I’m glad that you mentioned Tony’s use of the volume control on his guitar being on 8 for rhythm and 10 for solos. I’ve been trying to get his sound from The End for awhile and despite having all the correct equipment it always sounded a little off but rolling back the volume to 8 pretty much nailed it! Btw that sounded great! 🤘🏻
I think you got very close. Probably the best Iommi tone I have heard other than Iommi himself. Hadn't ever seen a Naga Viper used but it may just be on my horizon. Great tone, great playing, great video!
Great video. Two weeks ago i finally got my Jaydee Old Boy relic after nearly a two year wait (one of the last before John passed) and now I need to work on what amp I'm gonna put it through. I'll definitely look to the Laney. I see a 3 watt Supergroup I'd like to try but I want to try it first. No one seems to carry Laney in stores.
You're nailing that tone I would say 98% honestly it sounds great. Probably one of the closest Iommi tones I've heard in all of the demo videos I've seen out there oh, and I have seen quite a few of them. I have personally owned both Epiphone Tony Iommi SG guitars the previous black one with the cross inlays and the latest release as well and honestly if you're going to buy one of them prepared to get a plek or fret job once you receive it because both of them had issues with the Frets straight out of the factory. That's why the Gibson's are a lot more money but they are handmade and perfect in every way. Out of the two honestly I would say the older model g400 with the cross inlays sounded more like Iommi with a sabbra cadabra pedal and a marshall amp versus the newer model. But that's just my opinion. If you look really hard you can find both out there used at a much cheaper price than the thousand dollars for a new one. I love these videos you're putting out man keep them coming.
@@TheDistortionPrinciple most Guitar Centers have some in stock if you want to go try one out. That's always helpful in making a big decision like that $1,000 for the epiphone or $2,400 for the Gibson it's still a hell of a lot of money to throw out for a guitar big decision.
sounds like a match to me, i am wondering how Iommi got that pick sound during The Thrill of it All... that airy picking stroke sound during the B slide up to D repeating riff. Thanks for sharing hope you get your SG.
@@bristol1312 I like mine a lot. I cheated and bought it used on reverb. 135$ I’ve only bought 2 of my 10 pedals new. It keeps the cost down a bit. If you like a Marshall plexi sound. Try a Nux plextortion,60$ new. 🖖🏻
You nailed it! Great tone I find for playing alone, I stopped trying to get his tone. Without Geezer, its not as enjoyable to me. Like the Sabbra Cadabra pedal nails the Live At Last era live tone. I bet it sounds great in a band mix. But for home alone, I prefer a Russian style Big Muff or an FGE Massif. I like a lot of low end. Tonys actual tone isn't very dark. Its together with Geezer that that makes the magic.
Sounded pretty good! If you can find one of the newer Epiphone Iommi's (I think 2014-17?) they're fantastic. Much closer to the real deal than the first iteration (which only had cross inlays going up until the 12th fret). Although the first lot had the same signature pickups at the time as the Gibson, I found them quite dark and much prefer the newer ones - I own both LOL. The more recent one I picked up second hand locally in Oz for $750AU still in the box with the documentation. Didn't look like it had been played either as I think it was a wall hanger for him LOL. And it seems like they've bought out recently a red Epiphone version with P90s as well, although definitely on the pricey side of things. You can get close with a lot of amps like Laneys and Marshalls, but I think the secret sauce is really the treble booster regardless of what brand you decide to go with. Rangemaster style treble boosters are pretty easy to make too if you have a little electronics knowledge. It's literally only a single transistor with a couple of resistors and caps. You could knock one up in an afternoon.
I go back and forth on grttign an SG with humbuckers vs the gibson iommi. I have a rather noisy environment with tons of noise interference. I probably wouldn't use P90s much because of that which makes me also consider the epiphone
@@TheDistortionPrinciple The two Epi Iommis I have do have Humbuckers in them. The newer Iommis have the P90s. But even Tony changed his P90s out for the JDs when he made him his signature guitar for the same reasons you stated. But there's something inherently special about P90's. Hopefully you can find a used one on Reverb or similar.
I think it sounds as close as it can for home use. I’ve been trying with pedals(Walpurgis, TI boost, Naga)and a pile of cheap tube amps but broke down and got the LA Studio and it’s perfect for me. You really need a Laney amp to get the right sound. If I could find a Klipp I’d probably sell a kidney to finance it.
The sound was spot on. Nice work. I was wondering about the Laney amp head on the bottom of the stack. What year and model is that one. It looks like the one I had that was from 84. It was before the AOR PRO TUBE LEAD
@@jips123 its a very noisy pedal but its simulating a cranked super group woth a treble booster in front which is gonna be noisy but yea if they could do something about that it would be so smooth
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I tried 18v on it and it's perfect! Strong and relatively noiseless..... Don't try this at home. Put it through my Leeds Tech21 pedal and it's great.
Good one. It sounded very good and very close, maybe bit too polished for my ears. It might be due to the JB pickup, that is very "voiced", compared to very neutral (and bit dark) that Tony had. So far, my closest treble booster for early Sabbath tones is EQD Bows in full mode. All in all, this is like 90-95 percent there.
