Jorge why lol I be on that too I need monies ..every one does. Smh if you on it n I came across your name tag and what you do i maybe but you off with monies. Why not helping out isn't nothing too be made fun at.
Nemo TheEight speaking of that ... remember season 1 when Archie had a thing going on with his teacher😂 and now that seems soooo harmless compared to where the show has gotten
miso no teenager talks with so many references and adjectives also no teenager wears those fucking clothes Veronica what is up with you boo???she looks like a trophy wife
It would have been so much less cringey if they hadn’t erased his asexuality. (I mean, don’t get me wrong, “so much less cringey” still would have meant PLENTY of cringe. That scene had spare cringe for days, no doubt no doubt. BUT. Jus’ sayin’, would have at least made a little more sense if he was still asexual.)
In case you haven’t noticed, I'm weird. I’m a weirdo. I don't fit in. And I don't want to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on? That's weird.
There's actually something to the "I'm a weirdo" scene that I think gets ignored, and it's that Betty throws him a birthday party even though she knows he associates his birthday with his terrible childhood and would prefer something low-key. What he's trying to say actually has merit-- he doesn't need lots of friends or popularity and doesn't need to fit in because he's okay with who he is, and it's insensitive of her to try to change that. But it's written horribly, so it gets brushed off as him being a wannabe edgy teenager.
Yeah when I saw the scene the first time I really liked it, and it’s only funny out of context. It’s their first big fight and you really feel that there’s some insurmountable differences between them. But then you watch them surmount them lol it was actually one of the better scenes that connected to the rest of their arc but it gets mocked for being kind of cringe.
the milkshakes were actually yogurt to make it look a lot thicker. the actors said it was disgusting, so i don’t blame them for leaving untouched milkshakes💀
I collect the old Archie comics and I even have a few of the Betty's Diary comics as well And let me tell you. They haven't, they completely ignored what made the comics so great. They just though of well If we say it's apart of the Archie and friends maybe more people will watch it. Which is really sad.
The biggest Riverdale rumor is that all of this is just a series of novels that Jughead is writing. That would explain almost everything addressed here.
I keep on hearing this but are they talking about the Jughead in the comics writing it? If so that doesn't really make sense he would never write anything so horny and romance filled.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick It’s hard to claim that this show is based on the comics, though. None of the characters even remotely resemble their comic selves.
They problem isn't that they look like adults (which a lot of teenagers can pass as adults, and everyone matures differently), it's that they are constantly thrown into adult situations, without their age having any relevance. This show could work the exact same way with adult characters.
YES. Season one was actually kinda good because the teens acted more like teens that matured through traumatic circumstances. They also got the police involved when bad things happened (which was such a breath of fresh air from the whole Pretty Little Liar drama), but of course they totally ditched that in season two because reasons... But in the rest of the seasons, they all just act like adults. There's not even classroom shots with teachers or mention of homework or school projects (just PROM or random "school-like" events). The best we see of school is their hang out room and the hallways. They do sexualize teenagers (especially with that whole Mad World pole dance with Betty.) AND Veronica has this weird side business like an actual adult. What 16-17 year old could seriously RUN a restaurant and LEGALLY sell alcohol? (And not get caught.) (Side note: Some teens might be capable, but most don't have the time with school and other commitments [for ex. Veronica is on cheer squad].) And it wasn't even the best keep secret either. Like apparently in season 4 she sells RUM. She's not even of legal age to DRINK let a lone sell. Sigh... Honestly, they could have just been seniors in the first season and started college in the rest of the seasons because that's what it feels like. (Though there would have been A LOT more paper writing and test cramming in there, so yeah).
Dude they disappear from their homes a day, two days, they go a weekend to a lake house and their parents really really don't care. They're totally chill with teen sex and why not? They stop murderers.
Jughead doesn't even need to be called Jughead. His name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones III. That's a badass name, but Jughead is like "oh I'm moody and my name is jughead now"
In the acutal comics, his name was that. But jughead used to be a snobby rich kid. His parents invested in a water company called Purejug, but instead they went bankrupt. So when he became poor people started calling him 'jughead' just to make fun of him. It's just a nickname that kind of stuck on him. (The comics are really good btw)
@@sai-ct2jh its even weirder to think about how much jughead HATES his name since in the 2015 reboot (which the show is inspired by/based off of), he has a whole SCENE dedicated to him explaining that he basically reclaimed the jughead nickname WHY CANT THIS SHOW JUST *OWN IT?* JUGHEAD IS A COOL NICKNAME GUYS.
@@sai-ct2jh Be careful with that, his name is "revealed" on multiple occasions, the very first time it's actually a lie. He bribes his aunt to call him "steve" so that everyone thinks they have the real name and stop bugging him about it. There's also one comic in which a school teacher calls him by his given name (Forsythe), which has the knockon effect of revealing that the name itself has semi-hypnotic properties that compel women to throw themselves at him with heart-throbbing affection.
In the comics, Archie acts like an *actual* teenager. Like, he has two girls who are constantly vying for his attention, but also he's super awkward and clumsy, plus, he is most definitely *not* the best at football lol.
Exactly!, the TV show Happy Days was a fairly accurate illustration of the original Archie comics. Riverdale has nothing in common with the comics except some character names. Riverdale is the usual cringey CW 'adult themes played as teen angst' motif that really belongs in traditional soap operas.
Panypo And see, that could’ve been an actual good storyline. Like tackling the fact that men can, and often are, victims of predatory women like that. I wish they’d gone more into detail about her, their relationship, and actually developed Archie realizing that she was a manipulating toxic cuntbag. It could’ve been SO good, but instead they just randomly send her off and kill her semi-offscreen.
@@katie5998 can someone explain to me how it was even crucial to the plotline at all bc they "were in the woods" at the time but it literally doesnt even matter to the story at all. They get càaught halfway thru the season and it doesnt add to the story at all Help
chaotic_gabby I think what they were trying to do was mislead the viewer. That was the point of them being in the woods. Otherwise, it’s completely pointless. They could’ve had a character plot line for Archie and his growth as a character & developing into someone whose more musically inclined, but then he turned into a football dweeb and it killed kt
You summarize the show entirely. In fact you've actually summarized why Tumblr specifically is obsessed with the show, it's basically they're stupid aesthetic posts personified into an actual show, the real irony of it all is that they purposely choose to ignore the acting and writing
Archie went from: • Being g*oomed by a teacher • Wanting to be a guitarist • Nearly being murdered •Running away from his girlfriend's mafia father • Almost dying like three times • Going to jail and making a gang • Going to war
The reason Jughead wears a crown was because at the time Archie was created, it was common for fathers to give their sons their old and worn out hats (fedoras and bowlers and etc) and the kids would turn them inside out, put pins and buttons on them, and cut the brim so they had that spikey pattern. Jughead's crown was originally that. The comic went on so long that it would eventually hire artists who had no idea that was a thing thought it was a crown, so it became a crown.
The thing that's annoying is that he talks about it like its some qUIrKy aesthetic plague that's been tossed onto him that makes him WEIRD and NoT LikE ThE OtHeR BoYS--when the comic jughead would've probably been like 'hell yeah, this is my hat lol'.
Your point about Jughead Jones having to wear the hat when the writers so clearly don’t like it makes me think that it’d be amazing to have a show that’s Riverdale-esque but all the characters are being forced into habits they can’t really choose, with a mysterious force guiding them into these roles and stereotypes beyond their control that they’re constantly trying to struggle against in this Lovecraftian facade of a teen drama.
That’s the plot of a fanfiction I read long ago and let me tell you, I’m not even in that fandom anymore but I still have the link saved in my notes so that I can reread it
@Eddie at The LMV I'm not sure it was even that meaningful. Iirc the school wanted Jughead to stop wearing his gang jacket at school (which, tbh, is a pretty fair thing to ask) so he replies that a serpent never sheds it's skin
As a cobra myself, here's a much better metaphor "Snakes always shed their skin." It means that a dangerous and clever perople are difficult to predict.
I don't understand why they couldn't just make the premise in a college instead of high school. They literally ONLY casted older people is because they're sexualizing the characters.
I thought the same thing. I feel like they will have much more freedom if its collage based but for some reason if the popular thing to have a high school setting
I say this every time I watch this show. -They can dress however they want -the actors are at the right age to be in college -They clearly do not have the normal 8am-3pm schedule cause they are always doing something random in the middle of the day, so it would make sense since no one has the same schedule in college -They have lounge areas Like, seriously, they wouldn't have to change anything.
writers: tries to sell Archie as a sweet character Archie: Is a cheater, was in a relationship with a teacher, held someone at gunpoint, starts a fascist gang P.S.riverdale is like twilight if it was a series, more chaotic, and wasn't written by a mormon
To play Riverdale’s advocate I think the teacher relationship wasn’t on him as relationships like hey almost always have a power dynamo in the teacher’s favor. And no offense to Archie but there was a reason he isn’t the brightest guy.
@@IncensedAgitator he actually starts 2. Also he joins a biker gang, is forced to join an illegal inmate boxing ring, fights a bear, a dude dressed as a bear, commits arson at least once and become a a mafia boss' right hand man. This is the same character whose main conflict in s1 was a rip-off of Troy Bolton from high school musical and Finn Hudson from glee.
Worse. It was someone in the 40s trying to recreate their high school from the 20s, which lasted well into the 60s such that it sanded out much of the generational divide, was considered an alien landscape all it's own in the 80s, and somehow retained some impact into the culture of the 2000s. It's like ... trying to recreate the recreation of the almost not-quite recreation of the fake recreation of the genuine recreation of the actual high school society that was once real but now feels ridiculous.
Yea. Highschool is memes and grades not sex and crime. At most youll have someone say they had sex with someone outside of school that you never met and never will
This show is insane but I gotta admit that scene with Archie punching the ice is great. His character should be like the friendly giant, he protects and does things the most simple way. Great commentary.
Very, I watched the very first scene (With the red car and the red-head twins etc) With a friend who'd watched the whole series and thought the show was setting itself up to be a beautiful artistic visual feast. I watched 5 minutes more and died from cringing at the writing. (Doesn't mean I'm not hooked, though)
It’s the kind of show you have to leave on in the background or turn your brain off to truly enjoy, but you could just leave it on and laugh your ass off at what crazy bullshit they conjure up next like I do
So interesting fact, Jughead actually wears what's called a "Whoopee Cap," which is a type of hat once common among both youths and mechanics. It got popular around the time men started wearing fedoras, being fairly easy to modify from a fedora, because it was still considered polite for men to wear a hat when outside.The snapback baseball cap wouldn't gain prominence until the 1970s and the bowler had become somewhat more expensive and 'formal,' the options left were the beanie or making a hat of your own. Beanies, however, were often associated with college students, and in an area with a prominent town/college divide, a 'town' type wouldn't want to copy college fashion. On top of that, the cheapest beanies were typically made of canvas, which can grow stiff when dirty, and would usually come only in light colors. A fedora offered a more varied color selection, however, meaning that the dirt could be more easily hidden. So, workmen would purchase brown, black, or grey fedoras and cut off the brims. The fact that these modifications were typically made by the workmen themselves with scissors rather than the merchant (or their wives) meant the brim would typically turn out jagged. Rather than trying to even that out, the men who made Whoopee Hats began to lean into it, cutting the edge of the brim off first and them using triangle cuts to finish rather than trying to be even. i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/fc/33/9dfc3325d414640b1f8459cc718db557.jpg The style would be copied by the workmen's sons, who (Not having the same practical need) would cut the brims higher on the brim and more deeply into it. However, this meant the brim would often flop, which would necessitate securing the brim with thread (if mom would help) or a pin or button (if she wouldn't.) This lead to the buttons themselves becoming accessories, somewhat like buttons and pin on a person's bag or backpack today (or maybe last decade)? Which would lead to the more ostentatious 'crown'-style whoopees shown here. mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:400/h:244/q:75/bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/whoopee.jpg However, with the continued rise in the popularity of baseball, fall in the popularity of the beanie on college campuses, and more intentionally transgressive youth cultures such as greasers, beatniks, and others, the whoopee hat died out after around the 1950s... Which is not too long after the Archie comic series began. With the characters having always been exaggerated and the original style being mimicked in the design pretty much gone from the artist's consciousness, Jughead's whoopee hat would grow larger. While it grew, it was still largely recognizably a whoopee hat to someone who knew what they were looking for right up until about the '70s or '80s. In the '70s and '80s, the fast-food company Burger King began to distribute paper crowns. Because of the crown's popularity and tie to Jughead's primary fixation (food,) once that was introduced the hat would be drawn pretty much just int he style of a crown, at times even getting flares and similar ornamentation impossible in felt in some more detailed images.
