NEW Arch BISHOP of the Syro MALABAR Church RIDICULES Latin CATHOLICS ?
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Every Eastern Catholic Church has a mission to its own people and also to others. The vision that the Major Archbishop has is not surprising and is actually in line, and in fact, an obligation of being part of the Universal Church.
My Concern was the Arch Bishop Comparing the Latin rite to the Syrian Rite
I see where you are coming from, but I would hardly consider what he said, a comparison as such. :-) He is highlighting the reality of SMCs in the diaspora and their pastoral needs, which is something other Churches like the Ukrainians, Maronites, and Melkites have done decades ago.
Can you stop being a Latin rite supremacist? Tradition is not "language" as you just said, the East Syriac Liturgy is Syriac tradition and not Malayalam. He is right when he said that Latins have lost tradition, look at Latin Chuches in the West.
He clearly said that Syro Malabars should give a hand to the Latin rite, how is it derogatory?
exactly, he keeps acting like the Latin rite is superior. I know a couple people like that, who think Latin = Catholic, and that it is the only correct Catholic rite. "Why not merge with latin catholic" is what he keeps saying. A fool, truly.
With all due respect i want to point out few things. The first migrant diocese of the syro malabar church was the diocese of kalyan to which i belong. Our parents obviously attend the malayalam mass but generations after that failed to grasp malayalam easily hence we have english mass for the youth in many of our parishes or atleast occasionally. We also have marathi and hindi mass for those who joined the syro malabar church for the sons and daughters of the land. Hence what bishop is saying is that Syro Malabar is not just a Malayalam church but a church which is diverse and even caters to the needs of all the syro Malabar catholics whose mother tongue isnt malayalam.
Your tilte itself is wrong. "Malayalam Catholic Church"? What is that. We are a Syriac Language Church which accepts Popes primacy.Malayalam is the liturgical language of the church only for the past 60 years.Liturgical language was Syriac Aramaic till 1960s till the second Vatican council. Majority of the current people who are part of this church uses Malayalam in day to day life.In the past day to day language of the people was proto-tamil langauge before 10th century.In coming generations may be majority of people will speak another langauge. Still the Church is Syriac Church that accepts the Holy See of Peter.
East syriac is the liturgical language of Syro malabar church. Vatican 2 promotes vernacular languages, thus malayalam being one of many vernacular languages. The archbishop simply stressed on adding more vernacular languages for qurbana as many have spread around the world and the later generations began to assimilate with the culture and the followers simply aren't just malayalam speakers anymore in the world.
@johnkcutter9809 may I ask where in the documents of V2 do we see the promulgation of vernacularisation of the liturgy?
Bishop is spot on in expressing concerns of migrant syro malabar Catholics especially outside India . And how do we know that ? We have sat with him face to face and discussed at lengths on this topic .
Joseph - have you discussed about this topic with anyone before posting this content ? Do you truly understand the concerns of syromalabar faithful especially outside India ? If not why use such click bait language ? To say he is looking down on Latin church is 100% made up in your imaginative mind that needs more UA-cam clicks . That’s it ! How else could you come up with such a title ?
Did he say if the Migrants don’t uphold the Traditions of the Syrian Rite they will become like Latin Catholics? Do u think that’s a fair statement?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia
He was specifically talking about the state of the Latin Church, not Latin Catholics.
And whether or not you like it, it's a fact that Latin Church has been facing a huge crisis since the fall of tradition and the majority of Latin Catholics don't even believe in basic Catholic dogmas such as transubstantiation.
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia It is a fair statement. In Kerala, even today, there are Syrian Christian families who have become incorporated into the Latin Church because proper pastoral care from the SMC was unavailable. His Beatitude is speaking a reality here.
And the Syro Malabar Church is not ?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia I said "because proper pastoral care WASN'T available". It is available now, thanks to the establishment of proper administrative and pastoral structures (We are forever grateful to the Holy Father and his predecessors for that). We have rectified the problems in Kerala and aim to do so in other parts of the world. Hence, the words of HB The Major Arch-Bishop!
The Liturgy of Addai and Mari (or the Holy Qurbana of Mar Addai and Mar Mari) is the Eucharistic liturgy belonging to the East Syriac Rite and was historically used in the Church of the East of the Sasanian (Persian) Empire. This liturgy is traditionally attributed to Saint Addai (disciple of Saint Thomas the Apostle) and Saint Mari (a disciple of Saint Addai). It is currently in regular use in the Assyrian Church of the East of Iraq (including its archdiocese the Chaldean Syrian Church of India), the Ancient Church of the East of Iraq, the Syro-Malabar Church of India, and the Chaldean Catholic Church of Iraq. The latter two are Eastern Catholic churches in full communion with the Holy See of Rome.
The Anaphora of Addai and Mari is similar to the ancient eucharistic rite of the Didache, belonging to "a primordial era" before the Words of Institution were made standard across other anaphoras.The Anaphora of Addai and Mari is perhaps the only anaphora in continuous use by an apostolic church since its establishment.The anaphora that is part of this liturgy is of particular interest, being one of the oldest in Christianity, possibly dating back to 3rd-century Edessa,[even if the outline of the current form can only be traced as far back as the time of the Patriarch Ishoyahb III in the 7th century.
This is not accurate. Any Eastern Catholic Church, irrespective of its Eastern rite, has a mission to its own people, but as a Catholic Church, it is entitled and in fact, obliged to evangelise and spread the Catholic faith. The Catholic Church subsists in every Eastern Catholic Church and the vision of Vatican II envisages that Latin Catholics can receive the sacraments and ministry from other Eastern Catholic Churches. Many of my own parishioners are Latin-Rite Catholics. Are we saying that they are "sub-par" Catholics?
I think your comments about Mar Raphael Thattil's statement was too uncharitable.
He is not looking down on the Latin Church, he was merely implying that loss of tradition in the Latin Church seems to have caused the current state of the Latin Church, a Church which has lost a huge portion of its members since the last few decades and in which, heresies like rejection of transubstantiation is widespread. You can disagree with his conclusions but that's a valid conclusion of the statistics. The Latin Church is definitely not doing well.
