Why Are So Many Young Men Afraid to Talk to Women?
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In my experience, the only way to get over the fear, if it even exists in the first place, is to simply stop caring about the outcome.
nah just do it alot till it becomes normal .
Well said. Emotionally detaching yourself from the outcome is eye opening and typically does mitigate fear
Stop caring about rape accusations then
Or the process altogether
@@experience5988 No girl will accuse you of rape for simply talking to them. That’s paranoid. Even if they did, there’s not going to be any evidence, because nothing happened.
I think nowadays it’s not the fear of talking to them it’s more that they can shame you publicly or try to ruin your reputation if something goes wrong.
100000% that’s the culture of woman on America today.
Imagine asking a girl out and she starts recording you as she rejects you. It's not even that hard to imagine because that's just how things are
Exactly, this chick i was talking to didnt me she had a bf cheated on him w me and then he found out and instead of telling him she told all of the internet that i rped her and i lost everyone i knew off of that lie.. girls are evil.
Fucked up my whole life..
4-5 comments talking about this on here and how many ever had that happen? One.
Are you afraid of what might happen or what will definitely happen? You will definitely die alone with no kids if you do t approach women.
I had a job where this girl flirted with everyone and I realised through painful experiences in my past that because a girl flirts with you it’s for attention or in my case it has been. Anyhow a few months in a new manager asked how long me and this girl had been going out, I replied we aren’t and the manager said she was surprised as we clicked and would make a good couple. This girl was there whilst this conversation was taking place and she said well it’s because he hasn’t asked me out. I laughed and she went seriously you haven’t asked me out, asked her out and she never spoke to me again.
We call that an attention where, happens to every one of us dude just keep pushing. You shouldn't even want a girl that flirts with everybody anyways thunk about it
That's called histrionic persoality disorder on that chick
Sounds like she’s a love addict who needs everyone to like her and then she moves on when she gets it
Men do the same thing to women too
@@lifeisbannanas Lmao where? Like 2% of dudes might do this. Foh some stuff is pretty much just one way
This is the best version of Theo that I’ve seen. He’s being way more sincere than usual and it makes the podcast so much more interesting.
For me it feels like this is him whenever a mental health professional or a spiritual person comes on. Those are my favourites, when Theo opens up
you're both gay
He'd still fk your girl, Greg
Theo von explains what a lot of people will never speak on because it’s embarrassing
But social anxiety, drugs, bad experiences will do that.
rejection is different now. ghosting out of nowhere on both sides
We got ghosted in the 90s too
Ghosting on both sides? U mean 90 percent of women ghosting 90 percent of men, and 5 percent of men hooking up with all the women and then ghosting them?
@@davedavid7061Truth. We just didn't pick up the phone when it rang 🤣
no, ghosting from the 10 percent of men who have access to 90-95 percent of the women lol most men dont get anything at all. Literally 1 and 3 men are sexless.
@@Mmmmkaaaylmao ghosting has been around forever. Like in the age before technology you just wouldn’t respond back to their letter or pigeon
Im not afraid, im just tired man. I already live alone and have to support myself and work 10-12 hours a day and try to exercise 1-2 hours every day. Ive gotten zero dates in the past year, every girl i met last year rejected me and the few relationships ive had felt like another full time job just trying to keep her happy. I dont think it’s worth it at this point.
My question is why you wanna keep her happy?
cringe comment
Sounds abt right 🎯
@@watermelon2223 more girls for you then?
@@TheSolitaryMonkbingo
Edwardo is right. You have to think about THEM and not yourself. Spot on
I feel like this goes for women but also In interactions with people in general. I’ve met truly humble people who are genuinely interested in what I have to say. They always have the most confidence, because they love life and are being themselves.
Treat them almost as if they have chlamydia
What does that mean bro? I dont get it
@@braveboy2445 overcoming anxiety is about forcing your attention outwards. You have to listen to other people and look at them. That’s a way to have better interactions
@@braveboy2445 If you think too much about yourself or how you appear to others, you’ll end up causing anxiety and not even paying attention to the other person at all. You have to focus your attention on the other person, and think less about how YOU appear. At least that’s how I take it
Exactly. Your frame should be "do I like this woman?" and you'll ask her questions to get to know her. It doesn't matter if she likes you or not.
I was speaking with a coworker of mine at the gym yesterday, and he took notice of a guy that was approaching some girls. He was probably mid 20s, they were 18-20 if I had to guess. Coworker was ridiculing the guy to me, then a few minutes after I walked by the girls and I heard them talking about it.
Not sure why simply approaching someone has to be such a big fucking deal. It's brutal that a person could be demonized for such a thing considering the inherent risk it already involves of being rejected. It should be considered a natural process, unlike using apps or however else people may meet. But nah, people gotta be sensitive, or maybe a few legit creeps that can't take no for an answer ruin it for everyone.
Crazy times.
I'm worried I'll be called a pedophile creep if I (25) even talk to a 18 year old girl.
Dude, I used to have a decent amount of female friends in college and they all told me I should just go up to women and start conversations. Then a minute later they would be complaining about the disgusting creep who tried to talk to them in the line at starbucks.
I know the exact type of sentiment they were getting at. It is for some reason seen as weird to approach a girl in public, especially among gen z despite the fact that these girls still want to be dating. Not sure how they expect to meet people.
@@dash4800 Yeah were apparently supposed to magically know if we’re attractive enough to a woman for her to be flattered rather than creeped out
@@dash4800so what? They didn’t like him. They like somebody. Only way to find out if you is approach.
Approach early, approach often -- the fear will go away with practice
This is true. Conquering a fear is to expose yourself to it as much as possible.
No one is afraid. It's the fact there are no consequences no repercussions for females at all.. they can lie. Ruin your reputation nothing happens to them... so men focus on themselves.
Jail will come fast enough too 👍🏾
@@PostClarity7by talking to a person?
@@PostClarity7 How will you go to jail for talking to somebody?
I just found out Theo Von is 44 yars old! That's insane, I thought he was like 10 years younger. Good for him.
really? wow he looks great.
Its the hair, he maintains its good
He must be a Gemini rising lmao He also has that nervous energy but very talkative and curious personality.
That’s how he should look at 44, just take care of yourself. I’m not sure why it’s “amazing “. A lot of people age in dog years nowadays so no wonder some people are amazed at what should be the standard.
@@neox9369 Nowadays? Look at old videos and pictures, people aged even worse back then. But sure, taking care you yourself is good advice.
Because they're deeply insecure and the average modern young woman doesn't resemble past generations. The influence of social media on the psyche of young people has been a disaster and has propped up behaviors that are so toxic for the soul and society. The replacement of face-to-face communication has been disastrous.
