Zoom G3N Creating a Shadows sound
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2021
- How to modify pre-installed patches - including a demo of modifying one to create a "Shadows type" sound.
I have had a request to provide clearer pictures of the actual settings, which can now be viewed at the following link: tinyurl.com/576kf58u
Just to confirm, all sound settings from the ZOOM are played through a pre-amp into Garageband, where I use the "Brit & Clean" Amp setting, with all controls turned to zero and all switches in the "off" position, so the amplifier in Garageband has no further effect on the sounds. Hope this helps.
Thanks Alan it was great to hear from you. I'll have a good look at this tonight. I did buy that little Vox VX15GT but I haven't had the time to put the Vox and the ZOOM 3GN together just yet. I've done quite a few gigs since we last talked and when time allows me I'll be right into the Shadows. Take care my friend and we'll talk soon, cheers Mate.
Thank you for doing this is clean & gentle sound, sound & playing so awesome!!. I used to have Zoom G3 now I'm digging this one. Cheers!!
Yes, it's a really versatile piece of kit, but too many "thrash" settings for my own requirements. I'm currently trying to create a setting to emulate the sound of the MacMull in this video, but having great difficulty! ua-cam.com/video/OGKnxfDJO4c/v-deo.html
@@Ayjay2785 Awesome!! Thanks
I found this by accident... have been looking for a shadows sound on my g3n... thanks indeed...
Thanks for your kind comment. Glad you like it. I've recently been working on another for "Theme for Young Lovers," which I'll add soon.
@@Ayjay2785 You are welcome...needed to download the soft echo delay. Looking for Hank Marvin's sleepwalk sound. thanks again.
@@ajlmirrormist Hi, Just to let you know that I've just uploaded a new patch for the ZOOM G3n, which you can view at: ua-cam.com/video/4tB1yK7Z0DE/v-deo.html.
Hi, Just to let you know that I've just uploaded a new patch for the ZOOM G3n, which you can view at: ua-cam.com/video/4tB1yK7Z0DE/v-deo.html.
HI Alan, I found very useful your detailed video and explanations. Just I hope these will be also appleid for my Zoom G3X. To get Atlantis echo and reverb is a true challenge to me. Thanks a lot my friend & Cheers from Barcelona !!!
Hi Rafael, Thanks for your comments, glad you found it useful. Have you also viewed my more recent video, which has more "echo repeats," that might perhaps suit you better. You can view it at: ua-cam.com/video/4tB1yK7Z0DE/v-deo.html. Thanks, Alan
Sounds great
Eyemack: All comments have disappeared for some reason, since I edited my own comments, as above. I've obviously inadvertently deleted the original clearer pictures of settings - but they've now been uploaded again - see link above. Piccicato (pizzicato, I stand corrected! Sorry, I'm old school and the spelling/meaning has changed.) Yes, I use that setting all the way through any tune, then just damp the strings at the bridge, with the edge of my palm to get that effect. Hope this gets to you - and helps.
The following UA-cam videos are some that I found that were useful for me, relating to this Effects Processor - Hope you find them useful:
"Zoom G3N quick startup" - very useful demo of the unit, showing basic instructions for making and saving patches:
ua-cam.com/video/uveGouPZ1lA/v-deo.html
A demonstration of alternative settings to create a soft, gentle echo sound, (settings shown from 4 mins on.)
ua-cam.com/video/0lOmW4-Y-Ug/v-deo.html
"Dawson Music" demonstration of all 75 patches, (Guitarist a bit OTT at times though!)
ua-cam.com/video/Bogs2eQxE6E/v-deo.html
Demo by Dave Monk, (Old Guitar Monkey) demonstrating how to get a Shadows sound for Atlantis on an AX300G Sound Processor. His method of creating settings has some similarities and gave me the inspiration to investigate the settings on the Zoom G3N:
ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Dave+monk%2C+setting+for+Atlantis
I have just bought one of these and been searching around trying to find some good shadows settings, but without success, you seem to have nailed it with your great sounds, any idea if you know where Shadows patches or settings can be found
Thanks for your comments John, but there are no pre-set Shadows settings on the G3N unfortunately,. Another of my video's mentions that I did a short recording of each setting, to determine how they all sounded and which I felt were best for me to modify. If you search for "The Shadows Backing Tracks free download" on UA-cam, you'll find links to a number of tracks - many (supposedly) by The Shadows.
