Panel Gets into HEATED Debate About Rudy Gobert
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- In this segment we debate Rudy Gobert defensively and if he's overrated or not.
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How is a guy who is hated by literally everyone overrated. Every DPOY got cooked by a great offensive talent
Like how curry cooked Marcus smart
@@alfredsantino1408another fraudulent DPOY
@@alfredsantino1408there was never one on one defense with smart and curry like how it was with jokic and rudy gobert
@@alfredsantino1408curry uses screens so it’s a bit difficult to cover. This nigga gobert getting worked 1 on 1 in the post.
He's gotten cooked by Terrence Mann it's not just great offensive players and all time great defenders aren't getting cooked like gobert does every postseason they make gobert look like a regular ass defender
Every time Rudy Gobert has won DPOY he has gotten abused in the postseason immediately afterwards 🤣🤣
FACTSSSS
Bro the 3 finalists and Ad got destroyed by jokic on multiple occasions. Also jokic was 11/29 before yesterday which better than Bam against jokic in the finals.
@@kichki777 does that 11/29 include the game gobert didn’t play?
@@SSJRome when gobert is primary defender. He did go 8 of 9 on him tonight tho
It's usually just by Jokic which 8s what you people aren't comprehending
This Gobert slander is ridiculous. At this point, we're just making the DPOY award look trash. Everyone in the NBA right now is getting cooked by Joker when actually locks in.
Well you have Former players and current that believes he was not worthy so I mean what is is then 😂
Y’all act like this the first time he LITERALLY GOT BENCHED IN UTAH BC HE WAS GETTING PICKED ON IN THE PLAYOFFS
Called that man rondo lmao
He tried to stand on bidnezz but couldn’t 😂😂😂
I’m still in tears over this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭
Rudy overhated its sad
People use this series as an indictment against Gobert to say Wemby should’ve won DPOY over Gobert but people don’t give that same energy to Wemby cause Wemby gets cooked by these same centers too.
Embiid scored 70 on Wemby, Jokic had a season high 42 on Wemby and Sengun had a career high 45 on Wemby this year
@@anthonycelestin3559 sengun did give wemby 45
@@MarzTalksSportsbaby Jokic? Maybe they have the same grandfather.
@@MarzTalksSports If Ticket mentions Rudy Gobert is the worst DPOTY and how Wemby should’ve won the award over Gobert, you can mention how Wemby gets cooked by these same bigs too.
People are just bias and don’t like Rudy but their not objective. They don’t have that same energy for Wemby and that’s the player people vouch for the most that should’ve won DPOY but he has the same flaws Rudy has guarding opposing bigs
It all stems from that shit he did during covid coughing on the mic next thing you know one of the players on his team has covid.
Tell rajon take them shades off in the house, he got migraines? 😭
Buddy on top left every 2 minutes:
We're not gonna do that
Shaq made mutombo(4th dpoy in 2001 as well) look bad too.
This is more about jokic than it is Gobert.
Yes but Shaq was damn near 100 more pounds and mutombo was older. Prime dpoy Rudy gobert shouldn't be getting cooked this damn bad
@@itsmeflacko1618exactly what I was going to say
@@igotjokes4ya340 fr like bro has a point but even if that's the case Rudy still looks worse than a damn near 40 year old mutombo
@@itsmeflacko1618
Idk about you but have you compared the size of jokic to gobert? Jokic has that same size advantage. Gotta be at least 50 pounds on Gobert.
Same thing
Also .mutombo was arguably at his peak and also a dpoy. 13 and 13 with 3
+ blocks in the playoffs. Again, shaq just made him look bad. Same way jokic is making Gobert look bad. Bigger. stronger. More skilled. Just Better.
Rudy GOBERT 🗑️🤣😂
Jokic is literally breaking everybody's brain; its kind of funny..
Thing is he look like he isn’t even in his second form, he abusing everyone in his base form
Who. The last time the Spurs actually gave Wemby some real minutes (+30) he blocked JOKIC 7 times and the other game he held JOKIC to 22 points in a upset win Spurs over Nuggets. The first two time they played Wemby played 23 and 25.minutes.
