shelly have been murderd. especially with all these yearsvpasding and we don't know where or even if she is anywhere... as long as he says NOTHING. there's is nobody questioning him. and he is evil enough to do something like that. Again I ask the question. Why havnt the law got involved and gone in there to look for her and question members and David ?? I still just don't understand all of this. I'd like to think if I was missing for years SOMEBODY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR ME. This is absolutely CRAZY
Seems like a high number of cult leaders sleep with whatever members they want.
Jenna, you don’t have to apologize for not believing in God. You are a good person.
agreed! good people are good. period. bad people are bad. period. believing in the tooth fairy or whatever creature doesn't change that fundamental aspect of personality. as someone raised in the cult of xtianity who has been recovering from it for decades, i assure you, the most loving, considerate, empathetic, caring, helpful people i know are atheists or anti-theists. and the most horribly abusive, egotistical, selfish, closed-minded, jiudgy people follow religions from which they pick & choose which "rules" they want to ignore & which they want to follow.
God has nothing to do with The Scientology Cult
No one has to apologise for believing in fairytales and you dont either.
@@erlinglarsen
Your Father....the Creator of the Universe....is a fairytale?? Hmmmm...
@@Mint-kj9kw not my father maybe yours the only Dad I have had died 24 years ago. You believe this because you've been brainwashed from birth with this fairytale.
I think there is a silver lining to the fact that DM is the head of Scientology, if the head of Scientology was a decent human being, that cult could be absolutely thriving. And being that it’s all a scam, that would be a bad thing.
you're right, his temper/ego/control freaking has only served to accelerate "the churches" undoing,
also, in this age, little tyrants are no match for the internet:
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Hey, we are a human trafficking cult, not a scam. Say you’re sorry!!!
Decent human beings don't become cult leaders, it's literally impossible
@@Qrtuop Ok, act like a decent human being.
@@AltDavidMiscavige 😆
Shelly hasn’t been seen in 16 years, are you saying people still consider them married? I thought it was assumed he was done with her and just not announcing his formal relationship status. If members haven’t seen Shelly in 16 years I don’t see why they would bat an eye at him dating someone?
jenna looks better now, she used to have that thousand yard stare. i imagine from the years of abuse and indoctrination
The only way SO would put up with DM being with Lou is that the SO knows DM is divorced. If SO knows, there is no ways it would still be a secret.
Just an idea, maybe David Miscavige was being so public with his affair as a power-play domineering sort of thing. Like he was showing off that he could get away with anything. That being said, if purity culture is deep within Scientology even that would be a big stretch. Or at least I’m assuming so based on my experiences Adjacent to a few churches/Christian sects like Mormonism
Well the visitor mentioned by Aaron said Lou was David's wife, and that would be something he was told. The visitor would have no reason to assume that as the names don't match. So the story told is, evidently, Lou is David's wife.
I honestly don't think Davy boy gives a & +%R& about what people think of him. He waaay too narcissistic... After all he has no problem beating people up n thinking it's ok
Aaron...who messed up today????
I get it but a little leading the witness ?
@@stevemew6955 I love when he says that
There is no way he could get divorced without people being able to easily look it up. All u have to do is request from the attorney general of California the martial status of Davis and Shelly Miscavage bc in order to get divorced u have to file with the attorney general of the state or states in which the parties reside in period. So a spiritual marriage one u get married in a church in not legal recognized which is why u have to go get a legal marriage certificate to be recognized as legally married. They could be spiritually married and Dave could have spiritually divorced Shelly bc he thinks he can do anything. But if Shelly ever Blows…. She is his legal wife if there is no legal divorce entitled in to half of everything. I hope she blows!!!!! Somebody go save her!
I always feel turn regarding Shelly. She definitely was neglected and then abandoned by her parents, put into an abusive cult and married a monster.
Other people left After seeing the horrors of David But she tolerated it . I again feel pity but she had choices.
The host’s hyper focus on David’s sexual relationship with his assistant and conjecturing whether or not he’s still married is annoying. I was hoping to hear, per the title, a discussion on Shelly and her absence.
Just FYI, Claire Headley said on her “Where is Shelly?” Series episode 15 (in her interview with me) that she discovered Shelly was in the CMO in Mexico around age 6.
I don't believe Dave would ever divorce Shelly because a wife cannot be forced to testify against her husband. I think Dave keeps that in the back of his mind just in case he is ever dragged into court. So if he is sleeping with Lou, he will probably deny it and everything else is speculative. IMO
She can choose to testify against him. Man’s she could no be forced even if divorced - about the married time.
@@merlinshouseoffreereadings4641 that's why she is kept at the compound. As long as she 'voluntarily' chooses to stay behind the gates; nobody can make her testify. Even for her own 'good'. She is considered a free person who can do as she pleases.
Wouldn't a divorce be public record?
