Not to many people these days realise that the 79 series land cruiser isn’t built for Touring,comfort off-road capability. They are designed for farmers and the mining industry. I’ve driven dozens of 79series in all over the world in underground mines where they are trashed 24hours a day in low range for 99% of there life. We in the mining industry don’t need track correction huge power cup holders a fancy steering wheel (it’s only there to turn the front wheels) These land cruisers are the only vehicle that can and does last in the harsh underground environment (high salt content water mud and dirt) plus being driven in low range at 3-4000rpm it’s whole life, nothing else lasts. So to all these people that whinge about the 79 series maybe have a look into what they are actually built for. You head to the country you will see stock 79 series as farm utes now I’m pretty sure a farmer doesn’t care about cup holders when his got a sick sheep sitting on the passenger seat.
Yeah mate spot on I use mine as a spray truck as far as I’m concerned it’s cheaper than a tractor faster and more comfortable it gets me around the country side
@@unmentionable4383 I remember speaking to a Fitter. An I asked him what was going to happen when these vehicles no longer meet emmisions an ANCAP safety regulations. His response was 'well what are you going to replace it with?' there is nothing else out there.. won't happen. He was right.
I appreciate this so much - I wish more people would be super open about the issues of vehicles (especially from new and stock) and stop gate keeping info to people new to the 4WD community. Great video!
After just buying a 79, I knew what I was getting myself into with all these issues but that was the attraction. Most mods are bolt on which I can do myself if I choose. I have absolutely no regrets, so don't be put off by all the would be could be if your keen on buying one. Its like when you buy a V8 and people comment on fuel consumption, Who cares I am not buying one to save the planet.
Hey Adam, cheers for watching. I totally agree mate. I like them a lot mate, just not ALL of it that is all. We have another video coming out discussing the things i like about the the car. :)
@@MussaKZN Haha, I actually just got an update on my Toyota Tracker and its scheduled for production in January 22! Was originally planned for Sept 21 but got pushed back
@@michaelhermans4753 in saying that they don’t do anything, literally nothing any better than any of the other dual cabs on the market. They’re proof that you can put a v8 in any pile of junk and the bogans will continue to buy them.
Well said Reuben it takes some balls to go against the Australian riff raff that idolize these pig wagons. They also have weak clutches and actually give more problems than anyone would like to admit. The sound system is pathetic. The difflock engagement system is Unreliable and they are terribly overpriced. My 20 year old tractor is a far nicer place to spend a day than a 79.
When I got my hilux I sat in a 79 at the same time… I got an sr5 with a couple of mods for 64.. a stock 79 was 75.. it’s crazy to me how they can charge that amount of money for a car that is so primitive.. saying that I still love them lol
You forgot one of the big issues ...........where the alternator is positioned.Add to that that the 70 Series needs electrical input to even run the engine.
@@nicktulett4219 my Gu ute does U turns far better than a ford dual cab I had. The zd isn't bad in the utes but a bigger engine would definitely be nicer
Agree 100% with all of this mate. I did remap the engine and upgraded clutch,exhaust. 3" lift and bar work. Couldn't be happier now. Basic Ute for a basic bloke
It's the fact that they can post it on Instagram and get abit of clout in their sad lonely life that's plagued with car payments till the day they die 😂
I went from a 99 78 series to a 2021 dual cab 79. 2” Lift with 34s. The stereo is definitely absolute shit, the cabin noise isn’t bad at all, dunno why people say this but I don’t have a 3” exhaust either. The rear track is annoying especially when towing, sways you around on the road. Definitely underpowered Half tempted to sell it and go back to a real clean 75 series Ute
Cab noise was extra bad in the early releases I think both my bosses had 2013’s? And the back seat felt like an ironing board… hope they addresses that in the newer models
I bought a 76 series so the turning circle isn't as bad as the 79. I upgraded turbo to my own specs and +50 injectors 4inch exhaust straight through and ic water spray kit and tune with egr delete 850nm at 2200rpm is great Pvs steering wheel upgrade, xr6 turbo seats with hurricane fabrication adapters lower seat position to a good height along with there gear stick extension and cruiser console kit Cabin noise I done stage 4 car builders kit everywhere after I stripped the interior before I done the fitout of it all inc the drifta draw setup. Superior engineering 3inch hyperflex with there track correction fixed the handling issues. And my number 6 is the alternator so I changed it to the rapid power sealed 150amp unit. Iv done plenty more but thats the main 5 of your concerns I absolutely love my cruiser it goes anywhere it somewhat flexes now and tows great. Stock there definitely a dull farm truck once modified there awsome
6 speed for better fuel economy better tune, diff correction, leaf spring up the differential not under, cup holders, better hand brakes, bigger clutch from factory would be great, sound deadning
Dartmoor Dave Still mate ,if a rubber plug can come dislodged enabling material to enter the bellhousing on a extremely expensive purposely made off road vehicle ,it seems to be a failure in design.
@@raeanker3078 I know on LandRover its a proper threaded plug but I believe I heard in the chit-chat Rueben say the bung had come out. Meaning a push in bung. But, yes, not too clever.
Your right, I bought a 2019 79 two months ago, poor fuel economy and poor power, put it on the Dyno and when it was road tested by the shop the couch couldn’t handle it, heavy duty clutch being put in at moment.
your honesty is refreshing!!! maybe hilux needs to be improved to attract 79 series buyers so these things can finally end production, I have always struggled to see the value in these as new vehicle purchases, particularly with track correction issues, age of design, and no ANCAP rating or airbags etc.
Besides the wheel track issue, think you missed a few big ones. first off, Those bulky leaf springs getting hung up on everything offroad. where alternator is placed, its so low, going through mud you are almost guaranteed to have issues. and put put a sealed one in costs over 2 grand, thats if u don't install it yourself. airbox sealing issues. Also such a high price for a bare bones vehicle. love 70 series cruisers when there done up properly but they cost a ton of money to get the vehicle to that point where its bullet proof.