This sounded lovely !! I have the la30 as well . What settings did you use to get the tone ? I bit the bullet and got the iommi Gibson SG. Just got it last week . I recommend it !!
Might I suggest the Epiphone SG Modern. It's basically the same as a Prophecy without the Fishman actives. The asymetrical neck and ebony fretboard is much better than what's offered on other SGs. I had one plek'd and it was excellent for the price. You can get the Modern Plek'd for the same price as the Iommi SG. You get the coil splitting and 24 frets also. Great bang for the buck!
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I couldn't recommend it more considering you can still pick them up for cheap, and if you can handle the weird blue color, Sweetwater had a Prophecy on discount recently also. With Fishmans for $699.
@@andrewbecker3700 i gotta pay off this warlord first but yea i see an SG in my future. Stull trying to decide on the gibson versus epi. I think the gibson would give me more pride and happiness but i dont know
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Hey, whatever it takes. Personally, I'd never waste my money on a Gibson. I like modding them too much. Putting EMGs and keystone tuners on my AJ sig. as soon as it arrives. Gibson is making Sweetwater hold them till the 14th.
How many Iommis does it take to properly Iommi? Mark. Mark many Iommis. That was killer! Cheers! Lol Edit: as an SG owner for many years, (‘08 special,) they are tricky and temperamental. They’re super thin and very comfortable to play, but they have quirks. If you get one, I suggest putting the tailpiece all the way down to the body and top wrapping with a wound Third string. Open chords sound kinda drunk otherwise. (Lollar imperial pups are a great replacement if you’re not happy with what they’re loaded with - though I adore Gibson’s 490 series.)
Damn I recently bought SG 61 and later bought Laney LA studio + Tony Iommi Boost and after watching this video I wanna buy this pedal - will this GAS thing ever end? :D Please do the comparison between Iommi Boost and Naga VIper. This would help my crushed bank account!
I'm getting another la30 and a tony iommi sg next year!. I ended up sellin most of m tuff to fund other stuf. Now i have a aor 50 watt combo. Rockerverb 50 hear and a bill kelliher sparrowhawk and a bc rich rich bich! Had to sell stuff to make that happen lol
You mean Iommi Boost or Naga Viper? I am not quite happy with Iommi boost to be honest, to much mud for me even with Bass on 0. Too less mids I had to boost them via EQ pedal. Got into the ballpark of Iron man but tone is still missing something, this gnarl it's missing and it's rather distorted like other amps do. Anyway I think I blew up the tube yesterday it started to rattle... Regarding GAS I get you. Was thinking bout this SG but ended with classic 61 SG gibbo - was more versatile for me. It's some part of the equation but is it crucial to have it?
Great video, great sound and great playing! What are your settings on the amp for the Iommi sound? I got the same amp, sounds awesome but generally I run around so it takes well my main fuzzy pedal.
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Thanks a lot So without an attenuator it will be impossible to get over 3 or 4 on a live situation I think. But if we follows this settings, I wonder how he had a clean tone at certain point... Rolling back completely his volume knob?
@@TheDistortionPrinciple yep Actually I try to be on the best of the 2 worlds. Get my main sound that is the pharaoh for Years but I would love to get the Iommi tone for rythm verses etc So it's not really easy to switch between the two.
Iommi's sound wasn't static. I think you got it into the ballpark, but it sounds a little too overdriven, too modern, IMO. I'm not how sure having the same rig guarantees matching any particular sound, as others on UA-cam have failed using the same model amps, which has made me think Iommi used modified rigs and a lot of his sound comes from his fingers, as stupid as that sounds. Also to that, I've gotten a clear match to the early sound with a Hiwatt I own, which are supposed to be known for clean headroom pedal platforms, using no pedals at all and without need for high volumes, with a cheap Chibson Les Paul to top it off. The stock bridge PU was way overwound giving me that modern metal sound I hate, so I swapped it with the neck one, because it had less wounds, so there's that ... I lucked out. My cab wasn't ordinary either, as I had a blown speaker and had to wire it to work with three celestions, which I know now has been done before to contribute to personalizing a guitar hero or two's sound. Tube amps are more tolerant to mismatched speaker rigs than solid state ones, so it was simply a matter of reconfiguring something that would work. I gather the sound I curated is a combination of an English tube amp, the speaker wiring, and a classic sounding PU. So no, you don't necessarily need the same rig, and you don't necessarily need a new guitar, but a more classic PU should help. I think Iommi started out with P90s, which is counter intuitive, given the predominance of humbuckers in the genre and how they can feedback, but makes sense as P90s being single coils retain highs and I've always found myself lacking in those frequencies with my sound reproduction. Changing the the guitar wiring to 50s style is my next mod, so as to improve my highs, especially when rolling back the volume. If I can figure out how to integrate bass cuts, rather than the ordinary tone controls, I will. My setup does a good early ACDC sound as well. It's quite flexible, or perhaps I'm fooling myself and it's my fingers. Last bit, I think the SG does sound different than the LP even with the same PUs installed. It's less full-bodied than the LP. The LP easily sounds muddy when overdriven, so there's that going for the SG, but it's never been more than a half baked prototype with all its tuning issues, and head dive. Sorry about the rant.
