Pitman Arm, Idler Arm, & Idler arm bracket replacement: GM SIlverado Sierra Suburban Yukon
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- 140 foot pounds on the wheels.I am no longer allowed to add notes to the yt format, so it doesn’t say anymore
Parts found here:
Moog Pitman arm K6536
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Moog Idler Arm K6534
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Moog Idler arm bracket K6723
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Pitman arm puller
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This video shows the process of replacing the pitman, idler, and idler bracket arms on a 2000 Chevy silverado. Its the same process on most GM Trucks
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I never use a puller on Pitman arms anymore. Use a cutting disc and cut through Pitman arm. Use a tapered chisel and spread it. Thing falls right off. Just a little fyi for anyone having issues.
grinder with metal disc work the same also mine snapped and bolt stuck in steering rod any tips
Outstanding!
Did this today on a Duramax. I customized my pitman arm puller to fit between front sub frame and steering box shaft. Did not jack up or take wheels off. Idler arm and bracket was easy and breaking pitman free from center link was easy. Pitman steering shaft was a nightmare until I customized my puller. My front end rattles are gone and the steering is tight. Used 15” HF Crescent wrench to undo nut and finished it with a 1 5/16 NAPA impact socket with a HF swivel head ratchet. Saved $1,700 quote for about $220 parts and a few tools. Used 1/2 breaker bar and socket to tighten new pitman arm nut to 184 ft lbs. new riding truck!!!
How did you modify your puller?
Make a video on this!
Just wanted to know how you modified your pulled?
Thanks in advance and have a great day!!!
My pitman broke backing into a parking spot yesterday, so I watched your video and fixed it all today, anyone approaching this be sure to verify if your pitman has a 3 or 4 slot arm. Thanks for the content, it was nice to go in knowing what to do and look for. Very informative and good visuals.
For those wondering just how to count slots ... you can tell the difference in 3 or 4 by pushing up the sleeve on the shaft of the steering box, then you can see the grooves and slots
As a note, when using a Pitman arm puller, leave the steering gear nut on just far enough to protect the steering gear output shaft threads.
Thank you. I have changed the Idler at the steering. Now I'm changing the Idler arm and bracket. You cleared up questions I was having before I started that side of the steering.
Thanks for the vid. This is one of those jobs that even "suspension techs" suck at. Especially when it comes to torquing stuff down without ruining the gear box.
Joe Ybanez Thabk you. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Sometimes it’s just better to take your time and do it yourself vs a shop knocking it out quick and doing it less thoroughly
What a dum;; ass
Great video. Love the clear camera work and commentary. I'm about to do this job on my 1500hd. Although I waited to late and my pitman stud broke! Luckily it happened in my driveway and not doing 50mph down the road🤯
If you do the idler arm and also the idler arm bracket, take them off together to save the hassle. I did them all separate in the video because I decided in the end to do everything.
I appreciate the video. I have watched a bunch and this one was really good. I needed to replace the steering gear box, pitman arm, idler arm, and idler bracket. Since I was replacing all those items I left the pitman arm on the steering gear and idler arm on the idler arm bracket when I removed them. After I got the steering box and pitman arm out, I had to remove the pitman arm only so I could get the dust seal off the put on the new one as it did not come with one. I had a horrible time trying to remove the pitman arm with a puller and impact wrench and I even bent the puller without ever getting the arm off. When I got another puller, a mechanic told me to just slightly tighten the puller, knock the arm gently with a hammer, and keep slowly tightening the puller and hitting with a hammer. Doing it this way made it really easy and the arm came off fine.
Thank you Sir !!! This video was one of the most helpful out there. I got the job done and saved me $300 I owe you a beer !!!
Excellent video bud!! Very thorough! I have to do that job tmrw and with your video it'll make it that much easier. Thanks for taking the time to film it, im sure the job took you much longer just to film it for us. Thanks again bud!
Germ City Studios Thabk you for your comment. Yeah, it took longer, so hopefully it can save you some time. If you go to remove the idler arm you can take off the idler arm bracket and remove both of those at the same time to save some time. Good luck on the repair!
Always remember to put grease in those new parts or you'll be back under there again before you can say - What the heck ! , man ! I just changed those out not too long ago , parts must be defective . Other than that , good video Danny . I'm getting ready to do a complete front end job minus the steering box and just like you , I am using all Moog parts other than the calipers , rotors and pads . Upper and Lower control arms w/ball joints , hub assemblies , front brake calipers , rotors and pads ( all 3 Acdelco ) Pittman Arm and Assembly , Sway Bar links and Sway Bar Bushings and last but not least Inner and outer Tie rod ends . Have a awesome weekend .
