Ranking Every Legendary Special Weapon in Destiny 2 for Endgame PvE
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2023
- Before we move on to power weapons, ranking all the special weapons together was a highly requested video, so I decided to make one before we do machine guns!
Tier list: tiermaker.com/list/destiny-2/...
Scoring sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
DPS spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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No timestamps for this one since some weapons are talked about for so little time that UA-cam will not create chapters for them - Ігри
"I don't want this video to be 3 hours long" I mean... I would watch it. But I know it's a lot of work. Thanks for another great video!
I just played this upload on .25 speed and it basically does the job
I’d argue for Heritage to be in S tier as it’s good not only for damage, but for tanky yellow bars too, universally just good
same for succesion honestly
seeing it lower then fucking supremacy is WILD
@@frederikm.christensen8898I think ever since updated supremacy came out succession became a bit worse even if they are both rly good
@@TrainerCameron I consider supremacy to be a dps sniper and succession to be a major buster. Since snipers arent really a go to dps weapon i give the win to succession
@@nadeemg1831 fair enough
He knows his destiny gun names like some people know Pokémon.
I know em too 😼
They are just so dang unique
I love the list and content you’ve been putting out. You truly deserve the come up. I think you’re too focused on the void 3.0 perks on hollow denial. Lead from gold make the weapon a far better replacement for a primary than you give it credit for, especially since this is an end game tier list and you’re much more likely to run out of ammo with the other far higher placed traces in this list if you try to bring them into a master raid or grandmaster.
Lead from Gold is fine but that's still not enough to push it over the traces above it
I mean you can just use cenotaph and the other traces and use heavy xD
@Monty2017 Special finisher makes lead from gold not that good
@@ryanrobins945 huh? Im saying that you should USE other traces, not pick hollow over them.
edit: mb didnt see your edit
"i probably wont order the bottom two tiers within each tier" immediately proceeds to sub-order the next 6 c and d tier weapons
LMAO
Bro the consistency of quality content you’ve been pumping out is really impressive
Babe wake up my opinion on special weapons just got uploaded
Real and true
😂 TRUE
Love how after all your previous ranking videos you put all the pieces together. Great stuff!
Yesss keep the content comin! Just subscribed a few weeks ago cause of this similar series and you are literally my top 3 watched Destiny UA-camrs rn. I usually have trouble wondering what to use and these are helpful guides. You should do legendary primaries and heavies too
top tier video as always, might be subjective but well executed
An idea for a future video might be damage strategies for every raid boss. I know the spreadsheet has suggestions for speedrunning, but it would be nice to recommend something to the average joe in the average LFG that is not thunderlord.
I have a video in the DPS series that covers this, but I'll probably update it at some point
@@TheAegisRelic more than that im more excited for a Solo focused damage rotation video or even a Duo focus for low man things or just so you dont rely on others or if you dont have people to play with etc
Just a random observation: it's funny how Hollow Denial's usefulness is so tied to Volatile Rounds. In S20 we had Volatile Flow from Orbs of Power, and so you could just splash Hollow Denial into any build and suddenly you're getting an overshield on almost every kill with a borderline infinite-ammo trace that also does a bunch of AOE damage, making it easily the best trace rifle unless you specifically need Shoot to Loot. When that's not there, it suddenly becomes really niche--basically need Gyrfalcon to take full advantage of it, or maybe a really good Void grenade build.
voidlock on contraverse is def my fav build and i use hollow denial with echo of instability
Contraverse used to be my favourite for voidlock but now I'm having a ton of fun with the new voidlock gauntlets from this season
@@DerpsterIV Which, I guess given the mass weaken you'd be putting out, likely also means a lot of Repulsor procs. Good thinking
I know it would be a lot of work but i definitely would love and watch a 3 hour vid of you going in depth and ranking every single special weapon
Sword breaker had a place in this seasons meta by being strand which will enable Monochromatic maestro for strand titan melee DPS. Mono got fixed tonwork with strand recently!