No need to be sorry! Its always great to hear someone elses approach and it sounds like you have a great working formula for yourself. I also think less hotter pickups would have worked better
@@danielspaniel101 that's a band aid solution to a design flaw. Speaking from experience with a guitar that head dived, resorting to the strap to hold the neck in position isn't comfortable while standing. The strap pulls forward on the skin under the shoulder where the strap hangs, giving a rug burn or, as we used to say, an Indian burn sensation. To avoid that, you either have to hold the guitar angle up by either lifting with the left hand, or applying downward pressure with the right forearm, again irritating the left shoulder where the strap lies. As for players playing SGs, listing off prayers who may have used it isn't proof that the SG isn't defective. Besides, Mary Ford never used an SG, to my knowledge. I assume she used an LP while with her husband, but highly unlikely she'd have used an SG post her divorce when the SG came out, especially since it was named after her ex husband. As for Eric Clapton, you do know he hasn't used an SG for half a century or there abouts. Hardly an endorsement. Trucks is the only one from your list who plays an SG today, and best as I recall he plays it sitting down, which allows for more positional stability due to forearm and leg pressure, forming a fulcrum. That's not ideal, and it doesn't mean the SG created his talent. All it means is that he's developed his prowess despite the shortcomings of his instrument. Again, that's not a glowing endorsement. Personally, I might play one with a Bigsby to counter act the head dive, but that adds more weight. I've thought it has to be redesigned with a thicker body at least to add weight, perhaps from heavier/denser wood, or with an offset horn. And there's tons of wasted real estate on the bottom side, with the controls way off in the distance. I hate how close they are on a Strat, but the positioning on an SG is ridiculously far. It's just not a well thought out design, and probably why Les Paul insisted Gibson take his name off of it. And then there's the poor ergonomics of Gibson guitars as a whole, with their binding on the body, rather than contoured edges, let alone the excessive weight of many Gibson designs. There is one saving grace of Gibson guitars, and that's the arch top angle enables an ergonomic positioning of my right wrist, avoiding Carpal Tunnel Syndrome or tendonitis, which I have gotten at various times. On the other hand, the way at least the LP hangs, my left shoulder is way too externally rotated, so it feels like it's being put into a wrestling lock. Gibsons just aren't well designed, have never had a clue what goes into properly designed guitars, and simply coasting on their reputation and the happenstance that their PAF humbucker overdrove amps better than other guitar's pickups, in a time when it was harder to get that sound, as well as that their guitars have better sustain than say Fenders. There's a middle ground, a better guitar, and Gibsons aren't it.
Hey Bro, another question, So is what your saying is that the Gain on lets say 2-3 , is the same volume (loudness) as when its on 9-10 ? Also what speakers / cabinet are you using. Some / most of the videos i've seen demoing this amp it sounds so dark, your videos it sounds awesome ? thanks again. Still going back and forth between the jcm800 studio or the this Laney ? lol ... I'm looking for a killer low watt amp (nothing above 30watts) To tone stack fuzz, distortion boost pedals etc. Looking for that Modern (past 10 years or so) live Electric Wizard / Sleep sound.
At 9 or 10 it will get a little louder but its always loud. I used laney cab IRs. I would suggest the laney la studio. Its this amp but with only 3 watts which will be a loud 3 watts. And has built in cab IR ability so you could actually run the same cabs that i do
No, dont want the 3 watt, want to get something a little bigger. I already ordered a Fryette ps-2 power station attenuator. Think im going to go with one of the Marshall 20 watt studios, the 800 or the plexi ? With a Marshall cab still thinking and researching, can always get Laney LA30 later, i think the Marshall cab would add some brightness to The LA30 anyway. I just keep watching those Electric Wizard live videos from the past 5 years or so, their Hellfest show last year sounded killer and they have stacks of Marshalls on stage, same with Cathedral when they were together jcm 800s. ?
@@TheDistortionPrinciple hey bro, just wanted to let you know i got the jcm 800 studio, bought the 2x12 1936 can with the celestion gt12-75 in it, not the cab they were pushing that accompanies the head. Got a fuzzlord fu-2, got the Earthquaker Acapulco Gold, got RAT, i also already had a Pharaoh Fuzz and i had a old Keeley time machine boost. I also got the Fryette ps-2 power station attenuator- power amp. and it DOOOMS... Having a blast with it.
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Hey Bro, Question. In the past week i have become interested in running my guitar and amp heads into my computer. I kinda got the jist of it (not really lol) So when i got my new rig a few weeks ago i got a Fryette power station attenuator i can run line out to a audio interface, then i hook that up into my computer. Its the speaker part (i want to get studio monitors) i'm not getting, how do you get to choose on a computer the cabinets or speakers i want to send out to my speakers to emulate that sound, if you plug monitor speakers into the computer , how does the signal of lets say an orange 2x12 with V30S from the computer program get sent back out to the speakers ??? confused, but i'll get it. Any help would be appreciated. thanks, hope this wasn't explained to confusing...
