I get your meming, (and that some of these weapons are honestly shit) but the Persian persuader and back scatter are honestly good. I use them sometimes. Persuader allows stupid rapid charge all the time if you slap it onto a splendid screen, and the back scatter doesnt even do less damage any more. its got a smaller clip, no random crits, and is 20% less accurate. thats it. its a killing machine when you shove it up a heavies ass.
@@mkmasterthreesixfive Sorry, I interpreted your comment as "it doesn't matter if I use a bad gun (enforcer) because I can backstab people". My fault, carry on. :)
i thought this vid was actually going to be a discussion of why certain weapons arent used, weather they just suck, are easily countered, are basically pointless, ect, guess i was wrong
"Man i wonder what the first weapon will be" Persian pursuader "Thats not really underused but ok, is he at least using it with tide turner? Nope, at least he has the splendid and isn't using the-" g r e n a d e l a u n c h e r "OH HE HAS A GRENADE LAUNCHER, OH OK, I SEE WHERE THIS VIDEO IS GOING"
Exact same stats as stock but with infinite ammo and the charged shot that does minicrits, sets enemies on fire and disables sentries all at the cost of 80% less damage to buildings
agreed, on CP_Gorge Red I usually camp at the top on blu's spawning balcony for 2nd point with one of the banners, when they drop on the point hit em with a charge, if the team is fighting a push, blow your horn and rush em
They nerfed it for the same reason as GRU, because heavy to midfight rollout ruins 6v6 if done properly. The health reduction is so that it can be done to get a heavy to a last push or something, where you have time to let it wear off. Heavy to mid with full health just slows down the game in 6s.
Once upon a time when the Ullapool Caber was a nuke, suiciding Demomen (like me) charged to the cart and nuked 1 Soldier, 1 Demoman, 2 Medics, and 3 Pyros... That were good times...
The comment about the mad milk and fan o' war was supposed to be sarcastic right? Those two weapons may be bad in casual, but they are part of the meta for mvm...
A lot of people use the cow mangler. It's just that they forget about how the charge shot can disable buildings. I once did it to a sentry on 2fort and no one saw me.
I used to use direct hit as engi counter but cowmangler has proven to be a lot more effective. An engi can resist direct hit by bapping his sentry and will not take damage himself while being protected by his sentry. The cowmangler will damage and ignite the engi, deactivate his sentry, and allow your team to spam. Which they will.
drkastenbrot imo direct hit is better if your casual team is just doing whatever but if your team is actually a team cowmangler is better but that’s just my opinion
I use the enforcer all the time because it's the only spy primary that not only doesn't have a damage debuff, but its also the only spy primary that has a damage buff
@@CityState_of_Valletta In which case it becomes a free long distance mini sapper which is actually useful for coordinated pushes or demos peeking to get a clear sightline on a sentry to kill it.
6:00 Literally charges a full cow mangler hit aimed to hit a cart carried by atleast 5 different people. Decides to jerk the shot. Aim for the spy coming through the door. And misses. >this weapon is shit. C0w M4nGlER i$ Sh¡t!!!!! Lmao okay bud.
Max Box I’ve regurgitated funnier looking pieces of phlegm than there were funny jokes in this vid. You try too hard, and then dismiss valid criticism 🤦♂️🤷♀️😑
@@jimbojones5136 broski, what criticism am I dismissing? If you look through the comments, I've been agreeing with people that the video feels pretty.. eh.
Don't most people not use the mad milk because it is cancerous and can make a whole team sustain them self for free so scouts who are good know not to abuse it especially since it doesn't make them better because every comp league bans the thing?
Pachy The Pirate talking about the pubs where there are 3 spies running around. Or like 7 pyros who constantly put your ass on fire. Other than that, i dunno. I’ll pick up the comp tf2 next year.
I've often used The Paintrain, by far my most used weapon, on Demoman, i'd often clear out a Control Point with a barrage of pills, then quickly run to capture it, paired with the Sticky Jumper, makes a great round finnisher. Well thank you MaxBox, have mine too ❤️.
The Cow Mangler is honestly one of my favorite rocket launchers. No ammo, a charge shot for snipers or standing enemies, shutdown of sentries... it's cool.