Yep! Looking forward to grabbing one for Caretaker and other similar bosses
been looking forward to this exact video
gonna be the soundtrack to my back workout, thank u aegis
Finally the video we were all waiting for
great video! would love to see one about heavies and primaries as well keep it up my dude
Wake up! New aegis video!
Yall sleep a lot Lol
@@yurpcrusher123I wish. I’ve been up for 5 hours so far
Babe died
@@FeelGoodDivinebabe will be deeply missed 😭😭😭
I’ll make the coffee
Really happy with Xenoclast being up there! I use it on arc hunter with lead from gold/one-two
Great video! Thanks for the vault cleaning guide lol
love that youre getting the recognition you deserve
Nah, he deserves way more
This is what I needed in my life!
In the current meta glaives are highly underrated, with a mix or great survivablility and good overall boss damage a glaive is always a great choice. whenever im running my lfg strikes I always get top score with my triton hunter build. It really destroyed first encounter of crota of day2 (day1 was too hard)
To add to what you've said, since most glaives are legendary they open up your heavy slot for thunderlord which makes for a deadly combination
@@RabiaGunslinger☠☠☠☠☠
@@RabiaGunslingerforget thunderlord, queenbreakers bow is meta now.
I would not mind a 3-5 hour version of this video, considering you upload when I go to bed so I get fall asleep to most of your videos
I'll look forward to rewatching this when I understand enough about Destiny 2 to appreciate it
Your content is amazing! I would loooove a movement tech video too, since your one of the best speed runners :)
I have some basic movement stuff in my Starting with Speedrunning guide
Me when Tacofraud exists.
(I too love Aegis).
Out of curiosity, I know the weapon damage modifiers got removed but Voltshot still seems like an interesting inclusion on some otherwise mundane weapons (Sole Survivor SR, Unexpected Resurgence GV, etc). Do you think proccing Jolt on a boss with them to start a swap/B&S rotation is a non-starter? Or just overlooked/underrated?
I would imagine that the time it takes to get a kill,reload and then apply jolt would not be worth it dps wise compared to using a good special with frenzy or vorpal. Maybe if you could get the kill and reload before the dps phase begins.
Also if anyone else is using gathering storm or another source of jolt it would be pointless for you to have a weapon with jolt.
Jolt is worth about 5k dps according to the spreadsheet. By way of comparison, holding down left click on Divinity with Cenotaph is almost 29k, and that's the weakest gun on the entire "Single" tab. Even if it were good dps, you could also get it from something like Gathering Storm or a grenade.
Voltshot's basically only good on primaries and POLR these days, and not for boss DPS reasons. (It's super nice for wave clear and overload stuns, though.)
@@joshuaandrachek492 Yeah, I would never try to proc Voltshot and apply it mid-phase, I would only use it pre-loaded before the phase begins, similar to Golden Gun.
A few people already answered, but also keep in mind you would be better off just throwing a grenade to proc jolt rather than setting up voltshot as well.
@@Gage-tp9ix Ideally, yes, but in low-man content or if you've an abundance of Solar/Strand/Void, I could easily see a world where there just isn't a source of Jolt already present.
Great video once again, actually surprised that u as a speedrunner give glaives so much credit. I actually use glaives from time to time in solo gms if unstop glaive is a thing but for me not a single glaive would make it into B-Tier. I basically never use them in other endgame activities.
Before I became a speedrunner I played pretty much all the endgame content there is (lowmans, contest, GMs, SF dungeons, etc.) so I have an appreciation for the different aspects of what people choose to do once they've grinded everything out, I'm lucky enough to still be in touch with a lot of my friends that do still participate in a lot of that content as well :D
Prodigal Return would be amazing if voltshot applied jolt to everything the voltshot chained to, but you often end up 1 shotting whatever you shoot so you can't abuse the jolt bursts like you can with path of least resistance. Prodigal with voltshot is a lot of fun in content where the jolt surges actually kill things, regular difficulty raids, standard strikes, etc.
Holy moly. EVERY LEGENDARY WEAPON? now thats ambition
I'm going to make the same comment as in the fusion list about Nox Perennial vs Eremite:
If my goal is to dump all my energy special ammo at a boss because I've blown through all my rockets or whatever (which seems to be the best-case scenario for Controlled Burst--if doing a swap rotation, why pick a fusion?), there's an extremely obvious better alternative in Merciless.
