Yeah, they did a shitty job, but I used to do this for a living and he may as well just fix what they did rather than start over. Drywall is forgiving and easy to fix. I'd be most pissed about them not staggering the joints, though as that can lead to cracks.
Yeah I was about to say the guy was kinda over reacting when he said he was gonna rip it all down. I've definitely seen worse than this and although it's a bad job, it didn't warrant it to be all torn down. Just fix all that with tape and mud, they do worse jobs in brand new apartment buildings
Believe it or not, this is better than a job I contacted a couple of months ago, lol. Enden up desmanteling everything and doing it myself. It was my first time ever hanging walls. I moved slowly but ended up doing a job 100 times better than the supposed "pros". All thanks to all you UA-camrs!
This is so common, it's almost a parable. So few people really are what they say they are, and in the United States there is really no way to tell, until one gets burnt. Even online ratings can be faked. Everyone is fake here.
Yep with the pros if you hire a good one they still only do C or B level work. If you want A level work you really have to do it yourself. If you hire a crappy company they are going to do D or F level work and leave you with the mess. This is why I hate pros who argue 'only pros can do X good' - Nah DIY adept people can do it better with more time.
Don't know the contractors everyone is using check references i am a carpenter and I have never advertised one day all word of mouth for the last 15 years
Pro is about speed. Of course If we charged 3x more and took sweet time on things mud will hide. I have seen mud fix everything he pointed out. Look at cars with Bondo. It looks horrible at first coat. After sanding and another Bondo you have a better chance
There is no way you hired a drywall contractor and your first time job was better. There also is no such thing as a "supposed Pro". They were either pros or not. Chances are you hired cheap and got what you paid for. Had to remove it and do it yourself because you blew money twice on the job. Good work ain't cheap. Cheap work ain't good
I completely agree man. I did the electrical, plumbing, and drywall in my house. I come from a computer engineering background. But have lots of family in construction and have learned from them and their friends.
I've used quikset mud to prefill and fix a multitude of sloppy cuts around electrical boxes and wide gaps. there's no need to panic there's always a fix.
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@@aaronhammond778 Not really offended. It's just the fact that the quality of work performed was far from someone who was even half way competent in the field. If a homeowner or really just your average Joe had presented something like that, no biggie, just means more work for them later, live and learn. If a professional does that kinda work, non stop bitching from the finishers and if they do bad the painters will get on their asses. Just horrible stuff. I did framing, drywall, and all the mud work for years. Still far from a master but I know the standard of quality. When I do work for friends, I deliver a job worth twice as much, for nothing but maybe a beer.... when the work is done lmao.
@@TheOfficialDjProduct understood and well taken. I'm just expressing myself as someone who has had to come in behind other people's sloppy work and fix and repair things and to me it was no big deal because I have knowledge in using quick set mud to hide a multitude of sloppy cuts and gaps to make the end result finish product look awesome.
I'm no professional drywaller, but I've hung a few hundred sheets in my time. I've never done it to a standard that I would expect from professionals, but I've also never hacked it up as horribly as these folks did. That was a complete disaster.
Professionals do a shit job most of the time man. Professionals focus on doing a good enough job as fast as possible. So most of the time you get C and B level work. You can do it yourself for A level work just with more time.
@@MMGJ10 I've done dry wall too man. I'd be ashamed of my work if that's what I had to show. Even just watching UA-cam videos about how to do it. You realize how to do it correctly. These people that cant follow directions are the worst, like bro why are you trying to spread miss information
Damn!! A friend and I were doing drywall in my old house... Turned out the neighbor across the street saw us loading in the sheets and came by the next day... He told us he could do the mud for us under the table in between his contract work. He looked at the room we'd already done and told me 100$ per room would do it!! I pounced on the offer!! We made it easy for him, minimal gaps, everything was even and used the material wisely to minimise joints wherever possible!! He ended up doing the whole thing in 3 days working on his dead time, the job was flawless and everyone was happy!! I can't believe there are people out there who charge for the sort of crap you got there!!
@Ty Hart $100 per room just to mud the joints? That's pricey, but I suppose if you have a bunch of other crap to do it might be worth it just to save 3 days.
@@brentiers that is actually very cheap. How many rooms.. say five. Only five hundred bucks that is dirt cheap. Id be worried hiring someone who worked that cheap.
I'd wager you didn't see them for the first week because you paid them ahead of time. They went on a drinking/drugging binge and only came back when their money ran out.
@@jayc4715 maybe you dont understand what multiple bids means. its not one person submitting multiple, its many companies submitting a single bid each. unless the client adds work, a contractors bid usually will not go up after submitted.
None of that stuff matters to a good finisher. It takes less time for the taper to fix it than it does for you to re-do it, assuming you hire a REAL taper. The major red flag I can see is the fact that they started finishing before they were even close to being done hanging.
Hmmm. The over cut devices are a problem. The drywall mud can break when the electrician installs the devices. If you don't give special attention to those areas you'll have an issue later. I have used strips of metal stud bent into the hole to prevent breakage and worked great.
As a drywall contractor, I see this type of thing constantly....but....sometimes it's because the customer just took the cheapest price...If those guys charged you the going rate, then shame on them...If you paid under the going rate....then you got exactly what you paid for.
If i did drywall, it doesnt matter how much it cost. They agree to do the job and did a shity one. When i was doing minimum wage at goodyear, all the cars I work on was the best that I know how to do. I took pride even though i get paid minimum wage.
@@internalharm Agree with this. I get “knowing your worth” but that means not accepting low paying jobs not doing a shitty job because you’re getting payed low. If you don’t like the pay, don’t do the job
Sometimes…but usually it’s because tradesmen these days just do sloppy ass work. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find “pros” at any price range to do quality work.
I’m a professional drywall/taper. If they started from the top, why did they trim the top? It defeats the purpose to start with a clean edge. Smart move to get rid of them!
Honestly, no drywall project goes without defects. Even professionals make mistakes. fortunately, a large majority can be easily fixed with proper techniques (hot mud, straight flex, etc.). However, the goal is to minimize these mistakes. The mistakes in the video shows poor craftsmanship and attention to detail but most of those could have been repaired and ended up with a really good finish. In the end, It’s what you feel comfortable with.
If it was one or two defects then sure. But if every box is WAY overcut, drywall damaged all over the place, you can tell they don't know what they're doing. Clear here they don't/can't use a rotozip, or a tape measure.
@@Donnybrook10 You don't have to rotozip the windows and conerbead wasn't done yet but they job looked like it was going to shit but everything there was easily salvageable
There’s so much work out there right now those guys probably packed up their tools and were working on another job within the hour. That’s part of the problem, you can’t find skilled craftsmen because they all have jobs. As a contractor, what you’re left to pick from are guys that do substandard work or they are just learning the trade. If you do have good guys, you better hang on to them.
I'm a handyman. I hate doing drywall. I avoid it as much as possible. And I do FAR better work than that!! Those guys don't qualify as handymen, let alone drywallers! And not showing up for a week after getting half the payment up front...unprofessional. I'm with you. I'd rip it out and start over and do it right.
I'm sooo glad I ran across this video. I'm DIYer remodeling my bathroom and I decided to give hanging, taping and mudding drywall a go. I was a bit u certain of what I'd done so far but after seeing this, I could just about hang out my shingle. Now, I'm more motivated than ever!
That only happens when you hire someone cheaper than others, most the time is where the problem is , you like pay cheap than quality but you can not have both, those 2 don't come together, so you only get for what you choose for!!
Learn my lesson the hard way , I didn't check references for the restoration company that my plumber recommended when I had ceiling leaked. They charged me $4,600 for 6 days of air blowing and dehumidifier. Tore half of my bathroom open because they can charged me more. Within 2 days of restoration , I got a called from contractor saying they want to come out and start working on my bathroom. I told them to go fuck off since my insurance still haven't approve anything. Found out they all working together getting kickback from referring each others. Luckily my insurance gave me $3,300 for restoration cost and another $3800 to fix my bathroom.
You'd be crazy to rip it down...I've been doing drywall for decades as a general contractor; 10's of thousands of sheets...I started subbing it out in the late 90's ...Some guys are great, some not so much...Finding competent guys these days is like finding hen's teeth...All the great crews are BOOKED for months...But; all that ugly is easy to fix...A good mud man can make it disappear...it's only a garage too, so don't be so anal... Go on facebook and ask friends to recommend someone...You might get some union weekender/nightshift guys...That's a three day job, with a three coat finish... Good luck...