I want 2 butt in .. for a second on your guitar idea...... may I suggest the monkey 2 guitar.. by mortez the 13 tour .. one... I think $3.900. Or straight up jaydee oldboy... $4400 range
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I have not, but I haven't read about any MIK Dunable lemons yet either, so there's that. Still, there's something about a MIA guitar that just.... satisfies. Not knocking their import line, but if it were up to me I'd save a little extra and snag a MIA Dunable. Also, that 25.5" scale neck really makes a difference too. That, and your Iommi tone sounded eff'ing amazing.
Damn close and great playing dude! But an Epi/Gibson SG WITH P90s is what you need to complete your tone. The JB sounds slightly too much like you'd expect, regardless of amp and effects (JBs always sound easily identifiable). The P90s will make the difference to nail it 99%.
@@TheDistortionPrinciple would make the difference definitely, but then you'd write that guitar off as your 'sabbath' axe. And it sounds so good - and unique - for your BM/DM riffing. Most BM guitarists use actives or whatever stock passives are on board from what I can see, a JB is maybe on 'odd' choice for blackened DM - but it's killer!
@@TheDistortionPrinciple and Bro please never completely lay Spellcraft to rest, 'Falling' is absolutely brilliant in its consistency and power, in my opinion a USBM classic. Seriously.
This is spot on. My jaw dropped when you played Sweet Leaf and Into the Void. Spectacular tone!
Thanks!
I’m glad that you mentioned Tony’s use of the volume control on his guitar being on 8 for rhythm and 10 for solos. I’ve been trying to get his sound from The End for awhile and despite having all the correct equipment it always sounded a little off but rolling back the volume to 8 pretty much nailed it! Btw that sounded great! 🤘🏻
Thank you! And yep its all the little subtle things that add up for the bigger picture
That tone has the ability to make you happy and hateful at the same time YOU HAVE BEEN DOOMED!!!!!
Indeed!
Killer video. Sounds great to me. Sabbath is one of those bands that, the more I hear their songs, the more I enjoy them..
Always a pleasure to listen to and the songs never get old
I think you got very close. Probably the best Iommi tone I have heard other than Iommi himself. Hadn't ever seen a Naga Viper used but it may just be on my horizon. Great tone, great playing, great video!
Oh wow!!! Quite a compliment! Thank you!
Great video. Two weeks ago i finally got my Jaydee Old Boy relic after nearly a two year wait (one of the last before John passed) and now I need to work on what amp I'm gonna put it through. I'll definitely look to the Laney. I see a 3 watt Supergroup I'd like to try but I want to try it first. No one seems to carry Laney in stores.
Yes… great tone!
Yea its great to find out the secret tone sauce
Your sound when you played "Children of the Grave" rang true to me.
Thanks!!!
Oh oh oh the Tone -eh. So so much tone-eh…. You really have it figured out… I roll over in envy… turning green.
Toneh!!!!
You're nailing that tone I would say 98% honestly it sounds great. Probably one of the closest Iommi tones I've heard in all of the demo videos I've seen out there oh, and I have seen quite a few of them. I have personally owned both Epiphone Tony Iommi SG guitars the previous black one with the cross inlays and the latest release as well and honestly if you're going to buy one of them prepared to get a plek or fret job once you receive it because both of them had issues with the Frets straight out of the factory. That's why the Gibson's are a lot more money but they are handmade and perfect in every way. Out of the two honestly I would say the older model g400 with the cross inlays sounded more like Iommi with a sabbra cadabra pedal and a marshall amp versus the newer model. But that's just my opinion. If you look really hard you can find both out there used at a much cheaper price than the thousand dollars for a new one. I love these videos you're putting out man keep them coming.
My buddy has the new iommi gibson sg and he says the electronics in it are some of the best
@@TheDistortionPrinciple yes the electronics are amazing they use Alpha pots and wiring and the P90 pickups are awesome
@@michaelorourke7032 dont make me spend the money lol
@@TheDistortionPrinciple most Guitar Centers have some in stock if you want to go try one out. That's always helpful in making a big decision like that $1,000 for the epiphone or $2,400 for the Gibson it's still a hell of a lot of money to throw out for a guitar big decision.
Maybe you could sneak a camera into a Guitar Center and do a shootout between the two guitars LOL
Lord of this world! one of my faves! amazing tone! nailed it!
Its perfection!!!
Easily the best Iommi tone on UA-cam, well done sir
Wow!!!! Thanks!
sounds like a match to me, i am wondering how Iommi got that pick sound during The Thrill of it All... that airy picking stroke sound during the B slide up to D repeating riff. Thanks for sharing hope you get your SG.