If my goal is to dump all my kinetic special ammo at a boss instead, I don't think there's nearly as obvious a 1:1 replacement. Forerunner maybe? Supremacy? A shotgun?
Pound-for-pound Eremite is the better gun (entirely because of solar heavies being king rn), but because the competition in slot is so stiff, I'm not actually sure I'd rank it higher.
could be interesting to get multiple content creators to rank weapons like this and then take a overall average rank for each weapon, get an idea for what the community as a whole rates these weapons and hopefully remove some of the bias from each individual's ranking. would also be interesting to see pve Vs PvP opinions
opening yt seeing a 45min aegis vid and knowing the day is safed 🙌
Appreciate all the work you put in Aegis. Nice video!
I’m ABSOLUTELY here for a deep, long video about endgame Special discussions, but praying you don’t overwork yourself
Bro. Thank u. Cant wait to go home ans clean my vault
all of these videos are cracking down on my load out 😭
you leave my likely suspect ALONE
Personally I’m a big fan of the Shepard watch with genesis/sympathetic arsenal. It absolutely melts redbars in strikes and can two body dregs in gambit.
a sniper rifle "melts" "red bars" in "strikes"
@@JUJU13392 whoosh
Absolutely a hidden gem fr
Bruh cooked and made Gordon Ramsay jealous 🔥🔥🔥
I cannot believe you left that one weapon from that one activity in that rank. Smh
WE'VE BEEN BLESSED! 🙏
The demo/osmo SUCC was so good for lost sector burns before they added overcharge weapons for every single anti-champ mod.
So an arguments I would pose in favor of wastelander and swordbreaker maybe being bumped up a tad still within the A tier is lightweights are just the best shotgun for one-two punch builds because of the movement bonus. You aren't getting damage from the shotgun, so that doesn't matter as much as with other weapons, and with builds like AC hunter or a syntho/banner of war titan being reliant on being very mobile, you'll just want to have the shotgun out most of the time. Plus swordbreaker and wastlander have passive reload perks which just makes for better up time. But yeah, they're solidly A tier
i think rapids are better slightly cus they get crazy amounts of ammo and u can proc 1-2 punch more often
@@max73916 That would be beneficial if you needed to proc 1-2 punch a ton, but tbh you really aren't using it a ton. I don't tend to ever run out of ammo with lightweights. I think rapids are probably the next best option for 1-2 punch shotty's because of the higher handling but lightweights just kind of win for passive bonuses and consistency
@SenorGermaine lightweights have higher handling though so ig more of a reason lol
Just as a reminder, Silicon Neuroma is Agg Frame.
It’s still a non-starter because Succession is infinitely better in every way, it’s only downside not having Adept Big Ones, but I just thought I’d mention that.
Honestly, anything in C and D I feel frees up those weapons to be crafted/kept with more fun/experimental roles.
What would be you recommend for a boss damage special in the primary and energy slot?
Two pellets or Izi + GL
Thank you for doing this, I know it's a lot of work but it's al worth it at the end. Also just wanna say that a friend of mine didn't believed me that wilderflight is used for dps and that the moon shotgun is a good one-two punch shotgun, now I can shut his mouth lmao.
