Who WINS in Today's NBA - 2007 Spurs or 2004 Pistons?
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04 pistons. Sheed would be a nasty stretch 4
Sheed was a stretch 4 it’s ok u didn’t see it
04 pistons could definitely thrive in this era but that 07 spurs team could 100% win a chip today. Very high IQ veteran team with great discipline, passing, shooting and defense.
07 team wasn't that good they the same team that got whipped a year later by kobe-gasol lakers 4-1
Amen bro
Damn the rip Hamilton shooting disrespect is wild
Ben Wallace averaged 9 ppg on 42% FG that year. That’s embarrassing for a center
@@Thanosdidtherighthing I bet wallece he makes green cry like a little kid in the middle of the court
People are forgetting that that Pistons teams were holding teams to less than 70 points a game every single night.
In a time with little to no spacing
@@ubadman1 you think they’re holding Boston to 68 points?
@@Johenz you think celtics getting buckets in the paint in that era? Lmao. No disrespect to Al Horford tho.
@@duangc3280 Boston is one of the best 3 point shooting team they’d get points by that
@joseph Henry not 68 but under a100 maybe 100 on the nose
Yo cut it out. That 04 pistons was not just the starting 5. People forget how that bench was solid in 04. You had Okur, Hunter, Mike james, hamm, Williamson and Cambpell. That bench was solid. Mike james and Mehmet Okur left in 05 to become starters on other teams. Granted the Pistons picked up McDycess and Delfino.
But did they have 9 starters like the 2019 Raptors? Those old team were garbage.
@NewMoney527 they were garbage but they beat a team of prime shaq and Kobe. Got it.. you new ball fans are trash
OK and the 05 team was arguably better than 04 while the 05 spurs beat the 05 pistons and the 07 spurs are significantly better than the 05 spurs what are you on about
@shadic4977 bruh. It said 04 pistons and 07 spurs. The 04 pistons were better then the the 05 pistons. Why are you bringing up the 05 spurs? Only thing I said about the 05 pistons is how 3 players left. Those 3 don't leave, pistons repeat.
@@SynKyller even if that's true they're just role players and that doesn't account for Manu and Tony being significantly better while having a better all around team the only flaw was Tim Duncan playing bad and I don't think tha happens and again the spurs are a more adaptable team than pistons they already had a significantly better offense back then now its even worse and the pistons played before the handchecking rule which the spurs didn't have yet still were an all time great defense
Every time I watch ticket I’m like “this man drunk” lmaoo
Marz be chilling for real😂
Ong, nigga be in limbo watching the rest of panel 💀
The spurs had better chemistry, offensive defensive and net rating, had better chemistry where the pistons had an offensive rating that was 18th in the league then meaning the pistons were getting carried by team defense where the spurs were better overall
That 04 interior defence is getting killed by any team than can shoot 3’s
Man yall forgot about the spark plugs. The backcourt second unit with Mike James and Lindsey Hunter. They shut down backcourt while Billups and RIP were resting. And Ben did guard 1-5.
Sheed & Okur could shoot the 3 regularly
Tayshaun would be better today than in 00’s. Much more versatile off/def today than in 00s
U clearly wasn't watching basketball back in 04
@@97tilinfinity Ben Wallace is gonna get cooked by dudes like Maxey, Poole, Simons and Ja when teams get the switch LMFAO. Not to mention, Big Ben doesn't have an offensive game.
The bigs from the 04 Pistons could shoot besides Ben Wallace.
If I’m not mistaken that same Pistons team lost to the Spurs in 05
Tbh the 04 lakers didn’t have good spacing they still should’ve won on paper but the spacing nowadays is much better so it’ll be a tougher job for the pistons I think the spurs were ahead of there time.
I’m about to Subscribe to Y’all podcast because this is a good basketball question and I like the basketball questions💯💯💯🏀🏀🏀
The 05 pistons defense was so successful becisse they were the first team to defensively take advantage of the removal of the illegal defense rules.
Which by today's standards is just normal defensive rotation and positioning.
The 04 pistons do not have the required firepower to keep up today. Do not list Billups and Hamilton as guys that would be elite servers today from three. That's pure speculation. These old teams people like to hype up.
In 2004-2005 (Spurs vs Pistons final) The Spurs actually had the best defensive rating in the league that year, Pistons being second.