About your comments on tradition, did you forget that Humans are social animals and so traditions influence us a lot? By making the most important and most intimate form of worship much more simplistic and most importantly, reducing its length greatly, we have created a culture in which the reverence for the Eucharist is decreasing among the new generations. I'm saying that as a Gen Z btw. Liturgical simplification was done with good intentions, but it clearly didn't help the Church much and instead, seems to have accelerated the decline of relevance of the Eucharist in our society. We didn't change the length of other prayers. So what was the need for reducing the length of the highest form of worship? By rejecting the tradition, we have created a culture that looks down on traditions in general and that just made it much easier for the anti theist Atheists and Agnostic preachers condemn religion also as a tradition and make religion seem "outdated" in the minds of the young generations.
I do agree with your points @holyromanemperor420.
Joseph I don't think your views are right about syro malabar. The way you are putting is we should leave the syro malabar once we step out of Kerala?
@@life24612 Yea he does seem to put it that way
Many of my friends that are Latin Catholics who want to get more serious about their faith go to Traditional Latin Mass or Novus Ordo that restore back things like altar rails, communion on the tongue, beautiful artwork and statues etc. These Church traditions go beyond any one particular culture or community while those communities may still have their own unique cultural flavor, for example Mexican Latin Catholics having greater devotion to Guadalupe while Polish Latin Catholics are devoted to Czestochowa .
Which views are not correct ?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia
I was talking about your response to his Beatitude's brief comment on the state of the Latin Church.
JD, You are not properly informed in this matter.. Pls learn the history of Syro Malabara church and the Churches in India before the arrival of Portuguese! Syro Malabar church was founded by Apostle Thomas, and was in full communion with Assyrian Church of East and later with Chaldean Catholic church. Only after the arrival of Portuguese in 1400s, church started to have communion with the Latin church after establishment of Latin rite and its diocese in India, and as Portuguese flexed its political muscles on the church in Diamber Synod. You are saying as if Syro Malabar was branched out from Latin rite, but on the contrary it got into union with Roman Catholic with the influence of Portuguese, and later became a sui iuris Church!
Whats your point ?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndiaThe point is you should do proper research before putting videos. You don’t understand the diversity of Catholic Church. God bless you
@@SongonFirecatholicIndiaBefore making videos study history in detail.
Most of the saints whom we revere are formed in Latin church
Syro malabar is a missionary church and while involving in the missionary activities, the church has to follow the local language and culture.And also we need to care for our migrant faithful.Many of our children who are born in the European countries does not know the Malayalam language.
This is why we need syriac as a language so that it can be universally used like the use of latin in roman rite
Then why not join the syriac orthodox church?.After all the syriac orthodox church is also apostolic and founded by Jesus Christ through his Apostle Peter.
@@aaronzac268
Because we aren't Syriac Orthodox. We are East Syriac Christians, Church of the East
@@aaronzac268Syriac Orthodox are West Syriacs.The Malankara Catholic Church also uses West Syriac.However Syro Malabar is East Syriac.
@@evanssamuelbiju4315 The Malankara orthodox Syrian church(MOSC) also known as the Indian orthodox church uses both the eastern as well as the Western dialects of the Syriac language, but Syriac Orthodox of Antioch uses only the Western dialect of the Syriac language. However the church of the East, which are historically the Assyrian church and chaldean church use the Assyrian language which is the parent language of Syriac language.
@@aaronzac268 we fought to keep our east syriac liturgy the liturgy of mar addai and mar mari.
we were originally under the chaldean catholic church before the portugese and caramelites and then the puthenkooter misstaken bishop gregorius adbal jaleel as a east syriac bishop and then under baselius shakkerullah qasabgi enforced monophysitim and the west syriac liturgy which Thoma VI (dionisius 1) was against.
Catholicity is universality, not uniformity.
I agree with you ! That was not the argument I was making
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia You knew very little about liturgy and individual churches. Learn about it.
For your information: till Pope Francis Syro Malabar was restricted to proclaim gospel outside the Syro Malabar Diocese premise and now Pope Francis taken out all restrictions of syro Malabar and Church is actively involved in evangelisation and many non Malayali people are part of Syro Malabar Church. In some places(in my personal understanding) Latin Church ( priests still in the hangover of European untouchability), was existed for long years and hardly less than 100 catholics and within in 2 years more than thousand baptised with mature faith.
Syro Malabar church was the back bone of Latin church India because you can seen that more than 10000 priests and 20000 nuns from Syro Malabar church who serves for Latin dioceses and Latin congregations . Syro Malabar church only get permission in 2017 from Rome for the pastor service all over India . Latin church intentionally delayed the permission to Syro Malabar church for pastoral services all over India because Latin church need to grow and need priests and nuns from Syro Malabar church to run the mission Latin dioceses in India . And also thousands of Syro Malabar priests and nuns is services in Latin diocese all over world
Delayed permission for pastoral services ? What does that even mean ??
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia I ask you to study history of syro-malabar church before making videos on these issues. Syro-malabar church was under latin church from 1599 till 1890s .And it remained more less as a latin rite varient church till 1960s. Pius 11 actually separated syro-malabar church from the latin diocese against the wishes of Indian latin bishops who ruled over us till then. Even after that syro-malabars were not allowed to build churches outside Kerala or reclaim our east-syriac liturgy(which Popes did anyway against Indian catholic bishops by 1986) and we have priests like Fr Bosco who were persecuted by latin bishops for writing to ROme for getting permission .
It's a shame only in 2017 we got freedom to build churches outside Kerala without asking latin hierarchy. Being an eastern catholic in catholic church feels like a persecution of it's own sometimes
The Syro Malabar Church traces its history to the evangelisation of St Thomas the Apostle so it has existed long before Malayalam even became a language. Secondly, a Church is not a geographic entity or linguistic entity but a community of believers. The Syro Malabar Church is the Syro Malabar believers so when Syro Malabar Catholics emigrate to the US, the Syro Malabar Church becomes established in the US.
If churches were geographically bound entities why has the latin church expanded beyond the former latin speaking regions of the Roman empire.
Syro Malabar Church is not a Malayalam Church it’s a Syriac Church with East Syrian Liturgical Tradition
What a stupid act of removing Malayalam as a tradition ......they can use English.
@@jollyjohn5820Malayalam was added, not removed, after 2nd Vatican Council.Till then it was Syriac(Aramaic) language.