Very interesting, I kind of remembered a few pictures from my youth so I always knew that jughead's hat was some kind of style. Interestingly Jughead's crown beenie from the show to me seems like a very accurate update of the original style.
MB yea they make them act so grown and nothing like actual high schoolers it’s so annoying and ruins the whole effect. And these type of shows always insist on using a high school setting but want to completely remove it from reality it’s laughable really
Also in the comics, Kevin was NOT the gay best friend trope. Kevin was on the football team, a good friend of Archie and Reggie, and had a lot of character development before he came out. The Riverdale writers were the ones that scratched his original character to make him the gay best trope and still haven’t given him a good story arc for four seasons. I’ve considered making a video on how much they did Kevin dirty Update: I’ll make the video for y’all
Look the archie comics get weird. There is literally a issue where predator kills them all and one where a zombie apocalypse happens but somehow this show achieves being MORE RIDICULOUS than both of those issues 😂😂
@@somedragonbastard true but that's what's so confusing. There are times where they are self aware with how crazy this show is but then the next episode they wanna be all serious and take the show seriously and it's just like pick one!!
The thing that bothers me most is that Archie comics are generally pretty wholesome. There are darker storylines but the characters are always consistent. You can do dark gritty Archie stories without being this mess.
@@ninarances9074 At least in the "future possibilities" comics it deals a lot with death, grief, monopoly, being heartbroken, and is overall pretty dark. It's possible its the exception, and I did read it quite a while back, but from what I remember it was kinda heartbreaking to read because these are such happy characters
I remember a story where Betty was kidnapped by the son of Mr. Lodge's rival (he saw her walking out of the Lodge mansion and thought she was Veronica), and held hostage while the abductor sent a fake letter to the Coopers saying she ran away to join a commune (this story ran in the early 70s, I think). Another story where Jughead pushes Archie out of the way of a runaway truck and gets hit in the head by a box that fell off the truck and almost dies. A bittersweet story that ran in the 90s where Jughead meets a homeless man who was a big band drummer and let's him drum with the Archies, when he goes back to see him on the streets, he finds out the man died. Another story that was part of a kid-friendly homage to 1984 where Reggie's dad was put into jail for talking about the military at Mr. Lodge's factory in his newspaper. Reggie manages to free his dad by blackmailing the judge working the case after the judge is caught in a compromising position with a secretary.
I've never seen Riverdale and every time I hear a plot point it sounds like a joke. "Archie fights a bear" "There's a D&D cult" "The rapture happens" "Archie starts a gang of fascist vigilantes"
“Betty and Veronica were forced to drink slow acting poison and Archie is getting shivved in prison while fighting bears.” Me *who stopped watching halfway through season 2* : Excuse I??
lmao oh yeah it got crazy dramatic in season 3. it was also shot and filmed amazingly well imo so it makes you feel like ripping your hair out when you realise it really is only the writing that drags down the entire show
@@yugandharjanardhan6466 eh maybe. I was thinking of a specific scene in season 3 that actually was done really really well, so I may be a bit biased there :)
Season 3 they attempt to ripoff other movies. Silence of the lambs, Heather's, and more I cant remember off the top of my head. They took plots from good movies and fit each one into an episode. Even stranger things! They play "griffins and gargoyles " (DnD)
absolutely FURIOUS that they completely wiped out Jugheads sexuality. If you need another example of this shows obbsession with oversexualization of every character- Jughead is CONFIRMED, COMES OUT IN THE COMICS as Asexual, and the show completely wiped that
Never read the comics or even watched the series, but for what I read from various comments Jughead's sexuality was defined in the comics after the series was already sexualizing him.
@@JesterQueenAnne well, same boat but also from what I have seen there were things even before that people could easily interpret as him being asexual, so the comics more or less just made it canon eventually. In any case, the show's version of hin seems to barely even resemble Jughead which is probably what most people would be pissed about.
@@fieratheproud someone not being interested in having a relationship being interpreted as ace/aro is such a stretch. But anyway, yeah, the character in the series having nothing to do with the original is really the problem.
@Dzimas whatever man i am not looking for realism everywhere. my concern is how unconvincing these actors are as high schoolers and how troublingly often they are sexualised. problems which would fix themselves if they were just older on the show
Riverdale is weird. It's a weirdo. It doesn't make sense and doesn't want to make sense. Have you ever seen one episode without that bad writting ? That's weird.
I'm just surprised that Cheryl's almost incestuous love for her brother wasn't a bigger talking point. *SPOILERS* Especially the part where she simiforces Archie into a relationship with her through bribes and was established a few episodes earlier how similar he looks to her brother and how even her mother sees the resemblance
@@justsomegirlwithoutamustacheHis dad, Forsythe Pendleton Jones Jr., goes by F.P. That option was literally placed right in his lap, and he was like "nah, let's use this nickname that I can tell is derogatory even though I'm not even sure what it means."
Riverdale did have potential, but a combination of peculiar themes, bad dialogue, and constant retconning and plot holes really just screw the whole thing over. It's based off a campy comic about a guy and his friends in high school. If it just had bad dialogue, or just had plot holes, or just had questionable themes, then it'd be alright, but all of those things put together plus the material that it is based off combine to make it "cringey."
sonqbiird agreed, I really like the show but I hate it why? See when I’m watching, I try to make it better some way. I hate it’s bad dialogue and it has to have is DRAMA. I agree with you completely!
My problem with Riverdale is that I can’t put it down. It’s terrible writing, but the minute I’m ready to leave, they give me some amazing amazing scene. Or cleverly filmed, or uniquely written. I then stick around for 200 other bullshit scenes in the hope another comes around. Riverdale has had so many new seasons to change their writing, to improve and yet-they haven’t. I really thought the authors had an okay start and would get better but it only seems to get worse.
"dark betty" is 100% something I would have written as a younger teen in the early 2010's to post on deviantart or tumblr and it gives me so much secondhand embarrassment
I also love the way the wig is framed as a big deal. "Is it true, Betty? Is it true you WEAR A WIG while you have kinky and possibly dissociative sex? HOW CAN YOU WEAR A WIG?"
Cheryl's character is so frustrating bc she's probably had the most shit happen to her and thus the most potential: Murdered brother, guilt over helping him run away, murderer father, father killed by mother, emotional abuse, conversion therapy, attempted rape, attempted suicide, nearly killed by the Black Hood, and having no really friends other than her relationships with Betty Veronica Jughead and Archie. Even one or two of those things could make a really interesting character but Cheryl is never allowed to grow and develop.
Say it louder for the people in the back ugh I want more grueling character development and not just a bunch of insane horror elements being thrown in every season
Even almost getting killed for being awful didn't help her develop smh. I'm not a writing expert but even I can tell that there's a major flaw in this show's writing.
Jughead doesn't even need to be called Jughead. His name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones III. That's a badass name, but Jughead is like "oh I'm moody and my name is jughead now"
This show feels like it was written by a child, who has yet to be a teenager, and an adult, who was in a coma through their teenager years, and they've joined together to write a story about what they think being. "teen" is. 😑
I remember when my brother saw the trailer and told me that Archie was a miner. I lost it bro. Turns out he was actually a soldier having a war on the high school football field but that’s just as funny to me.
Betty: I think I'm crazy Jughead: My father may be a murder Veronica: My dad won't stop hunting down my friends Archie: BUT DAD I DON'T WANNA PLAY FOOTBALL I WANNA SING AND DANCE!
Kurucz Hanna the fact that they’re high schoolers is super weird to me, high schoolers just don’t look like fully developed mid twenty year olds. If they were college kids I might understand the unrealistic standards a bit more
It’s a legitimate - albeit uncommon - surname. Forsythe. Proper noun. A Scottish & Northern Irish surname from the Gaelic Fearsithe meaning "man of peace". *Though Forsythe is this Jughead’s forename (not surname) - nominative determinism could be a thing.
it's written as forsythe on his records + he's referred to as forsythe a few times in later seasons, they just never said it out loud until season 2 and i guess most people around him would know him as jughead instead. there's a kid who's been in my class for years with the surname sullivan who's been referred to as "sully" for as long as i've known him, even by the teachers, so i was genuinely confused when i heard his first name, yknow? it happens.
i always thought that the nickname was forced on him but the writers genuinely thinking “jughead jones” is legitimately what’s written on his birth certificate is honestly more likely
@@pogchamp5276 in the comics, for a while there was a bit of a gag with him having a girlfriend because she made good food. And that was it. Though afterwards they just said he was aromantic and asexual and never brought up any romantic relationships ever again for him, and it's his defining trait, plus the crown. Although I've never read the comics, so I'm sort of basing it off of other comments. But yeah, as an ace myself, gib representation Hollywood
@@lutrinae_yt I haven't read much of the comics either, but I was reading the Archie Comics Fandom Wiki and it says how he married Midge and have a child with her, and he used to have three girlfriends in the past. So that makes me confused.
Apollo9898LPs they want diversity points without really doing anything. So many shows do that. They include a gay character just because they feel they need to them just write them horribly or side line them, until they need to remind the audiences there is in fact a gay character. They gay character falls into being a. Stereotypical b. Comic relief c. Tragic (the tragedy being centered around the fact that they’re gay) or a mixture of all three.
@@nobodysXghost Yeah... Too bad Kevin's character was reduced to "Lonely Gay Best Friend", and Jughead, who actually DIDN'T have or want any romance, because he was asexual, was turned into a sexually active straight guy...
i had to stop watching after archie said that he didnt kill anyone, but he should go to jail because he "could have"... like my dude, my man, thats not how crime works. im not about to hand myself over to the police because i went into a museum and thought "oh wow i could just take that painting off the wall if i wanted to".
@@EMEM663 But they should have STOPPED him! That’s their responsibility! Additionally, maybe he shouldn’t have had ACTUAL ICE to punch! There were a million different movie magic ways to do that that couldn’t possibly end in injury!
as an archie "fan" meaning I just read it when I was a kid. this is the weirdest shit. "all the nice references they make" I noticed none of them were actually references to ARCHIE.