Jason D. don't forget to wack it hard when u under the car 👏😀
Thanks for the great video. I need to replace these on my 2000. This was a great tutorial on how to do it. Thanks again
Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed it. Feel free to see the other videos I've done on this truck here: ua-cam.com/video/VXtoBSe4k4k/v-deo.html
Hands down one of the best walk through I have found. Great info on the steering box and how to get that nut/arm broke loose. Tackling this tomorrow! Thanks my man!
Thanks man. Be sure to see my other videos on this truck here if you’d like: ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
Hey Danny thanks for the video. I miss my Terminator but still love your content! Just started working at a shop and hope to start doing jobs like this. Very informative!
What’s the difference between the idler and pitman arm? Does it have to do with the pitman arm linking up to the steering?
Yes, the pitman is directly for steering
Your video was exactly what I was looking for. Nice job, young man. Well done. Thank you for doing it.
Mangler Malachi Thank you. Here are more videos I have on this truck ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage Yes, I have a '93 GMC with a worn out front end, so I have watched all of your videos on that topic too. Great job!
Word of advice? Haha! I know grease washes off, and in all of my 52 years I have never really minded getting my hands dirty, but you should try wearing disposable rubber gloves. They don't cost that much at Wal-Mart or Harbor Freight and they may keep you, your tools, and other equipment (camera) clean.
That said, keep up the good work! And thanks again!
Mangler Malachi Thank you. Good advice.
After this great video I’m pretty confident I can do it now. Thank you
Most excellent video all around Danny. Great job appreciate the work and effort. My have to raise my vehicle this weekend and see if there's any slack in those connections. I may need to do this job as well. 2003 suburban with 243,000 miles. Thanks again appreciate it
Great video thanks for all your help and support and the detailed information you provided
Great video Danny very informative I just finished doing mine, thanks for you help also awesome camera work and audio as well
Great video. Thanks for stating the socket and wrench sizes. That matters when you have a bad back.
Pete Norton I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching. Here is more on this truck if you’re ever interested ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
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You would be a great teacher! Thanks again.
Thanks! It would be awesome to be an auto shop teacher. At least I can teach over youtube in a way. Thanks again
That’s the honest truth, make sure your truck fits in the garage because I know I’m always going to the store 😂
I just got done replacing my idler and Pittman arm. It took me twelve hours. It took me three hours to take off the idler arm from the sway bar. Your video have me the insight I needed. Thank you.
Shane Marks Great job getting it done! It’s always easier the next time, so you can be a good help to some friends someday!
Absolutely. That pittman arm was so difficult to take off that I broke my pittman arm puller, but it was made of composite metal. I had to rent one from Autozone, which was adjustable. I didn't even use the Pittman arm fork, although I did buy one from Amazon.com
Shane Marks I’ve had tools like the pinion depth that was pretty much never used lol. I guess better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it
That's the attitude.
Wow 12 what
I laughed when he said "finally" as his pitman came off, I shattered the cast aluminum on my puller after hours of trying and with it's mileage just decided on a new steering box.
You should have just cut it off
@@jeremy_238 common sense is now called rare sense
Thanks for the video bud. Just ordered my parts plus lower control arms to get started on this next week. Donation sent!
Jeremy Mohlke Thank you very much. Good luck on the install. Much appreciated 🙌🏼
If you’re changing the idler arm bracket, along with the idler arm. You don’t need to separate them. You can remove the two bolts and remove them both together.
Silas Richardson III Yes, that’s later explained. I was not doing the idler arm bracket initially, then changed my mind and bought the part
Best video on UA-cam for this!! Awesome job buddy!!
Replacing mine on my own for the 1st time.... my friend, his son and I replaced them 3 times... within 2 years... first 2 were cheap eBay sets. Then the 3 one is Moog, bumper the island as I pulled out of the parking lot 🤦🏻♂️ warranty exchanging the current set 😆
Very well explained, thanks for including the sizes.
Thank you for sharing this great information.
That garage floor is nicely done
Thanks! I’m really enjoying it. I have a few install and review views if you’re interested ua-cam.com/video/LSrIsYuAmE8/v-deo.html
Review ua-cam.com/video/AaIQlxfj6Y8/v-deo.html
Seriously? The idler arm is supposed to have some play? Figured that. I tightened that idler arm down tight. After I did that the idler arm didn't even move on the bracket. So I just ended putting on there looser so it would move side to side with the center link. Looks like you did the same thing. So I'm just going to assume I did it right. Just wanted to see somebody do it.