Rating right which is hypothetically because rating comes with an estimation and in game Detroit was unmatched on defense side of the ball no center can guard 1-5 like Ben did so a pick switch is every teams nightmare
I'm trying to figure out how Detroit's offense would be archaic today? Their offense would actually be better with all the spacing and lack of physicality. Besides Ben Wallace, they could all score the ball. With that said, I got the Spurs, and here's why. Who was the one team in the west that played the brand of basketball we see most teams play today? The Phoenix Sun. Uptempo, spread the floor, team full of scorers, and versatile players. Who was the one team they could not beat in the playoffs at their peak? San Antonio.
Ticket is getting worse and worse 😂😂. Fool compared Rip Hamilton to Derozan just because they excel in the midrange. They get their buckets 2 completely different ways lol
Rip was a bucket doe he could play in this era G he could crest his on Bucket
People underestimate how much Rip wore defenders down and how lethal he was from midrange.
The issue I always have when people talk about the 2000’s Pistons offensively ( I realize this is about the 04 Pistons specifically) is they don’t realize the Pistons became a top offensive team for many years during their run but their defense suffered for it along with losing key pieces like Ben/Larry Brown they also switched to zone under Flip Saunders.
The point is they absolutely could of offensively adjusted to this era with no issue. 1-4 could all shoot and post up as well as Rip coming off screens. They were versatile as hell offensively.
Word, also Big Ben can guard perimeter players better than any center today
I mean, their points per 100 possessions was good, but they played at such a slow pace
@@PNL1992 yes that’s true I’m just talking about how from 06-08 they were one of the best offenses all around in the league showing they could adjust to a more offensive era
@@Loganbub their points per game was really, really low. Like bottom half of the league. It just didn’t matter because they played at the slowest pace in basketball.
@@eric8841 rip Hamilton running off picks to shoot a midrange wow so scary…
Let’s not forget the pistons had mehmet okur, mike james and lindsey hunter coming off the bench
Ticket hyping that pistons team up because they beat the lakers 🤣😂
The old guy dont know ish the pistons went to the playoffs until 2010. That was with the split up of or key guys. With this same core we would have had deeper runs again. The detroiter in me wants to talk about how we should have drafted Melo. And that would have kept our guys around even longer. 3 years constantly with our guys and the front office was dooming them. By not having anyone developed.
That 05 Spurs team beat the Pistons in seven, but the Pistons were not the same team.
People forget they were going ten, eleven deep in 04 playoffs. They ran the Lakers off the court with that formula. They lost most of the bench to free agency. There were holes in the roster in 05. No backup 2 or 3.
Those teams in the 05 finals was an absolute war, major respect to the Pistons. I got to go to the Spurs.
It’s always the Knicks fans that don’t ik Basketball 😭😭😭😭
ticket keeps talking over everybody but wants ppl to let him finish🤦🏾♂️
"Watch this"
Aight. He about to spout some bullshit.
Or
“You’re not hearing me” after he says something and people start disagreeing with him
@@yokun1885 🤣🤣🤣
Low is wrong. Prince averaged 14 that year plus with the way the game is played today, Chauncey, Rip, and Sheed will eat
They would have a Buffet out here
Y’all acting like the Spurs blew the Pistons out in 05.
Went 7 games and went down to the wire.
05 spurs are better than that 07 spurs
04 Pistons were better than 05 Pistons. Detroit should of won that series despite losing major bench contributors from 04
Can't go wrong with both but the 2007 Spurs can win today bec they have everything.....Iso players, shooters, players that can move without the ball and defensive players
EVERYBODY SLEEPS ON THAT 04 PISTONS TEAM THAT PISTON TEAM TILL 2010 WAS PLAYOFF BOUND🤷🏿♂️
In this era with that Pistons Defense still add in that Sheed, RIP, and Billups would have to score more and have more shooting attempts which they styles do better in this era. Picture Sheed in the Blend Post & Shooting 3s which he was already doing, Rip midrange game is still like DeRozan, and Chauncey Billups will store get to the rim plus bust 3s and Floor General. All they will need is Big Ben Super Defense on these new era soft centers to lock them down and Tayshaun lockdown these Forwards with his long armed wingspan. Both Pistons and Spurs will flourish perfectly because they both played full team ball! And don't forget before injuries Antonio McDyess use to cook people when he was a Denver Nugget and he was still a solid off the bench on the Pistons. 05 Pacers and 09 Magic would flourish also and especially the 2005 to 2009 Phoenix Suns but definitely 2005 squad. 06-07 and 07-08 We Believe Warriors would be a force in this era with the fight that had.