Reuben, bro if you're ever in WA, get in contact with us mate. It's Trippa (from Dan's old crew) from the oil field days in rig 18. Have a good one champion, stoked to see that you're a regular in 4wd247 vids as well 👍
Hey brah I disagree I bought a single cab 79 last a second hand vehicle and I totally love it! So true on all five points but it’s not boring to drive! I love that it’s noisy , cup holders meh not an issue for me Yes underpowered 💯 that for me is an issue but nothing I won’t cry over . I drive all these new hilux and rangers for work and they are boring as hell to drive there is no excitement or personality with the cars they come across as identical 😪 I have a work mate 2011 79 The v8 grumble 5 speed manual 😬 It’s hard for me to explain but I love this vehicle Yeah I have done some mods but that also is fun to do Maybe I’m to old u loved the old hq 308 v8 back In The days when I was growing. The 79 kinda feels like that to me Over priced hell yes 👍🏻 underperformed hell yes 👍🏻 Love your thoughts on the vehicle great to hear peeps thoughts on the negative issues I’m keen on your track correction mate that bugs me 🤟 Cheers John 😬
Maybe so but the majority of the people that I see driving them are cashed up bogans who spend $50,000-$100,000 doing em up to take some instagram photos and the only mud they see is the driveway to the site compound.
@@AP-ow5vu name another 4WD drive Ute that people don’t have to spend that amount of money doing it up? Doesn’t matter what brand it is we all get ripped off accessorising them.
@@christurner68 Not true. Y62's are an absolute weapon even just with a 2 inch lift and muddies. I noticed you said ute but I'm just talking the 70 series in general. You don't have to spend thousands on either an overslung rear leaf or rear coil conversion so you don't get hung up on the slightest things like you do in a 70 series before you even get started with the other mods to make them as capable as any other 4wd stock.
@@AP-ow5vu yes we are talking utes, now that you mention the Y62, don’t you now feel embarrassed about calling 70 series drivers/owners bogans ?! That is the a laughable bit of hypocrisy isn’t it! You are aware that Y62 owners are cutting the vehicle in hand to convert them to utes and put canopies on them? Tell me that is cheaper than buying a Ute?
@@christurner68 I think the chops usually cost somewhere around 20k with a tray don't they? I know someone who just got a y62 TI brand new for 93k so roughly 113k for a y62 ute we'll say... It's not hard at all to make a 79 series worth 113k when they're selling brand new in the 90-95k mark and how much more car do you get with a y62 there's no comparison. I wouldn't chop a y62 so would be better to compare it with a 76 series. You could just compare a stock sr5 hilux with a stock 79 series and see how much further the hilux goes in the bush for 20 grand less.
At least your honest Reuben and as a fellow Aussie I can really appreciate the honesty mate, so thank you for the video. There's a cult following for these 79's and Toyota people are like Apple user's there all part of the same cult I believe. There's a whole other movement on why people hate these 79s on a group on fb called "No need for a 79" once you start looking at some of the downfalls of them you can really see that there an overpriced, 1980's oversized roof tile.
I honestly dont understand why people still desperately want one when there is so many inherant issues from factory and really is complete lack luster in every department for its price tag it should not be worth anymore than a ranger or hilux when a hilux has more equipment and capability. It really should be a 200 Series with stronger more rugged components. If you had these features and issues in any other car domain i.e A hot hatch back (not a great analogy) but it would be written off as a decent car at all and over priced yet we have everyone else jump on this bandwagon for a 79 when it really is needing alot fixed. Your much better off buying a Y62 patrol. The hate list recap; 1.Turning circle and the track from factory should have a 20-1 Steering rack - 2. Definately should have the twin turbo V8 from the 200 series when your paying that much it should not be a slug - paying exuberant prices when a Y62 is 20-30 grand cheaper and will do everything better and has everything from factory right (or just buy a 200 series/300) 3. The interior is a joke we are in late 2000's a car not coming with cup holders, manual windows, no roof console, hopeless seats for lumbar and support with 5 way control and not having decent infotainment with options for apple car play/android auto we have phones with more tech than this car at $100k plus is a joke, a cheap car has better sound deadening to anyone that wants the car your the laughing stock of your mates but lucky you cant hear them with the cabin noise. 4. The Track is just a joke from factory that should not have been going on for the last decade toyota should have resolved this. If you want to spend another $5-10k to fix it... YOu can then add on that your still using leaf springs we have the technology and parts to be using triangulated coil sprung rear for better control support and enjoyment, they dont like laiden weight on the tray corectly the stock suspension really lacks it requires all new suspension, the torsion bars are a joke, the front end should 100% not be a leaf still a solid axle coil is needed we had all these things in the early 90's on some of the best 4wd 80 series and gu/gq yet we are willing to spend upwards for $20-30k to go ahead and make these changes. These cars really do not make sense when you put it all on paper... With the extra wasted money your better off buying a 80 series or gu/gq do a engine conversion build it out correctly and have all the creature comforts and still come in under the price of one of these 79 new
@@Neiiil Havent put any effort into not convince myself when the facts speak for themselves if everyone wants to go spend another $20-30k or if not alot more to make a car suitable for their needs and still pay an exuberant amount for 1980's tech for a slow pig of a car go ahead. The rest of the world has moved foward
'Hard to park in the city'??????? Ha ha, what are you doing there in a 79? I drive around cities in mine to avoid them. 'Underpowered?' Get a Dodge Ram. They are programmed to last which is why they hold their value. 'Not suitable for small drivers'. I don't know as I am 6'2" and every Landcruiser I have known fits me fine and that includes wearing a cowboy hat!!!! 'Sound deadener'? I love being able to hear the road and bush which is where I live. My 2019 is pretty quiet in my opinion but I don't live on bitumen roads or in a city (550 kms from nearest city) 'Track correction'. Does it keep you awake at night???? It has never bothered me, AND, it never will. I sell my 79's every 2 years and they go up in value. I just laugh when I think someone will pay money to correct track so they can sleep at night. Spend your money on tyres, you will have more fun. Just my opinion. But I use my 79 as a ute, not an overland city tourer.
