Who is a Better Center between Olajuwon and Jokic??

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  • @elizabethsteele4633
    @elizabethsteele4633 2 місяці тому +3

    Excellent video . They are completely different players . Hakeem was one of the best athletes to ever play in the NBA and was a defensive terror . Jokic has a deep bag of tricks and he sees the floor like no-one else . I'd say it's a toss up .
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  • @minnuss
    @minnuss 2 місяці тому +4

    When individuals compare Jokic to others, they often do so in a one-on-one context. However, Jokic operates within a team dynamic, playing in a five-on-five format. He utilizes his teammates in a manner reminiscent of the best point guards, while also integrating his individual scoring skills into a unique approach, resembling a hybrid player that is unprecedented in the sport.
    This is where misunderstandings arise in comparisons involving Jokic. While it is possible that Hakeem may excel in a one-on-one scenario, basketball is fundamentally a team sport that relies on collaboration to achieve victory. Over the past 30 years, no player has demonstrated a greater ability to elevate and engage teammates than Jokic.
    As LeBron James noted in an interview, there are exceptional one-on-one players, but true excellence in basketball also requires intelligence and a high basketball IQ, especially in critical moments when facing double teams.
    With Jokic on the court, constant awareness is essential. Whether he is driving the ball or positioned at the three-point line, he presents a scoring threat from all areas of the floor, distinguishing him from traditional centers who typically focus their efforts in the post.

    • @ACTS-1631
      @ACTS-1631 2 місяці тому +2

      @@minnuss This entire comment fails to acknowledge the fact outside of Jokic and Bron, Hakeem did the most ever for his team, multiple quadruple doubles? He elevated his team every single night on both ends of the court because yes defense matters in a team dynamic system. Hakeem statistically had some of the hardest paths to a chip ever with the least amount of star help.

    • @ACTS-1631
      @ACTS-1631 2 місяці тому +2

      @@minnuss Having a threat from the 3 doesn't matter if guys like Shaq and Hakeem are unstoppable WITH the bags they have, so your logic means ad is better than them? Hakeem posed far more of an offensive threat and the stats prove this, he had games and playoff series looking like 01 Shaq except he could actually shoot the midrange at an elite level. He was also a far better rebounder and was a bigger offensive rebound threat than Jokic.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💯💯🔥🔥

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      Hakeem Olinjawon
      Regular Season:
      Def Rebs: 7.8
      Off Rebs: 3.3
      Total Rebs: 11.1
      Post Season:
      Def Rebs: 7.9
      Off Rebs: 3.2
      Total Rebs: 11.2
      Jokic
      Def Rebs: 8.1
      Off Rebs: 2.6
      Total Rebs: 10.7
      Post Season:
      Def Rebs: 9.1
      Off Rebs: 3.2
      Total Rebs: 12.3

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      He wasn’t that far off in Rebs against Hakeem

  • @maliminja
    @maliminja 2 місяці тому +2

    I like this...For me personaly two best centers ever played the game...Ok Wilt ,Shaq,Russel etc were dominant but not complete as these two...Dream in greatest footwork and defence and Joker in his IQ,reading the game like no center before...amazing talents and generational players...no need to compare them...for me they are neck to neck...

  • @WillieRLopez
    @WillieRLopez Місяць тому +1

    Hakeem the "DR34M" Olajuwon

  • @ThatsWhatSheSaid9492
    @ThatsWhatSheSaid9492 Місяць тому +3

    white European guy here and a Bulls fan. Hakeem hands down was better. 2 consecutive rings. nuff said. Even if Jordan was in the Bulls at that period, he would still have won at least 1. Not even Rodman could stop him or Shaq. What opposition does Joker have? Embiid?? n-word please...

