Insulated Roof Panels for My Workshop. One Year On After Installation
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
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I thought about doing a follow up video to two of my most successful videos on the channel which are about installing the insulated roof panels and flashings to my modular designed workshop. I work my way through the FAQ's that have popped up in the comments section and via social media. I hope you find this video useful when considering going for the same system yourself 👍.
As ever, thank you so much for your continued support in my disability woodworking adventures. Please consider giving the video a thumbs up and maybe even subscribing to the channel. Best Wishes, Leo
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Going to put these on my own workshop next summer , thank you for the videos relating to these , top notch
Thank you, much appreciated 😀👍
Great video I got them on my small house and they are brilliant. Keep the videos coming your doing a great job.
Thank you, very kind of you to say 😂👍
Been watching your channel as I am building a gym (using SIP for walls and insulated panels for roof).
Couldnt find any instructions for roof until I watched your build. Have been very impressed with what you have been doing (and how clear you present!) but didnt realise you had one arm until right at the end!
So now I have gone from impressed to completely jaw dropping!!
Well done you!
Thanks Glen, it’s really kind of you to say and very much appreciated. Hope the rest of your gym build goes well and good luck with it all 👍
That's really cool. There seems to be a decent amount of info at the moment on both SIP and Insulated Metal Panel construction, but really no info on combining the two in a build. How did your gym "work out"?
Brilliant video; well done on your build to date. Leo looks impressive and very functional
Thanks Pat, very kind of you and yes I’m so proud of this build 😀👍
Brilliant video Im now going for a insulated roof panel setup for mine thanks!
Cheers and I’m glad I’ve been able to help in some little way 😀👍
Hi Leo, I do like the look of how you've finished it off internally 👍 looks tidy
Thanks Gavin 😀👍
I have just come across your channel, I too have built my workshop in a similar manner but with different roof sheets.
*** You are an exceptional man ***
I love to build, play and tinker with all sorts wood, metal and electrical but I could not imagine how I would be able to do it without full use of my hands and arms.
I will be watching your channel for ideas and motivation. Thank you😇😇
Cheers for your very kind comment here, much appreciated. Best wishes, Leo 😀👍
I'm building another workspace with our new house, and again I'll be using insulated sandwich panels for both the walls and the roof. Love them.
I’ve seen a couple of builds pal using the wall panels as well, look very impressive 👍👍👍
Thanks for the video
You’re welcome 👍👍
Great video as usual
Thanks Ricky 😀😀👍👍
Thanks for the vids and follow up, looking at these to replace an existing boarded felt roof as I've converted the space into an office and the heat retention is shocking at the moment, very useful insights much appreciated
Thanks Michael for the kind feedback. The insulation properties of these panels are excellent, you will certainly notice a huge improvement 😀😀👍👍
Great follow-up video Leo. As you say in your video, the Insulated panel is not found in DIY books. It is a product that is very much missed. I would highly recommend the Insulated Panel as a fast clean, strong option for any roofing project. To have a roof on your building within a day fully insulated with very low future maintenance is a no-brainer.
The Insulated Panel Store has a great team of people who are more than happy to answer and help anyone looking for Insulated Panels.
Excellent, thanks John for the comment and the heads up for the readers here😀😀👍👍
Looks like it worked well for you. Next time I need a new workspace I'll bear it in mind
Nice one Paul, cheers 👍👍
Hi Leo.
Great info thanks.
Getting warm here in Australia and I only have
Cheers James, I guess when an Aussie says ‘it’s getting warm’ it’s like my equivalent of saying ‘it’s a bit wet here’ 🤔🤔🤣😂🤣😂
Thanks , was hoping for around 4m 👍
ive used these panels, and would def use them again, one of the biggest advantages is getting your building dry in no time at all versus a timber roof. i was told by my supplier you can span 4 metres without rafters with panels that had 100mm insulation. cost wise its around the same if you take into account price of timber, fixings, felt, slates, or epdm membrane, and of course l;abour costs are a fraction of a timber roof. cheers
Thanks Kevin, totally agree with what you say here and the simplicity of installing made it a no brainer for me 😀👍
Thanks for this I need to re roof my railway model shed I think this will save me a ton of ie timber etc , and thanks for the guttering info regards Fred ps some supply the panels under cut for the run off
Thanks for the message Fred and good luck with your build 👍👍
Great review of your build and keeping it modular with the fixings is a brilliant idea. Perhaps there could be a comparison of insulation effectiveness between expanding foam and 24000 pages of building regs? Anything we refer to here as a 'quite bad' northern winter is classed as having proven structural integrity.