All reasons I have never bought one, not to mention the stock gearing. It wouldn't be an issue if these were cheap fixes but you have to throw some serious coin at it to sort them out.
Very very true the 79/76 and BRZ /86 are very similar real crappers stock and u have to throw some much money at them to get them to a point u expect them to be at
Spot on mate Toyota should have 2 different models base and top of the line with all the gear. I’ve spent big $ on getting mine the way I want only thing that can’t be changed is that turning circle. Anyway happy touring to all.
Spot on Reuben. You pay so much for a vehicle and then have to spend a fortune on it to make it how it should be from factory. The dual cab Utes should be twin turbo generally they carry weight and tow as well so realistically they should have more then the wagon if not the same. Auto option as well as the manual but then the wagon should have a manual option as well as the auto. Why don’t they put the wagon interior into the Utes? The diff is ridiculous the engineer wants sacking. By the time you change everything Your better off financially with DMW dual cab chop. 💪🏽 A y62 patrol chop could even be a better option as well financially Keep up the great work love the videos and honesty
The only modification I did to my 79 was to trade it in. What an over priced tractor. Why people kid themselves they are the best 4wd is beyond belief.
Careful, The next ones will come with a canopy. Toyota create the cake mix in a box, they know there customers will bake and decorate that cake just how they like it.
My dad got the 2020 model and the arb chip, 3inch dpf back and the chip has 4 or 5 different modes and its all under warranty. They are making a new chip or something and it has lots of tourque
another pet hate is having to pay for a box and accessories to go into that box to mount onto the back of the ute that cost same price and more of the price of the rig itself?!
Turning circle- i drive one doing auctions in Sydney. Gxl no probs. Power- yes but an exhaust makes a nice difference. Seating - i love it as too the steering wheel. Sound deadening- in the dual cab 💯 single cab no issue . Track? Nope ive had no issues. They wander in the front but so what. Keep em stock. Ive had several 79s and got out of a 200 cause i prefer em…. (But i do like VB as a beer🤪)
Con... guys buy a 79 for the chick magnet effects, but it only attracts other guys to it. Pro... if ur in the closet the 79 will help you come out with all the guys that suddenly start sniffing round. 😂😂
When I visited my local Toyota dealer looking at a 76 series I asked about all you 5 hates. His come back was that they are mine vehicles designed for 30kph so what do you expect????
Ordered a 76 in august. Can't wait for it. Although can't bring myself to pay 100k+ for what they are at the moment. These toyota dealers selling them as "used" with 20kms on the clock to bump the price
The 5 same things annoy me with my 79. As i tow a 3 tonne caravan, i have the Safari Armax package added at $11,000 cost. Pleased with the performance ,but a year down the track, having my regrets, as fault lights on dash. Hope to get it sorted soon , otherwise the package will be removed.
I think your comparing a nice sporty car to a work ute that was made to work and tow heavy loads . 200 series is made for a family comfortable and smooth for grandma . If you want to go fast buy a Toyota chaser 1j powered .
I have a 76 series and i agree with all of those statements, but man do i still love that car, yeah i gotta make it better, but i can make it my own at least
looking at Isuzu 300nps 75 crew cab and looking at their problems before building great tourer as find out like your 79 series LandCruiser only do not the engine as build cost same here other places great video and as do show the same problem find other 4x4 transport on the market where big bank account to paid for a rebuild
Great video again Ruben! And nailed it. For me those 5 things you mentioned are true most basic things Toyota could do in the factory to make this vehicle almost perfect. And for them it wouldn’t be that hard. If they are keeping the model why not bite the bullet. Like you said for us average punters who can barely afford the price in its basic form. Just can’t make the $$’s stack up. Great to see people speaking the truth about these vehicles so others can decide for themselves if it’s going to suit there needs. 👏🏻👏🏻
Gday, your bloody spot on, for the price you pay all these item should not be a problem, a bloody Foton got multiple cup holders, just saying and I’ll say I’d never buy a Foton either, thanks for sharing your thoughts mate, cheers
The 79 wouldn't be made if it wasn't for the huge amount that mining buy. They are under powered and Ag as hell but nothing else can survive the environment that they go through in mining.
You forgot about no child restraint points and 2 speakers in the dash for a 4 door vehicle 🤦🏻♂️ but your rite, we still buy Em because they’re bulletproof
Even though there are a few things that you may need to fix on these I would still buy one for simplification sake and the fact that I can build it the way I want to and not have the manufacturer put all if the gear on that complicates modifications
That's a valid perspective! The simplicity and potential for customization with the 200 series cruisers can be quite appealing. It's all about finding the right balance between having the essentials covered from the manufacturer and having the freedom to tailor the vehicle to your specific needs and preferences.
👍. Things I hate about them. The price for what it is. the 2 different axle widths, u need to change the clutch, tyres need to be changed from the dealership, the suspension needs to replaced if u want to carry a load. Plus the things u mentioned. Toyota won’t change. Because they are selling them by the truck load so why would they want to fix it. They haven’t so far.
This is hilarious to watch having only just learned of you due to the Y62.. for a die-hard Toyota guy who now wheels a weapon Y62.. enough said V8 petrol 4 the win
I hate that you can't buy an auto version stock , manual is fine for those able to change gear , but , some of us have specific needs and a wagon will not do the job ! If I have to modify a vehicle heavily , I don't bother starting with the most expensive std option , I go with a cheaper option and make it the way I want for less $$$$$ .
Number 6 the bang for buck, there good vehicles but the price should be around the 45,000 brand new when what you get and have to spend on them to fixes the little issues, and if they were I would buy one straight up
I don’t understand why the different track with is such an issue. When wheeling a slightly narrower rear diff helps as when you go around rocks and such it gives a little more room for the rear too walk over. But Most of the time is not a big deal.
Have you ever driven one with the differernt rear track? I didn't think it'd be a problem either until I drove mine on sand........ The rear end was continually switching left/right in the front wheel tracks....