If I wanted to depopulate the earth, I'd do exactly what we've done the last 15 years.
Wow. That is really well put.
Right. I hate to be a broken record about it, and I’m just as susceptible, but social media breaks down the fabric of natural communication. It creates scenarios and perspectives that can only be found online, and a lot of people who avoid social media tend to do better socially.
The average woman is fine and normal, it’s your fault you’ve skewed your own brain by watching so much porn that you think all women are on onlyfans. Get out in the real world and realize most women are normal. But you can’t do that staring at a computer screen 24/7 complaining that women are “evil”. It’s just so damn pathetic. And you say women are the ones who are different when all modern men want to do is watch porn and complain about women all day long through the INTERNET when men of past generations were out there fighting WARS and protecting their families…… I mean give me a break. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Stop being so damn pathetic and man up.
You hit the nail on the head
Fax
Y'all are missing that there's a much higher risk of doing this stuff today. Consistently hanging out at a hotel where models stay might be treated as something potentially criminal for example. We've had it beaten into our heads that women do not want to be approached in public.
You’re wrong. They do want to be approached. Just by a guy who they already are attracted to and makes them feel good. Practice your skills and it will go well more than not. Oh, and he handsome lol
a lot of women don't want to be approached in many places. how many times my girl has gotten hit on just walking home from school or work, there are acceptable times and places and infringing on peoples time because you feel entitled isn't it
@@brlyalve Buddy im sorry but for most of history the only way thats happened is BY infringing on peoples time.
Factually across all time in human history EVER.
Guys used to get married off of pestering girls at work, on the street, and during free time. Thats how its ALWAYS been until recently with this mindset lol
I am what could be deemed an attractive 28 year old girl and I would LOVE for an also attractive young man to come up and talk to me…. Everyone is so lonely nowadays. As long as he were nice, good looking, and could carry a conversation I’d probably go on a date with him too..
@@user-lt1jd1ye3vwhat if there nice and can hold and convo, but you mind them ugly… then what
Idk what world ppl live in but as someone who has paid attention to girl groups and working on his approaching skills it's harder now more than ever. Girls don't walk alone all like that anymore in NY and they don't give you that grace all like that anymore. If your not the guy...your not the guy, and they may try to embarrass you immaturely. I can't tell you how many times I've been nervous still had the courage to walk up to them than they take the h*ll off like I had vomit on my face 😅. The ladies have way more fear than we do and will run if needed trust me I've seen this multiple times and all I did was make eye contact and smile. I understand it's a dangerous world and guys do messed up things but I think we've taken it too far. Keep your heads up fellows
fuck bro this is rough. the day a woman looks at me then unironically runs away screaming hysterically is the day i tie the noose
Not afraid... I already work 2 jobs, don't need a 3rd.
😂
what about a hand job?
quit mcdonalds and wendys than you can have 1 job
Excuses excuses😅
Bruh, he cooking 👨🍳🍳
I used to be a dating coach/pua and let me tell you. Its not just porn, its FB and IG. People are unaware of how much time they waste on social media. For most guys its already too late. But the best advice i can give is delete ur social media accounts. If not for good then temporarily, now start going out and just saying "hi how are u doing" Then when u get comfortable with that u can move on to small conversations and so forth.
This guy said he was a dating coach.....I am dead.
It's not too late. It was doomed from the womb
Can't do that in a small cow boy hick town with nothing to do (not my fault I live here, on disability ssi and cheapest place to live, I'm 29 never dated in real life) small towns also make dating rough.
@@Kyle-ii4fp your 29, u just now starting to hit ur prime u have ur whole life ahead of you, don't make excuses.
@@sirloin7633 your wasting time my friend
It’s very easy for older people to sit here and criticize the youth. But even in the older guys analysis he’s not even being honest with himself. The truth is now young men aren’t chasing women. For many reasons, and if you think it’s a confidence issue. You are very out of touch.
First of all if you’re not a jock or the popular guy hardly anyone care about you in this society, let alone women. Second of all once you leave school social situations which you can meet new people become very limited unless you go to church or something, and who goes to church to chase girls? Internet and work is only option left. And dating apps have just become hook up sites or whatever and you have to pay for them. And public places are hard especially if you’re all alone because you will be seen as a loser. There aren’t many options for men to be fulfilled in this world. I just be myself and hardly ever hit on women and if they come to me, great.
100% bro! Not to mention how much easier these older people had it financially too.
List the reasons then instead of just being a negative shitstain
As a young man this is not true. It is a confidence issue combined with increased consumption by young men of online propaganda about “modern women” that is informing their worldview. This is In conjunction with the limited negative experiences they have with women due to there inability to judge good character born from a lack of self confidence. Insecure men spend time with toxic and insecure women because they don’t have the self belief to say no to these people, then they get burned and turn to crap online to cope and it becomes a self-sustaining, self-reinforcing cycle.
I said no to romantic opportunities for years before I found someone who I liked and respected enough to enter a relationship with. It’s about having the self respect, patience and emotional intelligence needed to find and impress somebody with good character. There is a lot of them out there, a lot of young men just don’t have the skills to find them today.
Facts, it has nothing to do with confidence. It's just that when girls ask for my number as a joke or try to embarrass me in public, it's hard to see women as anything but people who want to hurt
The Eduardo story is fascinating to me because it gets to the heart of the saying “Confidence is Key”. Everyone always says it but… Why? The Eduardo anecdote shows that it’s not just confidence, but the lack of judgement of others (and fear of judgement from others) that confidence brings, and subsequent ease or peace both people in a situation feel from that. Love it!
How do you become judgement free?
he's confident because he is 6+ plus jacked, tan, chad face, all his life he has had postive enteractiions with women so why would he be scared or anxious, confidence 😆 tell that to the sub 5 balding janitor
@@miguelplays2921 They're not ready for the blackpill bro, they should watch rehab room
@@miguelplays2921 Improve your reading comprehension
@@braveboy2445 Do I look like a free therapist?
Theo’s writing poems and making collages for the ladies.
He’s an old school die hard romantic ❤️🔥 which unfortunately doesn’t exist today!
I really thought about Theo out making some chick a diarama with dinosaurs and soldiers...
@@Michelle.A79 respectfully gen z gals dont give an f about it
I recently had an experience that made me realize something. I went ahead and tried to start a conversation with a women I liked by complimenting her on something she was doing, but I didn’t make it really open-ended, so it didn’t really go anywhere. She just thanked me and we went on with our doings. In my mind, I had just blundered because it didn’t go anywhere, and the panic began to set in. But then I realized that from her perspective, all that happened was that someone in the gym complimented her on something, and that was it. In my mind I had screwed up, but in reality I had just complimented someone and went on with my day, which isn’t a bad thing at all.