@@SaySpawn so u clinging to that 1 game until next season?
@@SaySpawn you're proving my point with this response haha
Straight up 😂
FYI: When primarily guarded by Gobert, Jokic shot 23/44 from the field. And if you were to exclude the ONE historic game that Jokic had in game 6 going 8/9 on Gobert, he shot 15/35 from the field against Gobert 🤷🏾♂️
Great defense better offense 🤷🏿♂️. As a wolves fan Jokic is just too damn good man.
Overrated defense vs great offense.
The problem with Wolves is good defense but stagnant/unreliable offense. No defense can really stop a good offense, best they can do is slow the offense down. So the biggest part the Wolves are missing is when they are able to slow down the Nuggets they do not have the offense to take advantage.
How you feeling now?
@@dukestandard4743 I’m so geeked right now RUDY IS BETTER THAN JOKIC
How you feeling now?
Did you watch last series? Kd and booker could NOT score on Gobert in space. It got to a point that kd was rejecting screens from nurkic because he didn't want Gobert switched onto him.
He improved in his weaknesses.
But jokic is just jokic.
No gobert and wolves would beat suns, best wolves game this series was when gobert wasnt there. Dude just overrated, nobody expects him to stop jokic but jokic out here shooting 90% when gonert is on him lol.
No way. When rookie Wemby played more than 30 minutes against Joker he has 7 blocks on him in one game and held him to 22 points in the other game in a upset win.💯
@@SaySpawn
In a meaningless regular season game? Ok...
Gobert did a good job in game 1. An actual playoff game. You're not gonna have many good performances against jokic when he locks in though.
@@SaySpawn jokic averages like 36 on wemby lol
We can just use simple math....
Jokic have a shooting averages of 55%.
If you are DPOY... And a 4x DPOY at that, you should be able to hold Jokic to below 55% shooting average.
Sure Jokic might get his 40 pts... But the goal is to make it less efficient for him to do that.
Golbert held Jokic to 88% shooting averages.
Sure it was only 9 shots total, and Jokic passed the ball a lot, but Jokic also had 0 turnovers and 13 assists.
So Rudy allowed Jokic to shoot stupidly high %, and didn't force him to make any turnovers.
This is why Rudy isn't deserving of the DPOY this year. Because how much of it was Rudy and how much of it was the wolves? The rest of the wolves held Jokic to a lower % shooting...
Rudy Gobert is the most overrated defender of all time. He's at times a hilariously bad one-on-one defender, and I've always found him to be more of a help defender in the post.
yea gobert is trash, he has AD shooting 44% over his entire career in 1on1 and embiid 47%. he had jokic at 38% 1on1 until game 5 happened. yall are just low iq animal just sayin things. i dont understand how u can have no shame to just open ur mouth and say random shit like this with no proof to back anything u say.
I mean whose stopping joker
@@Corey41929excluding joker the point is still valid…Rudy is a 4x DPOY but has gotten played off the floor a good few times in the postseason, how does that even happen?
@@Corey41929other ppl managed to hold Jokic below 88% shooting... Hahahahaha
He held Jokic to 11 for 28 previously in the series. So you are just talking shit dude @@Wha2les
JJ Redick pointed out that before game 5 Jokic shot 11-28 with Gobert as primary defender. But obviously because it’s Rudy, everyone will only talk about game 5. People just wanna talk shit man. It’s crazy
the fact that gobert has 4 dpoys and AD doesn't even have 1 is insane
BIG FACTS‼️‼️
Not really AD just hasn't been as healthy as Gobert. Like last year AD shoulda won DPOY but he missed 26 games. And this year the Lakers were 17th in def rating. Which is a flawed stat but if you gave AD the DPOY this year there would've been an outrage especially after they got swept
@BigBroKuma Davis played 75 games in 2017-18 season, while Gpbert played 56 games and Gobert still won DPOY. Davis deserved the award.
@@BigBroKuma dpoy is a regular season award getting swept in the playoffs doesn’t matter and he put on a masterpiece all year
TBH, Draymond is probably the best defender in the NBA on Jokic causing him to drop a whopping 14% when it comes to FG% since 2020.