Exactly what I thought watching this. been hanging and finishing drywall for like 3-4 years and ik all it needs is a lil prep work with some tape and durabond on those busted corners/edges and fucked up box cuts. Wayyyy cheaper and quicker than to tear it all down and restart lol
Yeah, not as bad as it sounds, I care more about the finished result than the process. Some guys are amazing spacklers but it doesn’t seem that way before the end.
I thought people would bash this guy for being so critical. Somebody that's good with mud can cover that shit up easy. It's kind of like stopping an artist halfway through his picture saying I know what your drawing isn't gonna turn out good. Wierd.
@@edzachary8657 it's a fact. When I write software I do research and follow best practices. DIY is not far off from that. That said, I've explicitly forbidden to let contractors get into my house unless it is extremely necessary.
@@walterdiaz2003 It's so funny how many of us IT individuals have this mentality. I didn't know the first thing about DIY when I bought my house 6 years ago, but I viewed it just like I would a web project and did the research, bought the necessary tools and did it step by step. I always just assumed that professionals were the way to go for these projects, but it turns out sometimes doing it yourself is far more satisfying, even if it has a little bit of a learning curve. I only hire contractors now for extremely difficult or dangerous tasks and attempt to do the rest myself. Good luck to you!
@@goomba478 When you solve problems that are highly complex all day every day, while constantly self educating, these types of tasks are not very intimidating. If you can handle CSS, you can handle drywall ;P
Terrible! Never piece drywall near an opening. Stagger all seams. don’t ruin every corner. And don’t mud with your bare hands. Tear it out start fresh. It’s $100 bucks worth of board.
Yeah but. It says alot about your general knowledge. He paid for Pros. Got just Reggi drywall guys. Its sloppy. You know that. And just because you can hide it with mud. Well , say no more
Gaps around electrical outlets are fire hazards. Yes, they can be fixed, but that isn't what you want to start with on a fresh job. Everything about that guy's experience said, fire them. I hope he got some of his money back.
Taking extra time to get things tight and cut neat outlets is well worth it. You will spend more time trying to fix nonsense than it took to do it right and you will get a better job when done right.
I work for a restoration company and we get guys that say they can hang dry wall, texture, mud or whatever and when they go on jobs they are clueless! It blows my mind that people lie and say they can do something but really can’t… I literally just experienced everything you just showed in the video and some. There were parts of the sheet rock that we’re hung but no screws on the studs lol. Good luck!
Was helping my friend hang a lid on a small commercial yesterday. I have “some” experience . My father who was in the trade for 40+ came down to be the foreman. The building was a 130 year old remodel . (Literally logs for joists). Wed get to areas where the ceiling was 3/4 out of level in 12 feet and out 1” square. He basically said that the best you can do its get withing 1/2 inch. Thats what tape and mud is for. And hes right. Dont be a hack but literally its just a base, itll be covered anyways.
A good finisher can make a lot of the hanging goofs invisible so I wouldn't tear it all down except maybe to stagger and straighten. No Coat corner bead is wide so those windows are fine. I always 45 notch butts and prefill with quickset including flats for everything, but most finishers today don't or won't do it. You're probably in the right to fire them because hanging (outside the physical aspect) is the easiest and least skilled part of this and their job doesn't look like they've done much of it...Makes me wary of what their finishing would look like. Don't take the lowest bid and check references is all I can say. There are great ones out there.
They shuld do real brick or concrete walls and problem solved. Whit all rescpect but you my American friends like yo build and live in Toy houses Made almost like they where cardboard.
@@ericjones1621 Here in México almost every house Is build whit Brick and concrete. I dont get why that would be prohivitibe in a succesfull country like yours.
I've been doing drywall all my life and you made the right choice by firing them. I've would have hot mudded the sloppy cuts though instead of ripping out the drywall
Funny how he's complaining about cracks on the walls and his ceiling has them also. I've been hanging and finishing drywall for years. You don't use mesh tape on flats or butt joints or corners. Only small patches and around showers or tubs. You get corners that will break, the best of the best even have broken corners once in awhile. Durabond will fix that, also you don't ever install your outlets and switches before the drywall is up , otherwise you risk cut wires or shorts. Also you don't match the seams , you stagger them and you don't hang the walls that way. But that job could easily be fixed without wasting the board.
I thought it was funny that the ceiling is harder to drywall then the walls and an electrician (me) did a way better job then the 'pro' did on the walls. I've addressed the outlets numerous times in the comments. And the wasted board is $11 sheets of drywall, I'll spend the extra $50 to not have to deal with the lifetime of cracking around outlets and switches. Probably more place could crack too because this isn't a full time heated garage temps will vary nearly 100 degrees.
@@ambientretreats2529 The ceiling is tapeable, maybe a bit of extra work but nothing horrible. I do a lot of drywall quality checks, the ceiling was much better than a lot of pros get away with right now.
Terrible. Better cuts mean less fixing outlets and edges. Also mudding around brand new boxes is unprofessional. A good installer knows how to cut windows , doors etc
There should be no joints by a door, they will crack as the door is opened and closed over time. That looked like weekend warrior with zero experience doing it themselves. Just awful workmanship. Easy call in firing them and thanks for sharing.
Had a similar situation years ago on a new house. The drywall crew begged for the job as things were slow. Then asked for money up front to buy materials. Didn't show up for almost two weeks. Found out they took their family's to Reno for the week (On my money). I made sure the material supplier was paid before their final payment. The job was so so. Never used them again.
This is exactly why I do everything myself, everytime I hire someone I get work not quite as bad as this but bad in my eyes. Oddly I never use low price either. So frustrating what happened to quality and pride in your work, it is mostly non-existent today. I started a painting contracting business while in grad school, I was amazed at how fast it was growing in a few years from acting professional, fairly pricing jobs, typically did more than I had to ensuring high quality. I had several people pay me extra with the explanation “please accept this extra because we can’t thank you enough for showing up when you said you would, were clean, put an honest day in each day”. I hired someone to install a page walkway (wife’s call) on a level lawn, I asked for 2 things; want walkway flat level with grass line and a sweeping turn not a 90 degree turn. Idiots couldn’t get walkway level I bitched until I received an email from the owner “please leave my guys along it’s just a walkway”. First winter their walkway raised up and my fence gate wouldn’t open all the way….WTF. I was on these guys for two weeks to get level and convinced they just wouldn’t to spite me so gave up and just wanted them off my property. Ended fixing myself.
You should put those contractors on blast so nobody else uses them. I’ve been in business for over ten years now. Paint, drywall, property maintenance. I’d be ashamed of my guys and offer to do it for free just to make you happy.
As a drywall finnisher , I would say good call ...sometimes butts in garage aren't cut out like when its just a fire tape , maby low cost apartments, just the fact thay started mudding before finishing hanging the drywall is a red flag ,
Don’t get me wrong here, I see why you fired them. But plug, switches go in after drywall is hung and finished. Insulation paper goes on inside of stud so you can glue drywall to stud. You only need to fill big gaps in drywall before taping.
Raha not sure what part you mean by you don’t think so. I’ve been a contractor in the remodeling business for 19 years and hung more board feet of drywall than I care to remember. Cutting out electrical boxes is much easier with no electrical devises installed. Any full time drywall hanger would have made you remove them. Glueing drywall to the studs means less screws in the middle of the board. In return less time finishing and no future screw pops. You can post a video of your poor job you where getting (that you were) but watch some on hanging techniques. Just my opinion.
@@JeremyWatson3355 Wow, I work for the govt so, needless to say, quality and efficiency are not a priority. That said, never seen it done that way but I'll ask the electricians. Plainly much easier for the drywallers. So you have the electricians do the boxes ?! Very surprised. Never seen glue used either, nice idea but seems like it would be time consuming and expensive. What area of the country are you in?
As an electrician, I would never put my devices in before drywall goes up lmao. There would be mud in every hole of every receptacle. That would basically be asking for my stuff to get wrecked. I don't even like putting my devices in before paint. But I guess it's done differently everywhere. Some drywallers & mudders must be good enough to work around them.
@@thiscommentmightbefunny.1810 What areas are you guys in? I work around all trades and a couple guys at work build homes on the side so I will be asking around. This is honestly pretty weird, I would think you guys are screwing with me but that would be weird also. I'm in the OKC area.