Meeting at Valve: We have all these different weapons that have good ups and downs and are often more fun to use than stock. Let's nerf them all so that no one will want to use them, making them essentially pointless! And then he was given a raise and a promotion.
2:50 why did anyone think a health drain mechanic on a combat oriented melee weapon was a good idea? Although, if killing people with it would also restore lost max health, and potentially go into increased max health a la daloka bar, it could work.
I love how hard Max had to try to flub with the Persuader. Like, you can tell that he could tell that the Heavy wasn’t going to turn around, and you could see the conscious effort to position himself inside the minigun’s barrel.
These weapons aren't used because they kneecap any player trying to use them over other clearly superior options, and Valve can't be bothered to balance its game.
@@Dr.CaveCurinas It all comes down to mentality of the player. If you are competitive, these unused weapons are just weaker downgraded that are more niche then versatile. For casual players, they are just gimmick weapons for anyone looking for a good time rather than sticking to what they normally use. Spice up their gameplay, in a sense. Which, if you forgot, is what TF2 originally was. A casual game. The TF team only started focusing on the competitive side a few years ago. Of course things are not balanced with this new mindset in play.
@@TheBigSad8247 Yeah, I get it. It's just that when I see people criticizing competitive players for only choosing certain characters/weapons/options in a video game, they often treat these "meta" options as though the players select them at random, and it's the competitive players' unwillingness to move away from these "meta" options that causes unbalance at top level play rather than an actual lack of balance in the game's options. For example, it seems like they think the reason you see Fox/Falco/Sheik/Marth a lot in top level melee is because that's what players randomly chose to play instead of the fact that Melee is not perfectly balanced and these characters are very strong. Top level melee players would love a more diverse cast, but the mechanics of the game don't really allow that. It's similar in TF2.
Max Box. Your not very good with the weapons thoe. Different weapons mean different play style so try not to be mad the weapon is bad there either really bad or situational and most clips you didn’t show where they are useful like cow mangler and other weapons
In literally all these clips you used the weapon entirely wrong and then blamed them for being "bad weapons". Besides, Cow Mangler is *part of the current meta*. You really should've put some more research into this video, or made it more obvious it was a joke...
Broski, I think it's plenty obvious that it was pretty joking. If you've been around with the channel for a while you'll know that I very much so DON'T do analysis videos like Uncle Dane and the like.
1:00 the mad milk is meta for highlander scouts, as he is not suited to the cluserfuck fights of 9v9 he is often sent to kill the spy, often using his milk. In sixes, you'll hear people calling him "the master of 1v1s" etc. - but 1v1s are a lot less common in highlander.
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"4 days ago" 🤔
Wait four days ago???
but max box, you forgot the sun-on-stick!!!
I get your meming, (and that some of these weapons are honestly shit) but the Persian persuader and back scatter are honestly good. I use them sometimes. Persuader allows stupid rapid charge all the time if you slap it onto a splendid screen, and the back scatter doesnt even do less damage any more. its got a smaller clip, no random crits, and is 20% less accurate. thats it. its a killing machine when you shove it up a heavies ass.
@@wolfiejacob Most people know to turn around when they're being shot nowadays, don't they?
*misses enforcer shots that would've missed with any other weapon*
EnFoRcEr Is AwFuL
*Switches to knife and swings it helplessly, and inevitably dies because of bad positioning and decision making*
This weapon sucks
*I dont need this cuz i can just stab people*
what's a razorback?
@@mkmasterthreesixfive Enforcer can still two shot a sniper tho
@@asingularcheesepuff6383 that was my point
@@mkmasterthreesixfive Sorry, I interpreted your comment as "it doesn't matter if I use a bad gun (enforcer) because I can backstab people". My fault, carry on. :)
9:12
> uses backscatter
> goes to enemy spawn
> expects enemy to walk out of spawn with their backs turned
10/10
PROFIT
YOU MAKE ME FUCKING LAUGH SO HARD!!!! HELP ME
3. Reply
Well i mean... It is non meta weapons used incorrectly sooo...
