VICE follows Timmy Davis, a 24-year-old who thinks he may be drinking too much, in a new study that explores whether ketamine can curb addiction by weakening our memories of the pleasure we get from drinking alcohol. WATCH NEXT: Inside The Laughing Gas Black Market: High Society - bit.ly/2to64cx
VICE as someone who is young with chronic pain due to a severe brittle bone disease. and when people begin to use opoids illeageley it actually effects people in my position horribly. That feeling he had worries me that people would become addicted to K. it would be a great update piece to do in 1 year time. Also find out if he has desire to use opoids recreationally. ( more then in the past ) I understand that addiction occurs over a long period of time ( although it can just take once) other than that this is incredible, and needs more research so you don't get high. addiction is a side effect of my medication, physically and mentally. I could see this helping people with chronic pain, in many ways
I'm with you on that. Had to take pain pills for years then some opiate crap for dependency afterwards. HORRIBLE shit; like heroin with glue - Suboxone in the US. Very bad. Help opiate addicts - I second this. Real physical pain is much harder to cure than just psychedelics. LSD/MDMA goes a long way with physical pain but if you're opiate addict it doesn't matter what you take you'll get sick from withdrawal. Beware. They're just reformulated methadone. We need hope...
Lol yeah honestly the fascination of the k hole and completely losing control makes it addicting especially if your super depressed but the more you go there the more you need to
Dmt and ketamine and an entire night of meditating and scanning the damage to my organs. I went from chronic alcoholism to full on week long withdrawl and 0 cravings since the night I dosed. I looked inwards and found all that I was repressing. Been sober for 3 weeks and I feel free for the first time in 4 years. I found meaning in existence again
I remember seeing this video when it was first uploaded 6 years ago. I was the most depressed I had been to date after finally getting clean from heroin. I talked to my Dr about ketamine therapy about 2 years ago and go for my last session later today. My life is immensely different in a fantastic way.
i cant wait for psychedelic treatment to become more mainstream, it worked for me, a good dose a mushrooms and i stopped smoking weed and came off alcohol for about 5 years
It's not "horse tranquilizers." It's being used more and more in the medical field to treat depression and chronic pain. I was offered it at the ER just this past weekend bc I have a high tolerance to pain medication due to my chronic pelvic pain. It can really help people.
ffs. This ENTIRE FILM is about how ketamine can potentially help people in a totally new context, and all anybody here can do is whine about the host saying 'horse tranquiliser'
I'm saying that the way they are putting it in the ewe piece is that it's scary and terrifying when that isn't the case. It's being studied to help various ailments and doing a piece on it but still using fear doesn't help get it covered by insurances or get more doctors to study it.
I could see what lillyscarlet meant.. obviously the whole thing is about positive potential, but sloppy word choices are sloppy, especially when you're addressing some socially delicate research - not only in terms of controlled substances but stereotypical social attitudes to a substance. In the same way the reporter was also pretty silly to seriously ask the anaesthetist about recommendations for the same use in a recreational context, he (the reporter) came across in a less than professional way.
I think it's pretty clear the presenter is making a joke when he says it's a horse tranquiliser (even though that is, of course, true). It's easy to take such lines out of context but the film as a whole is about subverting preconceptions about ketamine. As for the question of how much ket they are taking, I think it would be rather strange for a journalist *not* to ask it. But more importantly - it would be far more dangerous to pretend that ketamine is not abused and that it is not harmful. This drug has a serious effect on people's memories. UCL has done over 16 years of research into this destructive and underpublicised effect. The ketamine apologists should really examine the evidence - it has many exciting clinical uses but it is wrong to imagine that it is a panacea, or that it is without harm
Not sure a guy who refers to ketamine as a horse tranquilliser is right for this kind of doc', surely he's done enough research to know it is an essential medicine according to WHO and frequently used as an human anaesthetic?
Exactly... fucking horse tranquiliser? Cat Valium? People give it so much shit without realising that it's one of the best anesthetics out there! Major trauma victims and the elderly often can't take the side effects of normal anesthetics, Ketamine is a critical drug in human medicine. Also an incredible painkiller... I've seen it when my own eyes, a biker with his femur snapped 90 degrees the wrong way having it pulled back into place on 70mg of IV Ketamine... all he did was complain very politely that his leg hurt.
I broke my arm and it was bent in a v shape. When I got to the hospital I was told that it needed to be pushed into shape. Naturally I was pretty afraid of it hurting like hell because even hydromorphone wouldn't have helped much (although it's important to note that I may have a very different reaction to it than most people since last time I needed an anaesthetic for pain that's what they gave me and no matter how many more dose increases I got, it didn't change anything). I don't recall if I even felt it. I saw my arm going through two huge gears and all sorts of visuals but I didn't feel a thing(in terms of pain).
*Vice reporter: "do you think it worked?"* *Russian friend: "I rekon that if he has a strong desire to drink..* *There is no power in the world that can stop him."* *@**10:41*
There is a power that can. Some people call that power God. AA teaches that this power is experienced and related to differently be different people. The only constant is that this power is greater than oneself. For many people, with a great deal of work on oneself, lifestyle changes, and pursuit of spiritual values (three biggest ones are honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness), such a power does seem to lift their desire to drink. I've seen plenty enough proof that such a power exists. Many people for whom nothing else worked have found such a power exists as they could not quit their desire to drink or drug nor obsession with doing so, yet found that by putting their life in the hands of a power greater than themselves, these were lifted. How and why it works is way beyond my conception, but this does happen and has happened for tens of millions of people.
I feel like it is amazing that we are experimenting with was to get rid of addiction... if there was a way to also move someone's focus and become addicted to something positive instead of something negative then that would be even more amazing, but getting rid of the negative addiction is a BIG step in the right direction
There is definitely science behind this, I was fortunate enough to realize this before these studies. PCP was huge in me being able to get off of heroin, and only having to smoke it once every week or two.
Thanks! Was certainly an important part of my journey. I stayed in a methadone program at that point but that is where my life started to turn around, things all started to fall into place and ultimately decided to get off all opiates. Unfortunately it is a long grueling process but all of that is what perpetuated me to decide to go into treatment, I’ve been in now the past 4 months and am finally free. I go into a little bit of how that spiritual journey began in a video on my channel called “The Hermetic Dawn” but you’ve inspired me to make one about how specifically PCP was instrumental in that process!
Ketamine is related to PCP. The problem with PCP is that it's very hydrophobic so it hangs out in the body for a long time. In other words, it has a long half life. PCP was first used as an IV anaesthetic, developed at Parke Davis. It works for that purpose, but people were still loaded when they woke up, and that tended to weird them out. The chemists removed the cyclohexyl ring, and added some hydrophilic functionality, and Ketamine was the result. PCP is like Ketamine that lasts all day.
@@incognitotorpedo42 Absolutely, both tranquilizers that had major parts in anesthetic work with doctors/ hospitals and dentists for decades but yeah that makes total sense, seems like why PCP had a longer lasting effect on making me feel more balanced emotionally but then also causing serious sleep problems when I could do some ketamine and get to sleep relatively easily. Chemistry is an ongoing study just like anything else that humans pretend to know everything about…Glad some of us know the value of ego death.
Well, when introducing an addict to aa you want to make sure they are ‘steady’. If you are addicted to alcohol, or an alcoholic, then you need a drink to calm the ‘shakes’ or the uncontrollable tremors that occur when in withdrawal. How receptive or able to conduct an interview are you if you are shaking uncontrollably? Knowledge from a former heroin addict that has been around ALOT of alcoholics
Absolutely correct. I had 5 Ketamine infusions over 5 days in the hospital. The goal was to turn off pain receptors in my brain. Each time I had an infusion, I fell into the proverbial K Hole and there is no way I could have done any motor skills test.
Same! But occasionaly for therapeutic use, like when i think too much shit thoughts or stressful days i mix it up with sterile water into a nostril spray bottle then cowabunga :P
he went about it all wrong, or the researchers did. Timmy didn't go there with the intention to stop drinking, his conscious wasn't on that path. these experiments work most on ppl who are truly trying to quit whatever vice has a hold on them. Timmy just wanted to... drink less?