The comics are just a super sweet high school comic. There is literally no drama. I was so excited when they said that they were adapting it to a live action and then....*this* happened. Absolutely destroyed it.
I feel like the writers think a sweet high school comic like the Archie Comics, needs to have some conflict or mature stuff necessary. And I'm like ".....Why? Just keep it the way it is!"
@@kouusa Some say the Sabrina live action fits because it involves a witch, and therefore, dark magic should be involved (and people also mentioned about a comic that would make sense for the live action. I don't know much about the comics, but there's one that involves a teenage Sabrina????)
@@ninarances9074 Sabrina was actually good at first but then it was slowly turning like riverdale (too much sexual stuff, musical singing, cringy references etc.) :/
Lets be honest at best the only drama parts in archie happen every other 15 fucking years if not more And even then that gets rewritten 2 weeks later Now imagine making 6 seasons of that... Still better than this horse shit we call a "show"
I just saw a comment that said “riverdale is written by wattpad authors” or something like that but let’s be honest... the majority of wattpad stories are better than Riverdale.
I saw a theory that the whole show is just Jughead’s poorly written self insert book. The way that they keep adding more and more things that make so sense make me feel like it’s true.
I watched several of them and I can confirm. Lily clearly wants to quit the show, others too lmao. I wouldn't say that about Cole though, just like in pretty much any interview ever he is goofy, stupid and fun in Riverdale interviews aswell. I guess he just likes to mess around. Can't say he doesn't want to quit tho, he probably does.
@@mhm77887 In an interview, he admitted he felt icky going with the show's drastic changes (I think he used the word "butchered" or something) to the source material as he is a fan of the Archie comic himself. He probably laughs at the show everytime but this was his way back in showbiz, I guess.
*" Who's gonna get sucked into a cult and have his organ harvested? There's our boy!"* This line is so funny to me because just how absurd it sounds next to all the other exemples.
Honestly they kinda have to try their best.. For some this was their first big and major role (Camila Mendes for example) For others its kind of their breakout role they want to keep going since... well it gets them paid (And the reruns paid for them too) the one I could think of that helps his career the most is Cole Sprouse, since its really hard for Disney stars to climb out of the void that becomes Disney (especially if they aren't singers who can net a few hits like Miley Cyrus, and Selena Gomez... not that I particularly like their music)
I mean they’re directed to act that way. So I don’t know if it has anything to do with trying. They’re clearly aware that the show is ridiculous and they probably almost die from cringe when reading the scripts. They get paid and fame, that’s all that matters. At least they’re getting paid
I will admit, I don't like that they sexualized Jughead. Jughead shows ZERO interest in girls in the comics. Any time a girl comes after him, he shows infinite more interest in food. And I know this because when I was 10 I had a whole stack of Jughead comics. The hat is cute though.
yeah, a lot of people are bringing up that while Jughead is canonically aroace in the new comic run, it was made after Riverdale was already planned, but that doesn't mean it's not weird
I genuinely think that Riverdale is like what happens when a showrunner made a My Immortal style fanfiction in their youth and had the thing professionally backed.
Daniella Fonseca That was the point I hoped to make! Representation is one thing, but if you just stand around and fill a quota, how much more than tokenism is that really?
My issue with Kevin is that he’s there so that the riverdale team can say “HEY LOOK WE HAVE A GAY CHARACTER LOOK WE ARE SO SUPPORTIVE AND WOKE. DO YOU SEE IT. DO YOU SEE THE CHARACTER. DO YOU. DO YOU!?” But once they never had any more idea than that. And so he’s so half assed as a character because of it.
Worst part is Kevin actually has an actual, non stereotypical character in the comics while still being gay. Meaning they *downgraded* his character into a stereotype
@Tum Tum this. When I found out that Jughead was actually asexual but deliberately ignored in the tv adaptation I know I'm never gonna watch it. One obvious representation just for representation, and the other being ignored because either a) they don't really believe asexuality is a thing (which is still a huge problem sadly) and/or b) they want sexy times because good shows have sex or something.
Thank you at this point Kevin should just be killed off because there's no plot unlike Cheryl and Toni where it actually makes sense to have the both of them
Yeah, I mean: One discovers their family is composed by undercover incestuous fascists Another finds out her whole family has been torn apart by a cult that they to this day thinks will protect them The other is unfairly put in jail as a scapegoat so the homicide doesn't get in the hands of the mayor that's secretly working on a high level conspiracy, whose daughter is trying to stop by raising in power and influence to then boycott him. Then you have that guy that's gay for the police officer's son...oh yeah and he helps the others with their things... Sometimes
It always felt like the script was written by some 50-something year old that was exasperated with their teen and taking their frustration out. Like, "And then they would do this selfish thing, because they're an unaware, self-important BRAT." [violent keyboard clacking]
I feel like there are 2 main types of Riverdale fans: The fans who watch it for characters like Cheryl (and Cheryl & Toni's relationship) And the fans who watch it for the cringe and make youtube videos about it so the rest of us don't have to endure said cringe
Jughead's "crown beanie" is actually _remarkably_ faithful to the comics for how far the show can get from them. Jughead's crown isn't cardboard or paper, it's a "whoopee cap". Back in the '30s and '40s, _every_ man was pretty much expected to wear a hat of _some_ sort, and mechanics and factory workers _especially_ needed hats to keep their heads and hair relatively clean and safe from dust and debris. They preferred beanies because, having no brim, they didn't get caught on or in things and didn't at all cast shadows or obstruct peripheral vision, but the most fashionable hat of the day was the wide-brimmed _fedora,_ so workers would just take their fedora (or, perhaps more likely, _one of_ their _fedoras),_ flip it inside out, and cut the brim according to preference. Some simply cut it off entirely, others with a bit more flair cut it in a zig-zag and flipped it up to make the distinctive crown shape. In short order, kids (especially boys imitating their fathers and brothers) everywhere started making their own or had theirs handed down to them and decorated them with buttons, pins, ribbons, bottle caps, yadda yadda yadda, and in this children's fashion craze Jughead Jones debuted in 1941. It's an _extremely_ '20s-'30s-'40s thing for a teen to wear, but yeah, as noted, it's so iconic for Jughead that he's kept it all through the past... what is it now? _78_ years of high school. Also, do you mind if I steal the term "In-Group Friendcest"?
@@katieflick888 Lmaoooo and like she said in the vid, its not that he doesnt have a personality but that they dont do anything with it! They could have given him interesting subplots but THEY DIDNT
The much better show It's Always Sunny in Philadephia has a similar concept, take a seemingly innocent and cliched premise, sitcoms and the Archie comics, and make it a darkly comedic series while being subversive, but while It's Always Sunny has very smart and talented writers behind it, Riverdale thinks smart writing is just saying "Wow thats dumb or cliched".
That seems like such a good counterexample of how to do a similar thing right, but I haven't seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I've heard they're really good with that. It might be a useful more constructive counterpoint in a future video.
@@QuinnCurio While I'm not a huge fan of a lot of "Subversive" shows they become their own version of a cliche, It's Always Sunny stands out mainly due to the cast and genuine passion they have. These videos by people much smarter than me can explain it better ua-cam.com/video/tZ8ZF8VsfU0/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/EXdiIgUmf2M/v-deo.html
What I love about always sunny is how every episode basically starts out with ''the gang'' being either bored or wanting to make some money, so they decide to do something. And by the end of the episode they've just left this path of destruction behind, ruining people days or sometimes even their lives. They then either deny their part in it or are completely oblivious of their wrongdoing and carry on their lives as usual. Its completely over the top and insane, but in a weird sort of realistic way. It is also probably the only show I know where people frequently get into arguments while talking at the same time and cutting off each others lines. Its also the reason this show stands out for me so much, because the absolute chaotic mess that Always Sunny brings is so different from all other sitcoms where characters just carefully line up a joke and wait for some other member to deliver the punchline.
I don't see how an almost 30 year old man walks in to audition as a teenager and the director says 'yes, this is perfect' Shows like this are the best opportunity to cast up and coming TEENAGERS like, tf.
Remember when Supernatural had a pre-planned arc over the first five seasons? Why don’t more shows _do_ that? I guess these CW shows rely a lot on what fans want... a little _too_ much imo.
Acutally, Everything from 1-5 is it's own plot. What people dont seem to notice is that seasons 6-present are also its own plot. Everything adds up. One thing causes another. Season 6 is Cas betrays them, bam leviathans in season 7. Season 7 they killed dick and got the tablet, bam season 8. I can go on and on, but supernatural does make sense. I cant say it isnt as good as the first 5 seasons were, but it still is the best show I ever watched ngl.
It was supposed to end at the 5 year plan but the show was so popular at the time (And still is) that that kind of threw them off a bit so they're just like "Okay, our original writer is gone and we dont have a plan." Yet it still managed to be a great show lol.
Is it great as a popcorn binge or as a legitimate "hmm, quite, I evaluate the media" type show? Because I gave up not long after Felicia Day literally walked into Oz
Quick rant here: Cheryl and Toni's ship name is Choni. Literally a word for underpants. Why isn't it Cheri? Cheryl's main aesthetic is red and cherries, so why didn't they just make it her ship name? It's so obvious, and so dumb.
We went from milkshakes and mysteries to cult leaders building space rockets, mutant robot moth men, actual bombs and witches. This show has a level of surreal storytelling I’ve only seen in pro wrestling and Mexican telenovelas
I just absolutely hate this show because of the over sexualization of high schoolers. Like its so bad. Also the sexualization of lesbian relationships. and how they ruined heathers
Can we address their clothes? Absolutely no one in highschool dresses like this. No school's dress code would even allow it Edit: I know some schools have different dress codes, you don't have to keep telling me. I am north american. I know now highschool students who would be allowed to dress like this or wealthy enough to afford it.
i can understand this compared to other teen dramas because their clothes somewhat have the cartoony vibe that a comic would have thats acceptable because this is based off of the comics but most over teen dramas try to depict themselves as realistic but still wear these clothes
Jughead in the comics: 🤥 Jughead in Riverdale: If you haven’t noticed, I’m weird😳 I’m a weirdo. I don’t 🤪 fit in 🤓 and I don’t want to fit in 😎 Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat? 👑 that’s weird!🎩😔🤪🤩
When I first saw Jughead in the first episode (I didn't finish it, though) I almost mistook him for Dilton. Because Dilton is the type of person who would be on his laptop a lot. And I was expecting Jughead to have a burger on his hand. But I wasn't expecting the whole show to look dark and edgy.
Riverdale is just an edgy bottom of the barrel romance Wattpad Y/N fanfic mixed with another edgy bottom of the barrel horror creepy pasta fanfic Both written by 12 year olds
I read this as “Riverdale is just an edgy bottom” and was about to be offended on behalf of edgy bottoms. Then I read to the end and was offended on behalf of 12 year olds. You’re right though.
Basically Jughead: "I'm not like other girls"
Straight up
I have SNAKE ARMS
No, not really. More Betty with her „BaD sIdE“
Tofu betty is the “strong independent” woman who is actually just a bitch
@@faraway-2009 lmao u spelt cheryl wrong. tbh all the girls in the show are just problematic, aside from toni bc we know next to nothing about her
Riverdale is what happens when you have a school full of protagonists who clearly are the protagonists and you could also spot them easily in a crowd.
I see someone is Pateron lol.