I thought that the Syro-Malabar Church traditionally used the Syriac language and that it wasn't until the 60s or 70s that they started having liturgies in Malayalam
You are correct. This person have made this video without proper study. The Syro Malabar church still have the east Syriac language holy qurbana, but since Malayalam is vernacular it's popular.
No offense but I am a Syrian Catholic living in the UK and the sole reason for me and many other young Syro Malabar Catholics attending the Latin mass is the english language. Mar Raphael Thattil is right about changing from malayalam to the vernacular outside Kerala because the Syro Malabar Church is not a malayalam Church.
Better to make apology than trying to make excusing defences. Please don't act superior to any other churches. This is the cause of the problem going on in syro Malabar church in Kerala the pharisaic thoughts of the caldian wing
Hi, so I am a Syro Malabar Catholic born and raised in the United States (Philadelphia specifically), mid-20s. I think you’re taking bishop’s comments about having Qurbana on other languages a little incorrectly. Here in the US, a lot of people come to Syro church but because it’s more of a cultural center for them: they see other Malayalis, they can participate in their cultural activities, etc. So what has happened is that because young people will naturally be more drawn to the culture of where they are (in this case, the larger US culture) we have less and less young people come to Syro church as time goes on. When bishops says we are not a Malayalam church, part of that (in my opinion) is saying how we are not a church just because of our culture (in this case Malayalam culture) but because of our Syriac traditions and history. If the Syro malabar church will exist outside of India, it needs to be embraced because of its church traditions, not its cultural traditions, if that makes sense. So here in the Chicago eparchy, every parish is required to have English Qurbana on Sundays. I know so many people who would never come to Syro Malabar church if it wasn’t for this; I myself can’t speak Malayalam. I can completely see myself only going to a Latin church if Qurbana was only in Malayalam. Also, if we only had Qurbana in Malayalam, I doubt our syro churches would exist after 2-3 generations here in the US. I don't see it as some sort of compromise to have Qurbana in different languages, but rather a natural progression of our Syro Malabar church.
Just to emphasize, we should put emphasis on church tradition, not purely cultural tradition. This is not to be dismissive of cultural tradition because we cannot deny the fact that we are Malayali, and so we should do all the cultural things we do! But when that becomes the reason why we go to Syro church, we lose sight of what makes the Syro church Syro. I would like to add that one of the first things the Diocesan Youth Apostolate of the Chicago eparchy did here in the US was make a push for English Qurbana because we identified this real need in our young people and community. By allowing the Qurbana to be in English, it’s allowed me to embrace my tradition and culture more! Which again for me is significant because I can’t even speak Malayalam.
I really hope he sees your comment. He is not being fair to Mar Raphael about what he has observed. Mar Raphael has been to the US few times and has seen it firsthand. He does make a good point about language since that is not the only reason people dont come to Syro Malabar but it certainly can be a reason like you mentioned in your comment. The history of the St Thomas Christians actually show that the Christian faith founded by St Thomas spanned from the middle east, down to India and all the way to China. The traditions of our Church is universal and not confined to a specific demographic that speaks a certain language. The last few hundred years show that St Thomas Christians of Kerala were restricted to the Malabar region and only recently was allowed to spread all over. Other Eastern Rites are predominantly ethnic and cater to them but you can observe that in places like the US, their unique tradition has spread to other people from different backgrounds. In Kansas City, there is a Ruthenian Byzantine church that was founded by Eastern Europeans but today may only have a few families of that group and the rest are Latin Rite catholics and converts from other faiths finding a home in the Byzantine tradition. The Latin Rite is not the only Rite that can be a missionary church that draws in people from all backgrounds. In order for the Syro Malabar Church to do this, it has to dig deeper into its Syriac roots so that it may form a culture that is liturgically based and not primarily malayalee cultural.
Then why not merge with the Latin Church ? I dont understand the need for a separate rite outside of India ?
The Holy See understands it well. That's why there are 2 archeparchies and 16 eparchies of Eastern Catholic churches in United States alone.
@@SongonFirecatholicIndiaPlease read the Catholic Church's official document on Eastern Catholic Church 'Orientalium Ecclasaiarum' before commenting like this. Eastern Catholics have the right to protect their liturgy and tradition.
www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html
The Pope has instructed the indigenous churches to follow their traditions in a unified manner...
Don't forget that the syro Malabar church people were brought up by the generous contribution of the Latin church, and still getting it in many places
Examples?????
So what? The Latin Church in eastern states like Odisha, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand etc were built from scratch by Syro Malabar missionary priests. Without us there won't be any Latin Church in regions outside of where the European missionaries preached.
Syro malabar nasrani community is a prominent community in Kerala and the SMC was not brought up by Latin church but the Syriac liturgy was destroyed by latin missionaries
Syro Malabar and syro malankara both rites already have Tamil liturgy. And not confined to Malayalam. Thomas came to Kerala coast and travelled all the way to Chennai. He preached and started churches in almost 3 states and 3 languages.
It is not the wish of Mar Thattil but the mind & soul of the Vatican Il. It is not the plan of Mar Thattil.
The Syro Malabar Church has non malayalee converts. The thucklay diocese has a lot of tamil converts and even the bishop of the thucklay diocese Bishop Rajendran Kochunadar is a tamil. The diocese of Adilabad is full of telugu converts. So don't think that the Syro Malabar Church is an ethno-church full of mallus.
Very appalling. You know nothing about the Catholic Church and its traditions and you pretend to be its follower and propagater.
Let not short bursts of Social Media fame get too far into your head. Remain grounded and try towards building faith.
We will Pray for you.
Learn history and about SyroMalabar Church and never try to get in between words to put your interpretation , if you really Love somebody you will make attempts to understand them first before you react.
Don't Crown yourself.
Dear brother, what is important for us, is NOT evangelization, but power, position & money. Without this trinity, we cease to exist. Praying for our Church 🙏🏼
One thing I never understand is why this guy has his eyes fixed on Syro Malabar church without even knowing the history of the church and how many sui iris churches are there in the Catholic Church. On every issues created by media this guy has something to comment out of ignorance on the Syro Malabar Church. Dude get your eyes off. We will deal with our issues. If you want to work with us in the vineyard we are open. For rest all issues please focus in your Church.
