Should trans women be in women's prisons? Re: Blaire White
Вставка
- Опубліковано 2 січ 2021
- [CW: vague discussion of sexual violence] An abolitionist responds to Blaire White's arguments for putting trans people in trans prison units.
Listen to the voices of currently/formerly incarcerated folks! (I'm not formerly incarcerated)
Comrade Alyssa: / comradealyssa
The Marshall Project's Life Inside series: www.themarshallproject.org/ta...
Dominique Morgan (executive director of Black and Pink): • 788,401 Minutes | Domi...
Parole for Joe vanderford, an incarcerated trans man: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FA...
Citations and Resources:
No-touch policy: shadowproof.com/2019/09/30/tr...
Layleen's story: www.washingtonpost.com/nation...
Organizing for Layleen Xtravaganza-Polanco: shadowproof.com/2020/01/14/ho...
NBC article on how trans people are placed in prisons: www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-o...
California legislation: apnews.com/article/prisons-ge...
Trans carceral feminism v. trans abolition: watch/live/?...
How to make abolitionist reforms: abolitionanddisabilityjustice...
No New Jails campaign: gothamist.com/news/what-would...
National Center for Transgender Equality's "Standing with LGBT Prisoners": transequality.org/sites/defau...
"Unjust: How the broken criminal justice system fails LGBT people": www.lgbtmap.org/file/lgbt-cri...
Videos references:
Blaire White's video: • Exposing Trans Predato...
Vaush's segment: • Blaire White DOES IT A...
Kat Blaque's video: • Video
Pronouns: they/them/theirs
Instagram, Twitter and TikTok: @genderthrash
Facebook: / genderthrash
Want to support my content? Join my Patreon: / genderdeceiverclub
Want to tip me for my work? here's my ko-fi: ko-fi.com/milostewart
“No one should be in prison”
Gurl what the actual fuck
Prison doesn't address any of the issues and just makes problems worse.
You want to keep society bad just to satisfy your hate?
Also. They're not a girl.
@@theaureliasys6362 So you think people should just walk around free when they've comitted a crime? This is stupid.
If a person who happens to be Trans commits a crime, then yes they need prosecuted and put in prison. Same as anyone else, being Trans doesn’t exclude you from that.
That's not the argument though.
@@KalinTheZola Umm.... it is. You do bad stuff, you suffer the consequences. Ever heard of that meme?
"Repercussions... for my actions?"
@@aisling7540 I never said that lmao
I'm saying that that is a completely separate issue and not the argument being made. Learn syntax.
@@KalinTheZola I never said you said that.
Also, syntax is the arrangement of words to create a cohesive sentence. You're thinking of the word context.
Nevertheless, can you counterargue?
@@aisling7540 I thought you didn't understand the arrangement of my words and thought I was saying something different, my mistake.
There's no point in counterarguing it when it's not being argued. Of fucking course anyone doing a crime should be prosecuted and put into prison. That's not being argued against.
Let me just say, as someone who has been to prison, it's safer for trans people to be put into a separate unit to protect THEM from violence as well. I had seen many instances of trans women who had been attacked by other inmates. I don't think people think about that. Unfortunately the only way they know how to "protect" people is to separate them
NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. Prison is prison. Take your equality. No special treatment.
Yeah don't be evil. Then you get no punishment
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 The prisoners themselves are giving "special treatment" to cis men by not commit as much violence, as well as sexual violence against them.
Why did u arrested
Men not women
Did you just say that nobody should be in prison!?
Ikr I had to rewatch that part a couple times
It's called abolitionism, you might want to look it up
Yes.
Yeah, that’s why they say at the beginning of the video that they’re an abolitionist
Chat Noir and that makes it better?
If you're so against prisons, why don't you volunteer to house a criminal? Would you trust them just because they're trans? 😂
Ok, now you’re being ridiculous. Milo never said criminals who are trans are automatically better, or more trustworthy, or less dangerous than criminals who are cis, I don't know where you got that from. All they alluded to was that the American prison system is all about business, which is true. They don’t focus on rehabilitation at all, capitalise on mass incarceration (to make money, not to “protect society”), and the living conditions are… medieval, to say the least (overcrowding, high rates of STDs and other diseases, very poor hygiene, limited access to medical care, basic human rights violations, etc, etc). There’s a huge problem with the American prison system, and most people (even conservatives) agree it needs to be reformed. Milo said they believed in a whole new and different kind of institution, so acting like they downplayed the issue of crime and said that nothing should be done about it is very disingenuous.