Hi Alan, thanks for this. I just got my G3Xn and I applied your settings, but I get a huge discrepancy in volume levels between your 2 patches even though they look the same on device. When you play sound through your patches, they sound very different, a lot more than I am hearing. Do you do something extra, e.g. some sort of muting, when using the pizzicato one? Is it possible to make the patches available for download? Also, your link for the settings doesn't work. Thanks again.
Hi, You're the only person to have flagged this up, which makes me wonder if ZOOM have changed the settings on the units. The only volume adjustments I make are through my DAW software (GarageBand,) or on my audio interface, plus damping the strings at the bridge when playing piccicato. Whilst I can see no reason why volume should be different between my (probably 4 year old) G3N and your G3XN, (which I believe has the pedal,) I'd suggest emailing either ZOOM, or the Company you bought it from, if yours is a new one, to ask the question. I'll check it out my end sometime this week, plus the links. Cheers, Alan
@@Ayjay2785 Thanks Alan. The basic Dreamworld has changed as it now has Tape Echo and Hall in place of AnalogDLY and SoftEcho. I replaced them though. So, with the pizzicato (not piccicato), are you kicking it in when the pizzicato sections come in and just muting with your palm, or do you just use that patch for the whole of the songs that have pizzicato sections? Putting a link to the patches would be great just in case I have something wrong going on!
@@eyemack Hi Eyemack: All comments have disappeared for some reason, since I edited my own comments, as above. I've obviously inadvertently deleted the original clearer pictures of settings - but they've now been uploaded again - see link above. Piccicato (pizzicato, I stand corrected! Sorry, I'm old school and the spelling/meaning has changed.) Yes, I use that setting all the way through any tune, then just damp the strings at the bridge, with the edge of my palm to get that effect.
Finally someone who shows what matters. I have Alesis q2 without eftp. I was helplessly looking all over the net for any delays for this old Q2 (still good for Shadows) FORUM Charlie Hall I was shamelessly fired as if I wanted to take something from his mouth or his wallet .... thanks for such a forum . Then I set to hard work on Alesis q2 on my own and with the help of state-of-the-art instrumentation such as a digital memory oscilloscope ... an audio spectrum analyzer..other and other a lot of pc software analyzed certain Shadows echoes. Of course I haven't finished everything yet but at the moment I'm happy with the results for songs like Wanderful Land, Atlantis, Cossy, Dance On etc ... no worse patches than the original eftp. I’ve been through the hell of a door in my life. I will not write these stories here. But I can be stubborn and persistent. I have no intention of slandering anyone.
Mr. Alan Bliss thank you very much for this selfless video of your showing shadows settings on zoom g3n. I also have a zoom g3xn which is the same as g3n only it has an expression pedal. 3 years ago I bought eftp for the aforementioned my pedal and after a while found it to be fake and unrealistic. Some want to earn on the account of other people's fair payments at all costs. it is a pity that the world is like that. But I see exceptions to be found. I apologize for my English ... my home is Trieste in Italy
Ciao Patrizia, grazie mille per i tuoi gentili commenti. Confesso di non aver mai sentito parlare di un Alesis Q2, ma avendolo cercato su Google e visto alcune demo su UA-cam, devo dire che anche se non dà eco di tipo "The Shadows", ha molte più patch che sono più il mio stile. Il problema con lo ZOOM G3N è che ci sono troppi suoni “thrash metal”, mentre io cerco suoni più silenziosi e dolci - quindi se volete venderlo - ad un prezzo RAGIONEVOLE (!) fatemelo sapere! E NO - Non parlo italiano, ma spero che "Google Translate" abbia funzionato, è una magia, quindi con un po' di fortuna, puoi capire la mia risposta! Ciao, Alan
Hello Alan, just received my G3n and I'm trying to get my head around your settings (Shadows) would you please tell me how you got 004 Dreamworld over to 078 Dreamworld (Left to Right) and saved. Thank you mate.