MadMrMatter that would make it an unfair test, this is trying to hardwire neurological activity, so having someone who’s not truly trying to quit, and being able to change them. Shows an even more higher rate of success in the study
it took me 1 khole ( ok it was ketamine on 500ug acid) to get rid of my amphetamine/koks/mdma addiction. free for ~2 years now and a literal disgust if i am offered any. i had NO intention , didnt even know what happens when i take more than small party lines. ... so , we , super high on acid , sitting on the couch , in my hand the plate with a gram of ketamine , high as i was i just divided it into 3 lines , took one - BESTEST EXPERIENCE EVER. THIS is how its to be done to fully experience what it has to offer. this was my , my gf/s and our friends treshold , higher doses didnt do more. and my gf is small and only weighs around 45kg. her first k without puking also. the only better trip was weeks later when i wetn back in time and re experienced my very own birth. fucking incredible stuff.
@@kashregister9762 It's neither... It's used on almost all mammals, and has been used as a human anesthetic since it was first discovered. It's on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines... Stop spreading misinformation.
Alcohol addiction is like any othe psychological addictions, is a form of emotional attachment. Psychedelics might dissolve old pattern boundaries, but unless you bring focus of your attention to the source of your attachment and reach intellectual understanding, little can be changed. Source of any attachment is inability to accept and enjoy present moment as it is and attempts to find joy or meaning in the future or thinking about the past. In other words you become a slave to your thinking. You begin to derive sense of self from your ideas and thoughts. One must break that connection by understand it and prevent feeding it by maintaining attention and understanding. Once you learn/remember to enjoy just being alive and quite your mind, old structures will begin to dissolve. Psychedelics are enormously helpful in exposing that.
Not necessarily. Alcohol is also a physical addiction, as you stop producing certain neurotransmitters like GABA when you have a complete physical dependence on alcohol. This is why people can actually die if they attempt to quit cold turkey, because they go into seizures as their brains get deprived of these.
Exactly,a proper k hole is literally that tiny moment between consciousness and unconsciousness,that drags on for what seem like hours!!! I remember trying to walk while off my face and felt like my legs were those of a newly born foal
That's because there is no way he k-holed on that dose of k even if he was completely naïve. It would likely take about half again as much to k-hole. What they gave him is slightly more than the usual dose in most k based depression treatment clinics, and I promise you, you will not k-hole on that sort of dose
Personally I have several medical problems which cause me to experience chronic pain, anxiety, and depression. I am currently on more than 20 medications I take on a daily basis and they don’t control my pain or anxiety and depression. The one thing in life that has kept me going is ketamine infusions and the team I work with... they are amazing. I see a therapist during my infusions that allows me to work through things that I was never able to do with typical therapy. While now there is finally a nasal based medicine that is covered by insurance I will tell everyone that my infusions were not covered for me. But it was still worth it. After my initial 6 infusions I only go back for maintenance every 3-6 months and it took my quality of life from completely intolerable to a decent place. I am not saying it is a fix for everyone but if you have drug resistant depression, anxiety or chronic pain... or ptsd or many other issues this treatment has real promise and there are amazing legal clinics in America where you can get help if it is right for you. I speak out in favor of Ketamine when I can because it has been a boon to my life. My clinic runs a monthly group for people who have been through the treatments to have a place to talk about it. If you want more information about ketamine it is out there.
Although Ketamine is well known for being a "horse tranquilizer", people often come to a weird conclusion that it is extra strong as it "it can knock a horse down". Obviously, enough of ANY drug will do that, and the actual reason horses are given Ketamine rather than morphine in veternary setting is that opiates make horses have nightmarish hallucinations, freak out and they panic and they will knock through walls and that kind of is the opposite effect of what you want on a large animal you need to do delicate work on. The more you know.
i thought they gave horses k so they could move them easier because they are all ketty, it is part of the tranquilizing concoction not the only ingredient
@@tunein6765 it's actually because opiates make horses hallucinate and on opioids they they will kick everything in sight including kick the barn down so Ketamine is a better pain medication/tranquilizer
A lot of medications can be effective in animals and people. Ketamine is an example. Ivermectin is another. Just cause something is used for one purpose or species doesn't mean it doesn't do anything beneficial for another.
@@imnotsure343 So what is your point? What you said didn't conflict with or add to anything I said so it's a bit confusing. Ketamine works as and is used as an anesthetic in equines and humans.
I've gone down a rabbit hole before with ket and was like nope I gotta get off this, but I think it was much better in alcohol for many ways, mostly because it's not very enabled by society so after I decided to stop I never even thought about doing it again, but when I see even casual drinkers try to quit alcohol it's a lot harder because it's fuckin every where and encouraged. Super interesting they're doing legal studies with it now, it sounded really weird at first but it's cool they're able to be conducting this stuff
"Addictive drugs like alcohol"...I'm so glad they're recognizing it for what it is. They usually say "drugs and alcohol" because our society separates the two when in reality alcohol is one of many thousands of drugs.
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Think I accidentally done this experiment to myself before finding out it was actually a thing...After smoking a fair amount of weed every day for 13+ years it suddenly became a problem and I wanted to stop, so for two weeks I replaced a joint with a key or two of ket. The k ran out and over a year later still haven't smoked since.
How can I get my own in the states?Grow mushrooms risk prison ?They are charging extremely high for a really cheap substance and it's hard to dose without equipment I can drive on LSD so I'm not scared but in America vs phizer I'm not in a good place.
I’m meant to do a ketamine infusion for my chronic pain and get off opiates. Ketamine definitely seems like it can change lives. I’ve heard great stories from other pain patients.
I'm 55 and struggling. I signed up for Mindbloom today and I have an appointment with a counselor October 20th, 2022. My sister-in-law called me 5 days ago and shared her ketamine therapy experience ( that she says saved her life) and offered to pay for my therapy. So I'm all in. Due to COVID-19, they developed a protocol for oral at home therapy. I'm very optimistic ❤️
@@joshuamugica.45 Hi Joshua. I am scheduled to do my first dose November 26. No offense taken but I am a mom of two young men. Born and raised in Texas but obviously open minded. Thank you for asking. I would be happy to share my experience with you once I take it. I am super hopeful that I will get a lot out of it.
He looks a little younger after allmost not drinking for months. His face is kinder and better fed. Stopping drinking really is a beauty treat, didn't realise how much (with stopping HEAVY drinking I guess)
so is the doc. his concept of how ketamine works is utter nonsense. and so is his concept of memories. saying this with ~200 very high dosed ketamine experiences over the past years. the first of these instantly healed my mdma/amphetamine/koks addiction
If i took this test, I would so easily be able to elaborate and describe the K-Hole in terms of its experience illustrated through metaphysics and archaeism. It unlocks the limitless. Thats the best way I can describe it.
As much as I disagreed with Vice on political stances and reporting...can we just have a moment all together here and remind ourselves that Vice is what brought us all together for things like this to make us look elsewhere for healing and educating us on things like this? I Would have never known Ketamine was used to treat PTSD if it wasn't for Vice. Here I am, 7 years later, after a BAD PTSD low I hit now on Ketamine Assisted Therapy and my life has taken a DRAMATIC shift to a happy life. I would have NEVER known about this if it wasn't for Vice and its sad Vice is gone.
K can be a fabulous tool for recovery in my experience. Deep spiritual experience. Not had any since 2012 as with anything else in life, too much of a good thing is not good. Peace.
I used ket to quit my 20 year cocaine habit, I was smoking crazy for the last 13 years of that addiction. Ket changed me overnight! I no longer depend on any drugs, I enjoy my weed but I am definitely a brand new being! 😊😊😊😊
.68mg per kg means the average US male (88.8kg) would take a dose of 60.4mg or .0604 grams from the IV system Im assuming. This is nothing compared to .1-.25g lines taken recreationally. He is receiving medical grade ketamine tho.
@@eddiest.martin6265 I think 60 mg medical is like 200 to 300 rec, not sure. ~40 mg rec actually seems to be a good dose for treating depression. www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/h3lbk/ketamine_as_a_powerful_antidepressant_if_you_have/
@@knutthecute A release from the constant CHOO CHOO train of thought and belief in the illusion of the self is like a short 20 minute rest for someone who has been an insomniac their entire life. But even that short rest is often enough to interrupt dangerous, continuing patterns and equations that carry over from problem to problem, utterly needlessly...