Some of this is truly unacceptable. Butt joints at door and window openings? Nope. Nothing will keep those from cracking. The ugliness? It would depend on whether or not I trusted them to fix things correctly. If I thought I was going to have to babysit them to get a good job I'd cut them loose in a heartbeat. As others have said though, no hanging job is perfect. Starting to tape before the rock is up? Meh. If there was some dead time I could see that happening even if I wouldn't do it. A really high end builder taught me the value of presentation. It doesn't matter how good the finished product winds up being, if the customer sees a jobsite that looks out of control they aren't going to trust you. I guess that's one way I separate the men from the boys.
Oh ya I broke my rule of going with the middle of the road priced guy and went with the cheapest. 100% a lapse in judgment on my part or possibly I wasn't giving the proper credit and resect to the skill of a good drywall guy.
@@440Trick yes, myself my wife and one other guy did a job that size recently, hung finished, primed and painted in...... 1 day! Believe it or not. 20 minutes set type mud mixed and applied by 3 people at same time really gets things going. Then i wet slick finish it, looks like plaster when im done.
As someone studying to become an electrician, I didn't understand much of what you were generally talking about but I was very interested in the wiring in the switches and outlets as that will be part of my future job.
As far as electrical. This garage has 100A service panel, whole garage surge protector, 18-8' LED lights, lots of plugs, 3 flood lights outside, LED soffet lighting, 3 - 30A welder outlets, a 2 post car lift and coming soon ... 10,000 watts of solar panels. I'll probably make a video when its done, but being that it is winter and I'm doing it in my spare time it will be spring before it's finished.
I feel you pain guy, only I didn’t catch them in time and they ruined my added space above the garage. All the joints bubbled and cracked. I can’t even go into that room now, makes me sick.
Man thats worst I've ever seen. They're DIY Always Always hang out 1to2 hrs man or sometimes just walking around and Asking questions you can figure out alot. It would have been over for me when they didn't show up and Never give out Any Money up front. Red Flags Why would they need Money upfront.
That’s not bad, the corner pieces will be added and cuts band aids. All those gaps can be filled. But hey I guess you’re the expert. Not sayings it’s top notch but usually the finishers and hangers are separate crews. Always take a before picture to locate your wiring ***
A good job starts with the beginning process being done correctly. Mudding can only help so much. Also when you say "band aids" that should only ever be done for a mistake... not a solution to poor handiwork.
I see a lot of people focusing on the workmanship. I got fired up about paying half up front and then not starting when scheduled. That's grounds for don't start anything, where's my money, now get off my property. I learned the hard way to never pay in advance, I don't care what anybody says about crooked customers not paying, make a legal document if you must. Once the half-assers get money, you drop on the priority list, and the job doesn't have to impress anymore.
I will agree with paying for materials up front. That did bite me on a fence I contracted out though, came home from vacation to every 10' post only buried 1.5 to 2 feet, and cut off at odd lengths, and the fence put up like stevie wonder did it, wavy and crooked. Had to rip it all out and do it myself, and buy new posts. That's one of my 'paid up front' experiences.
Are you serious? This is disgusting work. You should never have to pre fill that much and that is very sloppy work. Butts of the sheets are breaking on the same stud in 2 rows, those gaps are ridiculous and for “doing a lot of drywall” that’s unacceptable work. Try pulling that in multi million dollar homes
This could all be fixed easy. Shouldn’t have to rip it all down. The first day they didn’t show they should have been replaced. It takes no skill to be on time! Good luck brother! Hope it all works out better for you man.
Homeowners negotiate the most labor for the least amount of pay and wonder why they got a shit job. It’s like negotiating with a tattoo artist. You can want that $600 tattoo but when you negotiate it down to $250.69 you’re NOT going to get that $600 tattoo ! You’re getting a $250.69 tattoo ! Lol
Think this is the only time I posted the actual cost but here goes. Everyone else wanted $2000-$2500. This kid came in at $800. lol I said to myself, 'how bad could he fuck this up?' And here we are. :) And I didn't negotiate anything, these guys did all the negotiating for me. I just had to act like I didn't think he was crazy.
Pull down the mesh. It’s crap. Pull down any door or window that has a joint near it. Get a bag of dry mix and mix it up pretty thick. Pre-fill every square inch. Run from there.
These kind of guys are giving us, real drywall guys, a bad name. Sorry to see your job messed up. But not all is lost! Good taper can work his magic. Good luck!
That joint by the door will crack every time with the opening and closing of the door. My drywallers done the same thing around my back door after in asked them to make sure they use a full sheet around my doors I ripped it off and let them redo it the next morning.
The best way to find a good contractor is through word of mouth. That is 99% of my referrals. Just about everyone knows someone who has gotten work done. People tend to be critically honest about the work they had done when spending their hard earned money.
They nailed the bottom and banged the top in. That's how you get those wedge-splits in the corners. Good drywallers will nail the top first and let it hang, then the bottom nails. As for the mud, there is no prefill with mesh. But they DO have to get the seams reasonably flat and of a consistent width. Yeah. Let them go. NFG
@@ambientretreats2529 In my experience, most of them tack all the drywall up on the top and bottom, then move on to the next room while some other guy screws off the walls. And yes, they screw the lids. Doesn't change what they did to get those wedge-shaped tears. They beat it in when it was too tight.
You can tell yourself that but as an electrician I know that mud you put around the plates is going to crack and need to be repaired months or years down the road
The busted corners and forklift blight are things you have to work with not the biggest problem. The outlets and switches in the wall are a pain in the but. I mud behind a hanger who dosen't use a zip tool so I'm used to fixing boxes that look like that. My biggest problem with the job are the railroaded but joints and wondering if they are using hot mud with the fiber glass tape. They should have back filled any large cracks with quick set ( hot mud) before taping. Also wondering why they are starting to mud before all the rock is hung. There may be several reasons for them cutting the top sheet on the one wall.
My wife of 31 years has done all the taping and painting in our house. No sanding needed, she just wipes down the joints with a damp cloth. Smoother than a babies butt. I think ill keep her.😂😂😂
while based on thier work ethic i agree with you firing them, but as far as the things you pointed out. are they perfect?, nope. Can any decent drywall guy fix those issues with out re hanging the wall, yep.
Yeah I thought this vid was kind of petty crap honestly. Sure some things could be better like the outlets but the door and window🤨come on guy you kidding me with “idk how you trim over that”. Ya hire a pro trimmer that’s how you trim over that, guy! Jeez man. Hahaha
@@440Trick were you planning on a drywall jamb or a wood jamb? Drywall jamb would be tough with how car back them cuts are I would say. But Wood jamb would come out from the window flush to the drywall face and then trim would be nailed to the jamb and out on top of the drywall. Now if the drywall is back from the wood framing more than 2” then yes it’s a poor job but if it’s closer to the window then your ok, a trim carpenter can easily remedy that. Hope this makes sense and helps. I’m a master carpenter/ drywall/ general contractor and have learned how to work with other trades.
They shuld do real brick or concrete walls and problem solved. Whit all rescpect but you my American friends like yo build and live in Toy houses Made almost like they where cardboard.
This is your fault and will be a lesson of life. I've been down this road. Thanks for posting the video because you probably saved somebody else the misery of dealing with this type of situation.
After my career in the military, I bought a house in the country. So for the next couple years I went from room to room ripping back to studs. Ran Ann new electrical, phone and cable lines through the house. Even fixed the various plumbing issues. New windows and doors through was a plus. Now I save a lot on my monthly heating/cooling bills. The military taught me to fix everything in my home which I enjoy. The only thing I hate about drywall is the sanding of mud. Ugh. Other than that I’m good.
They were novices, no experience, but maybe saw it done by others. That mesh tape is ok, but I would only use it after prefilling with quick setting compound, which is more work, and more likely to crack than paper tape, so why bother? The right and easiest way is using premixed all purpose mud, remixed with some water added (several cups at least), and paper tape. All the butt joints should be staggered when first hung, and these railroaded joints are going to crack in time, almost guaranteed. What a mess, but you caught them early enough, and saved several thousand dollars at a minimum. I hope you got back the money you paid up front, and never prepay for more than the materials cost, and that’s for every construction project. Good luck!
Fiba tape and durabond 90 will never crack. Better yet. Mesh tape and perlite, cement and sheetrock 45 and all purpose the same day and call it a day. .👍
Yes, Mesh or fiba tape your seams. Paper tape your butts. You must use sheetrock or durabon on seams for ultimate bond. Put butts on with all purpose once dried. Go wide from the middle of paper tape to level wall with sheetrock. Once dried. Coat seams and butts with all purpose. End result is your base coat is solid and wont crack, the top coat is sandable, once dried sand heavy edges lightly ,a third tight coat over everything removes all little pockets for cleaner finish, less sanding. Follow these instruction for a premium finish, top dollar work. Have a great sunday.
