I return with such a small teeny tiny video. The good news is I've reorganized my life to have more time to make UA-cam videos. Thanks for all the patience and sweet words, this video was universally blocked for awhile, but I won the disputes. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Great video, first time watching the channel and I think you have some pretty good insights but I wanted to mention that I think you missed that Chacha has feelings for Hazel, thoughts?
I wasn't sure if that's what they were going for or if I was just assuming Chacha liked him romantically because she's a woman and there is an element of jealousy involved. So I decided to not comment on it.
Just like in general? I like it, and I like crying when the characters die. I'm not even sure how I would approach talking about the MCU on my channel, I wanna do Harry Potter stuff first.
Reporter: "Would you say you're an independent person?" Luther: Daddy, am I an independent person? Reginald: Yes, you conformist twit. Luther: Yes.
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@@samuelbarber6177 next time you tape something on to someones joke try actually adding something instead of saying the same thing again with different words :\
The scene where Vanya slashes Allison’s throat reminds me of when you’re a kid and your sibling says something to you or takes your toy, your ability to communicate your anger goes out the window so you push them. To me, that feels purposefully telling of Vanya’s isolated upbringing
Arwen Carbery Once when I was in elementary school a girl was being mean to me and it just got to be too much, so I kicked her, but immediately after I was crying and apologizing because I realized how bad it was that I did that. Felt just like that scene, but with less blood, obviously
One time my sister and I were fighting over my toy bunny. I don't remember why exactly but I REALLY wanted her (the bunny) back and pulled as hard as I could while my sister did not let go and in the end, it tore an ear off. I ended up crying and running to mom to fix it. I think it's like that too. Your emotions get the better of you and you become so desperate you just physically react to what you want/ need at that time. And either someone or something gets hurt in the process. What I'm saying is I also totally get what you're talking about, and Allison needed to back off when Vanya got too overly stimulated/ angry
My gf hated the character but I was like wouldnt you do that if that same person was integral In you feeling small and assisting your father in making you feel so
“His power functions more like a mental illness”. That describes klaus very well, and his arc. I was looking for essentially those words for- like forever- but that just completely nails it.
Klaus' power is essentially schizophrenia if the hallucinations were real. It's absolutely terrifying and he can't conciously control it, at least not in the beginning, of course he's doing his best to block it out.
if timelines function as nodes where events happen or not, it could make sense. I mean, the Comission works this way, making events happen as their prefered timeline
Holy shit, do you know what I never considered? Klaus was still very much seeing the dead while serving in Vietnam. Could you imagine what he saw? The compounded trauma of war while trying to ignore the lost, agonized spirits of its victims? Did he sober up for the man he fell in love for? Did he in those ten months tell him he saw the dead, did he make real progress only to watch him get senselessly killed and totally relapse? I wish the show had touched on that.
i'm pretty sure season 2 is in the past around the 60's era like kennedy's assination. Since vietnam was the same era, i am hoping they'll touch more on the relationships or just what Klaus did in the 10 months in vietnam. Hope he meets Dave but young Dave and they start dating :)
@@gwinnellheald8592 i mean it is understandable and how he approached dave was off like your a famous cult leader approaching a guy who clearly does not know his gender/sexuality yet and convince him you were lovers in the future in front of his clearly "straight" uncle.
I loved that you mentioned Vanya's use of makeup. It's something my mom pointed out to me when I was watching another show with her. I said something like "look they didn't blend her foundation" and my mom went "it's because she doesn't seem like the kind of character who knows how to blend foundation."
@Sylvie Wėęēñńg well did she put her makeup on right in the umbrella academy? It just seems to me like Vanya didn't have anyone to teach her how to put on make up. But gay men and drago queens figure it and something tells me they don't learn it from their mothers
I actually think Vietnam might be the reason Klaus doesn't realize there's actual gunshots in the theater. He has pretty big PTSD coupled with actually being sober enough to manifest Ben, so there's a huge chance he thinks the gunshots are just part of the PTSD or some sort of ghost manifestation, which is why until Luther tells him to get down he realizes "oh shit, this is actual gunfire" Why the guys in the theater didn't shoot him instantly, yeah that is plot armor straight up
@@Lasanga95That’s what I was thinking. So desensitized to it he doesn’t notice it anymore. I was in a shooting and every time I hear what sounds like a gun shot I assume it’s probably just my trauma making me think it’s gunshots and that it’s nothing when I don’t actually know if it is or not since I live in a bad neighborhood 🤷🏻♀️
I've never watched Umbrella Academy, but my little sister did, and when I asked her what she was watching, she described it as "Daddy Issues: The TV Series".
I wanted to see more of Five and Vanya together because it seemed as though they were very close as children, with Vanya leaving sandwiches for him even after he disappeared and him shouting out her name as one of the first when he found the ruined house
I want to see those two together too!!! I also noticed how close they seemed throughout the show. There was also the scene where he stayed at her house
I second this! I wish that they had shown Five and Vanya interacting more, but they don't really share scenes outside of the first two episodes. This may have been because having Five around may have thwarted Leonard's plans, and his goal was to isolate Vanya further from her family, while manipulating her all the while. Plus, Five was already preoccupied with stopping the apocalypse.
Also when five goes to jump through time in those scenes it often cuts to Vanya looking down and almost saying something then letting it go and looking down. That alone adds so much.
I really liked how you adressed that there's no "right way" to respond to abuse. I recently learned that in addition to PTSD there's also post-traumatic growth disorder where some people focus so much on bettering themselves because they don't want to go through another bad thing ever again. Also, your take on Vanya gets so close to something I personally deal with: lack of a growth mindset. I was told I was the smart kid my whole life, built my self-esteem on it, and avoided personal responsibility for a long time. Now I'm washed up and have no drive because that was the root cause of my self-worth and I feel like a failure. I think I can get better but it's hard af
Hey, that’s me! A smart kid being praised for that all her life and having an identity crisis when she gets to a uni where everybody’s smart AND SMARTER. Soo if you ever wanna talk about it, drop me a line maybe? 👀
@@alivia9735 and if you know of "friendship is witchcraft" the song in the background fits to a t (except the stalkery posesive obsesive side of the song)
What I loved was the special relationship between Vanya and #5. He goes to her first when he needs a sounding board. Vanya would leave peanut butter and marshmallow sandwiches out at night in case he came home. The very first thing he does on returning, is make himself a peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich.
Ditto, I liked the understated relationship between Five and Vanya, despite them not interacting much after the first episode. When Five is fighting with Reginald about time travelling, Vanya is the only one to attempt to dissuade him from trying, subtle shaking her head. She also wrote some nice excerpts about him in her autobiography, and Five compliments her on it following his return. Lastly, when Vanya breaks out of the vault Luther imprisoned her in and embraces her White Violin persona, she has flashbacks to all the times her siblings mistreated her. Five notably isn't present during this sequence.
@@trinaq I noticed that in the flashbacks too. It's another change from the comics, as in that Five said he never liked Vanya. I'm happy they changed it ':D
I like the idea that Five has always been a kind of old man and just decided he was cool with being no 5. Like as a toddler he's like "no thanks Grace. I'll stick with the number."
@@allisoncarter7421 seeing as Allison’s powers relies on her voice and she is unable to talk for a year her powers are taken away and Allison wasn’t at fault when she originally took Vanyas powers away since she was like 4
To me it always felt like we were supposed to find it weird. It's a trauma thing. Growing up they didn't have access to the outside world or anyone outside the "family" and so they only had each other when they started getting those feelings. So naturally they came to focus them on each other. But it was said in S2 that they never even kissed. Idk, I just always got the feeling it was written that way for a reason, because they didn't have the experience and knowledge to know any different when they were younger, and when they were adults Allison had clearly come to kind of realise it was messed up because she'd lived in the real world (to a degree, can you really call it the real world when she used her power to get basically everything?) but Luther still felt that attachment to her because he'd still been isolated having never left home until he was sent to the moon. I think it was actually pretty well done...
@@Dazzlefae yes I mean weird as it is the point of it I think is to understand the isolation I think the family felt. Growing up we know they never were really allowed actually connect with anyone outside of the academy, hence the many ways most of the characters are stunted emotionally with relationships both known in friendships and romantically. In the case of Allison and Luther I don’t think it was just a sense of romance but the idea of connection, being seen and heard. The understand they had with each other having powers and that connection of trauma from training/missions/their father- yes it showed itself in puppy love. Yet to me it feels just as how Viktor sees Leonard as a point of validation, Allison and Luther were that for each other. It wasn’t until Allison was able to break out and work on building other connections she stopped needing it from Luther.
I like to think the reason Klaus didn’t immediately react to the gunfire and had to be told by Ben is because he thought he was hearing the guns in his head, because it’s a possibly common occurrence for him to think he’s hearing said gunfire. Or maybe being in the war numbed him to the sound.
Kia Not The Car - I like the “he doesn’t know if it was in his head” idea, though it’d have to be a lot better set up. And war DOES NOT numb people to gunshots. Quite the opposite. Veterans are the most prone to anxiety attacks from a car backfire of any demographic.
@@samwallaceart288 In a way, I agree. But how long had Klaus been back from War at this point? A couple days? And he still never really left the War Zone in a way. He got used to it in Vietnam, but he never got the chance to get used to being out of a War Zone really, so his reaction would make sense really, because in his mind me never left that War Zone. But it probably was more that he thought it was in his head because of PTSD and all that...
@@theshamanite He was definitely sober, this is right before the scene where he summons Ben with his full-fledged powers -- he couldn't have been under the influence of drugs if he was be able to do that
I kind of like that Patch doesn't explicitly like Diego. I like to think she really doesn't like him and Diego's love is one-sided, and he can't properly tell when someone loves him back due to his childhood.
@@ayshaalmarar1819 I think the fact that it is a "lover relationship" plays on the theme that the people who are supposed to love him don't, but he always has that one-sided love for them. He thinks that she must still love him because of that history, just as he thinks Mom must love him because of her role in his life despite the fact that she isn't human.
@@Leiloke to expand a little more on that, i can't help but think that Diego's struggle in his relationships with other people extends from his inability of letting go of the feelings he experienced with them. you can see it with his mom - despite knowing that she was programmed to act in a certain manner, that she was affectionate with every one of them, he can't help but think that he is special; he can't let go of the feeling that Grace truly loves him, and he can't understand why his siblings don't feel the same way about her. this is something that is recurrent in his relationship with Patch, too. she doesn't like him, they broke up, he is annoying - but she loved him once, that has to mean something, right? if he can't stop loving her, she shouldn't be able to either. the fact that she died is actually detrimental for his development as a character, you see, he was able to let go of his mother once he truly understood the extent of her programming, but Patch is dead - she is never coming back, and that leaves Diego in place to just remember her; she isn't there to put him in place, she can't act or talk for herself, no one in Diego's social group knows her, so the only thing left of her is the twisted memory he has of the person she was before she grew up - because he never accepted the person she ended up being. he obsesses, he can't let go of his feelings, he doesn't understand why people don't feel the way he does.
I can ignore Klaus forgetting the guns in the theatre bc he’s shown to hallucinate gunfire in PTSD episodes, it would be easy to say he thought it was in his head. Even when Ben said “do you hear gunfire?” he is immediately distracted by Cha-Cha and it makes sense that he would ignore anything else happening to focus on her. Also this video is amazing.
Ahhh similar to how in the first episode, when Five first arrives, Klaus asks if anyone else sees “little number Five” or if it’s just him, because he thinks he could be seeing Five’s ghost. Poor Klaus, at this point in his life the lines between what’s real, what’s dead, what’s a flashback and what’s just drug hallucination must be ridiculously blurred.
He can also breathe underwater, which is why his hero name is The Kraken, but I know they director cut that out of the live action because they wanted to ground it more in reality
He can control things after he throws them too. He throws a knife at Luther when he thinks Luther is some rando breaking into his room in the boxing place. Before it hits Luther, he curves it away into the wall next to him. I might have just misread or am misremembering the scene
@@FMAxEdwin I think it may be possible he still can breathe underwater, but it's just situational and not really necessary for his arc so it isn't ever brought up. Especially since Diego's comic powers are VERY disconnected from each other
I like the way that Diego re-writes Patch in his mind. It's just more of his broken mind--he takes the fact that she called him and he makes her a complete girlfriend future that he could have had. That relationship is all in his mind, and it's so sad.
Honestly I watched the show with my dad, and when he saw the scene where Alison rumours her kid into sleeping, my dad just turned to me and said "Yeah, I probably would've done that with you to be honest." Edit: Happy to see this story being appreciated like 2 1/2 years later lmao
Fun theory: they’re actually numbered backwards based on how powerful they are. Luthers power is pretty weak, rendering him number one. Just another lie Hargreeves told them
I think she's only talking about the powers confirmed in the show, we don't know if he can still hold his breath for a long time in the shows portrayal.
“Small, quick video.” Over 50 minutes long. I love it though. X-Men with more daddy issues and crying is pretty much the best explanation for the Umbrella Academy.
Okay but the Friendship is Witchcraft “Since We’re Not Related It’ll Be Okay” instrumental playing in the background while talking about Allison and Luther’s relationship is just…👌🏽 peak comedy
I always took Five's name (or lack thereof) as him rejecting a 'normal' name and choosing to stick with just the number. He wasn't a blind follower like Luther but he did show the most dedication towards advancing his powers.
I agree, Grace clearly named them long before Five went missing. I theorized that he rejected a name because his number defined him, and helped him stand out from everyone else, who all went by their "ordinary" names.