😂😂😂😂Very well said Ben and thanks for the comment 😀😀👍👍
Following your video got a quote for 4x3m roof and it came in at £1800 which is essentially for 2 panels
My son needs to replace the shoddily built vestibule entrance to the 1960's bungalow he is renovating. I have already recommended using these insulated roof panels but he was less than enthusiastic. I'll send him the links to your very informative videos and see whether he changes his mind. By the way my wife and I really enjoyed your recent appearance on the TV "Handmade: Britain's Best Woodworker" programme and thought that you deserved to have been kept in for longer. In the words of another UA-cam channel presenter "Keep up the good work".
John, thank you for your very kind words both about the videos and Handmade, much appreciated 😀👍
2:11 I fitted a pitched roof of 7m wide x 2.2m each slope in 1/2 a day with my wife helping. Important to make sure first piece is parallel to the verge. Easy peasy. That was two years ago and it was a perfect solution.
This autumn I did a 5m wide x 4m slope monopitch un-insulated with loose celotex pressed up against the underside fixed between purlins. Half the price of composite panels BUT it sweats under the tin sheet in the corrugations above the insulation and runs down to the next gap. Not a lot but annoying. I also have a 800mm overhang above the high end above the door and window. I noticed even outside the roof gets condensation on the underside of the (in that position) un-insulated sheet and then runs down the slope into the workshop …. despite the filler foams. That was cured with a clear silicon drip run just upslope of the cladding so it drops off in front of the building.
I would go the composite panels again next time, pity they’re twice the price/ m2
Everyday is a school day. 😂
Thanks for the message and sharing your experiences. I couldn’t agree more about the insulated roof panels, they are so easy to install and stress free in terms of upkeep. Well worth the extra money! Best wishes, Leo 👍
We need this in the USA
I’m sure they’d be a great success if a distributor tapped into that market Paul 👍
there are HUGE companies that supply these in the US including the IRISH company Kingspan.
Hi Leo, thanks for another great video. I'm not in total agreement on your time-frame for installing a timer-framed roof. I'm also an 'enthusiast' and when I built my workshop (4.8m X 2.4m) I went for a flat warm-roof, with 100mm PIR sandwiched between layers of 18mm ply, on 6x2 trusses, with a moisture barrier, breathable membrane and roof felt, and had it finished (all by my lonesome) in just over a day and a half. The hardest part was getting the top layer of ply up there 🤣
Cheers pal and that’s incredible what you’ve done there. 3 weetabix in the morning was it 😂😂😂. You’re right in what I said, I was probably thinking on ‘me time’ and that would take a couple of weeks, but I still would have thought it was take the average person a week or so. How’s the workshop been since you completed it? 😀👍
@@Hand-i-Craft thanks mate, there is no substitute for stubbornness of Ginger person wanting to finish up and get out of the sun 🤣 I moved out of that one after about a year because it was too small, currently in a far more shoddily built 6x3m but able to work on more than 1 thing at a time now (and also got space for loads more tools!). We're converting that one I built in to a garden office now. Same as yours is, it's way better insulated than the house so making it pretty and working out there 9-5 will be cheaper than heating the house all winter!
@@DuceDesigns as soon as you said ginger and sun it suddenly all made sense
Wish I'd of known about the insulated panels when I built my garage workshop. Would have been much quicker and a lot easier. Thanks for that Leo, for next time lol. Tony
Cheers Tony, much appreciated 👍😀
You can get some sealant that you paint onto the end of each panel to protect the exposed foam
👍👍Cheers for the tip John 👍👍
The insulation part of the panel is waterproof! Its the same material as expanding foam that you use to seal around installed windows etc
That’s what I thought but didn’t really have the knowledge to be sure about it. I’ve had the offcut from the project around the back of the workshop since I installed them and it has been exposed to all kinds of weather and the foam insulation part hasn’t deteriorated at all 👍👍
comment on condensation (or lack of): It's likely that the insulated surfaces will allow themselves to 'heat up' to the humid air's dew point (and above), and there will (despite the thin cover layer) very little available heat(cold) to actually convert sufficient of the moisture to liquid (the latent heat of condensation quickly heats the panel surface), so a perceptibly dryer space. Still need to be careful of thermal bridges and gaps that may break those promises allowing condensation spots.