I don’t understand why the plugs are in before the drywall is hung it sucks to cut the boxes that way you are rite about taping before finish hanging but goes back to my first question in this day and age what is rite
Foolish to think of tearing it down. Mostly cosmetic and make-work practices by not putting it up sensibly to save the taper time and effort (which means they were really only screwing themselves as long as they finished the job out).
Looking at the “work” they did you made the right decision before they used any more materials. It’s unfortunate these people are out there telling homeowners they are competent in that trade but they are also the type of people that keep me in business. Feel for ya mate😔
LOL, reminds me of a job my sister contracted out some years ago. They undertook to remove the lead paint from the walls and repaint. My brother in law and I walked in after they'd been at it for 4 or 5 hours and they had plastic sheeting everywhere and the walls were all primed. My BIL made a few sarcastic comments to me in a loud voice and we noticed the guys stiffened. We pressed them about the removal of the lead and the cheekiest bastard said they'd done it. What?? 4 hours and you've stripped and primed?? Woow you're far too good. Or cheats. He didn't like that and when I scaped some of the primer away there was the previous paint. The prick then said that they've yet to do that wall. BIL said 'so you prime the wall and take it all off with the lead, am I right?' he said yep and we both burst out laughing. The guy then said to my sister, 'Look lady, I don't think we could give you the finish you are looking for' then started to pack up.They were so quick to get out that they left a number of tools, about 10 litres of paint and all their plastic rolls. It was a good laugh but we had to clean it up and eventually did it ourselves. The other issue with these grubs, they scam single women and old people who have to later pay to get it all done again. Properly.
Good contractors are hard to find. Which is why referrals are so important, talk to friends who had work done, if they had a good trademen then use them. If they are 20% more, there is a reason for that
Prefill everything walls ceilings gaps cracks ….. and lots of people don’t know that manufacturer says mesh tape is to be used with setting type joint compound and not recommended for all purpose
When the video started, i was like "here we go, some perfectionist prick..." And then I'm like "OMG, how did these guys think this was somehow okay" 😲 This is a good video for diyers to gain some confidence on. As a kid trying to figure this stuff out all on my own without the internet, i was no where near this level of WTF.
This is why it’s never a bad idea to ask a trade guy for references.. The guys you hired to do that that have ZERO experience. guaranteed. They probably figured there’s good money in drywall right now, and gave it a go.. DIY guys don’t do that poor of a job! The give away is taping before it’s completely hung. Rookie move that makes no sense.. I know guys that will have that hung, taped, and sanded in a day or two.
No vapor barrier? You must live in the south. I put OSB in my garage so I could hang lighter items more easily. It only cost me a $100 more over sheetrock. It seemed like a no brainer to me. Good luck!
Everyone is a drywaller until a real drywaller shows up
Yip
Agreed
That's true bro 😂😂😂😂😂
100%.
And then there are 2 drywallers🤣
As I've been doing commercial drywall finishing for 15 years I've seen worse. I hope you didn't tear it down because a decent finisher could fix that.
Yeah it’s really not that bad. When you’re finishing you can fix bad outlet cuts like these with tape and mud in about 15 seconds a piece.
Yeah, they did a shitty job, but I used to do this for a living and he may as well just fix what they did rather than start over. Drywall is forgiving and easy to fix. I'd be most pissed about them not staggering the joints, though as that can lead to cracks.
Yeah I was about to say the guy was kinda over reacting when he said he was gonna rip it all down. I've definitely seen worse than this and although it's a bad job, it didn't warrant it to be all torn down. Just fix all that with tape and mud, they do worse jobs in brand new apartment buildings
Just what I was thinking
@@katkiller50 that’s why you screw and not nail. Lol I don’t know who uses nails on drywall my brother
The bitterness of poor quality remains LONG after the sweetness of low price is forgotten!
Seams could’ve been staggered better, but all that could’ve been finished quite easy. Big waste of time and money to rip all that out in my opinion
i agree finish work would easily cover up. but firing because of not showing up is valid
Seams could have been staggered ? These aren’t flooring or decking joint
Believe it or not, this is better than a job I contacted a couple of months ago, lol. Enden up desmanteling everything and doing it myself. It was my first time ever hanging walls. I moved slowly but ended up doing a job 100 times better than the supposed "pros". All thanks to all you UA-camrs!
This is so common, it's almost a parable. So few people really are what they say they are, and in the United States there is really no way to tell, until one gets burnt. Even online ratings can be faked. Everyone is fake here.
Yep with the pros if you hire a good one they still only do C or B level work.
If you want A level work you really have to do it yourself.
If you hire a crappy company they are going to do D or F level work and leave you with the mess.
This is why I hate pros who argue 'only pros can do X good' - Nah DIY adept people can do it better with more time.
Don't know the contractors everyone is using check references i am a carpenter and I have never advertised one day all word of mouth for the last 15 years
Pro is about speed. Of course If we charged 3x more and took sweet time on things mud will hide. I have seen mud fix everything he pointed out. Look at cars with Bondo. It looks horrible at first coat. After sanding and another Bondo you have a better chance
There is no way you hired a drywall contractor and your first time job was better. There also is no such thing as a "supposed Pro". They were either pros or not.
Chances are you hired cheap and got what you paid for. Had to remove it and do it yourself because you blew money twice on the job.
Good work ain't cheap. Cheap work ain't good
That's why I do everything myself - if I don't know how, I learn.
Lmfao, good luck learning how to mud and hang drywall. It’s taken me two years an I’m still incredibly inexperienced but go on and wreck your house.
Dang man that's an expensive way to learn. Hope you pick things up fast and dont mess up a lot.
@@waynewayne8419 you must be a really bad student. It’s one of the easiest things you can do in construction.
@@Fixin-To 🤣🤣
I completely agree man. I did the electrical, plumbing, and drywall in my house. I come from a computer engineering background. But have lots of family in construction and have learned from them and their friends.
I've used quikset mud to prefill and fix a multitude of sloppy cuts around electrical boxes and wide gaps. there's no need to panic there's always a fix.
Still, that kind of quality should not be coming from professionals. Looks like a whiskey cut. One too many shots and handed a router 🤣
He's not panicking. He's refusing to pay for shitty work. Holy fuck. If you think this kind of work is acceptable then you are a part of the problem.
@@isaackvasager9957 excuse me! my bad, I didn't mean to offend all the drywall prima donnas and all the drywall snobs. so let me get back in my place over here with all the drywall Jack legs and the drywall hacks🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🐂💩
@@aaronhammond778 Not really offended. It's just the fact that the quality of work performed was far from someone who was even half way competent in the field. If a homeowner or really just your average Joe had presented something like that, no biggie, just means more work for them later, live and learn. If a professional does that kinda work, non stop bitching from the finishers and if they do bad the painters will get on their asses. Just horrible stuff. I did framing, drywall, and all the mud work for years. Still far from a master but I know the standard of quality. When I do work for friends, I deliver a job worth twice as much, for nothing but maybe a beer.... when the work is done lmao.
@@TheOfficialDjProduct understood and well taken. I'm just expressing myself as someone who has had to come in behind other people's sloppy work and fix and repair things and to me it was no big deal because I have knowledge in using quick set mud to hide a multitude of sloppy cuts and gaps to make the end result finish product look awesome.
Damn I would hired out the ceiling instead of the walls haha
No shit, lol!!
Typical trumpanzee
@@1219ess and you're a typical racist Ed.
@@1219ess Keep voting for the authoritarians buddy. 👍
We'll be in camps before too long.
@@MMGJ10 fear monger much? You dopes live in fear ! They are coming for us ! Bunch of dopes
I did a crappy dry wall job. Fired myself. Then rehired myself when I got better.
Well that’s gay!
How dust you take it? Those conversations can be difficult.
Best comment on here by far!!!
I don't comment often, but Squad had got me in tears! Way to go!
I'm no professional drywaller, but I've hung a few hundred sheets in my time. I've never done it to a standard that I would expect from professionals, but I've also never hacked it up as horribly as these folks did. That was a complete disaster.
Same here. I'm no pro drywaller, but I've done a good bit, and never anything this terrible.
I'd be embarrassed as hell to ask for money for that.
Professionals do a shit job most of the time man.
Professionals focus on doing a good enough job as fast as possible. So most of the time you get C and B level work.
You can do it yourself for A level work just with more time.