Because he has the Latin supermacy attitude of Portuguese. He just can't stand the fact the st thomas christians have been in here since 2000 years with rich traditions.
Dear brother
First you must know syro malabar church is not something about the language Malayalam……so Arch bishop wanted to include all not just Kerala…..tradition is not language it is the rite the way adoration and rituals are conducted ..language is not tradition …it is a part of tradition true…but not necessary part…u must know how 24 different rites exist which is not based on different languages…dude Latin church had Latin language as tradition then why did they change it to English in many places…same logic…I agree your doubts are okay but before taking it to media know church…and then try criticizing….anyways do your homework bro
It was unfair to make a comparison. In fact till recently all the migrants were taken care by the Latin churches in their own respective places. And keralites were given important responsibilities. Plucking them from those responsible duties have created lots of wounds on both sides. Time has to heal it
Dude your introduction of the Cardinal and where he comes from took up half of the video space x :D
Dear Joseph, You have definitely taken Bishop's words incorrectly. Even in Bangalore, many of our Syro Malabar youngsters have moved away from Syro Malabar Qurbana because of language issues. And as Syro Malabar church has members from Tamil Nadu, Andhra, North India etc. One of your sentence indicates that you want the SyroMalabar church to confine only to Malayalam
Are Non Mallus attending the Syro Malabar Mass in Andhra, Tamil Nadu and North India?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia Dear Joseph, Yes. For example you search for "Diocese of Chanda" in youtube itself, you will realize. Similarly, there are a large group of non mallus in Thuckaly Diocese and Coimbatore where original Tamil people are members of Church.
@@SongonFirecatholicIndiaMany non- malayalis are a part of the Syro Malabar Catholic Church. The following are epadchies for Non-Malayalis
1.Thuckalay(Tamil),
2. Adilabad (Telugu),
3.Chanda(Marathi),
4.Satna, Sagar, Ujjain, Jagdalpur, Bijnor, Gorakhpur(Hindi)
5. Punjab Mission of Faridabad Eparchy
6. Parts of Bhadravati(Kannada)
Those people were evangelised in the last 100 years. Mar George Rajendran the Bishop of Thuckalay has baptized only around 10 years of age along with his family.
So please don't underestimate the Syro Malabar Catholic Church and it's Missionary activities.
Brother you are Meddaling in things which you have no control over. I don't understand is why are you creating controversy, when there is none regarding the above Church matter, that you mentioned? English Syro-malabar Mass is not some new thing but has been there for over some time and its a good thing for non Malayalam speakers. It's not what you are describing of some 'New Rite' that was made today but as you mentioned a Translation of the Holy Mass from Malayalam. I came to know and Love the Holy Mass, the Church more by attending English Translation of the Syro-malabar Holy Mass. Stop being so suspicious of Something which is not there with your digs at everyone and with your Why, why, questions everyday. Let those already struggling the Laity be obedient and at peace may submit to it's proper Authority. Languages are to communicate not to divide us. Those who want to know the Church Better and are Blessed have been already Learning their Traditions and its Orgins of their Traditional Liturgical rite and it's orgin Languages. Let them be at peace too.
Also Church is not shrinking but grown more than ever before, Latin or the other 23 church's. You're living in some Bubble, if you believe its shrinking. Come out of it. Proclaim the kingdom by not not taking digs at everyone but giving the Kerigma people need for salvation.
Peace of Christ be with you!🙏🏻
God bless!😇
1. Seperate rite because the tradition is rooted in St. Thomas the apostle.
Hello bro, why have your videos become less frequent? Any issue?
Here is the list of rites that are integral parts of the one, Holy, Catholic and apostolic Church:
Latin Church with Latin liturgical traditions
Eastern Catholic Churches with particular liturgical traditions:
Alexandrian liturgical tradition:
Coptic Catholic Church
Ethiopian Catholic Church
Eritrean Catholic Church
Antiochian liturgical tradition:
Maronite Church
Syrian Catholic Church
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
Armenian liturgical tradition:
Armenian Catholic Church
Chaldean or East Syrian liturgical tradition:
Chaldean Catholic Church
Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
Byzantine liturgical tradition:
Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
Byzantine Church of Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro
Greek Byzantine Catholic Church
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
Melkite Greek Catholic Church
Romanian Church United with Rome, Greek-Catholic
Russian Greek Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church
Slovak Greek Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
Dear brother, I used to hear ur vedio. The way u expres ur comments are irritating due to ur litte knowledge of universal church. Personal revelation as per ur conversion is far away from church doctrine and theology.
Brother be charitable. Syro-Malabar used be a multi cultural and multi ethnic church spread over all india including present day Goa, Tamil Nadu, Orissa, Sri lanka and so on but governed from present day kerala through a Archbishop-Archdeacon governance. However church had started to loss through late middle ages due to regional wars and also crisis in Persia where the Patriach was not sending a bishop for long period and reduced ordinations. We even went to Rome to request the Pope to tell the Patriach for a bishop. Many had converted to Hinduism and Islam by the time when portugese arrived and they ( portugese) supressed the rite under them. It is only recent that Syro-Malabar regained their near full territory.
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The first thing you had to do before making this waste of 10 minutes was to learn to pronounce the name of the new Major Arch Bishop properly. Then learn about the History and Tradition of the Syro Malabar Church and the growth of Christianity in India. Syriac heritage existed in India long before the Malayalam language came into being.
Ya but the Malayalees have turned the Syro Malabar church into a Mallu Church.
you clearly do not know the hsitory of the syro malabar catholic church
do not call our east syriac litugy a "random tradition" we have been using the east syriac liturgy since the 300s when we were under the church of the east and after the schism of 1552 we were under the chaldean catholic church.
we were the first catholics in india before the portugese and jesuits came and forcefully latinised our liturgy.
we fought to keep maintain the east syriac ancient traditions for centuries
after the koonan cross oath,angamaly padiola which our ancestors signed to maintain our east syriac heritage and communion with rome,our priest martyred like mar joseph kariattil kathanar and mar ikkako kathanar, missionary activities from the syrian orthodox church who enforced west syriac and monophysitism,from the assyrian church of the east and from the british missionaries we continued to fight for a separate church under rome and keeping our east syriac heritage.
in 1923 we were separated from the archdiocese of verapoly and the syro malabar hierarchy established.
also roman catholics in kerala use the malayalam language and your calling our church the malayalam catholic church?
our qurbana and prayers have been translated from east syriac to malayalam in the 2nd vatican council.
mar papa francis is telling the syro malabar church to remove all latinisation, keep our east syriac identity and liturgy and use ad orientem so as catholics i suggest listening to the pope and follow his instructions.
