Hello sir thank you for your video I am putting a new roof on my old garage which I have made into my workshop as a joiner I do know about roofs but I have never used this material before so I was looking to see any one who has done this job and boy you have Answered a lot of questions and things I didn’t know about you have been a great help thank you l have watched your one year later video as well take care and thanks 👍
Thanks Simon, really do appreciate the feedback and it’s always a confidence booster to hear positive comments from someone in the trade. Glad the videos have helped you out😀👍
Great resolve to tackle this Job, as a retired Trades Person from the Pharma Industry i have seen many Production buildings , warehouses , technical buildings and Utilities coming out of the ground on Site and being cladded with same...could well be the coming thing as properly designed and detailed with the proper RAL colour it could even be used in a Habitable Buildings...on a sloping extension on the back of a property where it wasn't seen from the Street ...Glad it worked out Great Upload....
Thank you. One year on and I’m really happy with my choice. I think with the soaring cost of timber these have become a much more viable option, plus they are much simpler to install than a traditional timber roof 😀😀👍👍
I’ve spoken to a couple of companies regarding this type of roofing but they just weren’t interested. Glad you found someone who appreciates your business 👍🏻
Sorry to hear about that Dusty. I didn’t experience any hesitation from panelsell considering my order I’d imagine was small change compared to what they’re used to. In fact I couldn’t praise them highly enough in terms of their customer service. As I said in the video companies that sell this are mainly used to industry so maybe they’re happy with that and not ‘small’ orders 🤷♂️
Mate you dont have to appologise the video was spot on. I think thats a great option for doing a roof. No joists needed no faffing about with insulation or having to drag a heavy rubber membrane up onto the roof. Spot on mate & an all round great video. Wish i had done my roof different. I chose the fibreglass method & now i think that was the biggest mistake i made when building my workshop. Looking foward to the next episode.
Thanks David, just felt if folk click on this as they are thinking of going with this roofing method as well, they need to know what to do as there is virtually no instructional material. Cheers for the message 😀👍
Really appreciate the trouble you have gone too here to explain this roofing system, I am sure there are a lot of people who like myself are considering using this method. I hope companies like Panelsell and Kingspan realise there is quite a large market out there for these products to be used for garden buildings etc and with a little restyling of trims could look even better. Keep up the great work and thanks again!
Thanks Michael, be interesting to see what it looks like finished with the trim on👍. I can seriously see this as the default product to turn to for garden rooms / small workshops etc, especially considering the recent huge hike in timber prices. This is now the ‘value’ product as opposed to the ‘luxury alternative’
You can clad the underside Michael with plasterboard / timber etc if you want to. I’m not going to as it is just a functional space and don’t mind some exposed wires. Plus I quite like the finish on the underside anyway 👍😀
Super helpful thanks. I had started looking at timber/rubber costs and then saw these on another video and thought for the convenience alone that they'd be a good win, plus no maintenance. Price from my quick sums wasn't disadvantageous either.
I just have to say that this video has been absolutely priceless for me and helping me with all the questions that I have too. I've been trying to plan my workshop roof for the last couple of months and weighing up the pros and cons of all the different types of roofs - it has be a massive headache! I've gone around in circles with all the different videos and peoples opinions. Thank you very much for making it so clear!!
Brilliant to see this coming on so far. Also really good of you to make a video on this subject to genuinely help anyone who's using one of these. It looks like a really good choice.
Thanks Andy. It really is a great system and so much better for me than the traditional timber joists method. Put the flashings on on Friday and it looks really smart👍👍
I am thnking of replacing my shed and decided to build rather than buy. I came across these panels and realised that you can use these similar panel for walls. I have a concrete base from the last shed. I plan to build two courses of brickes. Then fit some king up ally channel for the panels to sit in. I saw a video where they foam glue the panels togther. Then place the roof as you have. It looks dead simple and I fancy the challenge. There are firms out there selling quite expensive summer houses, built exactly this way. At the moment I am struggling to work out what to order. You're right there is a lack of content on this online.
I’ve seen the insulated wall panels and, as you say, they look easy enough to assemble. The roof panels are fantastic, they’ve been up over two years now and the best decision I made for the workshop 👍
Hello, great video.. I hope you discovered the single handed centre punch which is spring loaded. Place the punch and push it down against the spring and it automatically bangs your punch mark. Usually brass with a chrome steel punch. Ok ready for part 2.
Thanks Ian for the message and yes I bought the single hand centre punch after it being recommended to me in the comments section here. It has certainly come in handy 👍👍
Great video Leo, good to see it's not just me that over analyses projects. Many a sleepless night making things bigger than they are. It's looking great. Automatic centre punch, cheap, easy to use one handed, just press down and it "fires" down. Good luck with the rest of your build 👍
Thanks Rob. When they arrived it sent my brain into total overdrive😳. The amount of times I said to myself ‘well if I do this, that will happen’ etc. Poor guy at panelsell had no idea what he was letting himself in for when he sold me them😂
Leo as another person who is in the process of building a workshop that also has disabilities ( Spinal! ), I'm really glad that you have put the time into doing this type of roofing system as it's going to be a great help in making me decide what to do with mine!!! I too had the same issues with disabilities as you in the early stages, from the why me to the upset then anger etc no fun whatsoever for me or anyone else around me!!! Keep up with the great work Leo looking forward to seeing part 2.
@@Hand-i-Craft Fabulous video, am now waiting for part 2. I also have spinal probs and have to work very carefully. I am just putting my SIP roof on now and have learnt a lot from your video. Thank you. I didn't understand where the drip thingy goes? Any more info? Cheers Chris.
Your timing on this is perfect for me. I took the plunge this morning ordering the same panels from somewhere else as panelsell told me I had to cut them myself. Starting the framing tomorrow and hopefully part 2 will be out in time for me doing my roof. Thank you for taking the time to put your video together because as you say there was little out there in terms of advice for a DIYer giving this system a go. Good luck with the rest of the build. Look forward to keeping watching.
Nice one, thanks Chris. I can’t get back to it until Friday now to cut the final panel and start the edging. I think the edging will take quite a bit longer than the panels tbh! It’s a great system and when you compare it to the cost of timber now it actually represents good value 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft yeah I agree, good value and a much quicker system in getting the roof on. Let’s hope they stand the test of time. Good luck with the rest of the build and look forward to your future videos in the new workshop 👍
Thanks Mark. Last panel went up on Saturday after I cut it to size. I’ve just been stood in there for about 10mins listening to the rain and was very happy 😂😂
Really good job Leo and thanks for talking it through... the 'giant monologue' was worth it :) My garden room roof took me 3 weeks to build (warm roof + EPDM). Will definitely consider this for my next project. Brilliant. Thank you. Karen
I wish I had done this on my workshop. I put big 7”x2” joists over my 7.5m x 4m workshop then I put on USB and ran out of money for EPDM. Put DPC membrane on which has lasted a good 3-4 years but is now shot. Not sure I can afford the panels now. Probably wouldn’t have cost any more at the time. Cheers very helpful and loved you on the TV prog. Andy UK
the panels are a great idea,the beauty is how fast your roof goes on with no need to stress over insulating it. lots of progress on your build since i last checked out your channel, congrats on getting your workshop up, wish i had the garden space for one that size!
Thanks Kevin. Yes really happy with how these roof panels went on. Was dreading having to build a timber roof as it would have taken forever and I’m terrible with heights! Electrics getting fitting in a couple of weeks👍👍
Really appreciate the detailed explanation, Leo. You must be rapt! It’s looking fantastic, and FINALLY all your hard work is beginning to pay dividends. So pleased for you. Can’t wait for the next instalment. All the best.👍🏼👏🏼🍻
Thanks Mandy, yes it was a fantastic day and really happy with how things went. Won’t be back to it until Friday now so looking forward to the next stage👍😀
Having watched the Restoration Couple, and now your video, I'm pretty convinced that these SIPs panels are the way to go for my garden Studio/Workshop. Shame I didn't think about using them a couple of years ago, could have done the walls as well!
Thank you and I hope the roof panels work out for you. They are so much easier to fit compared to building a roof structure, plus if you factored in your time as £ per hour, the time saved probably brings them to a similar price as an insulated timber roof 👍
I decked the roof out several years ago, with the idea of fibreglassing it, but I've seemed to have the time or money to get beyond that. It get's tarped periodically, so it's mostly weatherproof, but you can't work out there at all. good thing is I can re-use the OSB for the flooring and probably even remove some of the rafters. I will need to leave some in as I'm spanning 5m
Really well explained video and it went up so fast. The price of timber insulation and boards at the moment is crazy so hoping this is slightly cheaper. Great job and looking forward to seeing part two. 👍
Thanks Liam, thanks for the message and it really does mean a lot to get a comment like this from you👍. With this kind of system you guys could have it up and installed in half an hour! 😀👍
I cut and put the final panel up on Saturday Runza👍. Still need to install the flashings, but the roof itself is fixed down and totally water tight. It got its first proper test last night, lots of rain and strong wind and totally bone dry inside 👍👍😀😀
@@Hand-i-Craft The guys I’ve ordered it from said it’s a pain if you want an overhang to seal it. I’m not sure why as I was going to make a timber overhang for sides and back. That’s the only bit that’s concerning me at the moment
@@runzareviews4188 Mine only has a very small overhang and I’m not too worried about it tbh. The flashings drop well below the level of the timber structure. I might run a bead of silicone around the outside as a belt and braces measure
@@runzareviews4188 I’ll be back on it on Friday. I don’t give myself deadlines as a general rule as I don’t want to put pressure on myself and end up making mistakes. If you have a look at my Instagram page I tend to put small clips of the build up on there 👍👍
Cheers for the messages defected. I’m going to br using the same small fixings down the ‘hook’ of the panels when I muster enough courage to get on the roof again (terrified of heights)!
Great video m8. I used exactly the same panels when I built my workshop and think sip panels are definitely the way to go for roofs for the future. I have had mine up for around 3 years now and no problems or regrets 👍.
Great to hear feedback that like Dean and couldn’t agree more with you. I think lots of folk, roofs in particular as they can be the most difficult part in a building project, will be looking at this product thinking ‘yes that’s for me’👍👍
Great progress Leo 👍. It must feel awesome with the roof on (other than that little bit at the end). Thankfully we have had a lot of dry sunny days recently. I did see those sip panels being used in the restoration couple and Liam's oakgarden room channel. Looks the business!