@@Lolatyou332 I think most of my work was in the B+ range, but I always set standards for myself a little higher than I can feasibly reach lol
@@MMGJ10 I've done dry wall too man. I'd be ashamed of my work if that's what I had to show. Even just watching UA-cam videos about how to do it. You realize how to do it correctly. These people that cant follow directions are the worst, like bro why are you trying to spread miss information
@@Lolatyou332 agree going fast is name of game but, I see gradeA finish work all the time.
Damn!! A friend and I were doing drywall in my old house... Turned out the neighbor across the street saw us loading in the sheets and came by the next day... He told us he could do the mud for us under the table in between his contract work. He looked at the room we'd already done and told me 100$ per room would do it!! I pounced on the offer!! We made it easy for him, minimal gaps, everything was even and used the material wisely to minimise joints wherever possible!! He ended up doing the whole thing in 3 days working on his dead time, the job was flawless and everyone was happy!! I can't believe there are people out there who charge for the sort of crap you got there!!
@Ty Hart $100 per room just to mud the joints? That's pricey, but I suppose if you have a bunch of other crap to do it might be worth it just to save 3 days.
100 dollars per room to do the shitty part no one likes?
They got a deal
@@brentiers that is actually very cheap. How many rooms.. say five. Only five hundred bucks that is dirt cheap. Id be worried hiring someone who worked that cheap.
$100 per room?!?! How long ago was this? I'll fly him in and put him up in a hotel with as much work as he wants for that price
@@LittleBunnyKungFoo just don't mention that each room is 1000 square feet lol
I'd wager you didn't see them for the first week because you paid them ahead of time. They went on a drinking/drugging binge and only came back when their money ran out.
you suppose he took the cheapest bid too?
Exactly. There’s an expression in Spanish that essentially translates the idea; “The musical band always sounds bad when you pay them in advance.”
@@domusdebellum3042 of course, see my reply to william myers comment
@@domusdebellum3042 if these losers bid higher do you really think the job would have came out better?
@@jayc4715 maybe you dont understand what multiple bids means. its not one person submitting multiple, its many companies submitting a single bid each. unless the client adds work, a contractors bid usually will not go up after submitted.
None of that stuff matters to a good finisher. It takes less time for the taper to fix it than it does for you to re-do it, assuming you hire a REAL taper. The major red flag I can see is the fact that they started finishing before they were even close to being done hanging.
Agreed got to finish hanging before you start mudding unless it's multiple rooms and you got a couple guys hanging and a couple guys mudding....
I concur doctor
Structolite and Durabond 90 would take care of most of that.
@@12yearssober why 90? Why not use some 20 and get it done faster...or use some 45 with added accelerator....
Hmmm. The over cut devices are a problem. The drywall mud can break when the electrician installs the devices.
If you don't give special attention to those areas you'll have an issue later.
I have used strips of metal stud bent into the hole to prevent breakage and worked great.
As a drywall contractor, I see this type of thing constantly....but....sometimes it's because the customer just took the cheapest price...If those guys charged you the going rate, then shame on them...If you paid under the going rate....then you got exactly what you paid for.
Bingo
If i did drywall, it doesnt matter how much it cost. They agree to do the job and did a shity one. When i was doing minimum wage at goodyear, all the cars I work on was the best that I know how to do. I took pride even though i get paid minimum wage.
@@internalharm Agree with this. I get “knowing your worth” but that means not accepting low paying jobs not doing a shitty job because you’re getting payed low. If you don’t like the pay, don’t do the job
Sometimes…but usually it’s because tradesmen these days just do sloppy ass work. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find “pros” at any price range to do quality work.
A typical contractor's response. Though has some degree of truth to it. Usually the "going" range is pretty wide, so "too cheap" is subjective
I’m a professional drywall/taper. If they started from the top, why did they trim the top? It defeats the purpose to start with a clean edge. Smart move to get rid of them!
because the electric boxes were a problem for them and they lacked the skill to measure and cut. You can see what their intent was.
I was wondering the same thing.
Honestly, no drywall project goes without defects. Even professionals make mistakes. fortunately, a large majority can be easily fixed with proper techniques (hot mud, straight flex, etc.). However, the goal is to minimize these mistakes. The mistakes in the video shows poor craftsmanship and attention to detail but most of those could have been repaired and ended up with a really good finish. In the end, It’s what you feel comfortable with.
If it was one or two defects then sure. But if every box is WAY overcut, drywall damaged all over the place, you can tell they don't know what they're doing. Clear here they don't/can't use a rotozip, or a tape measure.
repairs on EVERY sheet? Cmon
@@Donnybrook10 You don't have to rotozip the windows and conerbead wasn't done yet but they job looked like it was going to shit but everything there was easily salvageable
There’s so much work out there right now those guys probably packed up their tools and were working on another job within the hour. That’s part of the problem, you can’t find skilled craftsmen because they all have jobs. As a contractor, what you’re left to pick from are guys that do substandard work or they are just learning the trade. If you do have good guys, you better hang on to them.
Whilst some truth in this, the whole thing is a mistake.
I'm a handyman. I hate doing drywall. I avoid it as much as possible. And I do FAR better work than that!! Those guys don't qualify as handymen, let alone drywallers! And not showing up for a week after getting half the payment up front...unprofessional. I'm with you. I'd rip it out and start over and do it right.
And all the hacks would say “you’re being too picky, it’s really not so bad!”
I'm sooo glad I ran across this video. I'm DIYer remodeling my bathroom and I decided to give hanging, taping and mudding drywall a go. I was a bit u certain of what I'd done so far but after seeing this, I could just about hang out my shingle. Now, I'm more motivated than ever!
Shit, if they were supposed to start on Monday and they didn't I would have fired them right then
I agree. Would have never paid then half upfront showing up late
That only happens when you hire someone cheaper than others, most the time is where the problem is , you like pay cheap than quality but you can not have both, those 2 don't come together, so you only get for what you choose for!!
Learn my lesson the hard way , I didn't check references for the restoration company that my plumber recommended when I had ceiling leaked. They charged me $4,600 for 6 days of air blowing and dehumidifier. Tore half of my bathroom open because they can charged me more. Within 2 days of restoration , I got a called from contractor saying they want to come out and start working on my bathroom. I told them to go fuck off since my insurance still haven't approve anything. Found out they all working together getting kickback from referring each others. Luckily my insurance gave me $3,300 for restoration cost and another $3800 to fix my bathroom.
I gave you a like just for your name alone
looks like low bid wins again
You'd be crazy to rip it down...I've been doing drywall for decades as a general contractor; 10's of thousands of sheets...I started subbing it out in the late 90's ...Some guys are great, some not so much...Finding competent guys these days is like finding hen's teeth...All the great crews are BOOKED for months...But; all that ugly is easy to fix...A good mud man can make it disappear...it's only a garage too, so don't be so anal...
Go on facebook and ask friends to recommend someone...You might get some union weekender/nightshift guys...That's a three day job, with a three coat finish... Good luck...
Exactly what I thought watching this. been hanging and finishing drywall for like 3-4 years and ik all it needs is a lil prep work with some tape and durabond on those busted corners/edges and fucked up box cuts. Wayyyy cheaper and quicker than to tear it all down and restart lol
@@Tpowershutdown :)...Exactly, I've fixed stuff that makes that job, look like it was done by 15 years union trained Irish rockers in Boston...:)
Yeah, not as bad as it sounds,
Yeah, not as bad as it sounds, I care more about the finished result than the process. Some guys are amazing spacklers but it doesn’t seem that way before the end.
I thought people would bash this guy for being so critical. Somebody that's good with mud can cover that shit up easy. It's kind of like stopping an artist halfway through his picture saying I know what your drawing isn't gonna turn out good. Wierd.
I'm an IT guy who has been doing a project here at home. Even my drywall looks better than that! You were wise to fire them man.
I have become a DIYer because of those reasons, I have paid for services that look worse if I done them smh..
@@fidelgarcia5683 that's funny
@@edzachary8657 it's a fact. When I write software I do research and follow best practices. DIY is not far off from that. That said, I've explicitly forbidden to let contractors get into my house unless it is extremely necessary.
@@walterdiaz2003 It's so funny how many of us IT individuals have this mentality. I didn't know the first thing about DIY when I bought my house 6 years ago, but I viewed it just like I would a web project and did the research, bought the necessary tools and did it step by step. I always just assumed that professionals were the way to go for these projects, but it turns out sometimes doing it yourself is far more satisfying, even if it has a little bit of a learning curve. I only hire contractors now for extremely difficult or dangerous tasks and attempt to do the rest myself. Good luck to you!