When doing the idler arm just take the idler arm and bracket off together. You want have to touch the sway bar
Exactly what I was thinking after he put them back on together with no sway bar interference. Since he replaced both, didn't need to separate them at all.
Danny, I'm super glad I found your video because I'm doing all 3 pieces as well and you had tips that others didn't and you made it easier. Others pulling the whole steering box off and now I know it's not necessary to do that.
Yea, this is a video that left me 100% confident I can do the project.
Michael East , i was thinking the same thing lol
Do you necessary have to lift the truck
Michael East Correct. I did not initially purchase an idler arm bracket so there was no need, but decided to show the video this way for those who may not buy the idler arm bracket. It may be easier to remove them both together either way. Whichever you prefer
Great set of videos ! All, or almost all of the videos of repairs also apply to Hummer H2. Almost exactly the same for my H2. Keep the videos coming! Subscribed !
Henry Ramos Thanks! Welcome to the channel 👍🏼
Great video, thanks man!
My original Pitman arm sat pretty close to the steering box housing. New one had a sizeable gap between box and arm which I didnt like. Wasted a bunch of time to find out its normal and most people have the same issue with replacements.
great how to video! I need to do this on mine and feel better about it now! Thanks
Great video thanks for sharing
I would like a little coverage on why you are doing this. Is there any particular problem you are trying to solve? How long have you had that truck and how many miles does it have on it to give an idea about when this should be done.
It had 195,000 miles and no real problems. I was failed on inspection and forced to change it. When asked why, the tech grinned and said “I have the same truck, have fun.” I said there was nothing wrong and he said it had a lot of miles. I went for a second opinion and was told since it was failed it had to be replaced.
good stuff! thanks Danny
thanks for watching
My man i just watched like 4 videos all got me very lost by terrible camera link and jumping around. By far one of the best walk through videos I've ever watched. Thanks for taking your time and explaining in such detail. went from not hardly understanding and wanting to say screw it and drop it off to being fully confident in being able to follow these steps to do it myself. I do have to ask how did the truck feel after doing this? I have had a lot of wiggle in my steering and trying to eliminate that. Thanks!
Thanks! I didn’t see many videos on it either. The truck honestly felt pretty similar (a shop failed me on inspection and I was forced to fix it. I don’t think it was necessarily dangerous, but it did help). I also installed inner and outer tie rods. The overall steering is tighter now, but I feel the worn steering box and teeth within will always leave the steering a bit sloppy. I’ll give you the link to the other videos I made that also includes shocks, wheel bearings, and tie rods. Good to fix those things before you pay for an alignment if you want.
Robert Helgeson ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
Great, great video, thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyued it! Here is my playlist for this truck as well if you're interested ua-cam.com/video/VXtoBSe4k4k/v-deo.html
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All GM truck have been metric for well over 20 years. That pitman arm nut is actually 32mm.
GAR 1342 I’ve seen both standard and metric depending on the part and where it was manufactured.
That's why he needed the screw driver to bang his nut out his socket .
Glad you caught the 140 lbs. torque for the wheels. Another note, why on earth does Moog even provide the straight grease zerks? Have you tried lubing these things when changing your oil? I've even tried the side approach adapter which doesn't work. I changed all three zerks (2 idler, 1 pitman) to 90 degree zerks and greasing those buggers is a breeze now.
Play in my steering is driving me insane in my 04 1500... I know for a fact most of it is in my gear box, but Im just going to do the box, the pitman and idler arms and idler bracket all at once and forget about it. Gonna cost 3-400 to do it myself but it'll be worth not wandering all over the lane.
Best Video to date.Thank you man...
Thank you 🙌🏼
Thank you best video!
Weird when I took mine off 96 c1500 I didn't have room to stick my pitman puller on I guess it was on all the way up and putting it back on I thought I needed to go all the way up im gonna leave some room taken some force to go up thanks for the vid
Very good video !
Thank you 🙏🏼
Good shit my boi
Great video..Thanks!!
Great video. Thank you
Michael Latour I’m glad you liked it. See my other videos on this truck here: ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
The 2wheel drive doesn’t have this
Thanks!
How do you stop the new pin's from spinning to tighten
Excellent video, made my instillation a breeze !
I’m glad to hear that. Great job on your repair
Is the idler arm bracket assembly only on the 4WD?