Hi, I was just wondering in which situation do you use trench shotguns for dps, cz personaly I dont, but I feel like I'm missing something so I just wanted to know where it would be great for me to try them. Btw another great video thx for the content, that's very interesting ans even though I feel like I know a lot about the game you still learn me things that I didn't know about si thanks a lot for this❤
Pretty rare, basically when you can't swap
Thoughts on mixing aggrasive and lightweight for shotgun swapping? I do not have a good aggressive in the energy slot for gally switching with ROF and do not know if it is better to just go full lightweight or mix and match the two frames
You can it just won't feel great
I haven’t taken off my dead weight since light fall dropped
Another S tier Aegis vid
not the first to say this but I really think it's more important that a weapon serves a (at least fairly common) role notably well than having a versatile perk pool; ex. I'd value having the best pair for tractor swapping (comedian) over having another one of five shotguns that's just Pretty Good at both dps & major killing
Yeah I'm restructuring the list more around best roll vs. diversity next season
This is going to be a bit off topic for the video but I have recently been really redoing the dps maths on lament and stumbled across a combo that I really haven't seen anyone else talk about. Which is the 2x1x0, this does superior dps and total dmg compared to the more common 3x1x2, 2x1x1 and 2x1x2 combos. I would love a video going over lament again, as I don't think this is a commonly known combo (in fact I am not even sure this was a possible combo before the sword changes). The combo is literally just (start with 3x1) then looping 2x1x0 with 3 lucent blades. There is 0 manual delaying and is an auto times combo and I really do think it is the most optimal lament combo. (though lament probably isn't the best sword even with this new combo.)
The period you have to wait to do 2L you may as well fill with a regular light
just FYI, Lament was special-cased and left unchanged by the sword guard rework
So quick question Mr Aegis, is a ikelos SG v3 w smoothbore, tac mag, threat detector , trench barrel and reload mw good for general use/ major burst damage?
It's alright
I'm surprised you dislike deliverance since it is pretty good with chill clip.
If Riptide didn't exist I'd like it more
What role do shotguns like dead weight, ikelos, and imperial decree have if not for pellet swapping or one-two punch? Also why are rapids best for one-two punch?
The first two are great for bursting majors or doing boss DPS, they really just do everything
Imperial isn't used for swapping or 12P so...
Rapids have highest reserves of all shotguns so highest melee count
Doing the Lords work but turns out you are the Lord.
So...I know you put some weapons high up for utility for speedrunning and killing ads quickly and all but...If you need someone on tractor cannon, what would you recommend is the best special DPS you can bring to the table, and with what roll? I've still been rocking a old fusion rifle roll that used to be pretty good at the time, but I never stopped to think about updating it to something different and more recent, so I wanted to see what you recommend the most.
Two pellet shotguns and something like Rain of Fire or The Dragon's Shadow
What is your opinion of what to use for supremacy Last Wish sniper to get of some high damage dps on a long ranged boss with div on target?
The only time I've seen him recommend supremacy is as the gjally user with supremacy and ikelos sr
auto loading lead from gold wave frame in c is a sin
Can someone elaborate on why GL's and trace rifles tend so high in this list? I've never used a trace rifle (excep maybe agres or the navigator) in high end content.
generally asking, would like to craft for my first sniper, should I craft supremacy or succession first? (I have no idea if I wanna go for dps or melting major, so like which is suitable for more situations?)
Supremacy
Question, if I’m trying to optimize my tractor dps id use aggressives right? Which ones should I use and what perks should I seek. I am currently using a vorpal found Ver and imp dec. with surrounded. Also Is it better to use double slug surrounded weapons or double aggressive surrounded when I can get it to proc for swaps?
You'd use Ragnhild / Comedian with Frenzy / Vorpal and 123 swap (and you want aggressives either way)
@@TheAegisRelic okay cool, I just read your spreadsheet wrong when talking about a swapping. Thanks.
@TheAegisRelic what legendary special weapon is the closest in dps to merciless?
a 5/5 nox perennial
@@max73916 what role is 5/5?
There isn't anything close but if you had to pick something it'd be a rapid fire shotgun
what frame is vorpal best used on?
Nezarec whisper belongs up with the other glaives in b. Great option on arc
Glaives are being reevaluated this season :P
Primaries next? Great work as always
defeats the point, all primaries will stop around low a tier or so. they arent very useful
Most likely not
rank all your rankings next pls
So whats the name of the unnamed shoot to loot trace rifle?
What’s your thoughts on the new sudden death perks, envious w cascade/trench/1-2 punch. Best shot gun to pair with tractor?
If you value total damage, yeah for sure
@@TheAegisRelic double slug still better than cascade for dps if ur on tractor? Or aggressive swapping better?