Thank you for the detailed response here, really appreciate it as I simply didn’t have the knowledge to explain the situation in regards to condensation (or more specifically lack of) 👍👍
It looks like the water would run off fine. What doesn't look so fine would be the build up of leaves and needles, ice dams, and snow backed up. In snow country it is an advantage to have it slide off before it crushes the building. Cleaning out each channel of the debris would be an onerous job at the very least. The sharp edge would also make it dangerous. It only gets worse because that channel is choked down in size after it makes a right angle guaranteeing blockage. Not to mention the lateral load this places on the fasteners in tension, ductility and shear. The stand off from solid contact with structure would necessitate much stronger fasteners alone but the need is magnified with a load build up against that bottom dam pulling down with gravity.
Cheers for the feedback here. My panels have been up for just over two years now. I do check occasionally to see if there are any blockages and clean out any leaves if there are, but I only do this maybe two or three times a year. Where we are hardly ever snows, the last time we had ‘proper’ snow was in 2009. Can’t say I’ve had any issue with the fasteners either, the most challenging conditions the workshop has faced were two storms last year where the wind exceeded 90 mph on both occasions and no issues or damage occurred 👍.
Really interesting revisited Leo. The guttering diagram was a great help. I understand the fascia boards, but do you need a soffit too, or just go with the underlining of the panel on show outside?
i didnt use soffits, the clean look of the white metal underneath is tidy, the edges project a few inches past the thickness and provide lots of weatherproofing, id reccommend them. i used a foam gasket on top of the wall plate before placing the roof panels, and long tek coarse thread screws to fix them down around the perimiter, as well as the shorter stiching screws where they overlap.
I haven’t done any soffits pal, just the metal underneath looks fine, plus when the wind blows through the flashings there isn’t any resistance against it 👍👍. Great advice from Kevin here as well 😀👍
Nice one Kevin, brilliant advice here 👍👍
I need to use this on my kitchen roof,which is an extension to the side of the house. the pitch is too low for slates and my heart has been broken, from water being blown up under the slate. Have you any knowledge of the flashing that would go between the gable wall and the roof. In a traditional roof it would be lead flashing .
Terrific job and video
Cheers for the message Jeremy. I’ve no first hand experience of the flashing you reference, however I do remember it in the configuration tool they have on the website. Maybe worth checking out? Best wishes, Leo 👍
Great video and I have a roof just like yours and it’s worth every penny also I thought it was just me that thought it was relaxing to listen to the rain 😂😂
I find the rain noise kind of therapeutic Paul, glad the panels worked out well for you, I think they’re fantastic 😀👍
Hi, can I drill straight through the panels into the top of brickwork. Regards Glen, great video, keep it up. 👍🏻
Hello Glen, cheers for the message. From memory I’m pretty sure when ordering whether it was being drilled into timber or brickwork and Panelsell supplied the relevant fixings. Might be worth emailing them to double check 👍👍
Hi Leo, how much overhang did you allow at sides?
I'm doing a 7m x 3.5m garden room but the panels will be going on length ways (7m length). Also, how heavy are they? I'm planning on 3 or 4 joists/rafters on the length to spread the load. My fall will ne less than 4 degress due to height restrictions; more like 2. Is there really a need for the water deflector and drip edge? I was thinking of leaving the back edge alone and just installing a gutter. My rear wall will be clad with corrugated sheet also. I've found your videos very helpful and clear, thanks
Hello Anthony and cheers for the message. The front and back overhangs on my panels are only very short. My workshop is roughly 7.3m x 3.5m. The panels were 7.5m long cut in half so it gave me around 7cm overhang front and back. It hasn’t given me any problems although I’d imagine most folk would say it’s too short. The sides have much wider overhangs as I wasn’t as constrained size wise that way.
In regards to the back I’d say you need at least the part that goes under the panel. That will help to divert water away from your back wall and into your guttering. The top flashing is up to you, but if you choose not to I’d say to at least seal the edges of the PIR as that is going to be exposed to the elements.