Yep, they may as well have "We're the unrealistic, cringy, twentysomething teenage protagonists of a CW Show" tattooed across their foreheads!😅
Jorge why lol I be on that too I need monies ..every one does. Smh if you on it n I came across your name tag and what you do i maybe but you off with monies. Why not helping out isn't nothing too be made fun at.
Not but give you Moines there.
So what you are saying is, Riverdale is anime.
“Looking extremely DILFy today.”
That sentence is social suicide
TooLateToTheStory i mean the first part of your comment is debatable but I feel you
@TooLateToTheStory Yes it's like sex fantasies about teacher. Or any other people you aren't engaged with, especially if you are talking to them.
She looks at his disheveled hair before she says it. I think it was meant to be sarcasm.
Nemo TheEight speaking of that ... remember season 1 when Archie had a thing going on with his teacher😂 and now that seems soooo harmless compared to where the show has gotten
SShemp86 I think he’s a good lookin dude. Or was at least.
Imagine being called "dilfy" by your child's peers
His reaction is some of the best acting in the show. That'd be my face too
I'd immediately need to take a shower to wash away the cringe.
I would call that child's parents so fast bruh
Imagine the word "DILFy" leaving your mouth 🤢
@@amandajensen3382and tell them what? "Your kid is horny for me"?
Riverdales dialogue sounds like it was written by aliens who only have a vague idea what human conversation is like
Or like someone fed an AI pages upon pages of fanfiction written by 13 year olds and now it has to create a fanfiction itself.
miso no teenager talks with so many references and adjectives also no teenager wears those fucking clothes Veronica what is up with you boo???she looks like a trophy wife
yeah, but they base it off social media xD
You literally explained why I love this horrible, horrible show.
They found the golden record and was like “wow we make show now”
i literally cannot watch the “i’m a weirdo” scene with a straight face. like it’s literally too emo 2012 tumblr for me.
It would have been so much less cringey if they hadn’t erased his asexuality. (I mean, don’t get me wrong, “so much less cringey” still would have meant PLENTY of cringe. That scene had spare cringe for days, no doubt no doubt. BUT. Jus’ sayin’, would have at least made a little more sense if he was still asexual.)
i have it memorized
In case you haven’t noticed, I'm weird. I’m a weirdo. I don't fit in. And I don't want to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on? That's weird.
I quote that scene everyday and i laugh every single thing
It's empty self-critique.It's the writers winking to the audience so hard, the audience is afraid they're having a fucking stroke.
riverdale is me trying to explain my dream but i don’t remember half of it
YES!! Omg yes!!,
oh
exactly
Or when your dream randomly switches storylines or has a major time jump.
Omg, yes
There's actually something to the "I'm a weirdo" scene that I think gets ignored, and it's that Betty throws him a birthday party even though she knows he associates his birthday with his terrible childhood and would prefer something low-key. What he's trying to say actually has merit-- he doesn't need lots of friends or popularity and doesn't need to fit in because he's okay with who he is, and it's insensitive of her to try to change that. But it's written horribly, so it gets brushed off as him being a wannabe edgy teenager.
Doesn't Archie tell Betty that Jughead wouldn't like a birthday party. She was in thr wrong
Yeah when I saw the scene the first time I really liked it, and it’s only funny out of context. It’s their first big fight and you really feel that there’s some insurmountable differences between them. But then you watch them surmount them lol it was actually one of the better scenes that connected to the rest of their arc but it gets mocked for being kind of cringe.
I have never watched Riverdale but all these untouched milkshakes are driving me nuts
the milkshakes were actually yogurt to make it look a lot thicker. the actors said it was disgusting, so i don’t blame them for leaving untouched milkshakes💀
@@jayden7596 💀💀💀🤢
@@jayden7596 really what interview?
I just want to watch Riverdale because of Cole and Lili
YESSSSS sameee
"I have never read the Archie comics" that's ok, I doubt the writers have either
I collect the old Archie comics and I even have a few of the Betty's Diary comics as well And let me tell you. They haven't, they completely ignored what made the comics so great. They just though of well If we say it's apart of the Archie and friends maybe more people will watch it. Which is really sad.
At least it hasn’t got a love triangle
@@sineadthomas2024 the comics and the show both have elements of the love triangle..?
LMAO
the comics were pretty great but the show...what show?
I was gonna sleep but now I have the word ‘dilfy’ banging around in my head like a windows screensaver so thanks for that.
Ditto, seriously, writers, if you want to be taken at all seriously, NEVER have a teenage girl comment on how hot her friend's middle aged father is!
I can't tell if it's more or less cringy than Insatiable's use of the word though 🤷♂️
This comment cured my depression and then gave it back.
A DILF is pretty much a MILF but a man.
-This post was made by the Hentai Manga gang.-
whhaaaa?! I love this line hahaha I legit rewound it to hear it again!
The biggest Riverdale rumor is that all of this is just a series of novels that Jughead is writing. That would explain almost everything addressed here.
I keep on hearing this but are they talking about the Jughead in the comics writing it? If so that doesn't really make sense he would never write anything so horny and romance filled.
The self-aware, witty, wise-beyond-his-years, aroace dudebro is supposed to have written this horny, poorly written, tone deaf dreck?
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick Jughead is fake deep.
@@twomansdream6011 Not in the comics. Jughead doesn’t begin to claim to be deep there.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick It’s hard to claim that this show is based on the comics, though. None of the characters even remotely resemble their comic selves.
They problem isn't that they look like adults (which a lot of teenagers can pass as adults, and everyone matures differently), it's that they are constantly thrown into adult situations, without their age having any relevance. This show could work the exact same way with adult characters.
true
That's true. Most of them look young enough, they would probably look even younger if they weren't meant to look older.
YES. Season one was actually kinda good because the teens acted more like teens that matured through traumatic circumstances. They also got the police involved when bad things happened (which was such a breath of fresh air from the whole Pretty Little Liar drama), but of course they totally ditched that in season two because reasons... But in the rest of the seasons, they all just act like adults. There's not even classroom shots with teachers or mention of homework or school projects (just PROM or random "school-like" events). The best we see of school is their hang out room and the hallways. They do sexualize teenagers (especially with that whole Mad World pole dance with Betty.) AND Veronica has this weird side business like an actual adult. What 16-17 year old could seriously RUN a restaurant and LEGALLY sell alcohol? (And not get caught.) (Side note: Some teens might be capable, but most don't have the time with school and other commitments [for ex. Veronica is on cheer squad].) And it wasn't even the best keep secret either. Like apparently in season 4 she sells RUM. She's not even of legal age to DRINK let a lone sell. Sigh... Honestly, they could have just been seniors in the first season and started college in the rest of the seasons because that's what it feels like. (Though there would have been A LOT more paper writing and test cramming in there, so yeah).
True af.
Dude they disappear from their homes a day, two days, they go a weekend to a lake house and their parents really really don't care. They're totally chill with teen sex and why not? They stop murderers.
I feel bad for the actors who actually have to keep a straight face and say these lines
They probably think it’s hilarious
😂
@@pukk6094 Lili is actually fucking depressed thinking about the storyline
i can't believe that Cole is still laying jughead
I was like 1 thousand
Jughead doesn't even need to be called Jughead. His name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones III. That's a badass name, but Jughead is like "oh I'm moody and my name is jughead now"
Apparently he claimed Jughead was his actual name in the show? Which is unbelievably dumb but then again this is Riverdale we're talking about.
In the acutal comics, his name was that. But jughead used to be a snobby rich kid. His parents invested in a water company called Purejug, but instead they went bankrupt. So when he became poor people started calling him 'jughead' just to make fun of him. It's just a nickname that kind of stuck on him.
(The comics are really good btw)
@@sai-ct2jh its even weirder to think about how much jughead HATES his name since in the 2015 reboot (which the show is inspired by/based off of), he has a whole SCENE dedicated to him explaining that he basically reclaimed the jughead nickname
WHY CANT THIS SHOW JUST *OWN IT?* JUGHEAD IS A COOL NICKNAME GUYS.
@@sai-ct2jh Be careful with that, his name is "revealed" on multiple occasions, the very first time it's actually a lie. He bribes his aunt to call him "steve" so that everyone thinks they have the real name and stop bugging him about it. There's also one comic in which a school teacher calls him by his given name (Forsythe), which has the knockon effect of revealing that the name itself has semi-hypnotic properties that compel women to throw themselves at him with heart-throbbing affection.
I bet the reason he is called Jughead is because is mother is stupid and probably was high cause it’s his stupid mother
In the comics, Archie acts like an *actual* teenager. Like, he has two girls who are constantly vying for his attention, but also he's super awkward and clumsy, plus, he is most definitely *not* the best at football lol.
Exactly!, the TV show Happy Days was a fairly accurate illustration of the original Archie comics. Riverdale has nothing in common with the comics except some character names. Riverdale is the usual cringey CW 'adult themes played as teen angst' motif that really belongs in traditional soap operas.
Remember when Archie was with Ms.Grundy and the show didn’t make it seem like it was that big of a deal? He was supposed to be 15-16 years old.
Panypo And see, that could’ve been an actual good storyline. Like tackling the fact that men can, and often are, victims of predatory women like that. I wish they’d gone more into detail about her, their relationship, and actually developed Archie realizing that she was a manipulating toxic cuntbag. It could’ve been SO good, but instead they just randomly send her off and kill her semi-offscreen.
Um i didn't care how big of a deal it was but i cared a LOT HOW IT WASNT EVEN PART OF THE PLOT AT ALL
@@katie5998 can someone explain to me how it was even crucial to the plotline at all bc they "were in the woods" at the time but it literally doesnt even matter to the story at all. They get càaught halfway thru the season and it doesnt add to the story at all Help
chaotic_gabby I think what they were trying to do was mislead the viewer. That was the point of them being in the woods. Otherwise, it’s completely pointless. They could’ve had a character plot line for Archie and his growth as a character & developing into someone whose more musically inclined, but then he turned into a football dweeb and it killed kt
@@katie5998 ughghghg i wish it was relevant tho!!!
the fact that jughead’s supposed to be poor and owns the same jacket in 4 different shades of the same color
skawesome those jackets are vintage Levi sheepskins as well / up to about $400 a pop in vintage stores and eBay.
SERA Xx granted I’ve seen one at good will in decent condition for $40 that was just one time in my 21 years of existing 😂😂😂
i mean yeah he's poor, not an animal
@@galiciaart yeah but poor people arent animals for not having the same jacket in four shades of the same color
And a MacBook
This show is what happens when aesthetic moodboards try to make actual stories.
Oh my God, that's it. That's what this show feels like. An inaccurate high school moodboard.
You summarize the show entirely. In fact you've actually summarized why Tumblr specifically is obsessed with the show, it's basically they're stupid aesthetic posts personified into an actual show, the real irony of it all is that they purposely choose to ignore the acting and writing
pinkfeiry accurate
Thank god it's just a moodboard. If it was an artboard then I would have been quite sad
no one could put it better than you did.
Archie went from:
• Being g*oomed by a teacher
• Wanting to be a guitarist
• Nearly being murdered
•Running away from his girlfriend's mafia father
• Almost dying like three times
• Going to jail and making a gang
• Going to war
"g*oomed"
What's next? "D*ath"?
you forgot experiencing the epic highs and lows of high school football
Trying to be a fireman, be a coach
@@92.rx7 * Working in a mine
* Owning a boxing club and a construction company...