I think on twitter they confirmed "Five" os his name, cause he was a mathematical and strategic genius and so his name was just also number, and he embraced it during surviving the apocalypse
Didn’t know there are a lot of people who find this relationship so endearing. To me personally it’s weird cause of the big age difference. But I understand it better now that’s explained here cause they’ve both experienced things, just differently. Still kinda weird tho.
One really subtle detail I love about Grace’s “death” is that she says the words “Diego, remember...” now this leads the audience to think she is going to say “Remember me” as one final act of humanity, but it could also easily be interpreted as her getting ready to repeat the phrase “Diego, remember what we learned. Picture the word in your head”. This ambiguity lets the audience decide if she’s experiencing remorse or sadness, or whether she is just broken and is repeating the same programmed responses.
I saw it a little bit differently. Even after she reminded Diego he still faltered, so she reached out once more to help him even as she was actively dying. It was like her last breath was an effort to care for her son
I think the "I heard a rumor that you love me. " line was definitely said to her husband. You still absolutely have the ability to leave someone even if you do love them. Especially if you see them doing something as horrible as he did.
I've heard of an interpretation that Allison rumoured Luther into loving her as kids. Growing up in a house with an abusive parent, they all formed units or friendships: Diego and Grace, Klaus and Ben, Five and Vanya, and Luther and Allison. It's quite possible that Allison, seeing the close bond between her and Luther, mistook a deep admiration for something stronger, and after she cast her powers, forgot that she had ever rumoured Luther in the first place. I'd like to see Season 2 address this concept, and see how they resolve it.
yeah like she said it to him a while ago and but he assumed she would never use her powers in that way. Then when he saw her use it in the same way on their daughter, he realised what she had done and that's why he was so mad.
Love is something you can fall in and out of, I could see her making her husband love her as she is, and then enough time passes, enough things about her change, he makes enough realizations, falls out of love, and would have to do charmed again to be in love with the modern her.
I was under the impression that Allison's power wasn't necessarily permanent. Vanya does eventually remember when she's triggered to. If someone is rumoured into loving her after not being in or falling out love, it's plausible to think that the fake love might wear off like a love potion who's effects only last until it's out of their system, or broken in the same way that all their fighting would remind them why they weren't in love in the first place. Her kid wasn't sleepy forever, just for that night. I don't know if they give it more depth in the books, but it could be something along the lines of the more plausible it is the less likely someone is able to break out of the spell or something to do with the person she manipulates.
The reason why Vanya was so in love with Leonard was because he was the only one that told her that she was special. Even when her family found out the truth of Leonard, she felt personally attacked because her family tried to take away person that gave her validation.
Plus he technically helped her rediscover her powers, with ulterior motives, but still...I see why she was happy being with him up until she found out the truth.
@@mynameisreallycool1 mhm because he actually in a way or what she thought He had given her a lot of attention and showed that he actually cared and that she was human and had emotions unlike her family excluding five cuz they were close. For the first time in her life she actually feels at someone genuinely cares for her and loves her and thinks that she is special with or without powers. Only to find out but he was just using her which made her go over the edge since she was already on the edge.
spoilers! i always thought he was creepy and when vanya finally found out the truth and killed him i was like "wow, good riddance". what an asshole. vanya deserves so much better
for 5's name, i like to think that Reginald told grace to name 6 of them, the 6 that "mattered" to him, and Five gave up his name so grace would name Vanya. Therefore, still got 6 names. He doesnt mind being called 5, so why not. It's implied that 5 and Vanya were close, so it makes sense he would sacrifice that for his friend.
During the section about Alison and Luther's relationship, there is piano music in the background. It is a cover of a song from the parody series "Friendship is Witchcraft". The song is called "It'll be OK". The song is about a romantic relationship between a character and her adopted brother. A part of the song says specifically "Since we're not related it'll be OK". I heard the music. I recognized the song. I laughed so hard I cried. I am in love with the attention to detail the author of this video has.
They do. Just if you take a different point of view. I don't think Patch had anything to do with the story they were telling. I think that was about how he see's his "family" and his "father" being translated through his extrafamilial relationships as also being cold, detached, passionless and alone. That's his comfort zone because it's all he knows. So, simply remove every other entity in his "personal story times" with him. It's all he's ever had. Not that he's selfish or a narcissist. There's many different ways of being "self centered". I thought it was all brilliant how they told his story, including Patch... Because think about it.. Really... she didn't matter at all. Just what HE thought about "they".
I think the characters that least interact are vanya and klaus?? Honestly I can’t think of one conversation they had. They were arguably the most traumatized as children (judging by the flashbacks and scenes we’ve seen in season 1) but they both cope and act very differently, I hope we see more of them as characters interact.
I agree, while most of the siblings at least get SOME moments together, Klaus and Vanya are the only ones who never speak to each other, even when they're sitting right next to each other. The only hint of a relationship we get between the two is when Klaus objects to Vanya being locked up, but then again, so did everyone else. Hopefully, Season 2 will have more interactions between the pair!😀
I don’t get why they even turned out the way they did. Klaus was locked in a dark room for hours forced to hear the screams of the dead. So to make the voices stop he is constantly getting high. Vanya was lied to, disrespected, casted out, and ignored for most of her life. How are either of them functioning people.
@@MykeThaOrphan0209 The point is that they aren't functioning. Claus spent like, a decade or more perpetually high so he wouldn't hear the dead, and when Vanya discovered how much she was lied to, she lashed out with extreme violence
Klaus didn't like when Vanya had been locked up- he tried to make Luther understand by commenting how scared and terrifying it must be for her powers to just come back. They probably weren't close with eachother because of how similiar they must have been.
to be fair, Luther went through just as much abuse... only his was different because he was simultaneously being manipulated by Hargreaves into being the perfect soldier/getting his siblings on board. his desperation to prove his father cared about him was the reason why he so desperately brought up the moon mission - because if it wasn’t, then why had he risked his life, given up a childhood, stayed emotionally stunted, stayed isolated from his siblings, etc. if there was no point?
@@lainareese5777 Seconded, Luther just wanted his father to love him, and paid the price for being Reggie's favourite child. He brings up the moon in a desperate attempt to prove that he wasn't sent up there for nothing, and to be fair, he doesn't bring it up as often as the fandom would have you believe. Luther is also so cut off from his siblings that he doesn't realize the extent of how damaging their childhoods were. For instance, he tells Klaus that he wishes that he was happier like him, even though everyone else can tell that Klaus was haunted by ghosts, and turned to drugs to cope with it, even though they don't take him seriously for the most part.
This video: *gives a nuance and detailed description of the abuse and manipulation Luther went through and dissects his character enough to see the complexities of his background and personality* This fandom: lOl daD sEnT Me tO THe mOon
@@lainareese5777 In my opinion Klaus went through the most abuse. Luther was more emotional abuse but Dad also became a tiny bit more sympathetic towards him. But still, he uses that for every excuse which gets really annoying. Klaus was mentally tormented causing him to have a drug problem to feel numb and he acts as if he's ok went he's self-destructing so much, which I think is way worse. Besides, even in death their Dad was disrespectful and disappointed in Klaus. It was kind of sad
I agree! I also think it’s meant to signify the ‘weight’ of his secret finally being out in the open. You would think that revealing something painful to others would make you feel lighter, but Luther still feels burdened and ‘heavy’ even after they see his form.
Yeah also like a deafening moment of what was supposed to be shock, to the siblings, to Luther, as well as us, since they pan to Alison’s face, as though we are Luther caring about how we are viewed specifically through her eyes, and the first time we understand his transformation
Vanya is my favorite character; as someone who struggles with an inferiority complex and chronic depression, I find her extremely relatable, well-written, and perfectly acted. You really get the sense, watching her, that she struggles to find the energy to even smile, that she has no faith in life or herself, and has resigned herself to a state of apathy, rather that fighting a futile battle with the world around her. At the same time there are hints of happiness, hints that she is trying to make the best of her situation and that she wants to feel better, even if she doesn't know how. She continues to play the violin, she writes a book, she even embraces a romantic relationship, when it would be so much easier just to give up and become a hermit. Depression isn't constant, it isn't just sitting in a dark room crying all the time - there are layers to it, ups and downs both from internal struggles and external influence, and Vanya, to me, perfectly encapsulates what depression looks like, and how it can turn volatile and destructive if left untreated. Plus, her eyes just looks awesome when she "goes bad".
@@tsrenis I was talking about how well written and acted the character was, and how relatable, I (as a person with chronic depression) find her character to be - the events of the plot are not relevant to what I was saying.
Other than five, viktor Is my second favourite character because of this. Growing up as the underdog or the one who always gets left out, I always imagine myself and relive the show as being the character who goes through a similar situation. That’s why I hate it when people try to say he’s the villain because in my eyes his anger and sadness is completely justified- not to mention hes just unlocked an uncontrollable power that had been rumoured and drugged away for years
Diego's powers are that he can bend the trajectory of any proyectile he throws. Once you know it you can notice it happening in all of his scenes, but the introduction in the bank robery didn't make it quite clear that those two knives were taking an unnatural trajectory, so he just comes off as being good at throwing knives, which makes it confusing when he does things that shouldn't be possible just by being good.
It wasn’t clear. But we live in a world filled with super powered characters and I thought it was clear that he had supernatural control of things he throws. Not “of metal” or “of knives” or whatever.
I have a little theory/headcannon that their numbers are reversed. It was always weird to me how Ben was six when he could sumon a cthulhu and Diego is 2 when all he can do is throw knives. I also think the numbers are used as a way to raise self esteem on those who need it, and keep it down on those who are more powerfull and could be more of a threat. Idk, makes more sense to me, since Vanya was n7 and I dont think it would be a coincidence that the one lower on the list is the one who gets ignored.
Spoiler! In the comics it’s revealed that the numbers are reversed so that the most powerful had the largest number and the least powerful had the lowest number
@@m.k4252 in the show Diego can control the path of any projectile (bullets rockets etc) and in the comics he can hold his breath for presumably forever, that’s why he’s called the kraken,
I interpreted the sound of Luther's footsteps suddenly getting louder different. I thought it was shot from Luther's perspective, from what I remember even the way the camera moved over the faces of the siblings was as if we're seeing through his eyes. That's what Luther hears when he moves, because as much as he doesn't want to say it, he feels like a monster. His foot steps sound more amplified. Like people who are too self conscious about their weight sometimes wince when they sit on a chair and it creaks, they feel too heavy and uncomfortable in their skin that they think it's loud and everyone can hear it like they can. They don't even notice that when everyone else sits their chairs also creak.
i also think it kinda makes sense that his siblings wouldnt react too much, like, their powers arent fully clear to them either, they wouldnt know wether or not Luther growing so much is weird or not since they don't know how their powers came to be/ why they were born in such a strange way etc
I never even thought that Allison could solve Klaus’ problem with her powers. I suppose that’s why they wrote in a whole DETAILED backstory plot for her about how using her powers has ruined her entire life and so now she refuses to use them. 🙄
pretty much, another possible solution to how OP she is is if the people she's fighting know in advance what her power is. if she has the element of surprise, it's incredibly difficult to defeat her. she's also quite capable in a fight.
I also think the drugs are not Klauss' main problem, not being able to deal with all the dead people talking is. Not sure if she could rumour that away
@@ApequH Exactly! And because Klaus' power functions like a mental illness, if she completely stripped him of his coping mechanism, he'd probably do some _even more_ insanely self-destructive shit to try and get the voices of the dead to stop terrorizing him, and probably fuck himself up even worse trying.
@@fandomcringebucket also even if she could say rumor it away much like Viktor and the rest of the family or her love rumor, it’s shown that rumors can only work as temporary locks, much like real issues. Klaus having the voices rumored away might solve it but for how long before the vault is open again for Klaus to deal with? Is it expected that Allison would just rumor away the ghosts and voices whenever Klaus had to deal with them again but honestly that sounds even worse + just more trauma for both characters something Allison probably couldn’t handle given the pain rumoring people has done to her mentally as well.
Reginald is a massive idiot in what he made Allison do to Viktor. Instead of making Viktor's emotions and power held back, Reginald could've told Allison to say "I heard a rumor you have perfect control over you emotions and powers". smh. Allison could've said "I heard a rumor you heal from all your trauma and have the best controls over your addiction and power". SMFH.
Everyone had their own little coping mechanism. Number 1, Luther: Unswerving loyalty, try harder to earn affection, strive to be the best. Number 2, Diego: Vigilantism, try and make everything he did have worth. Number 3, Allison: Seek attention in fame, use rumor powers to gain undeserved praise. Number 4, Klaus: Drugs and other stimuli, dull the senses and hide from.his fears. Number 5: Emotional support animal, find something that won't judge him and attach his hopes, dreams, and beliefs to it. Number 7, Vanya: Repression of emotions, leading to emotional stunting.
Y'all kinda laughing at Ben not being on here bc he's dead but like.. His 'coping mechanism' was likely suicide or purposely putting himself in dangerous situations Suicide and destructive behaviours are both common responses to abuse and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case for Ben
Diego's power is being able to control objects that are moving through the air, not just inhuman accuracy. In season two, he stops bullets, and moved them.
@@dynomar11 Still, I always thought that the scene in which Diego throws a knife through the slit in his door at Luther, and the bank heist scene should have done a lot of showing not telling as to how his power works. His knives literally pull 90 degree turns throughout season one and they focus hard on it when he fights.
@@Blueeyesthewarrior Well...not to be that guy but (and I know you wrote this before season two) his power in the comics is actually breathing under water. His knife throwing is just a skill. And in the show, it's made pretty obvious that his knives trajectories are being hard-manipulated and moving contrary to physics, so.