@@goomba478 When you solve problems that are highly complex all day every day, while constantly self educating, these types of tasks are not very intimidating. If you can handle CSS, you can handle drywall ;P
Terrible! Never piece drywall near an opening. Stagger all seams. don’t ruin every corner. And don’t mud with your bare hands. Tear it out start fresh. It’s $100 bucks worth of board.
I'm a female learning to do my first drywall job for my small house I purchased not too long ago, and what I did looks better than that... wow.
Why did your gender have anything to do with your new found drywall skills!?
This made me uncomfortable. I'm a female and hang drywall with my eyes closed and looks beautiful. It's like your undermining urself. Pitiful.
I’ve seen worse drywall hung .. and an amazing finished job.. it takes another contractor to acknowledge
My thoughts exactly!
Yeah but. It says alot about your general knowledge. He paid for Pros. Got just Reggi drywall guys. Its sloppy. You know that. And just because you can hide it with mud. Well , say no more
@@jeromeduffy9270 it’s not hiding it just perfecting the job..
@@draketracy6969 Ehh I ain't too sure. I can do that. Why pay good money for sub standard
Gaps around electrical outlets are fire hazards. Yes, they can be fixed, but that isn't what you want to start with on a fresh job. Everything about that guy's experience said, fire them. I hope he got some of his money back.
Taking extra time to get things tight and cut neat outlets is well worth it. You will spend more time trying to fix nonsense than it took to do it right and you will get a better job when done right.
I dont have an hour for you to cut a hole. Lets move junior
Rotozip makes it easy
Damn that's the worst drywall job I've ever seen! sorry you got screwed buddy.
I work for a restoration company and we get guys that say they can hang dry wall, texture, mud or whatever and when they go on jobs they are clueless! It blows my mind that people lie and say they can do something but really can’t… I literally just experienced everything you just showed in the video and some. There were parts of the sheet rock that we’re hung but no screws on the studs lol. Good luck!
Was helping my friend hang a lid on a small commercial yesterday. I have “some” experience . My father who was in the trade for 40+ came down to be the foreman. The building was a 130 year old remodel . (Literally logs for joists). Wed get to areas where the ceiling was 3/4 out of level in 12 feet and out 1” square. He basically said that the best you can do its get withing 1/2 inch. Thats what tape and mud is for. And hes right. Dont be a hack but literally its just a base, itll be covered anyways.
apples and oranges. This garage is relatively new construction with perfect right angles. There's no excuse.
Just an FYI. When you have walls that are that rough, that's what strapping and Cedar Shakes are used for
The work should be much tighter and neater if you’re a contractor.
“Drywallers”
A good finisher can make a lot of the hanging goofs invisible so I wouldn't tear it all down except maybe to stagger and straighten. No Coat corner bead is wide so those windows are fine. I always 45 notch butts and prefill with quickset including flats for everything, but most finishers today don't or won't do it. You're probably in the right to fire them because hanging (outside the physical aspect) is the easiest and least skilled part of this and their job doesn't look like they've done much of it...Makes me wary of what their finishing would look like. Don't take the lowest bid and check references is all I can say. There are great ones out there.
They shuld do real brick or concrete walls and problem solved. Whit all rescpect but you my American friends like yo build and live in Toy houses Made almost like they where cardboard.
@@AlexMartinez-hr5gm Brick and concrete is cost prohibitive. Drywall is cheap.
@@ericjones1621 Here in México almost every house Is build whit Brick and concrete. I dont get why that would be prohivitibe in a succesfull country like yours.
@@AlexMartinez-hr5gm this isn't true at all
@@AlexMartinez-hr5gm Mexico manufactures a boat load of bricks.
I'm retired now but I hung rock for 30 years and it's pretty obvious that they had no clue what they were doing.
How drunk were these guys? No excuse for crappy work. If you don't take pride in your work then go flip burgers.
Still trying to understand why you did the ceiling and hired out walls
got busy and ran out of personal time.
I've been doing drywall all my life and you made the right choice by firing them.
I've would have hot mudded the sloppy cuts though instead of ripping out the drywall
You can fix a lot of that, but damn ... you shouldn't have to. Cost more to fix than it does to hang it right to begin with.
Nothing mud cant fix. Lol
I would just duct tape the joints and then spray paint the duct tape. They say duct tape can fix anything
@@andrewferguson8032 lol classy fix. Although you can just buy white ducttape and cut out a step
@@Teh_Random_Canadian why didn’t I think of that?
Cheap work isn’t good and good work isn’t cheap
Funny how he's complaining about cracks on the walls and his ceiling has them also. I've been hanging and finishing drywall for years. You don't use mesh tape on flats or butt joints or corners. Only small patches and around showers or tubs. You get corners that will break, the best of the best even have broken corners once in awhile. Durabond will fix that, also you don't ever install your outlets and switches before the drywall is up , otherwise you risk cut wires or shorts. Also you don't match the seams , you stagger them and you don't hang the walls that way. But that job could easily be fixed without wasting the board.
I thought it was funny that the ceiling is harder to drywall then the walls and an electrician (me) did a way better job then the 'pro' did on the walls.
I've addressed the outlets numerous times in the comments. And the wasted board is $11 sheets of drywall, I'll spend the extra $50 to not have to deal with the lifetime of cracking around outlets and switches. Probably more place could crack too because this isn't a full time heated garage temps will vary nearly 100 degrees.
On point!
Your ceiling is horrible bro... Did they ever say they were "Pros"? Probably not
@@ambientretreats2529 The ceiling is tapeable, maybe a bit of extra work but nothing horrible. I do a lot of drywall quality checks, the ceiling was much better than a lot of pros get away with right now.
Terrible. Better cuts mean less fixing outlets and edges. Also mudding around brand new boxes is unprofessional. A good installer knows how to cut windows , doors etc
There should be no joints by a door, they will crack as the door is opened and closed over time. That looked like weekend warrior with zero experience doing it themselves. Just awful workmanship. Easy call in firing them and thanks for sharing.
Had a similar situation years ago on a new house. The drywall crew begged for the job as things were slow. Then asked for money up front to buy materials. Didn't show up for almost two weeks. Found out they took their family's to Reno for the week (On my money). I made sure the material supplier was paid before their final payment. The job was so so. Never used them again.
This is exactly why I do everything myself, everytime I hire someone I get work not quite as bad as this but bad in my eyes. Oddly I never use low price either. So frustrating what happened to quality and pride in your work, it is mostly non-existent today. I started a painting contracting business while in grad school, I was amazed at how fast it was growing in a few years from acting professional, fairly pricing jobs, typically did more than I had to ensuring high quality. I had several people pay me extra with the explanation “please accept this extra because we can’t thank you enough for showing up when you said you would, were clean, put an honest day in each day”. I hired someone to install a page walkway (wife’s call) on a level lawn, I asked for 2 things; want walkway flat level with grass line and a sweeping turn not a 90 degree turn. Idiots couldn’t get walkway level I bitched until I received an email from the owner “please leave my guys along it’s just a walkway”. First winter their walkway raised up and my fence gate wouldn’t open all the way….WTF. I was on these guys for two weeks to get level and convinced they just wouldn’t to spite me so gave up and just wanted them off my property. Ended fixing myself.
In my 40 years as a builder, I have always seen rough wiring done before drywall is installle, but never are wiring devices attached before drywall.
Ive been hangin and taping for 25+ years and thats some of the worst ive seen. Good for you for firing them. I hope you get your money back aswell.
They drank that money Mon-Thursday
They were definitely high!
You should put those contractors on blast so nobody else uses them. I’ve been in business for over ten years now. Paint, drywall, property maintenance. I’d be ashamed of my guys and offer to do it for free just to make you happy.
These guys very obviously had about 0 training. You would have to know they are like this unless this is their first ever job under your company.
As a drywall finnisher , I would say good call ...sometimes butts in garage aren't cut out like when its just a fire tape , maby low cost apartments, just the fact thay started mudding before finishing hanging the drywall is a red flag ,
Yes pre fill is needed
Not needed separately. You can prefill while your taping.
@@doofusmaguilacutee4998 I find pre filling with 90 is best..it doesn't shrink
You hung the "top ceiling"? What the F is a "top ceiling"??
The lid.
Don’t get me wrong here, I see why you fired them. But plug, switches go in after drywall is hung and finished. Insulation paper goes on inside of stud so you can glue drywall to stud. You only need to fill big gaps in drywall before taping.
Dont think so. Why would you do that?