Soon:666 like
U:* triggered *
Conclusion, max box is bad at tf2
the simplest answer is often correct
@@OfficialMaxBox ye
No, I am MUCH worse. (Check out the TF2 video on my channel for proof)
I’m more worse
JTBSpartan no
makes a scout loadout
shortstop, mad milk, fan of war
-who uses this?
makes my exact mvm loadout
swap short-stop with FaN and you have my loadout
Bruh that’s what my load out is usually in pubs
@@Mima_the_vengeful_spirit
Swap FaN with Soda Popper and you have MY loadout
Ik this is meme video but watching someone equip Persian persuader with a grenade launcher hurts me more than you can possibly imagine.
Same, i am literally dying after seeing that one clip
i use persian persuader with stickies
@@krraken *sounds of my spirit leaving the body*
same here
Ikr?
Me: *Has 3,000 hours on scout and always uses the Mad Milk*
Max Box: Who uses the Mad Milk anyways!!?
Me: *Aggressively typing*
haha me too
pistol is just about being an asshole
thats no fun
Yes same for soldier I think using the shotgun is just being an asshole
I use Mad Milk too.
I felt attacked.
@@z3ddd *Aggressive reusing a joke*
@@z3ddd imo using shotgun is only really an assholey thing when someone's trolldiering.
IF YOU'RE GONNA MARKET GARDEN ME. MARKET GARDEN ME
i thought this vid was actually going to be a discussion of why certain weapons arent used, weather they just suck, are easily countered, are basically pointless, ect, guess i was wrong
deeeeefinitely not. I'll leave that sort of analysis stuff to other channels, I don't think I'm all that good at it.
Just max making some decent weapons look bad due to his ‘high’ skill
Everything has to be a joke nowadays it seems
nope, it was just a bad video
"have we done all the bad weapons?" litterly skips over 5 ambassadors in his inventory. XD
Meh, it aint that bad. Ya know? It's hated cause of the cringe weaboo spys
It's still mediocre outshines by stock and diamondback
9:13 Runs at full health soldier and pyro. Dies. “Yeah that’s a pretty shit weapon”
i expect the game to give ME kills
@@OfficialMaxBox that's why you're meant to use the phlog
Who needs w+M1 pyro when you can have Max Box, the w+M1 heavy!!!
I can’t believe you forgot the Sharpened Volcano Fragment
StickMaster500 no u it very gud weapon it da best weapon in da game ya!
Perfect for spreading butter on your bread AND toast it at the same time
What about the best weapon in the game...the sun on a stick?
but is a good weapon
Eh, he probably recorded himself using every weapon, but didn't do anything too eventful with over half of them.
"Man i wonder what the first weapon will be"
Persian pursuader
"Thats not really underused but ok, is he at least using it with tide turner? Nope, at least he has the splendid and isn't using the-"
g r e n a d e l a u n c h e r
"OH HE HAS A GRENADE LAUNCHER, OH OK, I SEE WHERE THIS VIDEO IS GOING"
"No-one uses the fan-o-war" Me: (hides my fan-o-war)
Mad milk too
@@perrocamarada3263 Yeah, because of that Muselk video a couple years ago it used to be that every scout and his dog would use the Mad Milk.
hey man
*Hides my Mad Milk.*
kawai also #sosig
8:57 Dude the Winger is flipping amazing
No one uses the pain train because everyone plays Ctf servers. Also cow mangler isn't actually that bad.
Exact same stats as stock but with infinite ammo and the charged shot that does minicrits, sets enemies on fire and disables sentries all at the cost of 80% less damage to buildings
Its really good
Yea, and also it looks...eh, it looks okay
agreed, on CP_Gorge Red I usually camp at the top on blu's spawning balcony for 2nd point with one of the banners, when they drop on the point hit em with a charge, if the team is fighting a push, blow your horn and rush em
I use that shit btw
The Back scatter is good because no one worries about their back whean a Scouts around...
Edit: Thanks lol.
Do you use the Back Scatter unironically, as I do?
Scout is not a spy
@@bruschetta7711 he has spy blood in him though
It's sad that they nerfed the Eviction for no reason. Lmao
>brass knuckles with spikes
>less damage than fists
@@Dynvali it does less damage because the heavy is trying to hit really fast
They nerfed it for the same reason as GRU, because heavy to midfight rollout ruins 6v6 if done properly. The health reduction is so that it can be done to get a heavy to a last push or something, where you have time to let it wear off. Heavy to mid with full health just slows down the game in 6s.