Best of luck with your build and let me know how you get on 👍👍
Great video, does anyone know the max length you can go with the 80mm roof without needing any sort of support? Thanks 👍
You’d be best checking with the manufacturer pal, I did read somewhere up to 4m should be fine but speak to the folk at Panelsell and they’ll be able to help 👍👍
It's interesting you say that the panels can span 3.5m. Tim at the restoration couple channel also used these panels and he said you shouldn't span more than 2m with these panels. At around 100kg I would worry about walking on these as I'm quite a big point load!
Fair dos. Liam at Oakwood Garden Rooms I’m pretty sure has said they’re fine up to 3.5m, I went off specs from the manufacturer and it has worked really well for my needs, but it maybe different for other folk👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft I appreciate the input obviously speaking to the manufacturer is the way to go. I found an interesting video here with a strength test ua-cam.com/video/5vBiHubPpGs/v-deo.html
@@ice4142 Interesting, cheers for that, never seen that link. I’ve been up on there and they are rock solid. Very clever design and so easy to install compared to a traditional timber frame roof 👍
Leo after watching your original video of the roofing panels I decided to use the same product on my first workshop. I actually contacted the same company that you used and having seen your costings video let's just say considering i contacted them about 6 months after your build video was put on UA-cam the price difference was shocking. My workshop is 21ft long by 12ft wide so slightly shorter than yours and the way your customer service experience was very different to mine. I first tried to tell the guy the size of the workshop and all he responded with was...email address?. I was slightly confused so asked what he meant and his response was give me your email and I will send out what you want. It took forever for the phone to be answered and when it was the guy came across like he was upset because he had to answer the phone. When the email eventually arrived the price was almost £3,600 ..let's just say I was glad to be sat down already. I did manage to to the same system as you but I had to purchase it all from different companies up and down the UK. Like you say in this video and I totally agree with, and that's the comment on would you do it again. Definitely it's been brilliant. Overall even though it was a faff getting it from different companies in the end it cost me £1572 for it all.
Thanks Simon and I’m really sorry to hear about your experiences with Panelsell, but great that you got it sorted and at a fantastic price as well 😀😀👍👍
Simon, who did you get your panels from? Love your vids Leo.
@@jameskelly6615 Thanks James 😀👍
Hi would these be ok on a lean to conservatory and if so how would you attach to the house wall to form a seal? Can yiu buy special flashing? Thanks
Yes absolutely fine to do that. If you look at the panelsell website they have a configurator for lean to applications with the relevant flashings etc👍👍
@Hand-i-Craft
Thanks for your reply that's brilliant. I will look into that. Cheers
How noisy it is with rain. Would acustic insulation help to reduce noise?
I’d say it’s kind of similar to a caravan / conservatory pal when it rains. I actually don’t mind it at all tbh, the only time it’s a pain is when I’m filming and need the audio.
Great video and answers Leo...just one thing, do the leaves cause any issues? can they clog up the troughs? Cheers Paul
Thanks Paul, I get up on the step ladders and check them a couple of times a year. I’ve never had any issues where the troughs become blocked causing water to build up in the grooves. It’s just maintenance more than anything 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Thanks Leo
Hi have got this system today but was hoping to fit tommorow... the metal plate you say sits on the wall plate beneath the roof panels... how did you fit these... was it an adhesive.. ?
Alright Carl, hope it all goes well with the fitting. You could use some kind of adhesive to secure the metal plate before lifting the panels onto them. I didn’t as just let the weight of the panel rest on top of the plate then the large fixing went through everything fixing it to the top of the wall structure. Maybe even just some CA glue of similar to hold the plate in place might help👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft that's great it all turned up and could figure most out apart from that and maybe the sticky tape... is that just for the top of walls or did you use any to stick panel to panel on the overlap
@@carlwhitfield5463 That never came with mine pal, but I did have some foam adhesive tape pre fitted to the overlap hook that locks the panels to each other so I presume it’s for that. Either that or it’s to fit between the top of the walls and the base of the panels. Again it’s something I didn’t do but I guess something like foam tape between the base of the panels and the top of the wall panels could only benefit the joint 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft cheers mate hopefully all goes well... its for in preparation for my new felder combination machine coming in march.. have a good weekend..
Would this product be suitable for a residential roof?
I don’t see why not, but I’d certainly recommend getting in touch with the manufacturers if this is something you are considering 👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft ya I've contacted them by email today aswell. Looks a very good product with a fast installation process. Thanks for the reply.