I’ve been so lucky with the weather Suj. Just posted in a couple of other comments, when I first costed these it was ‘well it’s a bit more expensive than the traditional method of timbers etc but is worth the extra.’ Done a very brief costing last night and was astonished at the timber prices now, seriously does make the panels look like good value now.
Apparently bumblebees can’t flyThe weight to wing ratio and their heartbeat can’t sustain flight but no one’s told them but they still fly you’re building a building that doesn’t need To meet building regulations but as far as I can see is about 1000 times stronger than many a shed / extension roof that I’ve taken down in the past it’s amazed me that they stayed up but they did. Look at all the log cabins in the Americas no regulations there and they’ve been out for hundreds of years. You have A well researched informed and executed job ,pat yourself on the back and have a beer. Spending the hour getting the first panel correct is an absolute must ,credit to you ! love the way you check the span midway as well to make sure the wall wasn’t bowing I think you’ve done an absolute top job. I’ll be interesting when you do the costings for materials and the labour, but you have to quantify the labour whether it’s your own labour or if you cost a tradesmen to do it say on an hourly rate it would be interesting ! Top job
Thanks Dougie, never really thought of the labour figure tbh, but will definitely do a costings of it all once it’s finished. I’d imagine if I was starting it now it would be at least 30% more expensive than when I bought most of the timber last year. I did a very brief bit of research last night against costing a traditional timber roof against the panels I bought and was like 😳😳😳 at the prices now. Made the panels I bought look like great value as opposed to justifying the extra cost of the panels over the timber a short while back🤷♂️
Great video and very useful. The only thing I can't get my head around with these panels is how you would install spot lights and associated wiring as the sandwich board is sealed. Any pointers would be very handy. Can't wait to watch the rest of your vids now, very inspirational.
Thanks for the comment😀. I had led panel lights installed which for a workshop are fantastic, but if you’re after something more aesthetic like down lights for a garden room / office you can have these panels fitted with battens and then plasterboard. This will give you a gap for cabling etc, but it will mean you will lose a little ceiling height. Hope this is of some help, Leo 😀👍
Well done, Leo! Looks a damn sight easier than faffing around with a warm roof and EDPM. I'm sure you can get spring loaded centre punches that are useable one-handed...
Thanks Alasdair and yes this is such an easier and quicker option than the traditional method. And yes I ordered the spring punch thing this afternoon 👍👍
Great stuff Leo 👍, I also watched the restoration couple when he used this roofing. So I went to the suppliers website and thought for what your getting the prices were quite reasonable and I'm tight 🙂. Can't wait to see part 2. All the best David 👍
Thanks David. When I costed these up I based the comparison in price on when I roughly costed a ‘traditional’ roof structure about 12 months ago. I briefly revisited those costings today for the traditional timber construction and I couldn’t believe my eyes. What I thought with the SIP panels was a ‘I’m paying a bit more but the ease of construction is worth the extra’ is now ‘actually the SIP panels represent good value’. Cost of timber has gone crazy pal🤷♂️
I love the video how you explained everything and how you show as much of the process as possible, really. You see every bit of work put into it. 👍🏼 Also, thank you for letting me help you with it, hope I wasn’t in the way too much and i didnt ask too many questions. 😅😅
I bought a spring loaded centre punch from Amazon recently for about £3.50 works very well just push down and the spring loaded centre ‘fires’. Look forward to the completion of the roof.
Thanks Mate. Really good video, and really appreciate the time and effort you put in to help others understand. I'm wondering about the amount of screws you have to use, and how they could be a possible future water ingression. How are they sealed? And could they be improved? Also if you were attempting this on NOT a stand alone structure ie a Lean To, whether some sort of inverted flashings are available for the connection with a wall? help would be appreciated because Im really tempted to try this on a freezing brick built, plastic roof conservatory
Hello Steve, cheers for the message👍. The screws are great, they have a rubber / sponge type washer under the head so when you twist in the last turn or 2 it forms a seal👍👍. And yes you can get the types of flashings you mention, have a look on Panelsell website and it has a virtual mock up for different requirements 😀👍
Just watched this which all good but I'm pretty sure part 2 is going to be the video/info I've been trying to find for a long time and is a nightmare to find! 🙌🤞 great work!
Cheers for the message, the reason why I chose to make this bit a two part video is I was also looking for a flashings installation video and couldn’t find much detail. Glad it has been of some help to you 😀👍
Another great video Leo. Thanks for explaining your thoughts and the build questions you asked Panelsell. I also watched Tim on The Restoration Couple put this roof on and it definitely looks like the way to go. You answered a lot if my questions too. Its looking good mate. Can't wait for part 2.
Thanks Gaz, had quite a few folk get in touch about these panels so it appears there is quite a bit of interest in these as an alternative to the ‘traditional’ method. Especially since the price of timber has made these a value for money alternative 👍
Hi mate love watching your UA-cam vids . You mentioned if anyone could help you out by letting you know how to hole punch with one hand . Well the way to do it is by using an automatic hole punch which you can buy anywhere now it's used just with one hand basically a spring loaded punch . Hope this helps .many thanks mik
Texan here trying to convert metric to feet…I'm doin something very like this as a retro to a porch. May be a problem for you the other way, but it will be about 12W'x14'L and doing SIPS walls. I hadn't even a clue they would offer a roof in the package. It's Thanksgiving and they won't be getting back to me but thought I'd try here first for the long weekend. They mentioned a "garden room" kit…which may work even better…but alas won't know til later. I don't see any roof supports in the middle of yours..do you think I can span 12' x 14' without any support below the ceiling (roof)? Mine needs to tie into an existing gable roof creating a shed roof type slope for us. I wondered if they tapered any of the roof panels to make a smooth transition. I thought I heard you mention something like that. Anyway..thank you so much for the videos!! I'm really excited to get started and thank you for goin first!:)
Thanks for the message and greetings from Liverpool, England. My panels are unsupported and have a span of approximately 12ft. I checked with the manufacturer and they said it would be fine. From what I can remember there were three thicknesses of panel, mine was the middle one, 80mm thick which is approximately 3 inches thick at its narrowest point. In regards to the panels attaching to an existing building, the company I used had a design template on their website and part of it was if they were attached to a building so I’m sure it wouldn’t be an issue. They also had bespoke flashings for attachments like that. Good luck with whatever you choose and hope it works out well for you 👍👍
You can buy automatic, spring loaded punch, I don't have them myself, but seen them on you tube. Thinking you could build a jig, block of wood with holes drilled to the diameter of the punch then activate the spring. Another great video. Look forward to seeing the costs.
Just one remark if I may. I see you screwed the roofpanels with the screws on the lower parts of the sandwhich panel. I have learned to put the screws in the higher (ridge) part of the panel because there is less water flowing there.
Can you join them end to end? I need to replace my double garage roof, (just bare metal at the moment and condensation is a nightmare in the winter) would love to use SIP , but front to back its about 10 meters.
My answer to that Jonathan is I ‘think’ you can as they are used in large warehouses etc, but I don’t know for sure and how it’s done. Best to contact Panelsell and check 👍👍
Hi Leo that roof looks awesome and the whole workshop is coming along nicely. With regards to the centre punch you can buy a spring loaded automatic centre punch for not much money there brilliant for all kinds of marking as you can adjust the pressure
Blooming hec that's looking good Leo. That roofing is a thing of beauty. Genius idea. Very interested in price comparison. Filming was brilliant mate. Def didn't need more. Did you catch the sun a tad?? 🤣🤣🤣. Auto Centre punch as mentioned, are superb. See you've ordered one bud.
Thanks Barry. Done a little price comparison now against recent timber price rises and I was literally astonished how expensive the timbers are now 😳😳. Auto centre arrived today👍😀
Stumbled upon this as I’m planning a 7.5m x 3m workshop type thing. Looking at these roof panels also as they bypass a lot of the faffing it seems. Anyhoo quick question - how did you square off the first one so that it ran properly square along the building after that? Many thanks
Cheers for the message. Good question and it’s really important that first one sits completely square so the others will line up correctly. From memory my main tool for that was the humble adjustable combination square. I set it to the overhang distance I wanted front and back and also along the side and referenced off the wall panels. Took a little while as it isn’t the easiest making small adjustments to a panel that big but got there eventually. Once I was happy we fixed that in place with just a coupe if fixings (so it wouldn’t move), checked it again and then started with the second panel 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft appreciate the response and well done on your build even if it took me 2 years to find it 😂. It’s interesting watching how you manage the one arm issue. I find myself working alone generally and I get frustrated when it gets to two person jobs and it’s just me, so clearly I need to give myself a shake. I try and do things myself as I like to learn how things work but also being working class, find it really hard to pay for labour if I feel it’s within my skill set ( or just tight 😂). Keep up the good work, and nice to see stuff from a normal bloke where videos aren’t full of promotional stuff where they’re using high end tools they’ve been given in exchange for a plug 👍
Hi, watched you shed build a couple of times now, I’am just building mine and seen your roof idea which is very nice. Contacted panelsell but never got back to me🙄. But I’ve found a couple more supply’s. But they are saying I need a purlin/beam. My is 3100 deep, I did notice you have got any purlin or beam ? Were did you get your calculation from ? Have you had any issues with it sagging/bowing. Cheers Ian
Morning Ian, thanks for your comment and I’ll try my best to answer your questions. Sorry to hear panelsell haven’t got back to you, when I dealt with them I think I might have been one of the first members of the public to buy from them as virtually all of their business is to industry. Fortunately for me and ‘unfortunately’ for them I bombarded them with questions which they very kindly answered, hence me passing on my knowledge and experience through these videos. I was sure I’d have to install some kind of support beam in the workshop to take the weight / stop sagging etc. The unsupported span of my workshop is just over 3.5m. I contacted panelsell who had a span chart looking at structural support etc. My panels are the 80mm at the narrow part of the panel (think the trapezoid bit is around 110mm) and panelsell told me that at 3.5m and 6 degrees of pitch the roof would take a load of 100kg per square metre without any additional support. I don’t know if your structure needs to meet building regs, but mine is permitted development so I took that data as fine for me and fitted them unsupported. I will say this, they are rock solid. I’ve been up on the roof to fit the additional fixings and no wobble / sagging / movement at all. They’ve been up for over a year now and no sign of any sagging. We’ve also had a few storms as bad as it will ever get here (90mph plus winds) and no issues at all. I can’t comment for other manufacturers but I guess they will all be the same. I could retrospectively install some support beams if needed, but can’t see that happening. One thing I haven’t done is fix plasterboard on the underside as I like the metal finish it has and the electrician could install the lighting directly on to it. Hope this is of some help and get back to me if you have any more questions 😀👍
Cheers for the message Scott, it has consistently been one of my best performers, the follow up one I did 12 months on has really caught on too in the last few months 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft I think this was one of the first I watched of yours. It’s great seeing them pop back up. It just shows how great your videos are. Did you have a good Christmas and New Year?