  • @KennethMangum
    @KennethMangum Місяць тому +1

    Hakeem olajuwon was great on both sides of the ball hands down top three greatest center to ever do it

  • @Daba-g3i
    @Daba-g3i 2 місяці тому +2

    Srećno🎉🎉

  • @layuponthedownlow
    @layuponthedownlow 2 місяці тому +3

    Ive been watching NBA since 92-93 playoffs.
    My top 5 centers since 93 playoffs:
    1. Olajuwon 🚀
    2. Jokic 🗻
    3. Ben wallace 🐎
    4. Theo ratliff 7⃣6⃣
    5. Divac 👑
    I didn't put shaq bcoz he uses his elbow before he dunks, which should be an offensive foul, but NBA refs don't call it.
    Maybe if he stayed in orlando, he can be top 3 bcoz orlando magic shaq don't use elbow to make his dunks

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      No Malone?

    • @layuponthedownlow
      @layuponthedownlow 2 місяці тому +1

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 i wasn't able to see moses malone. I started watching NBA in 1993 playoffs.
      #1 Olajuwon bcoz of blocks, steals, best post play and can also shoot 3s. But during that time centers were not allowed, also ewing capable of making 3s.
      #2 jokic best passer, steph curry range 3.
      #3 ben wallace strongest, scariest. blocks, steals, speed
      #4 theo ratliff blocks, speed
      #5 divac passing
      #6 dwight howard (not serious player)

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @layuponthedownlow Karl Malone

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @layuponthedownlow I forgot it was two Malone’s 😂

  • @ACTS-1631
    @ACTS-1631 2 місяці тому +2

    Jokic is absolutely like that, but offensively he only takes the 3 ball. He dominated the game like prime shaq except he had wayyy better footwork and the midrange, and would've unanimously been the best player in the 90s if not for Mj existing. Even Jordan himself said they had no answer for him. Hakeem is arguably the greatest big man defender of all time i think he edges it out over Bill russel and timmy D. Let's not forget he statistically had some of the hardest paths to a chip ever with little help

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 that’s true!! I believe that Jokic took necessary 3’s if it’s given to him, but some of his points are also in the midrange/paint area

  • @tylerriley2587
    @tylerriley2587 24 дні тому +1

    Oljuawon played Soccer before playing in the NBA.

  • @bogoljubdjordjevic7528
    @bogoljubdjordjevic7528 Місяць тому +1

    If I choose for 1 on 1 match then Hakim but if I choose for team Joker!

  • @SurprisedAlpineSkiing-fg5mo
    @SurprisedAlpineSkiing-fg5mo 2 місяці тому +3

    Jokic will destroy hakeem with his basketball IQ..AND ALL NBA CENTERS.. BECAUSE JOKER IS A TEAM PLAYER.. A GOOD FACILITATOR,, HE MAKES EVERY ONE BETTER AND INVOLVED.. THAT 'S BASKETBALL IS..

  • @Truth_Make_You_Free
    @Truth_Make_You_Free Місяць тому +1

    Joker is my guy but Dream is better. Diff eras, diff rules.

  • @nedajtesepasjimsinovima
    @nedajtesepasjimsinovima 2 місяці тому +2

    Hakeem.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      What’s your reason family?

    • @nedajtesepasjimsinovima
      @nedajtesepasjimsinovima 2 місяці тому +3

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 Among other reasons: the greater competitiveness of the epoch in which Hakeem played and still had two championship rings; the fact he managed to have his accomplishments while having giants like Kareem, Barkley, O' Neal, Robinson as mismatch opponents, as opposed to Jokić having third grade centers and clowns against him now, in the times when centers are the symbols of basketball decadence; the unforgettable style and diversity of Hakeem's technique (a center doesn't have to shoot threes, especially if he has so many other classic center qualities); the longevity of Hakeem's top game, also what Jokić is yet to reach; (...)

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @nedajtesepasjimsinovima is yet to reach. So do you believe Jokic has a chance of reaching Hakeem’s accolades? Do you you think Jokic can do things he is doing now back in Hakeem time? Your comments are great btw 💪🏾💪🏾💯

    • @nedajtesepasjimsinovima
      @nedajtesepasjimsinovima 2 місяці тому +1

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 Thank you. Sorry about my English. Appreciate a good basketball talk. Aesthetically, I don't think he can reach Hakeem's level, and the achievements I've mentioned have different values due to context and history. As we don't have any gates of time for both of them to enter, it is not easy to even discuss this. Also, to obtain sympathies, it doesn't help Jokić that he publicly supported Serbia's dictator and one Putin's greatest allies, Aleksandar Vučić, an insane politician who is also doing his best to destroy ecology, economy, culture and sports in their own country.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому +1

      @nedajtesepasjimsinovima wow!! That’s new to me family!!