Hi Gary, When "Dreamworld" is lit on the ZOOM, press the "Press to Enter" button, (top right,) then press the "Menu" button alongside. Now use "Press to Enter" button to scroll right until it highlights "Save" - Press the "Press to Enter" button again, so that "SAVE" is lit in the left hand window, then keep scrolling clockwise with the "Press to Enter" button, until the right hand window shows an empty patch, then press the "Press to Enter" button again, turn it one click left so that "Yes" is highlighted, then press it again, to save it to the empty patch. Sounds convoluted, but it's not, once you do it. Just in case you have another problem - I've also had a query on which patch settings I used, which has been answered above (in Google translated French!!) If you get stuck on sorting out which are the right patches, highlight the above response that starts "Salut Miguel," copy and paste it into Google "French to English" and hopefully all will become clear! Cheers, Alan
Hi Gary, Just to let you know that I've just uploaded a new patch for the ZOOM G3n, which you can view at ua-cam.com/video/4tB1yK7Z0DE/v-deo.html.
Hi Alan , great video. What’s the difference from this zoomG3 . Compering it , With the zoom G3xn?
Hi Joe, Thanks. I believe the G3 is an earlier version. This link will take you to a demo of the G3 - if you like a "thrash" metal sound! (Personally, I'm not a fan, which is one of the reasons I did my video's, plus some links to other demo's of the G3N.) www.google.com/search?q=ZOOM+G3+effects+pedal&rlz=1C5CHFA_enGB975GB975&oq=ZOOM+G3+effects+pedal&aqs=chrome..69i57.7381j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6e7f6e68,vid:unI-3jNlpHY
Hello Alan I have zoom g3 delay pedal with r hall patches in threw a Roland cube 40 amp set on clean sound with bass1 mid 8 tremble2 but it sounds rubbish not like the zoom g3 set up you get is it better than g3 or is my setting on my amp wronge or do I need a new amp Ps do you put yours threw a computer any help will be very much appreciated it is putting me of playing Thanks pete
Thanks for getting in touch. First:- Yes, the sound on this UA-cam video was produced on a computer, using Garageband software. I don't actually have an amplifier - I use a small TV sound-bar to listen to the output while playing, but the sounds on the video are directly from the computer software, saved as an mp3 file. My guitar is plugged into the ZOOM G3N, which is then plugged into a Behringer UMC202 pre-amp, (purely a pre-amp - has no effect on tones,) and from there into my Macbook computer. The only elements affecting the tones are the ZOOM G3N and the Garageband software. I'm not familiar with your G3 model, but I understand it's been discontinued and looking on UA-cam, the demo's date back to 2011/2012, whereas the G3N is much more recent and I'm guessing the method of creating patches is therefore quite different. My own, personal opinion is, that you should only need to replace your ZOOM G3 if you can't get good tones, as I would guess your amp can be tested independently to check if there's any distortion. Hope this helps. Alan
Hi Peter, I've just found this on UA-cam - does it help for your unit, as I think the only difference is the addition of a pedal on the G3X. Alan
Sir Do u hav any heating issue right over the left corner of the display of the Zoom G3XN ?? If then is it natural or its a gear fault ????
Plz reply sir i need it so bad.
Not that ever been aware of, but I have to say, I've never touched that area to check. Mine is just the G3n though, not the G3Xn, which I believe has the pedal. Personally, I'd get it checked out - or better still, return it!
@@Ayjay2785 both the pedals have same board.....so the issue will be same......if u hav issue like me plz tell wheather its normal or not ??
No, mine's fine
Bonjour Alan
Très intérressant votre vidéo,j'envisage de m'achter un pedalier Zoom,G3N,ou G5N,pourrais t'on avoir les paramètres pour les patches Shadows?