Are these individual awards not regular season based?
As a wolves fan I can partially agree…that being said..what big can defend Jokic at all? I can’t name u one big that Jokic doesn’t take advantage of including AD. He’s MVP for a reason🤷🏽♂️y’all act like Rudy the only one struggling against Jokic.
He’s literally matched Ben Wallace in all time DPOY’s but can’t stop anyone that’s elite, not even have 1 great defensive game against an elite big and he’s technically the second greatest defender all time with his awards. Thats why we’re out raged.
The problem with rudy is hes not physical. Against forwards who use athleticism to score, he can easily challenge their shots. But against a physical player like jokic or embiid, hes not as effective. Thats why pj tucker, dwight howard and deandre ayton had more success against jokic than rudy ever had.
Ppl forget rudy just actually play physical because of how they are officiated so its a 2 way argument cause he would be great in early 2000s but not that he plays in this era he simply gone look different
Jokic dropped 52 on Ayton last playoffs
And Howard was elbowing a 50 pounds heavier Jokic in the back of the head and double teaming him with AD. Howard isn't doing a damn thing
Wow its almost as if Rudy isn't physical cause he doesn't wanna foul. 😂 Like cmon man it's basketball, yall acting like ts is football or rugby where dudes are actually getting physical.
PJ tucker ? Lmao
Jokic is triggering everybody hahahah
Just wait till they win the championship
Nah, Jokic isn't triggering everyone Rudy Gobert is. He's overrated every one knows that.
@@MichaelDavis-eg1ppMany of the older people were spoiled watching two way bigs like Kareem. SHAQ, Olajuwon, Robinson, Duncan, Ewing, and Mourning that's it. Jokic is a great offensive player, though.
@@SaySpawn jokic is putting all of those bigs on ice skates; its ok old head
Remember there media voted awards. Stop giving so much value to them
💯 I was thinking the same thing 😂
After this, they beat the Nuggets by 45.
We’ve seen all-time great defensive centers get abused. Saying Rudy gobert is overrated because he’s playing against an all time offensive big is illogical.
Yeah I do remember Howard giving Joker problems in the Bubble and I remember D Howard talk about how he watched film on Joker looking for weakness.
Marz is right. There really has been no elite big other than Joker for Rudy to slow down in the playoffs.... Isn't the same true for AD? Or does 2020 make him not "trash"?
Why is everyone in the comments saying “Jokic is just better”? He can’t guard any top 10 bigs. Since Rudy been in Minnesota AD averages 36 ppg against him. He has 4 DPOYS but what is a signature playoff moment in his career?
Regular season award. You people wanted wemby to get the dpoy with no minutes in the playoffs.
he played really well against jokic in the first two games
@@greenrighthand so what does it mean if he can’t hold AD under 36 points per game in the regular season?
Rudy has literally held embid under 50% from the field 5 out of the 10 games they played
How can he have a digital holding playoff expectations for a regular season award
rudy gobert played really well the first two games; jokic just turned it up
He didn’t play the second game and that’s when they clamped the nuggets. Without him on the court the better idk why the coach won’t insert naz for him.
Wemby deserved that DPOY lol that’s all I know. Rudy is just a tall mf who blocks shots. Which is crazy because Wemby had more blocks AND steals than Rudy. AD, Giannis, and Wemby are better defenders than him.
What does Rudy do better than any of them??
@@TJzWayy nothing they probably paid from some people to talk good about gobert
The point of the matter is Rudy gets cooked every regardless if it’s Jokic or not. Like he said, tell me 1 time Rudy ever slowed down an elite Pf or C in his career?
Rudy wasnt the best defensive play this year clearly wemby calling him the best player this year when he wasn't is literally overrating him as the best defender.
Tickets “logic” is just screaming logical fallacies
Swiper is so fuccin annoyin
Say what you will but I know what I’m watching. They’re not bugging even though they clearly don’t like Gobert, this series homeboy isn’t even contesting his shots man. I’m sure I’ve seen like 2 shots he’s contested on Jokic where it’s was great defense just a ridiculous tough shot, vast majority of the shots Gobert has barely even got a hand up nor jumped vertically for Jokic to have to shoot directly over him. I’ve seen Jokic more contested against Kat and Naz as his primary defender this series.