My pet hate is all most of the aussie canopy makers aren’t manufacturing a service body style canopy. Why do most them do a tray and canopy, extra materials, excess weight, they look ugly, who the hell is constantly taking the canopy off? Come canopy manufactures have choices……...
There are a few reasons the track is wider at the front than the rear, stability in tests: This means the vehicle doesn't roll as easy as the weight goes to the front outside wheel. Truning circle: Although it doesn't affect the actual distance, it does affect the rear wheel track, so it reduces the overall width of the inner to outer track of the wheels. There are a few more minor reasons too but all are down to testing and certs not real life use. Better buy a Landy Defender Ruben! They have had pretty much the same track for, well, ever! 😀
Oh, and you still get the other issues too! Noisy, no cup holders, interststing seating position, underpowered and the turning circle of a small country! 😞
Who would think a 4wd commercial vehicle would have a high seating position for visability, sparse interior for cost and no cup holders! But you are right about the track width it sucks ass.
It's strange that most professional users of 79 series V8 don't have any problem. But overloaded with a huge canopy on the dual cab model and you soon find the steering vague and light going up a steep rutted hill. The dual cab 79 is fine if you just put 100kg in the back. No one does that of course. The 79 dual cab is an inherently bad design for those who want to load them up.
I agree with the engine's tune. For an engine on the larger capacity, only produces moderate power. Clearly Toyota opted more on the side of conservatism. Reliability, durability and longevity were the priority over maximum power. That's what fleet and rural buyers want. But I believe, even if Toyota fitted bigger injectors, a bigger turbo (or two), and endowed it with a more extreme tune, the industry and many 4WD enthusiast would still want more and would still modify them. Only this tine, it will cost more to gain higher KWs. The funny thing is, most people I know when looking to buy 2nd hand Landcruisers (or other 4WDs), they look for an example with no engine modifications at all (other than maybe a snorkel, catch-can and 2nd fuel filter).
If you upgrade the 79 for more power and more boost, the turbo with crap itself. They use a very small single turbo that is too undersize for that size engine. I know this from 30 years building turbo's.
I don't think Toyota were thinking tourer when they built them. They were meant to be for mining and agriculture am pretty sure, that's why they are not pretty on the inside and the turning circle was not an issue.
Both can be pretty similar. It really depends on how far you go with the 79. If you add an auto, coils, diff etc. They can get right up there with the 200 dual cabs.
I love the Big 79 and the 76 but the amount of money that you'll be parting ways with to making it be more comfortable to drive is insane😮😮😮..... its like Toyota is giving you a bare-bones vehicle from factory and you have to accessorize and modify it to make it more livable with
Not to many people these days realise that the 79 series land cruiser isn’t built for Touring,comfort off-road capability. They are designed for farmers and the mining industry.
I’ve driven dozens of 79series in all over the world in underground mines where they are trashed 24hours a day in low range for 99% of there life.
We in the mining industry don’t need track correction huge power cup holders a fancy steering wheel (it’s only there to turn the front wheels)
These land cruisers are the only vehicle that can and does last in the harsh underground environment (high salt content water mud and dirt) plus being driven in low range at 3-4000rpm it’s whole life, nothing else lasts.
So to all these people that whinge about the 79 series maybe have a look into what they are actually built for.
You head to the country you will see stock 79 series as farm utes now I’m pretty sure a farmer doesn’t care about cup holders when his got a sick sheep sitting on the passenger seat.
Yeah mate spot on I use mine as a spray truck as far as I’m concerned it’s cheaper than a tractor faster and more comfortable it gets me around the country side
@@jamesinverarity4360 all these people think they are over priced shit heaps don’t actually know what they are designed for 🙄
@@unmentionable4383 I remember speaking to a Fitter. An I asked him what was going to happen when these vehicles no longer meet emmisions an ANCAP safety regulations.
His response was 'well what are you going to replace it with?' there is nothing else out there.. won't happen.
He was right.
@@quinnmarsden9375 you sound like a fellow underground fitter
@@yanmak2363 you don’t need ancap ratings when you don’t go over 30kmph 😂
I appreciate this so much - I wish more people would be super open about the issues of vehicles (especially from new and stock) and stop gate keeping info to people new to the 4WD community. Great video!
Only need to look at the list off standard mods people do to know there are plenty of issues
After just buying a 79, I knew what I was getting myself into with all these issues but that was the attraction. Most mods are bolt on which I can do myself if I choose. I have absolutely no regrets, so don't be put off by all the would be could be if your keen on buying one. Its like when you buy a V8 and people comment on fuel consumption, Who cares I am not buying one to save the planet.
Hey Adam, cheers for watching. I totally agree mate. I like them a lot mate, just not ALL of it that is all. We have another video coming out discussing the things i like about the the car. :)
Can you imagine how many companies wouldn’t exist if Toyota got all these things right from factory?
Saying that, I’ve got my 79 on order 🤪
Only 12 months to go!!
Sandy taupe I bet
Me too 🤣
@@MussaKZN Haha, I actually just got an update on my Toyota Tracker and its scheduled for production in January 22!
Was originally planned for Sept 21 but got pushed back
@@JoshBushwacker 100%
Got it spot on mate. All things that can be fixed but on a vehicle nudging $100k why the hell should you have to…
Because there really is no competition
@@michaelhermans4753 in saying that they don’t do anything, literally nothing any better than any of the other dual cabs on the market. They’re proof that you can put a v8 in any pile of junk and the bogans will continue to buy them.
@@shanenorwell8580 the love affair Australians have with Toyota 4wd continues where all logic goes out the window
Well said Reuben it takes some balls to go against the Australian riff raff that idolize these pig wagons. They also have weak clutches and actually give more problems than anyone would like to admit. The sound system is pathetic. The difflock engagement system is Unreliable and they are terribly overpriced. My 20 year old tractor is a far nicer place to spend a day than a 79.
Yeah easy fix buy a patrol
When I got my hilux I sat in a 79 at the same time… I got an sr5 with a couple of mods for 64.. a stock 79 was 75.. it’s crazy to me how they can charge that amount of money for a car that is so primitive.. saying that I still love them lol
You forgot one of the big issues ...........where the alternator is positioned.Add to that that the 70 Series needs electrical input to even run the engine.