I cheated, I bought a sabbra cadbra. Damn that laney sounds so good! And definitely thanks for the riff lesson!☠️☠️☠️
Its such a great amp! The sabbra is a cool pedal as well
Is the sabbra worth getting? Everyone says it’s a noisy pedal. Just read a lot of bad reviews. Been wanting one but don’t wanna waste 200$
@@bristol1312 I like mine a lot. I cheated and bought it used on reverb. 135$ I’ve only bought 2 of my 10 pedals new. It keeps the cost down a bit. If you like a Marshall plexi sound. Try a Nux plextortion,60$ new. 🖖🏻
You nailed it! Great tone
I find for playing alone, I stopped trying to get his tone. Without Geezer, its not as enjoyable to me. Like the Sabbra Cadabra pedal nails the Live At Last era live tone. I bet it sounds great in a band mix. But for home alone, I prefer a Russian style Big Muff or an FGE Massif. I like a lot of low end. Tonys actual tone isn't very dark. Its together with Geezer that that makes the magic.
Yea i think thats what made my vidoe work. I had bass in there to glue it all together!
You nailed it ❤️, Tony iommi is proud
Thanks!
Just Awesome, some day I'll be there, thanks to you.
This definitely sounded like Iommi!
Thanks!!!
Sounded pretty good!
If you can find one of the newer Epiphone Iommi's (I think 2014-17?) they're fantastic. Much closer to the real deal than the first iteration (which only had cross inlays going up until the 12th fret). Although the first lot had the same signature pickups at the time as the Gibson, I found them quite dark and much prefer the newer ones - I own both LOL. The more recent one I picked up second hand locally in Oz for $750AU still in the box with the documentation. Didn't look like it had been played either as I think it was a wall hanger for him LOL.
And it seems like they've bought out recently a red Epiphone version with P90s as well, although definitely on the pricey side of things.
You can get close with a lot of amps like Laneys and Marshalls, but I think the secret sauce is really the treble booster regardless of what brand you decide to go with. Rangemaster style treble boosters are pretty easy to make too if you have a little electronics knowledge. It's literally only a single transistor with a couple of resistors and caps. You could knock one up in an afternoon.
I go back and forth on grttign an SG with humbuckers vs the gibson iommi. I have a rather noisy environment with tons of noise interference. I probably wouldn't use P90s much because of that which makes me also consider the epiphone
@@TheDistortionPrinciple The two Epi Iommis I have do have Humbuckers in them. The newer Iommis have the P90s. But even Tony changed his P90s out for the JDs when he made him his signature guitar for the same reasons you stated. But there's something inherently special about P90's.
Hopefully you can find a used one on Reverb or similar.
I think it sounds as close as it can for home use. I’ve been trying with pedals(Walpurgis, TI boost, Naga)and a pile of cheap tube amps but broke down and got the LA Studio and it’s perfect for me. You really need a Laney amp to get the right sound. If I could find a Klipp I’d probably sell a kidney to finance it.
@@ACE-hv5sw those studio amps are so damn good
master Lord Iommi
my Uncle
The sound was spot on. Nice work. I was wondering about the Laney amp head on the bottom of the stack. What year and model is that one. It looks like the one I had that was from 84. It was before the AOR PRO TUBE LEAD
This is the newer 30 watts
Yes, 90% there man! Get that SG !!
I just put a phat cat p90 in that guitar as a test to see if i can get the rest of the way there! Bought an explorer so the sg has to wait
Yeah, I think your Lord of this World/Master of Reality tone is quality!
That was the first part I played after getting this pedal and I was like a little kid on Christmas
Great tone!
Thanks, gotta give it to the naga viper. Instantly gets you there
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I am struggling with Saba Cadabra. It is terrible noise fest.
@@jips123 its a very noisy pedal but its simulating a cranked super group woth a treble booster in front which is gonna be noisy but yea if they could do something about that it would be so smooth
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I tried 18v on it and it's perfect! Strong and relatively noiseless..... Don't try this at home. Put it through my Leeds Tech21 pedal and it's great.
Good one. It sounded very good and very close, maybe bit too polished for my ears. It might be due to the JB pickup, that is very "voiced", compared to very neutral (and bit dark) that Tony had.
So far, my closest treble booster for early Sabbath tones is EQD Bows in full mode.
All in all, this is like 90-95 percent there.
Thanks! Literally less than 5 minutes ago I was reading a thread about the bows
Badass!
I dont think an SG will make a discernible difference. The tone is spot on.
Also has locking tuners with a maple cap.
Damn i need to pay off the warlord quick!
Amazing work. Tone is killer - the Naga Viper sounds amazing. How would you say it compares with Iommi Boost? Fabulous video.
The naga will get you more if a 70s tone and the iommi boost mire if a 90s to today tone
Great video. The Naga Viper, is the one. I stuck with this one. If you're using IRs from Torpedo, give the Laney cab with the seh421 Mike.
Yep! Thats the cab i use. I use the laney with goodmans and that microphone
@@TheDistortionPrinciple it did sound spot on dude
@@kieronde-courci yea it was quite surprising!
This sounded lovely !! I have the la30 as well . What settings did you use to get the tone ? I bit the bullet and got the iommi Gibson SG. Just got it last week . I recommend it !!
Congrats on the guitar. I havd the amp as follows. Pres 9 bass 0 mid 9 treble 9 gain 8.