@@melancolie83 if they break the law, it's not my problem where they go, they don't have my sympathy
@@melancolie83 people don't care if a rapist or murderer or child molester has poor healthcare, hygiene, or an STD. don't care whatsoever. It isnt a resort, it's prison. It's suppose to be terrible.
@@kjm1529 you know it's not just those three types of criminals that are in prison, right? You only chose the worst type of crime to justify absolutely inhumane conditions.
Coming from someone who’s been to prison, it’s necessary for trans to have their own units.. simply because even though we’re working to become a politically correct society and have all the appropriate and nice sounding labels and terms for each person, all that shit goes out the window once in prison..
A Completely different way of life..chaotic and quite dangerous. So you need to separate people, for their own safety.
...or you just dont commit crimes
Prisons are a form of punishment. If they're dangerous, then that's the punishment
Well there was the pregnant inmates by trans woman in a nj prison this week
@@boblester8641 im a trans women and cant get people pregnant no reason for me to be housed with men
@@marioluigi9599 duh but like that’s not how the world works for those who aren’t privileged like you
It's like people totally align themselves with a color or side. They never think about the issue. Trans people *need* to be housed in a separate ward.
They don't deserve the tax dollars. If you wanna be a man, well....tough.
The solution that no one ever talks about: divide inmates according to felony; and isolate sex offenders.
Isolation is torture, no matter the crime someone committed.
@@quinnj3296 still, isolation is better for sex offenders. the unfortunate reality is that sex offenders usually are sexually abused by other inmates. isolation will both protect the sex offenders and the rest of the inmate population.
@@quinnj3296 of course, just so no one misunderstands me, prison is the most efficient crime school, go in a petty thief and come out a master drug lord, go in for tax evasion and come out knowing how to hide a body. Inmates should definitely be divided by felony, to keep the ones with a chance at rehabilitation away from crime university.
Prison is a punishment not a reformatory school
@@heavenbounddeath32 Exactly, and that's the problem.
I feel this video totally mischaracterises Blair's arguments. Why not have an online conversation about it?
I definitely misunderstood Blaire's argument while I was filming, but I tried to correct myself in editing. I definitely could have been more clear, so I'm glad you watched the original to understand it better. The point of this video isn't to change Blaire's mind at all (I don't think that will happen), it's more so to share information about abolition and the effects of reform.
@@MiloStewart Thank you for your reply, and given the complexity of the subject it is difficult to provide clarity. I definitely agree that the US prison / criminal justice system needs drastic reform. Do any other countries provide a roadmap you would consider following? Here in the UK, whilst far from perfect, at least it is a public service (mostly) and therefore not so financially incentivised to incarcerate people. Which nations do you think provide better examples?
Further, given reform is a slow process do you think that there should be a blanket policy for trans people or exceptions made for convicts such as Barbie Kardashian (MTF Trans) who has a long history of violence against women, and has assaulted several female inmates compared to people sentenced to non violent crimes? I'd really appreciate your perspective and my apologies if I didn't get this info from your video. Have a nice day.
Considering the comments seem so positive and the like to dislike shows differently. Something smells fishy down here
blaire's goons bombarded the vid with dislikes then left
@The Beast of Krop Tor nah
@The Beast of Krop Tor *they*
@@heyheyitshaze Blaire is just pathetic, man.
@@PMCFrontLines ikr. To think I used to be a fan...
Nobody should be in prison???? Are you fucking kidding?
This might come as a shock, but it's actually healthy to hear what others have to say even if it's a different opinion from your own. It isn't always a personal attack, just giving you a different perspective.
Congrats, u've managed to misinterpret 90% of Blaire's arguments. Here's a round of applause for ya -_-
What do you mean by trans people shouldn’t be in prison/no one should be in prison?? Some people are a danger to society because they hurt children etc should they not be kept away so that they can’t reoffend?? So misleading..
A man (who thinks he’s a woman/trans woman) literally preyed on a child recently. He needs to be in a men’s prison.
@@jbb8261 exactly!!!
I was in state prison in 2012 to 2014 and I deserved it I was a menace. Drugs drugs drugs. There some dangerous people there and good too
Sooooo... People should "choose" which prison they want to be in or is it forced just because of an "identity"??
Milo said multiple times in the video that nobody should be in prison in the first place
@@lga7134 and that people are choosing facilities. I was listening AND taking notes.
"No one should be in prison." Dangerous words, anything after can't be credible.
any set of words that turns off your brain and makes you ignore ideas and reasoning behind and beyond them shows that you need to grow as a person and learn to think critically.
@@stm7810 I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing but yes, absolutely. That's what I was pointing out.
@@Whoa_shutitdown You turned your brain off, that's dangerous, even when I heard fascists talking about how disabled people like me should be dead, I listened so I understood their strategies and the threats presented, prison abolition is a great idea which will make the world a better place.