Eh double slug is kinda dead, you could just do raw trench or agg swaps
another vid to listen to at work lesssgoooo (aegis is still a cutie)
I rate this D2 channel "S+ Tier"
As a returning player who wants to catch up and participate in low man endgame content I have been wondering what I should use my 6 deep sight harmonizers on. I basically have no patterns yet (I have apex pred but that’s about the only useful pattern I have so far)
Should I use it on a craftable shotgun like ikelos or is there a GL, sniper, trace, sniper, or fusion I should go for?
Also in regards to legend specials I have started farming for the onslaught forbearance, succession, and mountaintop.
I don't think there's anything that's absolutely essential you use your harmonizers on that you can't currently farm, so use it to top off progress on stuff that's annoying to farm
whats the best weapon loudout/strat i can use when running tractor on a star-eaters hunter?
Tractor and two lightweight shotguns or two aggressives if you're swapping to Dragon's Shadow
Now that you have all these spreadsheets put together. Could you make one with all the important ones the perks you choose and why.
Like maybe a synergies video like these three guns accomplish this. And don't waste your time on DT or CT cuz no one's going to use those thank you for your time
Gonna do a perk tier list
I have the Militia gl, with ambitious assassin, frensie and field tested. Blast radius as the weapon mod. Kinda stupid powerful to clear ads and not only!
Someday, when you get a crafted Forbearance, you are gonna fall in love with that thing. I can tell :)
y not use salvager salvo? it does the same thing but better and is u can get it easily
id say salvo does what ur doin rn but better and its easier to get then militia
Are you gonna do the same thing with heavies or/and primary?
Heavy yes primary probably no
Are you planning to cover Exotic weapons at some point? I know most of them aren't really viable, so maybe you could rank only the ones that have some use and just dump the rest in D with no explanation.
I would like to know where Braytech Osprey is on the DPS list, just because it has envious and bipod, which Aegis did say bipod isn’t far behind from BnS, love to see where it stands
bipod itself is fine, what isnt fine is the archetype. braytech is high impact which deal 15% less dmg than the current meta wpn (apex) or even hothead
It's a high-impact so it's not worth using (-10% against adap/agg)
i hope you do this with heavy weapons aswell
Wait about 10 minutes
I think supremacy should only be s tier just because kinetic slot options for special weapons are abysmal, it has enhanced kinetic tremors which is arguably the best perk on a sniper in terms of damage and versatility and ease of use, is a rapid fire frame, lead from gold for essentially infinite ammo, as well as the benefit of extra damage for being a kinetic weapon. I'd say riptide was S before the chill clip nerf but now chill clip is essentially a useless perk on everything except riptide. spike/disorienting grenades wilderflight with autoloading frenzy should also be S tier as if it is a blinding gl it still does normal if not higher gl damage on direct impact so you have no blinding nade downside or with spike nades it just is just a monster.
Could we get a “so you don’t have a bait and switch weapon” video? Lol
now i wonder how you would rank legendary primaries, cause there isn't much of them that's good right now. smgs are universally great and that's about it? do you think auto rifles are creeping up to smg levels of good?
Cataphract + Nox lowkey cooks
Hollowed Denial with LFG/Repulsor on Void Warlock or Gyrfalcon’s Hunter is very sexy, those use cases alone should put it in at least B
Too niche
Honestly I’d argue it’s not niche at all, extremely good ammo econ and strong ad-clear. It’s no forbearance ofc but it definitely has a place
If I'm picking a trace for general gameplay it is definitely not Hollow first
@@TheAegisRelic it sounds to me like if you wanna take a more meta option you’re just taking the path to least resistance (haha get it cuz like…. Nevermind…)
for supremacy and succession, what weapon mods would you use?
Spec on both
@@TheAegisRelic major spec?
Yeah or Boss
probably shouldn't have spent time reordering d tier my brotha. minor nitpick! loving the content
I can understand Iterative Loop not being in A but it 100% deserves B-Tier. Being able to put voltshot on any target that doesn't die the the initial burst is a nice add-on when not on an Arc Subclass and Nano Rockets does help dps a fair amount. Just because Voltshot on fusions got gutted doesn't mean the whole thing is garbage
Redoing fusion list :)
@@TheAegisRelic Looking forward to it
Ranking every sunset weapon in endgame :)
These videos are such a banger that I want to get married to aegis now. When’s the wedding?