Leave Namjoon alone
"Archie andrews is not the leader... he's just the tallest boi" this is the best thing ive ever heard
jughead is taller
@@bagel5394 but jughead's scrawny ass can't fight for shit
But reggie is taller
He is the tall one, and he’s got abs
@@gauravr7216 in the comics he could technically fight im pretty sure.
the stupid show changed his character completly
Show: i’M a wEIrDo, I’M dIfFeREnT
Comics: man I just kinda like burgers and this crown dude...
Wow he likes burgers and wears a crown, hE's So nOt liKe oTheR GuYs!
"have you see me without this stupid crown on?, that's weird"
Bruh what happened to hotdog. The cartoon has better writing than this shit
Chandler Bing,knows
@@shahanahsan05 ha
The reason Jughead wears a crown was because at the time Archie was created, it was common for fathers to give their sons their old and worn out hats (fedoras and bowlers and etc) and the kids would turn them inside out, put pins and buttons on them, and cut the brim so they had that spikey pattern. Jughead's crown was originally that. The comic went on so long that it would eventually hire artists who had no idea that was a thing thought it was a crown, so it became a crown.
i have learned something new today
woohoo history
Nerdsync covered this exact topic I think
Yes.
The thing that's annoying is that he talks about it like its some qUIrKy aesthetic plague that's been tossed onto him that makes him WEIRD and NoT LikE ThE OtHeR BoYS--when the comic jughead would've probably been like 'hell yeah, this is my hat lol'.
Your point about Jughead Jones having to wear the hat when the writers so clearly don’t like it makes me think that it’d be amazing to have a show that’s Riverdale-esque but all the characters are being forced into habits they can’t really choose, with a mysterious force guiding them into these roles and stereotypes beyond their control that they’re constantly trying to struggle against in this Lovecraftian facade of a teen drama.
Late, but oh, I would read the shit out of this.
That is mildly the plot of the kdrama extraordinary you although less intense I feel
That’s the plot of a fanfiction I read long ago and let me tell you, I’m not even in that fandom anymore but I still have the link saved in my notes so that I can reread it
@@mhmmhm5995 If you still have the link, I'd love to read it.
this remember me of the princess tutu anime
My favourite line was "a snake never sheds it's skin"
Yeah, Jughead, they do. It's one of the things they are known for doing
@Eddie at The LMV I'm not sure it was even that meaningful. Iirc the school wanted Jughead to stop wearing his gang jacket at school (which, tbh, is a pretty fair thing to ask) so he replies that a serpent never sheds it's skin
As a cobra myself, here's a much better metaphor
"Snakes always shed their skin."
It means that a dangerous and clever perople are difficult to predict.
it's supposed to be "a snake can shed its skin, but it's still a snake," Letterkenny got it right haha
That was... A pun.
To ridicule that line even more, if a snake doesn't shed it's skin right it dies. It's necessary for them to survive.
I don't understand why they couldn't just make the premise in a college instead of high school.
They literally ONLY casted older people is because they're sexualizing the characters.
I thought the same thing. I feel like they will have much more freedom if its collage based but for some reason if the popular thing to have a high school setting
it could explain the amount of time they arent in school as well
@@iwakeupandboomimarat exactly!
I say this every time I watch this show.
-They can dress however they want
-the actors are at the right age to be in college
-They clearly do not have the normal 8am-3pm schedule cause they are always doing something random in the middle of the day, so it would make sense since no one has the same schedule in college
-They have lounge areas
Like, seriously, they wouldn't have to change anything.
I don't think the two high school's rivalries would make as much sense. Then again, the whole show doesn't make sense, so i say fuck it
Remember when Archie wanted to be a musician? He probably doesn’t
literally what the fuck happened to that whole storyline
He switched to become a vigilante like batman right?
Exactly
Muhammad Haiqal he switched to become how Oliver Queen started 😂 cause CW shows have to be superhero format 😂
ThaiSenpaiNJ 🤣🤣
writers: tries to sell Archie as a sweet character
Archie: Is a cheater, was in a relationship with a teacher, held someone at gunpoint, starts a fascist gang
P.S.riverdale is like twilight if it was a series, more chaotic, and wasn't written by a mormon
To play Riverdale’s advocate I think the teacher relationship wasn’t on him as relationships like hey almost always have a power dynamo in the teacher’s favor. And no offense to Archie but there was a reason he isn’t the brightest guy.
Riverdale Archie is straight up a stereotypical bully they are failing badly
Archie starts a whaaaaaaat?
@@IncensedAgitator he actually starts 2. Also he joins a biker gang, is forced to join an illegal inmate boxing ring, fights a bear, a dude dressed as a bear, commits arson at least once and become a a mafia boss' right hand man.
This is the same character whose main conflict in s1 was a rip-off of Troy Bolton from high school musical and Finn Hudson from glee.
@@lihuenbaez6154 HOLY MOLY WHAT IS THIS SHOW?
You forget Archy constantly being naked and Veronica saying "endgame" every 5 minutes or so.
Maybe she liked the movie way too much
In the riverdale universe "endgame" basically means a couple being destined to stay together for eternity.
yeah...we know that, kim
Kim Reich r/whoosh
Veronica also says daddy every 2 minutes
riverdale is basically someone trying to recreate highschool without actually ever stepping foot in a normal highschool.
Worse. It was someone in the 40s trying to recreate their high school from the 20s, which lasted well into the 60s such that it sanded out much of the generational divide, was considered an alien landscape all it's own in the 80s, and somehow retained some impact into the culture of the 2000s. It's like ... trying to recreate the recreation of the almost not-quite recreation of the fake recreation of the genuine recreation of the actual high school society that was once real but now feels ridiculous.
I always saw it as degrassi but edgier and in the 60s
Yea. Highschool is memes and grades not sex and crime. At most youll have someone say they had sex with someone outside of school that you never met and never will
Like f the prom
PrisonCipher anime is not supposed to be realistic, unlike riverdale, which is why riverdale is so bad and hated.
The fact that Jughead is a nickname *he gave himself* and he’s complaining about getting bullied about it😭
FRR LMAOO
AND ALSO HOW HE COMPLAINS ABOUT HOW HE NEVER TAKES HIS HAT OFF LIKE DUDE... YOU CAN CONTROL THAT. JUST TAKE IT OFF IF YOU WANT
PLSSS
Came here looking for this comment lol
RIGHHT ? I mean if I had a shitty name like Forsythe I would come up with a regular ass nickname wtf.
This show is insane but I gotta admit that scene with Archie punching the ice is great. His character should be like the friendly giant, he protects and does things the most simple way. Great commentary.
So Moose from the comics, basically.
Make Archie be a himbo!!!
@@Oliviagarry69420 Archie Himbo rights!!
The scene where Archies punches the ice is pretty much straight up ripped from a french movie called Rust and Bone (great movie)
We don't break the ice, we beat it to a slush.
the show is at least aesthetically pleasing to look at. it definitely has a style. its a shame it sucks from a writing standpoint
The aesthetics were gorgeous in Season 1!
@Brupcat short answer: nilis b doesn't like it so there for it's bad
Very, I watched the very first scene (With the red car and the red-head twins etc) With a friend who'd watched the whole series and thought the show was setting itself up to be a beautiful artistic visual feast. I watched 5 minutes more and died from cringing at the writing.
(Doesn't mean I'm not hooked, though)
It’s the kind of show you have to leave on in the background or turn your brain off to truly enjoy, but you could just leave it on and laugh your ass off at what crazy bullshit they conjure up next like I do
Jughead could have just said "I don't want to fit in. That's why I wear this." *points at hat*
exactly!
"that's why i wear this hat, that's weird"
or "Im quirky lols look at my hat sksks"
Right would've been easier
Thats just what he said in a different way though
DID SHE JUST TELL ARCHIE'S DAD THAT HE LOOKS DILFY💀
No i think the actor just died inside
@@UnlimitedGreenWorks that didnt age well...
@@poorvabharambe2041 oh god please, dont tell me hes dead
@@UnlimitedGreenWorks .....
@@poorvabharambe2041 no...No...NOOOOOO!
So interesting fact, Jughead actually wears what's called a "Whoopee Cap," which is a type of hat once common among both youths and mechanics. It got popular around the time men started wearing fedoras, being fairly easy to modify from a fedora, because it was still considered polite for men to wear a hat when outside.The snapback baseball cap wouldn't gain prominence until the 1970s and the bowler had become somewhat more expensive and 'formal,' the options left were the beanie or making a hat of your own. Beanies, however, were often associated with college students, and in an area with a prominent town/college divide, a 'town' type wouldn't want to copy college fashion. On top of that, the cheapest beanies were typically made of canvas, which can grow stiff when dirty, and would usually come only in light colors. A fedora offered a more varied color selection, however, meaning that the dirt could be more easily hidden.
So, workmen would purchase brown, black, or grey fedoras and cut off the brims. The fact that these modifications were typically made by the workmen themselves with scissors rather than the merchant (or their wives) meant the brim would typically turn out jagged. Rather than trying to even that out, the men who made Whoopee Hats began to lean into it, cutting the edge of the brim off first and them using triangle cuts to finish rather than trying to be even.
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The style would be copied by the workmen's sons, who (Not having the same practical need) would cut the brims higher on the brim and more deeply into it. However, this meant the brim would often flop, which would necessitate securing the brim with thread (if mom would help) or a pin or button (if she wouldn't.)
This lead to the buttons themselves becoming accessories, somewhat like buttons and pin on a person's bag or backpack today (or maybe last decade)? Which would lead to the more ostentatious 'crown'-style whoopees shown here.
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However, with the continued rise in the popularity of baseball, fall in the popularity of the beanie on college campuses, and more intentionally transgressive youth cultures such as greasers, beatniks, and others, the whoopee hat died out after around the 1950s... Which is not too long after the Archie comic series began.
With the characters having always been exaggerated and the original style being mimicked in the design pretty much gone from the artist's consciousness, Jughead's whoopee hat would grow larger. While it grew, it was still largely recognizably a whoopee hat to someone who knew what they were looking for right up until about the '70s or '80s. In the '70s and '80s, the fast-food company Burger King began to distribute paper crowns. Because of the crown's popularity and tie to Jughead's primary fixation (food,) once that was introduced the hat would be drawn pretty much just int he style of a crown, at times even getting flares and similar ornamentation impossible in felt in some more detailed images.
That's really interesting.
Very interesting, I kind of remembered a few pictures from my youth so I always knew that jughead's hat was some kind of style. Interestingly Jughead's crown beenie from the show to me seems like a very accurate update of the original style.
Love how interesting the story of a funny hat is. Humans are very interesting
super super interesting !!