@Siberian Husky yeah, you do have an obsession with that toilet ideology.
@@stm7810 So where should pedos go (besides being killed) if not into prisons? 🤔
‘No one should be in prison.’ Idk
Rapists should be.
👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 thank you for correcting your misstep during your the editing of your video. I used to live blaire white, and I felt that way from my ex who was a trans woman who loved her, however later I would find that my ex was one of those people who want to be looked at as “one of the good ones” in any group not just trans and I found myself asking her why she felt the need to point out that a certain trans woman didn’t “pass” or things that do not matter at the end of the day… and honestly it took me to break up start dating my last ex who was cis and was pretty ignorant when it came to the fact I had dated a trans woman and now it took me to really sit down and listen to my fiancé and soon to be wife (and not that this matters she is the third trans women I’ve ever dated and one of two women I’ve ever truly loved (one the mother of my daughter who passed in 2014) and now my current fiancé Ashley and she is the MOST caring and patient woman I’ve ever the privilege of knowing let alone calling mine and her explanation of how blaire is mostly wrong but also that she doesn’t care enough to do the research on a given topic and also how blaire made her feel particularly in the beginning Of her transition. And now I see the flaws in her way of thinking and much more importantly the flaws I. My own way of looking at certain topics regarding these sort of topics. Keep it up this way a great Video milo, and this is coming from someone who most likely had commented something on (if you don’t date trans women you’re transphobic) video but I also see what you intended with that video now and tbf it never applied to me to begin with because I consider myself a straight/ cos male and I’ve never had an issue in dating a trans women, and I wouldn’t pick either over the other or would matter who they were inside their hearts hence my fiancé now ❤️ 🥰 I’m very lucky we are from two different countries the U.K. And the U. S. And we made it work even during the pandemic and now live happily together. We are starting streaming If anyone read this and would like to follow us 💕 it’s thenewerkid @twitch or @ssashleigh on twitch tha sk for the consideration and keep up the good work Milo way to stick to your principles you have my utmost respect ✊🏻.
I did not see it noted but most of the places in Seattle trans people are held in solitary confinement also Jessica Kent has a video for more in prison experiences of trans women being in solitary.... Tw hard on that one though my friend. But yes, in Seattle we had someone who was held after protesting in solitary for being trans and if lgbtq they had to sign contracts promising to not do anything.... It's weird.
Could men that feel safe in women prisions go to women prision too?and why not..
The fact that you bring up this question after I argue that women should be allowed into women's prisons makes it seem like you don't think trans women are women.
@@MiloStewart yeah but, why do we seperate men from women? Are they seperated cuz of brain gender? Or are they seperated cuz sex difference?
And my second question: Are males in general a threat for women? and if no why dont both sexes go to the same prison?.
@@MiloStewart trans women raped female inmates in the UK, idk if u heard of that? Biology~~~ same logic with sports, it's never fair.
Why do you look like you've aged 10 years since I last saw your videos being roasted
did you say nobody should be in prison. what about a man who killed his wife and ate his baby
The Nordic model of prison is excellent, check it out.
@@literallyafern.justafern.7349 If I was poor and and had a crappy life in Norway I'd just commit a horrible crime and then get to live a happy comfortable life funded by the tax payers.
Definitely Trans Women should not be put into Male prisons but Barbie kardashian definitely shouldn’t be put into a Women’s prison at all!
I am for prison reform, but not so far as abolition. There are people that need to be separated from society for the safety of that society. Rehabilitation should be the focus of prisons. Some people can not be rehabilitated. My most preferred method of permanent societal separation would be exile, but since there is not a place we can exile these people, prison is the next best option.
Segregation by gender in prisons is wrong. If there is an issue of safety, then that safety should be a concern across all inmates, regardless of gender. Again, this should be a place of rehabilitation, and if a person proves themselves incapable of functioning in the presence of any gender, we best learn that with a group that is already removed from society.
Hey Milo, I hope you respond to this. I’m asking this question in good faith. I’m female, 5’1 and weigh just under 90 pounds. As much as I am accepting of trans women, I would feel extremely vulnerable sharing a cell with someone AMAB if I was in prison- especially when there’s already a great disparity in strength between me and most cis women. I’d feel even more disadvantaged. I’m wondering whether you think in regards to prison reform cis women inmates should also have a seat at the table when It comes to discussing these issues? I feel that their lived experiences inside the PIC are also valuable. I’m genuinely not trolling, this is a really complex issue. Peace x
From what I know talking to friends who are incarcerated, people are matched up in cells based on weight/height. So, a small cis woman wouldn’t be in the position of sharing a cell with a tall trans woman.