Thanks David, seems to have quite a bit of interest at the moment, possibly due to the huge price hikes in timber which makes this seem more of a realistic proposition 👍
Coming along well you can get an automatic centre punch you just press it down and it makes the indent force can be adjusted but by a good quality branded one i have tried the cheap ones and they stop working i have had a eclipse one for a couple of years now with no issue's i think it was about £10 on ebay. 👍
Hi Leo. Thank you for all your work on these videos. They're fantastic. As you've had them for over a year now, have you found any issues with condenstion on the underside of the roof panels?
Cheers Matthew, (touch wood) I’ve had no issues at all with condensation. The workshop is ventilated by the vents around the windows and door, plus I do have a small space for ventilation at the top of the drawbridge. I’m so glad I went with these, get your first panel right and the rest are easy to install👍
Hi Leo, thank you for the very comprehensive break downs of your projects. Something that came to mind was, would you have preferred to do the walls in the same way now that you have completed your roof?
Hello Nelson, that’s probably the best question I’ve ever been asked about the workshop! I think for the majority of folk with the way timber prices are now then yes the insulated wall panels would probably be the best way forward. For me personally I was interested in the challenge of ‘could I build a workshop on my own with only one functioning arm?’ I acknowledged it was going to be a mammoth task and I’d encounter lots of unique challenges along the way, but could it be done? With the exception of help with the roof panels and fitting the front cladding the answer was yes and I’m very proud of that. The bigger question is would I do it now? Reality is I wouldn’t be able to afford it as timber costs have at least doubled and sheet goods have trebled since I built this.
Hi mate abit late to the party but im going to do a roof with these panels but panelsell want crazy money. I'm going to go with colour clad but they only do 90 degree barge flashings, do you think these will still do the job all the way around the perimeter. The roof will over hang by over 100mm
Hello Joe, cheers for the message. I’m just thinking about the 90 degree flashings and I can’t see a reason as to why it won’t work for you. The front flashing would mean it’s angled upwards instead of in line with the front of the building so I’m thinking would the rain run off onto the front of your workshop, but with the overhang you said I think you’ll be fine. Same with the back so sorting the guttering might be an issue as the run off will be really tight to your back wall, but again I’m sure there should be a work around. Now thinking a little more the one problem you will have is this: On my setup I have a flashing that fits on top of my back wall that the panels then rest on then the top flashing rests on that. This creates a space for the water to run off into the guttering. It is difficult to explain in words but I think I did a diagram on my 12 month panel update video which makes a lot more sense. If that bottom flashing has a 90 degree angle then it won’t rest on top of your rear wall as the angle will be too steep. Does this make sense? You could always email me at 75handicraft@gmail.com and I could try to put it in diagram form to help. Apart from that I think you will be ok, but you will definitely have to think about what I’ve just said above 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft sorry for late reply! Appreciate your advice, i decided to go with them panels and flashings as i only have a 4 degree pitch and large over hang so 90 flashings wont look like they are sitting weird from the front also i doubt i need the drip flashing on rear as i have around 200mm over hang to play with. P.s i like the idea behind putting spacers on the top plate to give it a angle. Top work
I’m about to do a similar roof with 100mm sheets. I’m unsure about if I need to put any mastic or silicone on the join where the roof hooks over. Do you think this is necessary to seal the two like a sandwich?
Thanks Mark for the message. The timber I mounted the roof onto was angles so the joint between the two was really tight. As a belt and braces measure I ran a bead of silicone between the outside joints and inside. Not really needed but certainly done no harm doing it 👍
I didn’t Paul, the reason being was the width of my workshop against the width of the panel. The panels I bought were 7.5m cut in half. This only gave me a 4cm overhang at the front and the back. I didn’t want to compromise the structural integrity of the panel (as they have 3.67m unsupported span) so they don’t have any cutback. Doesn’t appear to be an issue tbh👍👍
Hi there i have just built a concret block building with these insulated roof panels can I ask if you are having any condensation problems I seam to be getting alot of condensation
Hello Scott, cheers for the message. The short answer is no, I’ve had no issues with condensation. I’m not sure as to why, I do have ventilation via the window and door vents, plus there is a small ventilation gap at the drawbridge. Also I’m wondering whether the osb plays a part in moisture content in the room? I’m really unsure and am looking to do my homework on it just in case I’m creating a problem for further down the line. Sorry I can’t help any more than that. Best wishes, Leo 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft thanks for your reply I going to put some vents in to increase ventilation as I only have patio doors at the moment an they are shut more then they are open so him hopping this could be a major cause of the condensation thans once again and you did a great job with your build
Very helpful video. You are 100% correct you will not find Sandwich Panels, (not SIP) described in any DIY book. This Insulated panel is very new to DIY people and is a product that has been overlooked for some time. They will for sure save you time on your roof build. They are very strong and cover wide spans. The Insulated Panel Store, who are online, can help with the supply of this product as well as offer you help. They are very easy to fit and will not take long.
Thanks JG, that’s why I decided to go into quite a bit of detail in the two videos I done about them. Everything I said in these were questions I’d been asking panelsell so I thought they would be relevant to people who are thinking of going down this route 😀👍
Many thanks mate. After watching your video I ordered KingsPan roof instead of usual OSB, rubber roof, etc and similar to your I was struggling to understand how they fit together. Is the rain water going to a soak away?
Thanks for the message. I did a follow up video about the flashings then another about the guttering that will hopefully answer your rain water question 😀😀👍👍
Thank you for the video ...Looks great ... I am thinking about using this type of roof for a long time on a renovation project. How is it for sound proofing? Can you hear the rain ? Not that that's necessarily a bad thing !!
Cheers MJ. Yes you can hear the rain, but tbh I find it kind of therapeutic 😀. In terms of sound leaving the garden room, they do provide very good sound proofing. I recently sent a couple of clips to a subscriber who asked about noise levels. I switched on all my noisiest machines and stood outside to film the noise levels and he couldn’t believe how quiet it was 😀👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Thanks so much for your quick and helpful response. I know what you mean, the sound of the rain can be very soothing. Does the 80 mm provide enough insulation to keep the heat in? Thinking of using something like this on large 10x12 metre old workshop warehouse - that I want to make livable. It just has old farm type corrugated iron roof at the moment with wooden beams underneath and the sound of rain is very nice but can get quite loud on the current roof. Wondering if it will be warm enough. Thanks very much for your information it is appreciated. 😊
@@mkay0077 That is quite a big space! I suppose it all boils down to budget and if you could stretch to the thicker stuff then it would offer a greater degree of insulation. The rain noise under these is nothing like corrugated stuff, it is a ‘duller’ type sound and only gets quite loud when it really hammers it down, but like a conservatory I’d imagine 🤷♂️. The panels I have offer great insulation along with what I done in the walls, the key for me knowing it works well is it retains the heat in the room very well. I’ll put a heater on when I go in for a short while and when I turn it off the room stays warm 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft it is a big space !! I will divide it up a little bit but want to keep it large and open with as much high ceiling as possible. We shall see, this type of roofing appeals because of the ease of installation and can potentially cut out underside ceiling costs also. Thank you I will take that all on board, 😊
Hi leo, not sure if you received an answer but have you tried a "spring loaded" or "automatic" centre punch, no hammer required. They are widely available including Amazon. Great video btw, thanks for sharing.
@@Hand-i-Craft 😂😂😔 i realised when i watched part 2, typical me... Engage mouth before brain. Another couple of great vids though, think i will do the same with my garage roof and the shed roof when build it, really helps out with the 2.5m height nonsense when you want it insulated. Thanks again Leo.
Hi again . I’ve looked again at previous posts and answers to this query on the front drainage. You explain how there’s a gap with different deflector flashing and that fitting is shown in part one but appears not to be there?
Hello Janice, there is also a shorts video that gives you a close up of the two flashings on the back. In essence on the back where the water runs off there are two flashings. The first is fitted on top of your wall structure before the roof panel is fitted. The roof panel then sits on top of the first flashing and is fixed in place. Finally the top flashing goes on top of the insulated roof panel. A small gap is then formed between the bottom flashing and the top which the water runs though into whatever guttering you decide to install. The rainwater does run down the back of the panel and could benefit maybe from a coat of some form of sealant or watered down PVA, but the panel won’t degrade. For example, these panels are stored outside and not undercover. I’ve also got a video about installing guttering which might help. If you still need some help then just get email me and I’ll send you some pics of how the finished panels / flashings look👍
Re the centre punch. Could you not make a ply/ mdf jig that holds/ locates the punch where needed so you can just place it on the roof panel to smack it with a hammer?
Thanks carlb, didn’t know there were automatic centre punches you can click with one hand🤷♂️ so I’ve just ordered one of those and see if that works👍👍
They make an automatic centre punch. You just push with one hand and it pops the pin with a spring system. Might help you out. Sorry if you know this or someone else has mentioned it already. Great video BTW.
Another quick question, I have mine coming from Colour Clad (regret that now), but they seem very similar. Can you screw items into the under side on the panel, i.e. track lights or other fittings? And would they be stable do you think?
Hello Mark, the electrician fixed the lighting panels directly to the metal underside. The only thing he asked me to go and get were self tapping screws. At some point I’m going to make a ‘booth’ like Keith Brown did to keep dust down when flattening slabs, but I’m going to use curtain rails. Think what I’ll do then is fix a timber batten to the ceiling and attach the rail to that 👍
Hi. I'm probably going to install these on my sectional concrete garage. With regards to the light. Does the wiring run on the underside of the roof panel. Ie the steel finish visible when you look up?