Pedal range was 3/4 heat full on 10 and boost 3/4
Sounds like you nailed it. Are you using an attenuator? I appreciate any comments or suggestions.
Thanks! Yes i use two notes captor and IRs
I’d say it was 90% there, but a JB is a far cry from the P90 most of his iconic work used. That’s probably 9% of the difference.
Yea! I try a duncan phat cat for awhile and it got really close
nice
Might I suggest the Epiphone SG Modern. It's basically the same as a Prophecy without the Fishman actives. The asymetrical neck and ebony fretboard is much better than what's offered on other SGs. I had one plek'd and it was excellent for the price. You can get the Modern Plek'd for the same price as the Iommi SG. You get the coil splitting and 24 frets also. Great bang for the buck!
Ohhh never thought about that model. I had a sg muse for awhile and it was very good
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I couldn't recommend it more considering you can still pick them up for cheap, and if you can handle the weird blue color, Sweetwater had a Prophecy on discount recently also. With Fishmans for $699.
@@andrewbecker3700 i gotta pay off this warlord first but yea i see an SG in my future. Stull trying to decide on the gibson versus epi. I think the gibson would give me more pride and happiness but i dont know
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Hey, whatever it takes. Personally, I'd never waste my money on a Gibson. I like modding them too much. Putting EMGs and keystone tuners on my AJ sig. as soon as it arrives. Gibson is making Sweetwater hold them till the 14th.
@@andrewbecker3700 nice love emgs in a mahogany guitar
🤘😈🤘🔥🔥🔥
Goodman speakers!
Celestion
I remember those
What do they use now?
I can look it up in a few,maybe a celestion g 75?
Oh the wonderful Tone-eh. Just endless phenomenal tone-eh. Seriously, you nailed it like Christ to some old wood. Great Video!!!❤
Lol! Thanks dude!
👍👍👍
How many Iommis does it take to properly Iommi?
Mark. Mark many Iommis.
That was killer! Cheers! Lol
Edit: as an SG owner for many years, (‘08 special,) they are tricky and temperamental. They’re super thin and very comfortable to play, but they have quirks. If you get one, I suggest putting the tailpiece all the way down to the body and top wrapping with a wound Third string. Open chords sound kinda drunk otherwise. (Lollar imperial pups are a great replacement if you’re not happy with what they’re loaded with - though I adore Gibson’s 490 series.)
Lol all the iommi's!!!! Yea I've owned like 3 sg guitar and always really enjoyed them
Damn I recently bought SG 61 and later bought Laney LA studio + Tony Iommi Boost and after watching this video I wanna buy this pedal - will this GAS thing ever end? :D Please do the comparison between Iommi Boost and Naga VIper. This would help my crushed bank account!
This is closer i think to classic tony tone! I dont have both of the pedals or the l30 anymore
I'm getting another la30 and a tony iommi sg next year!. I ended up sellin most of m tuff to fund other stuf. Now i have a aor 50 watt combo. Rockerverb 50 hear and a bill kelliher sparrowhawk and a bc rich rich bich! Had to sell stuff to make that happen lol
You mean Iommi Boost or Naga Viper? I am not quite happy with Iommi boost to be honest, to much mud for me even with Bass on 0. Too less mids I had to boost them via EQ pedal. Got into the ballpark of Iron man but tone is still missing something, this gnarl it's missing and it's rather distorted like other amps do. Anyway I think I blew up the tube yesterday it started to rattle... Regarding GAS I get you. Was thinking bout this SG but ended with classic 61 SG gibbo - was more versatile for me. It's some part of the equation but is it crucial to have it?
@@mikem5685 the naga seems to get ya a bit closer to the classlc tone
Almost there...
Just need the guitar
Great video, great sound and great playing!
What are your settings on the amp for the Iommi sound? I got the same amp, sounds awesome but generally I run around so it takes well my main fuzzy pedal.
Fron left to right it should have been 7 1 7 7 8 in the dials and plugged in the bottom bass input
If you want to really get closer he supposedly cranked all the dials but kept the bass at 0. Turned the guitar volume down to 8
@@TheDistortionPrinciple
Thanks a lot
So without an attenuator it will be impossible to get over 3 or 4 on a live situation I think. But if we follows this settings, I wonder how he had a clean tone at certain point... Rolling back completely his volume knob?
@@zerosadness yea its probably just rolling back, plus in those days it was p90s
@@TheDistortionPrinciple yep
Actually I try to be on the best of the 2 worlds. Get my main sound that is the pharaoh for Years but I would love to get the Iommi tone for rythm verses etc
So it's not really easy to switch between the two.
The question is with getting an SG,
should one get the p90 version or the paf version ?
Tough choices. Guess it depends which era younwant the sound of and my anseer is all eras! Lol
Nice tone matching. Where could I find the IRs you used?
They are two notes IRs you woukd have to use their wall of sound software or cabm or something to access them
@@TheDistortionPrinciple thanks for the info.
@@vidma6 yep no problem! Look up the laney cabs and find the one with Goodman speakers. Though all the laney cabs sound great
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Naga Viper eh ?