@@MiloStewart oh wow, I did not know this! That’s really good to know, and it sounds like a logical solution. Definitely changes my perspective on the issue. Thanks for the response.
@@louc1674 What Milo said is a complete lie, they don't match you up by any of those things, they match you to the available room. Prisons EVERYWHERE are over crowded and they don't have time to accommodate people because it's not the Ritz .I was a prison guard at one point and one of the cells where I worked had Black inmate and a White Klansman inmate. Now if there's problem's then they will move you if they have the space, but for the most part you have to tough it out. I'm just being honest with you and not feeding you B.S....
@@Bearwolf13 Yeah, I love you Milo but you are incorrect on being matched for a cellmate according to size/weight- prisons are so overcrowded there is no time or possibility of this. I know this as I spent time in prison myself. You have no say over who you are celled up with! Maybe in men's prisons they try to and match them but not to my knowledge. I've never heard ever of the concept of matching up by body size, and it's not possible to do that anyway. Say you have a unit of 40 prisoners and everyone is doubled up (20 cells),you just get put where ever you get put. You have people celled up together with totally different crimes, different sentences, different size, etc.
@@Bearwolf13 DO you know what a lie is? They said they were going based off what their friends told them. Thats not lying thats just being misinformed.
Though I do understand that this topic is complicated, I find it hard to visualize your solution if in the first place it's hard to change the current system. You can be as idealistic as you want to be, but it will not immediately resolve the issue you are trying to debate. Be more practical and accept compromise, being idealistic is good but you're dreaming a moonshot.
Milo, this is a very serious question. Please don't dismiss me as a troll or whatever.
Ok, when I hear people talk about abolishing prisons I can get behind a lot of it (especially people who are in prison for things like drug charges) but how does someone who supports abolishing prisons deal with extreme violent offenders? I'm going to use an example from my hometown that happened last year to be more specific. Last year a 15 year old young lady was murdered by her stepfather in my town. He took her body and threw it over a cliff like she was trash so she was missing for days. He pretended that he didn't know where she was while her family was suffering. Do you, as an abolitionist, feel that someone like him should not be in prison? Help me understand how someone like this man would be dealt with please.
I want to see a future without prisons, but I imagine that future is not during my lifetime because we don't have the community system to deal with violence outside of prisons in most cases. Because this work is generational, I imagine a slow building up of mental health and community resources that would ultimately lead to less occurrences of violence like that. I believe most people commit violence out of social causes and not because they're psychopaths. The PIC essentializes violence, but I don't think anyone is inherently violent. In the case the violence like that does happen, some people may have to take a break from being in their communities to stop the harm and be able to start accountability.
@@MiloStewart I appreciate your answer. I do believe that our prisons being for profit is totally wrong & that we (in the US) put too many in prison for petty crimes to line someone's pockets. Who knows whose? It's certainly not people like you and me. Things like sex work & drug offenses don't belong in prisons in my opinion. The idea of total abolishment does scare me because of people like the man in my example. I'm a little different than you in that I believe that some people are just evil but I listen to a lot of true crime too so that doesn't help 🙂 Your addressing my concern & willingness to have a conversation will bring about progress though so thank you 😊
@@stacin821 The stories that are told for true crime entertainment are often the most sensational, salacious, and attention grabbing stories, and are not at all representative of the vast majority of crime for which people are imprisoned. Likewise, stories of the violence that occurs within prisons to prisoners, and the other harms that prisons create are underrepresented in media. Our consumption of media can really mess with our perceptions of reality, and so it's really good to acknowledge that, too!
@@TheSightOfTheStars oh I agree with you 100%. No one would watch true crime if it was about someone getting popped for prostitution or a little bit of drugs. That being said, I do think that there are some in the world who truly have no regard for human life whether it be men, women or children. I would like to have hope they could be rehabilitated but I don't think that some are capable. It is good that Milo addresses those people because we can't pretend they don't exist. I think doing so would not help the abolishinism cause & I think the cause is a good one. Our prisons are filled with people who weren't "hurting" anyone but themselves & who need help, not to be caged. I saw a documentary about Seattle & the drug issues there. One of their ideas was to build a facility that would force someone into rehab (say if they stole or robbed someone to get more drugs) which would have higher security while they detoxed & then when they have the drugs out of their system they would go to the less secure part of the facility where they would be given counseling, job training, etc. The idea right now is they would be given the choice to go to the rehab facility or jail. I think something like that is a good start to help people who are stuck in the cycle of drugs/jail/drugs/prison.
fair points... but I would have loved if you had recognised Blaire's concern for the opposite: transpeople (particularly trans-men) as potential victims in prisons... Also the risk of having trans with non-trans is not just psychological, but carried medical risk regarding pregnancy (for both trans and non-trans people)
I think you’d find some answers if you watched the entirety of my video :)
@@MiloStewart I did, it just seemed like you didnt acknowledge it... maybe i missed it tho idk
And the easy solution to all of that is, just don't do anything illegal and you won't have to worry about it.