Same issue with prado alternators...I had to replace mine after the telly track at Cape York followed by the starter motor at cairns 😕
I fixed the 79 by buying a GU patrol 😂. No but seriously the landcruiser is an alright car, I just think the GU offers better VAULE.
Yep, cheaper to replace the zd30 if need be than fix a 79 and the gu will have a much better turning circle
@@nicktulett4219 my Gu ute does U turns far better than a ford dual cab I had. The zd isn't bad in the utes but a bigger engine would definitely be nicer
Agree 100% with all of this mate. I did remap the engine and upgraded clutch,exhaust. 3" lift and bar work. Couldn't be happier now. Basic Ute for a basic bloke
Very true Matt. :)
No matter how many i hate my land cruiser videos i see i want one more everytime 😂
I think this list of hates could be 10 times longer… why people buy these things is beyond me!
it's got a character but probably you will never understand it, which is fair enough, we are all different
@@radod6147 we have one from 1985 and not much has changed in 35 years… not even the mirrors, like really…
It's the fact that they can post it on Instagram and get abit of clout in their sad lonely life that's plagued with car payments till the day they die 😂
How i updated the power issue was buy a 40 series with a 2H.
I went from a 99 78 series to a 2021 dual cab 79. 2” Lift with 34s.
The stereo is definitely absolute shit,
the cabin noise isn’t bad at all, dunno why people say this but I don’t have a 3” exhaust either.
The rear track is annoying especially when towing, sways you around on the road.
Definitely underpowered
Half tempted to sell it and go back to a real clean 75 series Ute
Cab noise was extra bad in the early releases I think both my bosses had 2013’s? And the back seat felt like an ironing board… hope they addresses that in the newer models
I bought a 76 series so the turning circle isn't as bad as the 79.
I upgraded turbo to my own specs and +50 injectors 4inch exhaust straight through and ic water spray kit and tune with egr delete 850nm at 2200rpm is great
Pvs steering wheel upgrade, xr6 turbo seats with hurricane fabrication adapters lower seat position to a good height along with there gear stick extension and cruiser console kit
Cabin noise I done stage 4 car builders kit everywhere after I stripped the interior before I done the fitout of it all inc the drifta draw setup.
Superior engineering 3inch hyperflex with there track correction fixed the handling issues.
And my number 6 is the alternator so I changed it to the rapid power sealed 150amp unit.
Iv done plenty more but thats the main 5 of your concerns
I absolutely love my cruiser it goes anywhere it somewhat flexes now and tows great. Stock there definitely a dull farm truck once modified there awsome
6 speed for better fuel economy better tune, diff correction, leaf spring up the differential not under, cup holders, better hand brakes, bigger clutch from factory would be great, sound deadning
And the low slung alternator and starter motor being a major operation to change. Yes, lots of issues but you have to have one.............
6gears is a must.
Can’t believe after Tassie you forgot the crap standard clutch 🤣🤣🤣
I think the clutch issue was the bellhousing wading plug was missing allowing all the goop into the clutch.
Dartmoor Dave Still mate ,if a rubber plug can come dislodged enabling material to enter the bellhousing on a extremely expensive purposely made off road vehicle ,it seems to be a failure in design.
@@raeanker3078 I know on LandRover its a proper threaded plug but I believe I heard in the chit-chat Rueben say the bung had come out. Meaning a push in bung. But, yes, not too clever.
Thanks for the video on the 79. Only a dream that Toyota takes notice and actions the feedback.
well covered Reuben, these 79's are an awesome weapon when you spend an awesome amount of money on them
Cheers Rolly!
My number 1 hate for them is the rear axle being way too close to the cab.
If they made them with more power they would have to get a decent clutch in it. The standard one must be a leftover from a Corolla it’s that weak
Your right, I bought a 2019 79 two months ago, poor fuel economy and poor power, put it on the Dyno and when it was road tested by the shop the couch couldn’t handle it, heavy duty clutch being put in at moment.
The only real problem he brought up in this video is the mismatched track width of the front and rear wheels.
They're a tractor that you can run down the shops in to grab some milk. Once you comes to terms with that you won't complain.
They are great cars! Their simplicity is their attraction.
your honesty is refreshing!!! maybe hilux needs to be improved to attract 79 series buyers so these things can finally end production, I have always struggled to see the value in these as new vehicle purchases, particularly with track correction issues, age of design, and no ANCAP rating or airbags etc.
We'd love to see an all new 79 series though. :)
Besides the wheel track issue, think you missed a few big ones. first off, Those bulky leaf springs getting hung up on everything offroad. where alternator is placed, its so low, going through mud you are almost guaranteed to have issues. and put put a sealed one in costs over 2 grand, thats if u don't install it yourself. airbox sealing issues. Also such a high price for a bare bones vehicle. love 70 series cruisers when there done up properly but they cost a ton of money to get the vehicle to that point where its bullet proof.
Reuben, bro if you're ever in WA, get in contact with us mate. It's Trippa (from Dan's old crew) from the oil field days in rig 18.
Have a good one champion, stoked to see that you're a regular in 4wd247 vids as well 👍
Cheers mate. Will do!
Hey brah I disagree I bought a single cab 79 last a second hand vehicle and I totally love it!
So true on all five points but it’s not boring to drive! I love that it’s noisy , cup holders meh not an issue for me
Yes underpowered 💯 that for me is an issue but nothing I won’t cry over .
I drive all these new hilux and rangers for work and they are boring as hell to drive there is no excitement or personality with the cars they come across as identical 😪
I have a work mate 2011 79 The v8 grumble 5 speed manual 😬
It’s hard for me to explain but I love this vehicle
Yeah I have done some mods but that also is fun to do
Maybe I’m to old u loved the old hq 308 v8 back In The days when I was growing. The 79 kinda feels like that to me
Over priced hell yes 👍🏻 underperformed hell yes 👍🏻
Love your thoughts on the vehicle great to hear peeps thoughts on the negative issues
I’m keen on your track correction mate that bugs me 🤟
Cheers John 😬
hmmmmmm, maybe these 70 series were built for the mines and farms with the bare minimums and reliability?