I literally watched gobert contest dam near every single shot jokic took last night jokic was just making them...
@@BLee09 he contested like 2. The other times he barely got a hand up, didn’t jump, or fouled. He also isn’t denying Jokic and pushing him off certain spots as well as I’ve see the other bigs
Quite a coincidence that Gobert manages to be the best defense in the NBA with two different teams. Several times in the top of the best defenses in the NBA, he has nothing to do with it, that's for sure. Utah defensively without Gobert? Quin Snyder without Gobert? Minessota before Gobert?
Overrated 😂
The guy is in the top 3 all time in Utah in the defensive categories (blocks, rebounds) where there are guys like Marc Eaton, Malone, Ostertag and Kirilenko... Let it go, stop worrying, he will end up HOF with all his accomplishments in the NBA and there's nothing you can do about it.
Don’t tell them that because according to them that Minnesota defense would be good without him lol
@@ROO_17Gobert led the Jazz to the number 1 defense with NO defensive help. It's only natural that he creates a all time Defensive team when playing with ACTUAL defenders. Not poles
@@fabtech0771 EXACTLY I love Spida but that brother was a pole literally now he’s playing with someone like Ant and JMcdaniels and people of that nature no wonder they’re elite. Would they still be good with out him sure good not GREAT
People act like Gobert isn’t a GOOD defender, much less an all time great one.
Ben Simmons dropped 40 on Gobert and before you say he wasn’t guarding him take into account Ben doesn’t shoot….at all
I’m sorry but ticket speaking facts & I usually don’t agree with em
Lebron glazer has to tear down anyone that plays Joker to make Jokic look bad 💀💀
Maybe a healthy Embiid or Giannis could contain Jokic a lil bit
Nope. Embiid lets others guard him. Giannis is brave but he can’t guard Nikola.
@greenrighthand that's not true. Embid crushes Joker everytime they play.
@@beazy3364also not true, it was the 6ers that started guarding Jokic with a non C and he was COOKING them.
Embiid outperforms him scoring coz he’s like that. But no one stops Jokic 1v1
@@beazy3364lmao embiid doesnt actually guard jokic dude, watch the games
@@genshishio9316 He does crush jokic everytime they play. Just not on the defensive end since jok can score on anybody and he doesn't primarily guard him.
Rofl, Reid AND Kat defended Jokic way better and they're on Rudy's own fucking team. 4x DPOY has 2 teammates that guard a guy 100x better than he does at his own position? Get out of here.
AD is a power forward he shouldn't be guading jokic
lol the gobert slander is really exposing peoples basketball iq
Joker is just better. There is NOTHING Rudy can do to slow him down.
I guarantee that whoever you think should've been DPOY this year is getting cooked just as bad if not worse than what rudy is. Yall can discuss that since he isnt stopping him maybe explore other lineups to create more offense for the Twolves, but tryna claim Rudy's not a good defender because he's having trouble with a 3 time mvp with the most diverse arsenal of scoring and passing that we've seen in a big is just stupid. Remember what Curry did to Marcus Smart the year he won dpoy?
Yawn Bron stan
Ticket is mad funny when he gets tight 😂😂
This is why i don't care for analytics. Only analytics can make Rudy look elite. Anyone with eyes can see that he looks like a baby giraffe out there on defense. AD and Wemby can literally guard all 5 positions and they make players think twice. Players avoid AD and Wemby but ask for screens to go at Rudy. It's a travesty that he has 4 DPOY awards
Rajon attitude switched up crazy from the last time he was here 😂
Rudy is the most overrated player in nba history. He only wins defensive player of the year because no bigs care about playing d anymore. And Joel is always injured, so it is usually out of the question. Now, wemby is here he should win it every year now.
No one can stop jokic AD couldn’t hold him and Rudy team is winning games thanks to their defensive scheme Rudy is a good overall defender
I just wanna know if Dikembe Mutombo was trash because Shaq destroyed him??? Sometimes great defenders get destroyed by great offensive players...