@@nathangreene3718 do you know every single law? there are some strange things you can go to prison for, and many reasons people do crime due to their material conditions.
@@stm7810 No I don't know every single law and I don't need to. That's beside my point. The bottom line is as long as you continue to be a law biding citizen, you won't have to worry about being punished. The people who are in prison are there for a good reason so I really have no sympathy.
"no one should be in prizon" what planet are you on
Always appreciate you sharpening my left flank. Prisons are a place where things get worse, not better. Making things worse for people always backfires because we are all always connected. Trying to punish prisoners just punishes society. Being for prisons is literally being for our own self destruction. Pronouns don't destroy society, prisons do.
So well put!
Somebody shoots up a convenience store for money where do you put them? Jail. As long as people exist some amoung them will use force to get what they want. Jail is the place for those people.
@@MiloStewart ok release all rapists murderers pedos and robbers you are crazy
@@silentserpent597 crime doesn’t just come from nowhere. People shooting up convenince stores for money are likely are in need of money for one reason or another. The idea is to prevent the circumstances that lead to these crimes being committed in the first place.
@@Spartan-ng6sx no, eliminate the circumstances that lead people to commit crimes and rehabilitate criminals instead of enslaving them.
Why shouldn’t people be in prison? Lmfao
did you watch the video
yeah but what about J Yaniv?
Have you been to prison?
Lol that’s my question for ALOT of people in this comment section!
Jails have, for a long time, had something called "the queen tank." This is where they put trans women and openly gay men. From all I have heard, they are more mellow than the rest of the jails. If they made something like that in prisons, and trans women could get to choose whether then the rest of the men's women, that could be a solution to that problem.
I agree that prison's should be abolished, and alternative modes of reform should be preferenced, except for in severe cases where people demonstrate an inability to conform to societal safety norms. That's a separate issue though...
I don't think the point is to judge all trans people based on the actions of a few. Rules and laws are generally meant to prevent outlier situations, not work against norms. For example, sexual violence is not the norm, but we still need to have rules and laws that outlaw it. To most people, they wouldn't dream of perpetrating sexual violence - rules and laws are for those who might, and to ensure justice is served and penalties are in place to set society back to a status quo when deviant behaviours occur.
If it is possible for a CIS women to become pregnant from a trans person, or trans people have demonstrated violence against CIS women in the past, then they should not be enabled to behave this way again. We're also talking about a specific type of person when we talk about prison populations. 25% of people in prison are sociopathic/aspd/have conduct disorders, for example - this is not a standard population group. I urge you to visit a prison or engage with more content so you can learn about these populations.
Why is it more important to protect trans prisoners over CIS female prisoners? Saying that violence is perpetrated against trans people in prisons doesn't make it ok to enable violence directed at CIS women as a preferred alternative. Violence shouldn't be perpetrated against anyone. (This may also serve to better protect trans people, despite your anecdotal argument where you admit that the trans prison you cite is known for being violent in general). The fact that there are issues with trans units does not dismantle the argument that CIS women deserve safety too. The harsh reality is that there are also massive safety issues with CIS women's units, and CIS women have also died in prison. Neither of those things are ok. Neither of those things take away from the point that where increased possibilities of violence exist, and there are known and available solutions to mitigate that violence, we should take those solutions.
You're also assuming"more beds" will be created if trans units are created. Not necessarily true: current facilities can be modified.
Good video!
Great video. Samantha Lux also made a good video responding to Blaire’s video
Thanks! Ooh, this is my first time hearing about Samantha Lux, but I'll check her video out!
@@MiloStewart ok. Great. Samantha lux is a trans woman who makes a lot of good videos talking about trans issues and how trans people are depicted in media. Here is a link to her channel. ua-cam.com/users/SamanthaLuxoxovideos
Trans people shouldn’t be put in prison? What the hell is wrong with you? Trans people don’t want to be treated differently so why would they want to be treated differently when it comes to the law???
Milo said nobody should be put in prison. Please actually watch the video before you rage.
@@rebeccak9626 And do remember the whole reason she became relevant is because she called all white people racist
And that was fully taken out of context.
@@rebeccak9626 Anyone should go to prison if they broke the law. Are you stupid?
