Another great explanation, Colin! Thanks for helping us understand how another piece of Premiere Pro works. It would help me - and probably many others - if we could get a better understanding of when we ought to use 5.1 instead of merely stereo. For example, if we're only producing for UA-cam, then stereo only is enough, but for ... ?? To take that one step further, maybe it would help to get an overview of all the various kinds of "end product" uses for videos made by Premiere Pro, and what might be the top-contender output settings for each?
UA-cam doesn't support 5.1 so it's not much use there. 5.1 playback requires hardware to work, like a DVD or Blu-ray player so it's a lot of effort. Also, you won't hear it on your computer unless you have an interface with 6 separate outputs and 6 speakers. Just so you know, I've never created anything that needed 5.1. I appreciate the suggestion on creating an "end product" tutorial but there really isn't any specific formats that stand out. There are just too many formats to cover. I hope that makes sense.
If I import a 5.1 file and a stereo file and combine them into one file and export using 5.1 settings, does that keep the 5.1 information on the 5.1 part of the file and keep the stereo file in stereo sound format? TLDR: Can I for example put a stereo audio track on a 5.1 audio file? EDIT you already gave the answer in the video i'm an idiot.
I don't touch AAC 5.1 anymore because the channel mapping is slightly different for 5.1 as Dolby does L R C LFE Ls Rs and I believe AAC goes L C R LFE Ls Rs and after 5.1 you can run into some serious channel mapping issues just an FYI from a guy who was obsessed with 6.1 and 7.1! I liked 6.1's symmetry and felt less of a "hole" with a Center Rear Surround when watching movies! I always noticed when DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 was mixed well and some of the first Dolby TrueHD 7.1 mix's are just amazing. A good 7.1 mix can be downmixed to 5.1EX nicely and a good AV receiver could restore a lot of that 7.1 experience. I think it is a shame that Dolby and DTS aren't more permissive with provide even just basic AC-3 encoders with 5.1 as well as alternative options like 4.0/4.1 to replicate or restore quadrophonic mix's for example (of course I have just done 5.1 with no LFE or center use). DTS vs Dolby is a home theater food fight to avoid! Having said much about Dolby I like DTS's options to encode both 6.1 Discrete channel surround sound and Matrix channel the latter being similar to Dolby Digital EX which is a 5.1 channel mix with the "phantom" center-surround encoded out of phase and decoded by the AV receiver. I have yet to see options for even mixing 7.1 given the fact that admittedly the market for even 5.1 is slim but I will always be a fan of having those rear surrounds in addition to the existing surrounds mean not to be directly behind you but to the side and slightly to the rear.
Thank you very much for sharing! Question, please: "When I export to AAC 5.1, a previously encoded movie audio track in DD 5.1 channels (that I needed to edit and synchronize in Premiere Pro), even if the "5.1" audio track appears correctly in the timeline (with all the different tracks visible and with their own waveforms), testing the exported multi-channel track on my Home Theatre, each track is "equally duplicated" on every single L, R, C, SL, SR track, while the LFE is mute!" So it's a kind of "fake" 5.1. Do you know why, please?
Hi Colin. Thanks, that was a useful run through of 5.1 options. At the time Adobe dropped Dolby I was under the impression PPr said that Windows was licensed for Dolby. If that is true is there a way to harness that in the export flow?
It's be great if you showed a quick tutorial on audio monitoring in 5.1 when you have multichannel out. I have an ASIO device connected with 6 individual channel (speaker) outs and also a receiver connected via toslink through the MB audio out and NEITHER of them allow me to output 6 channels or 5.1 for monitoring while mixing. I can only see 2 speaker icons in the Audio Hardware preference pane even though it shows access to multiple channels. I know I'm just one tutorial (or several hours of fumbling) away from figuring it out!
You need six powered speakers connected to your six outs on the ASIO interface. For control, look in the Audio Hardware preferences in Premiere Pro. My home theatre is in another room so I can't connect to it to show monitoring.
Hi, I had question.. my sounds designer sent me 5.1 mix file and I have to put this mix file in video timeline and export as 5.1 mix so which setting should be there required.. can you help me with this..