@bernieone1
Hi did you use this on a residential roof, if so was it OK?
As a workshop the room is not a shed but a habitable space that should have been checked under Building Regs. the design superimposed load should be 1.0kN/sqm, which is about what has been calculated for the panel - more luck than judgement? I would be concerned about wind up lift on the roof and the wall loadings since the walls look somewhat weak.
The allowable roof panel pitch will be specified by the panel designer and with a single span unit it will be the side lap spec that will be the determining factor. 6 deg should be considered the minimum without additional side lap sealing. The standard side lap fixings must be used to ensure that there is no water penetration, the manufacturers don't provide the side lap fixings for no reason.
Clive, thanks for the input but some of your points here counteract my plans and development. Firstly the workshop is under 30m2 and far less than 50% of the outdoor space of the property so comes under permitted development not requiring building regulations and is also over 2m away from the nearest boundary, which I checked with my local council. Also there are no plumbing to the workshop. Don’t appreciate the luck rather than judgement comment as if the panels were not up to the specification of my build I simply would not have used them as I wasn’t prepared to invest a huge chunk of money on luck.
@@Hand-i-Craft Permitted development is a section under the Town and Country Planning Act and is nothing to do with Building Regs. Planning is about the principle of development and Building Regs is about the detail of construction, which includes 14 sub-sections, with approved documents that can be the size that fill lever arch files. Building Regs came out of the Public Health Acts and Bye Laws to ensure public safety. All habitable buildings must comply with the Building Regs. I suggest you check them out on the Govt website
I said that it was luck rather than judgement because you didn't seem to understand the information given to you by the panel supplier. The super-imposed load is normally given in kN/sqm rather than kg/sqm and the regs define what the minimum load is in kilo Newtons. The fact that you can walk on it is no vindication of its strength. I agree that no one should spend money without understanding what they spend it on, hence my comments.
@@clivewilliams3661 I’m sure you have far more knowledge and experience in this field than I do Clive. Yes I did check out the Govt website and I did do my homework and I do understand that permitted development is totally different to building regs. Based on your knowledge I presume you work in this field, but from my discussions with the council my workshop / garden room doesn’t need to meet the threshold of building regs as it is not being used as sleeping accommodation. That was what they told me in my discussions with them👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft How the Building Regs are enforced is down to individual councils and you are lucky with your Council. If a Council decides that enforcement action is necessary then it has 12 months to pursue it and thereafter through the Courts. Most Councils I deal with consider that if it is a habitable space i.e. that people live or work in it normally is the limit. A domestic garage is not a habitable space if you store your car in it, but use it as a gym or workshop and it is. If sleeping accommodation is the criteria then many, many uses would not be considered but that is not the case. The point is today many Council's Building Control Departments are devoid of the highly skilled inspectors, who have all left to join Approved Inspectors (the private version of Building Control), leaving those waiting for their pensions and those newly out of college.
Irrespective of whether the Building Regs technically apply, they are a fundamental document that informs of the minimum standards to be applied to buildings that are used by people in various areas like structure, waterproofing, insulation, drainage, electrical etc etc all defined under the banner of health and safety (not HSE).
@@clivewilliams3661 you’re perhaps reading a little too much into a slip of the tongue between newtons and kilograms. He’s quoting the supplier off the top of his head one year on. Seemed to do exactly the right thing to me and ask the supplier about the spec of their product. Not much left to luck there.
Is there something wrong with your arm. Do you have a disability. I struggle with two arms and having a disability. 😊
I lost the use of my right arm following a car crash in 2018 Debra. Only took woodworking up after this happened as I wanted to learn a new skill to help me with my physical and mental recovery from the crash. The nerve damage is permanent in my shoulder and arm though
Great video series mate, can you explain what flashing you used? You explained in previous videos but I'm thick! Barge on front and sides, and a drip tray on rear?! Thanks
@@TheRhinatron Thanks for the comment. Can’t remember exactly off the top of my head, barge boards on the sides, monopitch I think on the front, the drip edge went under the panels at the back with another one over the top. If you go onto the configurator on the panelsell website it will tell you all the ones you need 👍👍
@Hand-i-Craft great, thanks mate. Love the build, pad laid for mine last weekend!
@@TheRhinatron Best of luck with your build 👍👍