Excellent explanation , I am building my own garden room at the moment and thinking about these panels . That was what i wanted to know about the trims . What if you cut them in half and join them in the middle of the roof how do you make it watertight is there a trim that covers the middle section or do you have to ask them to make it . Thank you subscribed
Cheers makolic for the message 👍. Yes the trims are all specifically made to your build and it takes 2-3 weeks for panelsell to do this so you need to factor that in to your ordering / timing of the build. If you look on their website I think there is a diagram of the different types of edgings and you can figure it out from that or give them a call. Mine was pretty straightforward as it is a single pitch roof but they cover all weird and wonderful angles! Good luck with your build project 👍👍😀
There should be no need to drill the sheets the screws should self drill the sheets and have a stitch thread under the seal washer to pull the outer sheet and washer together tight to avoid ponding around the fixing ,If the screws didn't have this course thread under the head then they have provided you with the wrong screws also there better with a colour coded moulded head rather than lose caps ,The first panel needs laying down where you want it and put a main fixing in the bottom corner then put the second sheet on level with the first and put a stitch top and bottom to hold them together or even do three like this and then square all 3 together pivoting on the single screw in the first sheet will give you a better idea where your heading and save a load of time
Hi, I have a centre punch that is like a ball point pen, you put the tip where you want it to punch and then just click the top and it punches the wood or metal, unfortunately there is no name on it (it has worn off) and my memory is not the best so I cannot remember where I got it from, possibly Amazon UK as that is where I get most of my tools.
Don't know if you're aware (you may well be) but panelsell are actually quoting your videos in their emails - probably only when they know they're dealing with DIY type customers. Should be on comission! Unless they gave you a healthy discount at the time you ordered. Great vids btw.
Cheers pal, I did say to them a while back if they wanted to post a link to my videos then they could as I literally bombarded them with questions during the order process. At the time I think they mainly dealt with industry so weren’t used to folk like me with all kinds of DIY type questions. No commission or discount unfortunately, but glad the videos might be of some help to people 😀
@@Hand-i-Craft if it’s any conciliation you did it at the right time, think your panel price was less than £30m2, it’s now 40.. plus VAT, just for the panels!
@@thepeginator2556 😳😳Wow. I have done a follow up video where I show the full costings I paid against pricing for a traditional timber roof. That video will be almost a year old so prices will no doubt have fluctuated since
@@Hand-i-Craft Might have found some going cheap, but I'll need to cut them to transport. did you use a specific blade? Or just the regular TCT wood blade?
Cheers for the message. I bought them from a company called Panelsell, I done a follow up video of the costings, but please be mindful prices have increased significantly since then. ua-cam.com/video/5S4FnMZDLUo/v-deo.html
Cheers for the message. I bought them from a company called Panelsell, I done a follow up video of the costings, but please be mindful prices have increased significantly since then. ua-cam.com/video/5S4FnMZDLUo/v-deo.html
What was the weight of your panels? I have 5 metre panels here and there is no way in hell three people could lift them up like that. Have I ordered the wrong ones?
The panels were cut at around 3.7m I think pal and I’d say they weighed around 80kg each. Doable for two people but we luckily had three on the day. I’m only guessing here but mine are the 80mm thick panels (at the narrowest part), are yours the 100mm panels?
@@Hand-i-Craft Where did you get yours from ? im going to get another 5 m one , a transparent one and cut it in half so ill have a bigger shed and more light yea
Great and informative. Thanks! I spoke to panelsell (London office) today and they were super unhelpful. In fact I felt fobbed off! Did you call that office or a different one? Its a shame because i wanted to buy their product as i've heard good things about it.
Sorry to hear this Caterina, not great on their part. No I didn’t deal with the London office as I’m up in the north west. I dealt with a guy called Philip in the Liverpool office, Aussie bloke who was really helpful. Talked me through all the answer a diy guy would ask and I couldn’t ask for any better. Maybe get in touch with the north west office and say you’re not happy with the service of the London folk🤷♂️
Hi Leo, Thanks for all the useful video's! I am working on my own garden build and inspired by your build I am going for insulated panels. I know you used Panel sell, did you look at Kingspan panels? I am not sure the Kingspan have as a good a water run off system on their flashings? Have you found any rain getting from panels? thanks Simon
Cheers Simon for the message. Touch wood up to now, not a drop of water ingress from any aspect of the roof / flashings etc and it has had some pretty heavy storms at times as well. Very happy with them and the guy I dealt with at Panelsell was very helpful as well 👍👍
One other thing Leo! I am having the same thoughts you had about the top plate being flat, on the front and back walls, and the stiff roof panel being on an angle. I am thinking of ripping 4 x 2 on 4 degree angle and making a sort of angled crown plate for the front and back walls. What do you reckon?
@@FatManBuilds Worked really well for me pal as it meant the roof panel sat flush to the modular walls (at an angle of 6 degrees in my case) which eliminated the risk of the roof panels being twisted out of shape when fixed and less chance of water getting in👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft I got my angled crown plate on today Leo, at 4 degrees, it worked out really well in the end, or at least it looks like it will work! I will only know when the panels arrive! I posted a video on the crown plate today if you are interested. Hopefully it works as well as yours!
Hi mate. Firstly well done, great job. Your video has come at the perfect time for me as I have also been watching every video known to man about warm, cold and hybrid roofs and it’s been doing my head in! I also decided the roof panels were the way to go. Quick question if you don’t mind, what was the height of your front and back wall and what angle did you have for your rake walls? My garden room is also 3.5m wide. I have read online the roof panels have to be at a minimum angle of 4 degrees. Thanks for your time.
Cheers Alright pal, cheers for the message. Because my garden room is over 2 metres away from next doors boundary I can go up to 3m in height so my front wall uses a full osb board (8ft) and the back boards are cut to 7ft. This gave me an angle of 6 degrees. Hope that is of some help👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft thanks. I am limited to the 2.5m unfortunately but the panels should still give me more head room. Might risk going just below 4 degrees so the back wall isn’t too low. If I go 2.2m front and 2m back it gives me just over 3 degrees. I’ve spent more time watching videos on roofs than any man should 😂. Really impressed with your work, keep it up 👍
Thanks Andy, I didn’t realise sip panels had to be osb lined, just thought it was a generic term for the type of design. I’ve changed the title to ‘insulated’ roof panels and hopefully folk will look at the pic and get the idea. Cheers for the comment 👍👍
Hello sir thank you for your video I am putting a new roof on my old garage which I have made into my workshop as a joiner I do know about roofs but I have never used this material before so I was looking to see any one who has done this job and boy you have Answered a lot of questions and things I didn’t know about you have been a great help thank you l have watched your one year later video as well take care and thanks 👍
Thanks Simon, really do appreciate the feedback and it’s always a confidence booster to hear positive comments from someone in the trade. Glad the videos have helped you out😀👍
Great resolve to tackle this Job, as a retired Trades Person from the Pharma Industry i have seen many Production buildings , warehouses , technical buildings and Utilities coming out of the ground on Site and being cladded with same...could well be the coming thing as properly designed and detailed with the proper RAL colour it could even be used in a Habitable Buildings...on a sloping extension on the back of a property where it wasn't seen from the Street ...Glad it worked out Great Upload....
Thank you. One year on and I’m really happy with my choice. I think with the soaring cost of timber these have become a much more viable option, plus they are much simpler to install than a traditional timber roof 😀😀👍👍
I’ve spoken to a couple of companies regarding this type of roofing but they just weren’t interested. Glad you found someone who appreciates your business 👍🏻
Sorry to hear about that Dusty. I didn’t experience any hesitation from panelsell considering my order I’d imagine was small change compared to what they’re used to. In fact I couldn’t praise them highly enough in terms of their customer service. As I said in the video companies that sell this are mainly used to industry so maybe they’re happy with that and not ‘small’ orders 🤷♂️
Mate you dont have to appologise the video was spot on. I think thats a great option for doing a roof. No joists needed no faffing about with insulation or having to drag a heavy rubber membrane up onto the roof. Spot on mate & an all round great video.
Wish i had done my roof different. I chose the fibreglass method & now i think that was the biggest mistake i made when building my workshop. Looking foward to the next episode.
Thanks David, just felt if folk click on this as they are thinking of going with this roofing method as well, they need to know what to do as there is virtually no instructional material. Cheers for the message 😀👍
Really appreciate the trouble you have gone too here to explain this roofing system, I am sure there are a lot of people who like myself are considering using this method. I hope companies like Panelsell and Kingspan realise there is quite a large market out there for these products to be used for garden buildings etc and with a little restyling of trims could look even better. Keep up the great work and thanks again!
Thanks Michael, be interesting to see what it looks like finished with the trim on👍. I can seriously see this as the default product to turn to for garden rooms / small workshops etc, especially considering the recent huge hike in timber prices. This is now the ‘value’ product as opposed to the ‘luxury alternative’
@@Hand-i-Craft The only slight drawback I can see is ceiling lighting would be a bit awkward to hide.
You can clad the underside Michael with plasterboard / timber etc if you want to. I’m not going to as it is just a functional space and don’t mind some exposed wires. Plus I quite like the finish on the underside anyway 👍😀
Super helpful thanks. I had started looking at timber/rubber costs and then saw these on another video and thought for the convenience alone that they'd be a good win, plus no maintenance. Price from my quick sums wasn't disadvantageous either.
Good to hear and good luck with your build 👍
I just have to say that this video has been absolutely priceless for me and helping me with all the questions that I have too. I've been trying to plan my workshop roof for the last couple of months and weighing up the pros and cons of all the different types of roofs - it has be a massive headache! I've gone around in circles with all the different videos and peoples opinions. Thank you very much for making it so clear!!
Thank you Ian for your really kind comments. Glad it has been of some help to you👍👍😀
Brilliant to see this coming on so far. Also really good of you to make a video on this subject to genuinely help anyone who's using one of these. It looks like a really good choice.
Thanks Andy. It really is a great system and so much better for me than the traditional timber joists method. Put the flashings on on Friday and it looks really smart👍👍
I am thnking of replacing my shed and decided to build rather than buy. I came across these panels and realised that you can use these similar panel for walls. I have a concrete base from the last shed. I plan to build two courses of brickes. Then fit some king up ally channel for the panels to sit in. I saw a video where they foam glue the panels togther. Then place the roof as you have. It looks dead simple and I fancy the challenge. There are firms out there selling quite expensive summer houses, built exactly this way. At the moment I am struggling to work out what to order. You're right there is a lack of content on this online.
I’ve seen the insulated wall panels and, as you say, they look easy enough to assemble. The roof panels are fantastic, they’ve been up over two years now and the best decision I made for the workshop 👍
Hello, great video.. I hope you discovered the single handed centre punch which is spring loaded. Place the punch and push it down against the spring and it automatically bangs your punch mark. Usually brass with a chrome steel punch. Ok ready for part 2.