Maybe so but the majority of the people that I see driving them are cashed up bogans who spend $50,000-$100,000 doing em up to take some instagram photos and the only mud they see is the driveway to the site compound.
@@AP-ow5vu name another 4WD drive Ute that people don’t have to spend that amount of money doing it up? Doesn’t matter what brand it is we all get ripped off accessorising them.
@@christurner68 Not true. Y62's are an absolute weapon even just with a 2 inch lift and muddies. I noticed you said ute but I'm just talking the 70 series in general.
You don't have to spend thousands on either an overslung rear leaf or rear coil conversion so you don't get hung up on the slightest things like you do in a 70 series before you even get started with the other mods to make them as capable as any other 4wd stock.
@@AP-ow5vu yes we are talking utes, now that you mention the Y62, don’t you now feel embarrassed about calling 70 series drivers/owners bogans ?! That is the a laughable bit of hypocrisy isn’t it! You are aware that Y62 owners are cutting the vehicle in hand to convert them to utes and put canopies on them? Tell me that is cheaper than buying a Ute?
@@christurner68 I think the chops usually cost somewhere around 20k with a tray don't they? I know someone who just got a y62 TI brand new for 93k so roughly 113k for a y62 ute we'll say...
It's not hard at all to make a 79 series worth 113k when they're selling brand new in the 90-95k mark and how much more car do you get with a y62 there's no comparison.
I wouldn't chop a y62 so would be better to compare it with a 76 series.
You could just compare a stock sr5 hilux with a stock 79 series and see how much further the hilux goes in the bush for 20 grand less.
At least your honest Reuben and as a fellow Aussie I can really appreciate the honesty mate, so thank you for the video.
There's a cult following for these 79's and Toyota people are like Apple user's there all part of the same cult I believe.
There's a whole other movement on why people hate these 79s on a group on fb called "No need for a 79" once you start looking at some of the downfalls of them you can really see that there an overpriced, 1980's oversized roof tile.
I honestly dont understand why people still desperately want one when there is so many inherant issues from factory and really is complete lack luster in every department for its price tag it should not be worth anymore than a ranger or hilux when a hilux has more equipment and capability. It really should be a 200 Series with stronger more rugged components. If you had these features and issues in any other car domain i.e A hot hatch back (not a great analogy) but it would be written off as a decent car at all and over priced yet we have everyone else jump on this bandwagon for a 79 when it really is needing alot fixed. Your much better off buying a Y62 patrol.
The hate list recap;
1.Turning circle and the track from factory should have a 20-1 Steering rack -
2. Definately should have the twin turbo V8 from the 200 series when your paying that much it should not be a slug - paying exuberant prices when a Y62 is 20-30 grand cheaper and will do everything better and has everything from factory right (or just buy a 200 series/300)
3. The interior is a joke we are in late 2000's a car not coming with cup holders, manual windows, no roof console, hopeless seats for lumbar and support with 5 way control and not having decent infotainment with options for apple car play/android auto we have phones with more tech than this car at $100k plus is a joke, a cheap car has better sound deadening to anyone that wants the car your the laughing stock of your mates but lucky you cant hear them with the cabin noise.
4. The Track is just a joke from factory that should not have been going on for the last decade toyota should have resolved this. If you want to spend another $5-10k to fix it...
YOu can then add on that your still using leaf springs we have the technology and parts to be using triangulated coil sprung rear for better control support and enjoyment, they dont like laiden weight on the tray corectly the stock suspension really lacks it requires all new suspension, the torsion bars are a joke, the front end should 100% not be a leaf still a solid axle coil is needed we had all these things in the early 90's on some of the best 4wd 80 series and gu/gq yet we are willing to spend upwards for $20-30k to go ahead and make these changes. These cars really do not make sense when you put it all on paper... With the extra wasted money your better off buying a 80 series or gu/gq do a engine conversion build it out correctly and have all the creature comforts and still come in under the price of one of these 79 new
People spend the money because to reliable, pull bulk power and the looks pretty darn cool
Didnt read all that but they’re tough, iconic, reliable and can be built into capable rigs
You’ve put a lot of effort into trying to convince yourself you don’t want one when we all know you really do 😂🤣😂
@@Neiiil Havent put any effort into not convince myself when the facts speak for themselves if everyone wants to go spend another $20-30k or if not alot more to make a car suitable for their needs and still pay an exuberant amount for 1980's tech for a slow pig of a car go ahead. The rest of the world has moved foward
@@noahwieland60 They are capable stock standard
I love this channel. I just subscribed. I love your intelligent balanced view.
Awesome, thank you!
I’m about to take delivery of a ‘23 79 series, do I need to get the wheel track corrected?
Would be best to discuss it with our team, feel free to call DMW, John. :) Thanks!
'Hard to park in the city'??????? Ha ha, what are you doing there in a 79? I drive around cities in mine to avoid them.
'Underpowered?' Get a Dodge Ram. They are programmed to last which is why they hold their value.
'Not suitable for small drivers'. I don't know as I am 6'2" and every Landcruiser I have known fits me fine and that includes wearing a cowboy hat!!!!
'Sound deadener'? I love being able to hear the road and bush which is where I live. My 2019 is pretty quiet in my opinion but I don't live on bitumen roads or in a city (550 kms from nearest city)
'Track correction'. Does it keep you awake at night???? It has never bothered me, AND, it never will. I sell my 79's every 2 years and they go up in value. I just laugh when I think someone will pay money to correct track so they can sleep at night. Spend your money on tyres, you will have more fun.
Just my opinion. But I use my 79 as a ute, not an overland city tourer.
Best thing for a 79 is a new owner, fixes all the problems at once...drive like an oversize lawnmower!!