Pope John Paul 2, defines the identity of Syro Malabar Church with these words, addressing her bishops in 1980,
"In you I sense the presence here of the whole Syro-Malabar Church, this Eastern and authentically Indian Church..."
As a Syro-Malabar Catholic, it is my earnest desire that mostly Malayalam dominated Church look broadly into India and consider themselves as members of the Indian Church, for the mission of the Church is no different from the mission Christ entrusted to his disciple, St. Thomas. And St.Thomas was neither Malayalee nor Syrian Catholic. He came to plant the simple faith in Jesus, in the Indian context.
Do your home work well before you speak bro 🙏. I think u are not aware of past things happened in Bangalore n other cities when we were using church for our mass . They used to switch off mikes . Request you be confident what you speak , instead of hurting sentiments of other oriental Catholics . We have our own traditions , prayers not similarly go with Latin . This has been in our blood . You cannot understand n this given from our fore fathers 🙏.
Please read
Erga migrantes caritas Christi
(The love of Christ towards migrants) by John Paul II
Specifically the section on
Eastern Rite Catholic migrants.
You arguments for Syro Malabar churches to only exist within Kerala are poor
"young catholics prefer latin rite over syriac rite " - please provide evidence !!
" I dont understand what some random tradition got to do with this" - the Tradition is speaking of the Sacred Tradition which has been passed on for 2000 years in the Syro Malabar Church.
Essentially the need for Syro Malabar churches outside Kerala is as much as a pastoral duty as well as a spiritual duty.
The mistake is also partially with the Latin Church because it takes the vocations from the Smch. Thus they want to Latinise the SMCHURCH.
1) Throughout the video you kept citing language as a reason for the existence of the Syro Malabar Church and I am afraid to say that it is completely wrong. The Syro Malabar Church exists because of its apostolic foundation. We have our unique rite, which is a form of expression of our faith and we too have the obligation for evangelisation.
2) The Major Arch Bishop's statement about changing the language focuses on a) Syro Malabar Youth born in English speaking countries, b) the people (young and old) who have emigrated to places outside Kerala c) on non-malayali Syro Malabar Christians and d) our own evangelism. English can be used as a common language to cater to many at the same time. We already have our Qurbana translated into several Indian languages and to English. We aim to preserve our rite and traditions and you keep conflating tradition with language. We too evangelise and English is a useful language for spreading the gospel.
3) Of all the reasons you have given in your point number 2, except the issue of proximity of churches, I personally cannot agree with other reasons. It takes 1:30 hours +/- 30 mins on Sundays and 30-40 mins on weekdays for our Qurbana, which isn't technically too long ( we have priests who finish it faster than the above given time). Please realise that there are masses in different languages in Latin Churches across the Western World which caters to immigrants who speak those languages.
3) As far as your "final question" (from 4:46 onwards) is concerned, you seem to have the misconception that the Syro Malabar church is something made just for Malayalees and the Latin Church is responsible for everyone else. The Syro Malabar Church doesn't cater to a specific linguistic group and it isn't confined to just one state. You can give rest to that thought. Bishop Mar Raphel expects the Syro Malabar Youth to attend our Church to keep our traditions (not language), our rite, our way of life, our experience of Christian life , our expression of Christian faith and our beautiful liturgy (as beautiful and meaningful as the Latin rite) alive and to pass it on to the next generation. It is our right and our mandate. We take it seriously. With love, I must say that your perspective (from 5:15) isn't correct.
4) The statement which you found unfair and derogative to Latin Catholics is factual but you perceiving the statement as derogatory is simply because of your misconception. There was a time when our priests used to wear Latin vestments and say a highly latinised version of liturgy. If we don't follow our rites and traditions, we will become a part of the Latin rite. Many Eastern Catholic Churches face similar problems. His Beatitude didn't say that the Latin Catholics are not practising the faith as astutely as Syro Malabarians. You are just making it up. Our objections are not because Latin practices are wrong or because we consider them beneath us; but because they are simply incongruent with our rite. The Holy Father, his predecessors and the entire Catholic Church ask Eastern Churches to be mindful of their traditions and customs.
tl;dr, this individual keeps mistaking language as the sole reason for the existence of the Syro Malabar Church and the title of this video is misleading. The only offence caused here is imaginary.
So what is the need of the Syro Malabar rite ? Why not merge with the Latin Church ?
It's not about rites.it's about god's love.
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It IS about rites. Stop reducing the effect of the different Apostolic traditions. We are human beings. No matter what, we always follow and think from a certain cultural view. Even modern culture is a culture. If we too look down on traditions, you should not be surprised to see a mass apostasy among the youth since we have created a culture that despises traditions and it was only a matter of time till they also start despising Catholicism as a bunch of traditions.
That's why one of the most common sentiments among the youth who are away from the Church is "it's 2024, you still believe in that?".
Now the question is what culture and tradition we shall follow. Shall we follow one that was created by a few rich influencers that is full of degeneracy or shall we follow authentically Christian traditions founded on Apostolic tradition?
Not saying that one cannot be a good Christian without traditions, but in general, dismissing tradition as outdated has only harmed the Church.
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia Aha! What is the need of the Latin Church here in India? Why don't you merge with us? After all, we were here first 😎! Not even trads in the Roman Church go such lengths to undermine Eastern Churches. But you, with your contempt for traditions, are questioning our inherent right to exist!
@@holyromanemperor420 I am the one who obeys apostolic teaching and following rich catholic traditions. I am not away from my church therefore there 24 rites in catholic Church both east&west I respect both custom& traditional views.
Can you have a courage to make video on Dalit Christians protest caste discrimination in Latin Catholic Church in Tamil Nadu .”
Mary John, president of the DCLM, as saying
“Nepotism and discrimination are happening, particularly in Tamil Nadu and Pondicherry, where only non-Dalit bishops and archbishops have been appointed during the past 15 years. There is only one Dalit bishop in the 18 Catholic dioceses in the region even though Dalits comprise about 75 percent of the Catholics here, making their representation negligible. This situation has continued for decades.