Headcanon about Five's name. Reginald told Grace to name 6 of the kids meaning to leave Vanya nameless. But Five was like "Nah I'm good," so then she named Vanya instead of Five.
@@sahraguya7639 that would make sense considering that Vanya is a boy name in Russia. So maybe Five was the person that was born in the beginning of the pilot?
I think the person Allison hypnotized into loving her was the same person she was talking about when she told Vannya that she knows a thing or two stalkers. It was probably a classic case of you can only bewitch people into obsession not real love. Just a thought 🤔
Personally, my favorite character is Klaus. He was funny in the first episodes, even though that was mainly because he was always high, but then you get to find out so many things about how his father and his powers affect him that you start to care for him. Plus, he had great character development as we get to see more of his personality when he's clean and worried about Dave and his siblings.
My favorite thing about klaus is he's the only on screen connection to Reginalds abuse, yes by examining his actions and the characters reactions you know it must have been very bad but the only time the true scope is shown is when he locks Klaus in the mausoleum. And it also shows how his own siblings neglect and ignore him when he says he's been tortured, killed at the rave, and trapped in the Vietnam war they don't believe him or care. Even though we are led to believe they are all empathetic people.
It absolutely breaks my heart how he has to live a life like this because he is a good person. The amount of trauma he has gone through is not acknowledged at all and everyone just takes him for the comical junkie. It breaks my fucking heart
To me the dancing scene where they all dance in their separate room/box was heartbreaking because it was almost a visualisation of the damage their father made: how even when they are so connected through emotions and trauma he has done such an excellent job of alienating and dividing them that they unable to share this moment. It's like a really smart and sad way of showing his horrible legacy. Absolutely loved your analysis. Instant sub!
Mermaid Monkey also that grace is in fact not dancing was a great way of displaying her place in the umbrella academy and I just felt like it had a big impact on how the viewer sees her
She actually says “I heard a rumour you love me.” to Patrick, yes. That’s how was it in the comics, even though Allison still thinks that what they had was real.
@@mynameisreallycool1 I think that Patrick does still love her, but that his love for her is overshadowed by his need to protect his daughter. Even when getting divorced, people can and do still love each other.
@@mynameisreallycool1 Her rumors probably don’t last forever. When Lila made her not be able to breath she didn’t die, it lasted probably not even a minute before she was good again
I think the reason 5 is bad at explaining himself and his plans is because of how long he was by himself, without having to explain to anyone in the apocalypse
5's actor talked on twitter about why his character doesn't have a name. It's not because 5 left before they all got names, it's because 5 didn't want a name
Yeah because when the kids all go to see Reginald at night Grace calls 'Number Three' Allison, so they must have been named in the TV show before he left. Which is a change from the comics where he left before they were named. I wonder how they'll explain it.
@@263Adder The thing is that, in the comics, Five left when they were younger than ten years old, if I'm not mistaken, so he never got a real name. But in the series, he was already thirteen or something, so they were already named.
I think Ben coaching Klaus is clever because he didn't get to live the life that Klaus is wasting. Klaus can't communicate with the dead while drunk or high either so I think Ben wants Klaus to stop neglecting his power and start embracing it because it can be used like it is in season 2.
I got the sense that Ben just died tragically. It makes the whole dynamic with Klaus work better- like, I'm dead, you're alive, and this is what you do with it?
Hmm I think it can work as well if he did end himself (this sound so bad), then you have the next narrative, live your life to the full extent, don't do what I foolishly did even if life is hard sometimes. It gives a nice message to the viewer and a great character development to Ben as he even if he is dead he regrets doing it and he is trying to lead Klaus to living a better life.
I always got the vibe that along with all of the abuse and the emotional trauma of having dead people talk to you, klaus was jealous of ben. He was abusing drugs and had a general distaste for the normal (like lydia Deetz from beetlejuice) I think it makes a lot of sense canonically that klaus is suicidal/depressed
I’ve always thought Ben killed himself, because as a child he always seemed to be the one who actively hated the powers he had, and really didn’t want them. He shows regret more that remourse over his death when he’s talking to klaus about it. Also the plaque on his statue says something like ‘the darkness inside him won’ which sounds like a poetic way to say he killed himself because he hated the powers he had. Idk I could be looking to far into it tho
I havent seen anyone say this but that whole sections background music... Its a song about a sister and her adopted brother wanting to get married. Oh and its also a my little pony parody but thats besides the point. The songs called "it'ill be okay" from Friendship is witchcraft
I think the "I heard a rumor that you loved me" was Allison's husband. The impression I got about him was that he knew about her power and he even knew that she had used it on him and that it was the foundation of their relationship... still, he did love her, so he stayed with her. But seeing her do the same thing to his daughter went too far because he might be able to accept that he was manipulated into loving her, but he can't accept the same thing happening to his daughter.
What you said makes a lot of sense but I keep thinking about the comic, where we saw Allison rumour Luther. She only used her power to make Luther kiss her but that still could lead to the “I heard a rumour that you loved me”
I was hoping that the "I heard a rumour you love me" was something she had done in a past relationship when she was slightly younger and more naive - like maybe her early twenties or something. It's terrifying to think she would base a marriage off of mind control 😐 But then again, Allison is only 30 and her child, Claire, is not that young, so she probably _did_ get married in her early twenties (this would have probably broken Luther's heart and would explain why he threw himself into such blind devotion to Reginald even when all his siblings had kong since left)
Harder to be a vigilante if everyone knows the facts of your life. But I know guys like Diego, they LOVE to be a mystery. They don’t want you to know why they behave the way they do. Being mysterious is easier than overcoming your trauma.
As a guy, the makeup analysis section was an amazing insight into the characters I literally never thought about while watching the show or even noticed
I hope in the third season we get more flashbacks to Vanya and five. They seemed close as children, five probably started being close only to piss of their father but then generally enjoyed Hanging out with her. When he left, she left out food for him and kept the lights on while the others didn't. when five was in the apocalypse vanya was the first person he called out to. She was the first person that he told about his experiences and what s going to happen. Also when Vanya was blowing up everything in the house she left fives room untouched.
What I love about UA is that it has some WEIRD stuff in it, but it's all unexplained. They act as if it's normal, so it feels like you're in this magical world that's used to it.
if you think the show is weird just read the comic. and they STILL don't act like the weird stuff is a big deal. "yeah we're gonna summon a magical ancient being to fight some vietcong vampires. no big deal." "yah a wrestler suplexed a lovecraftian horror"
@@jub4843 The universe doesn't have older things as much as just the mansion does, since sir Hargreeves is quite fond of the devices. Also they've all got a cell, except for Five and Klaus, Five cause he lived through different times, and Klaus because he would've most likely sold his for a few pennies for his drug habits.
I just want to make a small correction, even though I'm sure you've already worked it out from watching season 2: Diego's power isn't inhuman accuracy; he can manipulate projectiles midair. His favorite application is by curving his knives after throwing them, but he can also, say, swerve bullets away from him and his friends. Like a toned down Magneto almost.
When it comes to Five, he chose not to take the name that Grace gave him. Even as a 13 year old, he still had a lot of anger and resentment towards Reginald, due to his being told not to push the limit of his powers. He did get a name. Just chose not to use it.
Synesthetic Ink yeah because people see a lot of similarities between five and someone gerard knows irl. it’s just speculation tho no one that works on tua he said anything
"I don't think Patch loves him. I don't even get an indication that she likes him". Because she doesn't. He was a mistake she made once. She was sexually attracted to a "bad boy" who she later broke up with. Diego's upbringing gave him no adult capacity to form meaningful intimate relationships. He processed their sexual relationship as love and can't let it go.
Andrew Johnson so basically your saying that patch doesn’t love him but for fun.But because of Diego’s upbringing, he wasn’t able to distinguish with true love or fake “fun” love
@@Ben-wq7mi You know, that is a good question. I'm not sure that I could say exactly the nature of their relationship was. However, a common pattern with children of emotional abuse is for them to get into toxic relationships, the healthy pattern realizes that it is toxic, breaks up and tries to move on. The abuse victim, having been given no model of healthy loving relationships clings on, not allowing the other partner to effectively let go. I'm not certain if that is what the screenwriters intended, but that is what I saw when I was watching it.
@@andrewjohnson6716 The only meaningful connection we see him make with anyone outside his family, are with women in both season 1 and 2. Maybe that's because of his bond with Grace?
Paul Johnson I don’t think Patch loves him, I think she cares but she isn’t in love with the guy. They’re kind of like old friends and Diego really did care about her he just couldn’t really express/show it because he’s like they all say “Emotionally Stunted”
In one scene Cha-cha plainly says that Diego's power is to control anything he throws, and he mostly throws knifes. Yet in every review I've seen for this, the reviewer forgets about that scene and is like "I have no idea what Diego's power is".
The issue seems to be that there was a massive retool between the first episode and the rest of the series, including several of the children’s powers. For example, Allison’s powers seem to involve reality bending early in the show but all we ever see is mind-control. We never see Diego use his throwing powers in any notable way, so I think that was left out or changed.
Yes, Diego can control the angle of any object he throws, particularly knives, and he never misses a target. They cut out his ability to breath underwater from the comics, likely because it would be difficult to shoot underwater. 🔪
That's why I never understood why he came out of cover while throwing the knifes in the bowling alley, if he can bend their course he should be able to stay behind cover and still throw them.
@@trinaq what's weird is because the fact he has such a lame power is WHY he became a badass knife thrower, as compensation and to prove he wasn't useless, in fact I'm not sure if the comcis have shown him using his powers much if at all anyway so it justseems like a pretty arbitrary change
I seem to remember that Five specifically dismisses getting a "real" name? Like all the kids get named by Grace and Five is just like, "nah, I'm good." We don't see that specific scene but considering Five's personality and the way Grace says "Five" (i.e., the same way she says the names of all her other children) that's definitely the impression I get.
in the comics he disappeared when he was 10 (and presumably they got their name not long before that), and returned 20 years after that. according to the comics, his name wasnt spoken for so long that everyone forgot it. hes just referred to as The Boy. GW said in an interview that “maybe theyll (Luther and Diego) learn the numbers dont matter as five did, which is why I feel he embraced his number as a name instead of a rank and rejected an actual name” and early last year the TUA twitter asked the fandom what would they name five. of course cuz of frank iero everyone pushed frank thomas and anthony - which i have to say would suit five. nonetheless, the name what best suits him is still five. soooo all this means is he has an actual name, but he uses five. maybe will learn whats his official name in the next season :D
I believe the world ended in a different way in the first universe that Five was in during the apocalypse. In that timeline, Vanya didn’t destroy the world from the theater and Harold/Leonard had gotten a fake eye that had been pulled out by Luther.
I think he did, because in the last chapter when he gets to the academy he says "The Moon's is still shining the Earth is in one piece" so like i guess this was almost the same ending, and if not something similar (??)
Yes, it ended in a different way. That's why he found the bodies and the fake eye. They all die fighting in a universe where he never came back, everything change at the moment he did.
This is a late comment, but I actually like Diego and Patch’s relationship. As someone who grew up with emotionally abusive parents, you tend to cling onto the thought of someone, rather than their actual self. You warp reality to make yourself feel more loved, and I think that that’s what Diego and Patch’s relationship is. Deep down he longs to be loved, and the contrast to the person he said she is and who she actually is, is rather sad. I feel like their relationship *is* one-sided. Patch doesn’t love him, and that scene where he tells her about Grace is made that way for a reason. She doesn’t react like he hoped she would. But I don’t know, that’s just my take on it.
I feel like that's why he was SO devastated at her death. Of course, he did love her, and so he mourns her, but at the same time, she will never love him back, which is even sadder. Maybe that's why he tries to stick to her ideals, almost as a last-ditch effort to prove his worth to her.
I love this thought. I grew up with an emotionally abusive mum, so my first relationship was me being emotionally abusive to my girlfriend. My mum always wanted me to be something I wasn't, she wouldn't let me be me, I was her second chance, and if I didn't like that she would get nasty. So I did the same to my girlfriend. I didn't respect her boundaries, I went out with her cause I thought she was a tomboy and I liked that about her, and that's all she was to me. The thought that Diego attached a predefined identity to Patch, and Patch grew out of that is really endearing. All the "you used to like that" sounds less like flirting and more like a child wanting their best friend to be the way they first became friends with them for, not valuing them as a person, and so appreciating who they grew up to be, rather liking one trait about them and when they no longer posses that trait, instead of moving on, you force it back on to them. I think he cried when she died not because he realised she would never love him back, but instead because he now no longer had anything to project that desirable trait on to. His father projected the vigilante trait into him, and he's so mad that that's what he became, that he thinks projecting an ideal onto someone is enough to get them become that. Again, I love this thought.
It’s not often that we see super hero’s from an abusive upbringing. Those story lines are always used for the supervillains. Superhero’s although have tragedy, death of a parent ect they are always blessed with economic wealth, marshal arts expertise, super intelligence and happy upbringings in other ways from other supportive care givers. I’ve never related to the hero’s because Im also from an up-bringing more similar to the villains. Very rarely do we ever get to see a fecked up start for the hero’s. I loved this show so much more for this.
Mike Morro my comments are mostly focused toward D.C. superhero’s than marvels as I know more about them. Tragic upbringings are reserved (to my knowledge) for supervillains in DC and other comics mostly. I didn’t know about Burse banners father being abusive but still on the whole I stand by my comment.
Mike Morro all of Tony starks bad habits and issues come from the lack of connection with his father while growing up... not exactly abuse but his development as a child was drastically affected by it, leading to his playboy, dangerous lifestyle
I honestly feel like Allison doesn't want to rumor everything because she doesn't wanna mess up her life again, because it happened too many times too her, and like she said, she couldn't take it back.