  • @Apple_Teck
    @Apple_Teck 2 місяці тому +2

    Is this a REAL question?

  • @irshadpthenryprimetimehenr4356
    @irshadpthenryprimetimehenr4356 2 місяці тому +3

    Hakeem would crush joker

  • @Apple_Teck
    @Apple_Teck 2 місяці тому +2

    This ain’t even even close.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому +1

      Lol so what’s your thoughts about it? And what makes it valid)

    • @Apple_Teck
      @Apple_Teck 2 місяці тому +3

      Hakeem is a top 50 player. The other guy is not. Enough said.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @Apple_Teck you don’t think he can become one of the players to be on the next list? Plus, it’s players that’s not on the 75th anniversary list that should be on there

    • @Apple_Teck
      @Apple_Teck 2 місяці тому +2

      These dudes today have a long long way to go before they are even considered in the NBA’s Top 75.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @Apple_Teck I definitely think Jokic will be there soon because of the work and his accolades. He will most definitely get another ring before his time is up in the league

  • @chrisdragoonkevin384
    @chrisdragoonkevin384 2 місяці тому +7

    Hakeem has a complete package. A two way player. Plus he is a true Superstar. I mean Jokic is great too, but only because the NBA today is very soft and not competitive, No defense. While, Olajuwon is a lock down defender. I would like to see this match on NBA 2K, I'm sure this going to be an easy win for Hakeem.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      1 vs. 1, how many points you think Hakeem can beat Jokic by?

    • @chrisdragoonkevin384
      @chrisdragoonkevin384 2 місяці тому +1

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 I think Jokic would have a very hard time scoring on Hakeem. The Dream wins by 15+ PTS. I have other Superstars in mind. KG, Giannis, Amare, J Oneal, C Webb, TD and Yao Ming. I'm sure this list vs Jokic would be amazing to see.

  • @blackgruya011
    @blackgruya011 2 місяці тому +2

    Hakeem had no 3pts, no assists..... and you choose agility as measure? pfff

    • @ACTS-1631
      @ACTS-1631 2 місяці тому +2

      @@blackgruya011 Hakeem had multiple quadruple doubles he could definitely pass, he also was better than Jokic in every aspect scoring wise except 3s and was more impactful with it. And you completely disregarded defense because you know Jokic isn't close

    • @blackgruya011
      @blackgruya011 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ACTS-1631 He "could" but didnt. You cant at same time count adventages for one side and deny to other. All in general Jokic is better overall and someone who boost his team. Dont get me wrong, I am a big fan of Hakeem, but basketball changes as other sports, and gets more advanced. Its evolution. Some day in future some other player will show up and beat both of these guys.

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 2 місяці тому +1

      @@blackgruya011 so in your head centers need to shot 3s and pass ?😂

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 2 місяці тому

      why would for example shaq shot 3(even if he could lol) and pass ?whan he can just get high % bucket form close range

    • @blackgruya011
      @blackgruya011 2 місяці тому +2

      @@ziginaigra brother, he couldnt score free throws, what are you talking about? NBA tolerated his pushing and beating people. 50% of his actions was charging and fouls

  • @hufinnpuff3068
    @hufinnpuff3068 Місяць тому +1

    Bullshit comparison. Wait til Joker retires.

  • @julianthegrappler
    @julianthegrappler 2 місяці тому +3

    Only thing keem didn’t have was a three. Jokic don’t play defense.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      True indeed, but do you take that away from him being better? 🤔🤔💯💯

    • @julianthegrappler
      @julianthegrappler 2 місяці тому +2

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 Hakeem cooking jokic 1v1. Hakeem can pass also he was just in a score first role, assist aren’t the only way of telling if someone is a good passer. Hakeem was playing in the 90s with less spacing which makes it harder to get a triple double. Hakeem has a quadruple double, and jokic doesn’t. Plus he was playing in the prime big man era against Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, and Malone.He also had Jordan getting in the way of his MVPs. MJ himself said that he was the biggest threat to his success.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому +1

      This is really great my guy!! Very good pointers!! So who could you compare Hakeem to in today’s game?