The 04 team would not be able to beat the 07 spurs in this era of Basketball. Maaaybe in 07 but not in 23 lmao. If they played in 23 the Spurs win low diff.
07 Spurs wtf are we talking bout
What could be a really interesting debate just ruined by Ticket yelling timeout and not allowing peoole to finish their point.
And everytime it ends with him giving arguments against his own point 🤯
Everybody forgetting Detroit would have won that series against the spurs came to find out that ref got caught for throwing games and he purposely wanted the spurs to win
Ticket why you don’t speak how Kobe got locked down cause that’s your boy and you overlook that lol if you speak facts keep it 💯
Damn I actually agree with ticket on this one the pistons would fare well in this era Chauncey and sheed would be deadly in pick and rolls today
Prince was not a sharp shooting wing player. Hamilton was a midrange specialist and Ben Wallace is a offensive liability. There’s no spacing. They were perfectly build for that era but in todays game they just wouldn’t have enough scorers and you’re not holding teams to 85 points in a game
@@Johenz okur, backup center was an excellent outside shooter. They were versatile. Lindsay hunter could shoot too
I would say both they both were great defensive teams with a more than capable offense
Y’all have to do something about ticket interrupting peoples points all the time. Maybe mute him when someone else is talking because he never lets anyone make their point
2004 Detroit Team, defense win CHAMPIONSHIPS. Easy.
Yall should talk about the 97 pacers in today's game
you mean 98 Pacers
ticket gotta have more sense than this bro, he literally just talk over people to make a point with a bogus foundation
Nobody gone say how ticker was fucking baking cheffing and cleaning the crib on this debate
Ben Wallace was on that pistons team so I already know who ticket going with lol
Yall act like rip tay and chaunce aint ply perimeter D. I say spurs in 7 or big shot hits the game winner in 6
Rasheed was good but dam he act like sheed was a top ten nba player in the league
priston shut up Jordan & the bulls brothers the best defensive team ever
Ya boy in the knicks hat be bullying y’all 😂😂😂 loud & wrong gotta have it tho it for good tv pistons cold af would be amazing to watch spurs would win ships they got more depth this not a argument unless you gift the pistons melo in 04
I take the 2020 Lakers over the 2004 Pistons who on the Pistons was going to Stop AD Pick in roll ally oop to the rim from Rondo also Lakers had the number 2 defense in the NBA that year
To his point, the spurs did a gentleman sweep on the 14 heat after their back to back. More so proves that can make the case they would’ve won last year if it wasn’t for a miracle game 6 shot by Allen.
I'd like to ask does that malice in the palice team beat them both?
Like no one ever want to tell ticket to shut up sometimes
I mean if you’re talking uniform just off the roster… not coaching or system or anything just roster.. it’s the pistons.
Legend of Cheating need to come back
Is ticket slow or something seriously I'm dead ass asking doesn't even have to do with his take I think both teams can win a championship this year
07 spurs easily they have the shot creator in tony and Manu a versatile players hell even a star in Tim Duncan ,tony and Manu
You gotta be a certain age to debate....
Rasheed lewis was never anywhere near Rasheed. Y’all tripping.
U didn’t listen at all
i have to go with the spurs they had more shooters and a couple better bench players. ticket forgot about big shot bob horry and brent barry.
04 Pistons All Day
That 04 lakers team didn’t even play modern offense lol plus the defensive rules were totally different in 04 than they are now. That 04 lakers team had no spacing and 100% chemistry issues. That’s not a good argument.
What? 2003-04 was handchecking + zone defenses lol.
By the way, I agree that Pistons wouldn’t do well. Ben Wallace was a terrible offensive player
ESPN Chills 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mars is completely useless. He just sits there looking dumb on the majority of the segments
He really only talks when he gets asked specifically if his opinion. He usually doesn’t jump in on other peoples arguments unless it’s to add something that hasn’t been mentioned/ gets overlooked
Spurs win easily
Common Ticket Take
Lol he said manu shoots better than Chauncey 😭
He does
Ticket literally just doesn’t want anyone to talk. That’s not winning arguments you just talking loud.