I cringed so hard every time she said Jughead wears a “crown” in the comics
“There’s nothing worse to me than age-inappropriate casting.” -A 20-something playing a teenager
MB yea they make them act so grown and nothing like actual high schoolers it’s so annoying and ruins the whole effect. And these type of shows always insist on using a high school setting but want to completely remove it from reality it’s laughable really
yes, that's the joke
That's, that's the joke
My only problem is when these teen shows be walking around drinking alcohol in front of their parents 😭only 39% of teens can relate 😂
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Also in the comics, Kevin was NOT the gay best friend trope. Kevin was on the football team, a good friend of Archie and Reggie, and had a lot of character development before he came out. The Riverdale writers were the ones that scratched his original character to make him the gay best trope and still haven’t given him a good story arc for four seasons. I’ve considered making a video on how much they did Kevin dirty
Update: I’ll make the video for y’all
Well, I hope you do make a video. I'd be interested in watcing it.
i’d watch that! lmk if u ever make it :)
I’d absolutely watch that!!!
let us know if you make it!
kevin deserves better
Look the archie comics get weird. There is literally a issue where predator kills them all and one where a zombie apocalypse happens but somehow this show achieves being MORE RIDICULOUS than both of those issues 😂😂
And another with the Punisher
I mean when the premise is obviously ridiculous it becomes easier to enjoy it or take it seriously, whereas riverdale is trying to be a serious show
@@somedragonbastard true but that's what's so confusing. There are times where they are self aware with how crazy this show is but then the next episode they wanna be all serious and take the show seriously and it's just like pick one!!
@@Gloomdrake lmaooo i forgot about that one
Archie Comics are weird. They're a weirdo. They don't "fit in".
The thing that bothers me most is that Archie comics are generally pretty wholesome. There are darker storylines but the characters are always consistent. You can do dark gritty Archie stories without being this mess.
I don't really read much of the comics, but I'm curious about what are those "darker storylines"?
@@ninarances9074 At least in the "future possibilities" comics it deals a lot with death, grief, monopoly, being heartbroken, and is overall pretty dark. It's possible its the exception, and I did read it quite a while back, but from what I remember it was kinda heartbreaking to read because these are such happy characters
I remember a story where Betty was kidnapped by the son of Mr. Lodge's rival (he saw her walking out of the Lodge mansion and thought she was Veronica), and held hostage while the abductor sent a fake letter to the Coopers saying she ran away to join a commune (this story ran in the early 70s, I think).
Another story where Jughead pushes Archie out of the way of a runaway truck and gets hit in the head by a box that fell off the truck and almost dies.
A bittersweet story that ran in the 90s where Jughead meets a homeless man who was a big band drummer and let's him drum with the Archies, when he goes back to see him on the streets, he finds out the man died.
Another story that was part of a kid-friendly homage to 1984 where Reggie's dad was put into jail for talking about the military at Mr. Lodge's factory in his newspaper. Reggie manages to free his dad by blackmailing the judge working the case after the judge is caught in a compromising position with a secretary.
@@NefariousEvildoer wow, that would be a way better story than the actual one.
I've never seen Riverdale and every time I hear a plot point it sounds like a joke.
"Archie fights a bear"
"There's a D&D cult"
"The rapture happens"
"Archie starts a gang of fascist vigilantes"
One of the main characters becomes a vampire.
Edit; at least in the comics, waiting for the show to do it still.
None of this is inaccurate.
There is this cult leader and he wants to fly away in a rocket
you forgot the serial killer genes ✨
the first season is rlly good tho (i cant say the same about the rest)
jughead being bullied for his name makes no sense to me because his name is forsythe pendleton jones the III he CHOSe jughead
to be fair if my name was forsythe i would change my name too
He'd get bullied by just one of the 3 really fancy names, let alone all 3
When he introduces himself to Veronica, he calls himself Jughead Jones III, which led me to assume the nickname was somehow inherited as well.
@@Victor_Graves yeah he could've just called himself pen or something-
What are you guys talking about. Jones is what he should be called over anything lmao. How is jones a fancy name😂🤣🤣
“Betty and Veronica were forced to drink slow acting poison and Archie is getting shivved in prison while fighting bears.”
Me *who stopped watching halfway through season 2* : Excuse I??
lmao oh yeah it got crazy dramatic in season 3. it was also shot and filmed amazingly well imo so it makes you feel like ripping your hair out when you realise it really is only the writing that drags down the entire show
@@sparklyspangle nah,not"amazingly well". Not even close. It's just good.
@@yugandharjanardhan6466 eh maybe. I was thinking of a specific scene in season 3 that actually was done really really well, so I may be a bit biased there :)
Dude same I was a mix of being confused and understanding all at once
Season 3 they attempt to ripoff other movies. Silence of the lambs, Heather's, and more I cant remember off the top of my head. They took plots from good movies and fit each one into an episode. Even stranger things! They play "griffins and gargoyles " (DnD)
absolutely FURIOUS that they completely wiped out Jugheads sexuality. If you need another example of this shows obbsession with oversexualization of every character- Jughead is CONFIRMED, COMES OUT IN THE COMICS as Asexual, and the show completely wiped that
Little infuriates me more than Ace erasure, I haven't even read Archie comics and I'm mad as hell about this!
Just let the boy eat his burgers, read his comics, and play with his dog in peace, CW.
Never read the comics or even watched the series, but for what I read from various comments Jughead's sexuality was defined in the comics after the series was already sexualizing him.
@@JesterQueenAnne well, same boat but also from what I have seen there were things even before that people could easily interpret as him being asexual, so the comics more or less just made it canon eventually. In any case, the show's version of hin seems to barely even resemble Jughead which is probably what most people would be pissed about.
@@fieratheproud someone not being interested in having a relationship being interpreted as ace/aro is such a stretch. But anyway, yeah, the character in the series having nothing to do with the original is really the problem.
what about the epic highs and lows of high school football
kortnee
*go wildcats*
LOL
I’ve never watched the show but i’ve seen that scene so many times just to laugh
😂
Not me
I dropped out in the 4th grade
Honestly most highschool shows would make more sense in college
Yes! Yeah! Mmhm! Uh huh! Affirmative!
@Dzimas whatever man i am not looking for realism everywhere. my concern is how unconvincing these actors are as high schoolers and how troublingly often they are sexualised. problems which would fix themselves if they were just older on the show
RIGHT? at least would make the objectification
more or less ''''''''okay''''''''' i think?
What? Having 25 year olds in highschool isn’t normal?
Actually yes! Absolutely!
I literally JUST NOW realized that Jughead’s beanie is a crown.
Same
Fr lol not hating 💀💯😂 it's ok so did my cousin
Lol
same
Same😅
'Looking dilfy today?'
Okay we're jumping right into the deep end I see.
Riverdale is weird. It's a weirdo. It doesn't make sense and doesn't want to make sense. Have you ever seen one episode without that bad writting ? That's weird.
Leila did you just ...
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AHHHHH 😂😂😂
Your version is STILL better writing than Jughead’s line.
Leila that was actually really good 😂👏🏼
Everytime Cole speaks he looks like he's trying so hard not to laugh at his own edgy lines
Niko I feel bad for him tbh. All the cast members lol
The actors are great its just the show’s writing 💀💀😂I don’t blame him tho.
lmao the “i’m weird, im a weirdo” line looks like he made it look so bad on purpose
grace gordon he looks constipated to even have to say it. It’s like when my mom forces me to converse politely with my weird family
The actors themselves hate the writing.
I'm just surprised that Cheryl's almost incestuous love for her brother wasn't a bigger talking point.
*SPOILERS* Especially the part where she simiforces Archie into a relationship with her through bribes and was established a few episodes earlier how similar he looks to her brother and how even her mother sees the resemblance
Yeah
yeah.. nobody gonna talk about how she was just magically gay after toni came along
WOW
@@Josh-qr3go bi people exist
@@gktalberta4856 yes, I concur.
Fun fact:
"Jughead" is actually his nickname in the comics.
His real name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones.
Not only that, he’s Forsythe Pendleton Jones _III._
It’s the same in the show. They’ve mentioned it a few times.
Why didn't they just call him Syth? It sounds more like an actual name. Although nothing in this show is realistic, to begin with
@@justsomegirlwithoutamustacheHis dad, Forsythe Pendleton Jones Jr., goes by F.P. That option was literally placed right in his lap, and he was like "nah, let's use this nickname that I can tell is derogatory even though I'm not even sure what it means."
Because if it didn't then we wouldn't have any more musicals from Alex Meyers.
Alex's musicals are the best, and far more entertaining than anything that actually happens on the show!😉😂
Alex Myers helped me quit the drug that is Riverdale
Nothing can stop archie’s abs when they have that fire in their eyes
Look at how they ripple, just check out archie’s nipple!!!
Abs everywhere
Riverdale did have potential, but a combination of peculiar themes, bad dialogue, and constant retconning and plot holes really just screw the whole thing over. It's based off a campy comic about a guy and his friends in high school. If it just had bad dialogue, or just had plot holes, or just had questionable themes, then it'd be alright, but all of those things put together plus the material that it is based off combine to make it "cringey."
sonqbiird agreed, I really like the show but I hate it why? See when I’m watching, I try to make it better some way. I hate it’s bad dialogue and it has to have is DRAMA. I agree with you completely!
You summed it up in 4 lines what this video couldn't do in 30 minutes lol
The main problem is that they turned Archie into a superhero
I agree but also it became so self aware to the point where it started unbearable to watch.
My problem with Riverdale is that I can’t put it down. It’s terrible writing, but the minute I’m ready to leave, they give me some amazing amazing scene. Or cleverly filmed, or uniquely written. I then stick around for 200 other bullshit scenes in the hope another comes around. Riverdale has had so many new seasons to change their writing, to improve and yet-they haven’t. I really thought the authors had an okay start and would get better but it only seems to get worse.
Quinn, you obviously haven’t experienced the epic highs and lows of highschool football.
Ikr 🙄😂
The most infamous line
I would've been like "Yeah you're right" if he didn't say it to people in literal prison
Yes! Yes! Yes!
That! That is what everyone in prison is missing! They found it! Geniuses! 🤮
"dark betty" is 100% something I would have written as a younger teen in the early 2010's to post on deviantart or tumblr and it gives me so much secondhand embarrassment
I also love the way the wig is framed as a big deal. "Is it true, Betty? Is it true you WEAR A WIG while you have kinky and possibly dissociative sex? HOW CAN YOU WEAR A WIG?"
The way she stutters, absolutely shocked that a girl would dress up for sex, is so hilarious
"Is it true? You almost drowned a kid WHILE WEARING A WIG?"
Ok but have you seen the wig? I would have a problem with it too
@@ichor2127 Oh I think it's cute in a campy way
i thought betty looked hot as fuck in that wig 😩🙏🏾
Cheryl's character is so frustrating bc she's probably had the most shit happen to her and thus the most potential:
Murdered brother, guilt over helping him run away, murderer father, father killed by mother, emotional abuse, conversion therapy, attempted rape, attempted suicide, nearly killed by the Black Hood, and having no really friends other than her relationships with Betty Veronica Jughead and Archie.
Even one or two of those things could make a really interesting character but Cheryl is never allowed to grow and develop.
Say it louder for the people in the back ugh I want more grueling character development and not just a bunch of insane horror elements being thrown in every season
Even almost getting killed for being awful didn't help her develop smh. I'm not a writing expert but even I can tell that there's a major flaw in this show's writing.
Jughead doesn't even need to be called Jughead. His name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones III. That's a badass name, but Jughead is like "oh I'm moody and my name is jughead now"
CW hates her for being gay so they casted her potential into the supernatural super hell pit.
@@bestkoi7555 I’m crying. Oh my god.
This show feels like it was written by a child, who has yet to be a teenager, and an adult, who was in a coma through their teenager years, and they've joined together to write a story about what they think being. "teen" is. 😑
Nah, they're written by adults who are half-assedly trying to think like a teenager, but fails miserably and cringey.