    • @julianthegrappler
      @julianthegrappler 2 місяці тому +2

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 I would say embiid if he could keep the weight off and stay healthy.😂

    • @justkason7854
      @justkason7854 2 місяці тому +2

      Hakeem most definitely cooking jokic 1v1

  • @terrencefields5265
    @terrencefields5265 Місяць тому +1

    Hey put the joker on Akeem team and give Akeem his team and see the difference, because Akeem never had great team mates and your decision only shows your youth and inexperience.😎

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  Місяць тому +1

      I hear you brother. So Clyde Drexler wasn’t on Houston when Hakeem got a ring? Clyde is in the 50 greatest nba players correct? And who else besides Jamal Murray and Michael Porter jr that was good? Just like Hakeem team, they have great chemistry. If you would switch Jokic, same thing

    • @gillianotto4582
      @gillianotto4582 16 днів тому +1

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 Drexler? Stop being a child. Drexler was way past his Prime and if it wasn't for Hakeem, he would never have had a chip. What opposition does Jovic has and what opposition did Hakeem have? In Hakeem's second season he too his Rockets team all the way to the playoff's finals beating a stunning lakers team along the way. A lakers team with Abdul Jabbar and Magic Johnson. You are a kid bro

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  16 днів тому

      @gillianotto4582 love it!!! You said Drexler was past his time, but was averaging 20 points a game with Houston, how is that not helping? 2. Person can’t beat a team by themselves, no matter who you are. You take Hakeem away, they are not winning, you take Jokic away, they are not winning. Both of them have similar like teams. Jamal Murray is not an All-Star, he just knows how to play his role and get the buckets he need. That’s all I’m saying brother

    • @gillianotto4582
      @gillianotto4582 15 днів тому +1

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 Stop trying to avoid the fact that Hakeem played in a more difficult era. Imagine Jokic playing in the 80s to 90s. The dream did everything for his team. Blocks, PG,PF and Center. He facilitated play as well and no one did it better on both ends of the court in the history of Basketball. Do you know how many great centers today the dream faced and dominated? Shaq, Ewing, Moses Malone, David Robinson are all greats that the Dream is way better than and Jokic wouldn't have had the sort of success if these players had played in today's league or Jokic in the 90s. Do not embarrass yourself please

    • @gillianotto4582
      @gillianotto4582 15 днів тому +1

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 Clyde was only with the Rockets for Hakeem's second chip. The team struggled and played less good after trading Otis Thorpe for drexler IMO.

  • @DarkDarkXIV
    @DarkDarkXIV 2 місяці тому +2

    Joker never made an all defensive team. Joker never went up against a player like The Dream, who has superior footwork and post moves in the paint. People want to bring up the 3 like Joker is going to make all of them.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      You got Giannis. He is a really good player in the post

    • @DarkDarkXIV
      @DarkDarkXIV 2 місяці тому +2

      @mentalmindedbasketball7613 No, he's not. There aren't any big men like the 90s and 2000s that were actually solid defenders in today's game. Giannis just uses his strength and bullies his way to the basket. Kevin Garrnet Tim Duncan and Shaq are perfect examples of having over 5 moves (skill) in their arsenal. Plus he wouldn't be able to back down Ben Wallace like that or Dwight Howard in their primes.