Merci d'avance,votre vidéo est très intérressante,très bien faite,bravo
J'attends votr réponse
Merci
Miguel
Salut Miguel, je préfère ne pas publier mon adresse e-mail, j'espère que vous comprendrez, mais je viens d'ajouter plus d'informations à la description de la vidéo UA-cam, avec un lien sur lequel vous pouvez cliquer, qui vous mènera à un dossier dans ma zone de stockage cloud 'box'. Celui-ci contient des « photos » en gros plan pour les paramètres de patch individuels pour « Blue Star » et « Shad Picci » qui devraient vous permettre de voir les paramètres individuels plus clairement. Salut, Alain
Hi Miguel, My understanding is that the G3NX is the same model as the G3N, but with the addition of a pedal. I'm not familiar with the G5N I'm afraid, so can't comment on the patches in that. "Shad Picci" is short for "Shadows Piccicato," which was the descriptive name that I gave to the final patch once I'd created it.
@@Ayjay2785
Hello Alan
Merci beaucoup,pour toutes ces explications,apparement le ZOOM 5N possède plus de delays et d'éffets que le 3gnx
Merci pour les détails et explications
Amitiés
Miguel
Bonsoir Alan
Normalement,il y a plus de delays dans les titres Shadows,au plus 4 ou5 delays,si on rajoute,comp,reverb et autre,il n'y aura pas assez de place pour les delays,comme la pedale ne supporte que 7 effets, les mémoires ne suffisent pas à mon avis
Si tu pouvais mettre la chaine totale ,çà me parlerais plus,merci d'avance
Amitiés
Miguel
Hi Miguel - I think you may have completely the wrong concept on who, or what I am. i am not purporting to be an expert in using the ZOOM 3GN, neither am I a commercial organisation promoting it. (I note that advertisements are suddenly appearing when I open the video, which was as much a surprise to me as it may have been to you. I am NOT being paid by these advertisers, it probably means they've decided to use my video as a platform for their adverts, due to the number of people viewing it.) I am just an amateur guitarist, who - as I say in my video - having purchased the ZOOM, decided to attempt to create what I considered to be a "Shadows" type sound. Having done so to my own satisfaction, I then decided to upload the settings, in an attempt to help others. However, I appreciate that my settings are very subjective and obviously, you are looking for something far closer to the actual "Shadows sound." If this is so, the only advice I can give now, is for you to either play around further with my settings, either changing some, or all of the 4 settings in each patch - or changing the individual patches for others on the ZOOM. As I say in my video, I found the "Dreamworld" setting to be a good starting point for what I was looking for, but you may find an alternative that is a better starting point, that will enable you to achieve a much more accurate "Shadows sound," in which case, please get back in touch as I am quite open to finding alternative settings to give further improvement. I really hope you are able to find a satisfactory solution Miguel. Regards, Alan
@@Ayjay2785
Bonjour Alan
Je te remercies,car ce que tu a s fais,est vraiment génial,c'est très rapprochant,merci encore pour cette analyse,je vais partir en vacances fin du moi Aout,je commanderais c e pédalier à mon retour,tes explications,me serons nécessaire
Une question,la liste d'effets est elle la même que le G5N,je ne trouve,pas l'écho Soft Echo,dans la liste effets G3N X,et que veut dire Shad Picci?
Merci d'avance
Cordialement
Miguel
Bonsoir Alan
Je viens de commander,mon pédalier,le G5N,pour avoir plus de mémoire,pour les délays
Je voudrais s avoir,à quoi servent,les modules Comprèssion, Sweet drive,ZNRet Vibrato?
Je conserve vos photos précieusement,çà me rendra beaucoup de service,et merci d'avance
Cordialement
Miguel
@@GUARDIOLA551 you need to watch the video from 5 mins. 30 seconds to see how to scroll through and select the individual named settings - e.g., amplifier, tape echo, etc., etc.
@@Ayjay2785
C est la fonction de ces 3 modules,que je voudrais savoir,merci d avance
Miguel