My goodness gracious what in the crabcakes
@@TheAegisReliclast I checked that’s not on the calendar 😊
@@TheAegisRelicso there will be crabcakes at the wedding? Do you have a swordbearer picked out yet? I mean a ringbearer..?
What are the best 1,2 punch shottys for each slot?
i’ve been trying to get an answer to this too, mainly for kinetic slot :/ trying to decide whether to use deepsihht harmonizes on wastelander or swordbreaker (ikelos best solar 1-2, deicide or light fall shottie best void 1-2, and xeno probably best arc 1-2)
ok i understand shoot to loot but everytime i have ever had it i have never used it. even when i watch speed runs i barely see it used, am i missing something?
When trace rifles are chosen, Shoot to Loot is almost a necessary perk given how they are used in most endgame content
Wait why are rapid fire shotguns so high? I thought pellet swapping consisted of lightweights for damage rotations, and aggressives for support rotation?
Rapids are good for boss DPS, great for roam, and excellent for major burst
Honestly the only problem I have with this list is succession, probably just my bias but I think it deserves mid to high A tier
Bro im lost lol. What do u mean with pellet swapping and triple shotgun. Tractor and legend acrius?
Tractor
I don't think I understand why 1,2 Punch is so desirable on a rapid fire SG. Is the 100% melee damage buff more DPS than Trench? If so how do I use it properly?
It’s typically in relation to the handling speed of the weapon in order to shoot melee repeat so much more often and faster
@konekoUnity if that is the case, then wouldn't lightweights be better due to inherently higher handling?
Rapids have high total shots and Trench is 50 not 100, it's worse on high fire rate shotguns because you're punished more for meleeing
12:11 Nox Perennial certainly isn't underrated just isn't dropping for people(I havent seen one nor heliocentric since the season dropped)
I got one (1) drop of the pulse rifle. No fusions
@@DerpsterIV I’ve been getting more last season drips this season than current season drops
Until it’s return is definitely right next to dead weight in A tier
Something I've got to ask with regards to shotguns. Why is Assault Mag so highly valued? Whenever I find myself using a shotgun and whenever I see anyone using shotguns for damage they are exclusively a tool for swapping, shooting one time, and then swapping off to the next weapon. Like I don't see the point of having a high rate of fire on a gun that I shoot once and then set aside so I can do a melee attack, but I often see assault mag on people's One-Two Punch shotties.
Does having a faster rate of fire cut out some frames out of the firing animation and/or recoil animations that make swapping faster? Or is assault mag just there for those situations where the weapon needs to be fired more than once against a beefier target in whatever content is being run?
Assault Mag isn't useful on 12P shotguns, it's for swapping
@@TheAegisRelic Right, so what does it provide for swapping? It obviously provides no handling, but in swap setups the the user typically swaps onto a gun, shoots once, then swaps off of the gun so it's not giving any benefit to fire rate unless I'm totally misunderstanding something. Was it better to fire multiple rounds before swapping all along and I've just been mistaken this whole time?
Or maybe I should instead be asking which swap scenarios is it good for. I'm quite possibly just thinking of a different swap setup than you are.
@@Evan.13239it’s meant for swapping between two shotguns with assault mag. You can’t shoot faster than the gun’s rpm, but if you swap between two shotguns you can “bypass” this by just shooting the other shotgun. With assault mag, this allows you to run higher handling and shoot both guns at their max rpm, which is why assault mag is better dps
@@brendanmcnally2643 Isn't that a contradiction though? If you bypass the weapon's RPM stat by swapping and shooting another gun then what does Assault Mag bring to the table?
Why would increasing a gun's RPM be helpful when the RPM is not used?
@@Evan.13239 because the weapon is still actually being shot at its original rpm, you’re just shooting the other one during the downtime. So faster rpm means you can shoot each individual weapon sooner
Hiya great vid but …what’s the deal with tumilus sniper.. why not d tier
Used for damage rotations
Prodigal would be good if it could roll demo volt, but now it's just worse than salvage