This was a brilliant video and I am relieved and inspired to see studies being undertaken that mirror my own self-designed experiments with dissociatives. They have a very real power to make fresh and new every experience you have, such that if you target them you can come to quite easily see new ways of integrating with this life, and unlike traditional therapeutic methods there is an easy-ness to engaging with the insights gained and essentially just being different. I said recently, It feels like my tank is full. Childlike but unless you've done what I've done or what Timmy did you don't know what I'm talking about (;
.68mg per kg of body weight. So average male being 70kg that's .68x70=47.6 47.6mg is not that big a dose even IV For a proper k hole you want at least 150mg
Maybe educate your hosts a bit better. You claim to be a journalistic agency but allow your host to spout his opinionated stigma calling Ketamine "horse tranquilizers" which he is clearly doing to espouse a negative connotation. Ketamine is used in veterinary practice, yes, just like hundreds of other substances that potentiate in both animals and humans. This ranges from opioids to antibiotics and antidepressants. Ketamine is still used widely for anaesthetic purposes in hospitals around the world when combined with more common drugs like fentanyl. The fact that this host doesn't even have a common grasp on the substance in this video is an appalling subversion of journalism
As the talk was of getting a massive dose of k, I was thinking "Damn, that's got to be like 150 or 200 mg of ketamine!" When I found out it was only 0.6 to 0.8 mg/kg I was completely dumbfounded. That's just slightly over the typical microdosing for most depression treatment infusions, and some do 1 mg/kg. When I was doing street k before I was able to get into a legit clinic I was going through 3-3.5 g of k in less than a week. Then again, apparently unlike a lot of people I really enjoyed the k-hole experience. I described some of them to my oldest and she thought they sounded horrifying but I thoroughly enjoyed them all. Granted the best one was when I felt I had created an entire universe and populated a planet with beings. Still really miss that one.
Did an infusion last night and my depth of field behind closed eyes was infinite and I saw organic matter forming, mounds of some type of matter looking substance and it was like I was witnessing the growth of a landscape that was making a giant spiral. It was cool and your comment struck a familiar cord.
@shelterfromcold8620 Same! I had my 3rd treatment the other day at 1.2 mg/kg. I witnessed part of what was a giant being, but couldn't get a glimpse of the entire being. I heard it say "look at what I've created" and as I pan over to look, my song list took me elsewhere. It's like I was in a cockpit of some craft in space observing dark red/purple organic matter. It was strange to see this guy not really experience ketamine. I get the thing on his head but why were they having him read things and talk to him? How was he even able to talk coherently? Like, I'm completely gone. Even on the .8mg/kg I started at. Didn't have visuals in that one though but still was great. But hey, this is a six year old video and we've come a long way since then.
From my experiences of doing different types of K it was always a lot of fun when you did just enough to feel like you were bouncing around and other times the K-Hole could be fun too. With my experiences though I don’t think what he was administered was what I would call a K-Hole. Dude could read and talk normally. Most people, including myself, couldn’t read if they tried when in a hole or even talk clearly.
yeah thats what i thought. didn't seem like alot of ket at all tbh. it's very very hard to do much of anything In a khole,for me. they said like 70mg which isnt a giant amount and they did it over a longer period of time.
You are all absolutely right. There is no way a guy that size gets anywhere near a k-hole on 70 mg IV. I get more than that for my depression at least once a week and I never come close to a k-hole there. Now when I was going through an 8 ball in like 4-5 days before I got into a legit clinic, then I would def k-hole...as many times as I could (clearly)
@@VladtheInhaler Bullshit. I had some mates who were HEAVY into K back in the day. We're talking daily use for a few years. One of them was a dealer, so they had essentially infinite supply. I saw the dealer do a 1g line "for science". His entire body went stiff and he was out like a light. If you can take a g of K and still function, your K is less than 20% pure.
Having a grand mal seizure leading to an after death experience shut down my heavy drinking immediately. 8 years ago. Not a drop since. And all my choice. No rehab. After 25 years of superboozin. I wish I nipped it in the bud when I was 24 like this guy.
Our model of addiction has been flawed for a long time and we've known it.. Theres no hooks, your addiction is a reptitive behavior to self medicate sadness or loneliness. Our brain unconsciously seeks out mind altering drugs as a method of escaping from the self. We associate alcohol with the feeling of sadness the same way we associate tylenol with headaches. Every Time our headache is triggered, through association our brain get's primed to seek out relief in order to lower stress levels. It's all mediated through the amygdala.
Well, they also weren't specifically using this for the purpose of quitting smoking. They were specifically targeting his alcohol consumption habits, and in other studies using different psychedelics (psilocybin mushrooms), they have been able to specifically target smoking, with pretty decent results.
@@georgesoros8589 that would be understandable, it's the fact that he obviously also doesn't know any alcoholics or their typical behavior. Lives in a bubble.
he did not khole , the entire experience was more or less pseudo bullshit . like people who say they have lsd experience after microdosing a few times.
Swim unintentionally did this to himself. He has a long past of heavy drinking, can never have "just one , and a desire for alcohol with environmental triggers (hot day, cold beer/celebration means liquor). Swim took a lot of K, proceeded to have a night out at the bar drinking only club soda. Swim repeated this 2 or 3 times. Later he noticed there was absolutely zero desire / want / need for alcohol. Swim was confused because he had never felt this "non-desire" for alcohol feeling in his life. Swim thinks something "flipped" in his brain, 6 months later he still has zero desire for alcohol and can enjoy one beer or glass of wine on very rare occasions.
1:49 "Horse tranquilizer" is just a word. It's sad that a label of a drug would bring a negative view on his effects. Some people fear LSD because the word "acid" doesn't sound right in their ear.
I am not saying that drugs are not interesting but there many things to talk about . I am gonna name just a few off the top of my head: war in Syria, new archaeological findings, illegal deforestation, illegal weapon trade, sharia law, the growing chatolicism in china, Duterte's regime, Erdogan's regime, Columbia's communist transformation, new means of nuclear power, the nuclear fusion reactor, generative design, bioengineering, strange traditions, the Chinese tourist invasion. And I could go on and on and on
lmfao, then make your own documentaries if you're going to complain like that, go investigate the illegal weapon trade for yourself, or you can go to Syria. Goodluck with that!
Even though Vice is a bit... Messy. It still yields amazing information and results for episodes like this. Interesting to know what's happening in the world.
I wish people wouldn't automatically think of ketamin as a "horse tranquilser" as its given regularly by hospitals and emergency situations. I was given ketamin to induce me for an operation last year, it felt horrible lol I've been given propofol for induction before too and that felt far easier on me. But if this can help peoples mental health that would be wonderful
This study reminds me of the idea of MKUltra, using psychoactive substances and psychological cues in combination to change someones mind on a subject. I think the difference here is he knows that he wants to quit drinking and because he's aware of the intent of the study it think it would definitely be possible. If youv'e ever done LSD you'll understand the weird way that it can make you have "realizations" and I imagine Ketamine has a similar effect although i've never tried it, I think that if they could find a good way to channel that it could be super effective at what is basically mind control.
Comparing the informed consent use of ketamine to MK Ultra is like comparing using an airsoft rifle to shoot someone with putting a shotgun in your mouth. Maybe it would be better to not talk about something if you don't actually know about what you are talking. I don't guess you know they have been using ketamine to treat severe major depressive disorder for over 20 years now, do you?
Ketamine and other drugs related to the group of Arylcyclohexylamines do have a big potential for healing. But should be taken rarely in therapeutic sessions. As usual if something feels good and liberating there is the tendency to take it more often then necessary and turn this "medicine" into a new addictive behavior. Is it not strange that we like sometimes to be numbed?
"You feel comfortable dabbling in LSD and mescaline and in general things that society would frown upon, but you think drinking is the biggest problem?" The way he said this so condescendingly immediately made me not want to listen to a word he says
Ketamine is like a opioid feeing mixed with this weird “bending” feeling when you IV it. It was great to help fentanyl withdrawals. As well as to recreationally take. Great pain killer too.