Thanks Ian for the message and yes I bought the single hand centre punch after it being recommended to me in the comments section here. It has certainly come in handy 👍👍
Great video Leo, good to see it's not just me that over analyses projects.
Many a sleepless night making things bigger than they are.
It's looking great.
Automatic centre punch, cheap, easy to use one handed, just press down and it "fires" down.
Good luck with the rest of your build 👍
Thanks Rob. When they arrived it sent my brain into total overdrive😳. The amount of times I said to myself ‘well if I do this, that will happen’ etc. Poor guy at panelsell had no idea what he was letting himself in for when he sold me them😂
Leo as another person who is in the process of building a workshop that also has disabilities ( Spinal! ), I'm really glad that you have put the time into doing this type of roofing system as it's going to be a great help in making me decide what to do with mine!!!
I too had the same issues with disabilities as you in the early stages, from the why me to the upset then anger etc no fun whatsoever for me or anyone else around me!!!
Keep up with the great work Leo looking forward to seeing part 2.
Thanks Simon, really appreciate the comments👍👍. Also glad the video might help you in your decision making 😀👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Fabulous video, am now waiting for part 2. I also have spinal probs and have to work very carefully. I am just putting my SIP roof on now and have learnt a lot from your video. Thank you.
I didn't understand where the drip thingy goes? Any more info? Cheers Chris.
@@chrishart1948 Thanks Chris. My email address is in the description, if you get in touch I’ll send you some pics of my understanding of it👍
Your timing on this is perfect for me. I took the plunge this morning ordering the same panels from somewhere else as panelsell told me I had to cut them myself. Starting the framing tomorrow and hopefully part 2 will be out in time for me doing my roof. Thank you for taking the time to put your video together because as you say there was little out there in terms of advice for a DIYer giving this system a go. Good luck with the rest of the build. Look forward to keeping watching.
Nice one, thanks Chris. I can’t get back to it until Friday now to cut the final panel and start the edging. I think the edging will take quite a bit longer than the panels tbh! It’s a great system and when you compare it to the cost of timber now it actually represents good value 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft yeah I agree, good value and a much quicker system in getting the roof on. Let’s hope they stand the test of time. Good luck with the rest of the build and look forward to your future videos in the new workshop 👍
Coming on great. Fascinating series. Great work and well explained. Thank you.
Thanks Mark. Last panel went up on Saturday after I cut it to size. I’ve just been stood in there for about 10mins listening to the rain and was very happy 😂😂
@@Hand-i-Craft great stuff 😁
Really good job Leo and thanks for talking it through... the 'giant monologue' was worth it :) My garden room roof took me 3 weeks to build (warm roof + EPDM). Will definitely consider this for my next project. Brilliant. Thank you. Karen
Thanks Karen, very impressed with this system. Was a little apprehensive about buying it but so glad I did in the end 👍😀
I wish I had done this on my workshop. I put big 7”x2” joists over my 7.5m x 4m workshop then I put on USB and ran out of money for EPDM. Put DPC membrane on which has lasted a good 3-4 years but is now shot. Not sure I can afford the panels now. Probably wouldn’t have cost any more at the time. Cheers very helpful and loved you on the TV prog. Andy UK
Thanks Andy and cheers for your kind comments. I hope you find a roof solution that fits your budget👍👍
the panels are a great idea,the beauty is how fast your roof goes on with no need to stress over insulating it. lots of progress on your build since i last checked out your channel, congrats on getting your workshop up, wish i had the garden space for one that size!
Thanks Kevin. Yes really happy with how these roof panels went on. Was dreading having to build a timber roof as it would have taken forever and I’m terrible with heights! Electrics getting fitting in a couple of weeks👍👍
your video is excellent chap! lots of learnings
Thank you, very kind of you 😀😀👍👍
Really appreciate the detailed explanation, Leo. You must be rapt! It’s looking fantastic, and FINALLY all your hard work is beginning to pay dividends. So pleased for you. Can’t wait for the next instalment. All the best.👍🏼👏🏼🍻
Thanks Mandy, yes it was a fantastic day and really happy with how things went. Won’t be back to it until Friday now so looking forward to the next stage👍😀
Having watched the Restoration Couple, and now your video, I'm pretty convinced that these SIPs panels are the way to go for my garden Studio/Workshop. Shame I didn't think about using them a couple of years ago, could have done the walls as well!
Thank you and I hope the roof panels work out for you. They are so much easier to fit compared to building a roof structure, plus if you factored in your time as £ per hour, the time saved probably brings them to a similar price as an insulated timber roof 👍
I decked the roof out several years ago, with the idea of fibreglassing it, but I've seemed to have the time or money to get beyond that. It get's tarped periodically, so it's mostly weatherproof, but you can't work out there at all. good thing is I can re-use the OSB for the flooring and probably even remove some of the rafters. I will need to leave some in as I'm spanning 5m
There are hand powered automatic centre punch available from engineering supplier’s
Thanks for the tip, managed to sort myself one after filming this video and it comes in really handy 👍👍
Really well explained video and it went up so fast. The price of timber insulation and boards at the moment is crazy so hoping this is slightly cheaper. Great job and looking forward to seeing part two. 👍
Thanks Steve, the timber cost situation at the moment is crazy😳. Thanks for the video feedback, much appreciated 😀😀👍
Your doing a cracking job mate keep the video's coming, can't wait to see the finished product
Getting there QWERTY and with most of the roof on now it really feels like it’s starting to come together 👍😀
You did well and very well explained.
Thanks Jake. Really happy with how they went up. Roof is finished now, part two is on my channel where I install the flashings etc 👍👍
Great job Leo. Looks like you caught a bit of sun during the install mate.
Certainly did Dave. Doesn’t take a lot of sun for me to turn into a warning beacon 😂
Great video Leo & very well explained 👍. The roof looks good and was a far quicker installation, looking forward to part 2.
Thanks Idler, great day to see it go up so efficiently👍👍👍. Loads more to do on it, but I can largely get on with that on my own 😀👍
Hi Leo, kudos to you mate, love the video, ours is still waiting on approval 👌
Thanks Liam, thanks for the message and it really does mean a lot to get a comment like this from you👍. With this kind of system you guys could have it up and installed in half an hour! 😀👍
@@Hand-i-Craft only issue we have is persuading the customer 🙈 keep up the videos 💪🏻👊🏼👌
Ordered mine today and everything you are feeling I am feeling
I cut and put the final panel up on Saturday Runza👍. Still need to install the flashings, but the roof itself is fixed down and totally water tight. It got its first proper test last night, lots of rain and strong wind and totally bone dry inside 👍👍😀😀
@@Hand-i-Craft The guys I’ve ordered it from said it’s a pain if you want an overhang to seal it. I’m not sure why as I was going to make a timber overhang for sides and back. That’s the only bit that’s concerning me at the moment
@@runzareviews4188 Mine only has a very small overhang and I’m not too worried about it tbh. The flashings drop well below the level of the timber structure. I might run a bead of silicone around the outside as a belt and braces measure
@@Hand-i-Craft when do you think you’ll have the flashings done? my panels arrive in 10 days so hopefully can see how yours looks before then.
@@runzareviews4188 I’ll be back on it on Friday. I don’t give myself deadlines as a general rule as I don’t want to put pressure on myself and end up making mistakes. If you have a look at my Instagram page I tend to put small clips of the build up on there 👍👍
Great video thanks
Cheers Gary👍
Great video, thanks for sharing 👍
P.s. did you use stitcher screws on the overlap?
Cheers for the messages defected. I’m going to br using the same small fixings down the ‘hook’ of the panels when I muster enough courage to get on the roof again (terrified of heights)!
Great video m8. I used exactly the same panels when I built my workshop and think sip panels are definitely the way to go for roofs for the future. I have had mine up for around 3 years now and no problems or regrets 👍.
Great to hear feedback that like Dean and couldn’t agree more with you. I think lots of folk, roofs in particular as they can be the most difficult part in a building project, will be looking at this product thinking ‘yes that’s for me’👍👍
Great progress Leo 👍. It must feel awesome with the roof on (other than that little bit at the end). Thankfully we have had a lot of dry sunny days recently. I did see those sip panels being used in the restoration couple and Liam's oakgarden room channel. Looks the business!
I’ve been so lucky with the weather Suj. Just posted in a couple of other comments, when I first costed these it was ‘well it’s a bit more expensive than the traditional method of timbers etc but is worth the extra.’ Done a very brief costing last night and was astonished at the timber prices now, seriously does make the panels look like good value now.
Apparently bumblebees can’t flyThe weight to wing ratio and their heartbeat can’t sustain flight but no one’s told them but they still fly you’re building a building that doesn’t need To meet building regulations but as far as I can see is about 1000 times stronger than many a shed / extension roof that I’ve taken down in the past it’s amazed me that they stayed up but they did. Look at all the log cabins in the Americas no regulations there and they’ve been out for hundreds of years. You have A well researched informed and executed job ,pat yourself on the back and have a beer. Spending the hour getting the first panel correct is an absolute must ,credit to you ! love the way you check the span midway as well to make sure the wall wasn’t bowing I think you’ve done an absolute top job. I’ll be interesting when you do the costings for materials and the labour, but you have to quantify the labour whether it’s your own labour or if you cost a tradesmen to do it say on an hourly rate it would be interesting ! Top job
Thanks Dougie, never really thought of the labour figure tbh, but will definitely do a costings of it all once it’s finished. I’d imagine if I was starting it now it would be at least 30% more expensive than when I bought most of the timber last year. I did a very brief bit of research last night against costing a traditional timber roof against the panels I bought and was like 😳😳😳 at the prices now. Made the panels I bought look like great value as opposed to justifying the extra cost of the panels over the timber a short while back🤷♂️
Great video and very useful. The only thing I can't get my head around with these panels is how you would install spot lights and associated wiring as the sandwich board is sealed. Any pointers would be very handy. Can't wait to watch the rest of your vids now, very inspirational.
Thanks for the comment😀. I had led panel lights installed which for a workshop are fantastic, but if you’re after something more aesthetic like down lights for a garden room / office you can have these panels fitted with battens and then plasterboard. This will give you a gap for cabling etc, but it will mean you will lose a little ceiling height. Hope this is of some help, Leo 😀👍
Well done, Leo! Looks a damn sight easier than faffing around with a warm roof and EDPM.