Sandy Cohen I mean, sure it would make sense. But I think after losing your marriage and your child, possibly all relations to your child because you abused your powers, would make somebody hesitant to use them, no matter the situation. On the other hand, the whole thing with Cha-Cha maybe was Allison proving that she has worth even without her powers.
The whole scene where Vanya slits Allison's throat, it never really scares me with the gore. It's the whole reaction and acting that gets me. The way she screams and everyone panics makes it very disturbing. The acting in this show is so good 😅
@@aliadrift yeah right! I felt so sorry for Vanya. She never meant to hurt anyone but she got out of control. And still it's not her fault. She's just the kindest, nicest, most sensitive and loving character. She wouldn't even hurt Luther who did so many bad things to her.
Vanya was basically an innocent girl turned into a monster by her siblings and father. They all alienated her, mistreated her, neglected her and had the galls to blame her for her problems they themselves caused, especially Reginald, Luther and Allison. They all act like she is the freak, when they were the ones who are freaks and no surprise, Vanya turned into a killer. That's why you never abuse children and gaslight them into hating themselves, you get Vanya as a result.
I will never understand UA-cam recommendations but every now and then it knows exactly what I want. Long critical video analysis on media I am fond of.
Just an explanation: Diego's super power is his inhuman hand-eye coordination. It's not just the knives. His ability to climb buildings and slip in through windows etc, is all part of it. The knives are just the primary expression.
I didnt get that at all, his power is telekinesis but it isn't very strong, he can only use it on small medium speed objects, hence why he can bend the curve of a knife through the air but couldn't do it with a bullet, hence why he doesn't use guns and bend bullets. They all recieved combat training.
@@BrentHollett he bends knives through the air many times in the first series. Thats not possible without telekinesis, i always thought he was similar to the main character in the Wanted comic book who bends bullets with telekinesis (the film changed it) I can see how someone could miss it though.
@@Mikimarux in both this show and the Wanted movie, telekinesis wasn't mentioned (though it's clear in the final episode of the 2nd Umbrella season.) This comment was posted before that aired.
@@BrentHollett yeah, I mentioned that, it was in the Wanted comic book, not the movie as I said. Rewatch season one of umbrella academy, he throws knives and they turn 90 degrees in the air on a dime, multiple times. Some things don't need to be outright stated to be inferred. I'm pretty sure no one said that Luther has super strength but that's inferred by his actions.
@@Liliwillomsm You corrected the OP to make it "needs no daddy" which means Diego doesn't need a father figure. But OP's statement of "need to daddy" implies that Diego doesn't need to BE a father.
Speaking of none of the siblings understanding how to talk to Vanya, I'm reminded of some of the best character development in Season 2. Luther believes he is at least equally responsible, and probably more responsible for the Apocalypse than Vanya, despite the fact that Vanya was literally the one who did it. He gave up on her because he trusted his dad's judgement that Vanya's powers were too dangerous to allow her any freedom. And instead of treating her like a human he treated her like a mission, one where he had to be in charge and make all the calls to prove how special and awesome he is. He completely ignored Allison trying to reach out to Vanya, when if anyone, Allison should have wanted her dead or imprisoned the most. In Season 2 he understands all of this, and seems to actively despise himself for his actions.
Honestly grace’s scenes are all so heartbreaking. One that comes to mind is when Diego is sitting with her right before he puts her down. She says something about one of the women and one of the landscapes, and Diego realizes that her whole life was that house and those children, except for those paintings, which i believe were a tiny bit of defiance towards Reginald. That one thing about her that he couldn’t control. That one bit of humanity. When she is rebooted(?) by pogo, we can see that defiance mutate into something more: She isn’t quite sentient, but she is human. More human than she ever was.
One thing that's not entirely clear is if she originally *used* to be like that before they modified her to be unable to save Reginald. It seems like maybe that broke her.
Omg this makes so much sense. When she was re booted by pogo he asked her “do you remember what happened?” And she said yes !! So maybe what happened was she got re booted into her non-robot self and was human again back to when she was pogos mom in season two and that’s why she was acting all weird towards the end and stuff...
she probably either didn’t think she could, or she couldn’t. people’s definition of good parenting are different and like @Enuma Elish said, what he was doing could’ve been what he considered good parenting.
I want someone to re-write the scene when Ben hears gunfire, but instead of running in Ben has to calm Klaus down because he starts freaking out bc gun fire *and* chacha would be ALOT to deal with at once for him.
Considering this show had a scene with him having a Vietnam flashback at a rave, I'm surprised that the writers forgot about Klaus' more probable reaction to hearing gunfire.
I return with such a small teeny tiny video. The good news is I've reorganized my life to have more time to make UA-cam videos. Thanks for all the patience and sweet words, this video was universally blocked for awhile, but I won the disputes. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Quinn Curio welcome back
Quinn Curio what are your thoughts on the MCU
Great video, first time watching the channel and I think you have some pretty good insights but I wanted to mention that I think you missed that Chacha has feelings for Hazel, thoughts?
I wasn't sure if that's what they were going for or if I was just assuming Chacha liked him romantically because she's a woman and there is an element of jealousy involved. So I decided to not comment on it.
Just like in general? I like it, and I like crying when the characters die. I'm not even sure how I would approach talking about the MCU on my channel, I wanna do Harry Potter stuff first.
Reporter: Would you say you're an independent person?
Luther: *looks at Reginald*
Reginald: *nods*
Luther: Yes.
Me at the doctor's office
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Reporter: "Would you say you're an independent person?"
Luther: Daddy, am I an independent person?
Reginald: Yes, you conformist twit.
Luther: Yes.
@@samuelbarber6177 next time you tape something on to someones joke try actually adding something instead of saying the same thing again with different words :\
@ They did lol
They added Reginald insulting Luther and explicitly calling him conformist, making it even more sad and ironic
"the most stable relationship in this family was five and an appartment store dummy!" -Klaus, S2
Department store*
@Aurora Nightingale Yep thnx fr using the right quote
It was actually the most stable relationship in this family was when five was banging that mannequin
I mean it's not false. He and Delores had decades together.
i thought it was "the most stable relationship in this family was when five was screwing that manikin"
This old dude thought he was a pokemon trainer, collecting magic to children to battle with.
I love this comment so much, lol.
😂
That explains why he ignored Vanya, he can only keep 6 in his party
I saved you all I changed the likes to 667
Their typings, what should they be though?
“A teenage boy playing an old man playing a teenage boy” and he nailed it
Yes he did
💯🥰
Yes, yes he did.
*Nr. 5* is my favorite Character.
@@jackwriter1908 No. 5
@@fenexus404 other Country, other Name.
The scene where Vanya slashes Allison’s throat reminds me of when you’re a kid and your sibling says something to you or takes your toy, your ability to communicate your anger goes out the window so you push them. To me, that feels purposefully telling of Vanya’s isolated upbringing
Arwen Carbery Once when I was in elementary school a girl was being mean to me and it just got to be too much, so I kicked her, but immediately after I was crying and apologizing because I realized how bad it was that I did that. Felt just like that scene, but with less blood, obviously
@@sydneyhall8610 less blood?
@@elinoadelazerda2428 um yeah?
One time my sister and I were fighting over my toy bunny. I don't remember why exactly but I REALLY wanted her (the bunny) back and pulled as hard as I could while my sister did not let go and in the end, it tore an ear off. I ended up crying and running to mom to fix it.
I think it's like that too. Your emotions get the better of you and you become so desperate you just physically react to what you want/ need at that time. And either someone or something gets hurt in the process.
What I'm saying is I also totally get what you're talking about, and Allison needed to back off when Vanya got too overly stimulated/ angry
My gf hated the character but I was like wouldnt you do that if that same person was integral In you feeling small and assisting your father in making you feel so
"Give him a goddamn hug, Jesus Christ, he put down his robot-mommy" has got to be one of the best lines I've ever heard.
Jeff Torres 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
"You don't have to accomplish things to justify your existence"
That is a very soothing quote
I feel way too much for Vanyas mental state
Including placing huge import on a certain skill to feel worth it
José Ribamar Jr 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I needed to hear this today.
yeah, now I only wish that I could actually believe it
@@aldoushuxley5953 You don't ever have to justify your existence. You exist and that's the way it should be.
“His power functions more like a mental illness”. That describes klaus very well, and his arc. I was looking for essentially those words for- like forever- but that just completely nails it.
well the "talking to dead people" part, the immortality part just feeds his mental illness because he can behave as he likes with few consequences
@@larrystrange8044 At the time of this being posted, the power wasn't revealed yet
Klaus' power is essentially schizophrenia if the hallucinations were real. It's absolutely terrifying and he can't conciously control it, at least not in the beginning, of course he's doing his best to block it out.
every movie/tv show with time travel: ok but don’t interact with anyone, change time things , blah blah blah,
Five: haha time go brrrrrr
Five: Bit.ch say what?
if timelines function as nodes where events happen or not, it could make sense. I mean, the Comission works this way, making events happen as their prefered timeline
five in second season: haha farts go brr
I mean in this show time-travellers are immune from time changing so things are fine for them
Five : *Time go brrra kakaka skibidi papa and a dun dun dunbrrr skia kukukukuku dun dun*
Holy shit, do you know what I never considered? Klaus was still very much seeing the dead while serving in Vietnam. Could you imagine what he saw? The compounded trauma of war while trying to ignore the lost, agonized spirits of its victims? Did he sober up for the man he fell in love for? Did he in those ten months tell him he saw the dead, did he make real progress only to watch him get senselessly killed and totally relapse? I wish the show had touched on that.
Hopefully it still might
i'm pretty sure season 2 is in the past around the 60's era like kennedy's assination. Since vietnam was the same era, i am hoping they'll touch more on the relationships or just what Klaus did in the 10 months in vietnam. Hope he meets Dave but young Dave and they start dating :)
@@peepeetrain8755 welp....they did Klaus dirty huh
@@gwinnellheald8592 i mean it is understandable and how he approached dave was off like your a famous cult leader approaching a guy who clearly does not know his gender/sexuality yet and convince him you were lovers in the future in front of his clearly "straight" uncle.
@@gwinnellheald8592 LMAOJWJSJWKSJDKSN
I loved that you mentioned Vanya's use of makeup. It's something my mom pointed out to me when I was watching another show with her. I said something like "look they didn't blend her foundation" and my mom went "it's because she doesn't seem like the kind of character who knows how to blend foundation."
Interesting
I'm a male and I know more about menstrual cycles tmore than I do about this conversation please teach me Obi-Wan Kenobi you are my only hope
@@leeroberts4850 wait wut -_-
@@mikuappendver1086 wtf is blending foundation
@Sylvie Wėęēñńg well did she put her makeup on right in the umbrella academy?
It just seems to me like Vanya didn't have anyone to teach her how to put on make up. But gay men and drago queens figure it and something tells me they don't learn it from their mothers
I actually think Vietnam might be the reason Klaus doesn't realize there's actual gunshots in the theater. He has pretty big PTSD coupled with actually being sober enough to manifest Ben, so there's a huge chance he thinks the gunshots are just part of the PTSD or some sort of ghost manifestation, which is why until Luther tells him to get down he realizes "oh shit, this is actual gunfire"
Why the guys in the theater didn't shoot him instantly, yeah that is plot armor straight up
Or maybe he is just so used to gunfire as backround noise after 10 months in Vietnam it doesnt even register or somthing?
@@Lasanga95 true as well!
If dying is something one does well and often, would threats to normal humans still register as concerns for you?
@@Lasanga95That’s what I was thinking. So desensitized to it he doesn’t notice it anymore. I was in a shooting and every time I hear what sounds like a gun shot I assume it’s probably just my trauma making me think it’s gunshots and that it’s nothing when I don’t actually know if it is or not since I live in a bad neighborhood 🤷🏻♀️
I've never watched Umbrella Academy, but my little sister did, and when I asked her what she was watching, she described it as "Daddy Issues: The TV Series".
If you haven't then please do it's amazing
Sums the show up amazingly well.
@@fan2fics389 no...
Yes, but this time those daddy issues are pretty legitimate. XD
@@gabrieltiq412 What?
"maybe thats what happens when you burn books, it goes to ghosts"
imagine being a ghost and getting to read all of alexandria's library
All this shit is in Greek! Heck!
@@dr.jackbright963 And Egyptian, plus some other languages that aren't as popular today. At least, you'll have eternity to learn them?
Omg u didnt
Who
If we look at history and book burning, it could be claimed that ghosts are the best educaded. Spezialy political.
I wanted to see more of Five and Vanya together because it seemed as though they were very close as children, with Vanya leaving sandwiches for him even after he disappeared and him shouting out her name as one of the first when he found the ruined house
I want to see those two together too!!! I also noticed how close they seemed throughout the show. There was also the scene where he stayed at her house
I second this! I wish that they had shown Five and Vanya interacting more, but they don't really share scenes outside of the first two episodes. This may have been because having Five around may have thwarted Leonard's plans, and his goal was to isolate Vanya further from her family, while manipulating her all the while. Plus, Five was already preoccupied with stopping the apocalypse.
I'd love for them to have more scenes in season 2
i thought i was the only one 😞👊
Also when five goes to jump through time in those scenes it often cuts to Vanya looking down and almost saying something then letting it go and looking down. That alone adds so much.