I hate these stats that dude with the brown hat keep bringing up he talks about the total points and fg% a player has against another but those stats dont show key stops defenders make to help win the game the offensive player can still have a good stats but still get stoped at key moments during the game
i know u was thinking ab that draymond steal as you typed this
@@MarzTalksSports I was talking about any basketball game everyone knows you're not stopping great offensive NBA players defenders are just supposed to get them to shoot a little below there fg% or point average or get key stops at important times
@@SSSMOR. u was still thinking about that draymond steal
@@MarzTalksSports lol ur funny I'm just tiered of the nba being about just throwing stats out there to win basketball debates stats dont tell the whole story everytime alot of detail is left out
@@SSSMOR. i agree,and shoutout to that draymond steal
The dude in the top left corner, looking like a ninja I used to brake out of jail with.
That boy was hell with a laundry cart.
Straight Facts Rudy is overrated man 🤣 come on this dude naaaa he ain’t him
Ya would call bam and wemby overrated too if they were guarding jokic in a playoff series
No it not that in this era he overrated because draymond bam wemby ad are better due to versatility is the most important in playoff defense because team are trying to go for a weak link and if your big can switch you can stifle a lot of team bread and butter
@@akwesirobinson1710Great point, what's wrong with these cats. 😂🤣
Embid slowed Jokic down but Gobert is hot garbage and has been hus whole career.
And embiid gave jokic problems on offence. Man, this is a hot asf take, but if embiid made the finals this year and faced the nuggets while being fully healthy, I don't see how the sixers don't beat the nuggets. Embiid is a superior scorer, improved as a passer where he can actually pass out of doubles well, one of the best defenders in the league, and has a plethora of shooters and on all defenders surrounding him.
@@donaldf9055You're delusional. Getting 25 FTs a game =/= superior scorer.
Jokic cooks Embiid 1v1 which is why he started ducking him in denver. Go look at the tapes. He does help defense just like Gobert, Giannis, and AD.
@@donaldf9055yu got to be mentally insane if yu think the sixers would beat the nuggets in a game 7 series
FACTS, man cant slow nobody down let alone the joker. Any dominate big man would destroy him.
He was so great they took Embiid of Jokic and PJ Tucker on him in the second half. Jokic had like 20 in the first half. Dudes have selected memory.
Gobert defenders/stans are weird 😂 😂. Dude is traaaaaash. Make him take paternity leave
Anthony Davis is the best defender in the league imo and jokic averaged 30 on him 🤷♂️
3 time mvp is going to cook anyone 😂
Ticket not saying that Gobert got to completely shut Joker down. Gobert not even offering no type of resistance. Joker and other players just walk up and score on him anytime they want
Outside of jokic wat other offensive bigs would Rudy play in the postseason ticket? Outside of jokic embid, kat and now wemby, we don’t have as much offensive bigs as we did in the past
Imma throw Giannis in there as a big as well. I thought when i seen him guard Joel and Jokic he gave them problems defensively. It was hard for them to have their way with him.
The "how would so and so do in other eras" is so stupid. Give yourself a minute to meditate on why that is.
Draymond is a top five defender of all time!
how is swipa acting like dropping off to 51% FG for a center isn't a crazy drop
Reid and jat garding Jokic better only because Gobert is their back up
Dikembe Mutombo is also trash. He got cooked by Shaq in 01. So did Tim Duncan.
David Robinson got cooked by Hakeem in 1994. KG got cooked by Dirk in the playoffs. Rodman got cooked by Bird.
These guys are all trash I guess.
AD definitely should’ve won it this season he played damn near every game and was a top 10 player and top 5 defensive player that award is OVERRATED ik it was cooked when smart won the award 🤣
Ticket is cooking the shit outta them. Watch the game. Jokic was killing with simple back downs and jump hooks
Just consider how SOFT this era is when Rudy Gobert wins 4 DPOY awards!