I injected 30ml of pure K and went in to a hole so deep I thought I died. I in my mind died then had to feel the loss of my self , all my family , my daughter it was life changing. Never again will I do K.
Tried K for the first time a couple of months ago. I am 45. It was not a pleasant experience. I would say it was a near death experience. I k-holed for about 30 min and it felt like an eternity. Reality became pixelated at very low resolution, felt like a robot and i begun to fall endlessly through a pit of darkness. It was scary.
I totally agree about alcohol and FOOLISH BEHAVIOR.... even dangerous behavior... of course any substance may be abused, but alcohol can be ruinous at social doses.
My k hole experience was with dxm (945 mg in pills). It was amazing it was like the dark structures were beaming how all forms of consciousness work. At the same time I felt as if I was dead and I was just a consciousness free of the toxins of my experiences/personality.
This dosage was taken orally? Pls I need to know, cause I've only experienced 500mg and I felt like I was never going back, for a moment I thought that I was really another person, dissociated, couldn't control myself
I'm sure you had a very profound hallucinogenic experience, but please don't call it a k-hole if you weren't taking ketamine. There is a big difference between a trip on DXM and a k-hole. Trust me, I'm very familiar with both, and if they were the same I would buy every bit of DXM I could find within 20 miles or so lol
@wtrdawnlord it doesn't matter if it is DXM, Ketamine, LSD, Shrooms or Molly, these all open the door to the realm that is between this life & the next, this is where the d*monic offspring of the fallen angels dwell and opening this door allows them in, to take full control over you. This is why you felt like another person. People just don't understand this. You see & experience things through their eyes.
If you think something plays too big of a role in your life there is only two options to change it no? 1 - Make this something smaller or 2 - You find a way to make things you like bigger and if you ask me 2 is the way to go because its the literally positive way, since instead of negating you grow.
VICE follows Timmy Davis, a 24-year-old who thinks he may be drinking too much, in a new study that explores whether ketamine can curb addiction by weakening our memories of the pleasure we get from drinking alcohol.
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VICE as someone who is young with chronic pain due to a severe brittle bone disease. and when people begin to use opoids illeageley it actually effects people in my position horribly.
That feeling he had worries me that people would become addicted to K.
it would be a great update piece to do in 1 year time.
Also find out if he has desire to use opoids recreationally. ( more then in the past )
I understand that addiction occurs over a long period of time ( although it can just take once)
other than that this is incredible, and needs more research so you don't get high.
addiction is a side effect of my medication, physically and mentally. I could see this helping people with chronic pain, in many ways
give him ayahuasca or DMT and he'll be on a whole other level
I'm with you on that. Had to take pain pills for years then some opiate crap for dependency afterwards. HORRIBLE shit; like heroin with glue - Suboxone in the US. Very bad.
Help opiate addicts - I second this. Real physical pain is much harder to cure than just psychedelics. LSD/MDMA goes a long way with physical pain but if you're opiate addict it doesn't matter what you take you'll get sick from withdrawal. Beware. They're just reformulated methadone. We need hope...
Chasing the Scream by J. Hari is a work of highly condensed information, with the power to generate all the hope there is/could be bud!
VICE! I loved your show! Now i must admit that you suck ass! Unsubscribed! We had a good run!
So much respect for vice not ignoring the drug world and highlighting the highs and lows that real people have
Surely the ULTIMATE question is can you use Ketamine to get off Ketamine???
loool
just drink a lot
use shrooms
Lol yeah honestly the fascination of the k hole and completely losing control makes it addicting especially if your super depressed but the more you go there the more you need to
It got me off opiates then after a few months I never did k again it's been 10 years I self injected ketamine not a medical professional
Dmt and ketamine and an entire night of meditating and scanning the damage to my organs. I went from chronic alcoholism to full on week long withdrawl and 0 cravings since the night I dosed. I looked inwards and found all that I was repressing. Been sober for 3 weeks and I feel free for the first time in 4 years. I found meaning in existence again
how have you been doing 5 months since now? best wishes
Very glad to hear. You may need repeated reminders in order to continue to remember, though.
How're you doing now?
How’re you doing?
How u doin now? But how was dmt n ket? Sounds crazy want to try both
I remember seeing this video when it was first uploaded 6 years ago. I was the most depressed I had been to date after finally getting clean from heroin.
I talked to my Dr about ketamine therapy about 2 years ago and go for my last session later today.
My life is immensely different in a fantastic way.
That’s badass 🙏🏾
Me too! I started w/infusions and now take low dose at home no more than every 3 days. My s ideation is gone. ❤
i cant wait for psychedelic treatment to become more mainstream, it worked for me, a good dose a mushrooms and i stopped smoking weed and came off alcohol for about 5 years
Nice one!
Weed is ok tho
Yeah marijuana ain’t no big deal, but it’s incredible to how mushrooms helps people quit alcohol, something like a 60% successful quit rate
@@pheelmacababe2861 thats awesome, im proud of you :)
@@pheelmacababe2861 where did you hear that from?
timmy was tryna get wavy at the hospital
Juan Gomez I LOL’d when he said that 😂
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
@jason lul that was lame af
It's not "horse tranquilizers." It's being used more and more in the medical field to treat depression and chronic pain. I was offered it at the ER just this past weekend bc I have a high tolerance to pain medication due to my chronic pelvic pain. It can really help people.
ffs. This ENTIRE FILM is about how ketamine can potentially help people in a totally new context, and all anybody here can do is whine about the host saying 'horse tranquiliser'
rabbit and cat tranquilizer don't sound as scary.
I'm saying that the way they are putting it in the ewe piece is that it's scary and terrifying when that isn't the case. It's being studied to help various ailments and doing a piece on it but still using fear doesn't help get it covered by insurances or get more doctors to study it.
I could see what lillyscarlet meant.. obviously the whole thing is about positive potential, but sloppy word choices are sloppy, especially when you're addressing some socially delicate research - not only in terms of controlled substances but stereotypical social attitudes to a substance. In the same way the reporter was also pretty silly to seriously ask the anaesthetist about recommendations for the same use in a recreational context, he (the reporter) came across in a less than professional way.
I think it's pretty clear the presenter is making a joke when he says it's a horse tranquiliser (even though that is, of course, true). It's easy to take such lines out of context but the film as a whole is about subverting preconceptions about ketamine. As for the question of how much ket they are taking, I think it would be rather strange for a journalist *not* to ask it.
But more importantly - it would be far more dangerous to pretend that ketamine is not abused and that it is not harmful. This drug has a serious effect on people's memories. UCL has done over 16 years of research into this destructive and underpublicised effect. The ketamine apologists should really examine the evidence - it has many exciting clinical uses but it is wrong to imagine that it is a panacea, or that it is without harm
Not sure a guy who refers to ketamine as a horse tranquilliser is right for this kind of doc', surely he's done enough research to know it is an essential medicine according to WHO and frequently used as an human anaesthetic?
yeah I thought exactly the same thing about the clueless little twonk!
Exactly... fucking horse tranquiliser? Cat Valium? People give it so much shit without realising that it's one of the best anesthetics out there! Major trauma victims and the elderly often can't take the side effects of normal anesthetics, Ketamine is a critical drug in human medicine. Also an incredible painkiller... I've seen it when my own eyes, a biker with his femur snapped 90 degrees the wrong way having it pulled back into place on 70mg of IV Ketamine... all he did was complain very politely that his leg hurt.
but it was actually a horse tranquilliser in the first place, only after got used on human
I broke my arm and it was bent in a v shape. When I got to the hospital I was told that it needed to be pushed into shape. Naturally I was pretty afraid of it hurting like hell because even hydromorphone wouldn't have helped much (although it's important to note that I may have a very different reaction to it than most people since last time I needed an anaesthetic for pain that's what they gave me and no matter how many more dose increases I got, it didn't change anything). I don't recall if I even felt it. I saw my arm going through two huge gears and all sorts of visuals but I didn't feel a thing(in terms of pain).
calm down, snot like he was the doctor...
This is NOT a K hole at all.
@Dustpanda Music Oh, OK. Totally deceptive titles are fine. I'm sure the rest was entirely professional and accurate journalism.