Raha not sure what part you mean by you don’t think so. I’ve been a contractor in the remodeling business for 19 years and hung more board feet of drywall than I care to remember. Cutting out electrical boxes is much easier with no electrical devises installed. Any full time drywall hanger would have made you remove them. Glueing drywall to the studs means less screws in the middle of the board. In return less time finishing and no future screw pops. You can post a video of your poor job you where getting (that you were) but watch some on hanging techniques. Just my opinion.
@@JeremyWatson3355 Wow, I work for the govt so, needless to say, quality and efficiency are not a priority. That said, never seen it done that way but I'll ask the electricians. Plainly much easier for the drywallers. So you have the electricians do the boxes ?! Very surprised. Never seen glue used either, nice idea but seems like it would be time consuming and expensive. What area of the country are you in?
As an electrician, I would never put my devices in before drywall goes up lmao.
There would be mud in every hole of every receptacle. That would basically be asking for my stuff to get wrecked.
I don't even like putting my devices in before paint.
But I guess it's done differently everywhere.
Some drywallers & mudders must be good enough to work around them.
@@thiscommentmightbefunny.1810 What areas are you guys in? I work around all trades and a couple guys at work build homes on the side so I will be asking around. This is honestly pretty weird, I would think you guys are screwing with me but that would be weird also. I'm in the OKC area.
They weren't drywallers but guys who found tools.
You only use mesh tape with hotmud! Its printed right on the tape wrapper.
99.9% of failures of mesh tape are from not using hot mud with it. I still wouldn't tape with it but great for repairs.
A four corner joint left of window, yikes!
Righteous firing dude.
Some of this is truly unacceptable. Butt joints at door and window openings? Nope. Nothing will keep those from cracking. The ugliness? It would depend on whether or not I trusted them to fix things correctly. If I thought I was going to have to babysit them to get a good job I'd cut them loose in a heartbeat. As others have said though, no hanging job is perfect. Starting to tape before the rock is up? Meh. If there was some dead time I could see that happening even if I wouldn't do it. A really high end builder taught me the value of presentation. It doesn't matter how good the finished product winds up being, if the customer sees a jobsite that looks out of control they aren't going to trust you. I guess that's one way I separate the men from the boys.
good points
Cut edges at doors and windows dont matter they will be boxed with trim, youll never see it
@@ambientretreats2529 cut edges don't matter. Butt joints do.
I always make sure the jobs are clean. Becaus most people look and the surroundings.
Question is…
Do you go with lowest estimate hoping for best results..?
erm..., I mean.. uh... lol.
Well what were they charging? You might of went went a low bid. It’s hard to know until you tell us what they were charging
Oh ya I broke my rule of going with the middle of the road priced guy and went with the cheapest. 100% a lapse in judgment on my part or possibly I wasn't giving the proper credit and resect to the skill of a good drywall guy.
@@440Trick yes, myself my wife and one other guy did a job that size recently, hung finished, primed and painted in...... 1 day! Believe it or not. 20 minutes set type mud mixed and applied by 3 people at same time really gets things going. Then i wet slick finish it, looks like plaster when im done.
@@440Trick also i charge more than most but my progress levels are what your paying for. Sorry that happened to ya. Really screwed up situation.
As someone studying to become an electrician, I didn't understand much of what you were generally talking about but I was very interested in the wiring in the switches and outlets as that will be part of my future job.
As far as electrical. This garage has 100A service panel, whole garage surge protector, 18-8' LED lights, lots of plugs, 3 flood lights outside, LED soffet lighting, 3 - 30A welder outlets, a 2 post car lift and coming soon ... 10,000 watts of solar panels.
I'll probably make a video when its done, but being that it is winter and I'm doing it in my spare time it will be spring before it's finished.
I feel you pain guy, only I didn’t catch them in time and they ruined my added space above the garage. All the joints bubbled and cracked. I can’t even go into that room now, makes me sick.
Man thats worst I've ever seen. They're DIY Always Always hang out 1to2 hrs man or sometimes just walking around and Asking questions you can figure out alot. It would have been over for me when they didn't show up and Never give out Any Money up front. Red Flags Why would they need Money upfront.
That’s not bad, the corner pieces will be added and cuts band aids. All those gaps can be filled. But hey I guess you’re the expert. Not sayings it’s top notch but usually the finishers and hangers are separate crews. Always take a before picture to locate your wiring ***
Never in 18 years have I seen a crew that hung and couldn’t finish.
A good job starts with the beginning process being done correctly. Mudding can only help so much.
Also when you say "band aids" that should only ever be done for a mistake... not a solution to poor handiwork.
@@austinwolfe7295 well kinda… I mean I could easily fix all of those .
I see a lot of people focusing on the workmanship. I got fired up about paying half up front and then not starting when scheduled. That's grounds for don't start anything, where's my money, now get off my property. I learned the hard way to never pay in advance, I don't care what anybody says about crooked customers not paying, make a legal document if you must. Once the half-assers get money, you drop on the priority list, and the job doesn't have to impress anymore.
Depends on the job. If there is a large sum for materials involved customer needs to pay for that upfront. Labor not so much.
I will agree with paying for materials up front. That did bite me on a fence I contracted out though, came home from vacation to every 10' post only buried 1.5 to 2 feet, and cut off at odd lengths, and the fence put up like stevie wonder did it, wavy and crooked. Had to rip it all out and do it myself, and buy new posts. That's one of my 'paid up front' experiences.
@@bradanselment yeah, hard to find actual pros. I find referral is best, especially when you can look at the work.
I do a lot of drywall. It's amazing how some 20, fibafuse, skimming, can make everything look fantastic.
thought I was only one who actually did this.. incredible🙏🏼
Are you serious? This is disgusting work. You should never have to pre fill that much and that is very sloppy work. Butts of the sheets are breaking on the same stud in 2 rows, those gaps are ridiculous and for “doing a lot of drywall” that’s unacceptable work. Try pulling that in multi million dollar homes
@@beanzyshreds to be honest, I didn't look at it that closely. I was just saying that drywall is pretty easy to fix and make it look perfect.
Exactly
Hangers are cheep for a
Reason
This quality is comparable to a first time DIY. This must have legitimately been their first time installing or finishing drywall.
Yes they did a shit job but you made it way harder for the hangers by having the devices installed before it was hung.
I think u supposed to than how would you install the boxes
Boxes are firstfix in the uk
Switches after plaster is complete
I did that kind of work when I was 16; this man didn’t take his time at all
This could all be fixed easy. Shouldn’t have to rip it all down. The first day they didn’t show they should have been replaced. It takes no skill to be on time! Good luck brother! Hope it all works out better for you man.
All contractors imo. Fail to show up for something they schedule: fired.
They already had half their cost upfront. Firing them for being late is literally throwing money away
Homeowners negotiate the most labor for the least amount of pay and wonder why they got a shit job.
It’s like negotiating with a tattoo artist. You can want that $600 tattoo but when you negotiate it down to $250.69 you’re NOT going to get that $600 tattoo ! You’re getting a $250.69 tattoo ! Lol
Think this is the only time I posted the actual cost but here goes. Everyone else wanted $2000-$2500. This kid came in at $800. lol I said to myself, 'how bad could he fuck this up?' And here we are. :)
And I didn't negotiate anything, these guys did all the negotiating for me. I just had to act like I didn't think he was crazy.
Pull down the mesh. It’s crap. Pull down any door or window that has a joint near it. Get a bag of dry mix and mix it up pretty thick. Pre-fill every square inch. Run from there.
OMG never in 38 years in Construction have I ever seen a Drywall job that bad . Good luck man
These kind of guys are giving us, real drywall guys, a bad name. Sorry to see your job messed up. But not all is lost! Good taper can work his magic.
Good luck!
I transformed my garage into a room and I had to hang some drywall. First timer. Now I really feel like a professional after watching this.
Holy shit, they must of been drugged up
That joint by the door will crack every time with the opening and closing of the door. My drywallers done the same thing around my back door after in asked them to make sure they use a full sheet around my doors I ripped it off and let them redo it the next morning.
The best way to find a good contractor is through word of mouth. That is 99% of my referrals. Just about everyone knows someone who has gotten work done. People tend to be critically honest about the work they had done when spending their hard earned money.
the drywall contractor probably got his men outside of a home depot looking for work. Lol 😆 🤣
They nailed the bottom and banged the top in. That's how you get those wedge-splits in the corners. Good drywallers will nail the top first and let it hang, then the bottom nails. As for the mud, there is no prefill with mesh. But they DO have to get the seams reasonably flat and of a consistent width.