Thanks 😊 very informative 👌
I’m glad you found the video useful. Here are more videos on this truck if you’d like to see them ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
Very nice video. Thx man
Thanks for the comment. Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching
i just took out the idler arm. eiser than dropping the sway bar
I'm going to tackle that job myself fuck it thanks for the video now I know what Exactly to do :D
You got this! Good luck
Thank you this helps a lot
Going to use your video this weekend..How long did it take you to do the job? How long would it take a guy that wasn't setting up camera and doing commentary on the video?
As long as you don’t get hung up on something, it should be an hour or two since you can follow the video. This took awhile figuring it all out and which way to do things
Nice !! Appreciated !!
Louis Brule Thanks for watching
? Im not sure what's wrong with my right tire , but it seems to be rubbing on the lower control arm and I have no clue what's the problem , when I drive it it scrapping sound and when I checked it out I see that there's scrapes on the lower arm control, what could be the problem for doing so
Great video man !
Does this mess up your alignment?
Yeah, you will likely need an alignment. For that reason I also did the struts/shocks, tie rods, hubs etc so I only had to pay for the alignment once
great vid
dirtrider292 thank you. Hopefully this can help people who've never done it before.
I am having a difficult time with removing the pitman arm from the gear box. I am unable to loosen the three bolts that hold the gear box. i have sprayed these bolts with pb blaster and letting it sit over night. Any suggestions would be appreciated on how to break these 3 bolts free. i have a 1/2 inch drive breaker bar (25" length) but can't seem to get a good angle. I am thinking of getting a long 1/2 inch extension to attach to the breaker bar.
On 17:05 minutes your idler arm played a little bit is it suppose to do that?? I did all that on my truck but i tighten it more than you and the stearing wheel is hard an turns. Do you think its because i tightened it too much??
Did you not use the grease hose for the idler arm bracket? Nice video, good work it was a big help. Thanks.
I still have it. I believe it's only supposed to be used when adding grease. I didn't leave it attached.
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I had recently changed mine with AC Delco and it came with instructions, but the pictures were not legible. So, went to the internet and found this. fme-cat.com/LiveDocs/MOOG_PS_Bulletin_27027.pdf Hope it helps.
@@kevinr5187 I just searched the internet high and low for how this hose gets mounted. Thanks for posting that bulletin!
@@peteklassen5338 YOURE welcome buddy!
I changed all power steering fluid and all squeaking stoped. Bad oil
Great video I just got my idler arm from Amazon but I noticed there was a lot of Grease on the underside of the Boot and stem is that normal
They are greased, so it should be normal to see some. See if it has a grease fitting like the ones I got.
@dannyjohnsonsgarage yeah the idler arm has the grease fitting in the bag .
Anybody know if a K2500, 8600 GVW pitman can be replaced using this method (loosening sway bar, loosening steering box, ....)? I have seen videos where they pull the steering gear out with pitman arm attached which I do not want to do.
DId you go back to finish off that bolt to the idler arm to the bracket. You had play in it.Not sure you did that so you can line it back with the center link.
Yeah, there was some back and forth on getting things to line up, so the video probably didn’t show it
What was the reasons you decided to do these repairs?
The dude at grease monkey failed it for inspection just because it had high miles. I was forced to replace it all
How long did this whole repair take? Was going to do this and my tie rod ends... Just wondering how much time I should set aside...
I would give yourself an entire day in case some of the parts are stubborn (like removing the pitman/idler arm with the pickle fork). you might save some time with the techniques I show like removing te driver side tire for better access and getting a good, heavy hammer to knock it loose, and removing both the idler arm bracket as one unit, but mine gave me some trouble and it was my first time. Let me know how it goes! I also have a tie rod video ua-cam.com/video/7Ztj1O4eyPI/v-deo.html
Took me about 3 hours with a steering gear change. All drpends on how good you are with a wrench.
Just bought a chevy with 150,000 miles on it. The same parts need replaced. Great content but I'll go with the German method on my lug nuts.
I just bought a 2003 GMC Yukon-XL 4wd 5.3l with 210,420 miles and I have to do everything hahaha
Now its time for some jumps
Yep, see my bilstien shocks install 😉😂
Awesome video. Thank you x1,000!!
bizob211 Do glad you found and enjoyed the video!
bizob211 Feel free to subscribe and see my other videos you may also enjoy ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
You got to move out the hood if you can't leave the garage door open unattended for more than just a couple of minutes
Joseph Atnip no, just make it fit in the garage
You called it a sway bar a few times but I think the correct term is center link?