@Dustpanda MusicMusic its dishonest clickbait why exactly are you defending this?
Andrew Consbruck because people always wanna argue and sound smart 🤦🏽♂️
Yup, he said 0.68mg/kg. For a 200lb (90kg) dude, that's only like 60mg, between a Common and a Strong dose.
Haaa no nowhere ...Timmmay he was hardly a raging alky.. first world problems ..
I actually started smoking crack to kick my vaping habit
Good to see your getting better, keep it up dude
Just say yes !!! Crack is Cool!!!
I took ketamine to kick the xanny habit I created when I was trying to get of opiates.
@@FCWW87 but, of course, you r still on opioids?
@@FCWW87 oh, sorry, you we’re being ironic, of course
haha first thing he says is "I could use a cigarette"
I don't think it worked for his smoking habit.
Timmeh
A Bottle Of Bleach ....This only targets alcohol memories. If it works for alcohol it'll work for smoking to......if they target the smoking.
Fred Lime acid always made me want to smoke and I loved smoking on acid
Altered Beast big facts
Cigarettes are great after k lol
*Vice reporter: "do you think it worked?"* *Russian friend: "I rekon that if he has a strong desire to drink..* *There is no power in the world that can stop him."* *@**10:41*
IndigoXYZ18 A very intelligent man
IndigoXYZ18 underated scene by far hahahaha
Would have saved a fortune in research had they listened to him as well.
This guy should be the president
There is a power that can. Some people call that power God. AA teaches that this power is experienced and related to differently be different people. The only constant is that this power is greater than oneself. For many people, with a great deal of work on oneself, lifestyle changes, and pursuit of spiritual values (three biggest ones are honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness), such a power does seem to lift their desire to drink.
I've seen plenty enough proof that such a power exists. Many people for whom nothing else worked have found such a power exists as they could not quit their desire to drink or drug nor obsession with doing so, yet found that by putting their life in the hands of a power greater than themselves, these were lifted.
How and why it works is way beyond my conception, but this does happen and has happened for tens of millions of people.
My one year sober mark is in four days :D
I'll hold your beer any time m8, good on you
holdmybeer fuck yeah dude I may not know you but I'm happy your kicking it
holdmybeer is relapsing still a prevailent temptation or not so much
one year??? Oh shit!!! that means it's time to get fucked up!
Dylan Perri relapsing is always a temptation. Getting and staying sober isn't a cake walk. Ever.
I feel like it is amazing that we are experimenting with was to get rid of addiction... if there was a way to also move someone's focus and become addicted to something positive instead of something negative then that would be even more amazing, but getting rid of the negative addiction is a BIG step in the right direction
There is definitely science behind this, I was fortunate enough to realize this before these studies. PCP was huge in me being able to get off of heroin, and only having to smoke it once every week or two.
Pcp helped you get off of heroine?!?
Glad you're off!!
Thanks! Was certainly an important part of my journey. I stayed in a methadone program at that point but that is where my life started to turn around, things all started to fall into place and ultimately decided to get off all opiates. Unfortunately it is a long grueling process but all of that is what perpetuated me to decide to go into treatment, I’ve been in now the past 4 months and am finally free. I go into a little bit of how that spiritual journey began in a video on my channel called “The Hermetic Dawn” but you’ve inspired me to make one about how specifically PCP was instrumental in that process!
Ketamine is related to PCP. The problem with PCP is that it's very hydrophobic so it hangs out in the body for a long time. In other words, it has a long half life. PCP was first used as an IV anaesthetic, developed at Parke Davis. It works for that purpose, but people were still loaded when they woke up, and that tended to weird them out. The chemists removed the cyclohexyl ring, and added some hydrophilic functionality, and Ketamine was the result. PCP is like Ketamine that lasts all day.
@@incognitotorpedo42 Absolutely, both tranquilizers that had major parts in anesthetic work with doctors/ hospitals and dentists for decades but yeah that makes total sense, seems like why PCP had a longer lasting effect on making me feel more balanced emotionally but then also causing serious sleep problems when I could do some ketamine and get to sleep relatively easily. Chemistry is an ongoing study just like anything else that humans pretend to know everything about…Glad some of us know the value of ego death.
10:41
"I reckon that he who has a strong desire to drink, has no power that can stop him"
blessed be this man, a true philosopher of our times.
Having a casual drink or two is very different from drinking as a coping mechanism for psychological pain tho.
AA doesn’t work for most people. Stats show this
Guy who is trying to stop drinking - let's do our interviews in the pub...
Well, when introducing an addict to aa you want to make sure they are ‘steady’. If you are addicted to alcohol, or an alcoholic, then you need a drink to calm the ‘shakes’ or the uncontrollable tremors that occur when in withdrawal. How receptive or able to conduct an interview are you if you are shaking uncontrollably?
Knowledge from a former heroin addict that has been around ALOT of alcoholics
Timmy is down to one drink a week. Shows Timmy drinking a pilsner. Next scene shows Timmy drinking a Guiness lol
Ofc he discourages it. He makes 1k per patient while he knows that you can basically do what he does at home for a Fraction of that cost
hes not on a salary?
That's a crazy price! Clinics in the US are ~$250-500 depending on the setting.
If you’re still functional enough to drink or answer questions...
You’re not in the k hole.
Not even close.
Absolutely correct. I had 5 Ketamine infusions over 5 days in the hospital. The goal was to turn off pain receptors in my brain. Each time I had an infusion, I fell into the proverbial K Hole and there is no way I could have done any motor skills test.
Are we gatekeeping.. being cool... because drugs put you in a useless physical state?.... what
@@MrJakson112, I did it for medical reasons
@@MrJakson112 ketamine drips can be used in serious cases of depression. Meds have their uses, but people abuse them. It’s not about being cool...
@Howlinwalter81 , the duration of relief was not worth the investment of time or finances. The treatments did work for a few weeks.
I LOVE KETAMINE!!!!
Onya bernie
Me too
Same! But occasionaly for therapeutic use, like when i think too much shit thoughts or stressful days i mix it up with sterile water into a nostril spray bottle then cowabunga :P
Gurnie Sanders
Bernie for President 🤗
he went about it all wrong, or the researchers did. Timmy didn't go there with the intention to stop drinking, his conscious wasn't on that path. these experiments work most on ppl who are truly trying to quit whatever vice has a hold on them. Timmy just wanted to... drink less?
MadMrMatter that would make it an unfair test, this is trying to hardwire neurological activity, so having someone who’s not truly trying to quit, and being able to change them. Shows an even more higher rate of success in the study
it took me 1 khole ( ok it was ketamine on 500ug acid) to get rid of my amphetamine/koks/mdma addiction. free for ~2 years now and a literal disgust if i am offered any. i had NO intention , didnt even know what happens when i take more than small party lines. ... so , we , super high on acid , sitting on the couch , in my hand the plate with a gram of ketamine , high as i was i just divided it into 3 lines , took one - BESTEST EXPERIENCE EVER. THIS is how its to be done to fully experience what it has to offer. this was my , my gf/s and our friends treshold , higher doses didnt do more. and my gf is small and only weighs around 45kg. her first k without puking also. the only better trip was weeks later when i wetn back in time and re experienced my very own birth. fucking incredible stuff.
Timmy wanted a free line of k he was chatting absolute shit about quitting drinking
I agree, just observing him told me he really doesn't believe he had an issue with alcohol.
The reporter calling it "horse tranquilizer" made me roll my eyes
WHY? It is a horse tranquilliser.
Its a cat tranquilizer.. not horse. Horse tranquilizers use xylazine
@@kashregister9762 It's neither... It's used on almost all mammals, and has been used as a human anesthetic since it was first discovered. It's on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines... Stop spreading misinformation.
@@graysonthacker7900 Do u want a cookie?
@@kashregister9762 No... I want you do your due diligence rather than talking out your ass. Was I not clear on that in my original comment?
Dude definitely just wanted to get wavy in a hospital, and I can respect that
“I recon that if he has a strong desire to drink, there is no power in the world that can stop him.” That made me LOL
Made me pfffffffftttt
Alcohol addiction is like any othe psychological addictions, is a form of emotional attachment.