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5:23 why is the latin church conducting mass in hindi, tamil etc.. why don't they just stop in English or other European languages (why don't the latin church focus on serving the european community and empower them to be shining light..?)
Many non- malayalis are a part of the Syro Malabar Catholic Church. The following are epadchies for Non-Malayalis
1.Thuckalay(Tamil),
2. Adilabad (Telugu),
3.Chanda(Marathi),
4.Satna, Sagar, Ujjain, Jagdalpur, Bijnor, Gorakhpur(Hindi)
5. Punjab Mission of Faridabad Eparchy
6. Parts of Bhadravati(Kannada)
Those people were evangelised in the last 100 years. Mar George Rajendran the Bishop of Thuckalay has baptized only around 10 years of age along with his family due to Missionary activity of the Syro Malabar Priests.
So please don't underestimate the Syro Malabar Catholic Church and it's Missionary activities.
That’s absolutely false ! They are all Mallus who either migrated or born and brought up there
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia
That's not false, it's the truth.
Syro Malabar Church gives out the most amount of missionaries after the Latin Church. There is a surplus of Priests and Seminarians in the Syro Malabar Church that many are being transferred to the Latin Church of Western Europe.
Syro Malabar Church(Nasrani Church) had influence all over India, not just Kerala. Also, Kerala, for most of history, was under Tamil and these two states have a deep cultural, linguistic, and historian connection. That's why some of the 7½ Churches established by St Thomas are in Tamil Nadu.
Before colonialism, the Nasrani Church extended to all of India and created many Christian hubs in North India and Central India.
The Nasrani Church has a long history of evangelisation that started declining since the rise of Muslim rule in North India(which were not very tolerant of Christians), European colonialism, and the crisis in our sister Church in Persia.
Infact, it was through the help of the Nasrani Church that the Church of the East was able to reach as far as even China. The Assyrian missionaries were able to reach China using the spice trade connection between China and Kerala.
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia ua-cam.com/video/cyW6By8sW4E/v-deo.htmlsi=BOY7xzotB5fQoUPR. Open your eyes and see the missionary activities of the Syro Malabar Catholic Church
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia ua-cam.com/video/ChZNgwT6T7E/v-deo.htmlsi=4OxlxmSNdDLQ3qep. Thuckalay Eparchy mission
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia ua-cam.com/video/T77eBhRK36g/v-deo.htmlsi=QCwh9au3kIZ6UMtL. Telugu speaking Syro Malabar Catholics of the Eparchy of Adilabad
You dont need to worry about these things. Maran Mar Rapheal Thattil is my neighbour and was my Bishop and we knew him.
Be calm and fight for the One Holy Catholic church for a good cause.
Prayers for the Syro Malabar Church. GODS Divine Spirit lead them to Be a sanctified holy People.
Bro, sorry if you felt hurt but he is not referring to the Latin-rite catholics in India, Africa or South America. But to the Latin Catholics who have largely fallen away from the faith in the west. Maybe he should have said the European Church or the Catholic Church in the Anglosphere.
FYI, Syrian Catholics dont have a supremacist attitude towards the Latin Church. We see the Latin Church as our our own Church. Most of the saints we venerate are Latin saints. We love it like we love our Syro Malabar Church. This is coming from a Syro Malabar Catholic who grew up attending the Latin mass in a western country.
Iam the wine and you are its branches….without Jesus how can it bear fruits…how can the leader downgrade the wine it attach to and pretend the branch better…Syro Malabar church struggles to keep its identity in Catholic Church…Serve God first…Keep aside your deep rooted separation based on caste and creed..
Your knowledge about the catholic church is so little and you are not aware about the individual churches in the Catholic Church. For such interviews you should be knowledgeable about these matters
Yes you are right , these internet Catholics have little, scarce knowledge about the real world
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Angane paranj koduk
When they fight they will go to Latin mass. Onnum kodukkanda, Kettal mathi
@@josephdevasia3921 Hye entha macha, Latin ishtam ullavar Latin potte, malankara ishtam ullavar avideyum, Malabar ishtam ullavar angottum
I agree with you brother as a Syro Malabar Christian, that celebrating liturgy in English will not make new generation to flok into the church.
I agree with you that the younger flock into Latin mass due short duration, proximity and all that you pointed out.
Whatever good or bad is happens in Latin church is also there in syro Malabar chruch.
You made good analysis
In the west, so in America, Canada, UK and Australia etc 2nd generation Syro Malabar Christians are not fluent in Malayalam and even if they are fluent it is difficult for them to understand the sanskritinized Malayalam of the qurbana. So, it is absolutely necessary to switch to English in western countries. In western countries our young people love our Church and traditions and want to preserve it.
In the west, so in America, Canada, UK and Australia etc 2nd generation Syro Malabar Christians are not fluent in Malayalam and even if they are fluent it is difficult for them to understand the sanskritinized Malayalam of the qurbana. So, it is absolutely necessary to switch to English in western countries. In western countries our young people love our Church and traditions and want to preserve it.
We must fight to bring back the Traditional Latin Mass, the Mass of the Ages, which true and authentic Catholic Mass, which was celebrated by our Saints. What we celebrate now comes from Protestantism.
Yes many in West and even Asia, Latin Catholics are leaving the church....dued the confusing teaching, scandals, etc.
Islam is growing the West too.
Maybe the Bishop should introduce arabic
So introducing Arabic will solve all the problems ?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia so you don't want the official worship of holy Catholics church which is Holy Quraban or Holy Mass in Arabic?
What went wrong in Latin church ?
Syro Malabar Christians have a general view that they're more pure Christians and Latin catholics are in some way a watered down version.
Bishop Thattil bewails the sorry state of 'whatever has happened to the Latin church', the discontinuation and discouragement of the celebration of the Eucharist in Latin, the ancient classical and ecclesiastic Latin of St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, and Pope Benedict. As a shepherd, he feels the pangs of intense grief over the lost Latin tradition. As a true and faithful 'traditionis custos' his loving heart beats for the 'lost' Latin church, he is ready to bear the cross of his own remaining sheep to save the lost, the burden is not light because it is not a solitary lost sheep, it is a multitude.