Finally someone with a brain
Exactly. You did not mess up and nothing went wrong. Just because it did not lead to more, does not mean anything. It was just a normal thing.
In my gym the only men who are not afraid to talk to females are Russians and they are pretty successful it seems. Everybody else is never talking to anyone else. My daughter saw this guy in the gym she liked, she smiled at him but he never responded, this happened on several days, he kept looking at her a lot though but never smiled back or came over. She was too scared to go over to him because he was always working out with a group of guys. She tried so much to meet him but it never happened, she was 18 and he was probably 18 to 21. 😢
Maybe he thought she was a minor.
It's not just never rejected. For a ton of people, rejection is all they know.
Theo is so much funnier and more insightful than I thought the first time I saw a clip of him. Don't judge a book by its cover.
It hurts to talk to women. I walk up to them and they say “Eww” or they just stare at you and shoo you away. Or you just say “hi” and they respond with “I have a boyfriend”. Ouch. I’m done getting hurt. I’m done approaching women.
🤣🤣🤣
Hit the gym or something, dude. If you walk up and women are saying "Eww" right up front, you need to fix something.
@@user82938 Do you think I should take a hundred showers too? Maybe that’ll help… lmfao
I don't know man, he might be short lol. Back in the early 2000s, I never had a problem, but all of a sudden in the past 5 years, no woman wants me because I'm too short. I've literally been told that many times. I'm 5'6. It was so weird because even in the 2010s, the early 2010, I was in college and I used to pull easily. Now I'm more in shape than ever, I make six figures, I actually have a six pack, I'm definitely not a dumbass, but I'm 5'6 lol. And I've been straight told to my face that I'm short, like if I didn't already know that.
@@NeighborhoodWatchMann That's rough, man, sorry to hear it. In that case, you gotta become a fat slob like Stavros Halkias and get the girls who want to punish themselves.
Another factor is a lot of women have vocalized that they don’t want to be approached in public as it makes them uncomfortable which is completely valid but for me it’s difficult to approach someone because I don’t want them to be uncomfortable
Thats fine, leave those women alone when they tell you that, and find someone else
@@lefrenchy9021trial and error
@@lefrenchy9021 there is no someone else, this is most of them under the age 30.
Make it all about her, forget yourself and just listen to her, ask good questions. Great advice from this fellow.
Without a woman throwing you a choosing signal your way, like holding eye contact for more than a couple seconds, there is no reason to approach, period.
I stare at men and they do nothing or ignore me or look terrified LOL. And I am considered I think a decent looking female. If I see an attractive guy at the gym I’d like to talk to I look but apparently I’m creepy for wanting to meet people at the gym..
@@user-lt1jd1ye3v Because of recent events in social media I think men are keeping to themselves at gyms so they don't get labeled a creep. A slim gal in a sundress at a grocery store or just out and about could get me to approach if I'm in the right head space,, that's the thing sometimes men just aren't in that mode at that moment to approach.
@@user-lt1jd1ye3v you'll have a better chance if you go talk to them like a normal human.
I gather you're being sarcastic. If you're not, you're the problem.
@@gifi4 Are you high? Women have always made that first move, the majority of the time in history. In the early 1900's women dropped the handkerchief. You're asking for rejection if you don't get that signal, unless you're a tall, handsome, well dressed man she will likely reject you.
Only person to impress is yourself.
No one is afraid to talk to another. People are afraid to talk to a group of people who have gold-leaf thin egos and power they never earned psychologically.
Are you implying that women as a whole have "gold leaf thin egos"? If you believe an entire gender has thin egos then you're part of the problem, thats not a productive way of looking at women or men. Also what do you mean by "power they never earned psychologically"? Yes women have more power nowadays than they did in the past, but that empowerment was fought for.
*The fear of rejection has become more intense in this generation, and I think it’s a mix of unrealistic expectations and social anxiety. Videos like this help shed light on the reasons behind that fear and how we can overcome it!*
Honestly… every time I see a video of Theo Von speaking, I fall in some sort of love with him more and more.
Just seems so genuine and honest about difficulties he’s overcome and the way he experienced life, and acknowledging embarrassing parts of himself with empathy. 👏🏻👏🏻
“Who is this damn Wizard?” Words we’ve all thought before.
That thought comes from a guy who don't know how to talk to women .
@@Ben256MBwatch out. We got a badass over here.
@@Ben256MBcome on don juan,stop putting us down, everybody had their moment
@@Ben256MB Oh MAN, its Jesus with the revelations over here.
It becomes so much easier if you want to get to know the person, not the image you build in your head.
In the past I was very fixated in getting a girl and build scenarios in my head why it would work or not. But once I put that need aside and just tried to have a good time and talk about stuff like with all my buddies, it was so much easier and I really noticed if I really liked a girl or not.
This 🙌 women just want to be treated like human beings, to be known.
@@MissArtsyDeeewhat makes u think that they aren't?
Seems like a waste of time to get to know someone to find out if you like them, rather than liking them and that being why you invest the time to get to know them.
In my experience growing to love someone is total bullshit, it happens instantly or not ever. All you can grow is negatives, resentment. As you get to know them you fall out of love.
@@RobertMorganyou're confusing lust with love.
@@MissArtsyDeee Yawn. Live laugh poster-tier wisdom. Keep it to yourself. No one wants to hear it. Throw the poster away.
Women say theyd rather encounter a bear than a man, why would i go where i know im not welcome?
“Women say” Wow all 4 billion of them said that?
@@Solaxer 🤓☝️
I know what you mean. I went down the same mental rabbit hole. It’s a large combination of men and women being on the internet and consuming too much media. People aren’t like that in real life and if they are it’s obvious they’re chronically online. The greatest suggest I can give you, brother, is delete social media. I still wish I could post and look at others posts and what not but the benefits are undeniable. Hope this helps.
@@guy6044 it’s not that you’re not welcome because you’re a man, you’re not welcome because you stink and can’t hold a normal conversation you fuckin loser 🫵🏽
@@YourUnionRep I have a GF bro, nothing serious but she's real sweet, I know it ain't all girls I'm just saying I understand where a lot of guys are coming from when they just kinda check out of dating. I've definitely met a few of those girls in real life, and all thought there is not a lot, I do believe it's enough to strick hesitancy into the average man.
Man, these guys are just vibing and having a great conversation about a great topic together. This is great
They aren't afraid, they have just opted out of the dating scene.
Ok sure but let’s be real, talking to women is and always has been a scary experience to some degree. Especially one that is very attractive
That's cope. Most of us have opted out because we're afraid.
@@LordVader1094 I'm sorry to hear that brother and I hope it gets better.