Psychedelics might dissolve old pattern boundaries, but unless you bring focus of your attention to the source of your attachment and reach intellectual understanding, little can be changed.
Source of any attachment is inability to accept and enjoy present moment as it is and attempts to find joy or meaning in the future or thinking about the past.
In other words you become a slave to your thinking. You begin to derive sense of self from your ideas and thoughts.
One must break that connection by understand it and prevent feeding it by maintaining attention and understanding.
Once you learn/remember to enjoy just being alive and quite your mind, old structures will begin to dissolve. Psychedelics are enormously helpful in exposing that.
Reflections Observer Ketamine is not a psychedelic though, it's a dissociative drug.
marypixie true, but in high doses your mind does come up with some extreme stuff, ive seen more on ket than on acid
Not necessarily. Alcohol is also a physical addiction, as you stop producing certain neurotransmitters like GABA when you have a complete physical dependence on alcohol. This is why people can actually die if they attempt to quit cold turkey, because they go into seizures as their brains get deprived of these.
Emotional Attachment is the grounding of all addiction.
marypixie they have a lot of similarity’s tho i perfer dissociatives but most people like psychedelics
Becoming a herion addict is almost 100% effective at treating alcoholism
@Winston Leg-Thigh got me there buddy, try cocaineism to cure both?
😂
Well, your foot cannot itch if you cut your leg..
@@_Ember_ what are you suggesting lmao? Please do tell and don't hold back ; )
@@detroitfettyghost8492 Dont do drugs. Or do it safely as possible
There's no way he could have taken a serious dose of K and maintained the ability to read. In a K-hole, all a person can do is stare off.
Obviously, he's no good to them in a hole.
all you can do is stare off*
Exactly,a proper k hole is literally that tiny moment between consciousness and unconsciousness,that drags on for what seem like hours!!!
I remember trying to walk while off my face and felt like my legs were those of a newly born foal
I don't think a k hole is the goal here
That's because there is no way he k-holed on that dose of k even if he was completely naïve. It would likely take about half again as much to k-hole. What they gave him is slightly more than the usual dose in most k based depression treatment clinics, and I promise you, you will not k-hole on that sort of dose
Personally I have several medical problems which cause me to experience chronic pain, anxiety, and depression. I am currently on more than 20 medications I take on a daily basis and they don’t control my pain or anxiety and depression. The one thing in life that has kept me going is ketamine infusions and the team I work with... they are amazing. I see a therapist during my infusions that allows me to work through things that I was never able to do with typical therapy. While now there is finally a nasal based medicine that is covered by insurance I will tell everyone that my infusions were not covered for me. But it was still worth it. After my initial 6 infusions I only go back for maintenance every 3-6 months and it took my quality of life from completely intolerable to a decent place. I am not saying it is a fix for everyone but if you have drug resistant depression, anxiety or chronic pain... or ptsd or many other issues this treatment has real promise and there are amazing legal clinics in America where you can get help if it is right for you. I speak out in favor of Ketamine when I can because it has been a boon to my life. My clinic runs a monthly group for people who have been through the treatments to have a place to talk about it. If you want more information about ketamine it is out there.
Now I would like to take k therapy because I suffer from BPD
Just sniffing it is 10 times cheaper hope you dont oay 450 per session asswell😑
Although Ketamine is well known for being a "horse tranquilizer", people often come to a weird conclusion that it is extra strong as it "it can knock a horse down". Obviously, enough of ANY drug will do that, and the actual reason horses are given Ketamine rather than morphine in veternary setting is that opiates make horses have nightmarish hallucinations, freak out and they panic and they will knock through walls and that kind of is the opposite effect of what you want on a large animal you need to do delicate work on. The more you know.
Nicky Pearson wow
i thought they gave horses k so they could move them easier because they are all ketty, it is part of the tranquilizing concoction not the only ingredient
@@tunein6765 it's actually because opiates make horses hallucinate and on opioids they they will kick everything in sight including kick the barn down so Ketamine is a better pain medication/tranquilizer
A lot of medications can be effective in animals and people. Ketamine is an example. Ivermectin is another. Just cause something is used for one purpose or species doesn't mean it doesn't do anything beneficial for another.
@@imnotsure343 So what is your point? What you said didn't conflict with or add to anything I said so it's a bit confusing. Ketamine works as and is used as an anesthetic in equines and humans.
I've gone down a rabbit hole before with ket and was like nope I gotta get off this, but I think it was much better in alcohol for many ways, mostly because it's not very enabled by society so after I decided to stop I never even thought about doing it again, but when I see even casual drinkers try to quit alcohol it's a lot harder because it's fuckin every where and encouraged. Super interesting they're doing legal studies with it now, it sounded really weird at first but it's cool they're able to be conducting this stuff
_"the psychedelic renaisance"_
I like the sound of that
Me too
the time is now
@@stadtjer689 I'm starting to think it's now or never
"Addictive drugs like alcohol"...I'm so glad they're recognizing it for what it is. They usually say "drugs and alcohol" because our society separates the two when in reality alcohol is one of many thousands of drugs.
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Think I accidentally done this experiment to myself before finding out it was actually a thing...After smoking a fair amount of weed every day for 13+ years it suddenly became a problem and I wanted to stop, so for two weeks I replaced a joint with a key or two of ket. The k ran out and over a year later still haven't smoked since.
How can I get my own in the states?Grow mushrooms risk prison ?They are charging extremely high for a really cheap substance and it's hard to dose without equipment I can drive on LSD so I'm not scared but in America vs phizer I'm not in a good place.
I have been given ketamine in the hospital, and it really helps with depression, anxiety and physical pain.
I’m meant to do a ketamine infusion for my chronic pain and get off opiates. Ketamine definitely seems like it can change lives. I’ve heard great stories from other pain patients.
How are you now 1 year later?
"I reckon that if he has a strong desire to drink, there is no power in the world that can stop him."
-the wise words of the man on 10:43
Borat
I'm 55 and struggling. I signed up for Mindbloom today and I have an appointment with a counselor October 20th, 2022. My sister-in-law called me 5 days ago and shared her ketamine therapy experience ( that she says saved her life) and offered to pay for my therapy. So I'm all in. Due to COVID-19, they developed a protocol for oral at home therapy. I'm very optimistic ❤️
Hey man did you dose on ketamine today
@@joshuamugica.45 Hi Joshua. I am scheduled to do my first dose November 26. No offense taken but I am a mom of two young men. Born and raised in Texas but obviously open minded. Thank you for asking. I would be happy to share my experience with you once I take it. I am super hopeful that I will get a lot out of it.
@@taylorfausett177 Hope you had a safe experience! How was it?
He looks a little younger after allmost not drinking for months. His face is kinder and better fed.
Stopping drinking really is a beauty treat, didn't realise how much (with stopping HEAVY drinking I guess)
He Never K-Holed! Title lied about that one.
Ah finally, a vice video on K.
The host/interviewer is really misinformed
i though he sounded kind of judgmental, almost passively aggressively putting down the guy
so is the doc. his concept of how ketamine works is utter nonsense.
and so is his concept of memories.
saying this with ~200 very high dosed ketamine experiences over the past years.
the first of these instantly healed my mdma/amphetamine/koks addiction
?can i have a line
1man1van speak 4 urself
Wes G yeh, actually, and your point?
if you have money i got you. k holing is the shit but the best time i've ever had on k was when i was also on L
justkevin09 mix it with mdma then get back to me, it's the ultimate combo!
1man1van I try it out this weekend I'm about to cop a bunch of mol and I always get some k for personal use.
If i took this test, I would so easily be able to elaborate and describe the K-Hole in terms of its experience illustrated through metaphysics and archaeism. It unlocks the limitless. Thats the best way I can describe it.
As much as I disagreed with Vice on political stances and reporting...can we just have a moment all together here and remind ourselves that Vice is what brought us all together for things like this to make us look elsewhere for healing and educating us on things like this? I Would have never known Ketamine was used to treat PTSD if it wasn't for Vice. Here I am, 7 years later, after a BAD PTSD low I hit now on Ketamine Assisted Therapy and my life has taken a DRAMATIC shift to a happy life. I would have NEVER known about this if it wasn't for Vice and its sad Vice is gone.