'All right then, it's all so fucking weird' 😂
Keith renierre, the leader of nvixm, famously had a harem behind everyone’s back aside from the women in the harem so your theory about the assistant could be very well true
I am just so amazed that adults give away their power and sovereignty to ANY other human. Surely, they should know that these people are no better or higher than themselves! 🤨
Most people don't have good self esteem, why would you assume they do?
But ESPECIALLY to give over their children. It really should be illegal. It used to be worse, though. Do you know that Steven Tyler persuaded the mother of an underage girl to sign over her parental rights to him so that he could take her over state lines? Truly disgusting.
Most people are full of fear and shame. Many think of themselves as the worst people so to have others present themselves as knowing the answers to life and carrying themselves with so much confidence, it’s easy for the people with low belief in themselves to give over their power to these people. Most of these people presenting themselves as leaders and all knowing have disordered personalities. It’s the reason so many leaders in corporations and politics are sociopaths (a disordered personality). Sociopaths will do things that healthy people will not. It can come across as amazing confidence. And our society gives a lot of support to this because it rewards sociopaths.
I was wondering about this. Good to hear another point of view about Shelly
Interesting if David devorced Shelly in the church, but not legally. More Interesting if he never legally married her, or paid off to make the marriage not legally go through without Shelly knowing. Most Interesting if he illegally paid to legally have the marriage ended without Shelly knowing or having representation, but leaving any judges with loss of Judicial Immunity because of what they or their clerks did.
It's astounding Jenna and Dave have some of the same genes.
It's almost like they're family
Divorce records are usually easy to look up. I think she’s dead sadly 😢there’s been no contact with her by anyone for way to long.
Was Dave saving himself for Tom?
I read Jenna's book many years ago and the one thing I remember is her rescuing the man she later married. She is brave, strong, well spoken .
She’s a good person, Jenna. Unfortunately, she and her husband are divorcing. It happens to the best of us.
I wonder how these ex scientologists forgive their parents for raising them in this cult. I dont know if i would ever accept any excuse a parent would make about this decision.
Could Dave n bTom be 😘😘or am i addin 2 × 2 = 5???
Jenna has a beautiful soul.
In Tampa, where the sun's warm embrace does shine,
Lived Brad and his wife, in a love so fine.
In their cozy Tampa home, with couches wide,
A tiny earring went missing, nowhere to hide.
They searched and they scoured, a determined pair,
For that lost little earring, a gem so rare.
Tampa Brad and his wife, side by side,
In this couch adventure, their love could not hide.
The cushions were mountains, a vast terrain,
But in their unity, they'd conquer the pain.
With laughter and whispers, their bond was so strong,
In the heart of Tampa, where they truly belong.
In the end, the earring was found, shining bright,
A triumph for Tampa Brad and his wife, pure delight.
For in Tampa's embrace, where love's always near,
They'd cherish each moment, year after year.
Tom and David are clearly together
She is a delight! ☺️💖
Maybe he told people he was divorced? We know he’s not known for telling the truth. Lol
To the people in the hole: there is NO statute of limitations for kidnapping in California. Why don't you indict David Miscavige?
Morning
“i can’t call a woman lou”. seriously? you called women SIR in the SO.
Could it be possible that Shelley herself asked for divorce. She may have lost her rights as an exec but she would have legal rights as a spouse to ask so. David outcasted her afterall and this would be a good reason enough.
WHERE IS SHELLY?!?!?!?!
She’s on your cam show and you do more talking than the quest ..strange ,,rude
I’m sure I missed something but if she was no longer with us he wouldn’t need to divorce her????.
Shelly is most probably murdered.
I don’t believe Dave and Shelly are divorced. He’d had to give a financial settlement to his wife. David is being sued by former members he’s not going to want to make his financial affairs public (in court). They’re permanently separated. Dave banished her so her could couple with Lou. No advantage to Dave to divorce Shelly. He’s got everything he wants the way it is.
Don't you get it she is died. And you will never know.
The amount of acronyms in this podcast makes it unlistenable. It seems the moderator just wants a stage to gossip about crazy Scientology beliefs. The abuse is so apparent in Scientology.
I'm at the 10 minute mark and have yet to hear an acronym. Maybe I'm used to them but, so far, all I've heard is "Sea Org" and that's not an acronym.
Love you Jenna. You have an army
Love those who show reLIEgions for what they really are.
Is there evidence that Shelley is even still alive???
I just discovered about Jack Parsons, friend with Alseter Crowley, and Ron Hubbard... that is some REALLY SCARY STUFF. 😈
Love you Jenna. There’s NO way Dave is divorced with no public record
As leader of Scientology he can make new rules to get married spiritually
Yes but that does NOT mean he’s LEGALLY divorced.
@@annan.3283 he would also be practicing polygamy. Which is a whole nother ball of criminal.
Shit! I hope he never has to take the subway!
It's clear to me that Aaron and his group are wrecking Scientology. This is a mortal blow they won't recover from. Surprised that scam is still functioning..
Maybe he’s a latent homosexual