I really liked how you adressed that there's no "right way" to respond to abuse. I recently learned that in addition to PTSD there's also post-traumatic growth disorder where some people focus so much on bettering themselves because they don't want to go through another bad thing ever again. Also, your take on Vanya gets so close to something I personally deal with: lack of a growth mindset. I was told I was the smart kid my whole life, built my self-esteem on it, and avoided personal responsibility for a long time. Now I'm washed up and have no drive because that was the root cause of my self-worth and I feel like a failure. I think I can get better but it's hard af
Hey, that’s me! A smart kid being praised for that all her life and having an identity crisis when she gets to a uni where everybody’s smart AND SMARTER. Soo if you ever wanna talk about it, drop me a line maybe? 👀
I had an ex like this. Atleast youre aware.
Oy I feel ya buddy. But we're gonna grow and get better and figure it out! Just slowly maybe 💜
Good luck, you can do it.
Same, I actually paused the video when she talked about the self- esteem thing because it just hit so close to home.
"Oh, if you incest."
Such a horrible joke. I love it, lol.
Deception975 I CAME TO THE COMMENTS FOF THIS LOL
@@britneytheunicorn2832 me to xD
@@alivia9735 and if you know of "friendship is witchcraft" the song in the background fits to a t (except the stalkery posesive obsesive side of the song)
Ditto, I actually laughed harder at that joke than I probably should have!😅
You love what, incest??
What I loved was the special relationship between Vanya and #5.
He goes to her first when he needs a sounding board.
Vanya would leave peanut butter and marshmallow sandwiches out at night in case he came home.
The very first thing he does on returning, is make himself a peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich.
Ditto, I liked the understated relationship between Five and Vanya, despite them not interacting much after the first episode. When Five is fighting with Reginald about time travelling, Vanya is the only one to attempt to dissuade him from trying, subtle shaking her head. She also wrote some nice excerpts about him in her autobiography, and Five compliments her on it following his return.
Lastly, when Vanya breaks out of the vault Luther imprisoned her in and embraces her White Violin persona, she has flashbacks to all the times her siblings mistreated her. Five notably isn't present during this sequence.
@@trinaq
Nice catch on the flashbacks, totally missed that.
Me too. I hope we get more flashback scenes between the two!
@@trinaq I noticed that in the flashbacks too. It's another change from the comics, as in that Five said he never liked Vanya. I'm happy they changed it ':D
I wish we had a little more between them after the beginning though
I was born exactly on October 1st, 1989 and I don't know how to feel about this. Where the hell is my super power at?
😂
Guess you gotta beat the heck out of Allison to see if you ever had a power before 💁♂️ Good luck
Try stop taking your pills (but like actually don't do that)
Was your mum pregnant with you that morning? If so then I'm afraid Reginald has no use for you
I'm afraid there's just nothing special about you. You can join forces with Harold.
I like the idea that Five has always been a kind of old man and just decided he was cool with being no 5. Like as a toddler he's like "no thanks Grace. I'll stick with the number."
If I had Allison’s powers, I know I’d be a sociopath, it’s just way too much power that’s so easy to abuse
Honestly same, like someone would have the ruin my vocal cords because I'd make reality my bitch
Ugh I wish I had her powers.
I just go around telling everyone "I heard a rumor your not sexist/racist/homophobic"
Biborka Batki well at least one of us is a good person
@@beetlebub4460 awww thanks
I think it's quite interesting when Allison takes away Vanya's powers when they're kids and when they're adults Vanya takes away Allison's powers
I too follow our dear leader Jim Pickens
Is anyone gunna realize this person is onto something here??
@@alias201 I as well follow Jim Pickens: Our Dear Leader
Is it not her life, or health that Vanya takes away instead? Even so, it was accidental in Vanya's case.
@@allisoncarter7421 seeing as Allison’s powers relies on her voice and she is unable to talk for a year her powers are
taken away and Allison wasn’t at fault when she originally took Vanyas powers away since she was like 4
“She has testingcheatsenabled trued her way to the top” that’s the best way I’ve heard anyone describe anything ever
😂😂😂
Such an elite joke, I love it
lol
I also loved the "world's most warranted case of imposter syndrome" comment.
Ive always felt uneasy with Allison x Luther bc they were literally raised as siblings by the same dad and mom
Literally why don't more people find it weird? The show kind of makes it seem like it's a normal relationship to have.
To me it always felt like we were supposed to find it weird. It's a trauma thing. Growing up they didn't have access to the outside world or anyone outside the "family" and so they only had each other when they started getting those feelings. So naturally they came to focus them on each other. But it was said in S2 that they never even kissed. Idk, I just always got the feeling it was written that way for a reason, because they didn't have the experience and knowledge to know any different when they were younger, and when they were adults Allison had clearly come to kind of realise it was messed up because she'd lived in the real world (to a degree, can you really call it the real world when she used her power to get basically everything?) but Luther still felt that attachment to her because he'd still been isolated having never left home until he was sent to the moon. I think it was actually pretty well done...
@@Dazzlefae Oh! That's actually a really interesting way of looking at it, i've never thought of that!
@@Dazzlefae yes I mean weird as it is the point of it I think is to understand the isolation I think the family felt. Growing up we know they never were really allowed actually connect with anyone outside of the academy, hence the many ways most of the characters are stunted emotionally with relationships both known in friendships and romantically. In the case of Allison and Luther I don’t think it was just a sense of romance but the idea of connection, being seen and heard. The understand they had with each other having powers and that connection of trauma from training/missions/their father- yes it showed itself in puppy love. Yet to me it feels just as how Viktor sees Leonard as a point of validation, Allison and Luther were that for each other. It wasn’t until Allison was able to break out and work on building other connections she stopped needing it from Luther.
I always found it weird because in the later seasons they try to act more like siblings and bond like siblings
I like to think the reason Klaus didn’t immediately react to the gunfire and had to be told by Ben is because he thought he was hearing the guns in his head, because it’s a possibly common occurrence for him to think he’s hearing said gunfire. Or maybe being in the war numbed him to the sound.
Kia Not The Car - I like the “he doesn’t know if it was in his head” idea, though it’d have to be a lot better set up. And war DOES NOT numb people to gunshots. Quite the opposite. Veterans are the most prone to anxiety attacks from a car backfire of any demographic.
@@samwallaceart288 In a way, I agree. But how long had Klaus been back from War at this point? A couple days? And he still never really left the War Zone in a way. He got used to it in Vietnam, but he never got the chance to get used to being out of a War Zone really, so his reaction would make sense really, because in his mind me never left that War Zone.
But it probably was more that he thought it was in his head because of PTSD and all that...
Kia Not The Car like he was numb to it at this point
Too high to freak out, maybe. I don't know if he was sober in that scene.
@@theshamanite He was definitely sober, this is right before the scene where he summons Ben with his full-fledged powers -- he couldn't have been under the influence of drugs if he was be able to do that
I kind of like that Patch doesn't explicitly like Diego. I like to think she really doesn't like him and Diego's love is one-sided, and he can't properly tell when someone loves him back due to his childhood.
that's actually a great interpretation wow
That's my headcanon now
It would've been more understandable if it was shown as a friends relationship than a lover relationship.
@@ayshaalmarar1819 I think the fact that it is a "lover relationship" plays on the theme that the people who are supposed to love him don't, but he always has that one-sided love for them. He thinks that she must still love him because of that history, just as he thinks Mom must love him because of her role in his life despite the fact that she isn't human.
@@Leiloke to expand a little more on that, i can't help but think that Diego's struggle in his relationships with other people extends from his inability of letting go of the feelings he experienced with them. you can see it with his mom - despite knowing that she was programmed to act in a certain manner, that she was affectionate with every one of them, he can't help but think that he is special; he can't let go of the feeling that Grace truly loves him, and he can't understand why his siblings don't feel the same way about her.
this is something that is recurrent in his relationship with Patch, too. she doesn't like him, they broke up, he is annoying - but she loved him once, that has to mean something, right? if he can't stop loving her, she shouldn't be able to either. the fact that she died is actually detrimental for his development as a character, you see, he was able to let go of his mother once he truly understood the extent of her programming, but Patch is dead - she is never coming back, and that leaves Diego in place to just remember her; she isn't there to put him in place, she can't act or talk for herself, no one in Diego's social group knows her, so the only thing left of her is the twisted memory he has of the person she was before she grew up - because he never accepted the person she ended up being. he obsesses, he can't let go of his feelings, he doesn't understand why people don't feel the way he does.
Ben: is that gunfire?
Klaus: * runs into the theatre *
Theatre: * is full of gunfire *
Klaus: * surprised Pikachu meme *
Amy Aberrant my theory is that he’s kind of oddly numb to gunfire
@@salenebrom6476 probably. Also, can gunfires be ghost?
I think he has PTSD from both gunfire and Chacha and maybe Chacha overweighed here
I think he just has Tinnitus from the Battlefields.(Tho yeah he should have acted differently there)
Crowscythe he might think it’s in his head tho
It’s ironic how Diego hated Reginald and wanted to rebel almost as much as Klaus did but he turned out exactly how Reginald intended
As do most of us who work so hard not to be our parents 😅
It's the mark of the balance between past and future: "Yes, but not your way" is the eternal cry of the adolescent
I can ignore Klaus forgetting the guns in the theatre bc he’s shown to hallucinate gunfire in PTSD episodes, it would be easy to say he thought it was in his head. Even when Ben said “do you hear gunfire?” he is immediately distracted by Cha-Cha and it makes sense that he would ignore anything else happening to focus on her.
Also this video is amazing.
Ahhh similar to how in the first episode, when Five first arrives, Klaus asks if anyone else sees “little number Five” or if it’s just him, because he thinks he could be seeing Five’s ghost. Poor Klaus, at this point in his life the lines between what’s real, what’s dead, what’s a flashback and what’s just drug hallucination must be ridiculously blurred.
@@cascharles3838 yes, officer, this person right here is making me cry. tell them to stop.
you heard them, stOp iT.
I agree. Klaus' behavior is never surprising to me. Dude lived through a figurative war zone, then was dropped in a literal war zone.
I love that theory
Granny T idkkk though I think a lot of that is klaus being sarcastic
we should not forget that in the final scene when they stop vanya, everyone is wearing bowling shoes
Yes, I didn't notice that until the second time I watched the finale. It adds some much needed goofiness to a dramatic confrontation!😆
It was so thoughtful that they did that. It shows they actually are paying attention to what's happening in the show and are aware of tiny details.
Ruby Shepherd I didn’t notice that 😂
@MKE ugh no this is painfully correct
@MKE "Allison: " had me dead lmao and Diego's too
I’m pretty sure Diego’s power isn’t just throwing knives with really good accuracy
He can control anything he throws he just really likes knives
He can also breathe underwater, which is why his hero name is The Kraken, but I know they director cut that out of the live action because they wanted to ground it more in reality
KombatKat 117 That’s suspiciously sounds like me...
Director: **Cuts the breathing underwater part of his character **
Diego: *_Hold my Knife-_*
He can control things after he throws them too. He throws a knife at Luther when he thinks Luther is some rando breaking into his room in the boxing place. Before it hits Luther, he curves it away into the wall next to him.
I might have just misread or am misremembering the scene
@@FMAxEdwin I think it may be possible he still can breathe underwater, but it's just situational and not really necessary for his arc so it isn't ever brought up. Especially since Diego's comic powers are VERY disconnected from each other
I like the way that Diego re-writes Patch in his mind. It's just more of his broken mind--he takes the fact that she called him and he makes her a complete girlfriend future that he could have had. That relationship is all in his mind, and it's so sad.
My favourite is Diego, "only i'm allowed to insult my family" hargreeves.
Honestly I watched the show with my dad, and when he saw the scene where Alison rumours her kid into sleeping, my dad just turned to me and said "Yeah, I probably would've done that with you to be honest."
Edit: Happy to see this story being appreciated like 2 1/2 years later lmao
this KILLED me
Shredder 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Children are whinny little shits, who wouldn't?
@@ottovonbismarck4497 whoa man what kind of 11 year old were you!
Yeah I didn't see an issue with that
Fun theory: they’re actually numbered backwards based on how powerful they are. Luthers power is pretty weak, rendering him number one. Just another lie Hargreeves told them
Ohhh that actually makes a lot of sense.
I'm not calling you a liar, but is there a source for that, because it feels like something someone who hates Luther made up.
@@issacalleyne8665 out of the seven of them Luther is technically the least powerful.
You Don't Need To Know Who I Am
No, I’d say Diego is.
@@j2dragon109 I'd say Diego could've been more powerful.
That scene where Grace sewed into her own hand was one of the most heartbreaking moments for me.
"Klaus, if you don't go to your angst corner, you don't get a banana sticker." "I hate you! You're not my final draft."
That made me laugh so hard.
'he's not gonna *hold his breath* indefinetly to wait for his dad to change"
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE, KID.
The thing is she forgot about it when she stalked about his powers.
I think she's only talking about the powers confirmed in the show, we don't know if he can still hold his breath for a long time in the shows portrayal.
Widget fair enough
Kyle Dunne she didn’t forget she said they’re not confirmed in the show version
@@fanofstuff1607 has l0909p
“Small, quick video.”
Over 50 minutes long.
I love it though.
X-Men with more daddy issues and crying is pretty much the best explanation for the Umbrella Academy.
lmfao
Ellen page being in X-men
I'm starting to suspect that between "X Men" and "The Umbrella Academy", Ellen Page is really just a girl with powers in real life!😁🎻🔉
I hadnt even realized it was 50 minutes lmao thanks for making me aware
I have to leave in 15min
hey but it's better than the X-MEN movies those things were terrible
Okay but the Friendship is Witchcraft “Since We’re Not Related It’ll Be Okay” instrumental playing in the background while talking about Allison and Luther’s relationship is just…👌🏽 peak comedy
IT WAS DRIVING ME CRAZY TRYING TO REMEMBER THE SONG! It was so funny to realize why it was such a good choice…
I always took Five's name (or lack thereof) as him rejecting a 'normal' name and choosing to stick with just the number. He wasn't a blind follower like Luther but he did show the most dedication towards advancing his powers.