In a digitally nomadic and increasingly connected world, a global and more open and honest practice of the gospel values would be more appealing and attractive to the enlightened generation. Strength doesn't lie in numbers, it is witnessing that is convincing and life-changing.
What is church, faith or rites
The church is the people, filled with faith nourished by the traditions of various rites.
Celebrating faith through rites
Some English speaking catholics prefer Tridentine Mass over Novus ordo.
Some go behind Latinization and Sanskritisation of Eastern Catholic Apostolic Traditions, thinking that its the way to be a modern Indian. This colonial dominant mindset is criticized by Pope Francis. 😮"This is something that, unfortunately still happens today: ideological colonization. How many forms of political, ideological and economic colonization still exist in the world, driven by greed and thirst for profit, with little concern for peoples, their histories and traditions, and the common home of creation! Sadly, this colonial mentality remains widespread. Let us help each other, together, to overcome it."
And some go behind Chaldean
traditions. When the apostle established a church in Kerala/India I don't think that he gave us a liturgy. Chaldean influence came some what later. Our church faced latinization too. So as an independent church in the Catholic Church and not owning a unique liturgy it will be better accepting a new liturgy by blending all the goodness we got from both. We don't need stick on Chaldean or Latin styles. We need to accept a blend of them.
@@a_lbin Liturgies don't come from thin air! To make a new one will be a humungous blunder and ecclesiastical suicide. Our current liturgy is exactly like what you said in the last sentence of your comment. It's a mixture of both Syro and Latin traditions. The Synodal form of Qurbana, certain alterations in our Thaksa, our devotional life etc bear witness to that. Our Qurbana is Chaldean! It's better to celebrate it in its entirety than celebrating a hybrid version!
Even if we tried to make a new liturgy and present it to Rome for approval, they won't allow it and the people who spearhead this "innovation" will pay a heavy price.
@@aghiltsa1248 what was wrong with the taksa of 1968
@@a_lbin East Syriac Church Tradition is an Apostolic Tradition. Some call it Chaldean because St. Thomas Apostle is the common Apostle. The Jewish roots, its Apostolicity, its non-colonial nature and its authentic Indianess all mark its importance in a post colonial plural India.
Syncretism is not a healthy way to resolve differences. Syro Malabar Church should be firmly rooted in its own Apostolic Church Tradition.
In ability to go beyond secular Malayalee cultural traditions, Sanskritisation (Casteism), Syncretic mindset and parochialism are the greatest challenges faced by Syro Malabar Catholics ...
Syro Malabar Catholics cannot be more catholic by Latinization but by being rooted in its own Apostolic roots.
@@a_lbin Thaksa of 1968 was an _ad experimentum_ text. The approval for that text was given hastily without any proper reading by the then prefect of the Oriental Congregation. It was a highly latinised text, which was against the spirit of restoration of the liturgy and didn't follow the 1962 missal. The Oriental Congregation later deemed 1962 Thaksa as the base text on which later modifications have to be made and *rejected the 1968 Thaksa*. But, except for the latinased form of prayers, almost all other modifications made in 1968 Thaksa can be found in the recent Thaksa. Those modifications include shortening and omission of prayers, making payers optional, shortening of hymns etc. In that sense, 1968 Thaksa is still alive!
I used to listen to this guy before. Now he has become self righteous and acting like a moral authority. Dear Joseph arrogance is not a virtue. I think you should listen to your own old videos. You were humble that time.
I say we go back to Syriac language...and More tradition in liturgy .... Lex Orandi , Lex Credendi .... The law of what is prayed is the law of what is believed
You got it wrong. Tradition is not only language.
What he meant is not undermining latin church.
What he says is whenever the people migrate to other places, away from their community, they tend to lose or slowly forget their traditions and rituals in the new place, whereas each one of them are supposed to carry and pass on their traditions and rituals to their next generation. This is what he meant by saying what happened to latin church.
You are a latin Tamil Christian. You can move to some other place. Your offspring will pick up language of that place, it doesn't matter, what matters is, how you pass on certain traditions and rituals of Tamil latin Christians, which you are taught by your parents and practiced only by your community, which is different from other latin Christians.
Don't think length of the mass is the reason for younger generation going for latin mass. Because their parents did not teach them their native language. Hence, they don't understand fully and feel out of place.
You can see younger generation sitting in front of holy eucharist for hours together in meditation.
It is important to teach at the very young age, mass is not a play or drama. It is the real enactment of passion anc resurrection of Jesus Christ. For this parents should have thorough faith, if they themselves are secular in faith, what can you expect of children.
I have an advice, your topics are good, points are fine, but, always, seek guidance of holy spirit into making and releasing a video.
This will help you to achieve greater glory in the presence of God. I don't need to tell you glory among humans is of not much value.
Its starting to Compete with Latin Rite.
English will be difficult to implement.
We just hate each other inside ,thats the truth.
Having a honest disagreement is equivalent to hating each other ?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia m not saying about your video, I was mentioning about my life experience...
Who hates whom? Please explain
Josapettan vicharichindavilla ഇത്രയും കമൻ്റ് വരും എന്ന് 😂
In addition to all the comments made, Joseph, you are unaware that the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, cannon 881:1 clearly states: "The Christian faithful are bound by the obligation to participate on Sundays and feast days in the Divine Liturgy, or according to the prescriptions or legitimate customs of their own Church sui iuris, in the celebration of the divine praises.
The Eastern Catholic, within the territory of his own Church, should preferably always attend his own rite. Outside of this territory he should do all that is reasonable to attend his own rite. Otherwise, he should attend another Catholic celebration.
Thats why the Holy See has allowed for syro malabar dioceses outside of kerala.
I do feel from your previous videos of the SM liturgy that you have a biased and almost combative stance against our eastern liturgy which in some ways has predated the latin church and her liturgy. Please carefully re-consider your position and discuss with cannonists before citing such forceful attacks on the SM church.
I think what he meant about the Latin Church is that the Latin Church has seen a lot of decline. Like you said, vernacular Masses in the Latin Church didn't cause people to flock back to the Church.
My dear Joseph ,your takes are so cringe .In comments you are saying Thuckalay eparchy syro-malabars are all mallus who emmigrated there due to your presumption .Please don't be adamant to refuse truths just because we were wrong on some things
What is Truth I am refusing ?