They were written by adults who only looked to 2012 tumblr and 2014 wattpad for what is "hip" with teens during 2010
Now that they’ve jumped seven years in the future, you’ve gotta do a sequel
What?
@@sunettas9738 Now that they've jumped seven years in the future, she has to do a sequel.
Oh you mean that in the latest season, there's been a timeskip of 7 years?
in season five?
I remember when my brother saw the trailer and told me that Archie was a miner. I lost it bro.
Turns out he was actually a soldier having a war on the high school football field but that’s just as funny to me.
Betty: I think I'm crazy
Jughead: My father may be a murder
Veronica: My dad won't stop hunting down my friends
Archie: BUT DAD I DON'T WANNA PLAY FOOTBALL I WANNA SING AND DANCE!
* cue Monty python s Lancelot wedding scene
@@Bee-zr5pb Archie's Dad: Stop it! Stop it! You won't break into song while I'm here.
@BK Beatty just like his dreams of being a musician…
@@Bee-zr5pbqqcok😊
oh god Riverdale is high school musical
The most painful thing about this show is the fact that the casting choices are soo perfect.
well the show has to be good at something i guess
true and they’re all pretty good at acting... the writing does them so dirty
i know right, the characters are so interesting
too perfect in my opinion, they all look like supermodels
Kurucz Hanna the fact that they’re high schoolers is super weird to me, high schoolers just don’t look like fully developed mid twenty year olds. If they were college kids I might understand the unrealistic standards a bit more
"My name is Jughead"
Did show writers actively ignore that his name is Forsythe and he prefers to go by the nickname Jughead?
To be fair, Forsythe is not much better
It’s a legitimate - albeit uncommon - surname. Forsythe. Proper noun. A Scottish & Northern Irish surname from the Gaelic Fearsithe meaning "man of peace". *Though Forsythe is this Jughead’s forename (not surname) - nominative determinism could be a thing.
it's written as forsythe on his records + he's referred to as forsythe a few times in later seasons, they just never said it out loud until season 2 and i guess most people around him would know him as jughead instead. there's a kid who's been in my class for years with the surname sullivan who's been referred to as "sully" for as long as i've known him, even by the teachers, so i was genuinely confused when i heard his first name, yknow? it happens.
I said the same thing after you
i always thought that the nickname was forced on him but the writers genuinely thinking “jughead jones” is legitimately what’s written on his birth certificate is honestly more likely
the fact that jughead is CANONICALLY asexual and they didn’t even try to respect that makes me angry on levels my brain cannot comprehend
hes canonically asexual???? wait how????
@@pogchamp5276 in the comics, for a while there was a bit of a gag with him having a girlfriend because she made good food. And that was it.
Though afterwards they just said he was aromantic and asexual and never brought up any romantic relationships ever again for him, and it's his defining trait, plus the crown.
Although I've never read the comics, so I'm sort of basing it off of other comments. But yeah, as an ace myself, gib representation Hollywood
@@lutrinae_yt I haven't read much of the comics either, but I was reading the Archie Comics Fandom Wiki and it says how he married Midge and have a child with her, and he used to have three girlfriends in the past. So that makes me confused.
@@ninarances9074 basically, he's only aroace in the new version of the comics. Before, he just wasn't that interested in dating.
@@samt3412 Oh ok, thank you!
Kevin doesn't get a boyfriend because the writers don't know how to write a compelling gay romance, so he gets relegated to the sad boy corner
Apollo9898LPs they want diversity points without really doing anything. So many shows do that. They include a gay character just because they feel they need to them just write them horribly or side line them, until they need to remind the audiences there is in fact a gay character. They gay character falls into being a. Stereotypical b. Comic relief c. Tragic (the tragedy being centered around the fact that they’re gay) or a mixture of all three.
I wish that wasn't true.
And they only "get away" with Cheryl & Toni's "relationship" because hot lesbians are hot to straight audiences.
I think its refreshing to have a character without a romance. many high school kids never got one. there is life beyond sex.
@@nobodysXghost Yeah... Too bad Kevin's character was reduced to "Lonely Gay Best Friend", and Jughead, who actually DIDN'T have or want any romance, because he was asexual, was turned into a sexually active straight guy...
i had to stop watching after archie said that he didnt kill anyone, but he should go to jail because he "could have"... like my dude, my man, thats not how crime works. im not about to hand myself over to the police because i went into a museum and thought "oh wow i could just take that painting off the wall if i wanted to".
LOL true words, friend
Same.
It's called Pre-Crime and it's how law works in the future year 3020.
@@ScottOmaVideo The show made sense the whole time! D8
@@ScottOmaVideo precrime is literally already starting in China and has been in Japan's legal system to target the Yakuza
fun fact: when they made archie punch the ice the actor actually broke his hand and didn't know until 20 minutes later because it was so cold
Oh my god 😬
Noooooo oh jeez that's fucked
Directors and crew really need to take care of their actors
Shit man
they’re living hell. well acting in hell.
The actor decided not to pull his punches. He decided on his own to give it his all, the directors didn't force him.
@@EMEM663 But they should have STOPPED him! That’s their responsibility!
Additionally, maybe he shouldn’t have had ACTUAL ICE to punch! There were a million different movie magic ways to do that that couldn’t possibly end in injury!
as an archie "fan" meaning I just read it when I was a kid. this is the weirdest shit.
"all the nice references they make"
I noticed none of them were actually references to ARCHIE.
Well yeah, the writers haven’t read ARCHIE!
Hell i don't think they've even seen "Archies weird mysteries"
The comics are just a super sweet high school comic. There is literally no drama. I was so excited when they said that they were adapting it to a live action and then....*this* happened. Absolutely destroyed it.
And the Sabrina happened and made it even worse. T-T
I feel like the writers think a sweet high school comic like the Archie Comics, needs to have some conflict or mature stuff necessary. And I'm like ".....Why? Just keep it the way it is!"
@@kouusa Some say the Sabrina live action fits because it involves a witch, and therefore, dark magic should be involved (and people also mentioned about a comic that would make sense for the live action. I don't know much about the comics, but there's one that involves a teenage Sabrina????)
@@ninarances9074 Sabrina was actually good at first but then it was slowly turning like riverdale (too much sexual stuff, musical singing, cringy references etc.) :/
I wouldn't say there was no drama but ye I agree
I forgot Josie and her group even once existed
Omg me too
Katy Keene doesn't do much better with that character.
I forgot the drama between archie and that one music teacher ever happened
I know that was one of the best parts of season one when they moved them to the other show I was so disappointed
Yeah the pussycats just dissappear all of a sudden, you dont even see valerie in the halls etc.
Riverdale "teens" are how actual teens pretend to act irl on tumblr
bruh you just summed up the whole show, lmao.
Couldn't have said it better
Have you ever used tumblr?
Like 2013 tumblr, 2021 tumblr is frogge
@@L0rdOfThePies ho-ly shit Damon Gant himself?!
The reason why this is so terrible is because it's trying to be edgy but it's also based off of the goddamn Archie comics
Exactly! Like imagine if they made a gritty murder mystery with the character from PEANUTS, it’s just so absurd
@@melr.6738 Theirs actually a skit of dark peanuts on youtube somewhere.
@@Little_Eris yep I think it was from Jimmy fallon or something, but proves that the idea it completely absurd
Lets be honest at best the only drama parts in archie happen every other 15 fucking years if not more
And even then that gets rewritten 2 weeks later
Now imagine making 6 seasons of that... Still better than this horse shit we call a "show"
I just saw a comment that said “riverdale is written by wattpad authors” or something like that but let’s be honest... the majority of wattpad stories are better than Riverdale.
Jayden Jones yep. I have read some good stuff
True
you can find 300 1D adoption stories, same plot, same OC name, and it'd still be better than this bullshit
i like ur profile pic brother
I'm sad that I agree with this.
I saw a theory that the whole show is just Jughead’s poorly written self insert book. The way that they keep adding more and more things that make so sense make me feel like it’s true.
I like that idea but I don’t think riverdale is that dark lol
I thought that the entire 4th season's plot was just his essay about the perfect murder that they assign him at the beginning of the season.
The fact this could possibly happen as a last episode twist
Jughead just occasionally lets Cheryl write in it too
Not even jughead is that dumb
My god everyone in those interviews look miserable
I watched several of them and I can confirm. Lily clearly wants to quit the show, others too lmao. I wouldn't say that about Cole though, just like in pretty much any interview ever he is goofy, stupid and fun in Riverdale interviews aswell. I guess he just likes to mess around. Can't say he doesn't want to quit tho, he probably does.
@@mhm77887 I just don't think he gives a crap.
@@mhm77887 In an interview, he admitted he felt icky going with the show's drastic changes (I think he used the word "butchered" or something) to the source material as he is a fan of the Archie comic himself. He probably laughs at the show everytime but this was his way back in showbiz, I guess.
Look hard enough, you could see the shadow of the gun being aimed at them. In reality and their mental thinking to get through that bullshit.
Yeah but the money tho
If you read the Archie comics, you'd not be able to objectively criticize Riverdale anyway, because the only sound you'd produce was screams of rage.
*" Who's gonna get sucked into a cult and have his organ harvested? There's our boy!"*
This line is so funny to me because just how absurd it sounds next to all the other exemples.
Lmao
The actors hate the show equally as everyone else. Btw I think they try their best with the script but still its horrible.
They get paid is all that matters, not that it's a bad thing tbh
Honestly they kinda have to try their best.. For some this was their first big and major role (Camila Mendes for example)
For others its kind of their breakout role they want to keep going since... well it gets them paid (And the reruns paid for them too) the one I could think of that helps his career the most is Cole Sprouse, since its really hard for Disney stars to climb out of the void that becomes Disney (especially if they aren't singers who can net a few hits like Miley Cyrus, and Selena Gomez... not that I particularly like their music)
I mean they’re directed to act that way. So I don’t know if it has anything to do with trying. They’re clearly aware that the show is ridiculous and they probably almost die from cringe when reading the scripts. They get paid and fame, that’s all that matters. At least they’re getting paid
I would too, but idc if I was in the show I’m still doing it for the money ☠️
do they really? how do you know?
I will admit, I don't like that they sexualized Jughead. Jughead shows ZERO interest in girls in the comics. Any time a girl comes after him, he shows infinite more interest in food. And I know this because when I was 10 I had a whole stack of Jughead comics. The hat is cute though.
yeah, a lot of people are bringing up that while Jughead is canonically aroace in the new comic run, it was made after Riverdale was already planned, but that doesn't mean it's not weird
@@iwakeupandboomimarat I'm not even gonna...
@@iwakeupandboomimarat wdym
t'was my favourite part of Jughead, he loved food and he sold what was basically the only thing keeping him alive to a witch for a Pizza sandwich.
@@iwakeupandboomimarat ah, thanks for telling me
I genuinely think that Riverdale is like what happens when a showrunner made a My Immortal style fanfiction in their youth and had the thing professionally backed.
@@zogwort1522 whoa man, what did melodramatic fanfic writers ever do to you?
Show Writer 1: So, what are these characters like?
Show Writer 2: Gay
Show Writer 1: No...what are they LIKE?
Show Writer 2: Did I stutter?
lmaoooooo
Suit: Why would you stutter?
Writer: I DON'T KNOW.
Suit: Fair enough.