@@AlexFayenope. I’m a law student. I wouldn’t say I’m “stupid” at all. I’m simply telling you what Milo said. Instead of calling me stupid......for telling you what Milo said......you could perhaps actually watch the video.
Great video as always- you’re very skilled at forming cohesive and well-researched arguments from a place of logic and compassion. I’m quite jealous!
Glad you enjoyed it!
we believe you can do this too, and if not that's fine, there's other awesome communist things you can do.
@The Beast of Krop Tor You're objectively wrong, socialist Vietnam was better at handling the pandemic than capitalist America despite their worse off material conditions. even the fake numbers from the black book of communism that includes unborne hypothetical children and counts Nazis killed in WW2, twice! still reaches a lower number and per capita number than modern capitalism. I don't even know what delusional place you're coming from.
@The Beast of Krop Tor
Stay angry.
@The Beast of Krop Tor
Oh dang you got me. Guess you’ll be the first to get sent to the gulags. /s
Where it gets muddy for me is less on the trans person causing harm and more on how to protect trans people from an already violent environment. IE putting you in a male prison would put you in an incredibly increased risk for harm.
I do think that while some people 100% need to be locked up Id deff agree is likely less than 5% of what we have locked up now.
even if i don't agree with you on everything, this video was very informative and made me think of things from a whole different perspective! makes me kinda mad people just came, disliked, and left without taking anything in. keep rockin :D
You have GROWN on me. Your response is so collected, researched, and classy. Keep on keeping on Milo! Loving this content
Ftm, fully transitioned minus bottom surgery, and a felon, (anyway) with that being said I’m making a choice of going to the women’s side. solitary is double hell and the men’s side won’t work out with the showers. It all depends on individual experience IMO.
Thank you so much for sharing and I totally agree on the importance for individual preference!
Your so selfish.
This was an incredible, cogent, and we'll researched response to Blaire's video on the subject, and I particularly appreciated your abolisionist perspective! I'd really look forward to you doing a video explaining prison abolish more in detail! ♥️
Thank you!
Blaire's only source for her video is a TERF website that took a random photoshopped photo and said it was Barbie's mugshot. She isn't even trying anymore.
Right!!
It was proven to be her, this is a vaush talking point. Also he tried to say it was fake because of the imperial height system in the mugshot? One simple good search shows Ireland does use the imperial height system in the prison mugshots.
she could have sourced the irish times but no some random terf website doubt it was even irish
@@respectalgebra Dude one google search shows the picture was actually her and another google search shows that ireland does use the imperial system for height in their mugshots. Look up "ireland mugshots." Y'all are trying to do something but it's not happening.
@@CeliaTyree oh, you're right! i misread the original comment, but I agree with the sentiment that citing a TERF website to explain a trans woman's story is lazy, and the example is being made into a bigger issue than it was.
I don’t think it’s a case of trans women men being a threat I think it is more probable it’s because they are at risk from other inmates regardless which gender prison they are placed...
Amazing video keep them coming
Serious question Milo, do you think cis people who kill or rape transwomen deserve prison time? Since you’re an abolitionist, clearly the murderer should go free? Let me know please
They're for prison abolition, not just trans prison abolition. Prison abolition is literally a pretty basic aspect of left-wing activism. Tbh if you watched the video ur question would be answered, cuz they say all of this
Nobody should be in prison. So let’s send all criminals to your house.
This is a really interesting perspective and I appreciate all the data and the level headedness in how you shared this. Definitely gave me lots to think about and shifted my ideas on this topic. Thank you!
Another great video. Thank you. I always learn so much from you!
Blaire: *Showing.... uh... one...? case and her opinions*
Milo: *Shows nothing but the FACTS*
LOL
There are multiple cases, look up Women are human-website. They document all cases of transwomen in prisons who raped and turned violent to women.
Why did u say no one should be in prison?
Great video! ♡ I sang a duet with myself as a woman and as a man. This song (Say something by A Great Big World & Christina Aguilera) suddenly gets a completely different meaning and is now about people struggling with their gender. You can find it directly on my UA-cam-Channel! I'm not transgender myself, but I made it as a tribute to transgender/non-binary people. You are non-binary right? I think you are a very ♡
XX chromosomes goes to womens prisons
XY chromosomes go to male prisons
Unless i go to jail then ill identify as a women 👍😂😂😂😂
Great video! Glad to see you on youtube more frequently! Also your outfit is hella cute.
Thank you!! 😊
wdym your first answer is that no one should be in prison bruh people literally commit crimes all the time, trans or not, so where tf are they gonna go💀
This is the most straw manned response video I have seen all day.