Thanks for the video! I have the question of how to check the 5.1 audio with a home theater. Maybe its a beginner question, but as all systems seem to need Dolby or DTS, a plain 5.1 export seems kind of pointless since it can't be properly separated. Is there any specific method?
@@VideoRevealed I made a movie in 5.1 with the 2017 Adobe Premiere that had Dolby support. Sounded perfect, correct audio separation. However, when I try exporting the movie in the later version of Premiere, with no Dolby, and using the 5.1 aac option, it also throws my center channel to the right and left speakers. I've tried every workaround I could, but nothing worked. So I have to do all my exporting from the Premiere that has Dolby. Quite annoying (and its keeping me from upgrading my OS since I'm pretty sure the old Premiere won't work with the new Mac OS.
Hey Mr.Smith not sure if you have this issue but basically everytime i do Dynamic Link in premiere pro to after effects it works fine but then when i clean the disk cache in after effects because i need to save space the sound in premiere pro from the after effects composition stops working i always have to re import the composition again is there a solution to this? I'm using Adobe Premiere Pro/After Effects CC 2019. Is it better to just disable media cache in after effects to fix this issue?
The cache is saving the audio preview needed so when you empty it, Premiere Pro needs to rebuild it. The cache is not meant to be operated in that way, it's really a set it and forget it thing. My only suggestion is to add more drive space for the cache. In After Effects, the Disk Cache is much more important and can take a ton of drive space. The trade off is longer rendering if you don't use it, but I think it's worth it to have a separate SSD (minimum 128 GB) just for that.
Heyy Colin. Jason Levine has a recent tutorial on 5.1 and i remember seeing Dolby Digital option there. I wonder if he just has a paid update but it looked like it was a Preset
Hello Colin - Thanks for creating this tutorial... very much appreciated! I'm having a strange channel 'ordering' issue with exporting 5.1 with a H.264 codec in Prem Pro 2019. I'm wondering if you can help. In my time-line the mono tracks are ordered (L, R, C, Lfe, Ls, Rs) as intended. Likewise, the output summary, as I prepare to export, shows this same ordering. However, when I open the exported file in Quicktime, and click on 'Show Movie Inspector', the ordering of channels seems incorrect - it displays (C, L, R, Ls, Rs, LFE). To double check the file, I popped that same exported file back into my Prem Pro timeline, and things seemed fine (L, R, C, Lfe, Ls, Rs). Scratching my head a little here as to why Quicktime would display incorrect ordering. Should I just ignore this piece of metadata, or does the film's audio risk playing incorrectly in a theatrical setting? Much thanks for your time.
Sorry for the late reply but it's very difficult trying to find comments I've not replied to. In your example my take is that QuickTime Player is ignoring what Premiere Pro is doing. My suggestion is to play the original file in a 5.1 environment and see who's correct. In my tests, Premiere Pro creates proper channelization.
Great video thanx, I have a QuickTime with 5.1 AND stereo (on 7&8). I can import it and make a sequence, so I have Audio 1 with 5.1 and Audio 2 with left/right. All fine until here. But when I want to export exactly the same way, (Quicktime) I can only choose 5.1.. How can I export both, like it came in?
@@VideoRevealed thanx very much, it helped. (But why 9 channels? 5.1+stereo=8, right?) However, I managed to put everything on multichannel, separate mono tracks and then did the mapping, I found that pretty complicated to figure out that I have to put channels on full left and full right etc. It would be pretty helpful to have an export option which says simply yes, you can export exactly what is on the timeline... for dummies like me;-)
So as I understand it Premiere Pro CC as of may 2019 still had the Sound panners in it but it's just the Dolbe 5.1 format that is not available for out put. Now anyone of the afore mentioned outputs will/should work with my VIZIO 5.1 Channel Sound Bar System with Wireless Subwoofer? Thanks for your time.
Whatever is the latest version at the time of publishing this tutorial. Adobe removed Dolby Digital after I posted this. You might find this useful: ua-cam.com/video/Vk9du3Jsc4E/v-deo.html
This is bonkers! Vimeo youtube dont support 5.1 ....DVD and Blu Ray do, so they stop the method of getting from Premiere to Blu ray? The only format that gives true HD and 5.1 sound ?