@@TheTaquitoProject Of course it's gotta be comp
I don't really like how they kinda just turned it into a diet version of the GRU
Spot the hacker then:
Oh their screen is flicky, that was fishy, and they don’t use chat
Spot the hacker now:
*CAN YOU QUACK?*
1:07 every scout main in mvm wants to speak with you
Edit:161 likes and heart?! Well thank you all
Lets have a talk ...
@@mmao6919 k
No heart.....
1:45
(Proceeds to walk directly in front of the heavies line of fire)
"This weapon sucks!"
based
Once upon a time when the Ullapool Caber was a nuke, suiciding Demomen (like me) charged to the cart and nuked 1 Soldier, 1 Demoman, 2 Medics, and 3 Pyros... That were good times...
FusselTeddy it’s such a liability now. I also miss the old times.
:c
Caber crits can crush anything.
I killed 3 or 4 people on an all crit server with one swing.
*_I said "DEAD-ic" at the same time he did-_*
I thought the same thing
The Cow Mangler is the best rocket launcher after stock.
how about direct hit mate more damage with no downsides unless your bad with aim
Uhhh original????????
@@atomicwiththreeos stock means original
@@blazekunz4269 rip splash damage on entire enemy team
In a 1v1 scenerio it is a lot better.
I'm assuming that you don't know that the cow mangler has a 35% slower reload rate. It's actually trash.
"Lets switch to something that is actually good"
*switches away from tomislav*
Lmao what
The comment about the mad milk and fan o' war was supposed to be sarcastic right? Those two weapons may be bad in casual, but they are part of the meta for mvm...
they can DESTROY giant robots
and the mad milk is banned in comp leagues for a reason...
A lot of things are meta in MVM that are complete trash elsewhere, but it only half applies to the mad milk
The milk is overpowered in every gamemode
The Mad Milk is Too Good
I’m glad we still have a tf2 youtuber. Btw I just crafted the sword hand first try today
A lot of people use the cow mangler. It's just that they forget about how the charge shot can disable buildings. I once did it to a sentry on 2fort and no one saw me.
once?
oh my sweet summer child
_pats him in the head_
@NIghthawk I think he did it multiple times it's just that one time, nobody saw him
I used to use direct hit as engi counter but cowmangler has proven to be a lot more effective. An engi can resist direct hit by bapping his sentry and will not take damage himself while being protected by his sentry. The cowmangler will damage and ignite the engi, deactivate his sentry, and allow your team to spam. Which they will.
drkastenbrot imo direct hit is better if your casual team is just doing whatever but if your team is actually a team cowmangler is better but that’s just my opinion
I use the enforcer all the time because it's the only spy primary that not only doesn't have a damage debuff, but its also the only spy primary that has a damage buff
the cowmangler is literally stock come on!!!
Unless their team has an engie… or 12
@@CityState_of_Valletta In which case it becomes a free long distance mini sapper which is actually useful for coordinated pushes or demos peeking to get a clear sightline on a sentry to kill it.
@@pyrojack8230 "coordinated pushes"
*laughs in casual*
DoABarrelRoll in 6s it’s good because if you’re the roamer soldier you aren’t fighting sentries. That’s the pockets job
6:00 Literally charges a full cow mangler hit aimed to hit a cart carried by atleast 5 different people.
Decides to jerk the shot. Aim for the spy coming through the door. And misses.
>this weapon is shit.
C0w M4nGlER i$ Sh¡t!!!!!
Lmao okay bud.
like
look at the title though
“Like who even uses the mad milk! Nobody even uses the mad milk!”
*spikeymikey will remember that*
**plays like an idiot** "this weapon sucks"
welcome to comedy
@@OfficialMaxBox fair enough
Max Box I’ve regurgitated funnier looking pieces of phlegm than there were funny jokes in this vid. You try too hard, and then dismiss valid criticism 🤦♂️🤷♀️😑
@@jimbojones5136 broski, what criticism am I dismissing? If you look through the comments, I've been agreeing with people that the video feels pretty.. eh.
@@OfficialMaxBox r e s p e c t
Hold down m2 and keep holding with the persian persuader and loot ammo packs from fallen players, infinite charge
But I use mad milk...
MKT Sotar you can take on a heavy and his pocket with that thing.. It’s super good
Don't most people not use the mad milk because it is cancerous and can make a whole team sustain them self for free so scouts who are good know not to abuse it especially since it doesn't make them better because every comp league bans the thing?