@SongonFirecatholicIndia Is Thukley Bishop a malayali?.I expect an answer. Thx
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia bro, to this comment :
**Many non- malayalis are a part of the Syro Malabar Catholic Church. The following are epadchies for Non-Malayalis
1.Thuckalay(Tamil),
2. Adilabad (Telugu),
3.Chanda(Marathi),
4.Satna, Sagar, Ujjain, Jagdalpur, Bijnor, Gorakhpur(Hindi)
5. Punjab Mission of Faridabad Eparchy
6. Parts of Bhadravati(Kannada)
Those people were evangelised in the last 100 years. Mar George Rajendran the Bishop of Thuckalay has baptized only around 10 years of age along with his family due to Missionary activity of the Syro Malabar Priests.
So please don't underestimate the Syro Malabar Catholic Church and it's Missionary activities**
u replied by a blunder saying :
**That’s absolutely false ! They are all Mallus who either migrated or born and brought up there**
Not just Thuckalay, we have so many mission areas in India now like many tamil converts in Thuckalay, Telugu speaking converts(my nun aunt works for them) ,Odia speaking,etc belonging to different ethno-linguistic people.
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia
Bishop George Rajendran Kuttinadar,
Bishop of Thuckalay is a thamilian, Nadar is a prominent thamil community
Ok so what is your point ?
I am not a Roman Catholic but I am a member of the CSI at Alleppey Kerala.I do not agree with the Pope for legalizing gay sex marriages.what authority does he have which God Almighty has forbidden.
The Pope did not legalise Same sex marriages - Who told you that ?
Mmmm
എന്തിനാണ് സുഹൃത്തേ ഇത്തരം നട്ടാൽ കിളിർക്കാത്ത കള്ളം പ്രചരിപ്പിക്കുന്നത്?
മറ്റു ഭാഷകളിലേക്കും കൂടി ഞങ്ങളുടെ കുർബാനയുടെ ലിറ്റർജി ഉണ്ടായിരിക്കണം എന്നു പിതാവ് പറഞ്ഞതിന്റെ ലക്ഷ്യം, മലയാളം അറിയാത്ത മലയാളിക്കുട്ടികൾക്കും കൂടി തങ്ങളുടെ പരമ്പരാഗത കുർബാനയിൽ അർത്ഥം മനസ്സിലാക്കി പങ്കു കൊള്ളാൻ സാധിക്കണം എന്നതാണ്. അതിന് നിങ്ങൾ അസ്വസ്ഥതപ്പെടുന്നതെന്തിനാണ്?
പിന്നെ വേറൊരു കാര്യം നിങ്ങളെപ്പോലുള്ളവരുടെ അറിവിനു വേണ്ടി പറയാം. കേരളത്തിലെ ലത്തീൻ റീത്ത് മാർത്തോമ്മാ ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികളിൽ നിന്ന് ജന്മമെടുത്തതാണ് എന്ന ചരിത്ര സത്യം നിങ്ങൾക്ക് അറിയാമോ? അവർ ഞങ്ങളുടെ തന്നെ ചോരയാണ്.
തട്ടിൽ പിതാവിന്റെ സ്ഥാനാരോഹണ ചടങ്ങിൽ ലത്തീൻ റീത്തിൽ നിന്നുള്ള രണ്ട് അഭിവന്ദ്യ പിതാക്കന്മാർ പങ്കെടുക്കുകയും ആശംസകൾ അർപ്പിച്ച് സംസാരിക്കുകയും ചെയ്തു. അവർ എന്താണ് പറഞ്ഞത് എന്ന് മലയാളം അറിയാവുന്ന ആരോടെങ്കിലും ചോദിച്ച് മനസ്സിലാക്കൂ സുഹൃത്തേ, ഇത്തരം ദുർവ്യാഖ്യാനവുമായി ഇറങ്ങുന്നതിന് മുമ്പ്.
മാത്രവും അല്ല, addai mari qudasha ക്രമത്തെ കുറിച്ച് ക്ലാസ്സ് എടുക്കുന്ന Maniyattu അച്ചൻ(kasheesha) പറഞ്ഞത് മലയാളികൾ അല്ലാത്തവർക്കും ഈ ആരാധന ക്രമം അനുഭവ വേധ്യം അകണം എന്നാണ്
Excellent presentation brother. Do not get dispirited by comments below by zero Malabar noise in your comments. Your knowledge is deep rooted unlike some negative comments below. God bless your mission of explaining facts. They will love you if you say that zero Malabar are all Brahmins
Thanks ! What are your thoughts on the matter ?
@@SongonFirecatholicIndia So this comment that is calling the Syro Malabar Church, zero Malabar, I dont know if its out of ignorance or what, but you dont want to correct him and say it is Syro Malabar. Instead you just appreciate his comment because it supported what you said. Many who responded to this video was trying to show the error in some of your statements and I dont think you properly answered those. If you would like, I would appreciate doing a video with you and answer any questions you may have. You may not remember this but I have reached out to you when I first created my channel but we didnt end up doing a video due to scheduling conflicts I think. Let me know.
Sorry to say you don’t know anything about why Vatican has designated Sui Iuris hierarchies in global Catholic Church. It’s based on distinct liturgy and history not just on language. Each church is entrusted with missionary responsibility also. To be clear syro Malabar churches outside Kerala are missionary in nature not just for migrants. Did you know that Eparchy of Shamsabad covers all of India? Kindly do proper research before posting videos. One more thing , For nearly 1900 years Malayalam was not used in this church. Only recently it started
Well presented report. I do agree with you that syromalar culture and traditions belongs to Malayalees only. It's not possible to extend it to other communities throughout the world. If they do so, they will be enforcing the other communities with Kerala tradition which is not the will of Christ.
You can agree with practically anything, but whatever you agree with also has to agree with facts. Unfortunately the whole video does not. Syro Malabar Church is not a Malayalam Church, its tradition is rooted in St. Thomas the apostle and his evangelical activities from Gujarat to the whole of South India even Sri Lanka. We had Syriac Qurbana till V2. We are not a Malayalam Church, we are an authentic Indian Church with an Eastern Syriac heritage, taking the words of JP2.