Daniella Fonseca That was the point I hoped to make! Representation is one thing, but if you just stand around and fill a quota, how much more than tokenism is that really?
Toni is bisexual tho, not gay.
CP 781 Not just Tony, I actually meant Kevin 😂 but it’s also not just Riverdale, many series do this
My issue with Kevin is that he’s there so that the riverdale team can say “HEY LOOK WE HAVE A GAY CHARACTER LOOK WE ARE SO SUPPORTIVE AND WOKE. DO YOU SEE IT. DO YOU SEE THE CHARACTER. DO YOU. DO YOU!?” But once they never had any more idea than that. And so he’s so half assed as a character because of it.
Worst part is Kevin actually has an actual, non stereotypical character in the comics while still being gay. Meaning they *downgraded* his character into a stereotype
@Tum Tum this. When I found out that Jughead was actually asexual but deliberately ignored in the tv adaptation I know I'm never gonna watch it. One obvious representation just for representation, and the other being ignored because either a) they don't really believe asexuality is a thing (which is still a huge problem sadly) and/or b) they want sexy times because good shows have sex or something.
George Lister they’ve done a lot with Kevin but he sometimes feels forced to me
Thank you at this point Kevin should just be killed off because there's no plot unlike Cheryl and Toni where it actually makes sense to have the both of them
Yeah, I mean:
One discovers their family is composed by undercover incestuous fascists
Another finds out her whole family has been torn apart by a cult that they to this day thinks will protect them
The other is unfairly put in jail as a scapegoat so the homicide doesn't get in the hands of the mayor that's secretly working on a high level conspiracy, whose daughter is trying to stop by raising in power and influence to then boycott him.
Then you have that guy that's gay for the police officer's son...oh yeah and he helps the others with their things... Sometimes
It always felt like the script was written by some 50-something year old that was exasperated with their teen and taking their frustration out. Like, "And then they would do this selfish thing, because they're an unaware, self-important BRAT." [violent keyboard clacking]
lmaooo
I like how this interpretation would also explain the aro/ace erasure lol.
i mean, you literally described the showrunner
Lord of the Flies is calling
*TAKE THAT, MELISS-I* *mean, VERONICA!*
I feel like there are 2 main types of Riverdale fans:
The fans who watch it for characters like Cheryl (and Cheryl & Toni's relationship)
And the fans who watch it for the cringe and make youtube videos about it so the rest of us don't have to endure said cringe
Jughead's "crown beanie" is actually _remarkably_ faithful to the comics for how far the show can get from them. Jughead's crown isn't cardboard or paper, it's a "whoopee cap".
Back in the '30s and '40s, _every_ man was pretty much expected to wear a hat of _some_ sort, and mechanics and factory workers _especially_ needed hats to keep their heads and hair relatively clean and safe from dust and debris. They preferred beanies because, having no brim, they didn't get caught on or in things and didn't at all cast shadows or obstruct peripheral vision, but the most fashionable hat of the day was the wide-brimmed _fedora,_ so workers would just take their fedora (or, perhaps more likely, _one of_ their _fedoras),_ flip it inside out, and cut the brim according to preference. Some simply cut it off entirely, others with a bit more flair cut it in a zig-zag and flipped it up to make the distinctive crown shape.
In short order, kids (especially boys imitating their fathers and brothers) everywhere started making their own or had theirs handed down to them and decorated them with buttons, pins, ribbons, bottle caps, yadda yadda yadda, and in this children's fashion craze Jughead Jones debuted in 1941.
It's an _extremely_ '20s-'30s-'40s thing for a teen to wear, but yeah, as noted, it's so iconic for Jughead that he's kept it all through the past... what is it now? _78_ years of high school.
Also, do you mind if I steal the term "In-Group Friendcest"?
Anastas1786 oh wow this is really cool. I love jughead
This is single handedly the most interesting thing I'll read all day.
That's such an interesting story. That would never happen these days, cause there's like a million hats to choose from.
78 years of High School?! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Anastas1786 cool info to learn!
Conspiracy: Riverdale is written by watt pad authors.
Hey, even Wattpad fanfiction has better writing 😂
@@pleaselovemeok5906 No it hasn't 😂
That would make too much sense.
I'm about 1000% sure it actually is and its just an experiment to see how many seasons will get picked up.
@@mylesthomas511 All of them. Look at how much money After made!
"Archie cant carry a subplot" IM WHEEZING HE REALLY CANT HIS CHARACTER IS LIKE BARELY 2 DIMENSIONAL
I actually fast forward through his scenes so I don't fall asleep.
@@katieflick888 Lmaoooo and like she said in the vid, its not that he doesnt have a personality but that they dont do anything with it! They could have given him interesting subplots but THEY DIDNT
@@MyFictionalChaos even when he's fighting a bear?
@@r.j.penfold w h A T
@@MyFictionalChaos it was mentioned in the video
the show had so much potential tbh, the characters, the cinematography, the aesthetic, if only they had better writers 🥲
The much better show It's Always Sunny in Philadephia has a similar concept, take a seemingly innocent and cliched premise, sitcoms and the Archie comics, and make it a darkly comedic series while being subversive, but while It's Always Sunny has very smart and talented writers behind it, Riverdale thinks smart writing is just saying "Wow thats dumb or cliched".
That seems like such a good counterexample of how to do a similar thing right, but I haven't seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I've heard they're really good with that. It might be a useful more constructive counterpoint in a future video.
@@QuinnCurio While I'm not a huge fan of a lot of "Subversive" shows they become their own version of a cliche, It's Always Sunny stands out mainly due to the cast and genuine passion they have. These videos by people much smarter than me can explain it better
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Quinn Curio please please please do an analysis on its always sunny in Philadelphia PLEEEEAAAAAASSSSEEEE!
What I love about always sunny is how every episode basically starts out with ''the gang'' being either bored or wanting to make some money, so they decide to do something. And by the end of the episode they've just left this path of destruction behind, ruining people days or sometimes even their lives. They then either deny their part in it or are completely oblivious of their wrongdoing and carry on their lives as usual.
Its completely over the top and insane, but in a weird sort of realistic way. It is also probably the only show I know where people frequently get into arguments while talking at the same time and cutting off each others lines. Its also the reason this show stands out for me so much, because the absolute chaotic mess that Always Sunny brings is so different from all other sitcoms where characters just carefully line up a joke and wait for some other member to deliver the punchline.
And partially because Danny Devito is a gift to humanity.
"there is nothing more amateur than age inappropriate casting"
says the 28 year old guy who is playing a 17 year old teenager
I love Cole Sprouse but yeah that was quite a let down :(
@@toastarkat wasn't Cole Sprouse who said that. It was the actor of kevin.
But I mean, all the actors are way older than their characters
@@helenas7605 Oh I'm a little dumb in the brain sorry
It's sad because Cole sprouts has been playing a kid/teen since he WAS a kid and now is still playing them at 28.
I don't see how an almost 30 year old man walks in to audition as a teenager and the director says 'yes, this is perfect'
Shows like this are the best opportunity to cast up and coming TEENAGERS like, tf.
“He’s just the tallest boy.”
I-
Alley Warren that had me shook ☠️
Betty be doin the shonen protagonist hand squeeze. Sounds like a leather jacket being crushed.
"archie andrews is not the leader and the center of the universe. he is just the tallest boy." hjgkhjgfk
Remember when Supernatural had a pre-planned arc over the first five seasons? Why don’t more shows _do_ that? I guess these CW shows rely a lot on what fans want... a little _too_ much imo.
quality of a show always decrease when writers think about what fans want to see instead of what they need to see.
Acutally, Everything from 1-5 is it's own plot. What people dont seem to notice is that seasons 6-present are also its own plot. Everything adds up. One thing causes another. Season 6 is Cas betrays them, bam leviathans in season 7. Season 7 they killed dick and got the tablet, bam season 8. I can go on and on, but supernatural does make sense. I cant say it isnt as good as the first 5 seasons were, but it still is the best show I ever watched ngl.
It was supposed to end at the 5 year plan but the show was so popular at the time (And still is) that that kind of threw them off a bit so they're just like "Okay, our original writer is gone and we dont have a plan." Yet it still managed to be a great show lol.
Well if a show gets cancelled then...
Is it great as a popcorn binge or as a legitimate "hmm, quite, I evaluate the media" type show? Because I gave up not long after Felicia Day literally walked into Oz
Quick rant here:
Cheryl and Toni's ship name is Choni. Literally a word for underpants. Why isn't it Cheri? Cheryl's main aesthetic is red and cherries, so why didn't they just make it her ship name? It's so obvious, and so dumb.
😂
also cheri is a french petname (masculine form but still) which wouldve been a cool touch
In spanish "choni" is slang for a vulgar, tacky girl XD
Maybe because fans of the show are stupid for watching past episode 2 anyway lol
Maybe they thought it was too similar to cheryl? Idk riverdale writers are on crack so don't bother trying to apply logic to their ideas
We went from milkshakes and mysteries to cult leaders building space rockets, mutant robot moth men, actual bombs and witches. This show has a level of surreal storytelling I’ve only seen in pro wrestling and Mexican telenovelas
I just absolutely hate this show because of the over sexualization of high schoolers. Like its so bad. Also the sexualization of lesbian relationships. and how they ruined heathers
#freetonitopazandcherylblossom
they did heathers wrong so fucking wrong
@@denkishusband3440 LITERALLY
@@denkishusband3440 Heathers does not deserve this treatment ;-;
I feel as though that disgusting adaptation is grounds to blow up their school and stage it as a mass suicide.
Can we address their clothes? Absolutely no one in highschool dresses like this. No school's dress code would even allow it
Edit: I know some schools have different dress codes, you don't have to keep telling me. I am north american. I know now highschool students who would be allowed to dress like this or wealthy enough to afford it.
I always wear dresses and heels to school, but like you said, they were crop tops and 7 inch heels, our school would NEVER let us do that
i can understand this compared to other teen dramas
because their clothes somewhat have the cartoony vibe that a comic would have thats acceptable because this is based off of the comics
but most over teen dramas try to depict themselves as realistic but still wear these clothes
my school did
My school dress code was jeans and white t-shirt. Nothing other than sneakers allowed.
Atleast their clothes look good lol
Judhead in comics: best boi
Judhead in show: cringe, actually they all are
X plosion the show is literally for cringy, edgy, emo teenage girls, or 30 year old virgins
Jughead in the comics: 🤥
Jughead in Riverdale: If you haven’t noticed, I’m weird😳 I’m a weirdo. I don’t 🤪 fit in 🤓 and I don’t want to fit in 😎 Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat? 👑 that’s weird!🎩😔🤪🤩
Jughead in comics: *give me burger*
I mean the best thing about Jughead in Riverdale tv show is the actor Cole Sprouse
When I first saw Jughead in the first episode (I didn't finish it, though) I almost mistook him for Dilton. Because Dilton is the type of person who would be on his laptop a lot. And I was expecting Jughead to have a burger on his hand. But I wasn't expecting the whole show to look dark and edgy.
Riverdale is just an edgy bottom of the barrel romance Wattpad Y/N fanfic mixed with another edgy bottom of the barrel horror creepy pasta fanfic Both written by 12 year olds
I read this as “Riverdale is just an edgy bottom” and was about to be offended on behalf of edgy bottoms. Then I read to the end and was offended on behalf of 12 year olds.
You’re right though.