I’m going to make ~$190K in my career this year, it is simply not worth the risk of all that to talk to girls. Even at bars, CCTV cameras don’t capture audio, so in the court of law, a girl can put any word they want into your mouth and you can be indicted for it. This is the collapse of Western Society
yeah i can agree with that. there can be some fear/nervousness to talk to women, but mostly it’s just giving up. and i don’t blame us.
It's not a man duty to approach women.
It should be reciprocal.
Men are tired to do the hard work part and receive nothing.
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I believe the biggest thing is vulnerability. People are afraid of feeling vulnerable. I believe that's it because that's me currently. I was easily open to people when I was younger and getting burned for it that now I'm more closed off than I was before. I'm still working and trying to improve on that by getting out of my comfort zone.
I can relate to this comment a lot. I'm not sure what happened but i get very very anxious when im finally about to ask a girl out and bitch out last second every fucking time. I feel like i used to be a lot less anxious about it when i was younger too. I'm trying to expose myself in those situations as much as possible though.
Sure...
I cried when Mr Robert Green said " I wasnt on the level of Edouardo.." and Theo Von responded for him "Noooooo" That was hilarious.🤣
8:00
😂😂😂😂
"I would hide under a bed in there."
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Funniest part 😂😂
Kinda based ngl.
i'd rather go my own way
Yet you're watching videos on the topic that you said you will reject?
@@lav7161came up as suggested, that’s the intent.
MGTOW in a nutshell
@teamcoalhapcharcoalyou obviously chose the wrong road. And now you are looking up at the single guys wishing you had gone left instead of right. But that woman tricked you into going right. Now you are stuck on a road you dont want to be on and you claim it was a choice
@teamcoalhapcharcoalI mean most women are used up and ugly fat what you expect
Women wonder why men aren't giving them attention. It's because women aren't countering the waves of resentful women's propaganda which says that a man approaching a girl is somehow bad or negative. Women need to make it clear that make attention is wanted and welcome.
attractive men's attention is welcome. it's ugly men and ugly people in general who need not apply. women would never say this but their face reactions show this to be true.
Men still give women attention. Where do you all live? Space?Me and my girlfriends get approached all the time and im not even gorgeous or anything
@lace5131 where do you live?
@@lace5131he ment the type of women that would complain for the lack of attention, not every woman
@@lace5131 Juggernaut Law
“Who is this wizard 🧙🏽♂️” LOL
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I can only speak for myself, and I’ll try to make this short and succinct. 29 yrs old, have made a complete 180 this year. Been back in college for a year now, working out, eating real healthy food, no more porn for the most part, and the biggest change, I quit smoking cigs. I truly believe that the anxiety and stress that cigarettes perpetuated within me made me afraid to make the jump to make any scary decision. Especially asking out women. I’ve had my embarrassing experiences of whisky d*ck even while sober, and I blame anxiety, smoking, addiction, and porn. It’s been a solid month of real change, and I’ve talked to and asked out more woman in this time than in the last 3 years, I can actually get it up and have enjoyable sex again, I can feel this new confidence inside. I’ve been rejected, but trying and failing feels so good. Way better than going off and having a smoke all by lonesome, and sitting in my despair. I spent TEN years taking the easy route, cigs, hard drugs, porn, I was just floating by. I know how hard it is to change habits, it felt impossible, but it’s all in our heads, and it takes real work to even begin considering a new life. Good things don’t come easy for everyone and it’s never too late to make a change. Keep your heads up brothers ❤
Congrats, man! Keep adding up good days.
Christ is King. All praises to the Most High.
and no girl/woman wants to be with someone who is a drug addict, porn addict etc.
I am 29 yrs old too, and I am also making a change for the better. My problem has been alcohol, I wasted all my 20’s drinking and partying without ever getting any satisfaction from it. I’ve been 3 weeks sober and holy shit, I am feeling so much better both physically and mentally. I have also suffered from anxiety, I am surprised how much my drinking was affecting that. I have wasted so much opportunities when it comes to chatting up girls. Supposedly alcohol enhances confidence, at least that’s what i believed, so I kept drinking. But I was doing more harm than good, and I wasted so much time. Those days are over, and I am very excited about this new life that I am going to lead.
Cigs had nothing to do with your anxiety but the p_orn. But least you quit the tobacco, if nothing else for your heart health.
I love Theo's honesty, i think it helps so many young men realise they aren't different
Wow! Theo really opened my eyes to my younger self and even to my current self at times! Really critical thinking and self analysis on his part.
They’re completely missing a huge part of this, which is the fact that men are shamed for being men and growing up we get taught to look down on our own masculine urges
define masculine urges?
Men are not shamed for being men, what you mean by that? I also have no idea what you consider "masculine urges" to be as that sounds very vague, are you talking about the male sex drive or something? Because men arent taught to look down on that either.
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy Have you been asleep for the past 15 or so years?? Man are absolutely shamed for being men. Do we not remember the #KillAllMen days? Or That whole Man vs Bear thing? Everything is set up to feminize you, from school to the workplace. Men are seen as the default monsters and our needs are seen as unnecessary.
I don't know what fantasy world you're living in but I wish I could go there.
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oyBefore, no.
These recent years, yes, to a certain extent.
Elaborate please.
I was the opposite (as a female) I was afraid and nervous to talk to guys because I came from a strict family. Theo, is a romantic at heart ❤️ which comes off naturally, you can tell by the way he talks on how he would try to get a date with a girl ❤️
Scarcity vs abundance mindset
Im not afraid to talk to women, I genuinely don't like them. If I meet a cool chick, dope. But on AVERAGE girls i've met are across the board mean.
If they aren't attracted to you on the FIRST impression they legit don't see you as human lol.
There is no "winning her over" anymore. People don't even stay together that long anymore and because we've become so hyper independent we're always asking each other WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME?????
Its not the fact that young men have never been rejected MOST have been rejected a good bit lol
Its the fact that older guys have literally never dealt with THIS TYPE of rejection AS MUCH back in the day.
Sure you might strike out 8/10 times on a night out in the 1980-90s but MOST of those rejects were "No thanks, haha I have a boyfriend, no your not my type"
Not "Wtf is WRONG with you? get away from me? You really think I would get with YOU??"
Its defo not all women but its a LOT of them.
You mad bro
@@VRKyurem Nah not really, I just get with chicks who like me right off the jump no mo chasin thats crazy
"We don't like you!" - Patrice ONeal
@@MrFrankEast you’re almost 60 years old
@@VRKyurem My guy I am not older, im in my 20s im talking about what OLDER guys have said about dating and women back then.
Its true ask MOST men from that age or slightly younger and they say its night and day after like mid 2000's
When Theo said about p*rn "I wish it hadn't been there", it really struck a chord in me as I really see it that way too. How much better it would be, if that stuff didn't even exist.