Yes, that’s is correct.
Why did you replace those? What issues were you having?
It is typically from loose and sloppy steering. I honestly felt it was fine but it was failed on inspection by some punk kid who smirked at me and said he just replaced his and it was a pain to do so now it was my turn.
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage ok.. i have sloppy steering and shaking on freeway
Oh Jay I would for sure look at the components to see if any are loose, and then also look into inner and outer tie rods. Lift the front wheels off the ground and shake the front wheels by hand to see if they move back and forth ua-cam.com/video/7Ztj1O4eyPI/v-deo.html
Good video
Thank you
Sway bar?
Scott Reinert
Read and watched other videos that said this job can be done without undoing the bolts on sway bar. I am going to try this because I am afraid of breaking bolts off in frame. I am also changing out the idler arm bracket so taking out as 1 unit. I have had to weld bracket on before to a sway bar because bolt was broken off on top side and I couldn’t drill out and get new bolt without taking engine out.
How many miles on ya rig before you started to notice the failure... mine is @ just over 120k and I'm gonna be under there soon to do shocks and inner/outer tie rod replacement.
James Koenig I have 200k miles on it and honestly would not have cared, but it was failed on safety inspection by some hot shot who replaced his once, so he failed me on it. I also have videos on tie rods and shocks if you’re interested
James Koenig Front shocks ua-cam.com/video/o466KbeQdFU/v-deo.html
James Koenig Rear ua-cam.com/video/hvbWfm8vXEA/v-deo.html
James Koenig Inner and outer tie rods ua-cam.com/video/7Ztj1O4eyPI/v-deo.html
I’m going to be buying all the parts and a 3” level kit for my 2500hd and take it to the shop where I only get charged $35 an hour for them to put it in.
is an alignment required after this job is completed?
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Danny - did you get alignment done?
What year is the truck you worked on? And which year models does it apply too?
Pretty sure that's a 1500. My 05 2500HD pitman arm has a 3 Grove spline.
What size harbor Freight Crescent wrench did you use? 24, 18 or 15?
Sir Sweetness 15”
Danny Johnson
Bought my 15” wrench the other day. Can metric wrenches be used or do they have to be 13/16 and 1 5/16
Sir Sweetness I have both standard and metric and I used what was the tightest fit. You might be able to use metric, but be cautious not to strip any bolts if it’s loose
Danny Johnson
Going to HF to buy the SAE sockets. :)
@14:35 a note pops up on the screen saying 13/16 on both sides, but you can clearly see the wrench size you're using is 7/8....🤣
how much did you pay for your craftmen air ratchet
$20 on black friday. Definitely need an upgrade ha ha
Very helpful your video thank you so much.
Javier Maciel la masaquata I’m glad it was helpful. Here are more videos on this truck if you’re interested w ua-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi42E1Ceb5_pBK-e7phLJxBN.html
Aren't all bolts metric?
Dave Machoukas They are metic or standard (which is why people make both sockets lol). It spends on the part on the car, where it was manufactured- but in the end, use what size fits the best
Did the arms come filled with grease?
Yes, and it also comes with the hose adapter and fitting if you want to add more or check it when installed
Yup , too common on those trucks.
Infamous 281 I'm so glad it's all done and aligned. It's so nice now and the new shocks make a huge difference too. No more bouncing
Is there grease or oil that you're supposed to check in the steering box?
Good question. I’m not sure about that
Power steering fluid
that 1 5/16 is almost certainly a metric size
Seems like it may be!
Danny Johnson it is
33.34 mm so I'm thinking 34mm
Also the 13/16... I think you mean 21mm. Great video otherwise
NICE VIDEO...I SEE A FEW COMMENTS,AND ALSO YOU KEPT SAYING..WHEN YOU WERE REMOVING THE IDLER ARE FROM the sway bar...the idler arm connects at the frame,and thru the drag link......not the sway bar.....sorry for being so anal about the correct names of the parts...lol,lol….
Do you have a ball joint and A-arm video?
Joe Haynes Only on my infiniti
Which bilstein shocks are those?...GEAUX LSU!!!
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Is this a 4wd vehicle?
Yes
Hi great stuff what size is the puller
Thaer Jasim The part number was Lisle 41900. There is also an amazon link in the video description
Are those parts pregreased?
Yes. You can see the grease coming out of the fittings
Is this for a 2001 chevy silverado 2500hd duramax?
Aaron Moniz This was performed on a 2000 1500, but should be the same process.