All reasons I have never bought one, not to mention the stock gearing. It wouldn't be an issue if these were cheap fixes but you have to throw some serious coin at it to sort them out.
leaf under axel! if you dont mind no power, get an ln106
Very very true the 79/76 and BRZ /86 are very similar real crappers stock and u have to throw some much money at them to get them to a point u expect them to be at
Spot on mate Toyota should have 2 different models base and top of the line with all the gear. I’ve spent big $ on getting mine the way I want only thing that can’t be changed is that turning circle. Anyway happy touring to all.
Try finding information on tuning diesels. I want commercial tuning information
Spot on Reuben.
You pay so much for a vehicle and then have to spend a fortune on it to make it how it should be from factory.
The dual cab Utes should be twin turbo generally they carry weight and tow as well so realistically they should have more then the wagon if not the same. Auto option as well as the manual but then the wagon should have a manual option as well as the auto. Why don’t they put the wagon interior into the Utes?
The diff is ridiculous the engineer wants sacking.
By the time you change everything
Your better off financially with DMW dual cab chop. 💪🏽
A y62 patrol chop could even be a better option as well financially
Keep up the great work love the videos and honesty
@@einfelder8262 that is so true
And I guess it’s why we are starting see more rams on the road now as well
The only modification I did to my 79 was to trade it in. What an over priced tractor. Why people kid themselves they are the best 4wd is beyond belief.
Yep. you can get by with far better vehicles
Yep
Ya not wrong absolute overpriced shitboxes then they bring out the 300 series line up fools.
Careful, The next ones will come with a canopy. Toyota create the cake mix in a box, they know there customers will bake and decorate that cake just how they like it.
Solution to all those fixes, buy a GU Patrol! And the money you save from not buying an overpriced 79 is a lot of touring mods.
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My dad got the 2020 model and the arb chip, 3inch dpf back and the chip has 4 or 5 different modes and its all under warranty. They are making a new chip or something and it has lots of tourque
I agree. Also 2 things that bugs me alot. The 70 series should have a 6 gear for better fuel economy. And a stronger clutch please!
Both would be nice for sure
Hell yer
another pet hate is having to pay for a box and accessories to go into that box to mount onto the back of the ute that cost same price and more of the price of the rig itself?!
Gturbo red wheel, gturbo power pipe, upgraded intercooler and 3inch exhaust. Goes well now
Turning circle- i drive one doing auctions in Sydney. Gxl no probs. Power- yes but an exhaust makes a nice difference. Seating - i love it as too the steering wheel. Sound deadening- in the dual cab 💯 single cab no issue . Track? Nope ive had no issues. They wander in the front but so what. Keep em stock. Ive had several 79s and got out of a 200 cause i prefer em…. (But i do like VB as a beer🤪)
haha. Not everything is bad that is for sure. We still love them here... but not sure about the VB.. LOL
@@dirtymuddyweekends true! Nearly did a dual cab convert on a 200 but chose the 79. Merry Christmas to you and your team
Con... guys buy a 79 for the chick magnet effects, but it only attracts other guys to it.
Pro... if ur in the closet the 79 will help you come out with all the guys that suddenly start sniffing round. 😂😂
When I visited my local Toyota dealer looking at a 76 series I asked about all you 5 hates. His come back was that they are mine vehicles designed for 30kph so what do you expect????
always said there the most overrated 4wd on the market,u forgot the spring hangers that get hung up on where a mini car could almost get over lol
Yeh refer to the tassie vid
You forgot to add overpriced and overrated
Absolutely spot on mate 👌
Ordered a 76 in august. Can't wait for it. Although can't bring myself to pay 100k+ for what they are at the moment. These toyota dealers selling them as "used" with 20kms on the clock to bump the price
The 5 same things annoy me with my 79. As i tow a 3 tonne caravan, i have the Safari Armax package added at $11,000 cost. Pleased with the performance ,but a year down the track, having my regrets, as fault lights on dash. Hope to get it sorted soon , otherwise the package will be removed.
I think your comparing a nice sporty car to a work ute that was made to work and tow heavy loads .
200 series is made for a family comfortable and smooth for grandma .
If you want to go fast buy a Toyota chaser 1j powered .
Tow heavy loads with a clutch comparable to butter
@@cryptoskid117 yea man the butter makes the loads just slide along Hahaha .
Clutch is a relatively easy fix tho .
with the turning circle could you put a angle kit on it kinda like wht they do with drift cars ?
I have a 76 series and i agree with all of those statements, but man do i still love that car, yeah i gotta make it better, but i can make it my own at least
We love them too! Just not everything about them. :)
I guessing that for the lack of cup holders is because Toyota doesn’t want you to drink n’ drive
Good to see you still haven’t sorted out that passenger side sill mate 😂
Not mentioning the leaf pack under the axle messing up clearance makes you a soccer mom🙂
All spot on Ruben.
Just got a 79 and couldn't agree more
looking at Isuzu 300nps 75 crew cab and looking at their problems before building great tourer as find out like your 79 series LandCruiser only do not the engine as build cost same here other places
great video and as do show the same problem find other 4x4 transport on the market where big bank account to paid for a rebuild
Do the new ones have cruise control yet? I would throw that in if they don't.
yeah they do
I hate nothing about the 79, I didnt own 4 thinking they would be something they are not. Reliability number 1
Great video again Ruben! And nailed it. For me those 5 things you mentioned are true most basic things Toyota could do in the factory to make this vehicle almost perfect. And for them it wouldn’t be that hard. If they are keeping the model why not bite the bullet. Like you said for us average punters who can barely afford the price in its basic form. Just can’t make the $$’s stack up.
Great to see people speaking the truth about these vehicles so others can decide for themselves if it’s going to suit there needs. 👏🏻👏🏻
As long as ppl buy these pigs, yota wont change a thing...
Gday, your bloody spot on, for the price you pay all these item should not be a problem, a bloody Foton got multiple cup holders, just saying and I’ll say I’d never buy a Foton either, thanks for sharing your thoughts mate, cheers
The 79 wouldn't be made if it wasn't for the huge amount that mining buy. They are under powered and Ag as hell but nothing else can survive the environment that they go through in mining.