It would be no different for me. I was socially isolated and anxious from childhood. Without social skills training I will never be comfortable interacting with people. The porn is an outlet for my problems, not the cause of them.
@@zeethree i go outside and talk to people, meet new people everyday for work. in over a decade it hasnt given me confidence or the skills to be charismatic and charming. i dont relate or identify with people who have those skills
Vote for trump and maybe he'll ban it under project 2025
Porn isn't the problem. I've had my fair share of sex with women, but there are some really long dry spells for me. Like all guys, I need a sexual release. I get rejected a lot and I'm not gonna force any woman to have sex with me (that's rape) so I gotta get my release somewhere. I don't think porn is good, but it sure helps when you're down on your luck
@@zeethree Porn is definitely the problem in your circumstances. It's a coping mechanism. It's only going to keep you indoors more and you'll never be able to overcome your addiction. Do you tell your parents of your porn use by the way? Because if you're ashamed to tell them, what does that tell you about your habit?
So interesting to hear a guys prospect, as a girl you’re always told that men only think about one thing when approaching you, it’s so nice to see comments proving this to be false. But I know many women, myself included that would be happy to be approached by a man, if done respectfully, and are always hoping to meet them in a natural way
Dude I appreciate his honesty
Because they don't want to go to jail? Makes sense
even rapists don't go to jail, you'll be fine.
@@katiemp670 falsely accused do and the one's who do raped sometimes tend to get smaller sentences than the ones accused.
@@Laughingyeen-00 please provide some stats on the falsely accused going to jail longer than rapists, and not isolated incidents like what percentage do u believe that is?
Disgust and disappointment override fear 9 times out of 10.
Long story short:
Social media has shaped the way we view men and women the last 20 yrs, for most women it has been “liberating” a “win” and “empowering”, for like 85% of men, we feel we have declined in like every way in the eyes of ourselves and a potential partner, and I believe what used to be fun and empowering being a man has become so much challenged, questioned and put under the microscope that, over time we has lost trust in women, ourselves and society as a whole.
We as a society tells men they’re useless and dangerous, incels and “subpar”.
I guess that, if you live enough in your iwn bubble you have not noticed it, this is a reflection Ive made of society as a whole, and individually we can feel ok, but man, men has to redefine what is means to be a man, and nowadays you have all the demands, but no genuine understanding of the roles anymore.
is this a joke? social media has very famously harmed women’s self esteem and increased women’s mental health issues, self harm and suicide
I agree with some of these points but its also really important to understand the perspective of women too. Theres so many reasons why women have their guards up towards men. Theres also many reasons why a lot of men dont find a partner.
@@evamb2254
Yeah, I get what you’re saying.
I do have a sister, and from her, I get much of the sentiments women today have abt men.
But what abt fairness though?
I expect a women to be fair to me, they show insecurity and resentment towards men, and as my sister calls is, she says men are ”creeps” and are too often ”to the point” while chatting.
Myself as someone that is considerate and maybe TOO shy to state my case when chatting, I feel we ALSO get the boot from women, I am not driving things forward enough.
So that leads me to this question, -is it any wonder many men join ”mgtown”??
If we are too careful or too nice, we might get labeled ”incel” or ”insecure”, if we come on too strong we are ”creeps” or ”players” all the while MOST men really wish for a stable relationship, but nowadays we get the boot from online women, and, as you’ve guessed, go our own way.
Is this womans or mens fault?
I blame society, for blowing up expectations and generalising ppl, we are all different, but society acts as if we are the same mould, and blow up wmns self esteem while telling young men: you suck! It gotta be the outcome that you now see, men will to s lesser degree pursue relationships, and women.
@@martinmartin9084 personally its very important to me to be kind to strangers and when men approach me in a nice way, even if im not interested in them, im always respectful. But some men will come off in a creepy way and obviously for our protection, we have to either ignore them or keep the conversation short to not make them think that they have a chance with us.
Ive had men follow me and harass me, unfortunately we cannot always tell which one will act like that, so for our safety, many women decide to just avoid men overall. Yes its very unfortunate, but if you were in their position, you would probably do the same.
Im not sure what you mean by « not driving things forward enough ».
As per your statement that said that if you are too nice you might be perceived as « incel » or « insecure », this is probably the biggest bs that have spread on the internet. So many men say this but in real life, i have many many friends that are woman and none of them would ever date a guy that is mean to them. Most of them would want a guy to treat them as an equal or that is head over heels for them.
For women, an incel is actually a guy that has deep hate for women. Not a guy who is nice to them.
I def agree that social media is making us more seperated than ever, but i also think womens fear of men is very much understandable and even though i agree that men have some disadvantages, i still know that we have a long way to go to get treated as equal individuals (if you want more explanations, let me know)
@@evamb2254
I can understand, kind of, that we have to see things from other peoples lenses.
I have a sister, she has this kind of (perhaps understandable) fear of men in general.
At the same time she was always into men that were not good to her, the opposite of ”simps” or ”nice guys”.
She just was never interested in the nice, more harmless dudes.
I guess it is to feel safe and protected, you need someone able to provide and protect, sadly many of those guys have an abundance of wmn at their disposal, and can ”afford” not to treat women very good.
Now we have the female movement of ”men going their own way” in society, and I feel it will be interesting to see where this gender wars will take us in 10-20 years.
When growing up, 20-30 yrs ago, I never imagined that society would become so divided as it is today.
We had much of the same issues, but the fear of rejection and the fear of others werent as strong I believe, you could politely show interest in a stranger, without worry or fear.
I would like never do that today, and no, I am not creepy though I AM getting older 😄
Are they afraid or just not wasting their time? Using the “you’re afraid” tactic so you’ll prove you’re not. Homophobe? Be gay to prove you’re not. When I was a kid we just called you chicken to get you to do stuff and then we laughed at you. Phobic sounds more mature so I guess it’s different.
Man I never made that connection to calling others chicken but that's exactly what it is
It's not just rejection now though, it's also false rape accusations, MeToo stuff. I think most Gen Z women now think that a man approaching a woman sometimes or always constitutes harassment. But at the same time, women want men to make the first move. But that's harassment....
Women said what they wanted, and it's for men to stay away from them.
Why are you living your life based off what society says?
@Chriss-ez7xk Because I like not being in prison, personally. I also like not being plastered all over social media and mass-shamed.
Why would one not live their life based on what society says? Society has immeasurable power compared to me.
Women wield that power and society will side with them by default without even considering my view. Obviously they get what they want, to be left alone.
@@Chriss-ez7xkbecause we live in a society
@@Chriss-ez7xkbecause you have to?