I'm sure you can get spring loaded centre punches that are useable one-handed...
Thanks Alasdair and yes this is such an easier and quicker option than the traditional method. And yes I ordered the spring punch thing this afternoon 👍👍
Great stuff Leo 👍, I also watched the restoration couple when he used this roofing. So I went to the suppliers website and thought for what your getting the prices were quite reasonable and I'm tight 🙂. Can't wait to see part 2.
All the best David 👍
Thanks David. When I costed these up I based the comparison in price on when I roughly costed a ‘traditional’ roof structure about 12 months ago. I briefly revisited those costings today for the traditional timber construction and I couldn’t believe my eyes. What I thought with the SIP panels was a ‘I’m paying a bit more but the ease of construction is worth the extra’ is now ‘actually the SIP panels represent good value’. Cost of timber has gone crazy pal🤷♂️
I love the video how you explained everything and how you show as much of the process as possible, really. You see every bit of work put into it. 👍🏼
Also, thank you for letting me help you with it, hope I wasn’t in the way too much and i didnt ask too many questions. 😅😅
Alright Mia, cheers for the message and a huge thank you for helping on the day and also keeping an eye out for your grandad😀👍
brill vid am looking forward to the next vid :-) it all new so well dun and thank you
Nice one, thanks Joseph for the kind comment 👍👍😀😀
I bought a spring loaded centre punch from Amazon recently for about £3.50 works very well just push down and the spring loaded centre ‘fires’. Look forward to the completion of the roof.
Thanks Mike, picked one up myself this week so will be trying it out tomorrow 👍😀
Thanks Mate. Really good video, and really appreciate the time and effort you put in to help others understand. I'm wondering about the amount of screws you have to use, and how they could be a possible future water ingression. How are they sealed? And could they be improved? Also if you were attempting this on NOT a stand alone structure ie a Lean To, whether some sort of inverted flashings are available for the connection with a wall? help would be appreciated because Im really tempted to try this on a freezing brick built, plastic roof conservatory
Hello Steve, cheers for the message👍. The screws are great, they have a rubber / sponge type washer under the head so when you twist in the last turn or 2 it forms a seal👍👍. And yes you can get the types of flashings you mention, have a look on Panelsell website and it has a virtual mock up for different requirements 😀👍
Just watched this which all good but I'm pretty sure part 2 is going to be the video/info I've been trying to find for a long time and is a nightmare to find! 🙌🤞 great work!
Cheers for the message, the reason why I chose to make this bit a two part video is I was also looking for a flashings installation video and couldn’t find much detail. Glad it has been of some help to you 😀👍
Fantastic.. Work 👍
Thank you 😀👍
Another great video Leo. Thanks for explaining your thoughts and the build questions you asked Panelsell. I also watched Tim on The Restoration Couple put this roof on and it definitely looks like the way to go. You answered a lot if my questions too. Its looking good mate. Can't wait for part 2.
Thanks Gaz, had quite a few folk get in touch about these panels so it appears there is quite a bit of interest in these as an alternative to the ‘traditional’ method. Especially since the price of timber has made these a value for money alternative 👍
Nice clean install . I always thought you would need support for the actual roof but obviously not with the insulated panels
Thanks Michael, yes very happy with how they turned out. The panel system is fantastic 😀👍
Nice work leo, got to love a challenge 😜
Certainly do pal, nothing bigger after this though!😂
Thanks mate a really big help.
Cheers Dave 😀👍
my uncle built his old workshop with them 30 odd years ago and still standing today i feel your pain 1 handed
Thanks James, they’re really well designed so 🤞 all will be well😀
Great stuff, Leo!
Thanks Malcolm 👍👍😀
Hi mate love watching your UA-cam vids . You mentioned if anyone could help you out by letting you know how to hole punch with one hand . Well the way to do it is by using an automatic hole punch which you can buy anywhere now it's used just with one hand basically a spring loaded punch . Hope this helps .many thanks mik
Thank you Mik for the very kind feedback and cheers for the tip on the automatic hole punch 😀😀👍👍
Texan here trying to convert metric to feet…I'm doin something very like this as a retro to a porch. May be a problem for you the other way, but it will be about 12W'x14'L and doing SIPS walls. I hadn't even a clue they would offer a roof in the package. It's Thanksgiving and they won't be getting back to me but thought I'd try here first for the long weekend. They mentioned a "garden room" kit…which may work even better…but alas won't know til later. I don't see any roof supports in the middle of yours..do you think I can span 12' x 14' without any support below the ceiling (roof)? Mine needs to tie into an existing gable roof creating a shed roof type slope for us. I wondered if they tapered any of the roof panels to make a smooth transition. I thought I heard you mention something like that. Anyway..thank you so much for the videos!! I'm really excited to get started and thank you for goin first!:)
Thanks for the message and greetings from Liverpool, England. My panels are unsupported and have a span of approximately 12ft. I checked with the manufacturer and they said it would be fine. From what I can remember there were three thicknesses of panel, mine was the middle one, 80mm thick which is approximately 3 inches thick at its narrowest point. In regards to the panels attaching to an existing building, the company I used had a design template on their website and part of it was if they were attached to a building so I’m sure it wouldn’t be an issue. They also had bespoke flashings for attachments like that. Good luck with whatever you choose and hope it works out well for you 👍👍
You can buy automatic, spring loaded punch, I don't have them myself, but seen them on you tube. Thinking you could build a jig, block of wood with holes drilled to the diameter of the punch then activate the spring.
Another great video. Look forward to seeing the costs.
Cheers Dafydd for both messages, just ordered one👍👍😀
Just one remark if I may. I see you screwed the roofpanels with the screws on the lower parts of the sandwhich panel. I have learned to put the screws in the higher (ridge) part of the panel because there is less water flowing there.
Great piece of advice and thank you for sharing the tip 👍👍
Can't wait to see the solar panel for the roof!
😂😂Maybe not solar panels but I’ll give you the grand tour pal when it’s finished 😀👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Hope you are putting a gutter up to catch the water and save it in a barrel!
@@nicholasmcvey5871 Will supply our street! 😂
Can you join them end to end? I need to replace my double garage roof, (just bare metal at the moment and condensation is a nightmare in the winter) would love to use SIP , but front to back its about 10 meters.
My answer to that Jonathan is I ‘think’ you can as they are used in large warehouses etc, but I don’t know for sure and how it’s done. Best to contact Panelsell and check 👍👍
Hi Leo that roof looks awesome and the whole workshop is coming along nicely. With regards to the centre punch you can buy a spring loaded automatic centre punch for not much money there brilliant for all kinds of marking as you can adjust the pressure
Thanks Andy. Ordered one and it arrived today. Will be Friday before I get chance to use it but will be really helpful 👍👍😀😀
Spring loaded punch! 👍 😎
Thanks Ged, ordered one today 👍👍😀😀
Blooming hec that's looking good Leo. That roofing is a thing of beauty. Genius idea. Very interested in price comparison.
Filming was brilliant mate. Def didn't need more. Did you catch the sun a tad?? 🤣🤣🤣.
Auto Centre punch as mentioned, are superb. See you've ordered one bud.
Thanks Barry. Done a little price comparison now against recent timber price rises and I was literally astonished how expensive the timbers are now 😳😳. Auto centre arrived today👍😀
Stumbled upon this as I’m planning a 7.5m x 3m workshop type thing. Looking at these roof panels also as they bypass a lot of the faffing it seems. Anyhoo quick question - how did you square off the first one so that it ran properly square along the building after that? Many thanks
Cheers for the message. Good question and it’s really important that first one sits completely square so the others will line up correctly. From memory my main tool for that was the humble adjustable combination square. I set it to the overhang distance I wanted front and back and also along the side and referenced off the wall panels. Took a little while as it isn’t the easiest making small adjustments to a panel that big but got there eventually. Once I was happy we fixed that in place with just a coupe if fixings (so it wouldn’t move), checked it again and then started with the second panel 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft appreciate the response and well done on your build even if it took me 2 years to find it 😂. It’s interesting watching how you manage the one arm issue. I find myself working alone generally and I get frustrated when it gets to two person jobs and it’s just me, so clearly I need to give myself a shake. I try and do things myself as I like to learn how things work but also being working class, find it really hard to pay for labour if I feel it’s within my skill set ( or just tight 😂). Keep up the good work, and nice to see stuff from a normal bloke where videos aren’t full of promotional stuff where they’re using high end tools they’ve been given in exchange for a plug 👍
Hi, watched you shed build a couple of times now, I’am just building mine and seen your roof idea which is very nice.
Contacted panelsell but never got back to me🙄. But I’ve found a couple more supply’s. But they are saying I need a purlin/beam. My is 3100 deep, I did notice you have got any purlin or beam ? Were did you get your calculation from ? Have you had any issues with it sagging/bowing.
Cheers
Ian
Morning Ian, thanks for your comment and I’ll try my best to answer your questions. Sorry to hear panelsell haven’t got back to you, when I dealt with them I think I might have been one of the first members of the public to buy from them as virtually all of their business is to industry. Fortunately for me and ‘unfortunately’ for them I bombarded them with questions which they very kindly answered, hence me passing on my knowledge and experience through these videos.
I was sure I’d have to install some kind of support beam in the workshop to take the weight / stop sagging etc. The unsupported span of my workshop is just over 3.5m. I contacted panelsell who had a span chart looking at structural support etc. My panels are the 80mm at the narrow part of the panel (think the trapezoid bit is around 110mm) and panelsell told me that at 3.5m and 6 degrees of pitch the roof would take a load of 100kg per square metre without any additional support. I don’t know if your structure needs to meet building regs, but mine is permitted development so I took that data as fine for me and fitted them unsupported.
I will say this, they are rock solid. I’ve been up on the roof to fit the additional fixings and no wobble / sagging / movement at all. They’ve been up for over a year now and no sign of any sagging. We’ve also had a few storms as bad as it will ever get here (90mph plus winds) and no issues at all. I can’t comment for other manufacturers but I guess they will all be the same. I could retrospectively install some support beams if needed, but can’t see that happening.
One thing I haven’t done is fix plasterboard on the underside as I like the metal finish it has and the electrician could install the lighting directly on to it.