I agree, Grace clearly named them long before Five went missing. I theorized that he rejected a name because his number defined him, and helped him stand out from everyone else, who all went by their "ordinary" names.
I think on twitter they confirmed "Five" os his name, cause he was a mathematical and strategic genius and so his name was just also number, and he embraced it during surviving the apocalypse
thats why i adore five so much! for me, he isnt dedicated to his father but hes smart and aware enough to realize how much potential his power has
Makes him sound even more like a badass assassin ngl
Hazel and Agnes were so pure. I loved that these two acually happened
They were the cutest! I want a spin-off about those two and their life together. It would be the most wholesome thing
263Adder spoilers
All 20 years
I was *convinced* they were going to kill her before they got to be together. I'm glad they subverted that one.
I want to like this comment, but it has 666 likes, and I don't want to ruin it.
Didn’t know there are a lot of people who find this relationship so endearing. To me personally it’s weird cause of the big age difference. But I understand it better now that’s explained here cause they’ve both experienced things, just differently. Still kinda weird tho.
One really subtle detail I love about Grace’s “death” is that she says the words “Diego, remember...” now this leads the audience to think she is going to say “Remember me” as one final act of humanity, but it could also easily be interpreted as her getting ready to repeat the phrase “Diego, remember what we learned. Picture the word in your head”. This ambiguity lets the audience decide if she’s experiencing remorse or sadness, or whether she is just broken and is repeating the same programmed responses.
You mean broken again? Because she was broken on purpose which is the only reason she was acting like she had dementia.
Actually i was just thinking that she was trying to help like in old times.
this hit me in the feels
I saw it a little bit differently. Even after she reminded Diego he still faltered, so she reached out once more to help him even as she was actively dying. It was like her last breath was an effort to care for her son
@@berkleypearl2363 Yepp thats what had me crying when i watched that scene the first time.
"Diego was caressing the dead body of someone he was nothing but a migraine to" my favorite quote
I think the "I heard a rumor that you love me. " line was definitely said to her husband. You still absolutely have the ability to leave someone even if you do love them. Especially if you see them doing something as horrible as he did.
Jerek Headrick I would love if there was a plot twist in season 2 revealing she said it to Luther.
I've heard of an interpretation that Allison rumoured Luther into loving her as kids. Growing up in a house with an abusive parent, they all formed units or friendships: Diego and Grace, Klaus and Ben, Five and Vanya, and Luther and Allison. It's quite possible that Allison, seeing the close bond between her and Luther, mistook a deep admiration for something stronger, and after she cast her powers, forgot that she had ever rumoured Luther in the first place. I'd like to see Season 2 address this concept, and see how they resolve it.
yeah like she said it to him a while ago and but he assumed she would never use her powers in that way. Then when he saw her use it in the same way on their daughter, he realised what she had done and that's why he was so mad.
Love is something you can fall in and out of, I could see her making her husband love her as she is, and then enough time passes, enough things about her change, he makes enough realizations, falls out of love, and would have to do charmed again to be in love with the modern her.
I was under the impression that Allison's power wasn't necessarily permanent. Vanya does eventually remember when she's triggered to. If someone is rumoured into loving her after not being in or falling out love, it's plausible to think that the fake love might wear off like a love potion who's effects only last until it's out of their system, or broken in the same way that all their fighting would remind them why they weren't in love in the first place. Her kid wasn't sleepy forever, just for that night. I don't know if they give it more depth in the books, but it could be something along the lines of the more plausible it is the less likely someone is able to break out of the spell or something to do with the person she manipulates.
The reason why Vanya was so in love with Leonard was because he was the only one that told her that she was special. Even when her family found out the truth of Leonard, she felt personally attacked because her family tried to take away person that gave her validation.
Plus he technically helped her rediscover her powers, with ulterior motives, but still...I see why she was happy being with him up until she found out the truth.
@Ultimate Untalented Which in and of itself was special, cus leopards are pretty vicious.
@@mynameisreallycool1 mhm because he actually in a way or what she thought He had given her a lot of attention and showed that he actually cared and that she was human and had emotions unlike her family excluding five cuz they were close. For the first time in her life she actually feels at someone genuinely cares for her and loves her and thinks that she is special with or without powers. Only to find out but he was just using her which made her go over the edge since she was already on the edge.
spoilers!
i always thought he was creepy and when vanya finally found out the truth and killed him i was like "wow, good riddance". what an asshole. vanya deserves so much better
@@drankydrank1 😩🤣🤣
this video was so well put together I didn't even realize it was nearly an hour long
[Me who just ended watch the video]
*WAIT WHAT*
bruh moment
Ahhh i love your music,, also,, same lol.
Me neither
Same
for 5's name, i like to think that Reginald told grace to name 6 of them, the 6 that "mattered" to him, and Five gave up his name so grace would name Vanya. Therefore, still got 6 names. He doesnt mind being called 5, so why not. It's implied that 5 and Vanya were close, so it makes sense he would sacrifice that for his friend.
Nah he left before any of them got there names
@mylovleymrbiscuit no they had names bc when five first jumped to the future he yelled VANYA BEN
so they did have names
During the section about Alison and Luther's relationship, there is piano music in the background. It is a cover of a song from the parody series "Friendship is Witchcraft".
The song is called "It'll be OK". The song is about a romantic relationship between a character and her adopted brother.
A part of the song says specifically "Since we're not related it'll be OK".
I heard the music. I recognized the song. I laughed so hard I cried.
I am in love with the attention to detail the author of this video has.
FluffyMind 👏🏻
Well Alabama it doesn't mean ur good to go .....
Is that real? Thats fucken HILARIOUS
This video made me realize that Umbrella Academy gaslighted me into thinking Diego and Patch had an interesting relationship.
oof.
They do. Just if you take a different point of view. I don't think Patch had anything to do with the story they were telling. I think that was about how he see's his "family" and his "father" being translated through his extrafamilial relationships as also being cold, detached, passionless and alone. That's his comfort zone because it's all he knows. So, simply remove every other entity in his "personal story times" with him. It's all he's ever had. Not that he's selfish or a narcissist. There's many different ways of being "self centered". I thought it was all brilliant how they told his story, including Patch... Because think about it.. Really... she didn't matter at all. Just what HE thought about "they".
was Patch the police officer that got shot by cha cha?
Jay Allen yes
i am getting severus snape and lily evans vibes and i want to run far, far away * shudders *
ME TOO
Dolores’s body must hurt from carrying the entire show on her back.
underrated comment
@Minami Uchida well her torso is her body so technically your both right.
How she gonna carry it if she have 1 arm and half a body
@@DracoMalfoy-tf9rm plot polka?
exactlyy dalores is the best character and she is really strong and op too lol
Elliot plays this role perfectly, he made the show even more fun to watch.
Tbh✨
@@charliedear8802 Elliot
@@charliedear8802 you tried
@@charliedear8802 Elliot*
@@shanikamurray4333Wait who tf is Elliot?
I think the characters that least interact are vanya and klaus?? Honestly I can’t think of one conversation they had. They were arguably the most traumatized as children (judging by the flashbacks and scenes we’ve seen in season 1) but they both cope and act very differently, I hope we see more of them as characters interact.
I agree, while most of the siblings at least get SOME moments together, Klaus and Vanya are the only ones who never speak to each other, even when they're sitting right next to each other. The only hint of a relationship we get between the two is when Klaus objects to Vanya being locked up, but then again, so did everyone else. Hopefully, Season 2 will have more interactions between the pair!😀
I don’t get why they even turned out the way they did. Klaus was locked in a dark room for hours forced to hear the screams of the dead. So to make the voices stop he is constantly getting high. Vanya was lied to, disrespected, casted out, and ignored for most of her life. How are either of them functioning people.
@@MykeThaOrphan0209 The point is that they aren't functioning.
Claus spent like, a decade or more perpetually high so he wouldn't hear the dead, and when Vanya discovered how much she was lied to, she lashed out with extreme violence
@@azurehorizonvoid claus lmao
Klaus didn't like when Vanya had been locked up- he tried to make Luther understand by commenting how scared and terrifying it must be for her powers to just come back.
They probably weren't close with eachother because of how similiar they must have been.
Klaus: *says anything remotely sad*
Luther: DAD SENT ME TO THE MooOOoooooOon
to be fair, Luther went through just as much abuse... only his was different because he was simultaneously being manipulated by Hargreaves into being the perfect soldier/getting his siblings on board. his desperation to prove his father cared about him was the reason why he so desperately brought up the moon mission - because if it wasn’t, then why had he risked his life, given up a childhood, stayed emotionally stunted, stayed isolated from his siblings, etc. if there was no point?
@@lainareese5777 Seconded, Luther just wanted his father to love him, and paid the price for being Reggie's favourite child. He brings up the moon in a desperate attempt to prove that he wasn't sent up there for nothing, and to be fair, he doesn't bring it up as often as the fandom would have you believe.
Luther is also so cut off from his siblings that he doesn't realize the extent of how damaging their childhoods were. For instance, he tells Klaus that he wishes that he was happier like him, even though everyone else can tell that Klaus was haunted by ghosts, and turned to drugs to cope with it, even though they don't take him seriously for the most part.
This video: *gives a nuance and detailed description of the abuse and manipulation Luther went through and dissects his character enough to see the complexities of his background and personality*
This fandom: lOl daD sEnT Me tO THe mOon
Reginald: I Love you to the Moon and..well, yeah.
@@lainareese5777 In my opinion Klaus went through the most abuse. Luther was more emotional abuse but Dad also became a tiny bit more sympathetic towards him. But still, he uses that for every excuse which gets really annoying. Klaus was mentally tormented causing him to have a drug problem to feel numb and he acts as if he's ok went he's self-destructing so much, which I think is way worse. Besides, even in death their Dad was disrespectful and disappointed in Klaus. It was kind of sad
I think that big footstep dinosaur sound was put there to let you look how Luther feels, he feels like a monster.
Oh no, that’s so sad🥺
I agree! I also think it’s meant to signify the ‘weight’ of his secret finally being out in the open. You would think that revealing something painful to others would make you feel lighter, but Luther still feels burdened and ‘heavy’ even after they see his form.
oh i thought it was the normal sound of a footstep but slowed down becsuse the moment felt like it was lasting forever for everyone in the room
Yeah also like a deafening moment of what was supposed to be shock, to the siblings, to Luther, as well as us, since they pan to Alison’s face, as though we are Luther caring about how we are viewed specifically through her eyes, and the first time we understand his transformation
Vanya is my favorite character; as someone who struggles with an inferiority complex and chronic depression, I find her extremely relatable, well-written, and perfectly acted. You really get the sense, watching her, that she struggles to find the energy to even smile, that she has no faith in life or herself, and has resigned herself to a state of apathy, rather that fighting a futile battle with the world around her.
At the same time there are hints of happiness, hints that she is trying to make the best of her situation and that she wants to feel better, even if she doesn't know how. She continues to play the violin, she writes a book, she even embraces a romantic relationship, when it would be so much easier just to give up and become a hermit. Depression isn't constant, it isn't just sitting in a dark room crying all the time - there are layers to it, ups and downs both from internal struggles and external influence, and Vanya, to me, perfectly encapsulates what depression looks like, and how it can turn volatile and destructive if left untreated.
Plus, her eyes just looks awesome when she "goes bad".
I mean, they arent related
A romantic relationship which was infested with lies from the very beginning of it
@@tsrenis I was talking about how well written and acted the character was, and how relatable, I (as a person with chronic depression) find her character to be - the events of the plot are not relevant to what I was saying.
@@LadyDoomsinger Ah okay very epic
Other than five, viktor Is my second favourite character because of this.
Growing up as the underdog or the one who always gets left out, I always imagine myself and relive the show as being the character who goes through a similar situation.
That’s why I hate it when people try to say he’s the villain because in my eyes his anger and sadness is completely justified- not to mention hes just unlocked an uncontrollable power that had been rumoured and drugged away for years
Diego's powers are that he can bend the trajectory of any proyectile he throws.
Once you know it you can notice it happening in all of his scenes, but the introduction in the bank robery didn't make it quite clear that those two knives were taking an unnatural trajectory, so he just comes off as being good at throwing knives, which makes it confusing when he does things that shouldn't be possible just by being good.
Oh I thought he could manipulate metal at a small scale but that DOES make a lot more sense
Oh, that's what it was!?
Yes, I came to the comments to write the same.
I'm pretty sure they say it in the show.
It wasn’t clear. But we live in a world filled with super powered characters and I thought it was clear that he had supernatural control of things he throws. Not “of metal” or “of knives” or whatever.
I thought it was that he can hold his breath for an indefinite amount of time???
I have a little theory/headcannon that their numbers are reversed. It was always weird to me how Ben was six when he could sumon a cthulhu and Diego is 2 when all he can do is throw knives. I also think the numbers are used as a way to raise self esteem on those who need it, and keep it down on those who are more powerfull and could be more of a threat.
Idk, makes more sense to me, since Vanya was n7 and I dont think it would be a coincidence that the one lower on the list is the one who gets ignored.
Spoiler! In the comics it’s revealed that the numbers are reversed so that the most powerful had the largest number and the least powerful had the lowest number
@@user-yv8tt9jv4g Aww poor Luther
@@shoshanahenson3433 hahhhaa oh my, poor Luther indeed!