Another great explanation, Colin! Thanks for helping us understand how another piece of Premiere Pro works.
It would help me - and probably many others - if we could get a better understanding of when we ought to use 5.1 instead of merely stereo. For example, if we're only producing for UA-cam, then stereo only is enough, but for ... ??
To take that one step further, maybe it would help to get an overview of all the various kinds of "end product" uses for videos made by Premiere Pro, and what might be the top-contender output settings for each?
UA-cam doesn't support 5.1 so it's not much use there.
5.1 playback requires hardware to work, like a DVD or Blu-ray player so it's a lot of effort. Also, you won't hear it on your computer unless you have an interface with 6 separate outputs and 6 speakers. Just so you know, I've never created anything that needed 5.1.
I appreciate the suggestion on creating an "end product" tutorial but there really isn't any specific formats that stand out. There are just too many formats to cover. I hope that makes sense.
If I import a 5.1 file and a stereo file and combine them into one file and export using 5.1 settings, does that keep the 5.1 information on the 5.1 part of the file and keep the stereo file in stereo sound format? TLDR: Can I for example put a stereo audio track on a 5.1 audio file? EDIT you already gave the answer in the video i'm an idiot.
I don't touch AAC 5.1 anymore because the channel mapping is slightly different for 5.1 as Dolby does L R C LFE Ls Rs and I believe AAC goes L C R LFE Ls Rs and after 5.1 you can run into some serious channel mapping issues just an FYI from a guy who was obsessed with 6.1 and 7.1! I liked 6.1's symmetry and felt less of a "hole" with a Center Rear Surround when watching movies! I always noticed when DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 was mixed well and some of the first Dolby TrueHD 7.1 mix's are just amazing. A good 7.1 mix can be downmixed to 5.1EX nicely and a good AV receiver could restore a lot of that 7.1 experience.
I think it is a shame that Dolby and DTS aren't more permissive with provide even just basic AC-3 encoders with 5.1 as well as alternative options like 4.0/4.1 to replicate or restore quadrophonic mix's for example (of course I have just done 5.1 with no LFE or center use). DTS vs Dolby is a home theater food fight to avoid! Having said much about Dolby I like DTS's options to encode both 6.1 Discrete channel surround sound and Matrix channel the latter being similar to Dolby Digital EX which is a 5.1 channel mix with the "phantom" center-surround encoded out of phase and decoded by the AV receiver. I have yet to see options for even mixing 7.1 given the fact that admittedly the market for even 5.1 is slim but I will always be a fan of having those rear surrounds in addition to the existing surrounds mean not to be directly behind you but to the side and slightly to the rear.
Thanks for your thoughts. Too bad Adobe doesn't ship with a Dolby license anymore.
You are incredibly easy to understand, Colin. Love your tutorials 🙏🏴🌷🇨🇦
Thanks Karen.
Sorry for the late reply but a whole bunch of comments did not show up for me from 3 weeks ago.
Never worry about that, Colin! No need to reply to me - you must be so busy! 💻
Thank you very much for sharing! Question, please:
"When I export to AAC 5.1, a previously encoded movie audio track in DD 5.1 channels (that I needed to edit and synchronize in Premiere Pro), even if the "5.1" audio track appears correctly in the timeline (with all the different tracks visible and with their own waveforms), testing the exported multi-channel track on my Home Theatre, each track is "equally duplicated" on every single L, R, C, SL, SR track, while the LFE is mute!" So it's a kind of "fake" 5.1. Do you know why, please?
My only guess is the mapping is different than what your receiver is expecting?
Hi Colin. Thanks, that was a useful run through of 5.1 options. At the time Adobe dropped Dolby I was under the impression PPr said that Windows was licensed for Dolby. If that is true is there a way to harness that in the export flow?
There are several Dolby licenses but the professional license still needs to be purchased.
VideoRevealed thanks. Yes, I did some basic research and licensing Dolby is a very complex situation...
great tutorial sir,love from Mumbai,India❤️
I'm glad you liked it.