That’s the only way he can “win aguments” just yelling over everyone and not letting them talk. He’ll be wrong as fuck and when people call him out he says “you’re not hearing me” like na we can hear you just fine. You’re just wrong
Ben Wallace would get exposed by that Spurs team. Nobody could guard Timmy. They still had Bruce Bowen. Michael Finley was still solid and They had Pop. Give me the Spurs.
LOL Ben Wallace exposed the entire nba.
Ben legit played them in 05 and held his own.
Spurs
Pacers and Pistons were the two best defenses in the early 2000s
First
07 spurs had Michael Finley Robert Horry
Tim Duncan is the best player on the floor tbh
I wanna get on here and say wild shit first take if Jordan played today he would be a poor mans demar derozan 😂
Low already had to sit an do an episode with a bunch of idiots with similar takes. Don't subject him another experience
Ticket funny aab man I can't take him seriously g lmfao.
He be having me crying bruh lmao
TicketTv takes be so horrible
Ticket is crazy if he thinks that 04 Pistons team would beat that 07 Spurs teams.
They literally almost beat em in 05. But someone left Robert Horry WIDE OPEN 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The 05 Pistons almost beat the 05 Spurs if not for the Horry shot and that was after they lost most of their depth from 04. 04 Pistons beat the 07 Spurs
If I remember correctly the 04 pistons team averaged like 1-3 three attempts again. They getting blown out I’m sorry
Sheed averaged 3 by himself..
People who really think the Pistons couldn’t adjust to the modern NBA especially offensively is hilarious. They became one of the best well rounded offensive teams of their era after 04 including being a great jump shooting team with a whole starting lineup besides Ben who could post up.
Everybody on team could shoot but Ben. Rip, Chauncey, Sheed, Prince could all shoot.
2013 heat was better than 2012 heat no question
W
04 pistons clears
Spurs in 5. When your 2nd best shooter is Rasheed Wallace, you're not gonna be winning a ton of games. Plus in the 04 season, hand checking was still allowed so Detroit was allowed to be a bit rougher defensively, but San Antonio won 3 chips in the no hand check era, they proved that they could win in this era. San Antonio combined an elite offense with an elite defense, Detroit's identity was built almost entirely around defense and that won't win you chips in today's league
Rip Hamilton, sheed, Chauncey and prince were all solid shooters, hard for me not to believe with todays standards of just letting it fly that these boys aren’t going to knock some down.
The Pistons went on to become one of the best offensive teams for years after 04. The issues then became flip Saunders switching them to a zone defense and his coaching not being built to win in the playoffs. Plus losing Ben/LB hurt the defense even if it helped the offense.
@@tonytheg6612 solid shooters but todays shooters are elite and they’re not holding teams to 83 points
@@Johenz some of elite shooters today would be considered “solid” for the standards they had then. Shooters were only getting 4/5 threes a game, if that. Todays game of just letting it fly wasn’t around then. We will never know but imo if you gave the shooters then the ability to shoot a 3 whenever you want there would be much more “elite” shooters from that time. Holding teams to 83 doesn’t seam sustainable but teams would have a much harder time scoring on those guys I’ll tell you that, these were a group of guys that took pride into playing defense. Every single possession. You just don’t see that today.
@@tonytheg6612 if I they take pride in playing defense teams still putting up 100 on them. Teams defense aren’t worse just offense have gotten that much better.
Spurs basically Golden state with defensive they also play motion offense u could Say 05 2014 as well . Pistons is the greatest defense team Build plus they could cook on offense as well let’s not forget
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Ben Wallace Pat Beverly
You are disrespecting Wallace. Wallace was the goat of defense.
I also would take The 2009 Lakers over the 2004 Pistons
2019 Raptors beat both teams. Easily.
2019 Raptors get smacked by the 04 Pistons
@@Loganbub You’re the CEO of Cap-A-Lot Records.
@@Loganbub The 2020 Lakers beat the 04 Pistons
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 maybe but probably not
@@Loganbub The 2009 Lakers beat the 04 Pistons
I could be wrong but wasn’t Mehmet Okur on the 04 Detroit squad as well? Dude could shoot the 3.
Only person that couldn't shoot was Ben Wallace lmao. Ben is only 6'9. He'd fair better than a 6'7 Draymond and he's stronger.