K can be a fabulous tool for recovery in my experience. Deep spiritual experience. Not had any since 2012 as with anything else in life, too much of a good thing is not good. Peace.
10:44 Scared the hell out of me, I thought the ketamine turned Timmy into a sober Borat.
Hhahaha this made me laugh
Hahahahaha
🤣
Im dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh my god 😂😂😂
I used ket to quit my 20 year cocaine habit, I was smoking crazy for the last 13 years of that addiction. Ket changed me overnight! I no longer depend on any drugs, I enjoy my weed but I am definitely a brand new being! 😊😊😊😊
As someone who has anxiety and depression, ketamine does wonders in low doses. Much lower than they used hre
If he has a strong desire to drink, there is no power in the world that can stop him.
"if he wants to drink there is nothing in the world that can stop him" hahaha that guy just broke my ribs from laughing hahaha
someone call Hamilton morris and ask him if this guy took a big dose or not
.68mg per kg means the average US male (88.8kg) would take a dose of 60.4mg or .0604 grams from the IV system Im assuming. This is nothing compared to .1-.25g lines taken recreationally. He is receiving medical grade ketamine tho.
@@eddiest.martin6265 I think 60 mg medical is like 200 to 300 rec, not sure. ~40 mg rec actually seems to be a good dose for treating depression. www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/h3lbk/ketamine_as_a_powerful_antidepressant_if_you_have/
@@eddiest.martin6265 Ketamine is actually administered intramuscularly (IM) rather than intravenously (IV).
IV Ketamine at a range from 0.5 mg/kg to 1.5mg/kg has been tremendously effective in decreasing depression.
@@knutthecute A release from the constant CHOO CHOO train of thought and belief in the illusion of the self is like a short 20 minute rest for someone who has been an insomniac their entire life. But even that short rest is often enough to interrupt dangerous, continuing patterns and equations that carry over from problem to problem, utterly needlessly...
This was a brilliant video and I am relieved and inspired to see studies being undertaken that mirror my own self-designed experiments with dissociatives. They have a very real power to make fresh and new every experience you have, such that if you target them you can come to quite easily see new ways of integrating with this life, and unlike traditional therapeutic methods there is an easy-ness to engaging with the insights gained and essentially just being different. I said recently, It feels like my tank is full. Childlike but unless you've done what I've done or what Timmy did you don't know what I'm talking about (;
.68mg per kg of body weight. So average male being 70kg that's .68x70=47.6
47.6mg is not that big a dose even IV
For a proper k hole you want at least 150mg
Brodie Stoppard 1.68x70=117.6
I accidently quit smoking cigarettes cold turkey after 10 years off addiction from ONE ketamine experiment. And have never had a craving once after.
jeez, my experiences have been completely out there. as psychedelic as anything. this seemed incredibly tame
Maybe educate your hosts a bit better. You claim to be a journalistic agency but allow your host to spout his opinionated stigma calling Ketamine "horse tranquilizers" which he is clearly doing to espouse a negative connotation. Ketamine is used in veterinary practice, yes, just like hundreds of other substances that potentiate in both animals and humans. This ranges from opioids to antibiotics and antidepressants. Ketamine is still used widely for anaesthetic purposes in hospitals around the world when combined with more common drugs like fentanyl. The fact that this host doesn't even have a common grasp on the substance in this video is an appalling subversion of journalism
Holy guacamole
@@conlangknow8787 holy guaKhole!
@@shakeroxlives3861 nah
As the talk was of getting a massive dose of k, I was thinking "Damn, that's got to be like 150 or 200 mg of ketamine!" When I found out it was only 0.6 to 0.8 mg/kg I was completely dumbfounded. That's just slightly over the typical microdosing for most depression treatment infusions, and some do 1 mg/kg. When I was doing street k before I was able to get into a legit clinic I was going through 3-3.5 g of k in less than a week. Then again, apparently unlike a lot of people I really enjoyed the k-hole experience. I described some of them to my oldest and she thought they sounded horrifying but I thoroughly enjoyed them all. Granted the best one was when I felt I had created an entire universe and populated a planet with beings. Still really miss that one.
It wasn't 0.6 mg. It was 0.6 mg per kg of their weight, and a guy his size weighs around 50-60 kg.
@@imnotsure343 they know. that's why they put mg/kg. /=per
Did an infusion last night and my depth of field behind closed eyes was infinite and I saw organic matter forming, mounds of some type of matter looking substance and it was like I was witnessing the growth of a landscape that was making a giant spiral. It was cool and your comment struck a familiar cord.
@shelterfromcold8620 Same! I had my 3rd treatment the other day at 1.2 mg/kg. I witnessed part of what was a giant being, but couldn't get a glimpse of the entire being. I heard it say "look at what I've created" and as I pan over to look, my song list took me elsewhere. It's like I was in a cockpit of some craft in space observing dark red/purple organic matter.
It was strange to see this guy not really experience ketamine. I get the thing on his head but why were they having him read things and talk to him? How was he even able to talk coherently? Like, I'm completely gone. Even on the .8mg/kg I started at. Didn't have visuals in that one though but still was great. But hey, this is a six year old video and we've come a long way since then.
From my experiences of doing different types of K it was always a lot of fun when you did just enough to feel like you were bouncing around and other times the K-Hole could be fun too.
With my experiences though I don’t think what he was administered was what I would call a K-Hole. Dude could read and talk normally. Most people, including myself, couldn’t read if they tried when in a hole or even talk clearly.
yeah thats what i thought. didn't seem like alot of ket at all tbh. it's very very hard to do much of anything In a khole,for me. they said like 70mg which isnt a giant amount and they did it over a longer period of time.
Those were not the sounds (talking) I make when I k-hole 🤣
You are all absolutely right. There is no way a guy that size gets anywhere near a k-hole on 70 mg IV. I get more than that for my depression at least once a week and I never come close to a k-hole there. Now when I was going through an 8 ball in like 4-5 days before I got into a legit clinic, then I would def k-hole...as many times as I could (clearly)
He most definitely was not
Last time I did K my friends looks like Lego people..... it was fantastic
Mekanical Dave I call it robot world
@@n1ck1930 roblox
Once you see shit like tht it cant be unseen
E v e r y t h i n g i s a w e s o m e
FUCKING MINECRAFT
Next week see how Timmy gets rid of his new ket habit with the crack cocaine study 😂
Come on. when I sniff wonk I can't even count to 10 let alone fill a form in about the experience.
I can snort a gram and have a relatively normal conversation. The tolerance on that stuff can go very high.
Vlad the Inhaler yeah I know a mate who went from getting wonky from a small line to blowing metre Long lines and not being able to K hole.
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@@VladtheInhaler Bullshit. I had some mates who were HEAVY into K back in the day. We're talking daily use for a few years. One of them was a dealer, so they had essentially infinite supply. I saw the dealer do a 1g line "for science". His entire body went stiff and he was out like a light. If you can take a g of K and still function, your K is less than 20% pure.
to be fair infusions produce different effects and it was administered in a careful way
Thank you for bringing light to this potential therapy.
Having a grand mal seizure leading to an after death experience shut down my heavy drinking immediately. 8 years ago. Not a drop since. And all my choice. No rehab. After 25 years of superboozin. I wish I nipped it in the bud when I was 24 like this guy.
Hope Timmy gets on alright, seems like a good guy
He had a good run with a free ketamine injection
Our model of addiction has been flawed for a long time and we've known it.. Theres no hooks, your addiction is a reptitive behavior to self medicate sadness or loneliness. Our brain unconsciously seeks out mind altering drugs as a method of escaping from the self. We associate alcohol with the feeling of sadness the same way we associate tylenol with headaches. Every Time our headache is triggered, through association our brain get's primed to seek out relief in order to lower stress levels. It's all mediated through the amygdala.
Right. Except many of these drugs cause real physical dependency.
He goes through all that effort to quit alcohol and the first thing he says after the infusion is "I could use a cigarette".... jesus christ.
Spoken like someone who clearly isn't an addict.
Well, they also weren't specifically using this for the purpose of quitting smoking. They were specifically targeting his alcohol consumption habits, and in other studies using different psychedelics (psilocybin mushrooms), they have been able to specifically target smoking, with pretty decent results.