Where Can i Buy The Dolby License?
It's be great if you showed a quick tutorial on audio monitoring in 5.1 when you have multichannel out. I have an ASIO device connected with 6 individual channel (speaker) outs and also a receiver connected via toslink through the MB audio out and NEITHER of them allow me to output 6 channels or 5.1 for monitoring while mixing. I can only see 2 speaker icons in the Audio Hardware preference pane even though it shows access to multiple channels. I know I'm just one tutorial (or several hours of fumbling) away from figuring it out!
You need six powered speakers connected to your six outs on the ASIO interface. For control, look in the Audio Hardware preferences in Premiere Pro.
My home theatre is in another room so I can't connect to it to show monitoring.
Will the h.264 codec properly channel the 5.1 export since its only AAC and not Dolby Digital?
Your explain videos are REALLY GOOD - thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad you like them!
I have a 640 kbps AC3 file that I want to burn to Blu Ray or AVCHD (i.e. create a slideshow). What software can do this today?
I don't have any suggestions, sorry.
none of those have 5.1 option in my premiere pro. Did they stop 5.1 support after ver.2019?
Does this work correctly in all movie theatre ? Plz reply sir
I mean L R C LFE LS RS
Hi, I had question.. my sounds designer sent me 5.1 mix file and I have to put this mix file in video timeline and export as 5.1 mix so which setting should be there required.. can you help me with this..
Here's a tutorial that shows you non-Dolby formats:
ua-cam.com/video/Vk9du3Jsc4E/v-deo.html
Thanks for the video! I have the question of how to check the 5.1 audio with a home theater. Maybe its a beginner question, but as all systems seem to need Dolby or DTS, a plain 5.1 export seems kind of pointless since it can't be properly separated. Is there any specific method?
I fairly certain your home theater will playback any 5.1 source, it doesn't have to be a licensed codec.
@@VideoRevealed I made a movie in 5.1 with the 2017 Adobe Premiere that had Dolby support. Sounded perfect, correct audio separation. However, when I try exporting the movie in the later version of Premiere, with no Dolby, and using the 5.1 aac option, it also throws my center channel to the right and left speakers. I've tried every workaround I could, but nothing worked. So I have to do all my exporting from the Premiere that has Dolby. Quite annoying (and its keeping me from upgrading my OS since I'm pretty sure the old Premiere won't work with the new Mac OS.
Hey Mr.Smith not sure if you have this issue but basically everytime i do Dynamic Link in premiere pro to after effects it works fine but then when i clean the disk cache in after effects because i need to save space the sound in premiere pro from the after effects composition stops working i always have to re import the composition again is there a solution to this? I'm using Adobe Premiere Pro/After Effects CC 2019. Is it better to just disable media cache in after effects to fix this issue?
The cache is saving the audio preview needed so when you empty it, Premiere Pro needs to rebuild it. The cache is not meant to be operated in that way, it's really a set it and forget it thing. My only suggestion is to add more drive space for the cache.
In After Effects, the Disk Cache is much more important and can take a ton of drive space. The trade off is longer rendering if you don't use it, but I think it's worth it to have a separate SSD (minimum 128 GB) just for that.
awesome. Exactly what I needed. Thank you :)
Fantastic.
Do I need to pan the individual 5.1 stems? in my mix window, they are all straight up. I need to know ASAP! Thanks!
Yes, you need to manually pan them. Here's a tutorial:
ua-cam.com/video/Tb4HwSUrAjw/v-deo.html
Actually if you had not made this video then i would be searching for other software to do the same. Thank you very very much
I'm glad it was helpful.
Heyy Colin. Jason Levine has a recent tutorial on 5.1 and i remember seeing Dolby Digital option there. I wonder if he just has a paid update but it looked like it was a Preset
Dolby Digital was removed in the 2019 version so Jason's video would before that time.