@@user-yv8tt9jv4g how's luther weaker than Diego tho 💀
@@m.k4252 in the show Diego can control the path of any projectile (bullets rockets etc) and in the comics he can hold his breath for presumably forever, that’s why he’s called the kraken,
I interpreted the sound of Luther's footsteps suddenly getting louder different. I thought it was shot from Luther's perspective, from what I remember even the way the camera moved over the faces of the siblings was as if we're seeing through his eyes. That's what Luther hears when he moves, because as much as he doesn't want to say it, he feels like a monster. His foot steps sound more amplified.
Like people who are too self conscious about their weight sometimes wince when they sit on a chair and it creaks, they feel too heavy and uncomfortable in their skin that they think it's loud and everyone can hear it like they can. They don't even notice that when everyone else sits their chairs also creak.
This kinda hit me in the feels
^THIS^
i also think it kinda makes sense that his siblings wouldnt react too much, like, their powers arent fully clear to them either, they wouldnt know wether or not Luther growing so much is weird or not since they don't know how their powers came to be/ why they were born in such a strange way etc
I never even thought that Allison could solve Klaus’ problem with her powers. I suppose that’s why they wrote in a whole DETAILED backstory plot for her about how using her powers has ruined her entire life and so now she refuses to use them. 🙄
pretty much, another possible solution to how OP she is is if the people she's fighting know in advance what her power is. if she has the element of surprise, it's incredibly difficult to defeat her. she's also quite capable in a fight.
I also think the drugs are not Klauss' main problem, not being able to deal with all the dead people talking is.
Not sure if she could rumour that away
@@ApequH Exactly! And because Klaus' power functions like a mental illness, if she completely stripped him of his coping mechanism, he'd probably do some _even more_ insanely self-destructive shit to try and get the voices of the dead to stop terrorizing him, and probably fuck himself up even worse trying.
@@fandomcringebucket also even if she could say rumor it away much like Viktor and the rest of the family or her love rumor, it’s shown that rumors can only work as temporary locks, much like real issues. Klaus having the voices rumored away might solve it but for how long before the vault is open again for Klaus to deal with? Is it expected that Allison would just rumor away the ghosts and voices whenever Klaus had to deal with them again but honestly that sounds even worse + just more trauma for both characters something Allison probably couldn’t handle given the pain rumoring people has done to her mentally as well.
Reginald is a massive idiot in what he made Allison do to Viktor. Instead of making Viktor's emotions and power held back, Reginald could've told Allison to say "I heard a rumor you have perfect control over you emotions and powers". smh. Allison could've said "I heard a rumor you heal from all your trauma and have the best controls over your addiction and power". SMFH.
Everyone had their own little coping mechanism.
Number 1, Luther: Unswerving loyalty, try harder to earn affection, strive to be the best.
Number 2, Diego: Vigilantism, try and make everything he did have worth.
Number 3, Allison: Seek attention in fame, use rumor powers to gain undeserved praise.
Number 4, Klaus: Drugs and other stimuli, dull the senses and hide from.his fears.
Number 5: Emotional support animal, find something that won't judge him and attach his hopes, dreams, and beliefs to it.
Number 7, Vanya: Repression of emotions, leading to emotional stunting.
I was wondering why there wasn't a 6 but then i realized that Ben's coping mechanism is being dead.
really cool bird oml I actually cackled at this.
Ben: ded
Y'all kinda laughing at Ben not being on here bc he's dead but like..
His 'coping mechanism' was likely suicide or purposely putting himself in dangerous situations
Suicide and destructive behaviours are both common responses to abuse and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case for Ben
Diego's power is being able to control objects that are moving through the air, not just inhuman accuracy. In season two, he stops bullets, and moved them.
@SamTheSoviet42 In the comics at least, it is unconfirmed in the show.
Pretty sure this vid came out before season two
So he can control velocity?
@@dynomar11 Still, I always thought that the scene in which Diego throws a knife through the slit in his door at Luther, and the bank heist scene should have done a lot of showing not telling as to how his power works. His knives literally pull 90 degree turns throughout season one and they focus hard on it when he fights.
@@Blueeyesthewarrior Well...not to be that guy but (and I know you wrote this before season two) his power in the comics is actually breathing under water. His knife throwing is just a skill. And in the show, it's made pretty obvious that his knives trajectories are being hard-manipulated and moving contrary to physics, so.
Headcanon about Five's name. Reginald told Grace to name 6 of the kids meaning to leave Vanya nameless. But Five was like "Nah I'm good," so then she named Vanya instead of Five.
Number five your new name is *Drum roll*
VANYA
Five: “No thank you”.
Grace: find then number seven will be Vanya.
@@sahraguya7639 that would make sense considering that Vanya is a boy name in Russia. So maybe Five was the person that was born in the beginning of the pilot?
the comics literally said that five’s name wasn’t spoken for so long that they’d all forgotten it
@@chanelkansuwe4352 That's even sadder
Helena The Vampire Slayer yessss
I think the person Allison hypnotized into loving her was the same person she was talking about when she told Vannya that she knows a thing or two stalkers. It was probably a classic case of you can only bewitch people into obsession not real love. Just a thought 🤔
Like in The Craft! Such a good point. It’s the old, love potion backfire- makes so much sense
Personally, my favorite character is Klaus. He was funny in the first episodes, even though that was mainly because he was always high, but then you get to find out so many things about how his father and his powers affect him that you start to care for him.
Plus, he had great character development as we get to see more of his personality when he's clean and worried about Dave and his siblings.
he's also kinda cute
My favorite thing about klaus is he's the only on screen connection to Reginalds abuse, yes by examining his actions and the characters reactions you know it must have been very bad but the only time the true scope is shown is when he locks Klaus in the mausoleum. And it also shows how his own siblings neglect and ignore him when he says he's been tortured, killed at the rave, and trapped in the Vietnam war they don't believe him or care. Even though we are led to believe they are all empathetic people.
It absolutely breaks my heart how he has to live a life like this because he is a good person. The amount of trauma he has gone through is not acknowledged at all and everyone just takes him for the comical junkie. It breaks my fucking heart
To me the dancing scene where they all dance in their separate room/box was heartbreaking because it was almost a visualisation of the damage their father made: how even when they are so connected through emotions and trauma he has done such an excellent job of alienating and dividing them that they unable to share this moment. It's like a really smart and sad way of showing his horrible legacy.
Absolutely loved your analysis. Instant sub!
lilbitchanair parow “to me”......
Mermaid Monkey also that grace is in fact not dancing was a great way of displaying her place in the umbrella academy and I just felt like it had a big impact on how the viewer sees her
She actually says “I heard a rumour you love me.” to Patrick, yes. That’s how was it in the comics, even though Allison still thinks that what they had was real.
So her husband didnt love her and divorced her due to abuse. Thats why she cant see her daughter. She used her powers on her kid.
But how did he eventually stop loving her though? How did he break the curse?
@@mynameisreallycool1 maybe the influence of rumors don't last forever
@@mynameisreallycool1 I think that Patrick does still love her, but that his love for her is overshadowed by his need to protect his daughter.
Even when getting divorced, people can and do still love each other.
@@mynameisreallycool1
Her rumors probably don’t last forever. When Lila made her not be able to breath she didn’t die, it lasted probably not even a minute before she was good again
Oh my god. I'm just realizing by watching this that Klaus came out of the closet figuratively and literally. I love that tiny detail.
I think the reason 5 is bad at explaining himself and his plans is because of how long he was by himself, without having to explain to anyone in the apocalypse
FACTS
Ikr he literally talked to a mannequin for 40 years, which is funny but also sad because he was so lonely and young when he skipped forward
"Diego is caressing the body of someone he was nothing but a migraine to", damn you're right.
5's actor talked on twitter about why his character doesn't have a name. It's not because 5 left before they all got names, it's because 5 didn't want a name
In the comics its because 5 left before they all got names
it's both
Gerard Way did say that Five embraced his number as a name instead of a rank because to him it doesn't matter.
Yeah because when the kids all go to see Reginald at night Grace calls 'Number Three' Allison, so they must have been named in the TV show before he left. Which is a change from the comics where he left before they were named. I wonder how they'll explain it.
@@263Adder The thing is that, in the comics, Five left when they were younger than ten years old, if I'm not mistaken, so he never got a real name. But in the series, he was already thirteen or something, so they were already named.
I think Ben coaching Klaus is clever because he didn't get to live the life that Klaus is wasting. Klaus can't communicate with the dead while drunk or high either so I think Ben wants Klaus to stop neglecting his power and start embracing it because it can be used like it is in season 2.
I got the sense that Ben just died tragically. It makes the whole dynamic with Klaus work better- like, I'm dead, you're alive, and this is what you do with it?
Hmm I think it can work as well if he did end himself (this sound so bad), then you have the next narrative, live your life to the full extent, don't do what I foolishly did even if life is hard sometimes. It gives a nice message to the viewer and a great character development to Ben as he even if he is dead he regrets doing it and he is trying to lead Klaus to living a better life.
I always got the vibe that along with all of the abuse and the emotional trauma of having dead people talk to you, klaus was jealous of ben. He was abusing drugs and had a general distaste for the normal (like lydia Deetz from beetlejuice) I think it makes a lot of sense canonically that klaus is suicidal/depressed
I think he accidentally killed himself using his powers.
I think any of your siblings dying at an early age counts as tragic
I’ve always thought Ben killed himself, because as a child he always seemed to be the one who actively hated the powers he had, and really didn’t want them. He shows regret more that remourse over his death when he’s talking to klaus about it. Also the plaque on his statue says something like ‘the darkness inside him won’ which sounds like a poetic way to say he killed himself because he hated the powers he had. Idk I could be looking to far into it tho
"Just go with it buddy~"
"Oh, if you inCEST!"
Brilliant
I havent seen anyone say this but that whole sections background music... Its a song about a sister and her adopted brother wanting to get married. Oh and its also a my little pony parody but thats besides the point. The songs called "it'ill be okay" from Friendship is witchcraft
I need this time code
Dr. Jack Bright
29:40
I think the "I heard a rumor that you loved me" was Allison's husband. The impression I got about him was that he knew about her power and he even knew that she had used it on him and that it was the foundation of their relationship... still, he did love her, so he stayed with her. But seeing her do the same thing to his daughter went too far because he might be able to accept that he was manipulated into loving her, but he can't accept the same thing happening to his daughter.
I thought she used it to get him to stay with her so that she could still be with her daughter
Her rumors also don't seem to be permanent. I would imagine she used it on him to get him to lover, but it wore off eventually.
What you said makes a lot of sense but I keep thinking about the comic, where we saw Allison rumour Luther. She only used her power to make Luther kiss her but that still could lead to the “I heard a rumour that you loved me”
I was hoping that the "I heard a rumour you love me" was something she had done in a past relationship when she was slightly younger and more naive - like maybe her early twenties or something. It's terrifying to think she would base a marriage off of mind control 😐 But then again, Allison is only 30 and her child, Claire, is not that young, so she probably _did_ get married in her early twenties (this would have probably broken Luther's heart and would explain why he threw himself into such blind devotion to Reginald even when all his siblings had kong since left)
maybe diego didn’t like the book because it revived his own trauma
and seemed to revive his hero complex as well
Harder to be a vigilante if everyone knows the facts of your life. But I know guys like Diego, they LOVE to be a mystery. They don’t want you to know why they behave the way they do. Being mysterious is easier than overcoming your trauma.
As a guy, the makeup analysis section was an amazing insight into the characters I literally never thought about while watching the show or even noticed
As a girl who never wears makeup, I wholeheartedly agree
@@simmy0019 second this!
I hope in the third season we get more flashbacks to Vanya and five. They seemed close as children, five probably started being close only to piss of their father but then generally enjoyed Hanging out with her. When he left, she left out food for him and kept the lights on while the others didn't. when five was in the apocalypse vanya was the first person he called out to. She was the first person that he told about his experiences and what s going to happen. Also when Vanya was blowing up everything in the house she left fives room untouched.
That last part was something I didn't even notice before.
wow
@@mynameisreallycool1 same.
in the comics, they kinda had something.
@@GrantsGiftShop i thought that was vanya and diego
What I love about UA is that it has some WEIRD stuff in it, but it's all unexplained. They act as if it's normal, so it feels like you're in this magical world that's used to it.
exactly. it's also set in modern times, yet the universe they're in still has older cars and no cell phones.
if you think the show is weird just read the comic. and they STILL don't act like the weird stuff is a big deal. "yeah we're gonna summon a magical ancient being to fight some vietcong vampires. no big deal." "yah a wrestler suplexed a lovecraftian horror"
@@jub4843 The universe doesn't have older things as much as just the mansion does, since sir Hargreeves is quite fond of the devices. Also they've all got a cell, except for Five and Klaus, Five cause he lived through different times, and Klaus because he would've most likely sold his for a few pennies for his drug habits.
Even strangers in the show act like it's not too unusual to see people suddenly phase in and out of existence in front of their eyes.
@@sarafontanini7051 don't forget that Hargreeves is an alien!
I just want to make a small correction, even though I'm sure you've already worked it out from watching season 2: Diego's power isn't inhuman accuracy; he can manipulate projectiles midair. His favorite application is by curving his knives after throwing them, but he can also, say, swerve bullets away from him and his friends. Like a toned down Magneto almost.
When it comes to Five, he chose not to take the name that Grace gave him. Even as a 13 year old, he still had a lot of anger and resentment towards Reginald, due to his being told not to push the limit of his powers. He did get a name. Just chose not to use it.
What was his name?
spacerunner 94 I don’t know that it’s ever revealed even in the comics. It doesn’t really matter, the name he chooses to use is “Five.”
a lot of people speculate that his name will turn out to be frank if he ever goes by it
@@hotspidicey for real?