Hope this is of some help and get back to me if you have any more questions 😀👍
Looks like this video is trending again mate, it’s just come up on my ‘All’ tab about 4 or 5 videos down again. 🎉🎉
Cheers for the message Scott, it has consistently been one of my best performers, the follow up one I did 12 months on has really caught on too in the last few months 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft I think this was one of the first I watched of yours. It’s great seeing them pop back up. It just shows how great your videos are. Did you have a good Christmas and New Year?
@@scott1armedcarpenter Cheers pal, was a real mixed bag over the festive season, will explain more in next video I’m hoping to get out mid week 👍👍
Great, very helpful
Thanks David, seems to have quite a bit of interest at the moment, possibly due to the huge price hikes in timber which makes this seem more of a realistic proposition 👍
Coming along well you can get an automatic centre punch you just press it down and it makes the indent force can be adjusted but by a good quality branded one i have tried the cheap ones and they stop working i have had a eclipse one for a couple of years now with no issue's i think it was about £10 on ebay. 👍
Thanks Rasmo, just ordered one👍. Progress is really picking up now😀👍
Hi Leo. Thank you for all your work on these videos. They're fantastic. As you've had them for over a year now, have you found any issues with condenstion on the underside of the roof panels?
Cheers Matthew, (touch wood) I’ve had no issues at all with condensation. The workshop is ventilated by the vents around the windows and door, plus I do have a small space for ventilation at the top of the drawbridge. I’m so glad I went with these, get your first panel right and the rest are easy to install👍
hi there, may i ask what packers are they to create the angle? Are the 4 sides all same height and you put the packers on the front wall ? thanks
@@lukazleong If you watch the previous video to this in my workshop build series you’ll see how I made the walls ready for the panels 👍😀
@@Hand-i-Craft I did !I must have missed the calculation somewhere.. I will watch again thank you
Thanks for the monalogue 👍 and content
Cheers for the kind feedback, much appreciated 😀😀👍👍
Hi Leo, thank you for the very comprehensive break downs of your projects. Something that came to mind was, would you have preferred to do the walls in the same way now that you have completed your roof?
Hello Nelson, that’s probably the best question I’ve ever been asked about the workshop! I think for the majority of folk with the way timber prices are now then yes the insulated wall panels would probably be the best way forward. For me personally I was interested in the challenge of ‘could I build a workshop on my own with only one functioning arm?’ I acknowledged it was going to be a mammoth task and I’d encounter lots of unique challenges along the way, but could it be done? With the exception of help with the roof panels and fitting the front cladding the answer was yes and I’m very proud of that. The bigger question is would I do it now? Reality is I wouldn’t be able to afford it as timber costs have at least doubled and sheet goods have trebled since I built this.
@@Hand-i-Craft Thank you Leo.
Hi mate abit late to the party but im going to do a roof with these panels but panelsell want crazy money. I'm going to go with colour clad but they only do 90 degree barge flashings, do you think these will still do the job all the way around the perimeter. The roof will over hang by over 100mm
Hello Joe, cheers for the message. I’m just thinking about the 90 degree flashings and I can’t see a reason as to why it won’t work for you. The front flashing would mean it’s angled upwards instead of in line with the front of the building so I’m thinking would the rain run off onto the front of your workshop, but with the overhang you said I think you’ll be fine. Same with the back so sorting the guttering might be an issue as the run off will be really tight to your back wall, but again I’m sure there should be a work around.
Now thinking a little more the one problem you will have is this: On my setup I have a flashing that fits on top of my back wall that the panels then rest on then the top flashing rests on that. This creates a space for the water to run off into the guttering. It is difficult to explain in words but I think I did a diagram on my 12 month panel update video which makes a lot more sense. If that bottom flashing has a 90 degree angle then it won’t rest on top of your rear wall as the angle will be too steep. Does this make sense? You could always email me at 75handicraft@gmail.com and I could try to put it in diagram form to help.
Apart from that I think you will be ok, but you will definitely have to think about what I’ve just said above 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft sorry for late reply! Appreciate your advice, i decided to go with them panels and flashings as i only have a 4 degree pitch and large over hang so 90 flashings wont look like they are sitting weird from the front also i doubt i need the drip flashing on rear as i have around 200mm over hang to play with. P.s i like the idea behind putting spacers on the top plate to give it a angle. Top work
Please, what's correct name for that black foam you've showed at 6:35? I want to buy that, but here, in Croatia, nobody even know about that...
I’m sorry I don’t know the actual name of the foam inserts you mention, but you could contact Panelsell and ask them 😀👍
I’m about to do a similar roof with 100mm sheets. I’m unsure about if I need to put any mastic or silicone on the join where the roof hooks over. Do you think this is necessary to seal the two like a sandwich?
Thanks Mark for the message. The timber I mounted the roof onto was angles so the joint between the two was really tight. As a belt and braces measure I ran a bead of silicone between the outside joints and inside. Not really needed but certainly done no harm doing it 👍
I did the roof of my shed with the plain metal version which was fairly easy. That said, I do now have to insulate under at some point.
I suppose that’s the advantage of these Benedict in that it is all done at once. Sheet metal though is obviously a much cheaper option🤷♂️
@@Hand-i-Craft Until you try to work out the best way of insulating it, yes.
Did you have any cut backs on ur panels on the gutter side?
I didn’t Paul, the reason being was the width of my workshop against the width of the panel. The panels I bought were 7.5m cut in half. This only gave me a 4cm overhang at the front and the back. I didn’t want to compromise the structural integrity of the panel (as they have 3.67m unsupported span) so they don’t have any cutback. Doesn’t appear to be an issue tbh👍👍
Hi there i have just built a concret block building with these insulated roof panels can I ask if you are having any condensation problems I seam to be getting alot of condensation
Hello Scott, cheers for the message. The short answer is no, I’ve had no issues with condensation. I’m not sure as to why, I do have ventilation via the window and door vents, plus there is a small ventilation gap at the drawbridge. Also I’m wondering whether the osb plays a part in moisture content in the room? I’m really unsure and am looking to do my homework on it just in case I’m creating a problem for further down the line. Sorry I can’t help any more than that. Best wishes, Leo 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft thanks for your reply I going to put some vents in to increase ventilation as I only have patio doors at the moment an they are shut more then they are open so him hopping this could be a major cause of the condensation thans once again and you did a great job with your build
Very helpful video. You are 100% correct you will not find Sandwich Panels, (not SIP) described in any DIY book. This Insulated panel is very new to DIY people and is a product that has been overlooked for some time. They will for sure save you time on your roof build. They are very strong and cover wide spans. The Insulated Panel Store, who are online, can help with the supply of this product as well as offer you help. They are very easy to fit and will not take long.
Thanks JG, that’s why I decided to go into quite a bit of detail in the two videos I done about them. Everything I said in these were questions I’d been asking panelsell so I thought they would be relevant to people who are thinking of going down this route 😀👍
Many thanks mate. After watching your video I ordered KingsPan roof instead of usual OSB, rubber roof, etc and similar to your I was struggling to understand how they fit together. Is the rain water going to a soak away?
Thanks for the message. I did a follow up video about the flashings then another about the guttering that will hopefully answer your rain water question 😀😀👍👍
Thank you for the video ...Looks great ... I am thinking about using this type of roof for a long time on a renovation project. How is it for sound proofing? Can you hear the rain ? Not that that's necessarily a bad thing !!
Cheers MJ. Yes you can hear the rain, but tbh I find it kind of therapeutic 😀. In terms of sound leaving the garden room, they do provide very good sound proofing. I recently sent a couple of clips to a subscriber who asked about noise levels. I switched on all my noisiest machines and stood outside to film the noise levels and he couldn’t believe how quiet it was 😀👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Thanks so much for your quick and helpful response. I know what you mean, the sound of the rain can be very soothing. Does the 80 mm provide enough insulation to keep the heat in?
Thinking of using something like this on large 10x12 metre old workshop warehouse - that I want to make livable. It just has old farm type corrugated iron roof at the moment with wooden beams underneath and the sound of rain is very nice but can get quite loud on the current roof. Wondering if it will be warm enough. Thanks very much for your information it is appreciated. 😊
@@mkay0077 That is quite a big space! I suppose it all boils down to budget and if you could stretch to the thicker stuff then it would offer a greater degree of insulation. The rain noise under these is nothing like corrugated stuff, it is a ‘duller’ type sound and only gets quite loud when it really hammers it down, but like a conservatory I’d imagine 🤷♂️. The panels I have offer great insulation along with what I done in the walls, the key for me knowing it works well is it retains the heat in the room very well. I’ll put a heater on when I go in for a short while and when I turn it off the room stays warm 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft it is a big space !! I will divide it up a little bit but want to keep it large and open with as much high ceiling as possible. We shall see, this type of roofing appeals because of the ease of installation and can potentially cut out underside ceiling costs also. Thank you I will take that all on board, 😊
Hi leo, not sure if you received an answer but have you tried a "spring loaded" or "automatic" centre punch, no hammer required. They are widely available including Amazon.
Great video btw, thanks for sharing.
Thanks sly wolf for the heads up. Yes I did get one after this video, easy for me now 😀😀👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft 😂😂😔 i realised when i watched part 2, typical me... Engage mouth before brain.
Another couple of great vids though, think i will do the same with my garage roof and the shed roof when build it, really helps out with the 2.5m height nonsense when you want it insulated.
Thanks again Leo.
Did you fit the foam tape around the perimeter of the wall, between the roof and wall? This is what gives you the seal.
Thanks Stephen. I didn’t but a good idea and certainly wouldn’t do any harm if it helps form a better seal 👍👍👍
Hi again . I’ve looked again at previous posts and answers to this query on the front drainage. You explain how there’s a gap with different deflector flashing and that fitting is shown in part one but appears not to be there?
Hello Janice, there is also a shorts video that gives you a close up of the two flashings on the back. In essence on the back where the water runs off there are two flashings. The first is fitted on top of your wall structure before the roof panel is fitted. The roof panel then sits on top of the first flashing and is fixed in place. Finally the top flashing goes on top of the insulated roof panel. A small gap is then formed between the bottom flashing and the top which the water runs though into whatever guttering you decide to install. The rainwater does run down the back of the panel and could benefit maybe from a coat of some form of sealant or watered down PVA, but the panel won’t degrade. For example, these panels are stored outside and not undercover.
I’ve also got a video about installing guttering which might help. If you still need some help then just get email me and I’ll send you some pics of how the finished panels / flashings look👍
Re the centre punch. Could you not make a ply/ mdf jig that holds/ locates the punch where needed so you can just place it on the roof panel to smack it with a hammer?