You forgot about no child restraint points and 2 speakers in the dash for a 4 door vehicle 🤦🏻♂️ but your rite, we still buy Em because they’re bulletproof
How much have you spent on your current setup? Roughly?
Even though there are a few things that you may need to fix on these I would still buy one for simplification sake and the fact that I can build it the way I want to and not have the manufacturer put all if the gear on that complicates modifications
That's a valid perspective! The simplicity and potential for customization with the 200 series cruisers can be quite appealing. It's all about finding the right balance between having the essentials covered from the manufacturer and having the freedom to tailor the vehicle to your specific needs and preferences.
👍. Things I hate about them. The price for what it is. the 2 different axle widths, u need to change the clutch, tyres need to be changed from the dealership, the suspension needs to replaced if u want to carry a load. Plus the things u mentioned.
Toyota won’t change. Because they are selling them by the truck load so why would they want to fix it. They haven’t so far.
The list of pet hates would eliminate this from any other car list 😂
This is hilarious to watch having only just learned of you due to the Y62.. for a die-hard Toyota guy who now wheels a weapon Y62.. enough said V8 petrol 4 the win
I hate that you can't buy an auto version stock , manual is fine for those able to change gear , but , some of us have specific needs and a wagon will not do the job ! If I have to modify a vehicle heavily , I don't bother starting with the most expensive std option , I go with a cheaper option and make it the way I want for less $$$$$ .
Number 6 the bang for buck, there good vehicles but the price should be around the 45,000 brand new when what you get and have to spend on them to fixes the little issues, and if they were I would buy one straight up
My top 3 gripes:
* No full time 4wd transfer case
* Rear axel width/ track
* Rear Passenger air-bags for the kids
Get a 200 or 300
I've got plenty of gripes with them but why would you want full time 4wd? Unnecessary wear on your front end and they usually drink more fuel.
I don’t understand why the different track with is such an issue. When wheeling a slightly narrower rear diff helps as when you go around rocks and such it gives a little more room for the rear too walk over. But Most of the time is not a big deal.
Have you ever driven one with the differernt rear track? I didn't think it'd be a problem either until I drove mine on sand........ The rear end was continually switching left/right in the front wheel tracks....
Toyota probably thinks the design flaws can be overlooked because most 79 series end up in the Middle East with antiaircraft guns bolted to the back.
My pet hate is all most of the aussie canopy makers aren’t manufacturing a service body style canopy. Why do most them do a tray and canopy, extra materials, excess weight, they look ugly, who the hell is constantly taking the canopy off? Come canopy manufactures have choices……...
Awesome video 👍
Thanks, mate! 🙏
It was the lack of seating space that ruined it for me. I had to go to a 200 series which is not my first choice.
There are a few reasons the track is wider at the front than the rear, stability in tests: This means the vehicle doesn't roll as easy as the weight goes to the front outside wheel. Truning circle: Although it doesn't affect the actual distance, it does affect the rear wheel track, so it reduces the overall width of the inner to outer track of the wheels. There are a few more minor reasons too but all are down to testing and certs not real life use. Better buy a Landy Defender Ruben! They have had pretty much the same track for, well, ever! 😀
Oh, and you still get the other issues too! Noisy, no cup holders, interststing seating position, underpowered and the turning circle of a small country! 😞
Who would think a 4wd commercial vehicle would have a high seating position for visability, sparse interior for cost and no cup holders! But you are right about the track width it sucks ass.
It's strange that most professional users of 79 series V8 don't have any problem. But overloaded with a huge canopy on the dual cab model and you soon find the steering vague and light going up a steep rutted hill. The dual cab 79 is fine if you just put 100kg in the back. No one does that of course. The 79 dual cab is an inherently bad design for those who want to load them up.
Do you still have to manually wind up the windows?
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I can park in the city easy with my fuel cab ?
They are built tough made for work, not comfort, in saying that, their should be a comfort option for the city people
Agree. Finding the right balance between toughness and comfort could attract a wider range of customers.👍
I agree with the engine's tune. For an engine on the larger capacity, only produces moderate power. Clearly Toyota opted more on the side of conservatism. Reliability, durability and longevity were the priority over maximum power. That's what fleet and rural buyers want. But I believe, even if Toyota fitted bigger injectors, a bigger turbo (or two), and endowed it with a more extreme tune, the industry and many 4WD enthusiast would still want more and would still modify them. Only this tine, it will cost more to gain higher KWs. The funny thing is, most people I know when looking to buy 2nd hand Landcruisers (or other 4WDs), they look for an example with no engine modifications at all (other than maybe a snorkel, catch-can and 2nd fuel filter).
🤘❤🤘🔥🤘🔥🤘 Love ya work Reuben ya legend 🤘🔥🤘
I fixed all those issues except the underpowered 1. I brought a patrol instead
Luv the honesty.
If you upgrade the 79 for more power and more boost, the turbo with crap itself. They use a very small single turbo that is too undersize for that size engine.
I know this from 30 years building turbo's.
I don't think Toyota were thinking tourer when they built them. They were meant to be for mining and agriculture am pretty sure, that's why they are not pretty on the inside and the turning circle was not an issue.
how much overall would it cost to correct all these hates?
Don't adjust your steering lock stops for more steering lock, you'll bust CV's and the cruiser birfields are already weak.
How I would fix the 5 problems cut a 200 o I did.
Which is more expensive to build as a good tourer betwn a 79series or a chopped 200series ?
Both can be pretty similar. It really depends on how far you go with the 79. If you add an auto, coils, diff etc. They can get right up there with the 200 dual cabs.
@@dirtymuddyweekends OK ,bt can you ship to Africa?
Can’t agree more with no1 the turning circle is horrible.(daily issue)
My no2 is the lap seatbelt in the rear centre or lack of a headrest
I love the Big 79 and the 76 but the amount of money that you'll be parting ways with to making it be more comfortable to drive is insane😮😮😮..... its like Toyota is giving you a bare-bones vehicle from factory and you have to accessorize and modify it to make it more livable with