You should touch grass from time to time
It's got nothing to do with fear of approaching and a lot more to do with the long term financial disadvantages of doing anything with her.
Why don't people tell women to approach men?
@@nekemli2622 Its tradition. Traditionally for hundreds and hundreds of years, it was customary for a man to "pick" the woman (and when dating before marriage became commonplace it was customary for men to ask out the woman). Same reason why its customary for men to pay on dates and for men to be the one to propose. Im not saying its right, as society gets more equal that should definitely change. But if you have a problem with how men are expected to initiate everything whereas women are expected to be passive, then you have a problem with tradition lol.
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy women traditionally initiated by dropping their handkerchief for example or by doing other similiar things... so youre wrong
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy is not really tradition, is more just how it works... women dont need to move a finger to get men and if men do the same they wont get any women (normally)
You just sound cheap. What’s expensive about just hanging out at a cheap restaurant or walking downtown? What are you doing that’s expensive?
I've never seen Robert Greene laugh so hard
Every young man has either experienced or knows someone who had their name and reputation wrongly dragged through the mud by a woman that they approached, or even a woman they deeply cared for and dated for a long time.
With the “Me Too” crap it’s now very risky for men to approach women and ask them out or even flirt. If she decides you’re not up to her standards you’re automatically “creepy”. She can then proceed to run you up the flag pole and ruin your reputation or accuse you of “sexual harassment” as the definition of the term has become so broad that it includes basically anything the woman wants it to.
me too “crap” ??? women finally speaking about the sexual violence and harassment they’ve been forced to accept and be silent about for centuries is not some fad
@@adelina1531 not saying there aren’t past wrongs that too place, But you have to admit it’s been taken WAY too far. The entire make population is basically being punished for what a small percentage of the population engaged in.
@@rickstevenson9585 it hasn’t been taken nearly far enough. most rapists and domestic abusers still get off scot free. it’s absolutely NOT only a small percentage of men who harass and assault women or enable other men to do it. you’re not going to be accused of harassment if you nicely approach a woman in a social setting.
@@adelina1531 most men aren’t sex offenders. It would be like me saying it’s not a small percentage of women that divorce their husbands and take all their money and never allow them to see their kids. Wild exaggerations aren’t helpful or productive. And it only appears that most offenders get away with it ( how do we know they are guilty in the first place in he said she said situations that make up a lot of the cases. The legal standard is innocent until proven guilty, and there’s been a fair number of incidents of women making it up to lash out at a ex boyfriend that dumped her, her ahole boss she doesn’t like, etc.). And what social settings? No one goes out anymore, women just swipe left and right on guys from home. If you’re a guy that didn’t win the generic lottery, then you’re going to have to try and strike up a conversation with a real life woman out in public, you know the old fashion way.
@@rickstevenson9585 yeah that would be stupid to say because the percent of of divorces where women unfairly take too much money or don’t allow the dad to see the kids for an unjustified reason is literally minuscule??? yeah that’s exactly your problem that you think the number of women that lie about it is remotely significant especially since men literally lie about being victims of abuse and falsely report people of committing crimes more than women do?? (and men are more likely to win custody in a divorce if they actually ask for it so don’t start)
The honesty was refreshing. Why are people s fake these days?
Fear and Insecurity
The truth for me is that I feel that it's impossible for me to build that connection. I've noticed the same worldview even as I've grown older and stronger and better looking
Why do you feel that? maybe we can change that for you. It's best we don't die alone. Check me
It's not fear or intimidatoon, it's self-preservation and peace.
Now that I’m older I realized when I was younger I thought I needed “game” but now that I’m older I realized I just needed to be comfortable with who I was. Adding alcohol to social interactions also negatively affected my ability with women because I thought I needed alcohol to have fun.
Some say afraid others say know their worth or simply want to spend their time differently
i have a fear of women. women can influence how i think and what i can do in the moment or in the long run
I’m 41 and never been with a woman and now most women my age are married or single mothers. I guess now I’m gonna stay a single man, I’m ok with it.
It really isn't a bad deal, lean on friends and family.
hopefully you go to the gym a lot. You gotta release yourself physically somehow.
@@aculx2639 it’s weird so I have a free membership at Lifetime but during the week I can go from 9:30 AM to 3:30 PM only and on Sunday it’s free. I forgot what Saturday was cause my brother was talking to a employee on the phone.
@@aculx2639 you will get kicked out of the gym for jerking off!
You need to get some and then you can stay single if you want
Honestly it is great to hear Robert Greene laugh for real. Respect to both of you! And Eduardo....
You know what it is? From my experience, social media has taught me that there is no appropriate time to approach a woman. I’m afraid of being rejected because I feel as if no matter what I do, they’ll see me as a creep. Approaching women is already a scary thing to do, but social media has heightened the anxiety of the youth even more than normal.
Social. Media.
Yep.. the good ol' www aka internet
I call it the Women’s Narcissism Factory.
No not the internet.social media.like they said
What about gaming?
@@SisterT2242 absolutely not. One of the most avid gamers alive right here. No correlation. Just unchecked parenting, destruction of the nuclear family, aversion to moral standards, etc.
It’s really not a fear of them. It’s more like the risk reward ratio is like 9:1 in favor of risk and the reward just isn’t worth it. They’re not even fun to talk to.
If you think an entire gender isnt fun to talk to, then I reccommend trying to make more platonic female friends if possible.
90% fuckin stupid
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy Quiet down, you know they're fuckin stupid, first if all, and irrelevant, usually.
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy but you're not fun to talk to, only a few of you, and most of the time it's a lesbian or tomgirl, every other time you're not. LOL
Speaking from experience, it's not that we're afraid, it's that we've given up on it after getting rejected and ghosted literally constantly. A man can only take so much rejection.
Fear of rejection yes. Cant take anymore. Avoidance. Fear. Yes.
Also the biggest thing is “ caring”. The less you care, the better it goes.
And if you don't care you don't participate anyway, so it's a self-solving problem.
If you dont care, why do you even approach? Approaching a girl you are not interested in feels like nothing even if you get positive reply.
Ive never had a romantic experience/relationship with a woman that wasn’t initiated by the woman first. It’s just not worth being publicly humiliated and having your reputation ruined for going up and talking to a woman who isn’t interested in you.
Same this is the way I prefer to do things too
Cope. I’ve been rejected few times. Never regretted it
Why do you believe women would humiliate you? Is it something you've personally experienced or are you just afraid it might happen?
Personally, girls would always say:
Girl 1: Hey (my name), she has a crush on you
Girl 2: NO I DONT!