Pachy The Pirate talking about the pubs where there are 3 spies running around. Or like 7 pyros who constantly put your ass on fire. Other than that, i dunno. I’ll pick up the comp tf2 next year.
Feel ya
Same brother.. sameeee..
I've often used The Paintrain, by far my most used weapon, on Demoman, i'd often clear out a Control Point with a barrage of pills, then quickly run to capture it, paired with the Sticky Jumper, makes a great round finnisher.
Well thank you MaxBox, have mine too ❤️.
Guys, he forgot the righteous bison
People: The Classic sucks for the headshots and damage and whatnot...
Me:... Have you heard of tunnel vision?
Alexander Szewc yeah if you’re peaking corners for quick shots it’s good
*Insert angry hipster that uses these weapons*
Mad Milk is best (scout) secondary, Wrap Assasin best (scout) melee.
@@brem- Lol atomizer is so much better tho.
Insert Max Box not knowing how to use these weapons.
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 akshualyy meme video
U don't know how to use this weapons ((
thats the NAME OF THE VIDEO
@@deliriumn00b11 It wasn't before you got to understand that.
1:05 well excuuuuuse me
The Cow Mangler is honestly one of my favorite rocket launchers. No ammo, a charge shot for snipers or standing enemies, shutdown of sentries... it's cool.
I think maybe you should do a series each class and play with the bad/unused weapons on bad/unplayed maps etc. Idk just a idea
1:10
You literally just created my go-to scout loadout..... is this a good thing?
You used all of these weapons Incorrectly
Max Box: Spot the hacker is coming back.
Me: WWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Meeting at Valve: We have all these different weapons that have good ups and downs and are often more fun to use than stock. Let's nerf them all so that no one will want to use them, making them essentially pointless!
And then he was given a raise and a promotion.
but cow mangler is broken with good team
Janusz Polak on 6s if you’re the roamer
@@lemonsarelemonade4439 this to Cow mangler is direct upgrade of stock as long as enemy team dont have engi
*fails to aim his charged shots and misses with the cowmangler*
wEaPoN bAD loL
Sun on the stick hmmmmmmm
In quite a pickle indeed hmmm
It is actually kinda good with the baby face's blaster, which he also forgot about.
8:05
"oh you tanked the bullet for him"
the machina in his hands: sure he did.
Dang, missed spot the hacker, so close
2:50 why did anyone think a health drain mechanic on a combat oriented melee weapon was a good idea?
Although, if killing people with it would also restore lost max health, and potentially go into increased max health a la daloka bar, it could work.
“who even uses the madmilk anyway?”
*Several people are typing*
1:42 You clearly ran into that, now I must comment about a simple flaw that was meant to clearly go along with the joke of the video.
Anyone notice The Stanely Parable Narrator talking in the video?
Awww dude, you hitting me in the feels with that limitless into playing in your intro, i wish they hadn't canceled that show.
I use the mad milk
1:42 '' i think im next to this heavy shooting.... im going to move where he is shooting''
you have to go demoknight with persian
"you never see someone using the fan o' war"
litereally 99% of the scouts i've seen had the fan o' war
So whats up with those spawn protector sentries *Seinfeld laugh track starts playing*
I love how hard Max had to try to flub with the Persuader. Like, you can tell that he could tell that the Heavy wasn’t going to turn around, and you could see the conscious effort to position himself inside the minigun’s barrel.
U forgot the shortstop
Summary of 7:30 to 8:30 : "Wow, I'm so good at this game, and now I'm dead!"
The Persian persuader is good when you play medieval mode and I like that weapon when I play demo knight
10:04 Max:bird head demo...U GOT TROLLLLLLED!!!
Loving the Limitless music lmao
Nothing feels better than going stealth heavy and ora-ora-oraing somebody from behind with the eviction notice.
Him: nobody uses the mad milk and fan of war
Me/ Thicc Milg Mister: ok :(
I miss the old eviction notice
I remember the post you made on youtube with the gif adds one grenade.
Cow Mangler is one of my favorite weapons purely because of the vaporize kill effect.
Why aren’t these weapons used? Cause they’re not the “Meta.” Cause obviously we only need 3 or 4 weapons per class.