Yeah. Let them go. NFG
Good drywallers dont nail, they screw. Dont nail drywall... Especially ceilings
@@ambientretreats2529 In my experience, most of them tack all the drywall up on the top and bottom, then move on to the next room while some other guy screws off the walls. And yes, they screw the lids.
Doesn't change what they did to get those wedge-shaped tears. They beat it in when it was too tight.
@@ricoludovici2825 I feel you, I work solo so no nails, but i see how crews might "prehang" I guess, makes sense.
Nothing that a good finish man can’t handle,you would never know once it’s finished and painted
You can tell yourself that but as an electrician I know that mud you put around the plates is going to crack and need to be repaired months or years down the road
@@440Trick Not if you add a little expanding foam my man, that was salvageable tbh
You get what you pay for
The busted corners and forklift blight are things you have to work with not the biggest problem.
The outlets and switches in the wall are a pain in the but. I mud behind a hanger who dosen't use a zip tool so I'm used to fixing boxes that look like that.
My biggest problem with the job are the railroaded but joints and wondering if they are using hot mud with the fiber glass tape. They should have back filled any large cracks with quick set ( hot mud) before taping. Also wondering why they are starting to mud before all the rock is hung.
There may be several reasons for them cutting the top sheet on the one wall.
You get what you pay for......
I literally live my life by that model
Not true. Wish it was! Sometimes you pay top buck and get screwed over sometimes you pay bargain basement and get screwed over.
Cant argue that Brah
@@mrobvious5892 Seen that too.
You’re right I believe that. Number one the guy was doing a OK job. Number two: The owner was probably paying cheap wages.
My wife of 31 years has done all the taping and painting in our house. No sanding needed, she just wipes down the joints with a damp cloth. Smoother than a babies butt. I think ill keep her.😂😂😂
while based on thier work ethic i agree with you firing them, but as far as the things you pointed out. are they perfect?, nope. Can any decent drywall guy fix those issues with out re hanging the wall, yep.
Exactly.....once it's taped and mudded it will be fine....smh
Yeah I thought this vid was kind of petty crap honestly. Sure some things could be better like the outlets but the door and window🤨come on guy you kidding me with “idk how you trim over that”. Ya hire a pro trimmer that’s how you trim over that, guy! Jeez man. Hahaha
@@daltonking3723 what do you mean, there no drywall to back the trim?
@@440Trick were you planning on a drywall jamb or a wood jamb? Drywall jamb would be tough with how car back them cuts are I would say.
But Wood jamb would come out from the window flush to the drywall face and then trim would be nailed to the jamb and out on top of the drywall.
Now if the drywall is back from the wood framing more than 2” then yes it’s a poor job but if it’s closer to the window then your ok, a trim carpenter can easily remedy that.
Hope this makes sense and helps.
I’m a master carpenter/ drywall/ general contractor and have learned how to work with other trades.
Trim floats, box that sht in. Its fine
Sorry that happened to you. I can't stand for people to say they know how to do something, and then can't deliver.
Good catch. Had you let them finish, it would have been a disaster. You can tell by what they've done so far.
They shuld do real brick or concrete walls and problem solved. Whit all rescpect but you my American friends like yo build and live in Toy houses Made almost like they where cardboard.
You did that shit so you fired yourself
This is your fault and will be a lesson of life. I've been down this road. Thanks for posting the video because you probably saved somebody else the misery of dealing with this type of situation.
After my career in the military, I bought a house in the country. So for the next couple years I went from room to room ripping back to studs. Ran Ann new electrical, phone and cable lines through the house. Even fixed the various plumbing issues. New windows and doors through was a plus. Now I save a lot on my monthly heating/cooling bills. The military taught me to fix everything in my home which I enjoy. The only thing I hate about drywall is the sanding of mud. Ugh. Other than that I’m good.
@Ed wouldn't know anything about being in the military or doing man things...cuz he's a BETA
They were novices, no experience, but maybe saw it done by others. That mesh tape is ok, but I would only use it after prefilling with quick setting compound, which is more work, and more likely to crack than paper tape, so why bother? The right and easiest way is using premixed all purpose mud, remixed with some water added (several cups at least), and paper tape. All the butt joints should be staggered when first hung, and these railroaded joints are going to crack in time, almost guaranteed. What a mess, but you caught them early enough, and saved several thousand dollars at a minimum. I hope you got back the money you paid up front, and never prepay for more than the materials cost, and that’s for every construction project. Good luck!
Fiba tape and durabond 90 will never crack. Better yet. Mesh tape and perlite, cement and sheetrock 45 and all purpose the same day and call it a day. .👍
@@kirklewis3627 Okay, found the contractor. Mesh tape is better? Or paper tape for ease of use?
Yes, Mesh or fiba tape your seams. Paper tape your butts. You must use sheetrock or durabon on seams for ultimate bond. Put butts on with all purpose once dried. Go wide from the middle of paper tape to level wall with sheetrock. Once dried. Coat seams and butts with all purpose. End result is your base coat is solid and wont crack, the top coat is sandable, once dried sand heavy edges lightly ,a third tight coat over everything removes all little pockets for cleaner finish, less sanding. Follow these instruction for a premium finish, top dollar work. Have a great sunday.
@@kirklewis3627 Damn, I'll try to soak that in. Thank you.
@@nimrodery 1 step at a time. Mix small amounts 8th- quarter pale. Mix thick add water by hand to thin down to desired consistency. You got it.👍
I don’t understand why the plugs are in before the drywall is hung it sucks to cut the boxes that way you are rite about taping before finish hanging but goes back to my first question in this day and age what is rite
Garage was used for 6 months before insulation and drywall. Devices are pushed into the box and would not affect cutting the drywall.
You can have a bad hang and still have a great finish. Perhaps they were not too good at hanging but they were really good at finishing 🤷♂️
Foolish to think of tearing it down.
Mostly cosmetic and make-work practices by not putting it up sensibly to save the taper time and effort (which means they were really only screwing themselves as long as they finished the job out).
Looking at the “work” they did you made the right decision before they used any more materials.
It’s unfortunate these people are out there telling homeowners they are competent in that trade but they are also the type of people that keep me in business.
Feel for ya mate😔
LOL, reminds me of a job my sister contracted out some years ago. They undertook to remove the lead paint from the walls and repaint. My brother in law and I walked in after they'd been at it for 4 or 5 hours and they had plastic sheeting everywhere and the walls were all primed. My BIL made a few sarcastic comments to me in a loud voice and we noticed the guys stiffened. We pressed them about the removal of the lead and the cheekiest bastard said they'd done it. What?? 4 hours and you've stripped and primed?? Woow you're far too good. Or cheats. He didn't like that and when I scaped some of the primer away there was the previous paint. The prick then said that they've yet to do that wall. BIL said 'so you prime the wall and take it all off with the lead, am I right?' he said yep and we both burst out laughing. The guy then said to my sister, 'Look lady, I don't think we could give you the finish you are looking for' then started to pack up.They were so quick to get out that they left a number of tools, about 10 litres of paint and all their plastic rolls. It was a good laugh but we had to clean it up and eventually did it ourselves. The other issue with these grubs, they scam single women and old people who have to later pay to get it all done again. Properly.
Good contractors are hard to find. Which is why referrals are so important, talk to friends who had work done, if they had a good trademen then use them. If they are 20% more, there is a reason for that
Prefill everything walls ceilings gaps cracks ….. and lots of people don’t know that manufacturer says mesh tape is to be used with setting type joint compound and not recommended for all purpose
When the video started, i was like "here we go, some perfectionist prick..." And then I'm like "OMG, how did these guys think this was somehow okay" 😲
This is a good video for diyers to gain some confidence on. As a kid trying to figure this stuff out all on my own without the internet, i was no where near this level of WTF.
I was thinking the same thing. I’ve been in the drywall business for 8 years and let me tell you, I’ve seen some shit but nothing like this!
This is why it’s never a bad idea to ask a trade guy for references.. The guys you hired to do that that have ZERO experience. guaranteed. They probably figured there’s good money in drywall right now, and gave it a go.. DIY guys don’t do that poor of a job! The give away is taping before it’s completely hung. Rookie move that makes no sense.. I know guys that will have that hung, taped, and sanded in a day or two.
Everything you complained about is very easily fixed, which im sure they would have done if you let them
No vapor barrier? You must live in the south. I put OSB in my garage so I could hang lighter items more easily. It only cost me a $100 more over sheetrock. It seemed like a no brainer to me. Good luck!
Michigan and no vapor barrier. I did do OSB the lower 4'. We do kind dig the wainscoting type of look with lower osb & drywall upper.