I'm interested in what you think I'm strawmannirg? I realized in editing that it was wrong to say Blaire argues for trans women to be in men's prisons and I corrected myself in the video.
@@MiloStewart You literally said "trans people shouldn't be in prison". You made it sound as if people were being sent to prison for being trans, for example.
@@god9034 no, they said that, then said no one should be in prison, they're a prison abolitionist, that's not a straw argument being attacked, it's saying that the starting point for the discussion is already messed up.
@@stm7810 If you believe that nobody should be in prison, then where should they go? 🤣
Not only that, but *she* (I call her she because she acts like a female and that's how she comes across to me) made it out as if people were jailed for being trans. I don't think that has ever happened in 50 years.
@@god9034 depends on the reason for being there if they are on drugs and stable they stay where they want same as people who drink or smoke if on a lot or anything dangerous they go to the hospital since addiction is medical. If theft they should get their material needs to be met so they don't need to steal if they killed someone they need psychological help and to live in a good place where needs are met, people do things for reasons, they either killed for self-defence and have trauma to deal with, a crime of passion and need help to be stable and not freak out like that or they have a murder brain which isn't their fault and deserve love still. taking them to suffer in crime school.
Milo is non-binary, they use they/them pronouns, what aspects of their personhood match being female, a concept no more real than octogender, Minecraft lore or Thursday. whilst it isn't as direct as going to prison for being trans, and they never implied that you just saw what you wanted to see, I think that it is worth looking into how homelessness is criminalised and how trans people are way more likely to be homeless due to being kicked out as kids.
I personally for my own boundaries can not even watch Blaire for shadow work anymore therefore I more so want to thank you for the time for your citations and sources on screen. As someone who has studied this issue very lightly with scholarly journal articles I can conclude that same statistic and basis for an argument towards abolishment of these systems yet I do not yet know how we are going to ethically form reform without the increase of mental health services and intervention with youth because all studies find that there is the strongest link with those who have had issues with authority and 1/3 of our population has endured trauma which is the gateway to crimes such as possession of drugs and drug related crimes. Thank you for the information on more intersections. Much love.
How is anything Blaire says transphobic? That trans "woman" was very violent to people in his family and other women. How do you just gloss that over?
By putting woman in quotes, your argument is automatically invalid.
@@Taylor-oq3gf No it's not, it's just invalid too YOU... The argument made is extremely valid, just because YOU didn't like the way it was phrased doesn't take away question!
Also, Blaire riddled that video with lies as with all of her other content. Most of what she said about the trans woman was not true if you do even a bit of fact checking.
Thanks for sticking with your videos, I really appreciate the non binary representation.
The rejection of gatekeeping in the online community has really helped me come to terms with my own identity and has helped shut up that voice which was like, "But are you really trans enough"
sex is not a right. sex is a reward.
That take at the start was mwa* chef's kiss.
haha thanks!
@@MiloStewart No, thank YOU.
Hi Milo. I commented on your video about why you're an abolitionist but thought it appropriate to reiterate my thoughts here as it's been a while and I got recommended this video.
In the segment of this video in which you criticise the existence of the prison system, the problems you raise with it either can be feasibly solved via reformation, or to me aren't problems at all. "In this system the violence that people face inside of prisons, not to mention the violence inherent in being put in a cage, is justified because of the harm that someone caused on the outside of prisons" Violence in terms of being attacked or bullied in a prison can be largely reduced through reformation as seen in (of course) Scandinavia and a handful of other central European countries. (It's always fucking Scandinavia. Fucking Scandinavia). Although these countries lean more towards what you believe with the practice of alternative sentencing, they still all have prisons and definitely aren't abolitionist. Even the fact that countries even have differing rates of prison violence in general proves that rates of violence (non-inherent violence ofc) largely depend on implementation and the larger system of a country. Thus, it can be seen that a reduction in non-inherent prison violence can definitely be achieved through reform. What that reform is is a large and separate debate but the difference in prison systems globally shows it exists.
"The inherent violence of being put in a cage" Isn't something that bothers me. I think it's entirely appropriate for violence to be used against those who do a sufficient amount of wrong. No, it's definitely not constructive but it feels good. Not only for those who know/knew the victim of a crime but for society in general because they know that if you, for example, punch someone you will probably get your just desserts. Of course some minor crimes should not have prison time attached to them like drug use but in general the populace get a kick from seeing people who've done bad things suffer. It's not very Lennonist nor very Leninist but there it is.
Very well said! I doubt most actually took the time read your comment around here. (Many people are too lazy to read these days.) But, I did and completely agree with you. Milo lost me at the beginning because of her absurd comment. You actually kept me here so thank you for that.
Beyond very well said.