@@georgesoros8589 that would be understandable, it's the fact that he obviously also doesn't know any alcoholics or their typical behavior. Lives in a bubble.
he did not khole , the entire experience was more or less pseudo bullshit .
like people who say they have lsd experience after microdosing a few times.
Swim unintentionally did this to himself.
He has a long past of heavy drinking, can never have "just one , and a desire for alcohol with environmental triggers (hot day, cold beer/celebration means liquor).
Swim took a lot of K, proceeded to have a night out at the bar drinking only club soda. Swim repeated this 2 or 3 times. Later he noticed there was absolutely zero desire / want / need for alcohol. Swim was confused because he had never felt this "non-desire" for alcohol feeling in his life. Swim thinks something "flipped" in his brain, 6 months later he still has zero desire for alcohol and can enjoy one beer or glass of wine on very rare occasions.
1:49 "Horse tranquilizer" is just a word. It's sad that a label of a drug would bring a negative view on his effects. Some people fear LSD because the word "acid" doesn't sound right in their ear.
Really love his poster at the start of this, would love to have one tbh
so it didn't work & he has bad friends encouraging him to drink when he said he didn't want to that's messed up
Vice: Let's talk about Drugs. Shall we? . Yeah every single day!!
It's ether drugs or LGBT community.
That is what vice does, talks to those the world considers bad or strange and thus "vice".
What the fuck do you want them to talk about ?!fidget spinners ?!
I am not saying that drugs are not interesting but there many things to talk about . I am gonna name just a few off the top of my head: war in Syria, new archaeological findings, illegal deforestation, illegal weapon trade, sharia law, the growing chatolicism in china, Duterte's regime, Erdogan's regime, Columbia's communist transformation, new means of nuclear power, the nuclear fusion reactor, generative design, bioengineering, strange traditions, the Chinese tourist invasion. And I could go on and on and on
lmfao, then make your own documentaries if you're going to complain like that, go investigate the illegal weapon trade for yourself, or you can go to Syria. Goodluck with that!
Even though Vice is a bit... Messy. It still yields amazing information and results for episodes like this. Interesting to know what's happening in the world.
the way he lowkey called out the researchers about the suggestive questions in a study lmao
I wish people wouldn't automatically think of ketamin as a "horse tranquilser" as its given regularly by hospitals and emergency situations. I was given ketamin to induce me for an operation last year, it felt horrible lol I've been given propofol for induction before too and that felt far easier on me. But if this can help peoples mental health that would be wonderful
This study reminds me of the idea of MKUltra, using psychoactive substances and psychological cues in combination to change someones mind on a subject. I think the difference here is he knows that he wants to quit drinking and because he's aware of the intent of the study it think it would definitely be possible. If youv'e ever done LSD you'll understand the weird way that it can make you have "realizations" and I imagine Ketamine has a similar effect although i've never tried it, I think that if they could find a good way to channel that it could be super effective at what is basically mind control.
Comparing the informed consent use of ketamine to MK Ultra is like comparing using an airsoft rifle to shoot someone with putting a shotgun in your mouth. Maybe it would be better to not talk about something if you don't actually know about what you are talking. I don't guess you know they have been using ketamine to treat severe major depressive disorder for over 20 years now, do you?
he just want to get that ketamin real bad
DieCouch I would too
just say you have an alcohol addiction...
Kevin Pathmanathan I have :D
"do you feel as if you are in a movie or a play"
I was half expecting Timmy to full on 'Jim' the camera
Ketamine and other drugs related to the group of Arylcyclohexylamines do have a big potential for healing. But should be taken rarely in therapeutic sessions. As usual if something feels good and liberating there is the tendency to take it more often then
necessary and turn this "medicine" into a new addictive behavior.
Is it not strange that we like sometimes to be numbed?
"You feel comfortable dabbling in LSD and mescaline and in general things that society would frown upon, but you think drinking is the biggest problem?"
The way he said this so condescendingly immediately made me not want to listen to a word he says
If alcohol would have been discovered a week ago and distributed ilegally, you would have more deaths then any other drug.
Yeah lol what an idiot
"..but I wasn't sure a massive bag of Ketamine was the right way to go about it" hahaha
We used to take ketamine every week-end for clubbing mix with mdma we called this the turbo pills, such amazing experience. 😎
Lol
Yesssss
Timmy did that the weekend after I reckon. Realized he had to get back to his roots and away from this easy alcohol
@@epic_baller123 Brain damage is fun
I would happily partake in this..... For scientific purposes of course.
I have a pre-screening tomorrow for approval to a ketamine therapy program here in Canada - Wish me luck!
Ketamine is like a opioid feeing mixed with this weird “bending” feeling when you IV it.
It was great to help fentanyl withdrawals.
As well as to recreationally take.
Great pain killer too.
Could you breathe?
I injected 30ml of pure K and went in to a hole so deep I thought I died.
I in my mind died then had to feel the loss of my self , all my family , my daughter it was life changing.
Never again will I do K.
You ego deathed. It’s scary but insightful.
Jesus…..I’ve been in it deep but never *that* deep. I was horrified enough from what I saw…..
Tried K for the first time a couple of months ago. I am 45. It was not a pleasant experience. I would say it was a near death experience. I k-holed for about 30 min and it felt like an eternity. Reality became pixelated at very low resolution, felt like a robot and i begun to fall endlessly through a pit of darkness. It was scary.
They should do this for mental afflictions.
Just, you know, forget about it.
I totally agree about alcohol and FOOLISH BEHAVIOR.... even dangerous behavior... of course any substance may be abused, but alcohol can be ruinous at social doses.
i wonder if this type of therapy might have applications beyond addiction, such as for e.g. treatment of various types of mental traumas?
Does make me laugh how everyone says ketamine is a horse tranq, educate yourself please
10:30 Old Mark Hamill and then young Borat straight after, am I on Ketamine?!?
ahahah lol
Great success
This whole procedure may all be just another ritual placebo. Doesn't mean the placebo effect isn't powerful, though.
i wondered that, but the deep detachment aspect of ketamine is something else, makes a lot of sense here..
Fab, really interesting, does anyone know how the other participants did or where i can find results/summary of?
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When people talk about the good that can come from these substances and there allowed use we are talking about this right here.
I replaced alcohol with weed alot better choice if ya ask me.
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Not really....
My k hole experience was with dxm (945 mg in pills). It was amazing it was like the dark structures were beaming how all forms of consciousness work. At the same time I felt as if I was dead and I was just a consciousness free of the toxins of my experiences/personality.
This dosage was taken orally? Pls I need to know, cause I've only experienced 500mg and I felt like I was never going back, for a moment I thought that I was really another person, dissociated, couldn't control myself
@@kako12336 dude the only way to take dex is orally lmao
I'm sure you had a very profound hallucinogenic experience, but please don't call it a k-hole if you weren't taking ketamine. There is a big difference between a trip on DXM and a k-hole. Trust me, I'm very familiar with both, and if they were the same I would buy every bit of DXM I could find within 20 miles or so lol
@@kako12336 for a k-hole i usually take around 1 Gram of ketamine or less but i'm not a heavy user so it depends :)
@wtrdawnlord it doesn't matter if it is DXM, Ketamine, LSD, Shrooms or Molly, these all open the door to the realm that is between this life & the next, this is where the d*monic offspring of the fallen angels dwell and opening this door allows them in, to take full control over you. This is why you felt like another person. People just don't understand this. You see & experience things through their eyes.
First question from the host was really cringy, why would the doctorperson know that?
edwardnr17 which question?
Yea I had to rewind it twice and still Couldn't understand what he said.
Comparing it to a recreational dose
Perhaps the doctor had researched ketamine, since hes working with it?
If you think something plays too big of a role in your life there is only two options to change it no?
1 - Make this something smaller
or
2 - You find a way to make things you like bigger
and if you ask me 2 is the way to go because its the literally positive way, since instead of negating you grow.
beautiful!
My husband does ketamine therapy and it has helped his depression and anxiety tremendously
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When i was a hard drug user we used to inject special K and that was one of the craziest highs i have ever experienced besides LSD or shrooms
How was it?