@@Nigel-ry1po naga viper is great. Thry made a v2 recently as well
Iommi's sound wasn't static. I think you got it into the ballpark, but it sounds a little too overdriven, too modern, IMO.
I'm not how sure having the same rig guarantees matching any particular sound, as others on UA-cam have failed using the same model amps, which has made me think Iommi used modified rigs and a lot of his sound comes from his fingers, as stupid as that sounds.
Also to that, I've gotten a clear match to the early sound with a Hiwatt I own, which are supposed to be known for clean headroom pedal platforms, using no pedals at all and without need for high volumes, with a cheap Chibson Les Paul to top it off.
The stock bridge PU was way overwound giving me that modern metal sound I hate, so I swapped it with the neck one, because it had less wounds, so there's that ... I lucked out.
My cab wasn't ordinary either, as I had a blown speaker and had to wire it to work with three celestions, which I know now has been done before to contribute to personalizing a guitar hero or two's sound.
Tube amps are more tolerant to mismatched speaker rigs than solid state ones, so it was simply a matter of reconfiguring something that would work.
I gather the sound I curated is a combination of an English tube amp, the speaker wiring, and a classic sounding PU.
So no, you don't necessarily need the same rig, and you don't necessarily need a new guitar, but a more classic PU should help.
I think Iommi started out with P90s, which is counter intuitive, given the predominance of humbuckers in the genre and how they can feedback, but makes sense as P90s being single coils retain highs and I've always found myself lacking in those frequencies with my sound reproduction.
Changing the the guitar wiring to 50s style is my next mod, so as to improve my highs, especially when rolling back the volume.
If I can figure out how to integrate bass cuts, rather than the ordinary tone controls, I will.
My setup does a good early ACDC sound as well. It's quite flexible, or perhaps I'm fooling myself and it's my fingers.
Last bit, I think the SG does sound different than the LP even with the same PUs installed. It's less full-bodied than the LP. The LP easily sounds muddy when overdriven, so there's that going for the SG, but it's never been more than a half baked prototype with all its tuning issues, and head dive.
Sorry about the rant.
No need to be sorry! Its always great to hear someone elses approach and it sounds like you have a great working formula for yourself. I also think less hotter pickups would have worked better
@@danielspaniel101 that's a band aid solution to a design flaw.
Speaking from experience with a guitar that head dived, resorting to the strap to hold the neck in position isn't comfortable while standing. The strap pulls forward on the skin under the shoulder where the strap hangs, giving a rug burn or, as we used to say, an Indian burn sensation.
To avoid that, you either have to hold the guitar angle up by either lifting with the left hand, or applying downward pressure with the right forearm, again irritating the left shoulder where the strap lies.
As for players playing SGs, listing off prayers who may have used it isn't proof that the SG isn't defective.
Besides, Mary Ford never used an SG, to my knowledge. I assume she used an LP while with her husband, but highly unlikely she'd have used an SG post her divorce when the SG came out, especially since it was named after her ex husband.
As for Eric Clapton, you do know he hasn't used an SG for half a century or there abouts. Hardly an endorsement.
Trucks is the only one from your list who plays an SG today, and best as I recall he plays it sitting down, which allows for more positional stability due to forearm and leg pressure, forming a fulcrum.
That's not ideal, and it doesn't mean the SG created his talent. All it means is that he's developed his prowess despite the shortcomings of his instrument. Again, that's not a glowing endorsement.
Personally, I might play one with a Bigsby to counter act the head dive, but that adds more weight. I've thought it has to be redesigned with a thicker body at least to add weight, perhaps from heavier/denser wood, or with an offset horn. And there's tons of wasted real estate on the bottom side, with the controls way off in the distance. I hate how close they are on a Strat, but the positioning on an SG is ridiculously far. It's just not a well thought out design, and probably why Les Paul insisted Gibson take his name off of it.
And then there's the poor ergonomics of Gibson guitars as a whole, with their binding on the body, rather than contoured edges, let alone the excessive weight of many Gibson designs.
There is one saving grace of Gibson guitars, and that's the arch top angle enables an ergonomic positioning of my right wrist, avoiding Carpal Tunnel Syndrome or tendonitis, which I have gotten at various times.
On the other hand, the way at least the LP hangs, my left shoulder is way too externally rotated, so it feels like it's being put into a wrestling lock.
Gibsons just aren't well designed, have never had a clue what goes into properly designed guitars, and simply coasting on their reputation and the happenstance that their PAF humbucker overdrove amps better than other guitar's pickups, in a time when it was harder to get that sound, as well as that their guitars have better sustain than say Fenders. There's a middle ground, a better guitar, and Gibsons aren't it.
Hey Bro, another question, So is what your saying is that the Gain on lets say 2-3 , is the same volume (loudness) as when its on 9-10 ? Also what speakers / cabinet are you using. Some / most of the videos i've seen demoing this amp it sounds so dark, your videos it sounds awesome ? thanks again. Still going back and forth between the jcm800 studio or the this Laney ? lol ... I'm looking for a killer low watt amp (nothing above 30watts) To tone stack fuzz, distortion boost pedals etc. Looking for that Modern (past 10 years or so) live Electric Wizard / Sleep sound.