Thanks carlb, didn’t know there were automatic centre punches you can click with one hand🤷♂️ so I’ve just ordered one of those and see if that works👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft It should be ok, depending on the quality you may need to punch it a couple of times.
They make an automatic centre punch. You just push with one hand and it pops the pin with a spring system. Might help you out. Sorry if you know this or someone else has mentioned it already. Great video BTW.
Thanks noddylloyd for the tip and yes I’ve since bought one which is easy for me to use. Cheers for the positive feedback! 😀
Another quick question, I have mine coming from Colour Clad (regret that now), but they seem very similar. Can you screw items into the under side on the panel, i.e. track lights or other fittings? And would they be stable do you think?
Hello Mark, the electrician fixed the lighting panels directly to the metal underside. The only thing he asked me to go and get were self tapping screws. At some point I’m going to make a ‘booth’ like Keith Brown did to keep dust down when flattening slabs, but I’m going to use curtain rails. Think what I’ll do then is fix a timber batten to the ceiling and attach the rail to that 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Cool fella, thanks for the response, I suspected as much, but always good to see someone doing something pretty similar, helps no end.
Hi. I'm probably going to install these on my sectional concrete garage. With regards to the light. Does the wiring run on the underside of the roof panel. Ie the steel finish visible when you look up?
Excellent explanation , I am building my own garden room at the moment and thinking about these panels . That was what i wanted to know about the trims . What if you cut them in half and join them in the middle of the roof how do you make it watertight is there a trim that covers the middle section or do you have to ask them to make it . Thank you subscribed
Cheers makolic for the message 👍. Yes the trims are all specifically made to your build and it takes 2-3 weeks for panelsell to do this so you need to factor that in to your ordering / timing of the build. If you look on their website I think there is a diagram of the different types of edgings and you can figure it out from that or give them a call. Mine was pretty straightforward as it is a single pitch roof but they cover all weird and wonderful angles! Good luck with your build project 👍👍😀
Excellent video. Have my edpm roof finished, but would certainly have considered this method, if I had know about it.
I think a lot of folk will be thinking about this now John with the price of timber currently and the permitted development height restrictions 👍
There should be no need to drill the sheets the screws should self drill the sheets and have a stitch thread under the seal washer to pull the outer sheet and washer together tight to avoid ponding around the fixing ,If the screws didn't have this course thread under the head then they have provided you with the wrong screws also there better with a colour coded moulded head rather than lose caps ,The first panel needs laying down where you want it and put a main fixing in the bottom corner then put the second sheet on level with the first and put a stitch top and bottom to hold them together or even do three like this and then square all 3 together pivoting on the single screw in the first sheet will give you a better idea where your heading and save a load of time
Nice one, cheers for this info Brian 👍
Hi, I have a centre punch that is like a ball point pen, you put the tip where you want it to punch and then just click the top and it punches the wood or metal, unfortunately there is no name on it (it has worn off) and my memory is not the best so I cannot remember where I got it from, possibly Amazon UK as that is where I get most of my tools.
I’ve ordered one this afternoon John. Seems like the perfect solution 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft well it is operated by one click on the top so you only need one hand to operate it.
Could you let me know how long the long fixings were?
Morning Mark, they were 175mm 👍
Don't know if you're aware (you may well be) but panelsell are actually quoting your videos in their emails - probably only when they know they're dealing with DIY type customers. Should be on comission! Unless they gave you a healthy discount at the time you ordered. Great vids btw.
Cheers pal, I did say to them a while back if they wanted to post a link to my videos then they could as I literally bombarded them with questions during the order process. At the time I think they mainly dealt with industry so weren’t used to folk like me with all kinds of DIY type questions. No commission or discount unfortunately, but glad the videos might be of some help to people 😀
@@Hand-i-Craft if it’s any conciliation you did it at the right time, think your panel price was less than £30m2, it’s now 40.. plus VAT, just for the panels!
@@thepeginator2556 😳😳Wow. I have done a follow up video where I show the full costings I paid against pricing for a traditional timber roof. That video will be almost a year old so prices will no doubt have fluctuated since
@@Hand-i-Craft yeh I watched that and did have a bit of a chuckle/cry at the prices…
@@Hand-i-Craft Might have found some going cheap, but I'll need to cut them to transport.
did you use a specific blade? Or just the regular TCT wood blade?
Great video, very informative! You're build is looking great. Out of curiosity what pitch or fall does the roof have? Thanks Jon
Cheers Jon, the pitch on my roof is 6 degrees but you could probably get away with 4 degrees 👍👍
Hi first time I’ve seen your videos and they are great well done fella, do you have a link for the roofing company you used ? Cheers
Hello JessLB, thanks for the kind feedback. There is a link to the company in the video description if you want to check them out. Best wishes, Leo 😀👍
You need one of those push to punch auto centre punches, search auto centre punch on Amazon, you just hold them in one hand and push.
Thanks Tony, ordered one today. Sounds like the perfect solution 👍😀
They go up so fast! Does the overlap lip have some sort of seal built in or does it not even need it?
Thanks Rodger. The overlapping hook has a sponge seal that just compressed when you fix the panel in place. Very clever 👍👍😀
@@Hand-i-Craft brilliant, and also crucially, still modular. Thanks for replying.
Exactly. You could disassemble it the same way it was put up 👍😀
In Ireland we still have to build to building regs even if it doesn't need a planning permission
Interesting to know. Tbh I’ve been in my workshop now for two years and it is so much better insulated than our house 😂
Can you tell me roughly how much it cost for the roof panels and company name please.
Thanks
Cheers for the message. I bought them from a company called Panelsell, I done a follow up video of the costings, but please be mindful prices have increased significantly since then. ua-cam.com/video/5S4FnMZDLUo/v-deo.html
Cheers for the message. I bought them from a company called Panelsell, I done a follow up video of the costings, but please be mindful prices have increased significantly since then. ua-cam.com/video/5S4FnMZDLUo/v-deo.html
What was the weight of your panels? I have 5 metre panels here and there is no way in hell three people could lift them up like that. Have I ordered the wrong ones?
The panels were cut at around 3.7m I think pal and I’d say they weighed around 80kg each. Doable for two people but we luckily had three on the day. I’m only guessing here but mine are the 80mm thick panels (at the narrowest part), are yours the 100mm panels?
@@Hand-i-Craft yes. they are the thickest possible i think 12-15 cm . i am ging to cut em in half so only 2.5 m should be liftable them .
@@Hand-i-Craft Where did you get yours from ? im going to get another 5 m one , a transparent one and cut it in half so ill have a bigger shed and more light yea
@@haggishead7558 Got mine from a company called Panelsell pal 👍👍
Great and informative. Thanks! I spoke to panelsell (London office) today and they were super unhelpful. In fact I felt fobbed off! Did you call that office or a different one? Its a shame because i wanted to buy their product as i've heard good things about it.
Sorry to hear this Caterina, not great on their part. No I didn’t deal with the London office as I’m up in the north west. I dealt with a guy called Philip in the Liverpool office, Aussie bloke who was really helpful. Talked me through all the answer a diy guy would ask and I couldn’t ask for any better. Maybe get in touch with the north west office and say you’re not happy with the service of the London folk🤷♂️
@@Hand-i-Craft thanks for your reply. Yes I think i'll do that.
Hi Leo, Thanks for all the useful video's! I am working on my own garden build and inspired by your build I am going for insulated panels. I know you used Panel sell, did you look at Kingspan panels? I am not sure the Kingspan have as a good a water run off system on their flashings? Have you found any rain getting from panels? thanks Simon
Cheers Simon for the message. Touch wood up to now, not a drop of water ingress from any aspect of the roof / flashings etc and it has had some pretty heavy storms at times as well. Very happy with them and the guy I dealt with at Panelsell was very helpful as well 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft great thanks Leo, good to know. I will have a ponder on which way to go...
One other thing Leo! I am having the same thoughts you had about the top plate being flat, on the front and back walls, and the stiff roof panel being on an angle. I am thinking of ripping 4 x 2 on 4 degree angle and making a sort of angled crown plate for the front and back walls. What do you reckon?
@@FatManBuilds Worked really well for me pal as it meant the roof panel sat flush to the modular walls (at an angle of 6 degrees in my case) which eliminated the risk of the roof panels being twisted out of shape when fixed and less chance of water getting in👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft I got my angled crown plate on today Leo, at 4 degrees, it worked out really well in the end, or at least it looks like it will work! I will only know when the panels arrive! I posted a video on the crown plate today if you are interested. Hopefully it works as well as yours!
Do you have videos of putting up the wood frame?
I’ve got a playlist michael of the build if you want to check out my channel 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft you have too many videos, I will never find it
No worries Michael. Here you go ua-cam.com/video/6mJgvj5Cccs/v-deo.html
One handed center punch. Look up "automatic centre punch". That may help. I have one.
Thank you, yes I bought one and it really helps 😀👍
Hi mate. Firstly well done, great job. Your video has come at the perfect time for me as I have also been watching every video known to man about warm, cold and hybrid roofs and it’s been doing my head in! I also decided the roof panels were the way to go. Quick question if you don’t mind, what was the height of your front and back wall and what angle did you have for your rake walls? My garden room is also 3.5m wide. I have read online the roof panels have to be at a minimum angle of 4 degrees. Thanks for your time.
Cheers Alright pal, cheers for the message. Because my garden room is over 2 metres away from next doors boundary I can go up to 3m in height so my front wall uses a full osb board (8ft) and the back boards are cut to 7ft. This gave me an angle of 6 degrees. Hope that is of some help👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft thanks. I am limited to the 2.5m unfortunately but the panels should still give me more head room. Might risk going just below 4 degrees so the back wall isn’t too low. If I go 2.2m front and 2m back it gives me just over 3 degrees. I’ve spent more time watching videos on roofs than any man should 😂. Really impressed with your work, keep it up 👍
@@pshoyer Can’t see it being an issue tbh. Would imagine it’s a sufficient enough angle 👍👍
great job, but they are not a sip panel they are a composite roof panel, sip panels are osb boards either side of a foam core
Thanks Andy, I didn’t realise sip panels had to be osb lined, just thought it was a generic term for the type of design. I’ve changed the title to ‘insulated’ roof panels and hopefully folk will look at the pic and get the idea. Cheers for the comment 👍👍