These weapons aren't used because they kneecap any player trying to use them over other clearly superior options, and Valve can't be bothered to balance its game.
@@Dr.CaveCurinas It all comes down to mentality of the player. If you are competitive, these unused weapons are just weaker downgraded that are more niche then versatile. For casual players, they are just gimmick weapons for anyone looking for a good time rather than sticking to what they normally use. Spice up their gameplay, in a sense. Which, if you forgot, is what TF2 originally was. A casual game. The TF team only started focusing on the competitive side a few years ago. Of course things are not balanced with this new mindset in play.
@@TheBigSad8247 Yeah, I get it. It's just that when I see people criticizing competitive players for only choosing certain characters/weapons/options in a video game, they often treat these "meta" options as though the players select them at random, and it's the competitive players' unwillingness to move away from these "meta" options that causes unbalance at top level play rather than an actual lack of balance in the game's options. For example, it seems like they think the reason you see Fox/Falco/Sheik/Marth a lot in top level melee is because that's what players randomly chose to play instead of the fact that Melee is not perfectly balanced and these characters are very strong. Top level melee players would love a more diverse cast, but the mechanics of the game don't really allow that. It's similar in TF2.
"maybe it does a lot of damage"
*purposefully walks in front of oblivious heavy to die and make a point*
Max Box. Your not very good with the weapons thoe. Different weapons mean different play style so try not to be mad the weapon is bad there either really bad or situational and most clips you didn’t show where they are useful like cow mangler and other weapons
3:53 that camera movements are a little strange
Yes more spot the hacker!!!
"Who even uses the vita-saw?" I enjoy having uber personally
In literally all these clips you used the weapon entirely wrong and then blamed them for being "bad weapons". Besides, Cow Mangler is *part of the current meta*. You really should've put some more research into this video, or made it more obvious it was a joke...
Broski, I think it's plenty obvious that it was pretty joking. If you've been around with the channel for a while you'll know that I very much so DON'T do analysis videos like Uncle Dane and the like.
scoutyy THAT IS THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO
@@Wildcard-Jack-47 The title was changed.
SolarKnight What was the original
@@Wildcard-Jack-47 Basically what it said in the thumbnail, underused weapons
Max box: struggles with classic
Wegeepootis and ray: *Get a load of this guy.*
Fish
spiritupgrades fish
spiritupgrades fish
fish
max box: im going to use non-meta weapons now if you excuse me im going to clickbait my video by using the stock knife for 3 minutes
there's much better stuff to complain about in this video. In what way is the knife used to clickbait?
"Oh you tanked the bullet for him"
Is using the wepon that penetrates players
I know this is a joke, but it hurts because it’s so real.
It's nice to see that max goes through comments on old videos and still hearts them
1:05 "No one uses the mad milk!" Me: (hides my mad milk that I've used for the past 4 months)
1:30 Me: (Hides my Persian Persuader)
Box: is just bad at the game
Box: man this weapon sucks
The title should be: "Max Box uses bad weapons in TF2 but everytime he dies he switches his bad weapon with another bad weapon"
Should be called: Max Box has no idea what he's talking about.
also pretty accurate
MaxBox: Everyone uses the sandvich
Me: _uses the panic attack/brass beast/fists of steel_
"You never see someone using the fan o war"
Me: *nervous sweating*
LOL my head phones said battery low, and the video caption *Not True* appear.
1:00 the mad milk is meta for highlander scouts, as he is not suited to the cluserfuck fights of 9v9 he is often sent to kill the spy, often using his milk. In sixes, you'll hear people calling him "the master of 1v1s" etc. - but 1v1s are a lot less common in highlander.
1:42 Has to take on a HEAVY who is OBLIVIOUS, then proceeds to walk into his LINE OF FIRE because he isn’t killing him.
Probably won't be able to see Spot The Hacker. that's the day after Let's Go comes out and i'll pretty much be surgically attached to my switch.
One time i saw a classic sniper that knew how to nosope and he was SCARY
Persian Persuader: Gives you charge every time you hit anything or run over a box of boolets
Usage: *Thomas the Choo Choo Charge Train Intensifies*
You forgot the shortstop, but I think you should make a part 2
"hello medic,or should say...*heavyly breaths*... *DEADICK* "
It was at this moment that Max Box knew he was salty.