Hello Colin - Thanks for creating this tutorial... very much appreciated! I'm having a strange channel 'ordering' issue with exporting 5.1 with a H.264 codec in Prem Pro 2019. I'm wondering if you can help. In my time-line the mono tracks are ordered (L, R, C, Lfe, Ls, Rs) as intended. Likewise, the output summary, as I prepare to export, shows this same ordering. However, when I open the exported file in Quicktime, and click on 'Show Movie Inspector', the ordering of channels seems incorrect - it displays (C, L, R, Ls, Rs, LFE). To double check the file, I popped that same exported file back into my Prem Pro timeline, and things seemed fine (L, R, C, Lfe, Ls, Rs). Scratching my head a little here as to why Quicktime would display incorrect ordering. Should I just ignore this piece of metadata, or does the film's audio risk playing incorrectly in a theatrical setting? Much thanks for your time.
PS - it seems some others are having a similar problem, but not yet answered - forums.adobe.com/thread/2378016
Sorry for the late reply but it's very difficult trying to find comments I've not replied to.
In your example my take is that QuickTime Player is ignoring what Premiere Pro is doing. My suggestion is to play the original file in a 5.1 environment and see who's correct. In my tests, Premiere Pro creates proper channelization.
@@VideoRevealed - Thanks kindly for taking the time to reply!
Great video thanx,
I have a QuickTime with 5.1 AND stereo (on 7&8). I can import it and make a sequence, so I have Audio 1 with 5.1 and Audio 2 with left/right. All fine until here. But when I want to export exactly the same way, (Quicktime) I can only choose 5.1.. How can I export both, like it came in?
Try a multichannel master with 9 channels. The first 7 are surround and the last two are stereo.
@@VideoRevealed thanx very much, it helped. (But why 9 channels? 5.1+stereo=8, right?) However, I managed to put everything on multichannel, separate mono tracks and then did the mapping, I found that pretty complicated to figure out that I have to put channels on full left and full right etc. It would be pretty helpful to have an export option which says simply yes, you can export exactly what is on the timeline... for dummies like me;-)
So as I understand it Premiere Pro CC as of may 2019 still had the Sound panners in it but it's just the Dolbe 5.1 format that is not available for out put. Now anyone of the afore mentioned outputs will/should work with my VIZIO 5.1 Channel Sound Bar System with Wireless Subwoofer? Thanks for your time.
Here's a tutorial on alternative 5.1 formats:
ua-cam.com/video/Vk9du3Jsc4E/v-deo.html
Superb
You're great
Keep it up
Thanks.
@@VideoRevealed Welcome aboard!
What is your Premiere version? Thank you!
Whatever is the latest version at the time of publishing this tutorial.
Adobe removed Dolby Digital after I posted this. You might find this useful: ua-cam.com/video/Vk9du3Jsc4E/v-deo.html
my system specs are ...cpu - intel i5-4590 ram ... 12gb ... paired with gtx 1050ti which one of the version will be good for me
Always use the most recent version.
@@VideoRevealed so i need an upgrade to M 10TH GEN OF I5 INTEL CPU PAIRED WITH GTX 1650S (16gb ram)
Como fazer um dcp 5.1 no Premiere CC 2021?
I don't have that version installed anymore. In the current version you just pick Wraptor DCP and in the audio settings change it to 5.1.
Quick time /apple ProRes422 only has stereo and two channel. no 5.1 anywhere. Why is that happening?
Adobe doesn't own QuickTime, Apple does. So they only use what Apple allows them to use.
How do I find your tutorials in Spanish? please, i'm from Argentina
I don't have any. Sorry.
I'm a follower of yours, you already have my subscription and like
Thanks for your support.
Thanks for information
You're welcome.
thx for the update
My pleasure.
This is bonkers! Vimeo youtube dont support 5.1 ....DVD and Blu Ray do, so they stop the method of getting from Premiere to Blu ray? The only format that gives true HD and 5.1 sound ?
I would find another program for disc authoring.
@@VideoRevealed I dont think there is an affordable program. The internet oligarchs have decided we cannot make DVD or Blu Rays
I watched the previous video and then spent twenty minutes trying to figure out why I don't have dolby digital as an option hahaha
good
Thanks.
Premiere is supposed to be 'leading software'. WFT? You can't even make a simple DVD with AC-3 5.1???
Adobe removed disk based creation about 10 years ago.