At 9 or 10 it will get a little louder but its always loud. I used laney cab IRs. I would suggest the laney la studio. Its this amp but with only 3 watts which will be a loud 3 watts. And has built in cab IR ability so you could actually run the same cabs that i do
No, dont want the 3 watt, want to get something a little bigger. I already ordered a Fryette ps-2 power station attenuator. Think im going to go with one of the Marshall 20 watt studios, the 800 or the plexi ? With a Marshall cab still thinking and researching, can always get Laney LA30 later, i think the Marshall cab would add some brightness to The LA30 anyway.
I just keep watching those Electric Wizard live videos from the past 5 years or so, their Hellfest show last year sounded killer and they have stacks of Marshalls on stage, same with Cathedral when they were together jcm 800s. ?
@@johnwolff3206 those marshall amps aren't bad either and they have sone cool modern features like power scaling and fx loops
@@TheDistortionPrinciple hey bro, just wanted to let you know i got the jcm 800 studio, bought the 2x12 1936 can with the celestion gt12-75 in it, not the cab they were pushing that accompanies the head.
Got a fuzzlord fu-2, got the Earthquaker Acapulco Gold, got RAT, i also already had a Pharaoh Fuzz and i had a old Keeley time machine boost.
I also got the Fryette ps-2 power station attenuator- power amp.
and it DOOOMS...
Having a blast with it.
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Hey Bro, Question.
In the past week i have become interested in running my guitar and amp heads into my computer. I kinda got the jist of it (not really lol) So when i got my new rig a few weeks ago i got a Fryette power station attenuator i can run line out to a audio interface, then i hook that up into my computer. Its the speaker part (i want to get studio monitors) i'm not getting, how do you get to choose on a computer the cabinets or speakers i want to send out to my speakers to emulate that sound, if you plug monitor speakers into the computer , how does the signal of lets say an orange 2x12 with V30S from the computer program get sent back out to the speakers ??? confused, but i'll get it. Any help would be appreciated. thanks, hope this wasn't explained to confusing...
is that LTD the 256 or 1000? Or ... ? Either way what do you think of it?
Its a 256 and I've kept it longer than the other guitars i have. Its a great guitar and very affordable
@@TheDistortionPrinciple thanks. i'm leaning heavily towards getting one, but also looking at older Epiphone SGs
@@randyburnett7285 the new epiphones are very good as well
where did the lil Tony's go???
Lol! Saving those for actual pedal demos
Bro how about a Spellcraft Falling shirt?
I could maybe make one! The short company i use is expensive
I use teespring
guitar-tv.creator-spring.com/listing/spellcraft-falling-forever
I made one here!
@@TheDistortionPrinciple respect Bro! Awesome!
I want 2 butt in .. for a second on your guitar idea...... may I suggest the monkey 2 guitar.. by mortez the 13 tour .. one... I think $3.900. Or straight up jaydee oldboy... $4400 range
Also as a gear... head myself. You were gonna spend that much on stuff any way
.... lol
Jaydee made me a set of "white boy "pickups... 2019 4 around $460 ... waited maybe 4 months... just saying
I dont have that kinda money lol
Instead of an SG consider getting a Dunable Cyclops, as they're pretty much a perfected SG as is.
Ive got a warlord from does it doom on preorder but i do want a dunable!
@@TheDistortionPrinciple MIA Dunable ftw. Just saying. Best guitar I've ever owned.
@@harryanderson7282 have you tried it next to an import?
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I have not, but I haven't read about any MIK Dunable lemons yet either, so there's that.
Still, there's something about a MIA guitar that just.... satisfies. Not knocking their import line, but if it were up to me I'd save a little extra and snag a MIA Dunable. Also, that 25.5" scale neck really makes a difference too.
That, and your Iommi tone sounded eff'ing amazing.
@@harryanderson7282 thank you so much! I'll have to check the MIA line out
Damn close and great playing dude! But an Epi/Gibson SG WITH P90s is what you need to complete your tone. The JB sounds slightly too much like you'd expect, regardless of amp and effects (JBs always sound easily identifiable). The P90s will make the difference to nail it 99%.
I wonder how humbucker size p90s would sound in that guitar
@@TheDistortionPrinciple would make the difference definitely, but then you'd write that guitar off as your 'sabbath' axe. And it sounds so good - and unique - for your BM/DM riffing. Most BM guitarists use actives or whatever stock passives are on board from what I can see, a JB is maybe on 'odd' choice for blackened DM - but it's killer!
@@mikerauter1859 good point!
@@mikerauter1859 i just need one of all, single coil, p90, hums and actives
@@TheDistortionPrinciple and Bro please never completely lay Spellcraft to rest, 'Falling' is absolutely brilliant in its consistency and power, in my opinion a USBM classic. Seriously.
How loud is Shit ?
@@philheath9854 slightly more loud than hell
Nope ti boost way better than naga