Happens all the fucking time, they ask for my number as a joke, too
I understand being rejected in a public setting can feel humiliating / embarassing, but most women are not going to go out of their way to publically humiliate you just for flirting with them, especially if you're respectful about it. If she's not interested, the vast majority of the time she will just try to end the interaction and leave the conversation. The vast majority of women are also not going to try and ruin your reputation just because theyre not interested in you and you flirted with them. For example, women get hit on all the time in club and bar settings by men theyre not interested in, the majority just accept the compliment and tell the guy theyre not interested. I understand the fear of rejection but theres a difference between being scared of rejection vs living in paranoia that women are going to publically humilite you and ruin your reputation.
Rejection is scary but I think young men should understand that being with someone that treats you like garbage is far worst than someone saying they're not interested trust me fellas once you're familiar with rejection it becomes the least of your worries
You’ve got brains 🧠
It's getting to the point where I'd rather be with someone who abuses me than to be alone. At least that person acknowledges my existence.
@@BillyOnUA-camure pathetic lol find self respect
Be alone guys, the juice isn't worth the squeeze, at least until we get the courts back to an even playing field.
I’ve learned that when you get rejected when I was single it made me say “it wasn’t that bad” and I was glad I took the risk. It’s apart of life and teaches you a lot about yourself
What is so difficult about women approaching men? I think that would solve this “problem”
Bingo. All this 'equality' stuff never seems to extend to women approaching men.
They are, they are swiping through thousands of men and only swiping on prince charming.
@@levansegnaro4637 that’s not “approaching” someone in the same context as they’re describing
Stop fighting biology and deal with it.
@@nickthompson1812 even men apparently make it too difficult. I think this is why the greater masses of men are checking out of this, something “enjoyable” shouldn’t be consistently difficult.
Your mom was right it’s that damn phone! Nobody wants to say it because everyone is addicted to it but it’s the only answer I’ve come across that holds water for me.
It even stated before the introduction of the iPhone so I guess you could argue the breakdown of community is the cause
@overlordfemto7523 no I disagree the internet is part of the problem but the phone is the catalyst. You can see it all around you how many people do you seen in your daily life that are glued to their phones and almost ignore the outside world? How many people walk around with AirPods/wireless headphones in and shut out the world?
Maybe I’m wrong but I’ve gone through all the excuses and causes and for me the breakdown of community and me me me culture is the problem and it seems like nobody wants to change anything
@overlordfemto7523 I think it's more that the smartphones made the internet highly accessible to literally everyone and their mothers in a brand new, extremely easy way that fits into your pocket. Prior to smartphones, if you wanted to browse the internet, you needed a computer. If you wanted to browse the internet anywhere, you needed a laptop.
Then when the iPhone dropped, Great Grandma and Baby Billy both had streamlined access to facebook, youtube, and the rest of the internet right in their pocket. This is what has led to the brain rot of society. The boomers, early millennials, and gen Alpha did not experience the internet in it's prime. They never saw the wild west era of the internet and what was capable. The iPhone marked the start of the "corporatized" internet.
The same people that taught my generation internet safety is the exact generation who gets scammed, believes propaganda, and became vane with social media.
The internet is the drug. The phone is the dealer
@@kalgore4906because theyre on the internet using their phone idiot
@@kalgore4906women didn't want to be approached before phones by regular dudes. You gotta understand, gen-z is the first time women can choose out of want and not need
We’re not afraid. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze. I’m not opposed to a relationship that forms organically, but the days of cold approaches are over
thank god for it, because it stops that urge of you giving your time, effort and money to a void. Just like Theo said, he called off the date once he got his fix online. He knows.
It's statistically safer not to. I've been robbed by an ex with my own gun (won in court tho).
Needless to say I'm terrified of getting in another relationship and I'm definitely not having kids...
I'm sorry man.. life is unpredictable. But being a father is the most predictably satisfying and rewarding part of life. Far beyond any other relationship.
Wrong choice of words "afraid".
Apprehensive, yes. Afraid, not really
When it comes down to it: confidence, awareness, respect, not having a fixed mindset, and timing are key factors. Learning how to read the room is important.
Edit: I left out money and looks out of my comment on purpose. Yes, they’re obviously important, but they’re not the ONLY/LEADING factors that matter or the end all be all. This is why so many men aren’t successful with approaching to begin with; they think it’s only those two factors. This is why you see some average guys that are great at approaching women, they already know this. Also keep in mind, each situation will be different.
Also $$, also genetic blessings
@@Bakarost Yes money and looks are obvious haha. Though, as we know those won’t always lead the way.
@@Burn143 they always do, i know you don't like to admit it, but we have stats to back that up.
@@Soundeagle3456 Sorry to tell you, but no, they don’t always. I have stats to back up what I’m saying as well. There are men that will actively try to refuse this though, but you have to understand that things aren’t always black and white. This is something I’ve studied and observed myself, both in and out of the lab. I know what I’m talking about. Respectively, thanks for your input though. :)
These are bizarre times, truly!
My daughter (19) met a guy in a grocery store, they exchanged numbers. Later they texted and found out they had a lot in common. This went on for 2 to 5 days then she asked if they could just talk on the phone (audio or video) instead of texting. He freaked out and said no, he is not comfortable with talking, he only wants to text, because that is the only way he can control his responses.
I mean this is not normal.
She said let’s meet up at a music store (since they both liked music) or for a burger.
Then no text for 5 hrs, then he texted that he had tried to set boundaries and she was trying to “cross the line”
After that nobody texted any more.
He looked nice and normal but maybe he was not human? Maybe he was a hybrid or shapeshifter alien? 🤷🏻♀️ She was crying and asked me what is going on. I was at a loss, I said I can not relate at all to this . This was also not the first time this kind of thing happened to her with young men (18 to 22). She is pretty, in college and also working part time, dresses nice etc.
Any men here that age group can you pls explain?
“No” has never been the worst thing she can say. These days the possibility also exists that she records you or runs to HR.
a lot of people dont get this because they have had mostly good experiences with vvomen
but saying stuff like this is "incel talk" even though its reality for most men lol
I hope they don't do that to me, my life already sucks so it'd drive me over the edge.
Well HR only exists at your workplace which is a pretty awful place to be trying your luck with approaches 😂
Regardless of HR why would you deliberately turn the place ur at everyday into a minefield of awkward encounters. Pick ANYWHERE else Bruh 😂😂
Well, don't ask your coworkers out then 😅
well what did you say to make her run to HR, because that's not most women's reaction. you're just chronically online lol
Young men are not scared to talk to women. What they are tired of is working their whole life to only have someone leave and take half your shit with them. Its just not worth it
this is really paranoid thinking.
@@dietlindvonhohenwald448No it’s not.