Going out sad over Gobert is crazy. Lol he’s the only DPOY I’ve seen that gets hidden on defense. 😂
Did Ticket get a root canal before this or something
ticket is right , understandably so the hate is crazy but at the same time a little true because sure we can say the big man today are offensively great now but at the same time if we never had a series where he didn’t have a great defensive impact then he’s out of these all time great defensive convos
Lbh the rudy slander is because he’s a glorified role player getting payed max money
If people played in the nba they would realize. THEY ARE HUMAN 😂. They get tired and if they face something better than them. They will fall, its like Michael Jordan. U put him against the best defender they might get a couple of victories. But mike will end up making them looking like they never should have been awarded. It how the game goes.
Paul Gasol destroyed Dwight Howard as well. With moves in and out the post. Shoot the middy as well. And could put the ball on floor
Draymond is underrated
Bruson will be tied in Boston in third round if bruson
Two things can be true. I think Rudy Gobert is an overrated player, due to he credit for Team Defense instead of Individual defense.
Jokic is also just a beast right now !!
All I can remember gobert doing bad is that clippers series where they went 5 out and were going and gobert looked bad and Terrance Mann went off
My issue is the DPOY can’t be a player you like on the switch. If Rudy switches, it’s BBQ chicken for anyone going against him.
Forget this series, y’all remember when Gobert begged for dpoy j to get cooked by the clippers😂😂
Ticket spitting today
No one is stopping jokic the problem is if rudy cant stop or slowdown the player hes guarding hes worthless because hes horrible on switching and he doesn't give you anything offensively you have to attack jokic offensively if you wanna give yourself a chance you cant do that with Gobert on the floor Minnesota has to sit Gobert
T wovles and Denver they play vs Dallas or thunder in third round playoff
I wish I could be as nonchalant as mars bro really don’t give a fuk what they talking about
Why we acting like Nikola Jokic ain’t cooking anyone and everyone the same way he cooked Gobert. Regardless of the fact that Gobert was playing great defense in game 5
We have nostalgia for 1 on 1 defense. In the 3pt era 1 on 1 defense is less important than help defense which rudy is elite at. With that said rudy is a liability and its not because of his defense. He is a terrible offensive player he cant even take advantage of smaller players which hurts them
I don’t think Rudy is overrated but this is exactly why I e long held of all the awards, this one is the weakest and we shouldn’t have it. They only give it to the guy who usually leads in rebound or shot blocking average. Not even totals, lol. Rudy should provide at least some resistance but Joker is smart, uses an obviously bigger body and can get whatever shot he wants. Stoppers, stop people close to half the possessions.
0:23 lmao had to come back after luka cooked gobert for that last shot lol. Perimeter he bad but interior idk
This is a stupid ass topic. It’s a simple explanation. Great offense beats great defense. Jokic is the best player in the world. The best player in the world is not going gonna get shut down or get contained most of the time the only time that’s happened was Lebron in the 2011 finals
Gobert is overrated in the sense of his accolades to how great of a player he actually is.. but he's still very good, it's just that his competition is just minimal
Rudy got torched man😂 it wasn’t even just jokic cooking him he couldn’t stop shit wasn’t boxing out nothing. Just standing there. Stop the excuses he is not a 4x dpoy caliber defender man
If Jokic eats, then the defender is terrible. Its just Jokic hate.
Buson will get tired in game seven vs Pacers might be in over time in game six when when buson will get tied in Boston in third round playoff dudes
Embiid be cooking Rudy 😂
Rudy gobert is the best help defender in the league not defensive player !!!
shaq cooked ben wallace one on one
Must ain’t see the 2004 finals
@@richgang37 he cooked him. it was literally apart of their strategy to get kobe upset shaq was scoring all the points. they purposely played one on one knowing shaq would get his and kobe would get jealous and start chucking shots which is exactly what happened
@@standardyeepzWhat nonsense are you writing. The game they won was the one that Kobe actually went all out.
@@afallenworld1581 Kobe was ass that series...😑😑😑
@@afallenworld1581 and the other 4 games?
Ticket is right….. especially when talking to swipa.
Lets be honest. Naz and kat defended better against jokic than rudy has.
Evidence to back it or it’s an eye thing ?