Synesthetic Ink yeah because people see a lot of similarities between five and someone gerard knows irl. it’s just speculation tho no one that works on tua he said anything
"I don't think Patch loves him. I don't even get an indication that she likes him". Because she doesn't. He was a mistake she made once. She was sexually attracted to a "bad boy" who she later broke up with. Diego's upbringing gave him no adult capacity to form meaningful intimate relationships. He processed their sexual relationship as love and can't let it go.
Andrew Johnson so basically your saying that patch doesn’t love him but for fun.But because of Diego’s upbringing, he wasn’t able to distinguish with true love or fake “fun” love
@@Ben-wq7mi You know, that is a good question. I'm not sure that I could say exactly the nature of their relationship was. However, a common pattern with children of emotional abuse is for them to get into toxic relationships, the healthy pattern realizes that it is toxic, breaks up and tries to move on. The abuse victim, having been given no model of healthy loving relationships clings on, not allowing the other partner to effectively let go. I'm not certain if that is what the screenwriters intended, but that is what I saw when I was watching it.
@@andrewjohnson6716 The only meaningful connection we see him make with anyone outside his family, are with women in both season 1 and 2. Maybe that's because of his bond with Grace?
@@wehhx3x That's a really good point.
Paul Johnson I don’t think Patch loves him, I think she cares but she isn’t in love with the guy. They’re kind of like old friends and Diego really did care about her he just couldn’t really express/show it because he’s like they all say “Emotionally Stunted”
In one scene Cha-cha plainly says that Diego's power is to control anything he throws, and he mostly throws knifes. Yet in every review I've seen for this, the reviewer forgets about that scene and is like "I have no idea what Diego's power is".
The issue seems to be that there was a massive retool between the first episode and the rest of the series, including several of the children’s powers. For example, Allison’s powers seem to involve reality bending early in the show but all we ever see is mind-control. We never see Diego use his throwing powers in any notable way, so I think that was left out or changed.
Yes, Diego can control the angle of any object he throws, particularly knives, and he never misses a target. They cut out his ability to breath underwater from the comics, likely because it would be difficult to shoot underwater. 🔪
That's why I never understood why he came out of cover while throwing the knifes in the bowling alley, if he can bend their course he should be able to stay behind cover and still throw them.
@@trinaq what's weird is because the fact he has such a lame power is WHY he became a badass knife thrower, as compensation and to prove he wasn't useless, in fact I'm not sure if the comcis have shown him using his powers much if at all anyway so it justseems like a pretty arbitrary change
At first, I didn't even think Grace was a bot until they said so. I love her actress so much but I also love Grace as a character.
I seem to remember that Five specifically dismisses getting a "real" name? Like all the kids get named by Grace and Five is just like, "nah, I'm good."
We don't see that specific scene but considering Five's personality and the way Grace says "Five" (i.e., the same way she says the names of all her other children) that's definitely the impression I get.
He did. There's a scene where he says Number 5 is good. Or something to that effect.
@@Orion_TheyThem yep he says he likes the ring to it
i thought he wasn’t there when everyone else got named?
Zahria Spencer nope, I’m pretty sure he just didn’t see the purpose in a name.
in the comics he disappeared when he was 10 (and presumably they got their name not long before that), and returned 20 years after that. according to the comics, his name wasnt spoken for so long that everyone forgot it. hes just referred to as The Boy.
GW said in an interview that “maybe theyll (Luther and Diego) learn the numbers dont matter as five did, which is why I feel he embraced his number as a name instead of a rank and rejected an actual name”
and early last year the TUA twitter asked the fandom what would they name five. of course cuz of frank iero everyone pushed frank thomas and anthony - which i have to say would suit five. nonetheless, the name what best suits him is still five.
soooo all this means is he has an actual name, but he uses five. maybe will learn whats his official name in the next season :D
I like how the time traveller spent 50 years in the future, yet never noticed the moon was missing
I-
I believe the world ended in a different way in the first universe that Five was in during the apocalypse. In that timeline, Vanya didn’t destroy the world from the theater and Harold/Leonard had gotten a fake eye that had been pulled out by Luther.
I think he did, because in the last chapter when he gets to the academy he says "The Moon's is still shining the Earth is in one piece" so like i guess this was almost the same ending, and if not something similar (??)
Yes, it ended in a different way. That's why he found the bodies and the fake eye. They all die fighting in a universe where he never came back, everything change at the moment he did.
Huh I thought it was because of the dust in the air...but the other comments seem more likely
This is a late comment, but I actually like Diego and Patch’s relationship. As someone who grew up with emotionally abusive parents, you tend to cling onto the thought of someone, rather than their actual self. You warp reality to make yourself feel more loved, and I think that that’s what Diego and Patch’s relationship is. Deep down he longs to be loved, and the contrast to the person he said she is and who she actually is, is rather sad. I feel like their relationship *is* one-sided. Patch doesn’t love him, and that scene where he tells her about Grace is made that way for a reason. She doesn’t react like he hoped she would.
But I don’t know, that’s just my take on it.
I feel like that's why he was SO devastated at her death. Of course, he did love her, and so he mourns her, but at the same time, she will never love him back, which is even sadder. Maybe that's why he tries to stick to her ideals, almost as a last-ditch effort to prove his worth to her.
hit hard
That's exactly what I think was happening as well. You beat me to it lol.
Holly 👏🏻👏🏻☝️👏🏻
I love this thought. I grew up with an emotionally abusive mum, so my first relationship was me being emotionally abusive to my girlfriend. My mum always wanted me to be something I wasn't, she wouldn't let me be me, I was her second chance, and if I didn't like that she would get nasty. So I did the same to my girlfriend. I didn't respect her boundaries, I went out with her cause I thought she was a tomboy and I liked that about her, and that's all she was to me. The thought that Diego attached a predefined identity to Patch, and Patch grew out of that is really endearing. All the "you used to like that" sounds less like flirting and more like a child wanting their best friend to be the way they first became friends with them for, not valuing them as a person, and so appreciating who they grew up to be, rather liking one trait about them and when they no longer posses that trait, instead of moving on, you force it back on to them. I think he cried when she died not because he realised she would never love him back, but instead because he now no longer had anything to project that desirable trait on to. His father projected the vigilante trait into him, and he's so mad that that's what he became, that he thinks projecting an ideal onto someone is enough to get them become that.
Again, I love this thought.
the accuracy of "i heard a rumour you loved me" after seeing the third season... freaky
Yes
It’s not often that we see super hero’s from an abusive upbringing. Those story lines are always used for the supervillains. Superhero’s although have tragedy, death of a parent ect they are always blessed with economic wealth, marshal arts expertise, super intelligence and happy upbringings in other ways from other supportive care givers. I’ve never related to the hero’s because Im also from an up-bringing more similar to the villains. Very rarely do we ever get to see a fecked up start for the hero’s. I loved this show so much more for this.
Interesting comment, but disagree with the premise.
Ike Okereke would you like to elaborate?
@@intouchdm
I mean Hulk came from a pretty screwed up family
Mike Morro my comments are mostly focused toward D.C. superhero’s than marvels as I know more about them. Tragic upbringings are reserved (to my knowledge) for supervillains in DC and other comics mostly. I didn’t know about Burse banners father being abusive but still on the whole I stand by my comment.
Mike Morro all of Tony starks bad habits and issues come from the lack of connection with his father while growing up... not exactly abuse but his development as a child was drastically affected by it, leading to his playboy, dangerous lifestyle
I honestly feel like Allison doesn't want to rumor everything because she doesn't wanna mess up her life again, because it happened too many times too her, and like she said, she couldn't take it back.
ok but like people are attacking ur family and you don’t wanna know why?
Thats true but maybe that was her last resort in that situatuon and didnt have time to think about it or really didnt wanna do it.
Sandy Cohen I mean, sure it would make sense. But I think after losing your marriage and your child, possibly all relations to your child because you abused your powers, would make somebody hesitant to use them, no matter the situation. On the other hand, the whole thing with Cha-Cha maybe was Allison proving that she has worth even without her powers.
wait til u watch season two-
The whole scene where Vanya slits Allison's throat, it never really scares me with the gore. It's the whole reaction and acting that gets me. The way she screams and everyone panics makes it very disturbing. The acting in this show is so good 😅
Elliot Page is so incredibly talented. I’m super excited for season 3.
@@Blueeyesthewarrior ikr?! he’s so amazing
I remember watching that seen and hearing Vanya panic, and I just started crying. It was so impactful.
@@aliadrift yeah right! I felt so sorry for Vanya. She never meant to hurt anyone but she got out of control. And still it's not her fault. She's just the kindest, nicest, most sensitive and loving character. She wouldn't even hurt Luther who did so many bad things to her.
@@Blueeyesthewarrior so true omfg i love him sm he’s such a good actor
Vanya was basically an innocent girl turned into a monster by her siblings and father. They all alienated her, mistreated her, neglected her and had the galls to blame her for her problems they themselves caused, especially Reginald, Luther and Allison. They all act like she is the freak, when they were the ones who are freaks and no surprise, Vanya turned into a killer. That's why you never abuse children and gaslight them into hating themselves, you get Vanya as a result.
Except for all the poor nannies he murdered as a child for trying to get him to eat breakfast. That was pre Allison rumouring him, so . . .
But they were taught to hate her
I will never understand UA-cam recommendations but every now and then it knows exactly what I want. Long critical video analysis on media I am fond of.
Yep, this is literally me.
Just go with the flow, bud. Just go with the flow
Just an explanation: Diego's super power is his inhuman hand-eye coordination. It's not just the knives. His ability to climb buildings and slip in through windows etc, is all part of it. The knives are just the primary expression.
I didnt get that at all, his power is telekinesis but it isn't very strong, he can only use it on small medium speed objects, hence why he can bend the curve of a knife through the air but couldn't do it with a bullet, hence why he doesn't use guns and bend bullets. They all recieved combat training.
@@Mikimarux this is (AFAIK) only truly apparent in the second series.
@@BrentHollett he bends knives through the air many times in the first series. Thats not possible without telekinesis, i always thought he was similar to the main character in the Wanted comic book who bends bullets with telekinesis (the film changed it) I can see how someone could miss it though.
@@Mikimarux in both this show and the Wanted movie, telekinesis wasn't mentioned (though it's clear in the final episode of the 2nd Umbrella season.)
This comment was posted before that aired.
@@BrentHollett yeah, I mentioned that, it was in the Wanted comic book, not the movie as I said. Rewatch season one of umbrella academy, he throws knives and they turn 90 degrees in the air on a dime, multiple times. Some things don't need to be outright stated to be inferred. I'm pretty sure no one said that Luther has super strength but that's inferred by his actions.
“He’s a strong independent vigilante and he doesn’t need to daddy”
That literally killed me.
No*
Five: “I’m the daddy here!”
@@Liliwillomsm Or to daddy. I don't think Diego needs fatherhood at this time.
@@Evasroses6543 that's what I sai-? What?
@@Liliwillomsm You corrected the OP to make it "needs no daddy" which means Diego doesn't need a father figure. But OP's statement of "need to daddy" implies that Diego doesn't need to BE a father.
Speaking of none of the siblings understanding how to talk to Vanya, I'm reminded of some of the best character development in Season 2. Luther believes he is at least equally responsible, and probably more responsible for the Apocalypse than Vanya, despite the fact that Vanya was literally the one who did it. He gave up on her because he trusted his dad's judgement that Vanya's powers were too dangerous to allow her any freedom. And instead of treating her like a human he treated her like a mission, one where he had to be in charge and make all the calls to prove how special and awesome he is. He completely ignored Allison trying to reach out to Vanya, when if anyone, Allison should have wanted her dead or imprisoned the most. In Season 2 he understands all of this, and seems to actively despise himself for his actions.
Honestly grace’s scenes are all so heartbreaking. One that comes to mind is when Diego is sitting with her right before he puts her down. She says something about one of the women and one of the landscapes, and Diego realizes that her whole life was that house and those children, except for those paintings, which i believe were a tiny bit of defiance towards Reginald. That one thing about her that he couldn’t control. That one bit of humanity. When she is rebooted(?) by pogo, we can see that defiance mutate into something more: She isn’t quite sentient, but she is human. More human than she ever was.
One thing that's not entirely clear is if she originally *used* to be like that before they modified her to be unable to save Reginald. It seems like maybe that broke her.
Omg this makes so much sense. When she was re booted by pogo he asked her “do you remember what happened?” And she said yes !! So maybe what happened was she got re booted into her non-robot self and was human again back to when she was pogos mom in season two and that’s why she was acting all weird towards the end and stuff...
@@sleeves_aregreat7857 ikr, i think real Dr Grace died and then Regie made her replica in her memory and for children
y'all couldn't Allison make Reginald a good dad? like couldn't she say "I heard a rumor you are a good father" ?
hi hungry I'm rat Don't you see Rat? In Reginald's mind he IS a good father.
I think they're saving that for season two.
To not give too much away, he would have been able to see through the use of her power.
He is too smart for that and she was probably scared of him.
she probably either didn’t think she could, or she couldn’t. people’s definition of good parenting are different and like @Enuma Elish said, what he was doing could’ve been what he considered good parenting.
I want someone to re-write the scene when Ben hears gunfire, but instead of running in Ben has to calm Klaus down because he starts freaking out bc gun fire *and* chacha would be ALOT to deal with at once for him.
Abby Werner yesss
Considering this show had a scene with him having a Vietnam flashback at a rave, I'm surprised that the writers forgot about Klaus' more probable reaction to hearing gunfire.