    • @DarkDarkXIV
      @DarkDarkXIV 2 місяці тому

      What big man today is moving like this in the paint and has over 5 to 10 moves like this.
      ua-cam.com/video/cgJy0JoQ7TI/v-deo.htmlsi=txgtC7Kh7Rce9jG6

    • @DarkDarkXIV
      @DarkDarkXIV 2 місяці тому

      @mentalmindedbasketball7613 Chris Webber was doing what Jokic was doing decades before he got in the league but was faster.
      ua-cam.com/video/CN2OLA7mSY4/v-deo.htmlsi=0ps7OZqudHJnIUfP

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @DarkDarkXIV got got!! But both Ben and Dwight have to come out that paint to guard Jokic out on the perimeter, which makes him a threat. Am I saying he will make all of them, no, but they will have to respect his jumper. Plus, Jokic is not a small Big, he’ll get in the paint at times

  • @virtuoso_runway
    @virtuoso_runway 2 місяці тому +2

    Jokic hits game winning 3s at the center spot. Hakeem hits layups with no 3 point ability.
    Ant man is right, whatever the jordan era can do, this era can do but a billion times better.
    Old heads need to embrace the future, rather than go through metapause

    • @ACTS-1631
      @ACTS-1631 2 місяці тому +3

      @@virtuoso_runway You fail to acknowledge that these players were just as if not more effective without the 3ball thats why it wasn't utilized. Hakeem was hitting plenty game winning 2s in the PLAYOFFS, ON elite defenders like David Robinson who Jokic has never came close to facing. It doesnt matter how you win the game if you score the bucket.
      Had they needed it back then they could absolutely shoot it. I mean this logic is so dumb there are non NBA players who thrive on the 3 so you really think legends growing up in this era wouldn't learn it and dominate??

    • @ACTS-1631
      @ACTS-1631 2 місяці тому +1

      @@virtuoso_runway Fact is Hakeem was more effective with his entire offensive bag than Jokic. He can only shoot 3s and pass better and he isn't in the same league defensively as Hakeem.

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 2 місяці тому

      are u 13?

  • @ziginaigra
    @ziginaigra 2 місяці тому +1

    Is this even a question? lol if jokic played in 90s he would now have 0 rings and 0 mvps

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      Well you have to think family, the 90’s Jordan owned it, besides the 2 years Houston won. And if Jordan wouldn’t retire, Hakeem would of been in the same position of having no rings

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 2 місяці тому

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 so u are saying he have mvp and ring now just because he play in weak era ok😀

    • @borisbalta2542
      @borisbalta2542 2 місяці тому

      ​@@ziginaigrane lupetaj.

    • @borisbalta2542
      @borisbalta2542 2 місяці тому

      To nikada necemo saznati.

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 2 місяці тому

      @@borisbalta2542 ali to je svima jasno

  • @nunya_bizniz
    @nunya_bizniz 2 місяці тому +7

    Hakeem would destroy this man.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      So what’s your reasoning family?

    • @nunya_bizniz
      @nunya_bizniz 2 місяці тому +3

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 eye test and the dreams's defense.

    • @ryandecibar8826
      @ryandecibar8826 2 місяці тому +2

      💯✔️

    • @maliminja
      @maliminja 2 місяці тому +1

      Hakeem is better but he would NOT destroy Joker...the difference is much smaller that you think...plus Joker have 7-8 years to prove im right...

  • @istina86
    @istina86 2 місяці тому +3

    Hakeem would not be able to guard Jokic because Jokic is heavier and stronger and has perfect technique and is the most intelligent player ever

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      💯💪🏾💯💪🏾

    • @rahim9nine
      @rahim9nine 2 місяці тому +4

      Jokic is not stronger 🤣

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @rahim9nine idk about that one.

    • @rahim9nine
      @rahim9nine 2 місяці тому +3

      @@mentalmindedbasketball7613 strength comes massively from fast twitch fibres. Hakeem was a lean, explosive athletic West African who are genetically predisposed to a high number of fast twitch fibers. Jokic Is a chubby unathletic guy whos skill comes from his finesse, iq & footwork. Hakeem had all that plus explosive athleticism which would definitely correlate to strength. Plus there's numerous guys including the strongest nba player ever In shaq talking about Hakeems strength, & shaq not being able to bully him like others. Shaq would've ragdolled jokic let's be honest.

    • @mentalmindedbasketball7613
      @mentalmindedbasketball7613  2 місяці тому

      @rahim9nine Point taken my brother! 💯💯 but because of Jokic IQ and footwork, it’ll be a lot more challenging for Hakeem