@@dietlindvonhohenwald448I’m from the uk but the American divorce system really does screw a man over big time marriage id be doing a prenup over there before she would get a ring on her finger
For me, its not even that Im afraid, I just dont know what to say or at least keep the conversation going lol
@@Metaphix haha, thanks for the answer man. I'll keep it in mind
Come up with a conversation fall back plan. Focus on experiences, family, career, dreams, hobbies, passions. There’s plenty of acronyms out there too. Start off with something relevant to the situation, and slowly build into deeper questions and deeper conversations. Interject with funny stories or your own experiences. If someone isn’t reciprocating, they don’t want to talk.
@@slopcrusher3482 thanks brother
It should not be hard. Talk about things you like, interrests, hobbies, or even anything related to where you are with the girl. School, job, pets, movies, food, cars, travel, nature, avoid politics though…
Get off of social media, stop porn, go outside. Eat healthier, exercise.
All of those made it way worse for me loooool except for the get off social media part
@@ethanbednarek8080 whyd it make it worse?
@@tourdel2people were accustomed to me being weak. As I grew stronger not much in terms of gym bro but complete health and fitness my family and friends saw me as an adversary. Family (all) and friends (few).
@@ethanbednarek8080how does friends and family make you worse with talking to women are you having sex with your friends and family?
I exercise, only on social media to meet people (small hick town with only bike access) meeting women is impossible in 🤠🏢
Man I can't even hold conversations or eye contact. Imagine being able to FLIRT. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE.
"He wasnt defensive"... that has been the key for me. You *must* learn to let things roll off your back, because you *will* be tested, and getting upset and defensive is the kiss of death.
I’m not afraid it’s just why approach when I know I will get rejected.
why do u say that?
You wont know if you dont try. Just believe in yourself and if you get rejected its kind of a good thing, it makes you stronger and you waste less time thinking "does this girl like me?" because you can just move on to the next one.
I understand you’re trying to be realistic in a sense, but this fixed mindset will hold you back. Like the comment above me said, believe in yourself and get rid of the preconceived notions beforehand. You may never know what could happen.💯
@@Burn143 it’s not holding me back it’s saving my life. Can you imagine what getting rejected over and over again will do to your mental health.
@@ashaaib I understand your sentiment. However, stop “imagining” just do. Getting rejected over and over again, at a point the individual just gets used to it; it becomes easier. Either way, lol you do you brother.
I think the reason is we all have this idea deep in our psyche that we can only sustain rejection so many times. It's akin to the idea that we can afford to lose only so much and still be us. Mostly it's a lie on the former. The later I don't know. But speaking to women just relax and talk to her like you would anyone else and be reasonable with who you approach or ask out. Don't approach a woman that looks like a super model unless you do too or are really rich. If you could somehow trick or connive her into a relationship with you it would be the worst mistake of your life. Of course there are always exceptions. Don't build your life around the possibility of outliers. Don't waste your life.
This is silly advice. How old are you? I'm the GOAT of this stuff and I cant say I approve of your message, at all.
@@Mountainofcharm You can't talk to women but you find my suggestion objectionable? OK educate me why you think men are afraid to approach women and why didn't you include that as a counter point. I have no idea what you think only that for no reason given you don't like what I think. You don't think part of the problem is there are a large number of shallow Hals out there that have looked at so much porn they think it's reasonable to approach women out of their league because I do. Sometimes getting close to the truth isn't comfortable but it's where hope is for those that will receive it.
@@darrellowings2343 I cant talk to women? what?!!! I'm literally the best seducer alive. That's a fact. Check me out. "Don't approach a woman if she looks like a supermodel unless you do too, or if you're rich" Thats the weakest crock of S, I've ever heard. There's a multitude of reasons but a major one is that weak beta males like you, who spread misinformation based on their own insecurities and inability to foster real confidence that isnt shaked by countless rejections, is one of the foremost reasons why most men are afraid to talk to women today.
@@darrellowings2343 lmao the fact that you say ANY woman is out of your league says a lot about your mindset, you basically put women above you and have made them God & idk if you’re even aware of it, no woman is out of your league. What would even make you even think that’s the case ?
@@Chriss-ez7xk this is the correct view.
Well, speaking for myself, I recently decided to have more of an attitude towards women and got some numbers and a date, but what I realized is that most of them expect you to be an amazing man, have unrealistic expectations or just give you attention until they find someone “better than you”. Many girls today desire exceptional men but give nothing in return.
I'm not the kind of guy who thinks no woman is good, but for now I'm the guy who won't waste my energy on girls anytime soon.
I gave a girl a compliment yesterday after helping her while I was working.
She had come up to me with a Massive smile that made me smile…. She immediately looked down with a face and walked away quickly.
Now, please comment as holes…. What did I ME MYSELF do wrong?
What excuse will you make for the rudeness and treating people like they don’t exist unless you want something?
Oh but it’s me right? I did something wrong, I spoke to her
Maybe you didn’t do anything wrong but the fact that you would bother even making this comment shows you don’t have the right mindset.
@Jackholiday1025 not at all, youre making assumptions about me based on me venting about a single event.
Besides, the interaction was short and i didnt expect anything more then reciprocated human decency
So again, please try and tell me about MY mindset and how YOU know so much about it.
Id love to hear more about me, please what else do you know?
You know what i was thinking and doing? You know what i wanted and expected?
Oh, no im just not allowed to he upset when someone treats me as if i somehow wronged them and/or did something to make them feel uncomfortable?
Tell me how i should act and feel?
I mean as far as i knew swallowing it and not pressing the issue is whats the thing to do... And what i did.
So tell me more about how my mindset was anything about anything
Tell me im not allowed to be bothered and vent
Tell me, go ahead
Cause i fail to see your stupid as point
For me I talk to them sometimes but I feel like society has taken power away from me and then I just don’t feel like trying to persuade someone to keep their attention on me. My government sucks and I’m trying my ass off everyday to stay afloat in this economy. But when I do talk to a girl that actually cares, it’s a really good feeling that lifts me for a little bit :)
Problem for me is logical fears and thoughts have shaped my mechanical instinct and control. Its not about logic anymore, my body and voice naturally operate specifically to avoid embarrassment. I can't dance or be in the moment around people.
It's like if you trust someone a lot, and they tell you this vicious dog won't attack you but it looks really scary and mean so you're still tense. The person you trust is your own inner monologue. The dog is people and embarrassment.
Wow very well said. Great analogy as well.
I'd rather get unnecessary dental work.
The funny thing is, I'm tall outgoing and attractive. Women want to talk to me . But I still see how bad it is to date so I try to avoid them.
More to life than chasing tail.
there’s gotta be some kind of degree that Von is trolling my boy Greene
"The lighting" 🤣🤣💀