And it is always Scandinavian countries that do that. My mom's from Denmark but disagrees with 99% of their system.
No one should be in prison? Even Gary Ridgeway? Dennis Rader? Those guys who killed Scott Sheppard?
Hi Milo, I just wanna say I have such a huge amount of respect for you and the grace and courage that you've maintained in the face of so much hate and harassment online.
Off to a good start in the first seven seconds 😎
What is the alternative to prisons?
I hope that's sarcastic
@Joe Dirt Bahaha PERFECT comment. I just had a backflash of a Monty Python skit... "Say no more!" Because you just said what most of us were thinking.
HAH! A little antifa weeniebag would say that.
@@BureauATF I love how antifa is somehow pathetic and scary at the same time to you, that we somehow are physically weak but also dangerous bullies that beat up your poor innocent police.
One of my favorite things of the modern age is seeing that you are still doing well Milo! You were the first person I saw talk about being nonbinary on the internet. Sadly, this was through the lens of the 'skeptic' (read: antifeminist) community. Luckily, I was able to see that my own ideals did not match up to the rhetoric being spouted by those people (tbf I was in like 6-7th grade while I was watching them so I hope I can be forgiven). Later on, I was able to discover that my own gender identity could not be contained in some rigid box. Thanks for being amazing :)
many pf us had that dark phase, it's how the YT algorithm works. Thankfully we were saved by Ash Hardell being smart and horny to match our interests, and by AO3 exposing us to the trans experience. and now we're a plural system of ancoms.
@@stm7810 or in my case we read Noam Chomsky books in the 8th grade, became a dem soc, and restarted our evaluation from there
To be clear I am no longer a dem soc, I'm an anarchist bb!
@@wagenenr8140 congrats! still haven't read his stuff, his views on animal rights suck but we probably should.
Was that sarcasm?
Going to jail saved my life on multiple occasions and many other people I know. My guess is you have never been. Not every jail or prison is broken, some have amazing programs to rehabilitate peoples lives. Don’t speak on something if you never experienced it. And there are actually multiple stories of men in prison and jails who claim themselves to be a trans woman and then end up beating up women faculty. I’m sorry but not all of us are going to bend down and bow down to a trans person‘s feelings. Their feelings aren’t the only valid one.
If there is mo prison where will murderers and rapist go?
i cant imagine the guts it must have taken to make this response to someone who has been... well, shit to you for so long. this video was very well done and fits in very nicely with the prison abolition kick i've been on these past few weeks with reading
I think you and Blaire should have a conversation with each other
That would be interesting
No kidding. Apparently, ole BW is aware he doesn't pass and just rolls with it. I don't think Miley here would be that humble, shall we say. Not to mention BW confronted Yaniv and lead. Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that porcine putz would eat Miley for breakfast.
Blaire would destroy and win.
@@OceanicNASA maybe
Thanks, Milo. 💖
Watching you grow in the right direction with thought, and logic is refreshing. Not pushing away, but drawing in listeners. Even if they don't agree with you, they will respect you. You and Riley Dennis have come a long way. Great work.
Great video stay safe 💕
This is off-topic but I LOVE YOU MILO! You are so strong amd such a beautiful person inside and out!
Great video, milo! very important and interesting topic to discuss
Thank you! Agreed!
There’s only 5,000 incarcerated trans people in the ENTIRE US??! That’s an insanely low number. Why is this convo even being had? There’s zero point in creating “trans prisons” for such a tiny volume of people. Waste of tax $$
White Is right i like her because she Is real
I love good-faith video responses and this is an excellent one!
Thank you!
Watching now 💙
Great vid!
I would love to see you both in a debate.
Anyway, I must say that not understand her clearly. Therefore you kinda respond to arguments, which were not used in the original video. Mainly she has never said trans women are a threat to cis women. What she says is trans women might be at a threat, cause cis women might do bad things to them. Moreover, she is not completely sure what to think about this, so the video is more like a monologue, than her position on the topic.
Dude did you really just say no one should go to prison? So according to you if I murder a 1 year old baby I should just be let off the hook? You disgust me.
Great video 👏 Thank you for addressing this issue from an abolitionist perspective, commenting to boost in the algorithm
I'm glad you have come further than that one video in 2016, dark times
Incredibly articulate and robust, as always. Thank you!
Thank you for this video Milo :) You are so freaking awesome and strong !!
Hey Milo, I think you explained the goals and reasoning behind abolitionism soooo well! Thank you for being an abolitionist. I live in Australia and spent time in prison. In Australia, trans women are placed in women prisons only if they have had bottom surgery. I think this issue is really nuanced and I agree we need to listen to trans people/inmates on what the issues they are facing as well as women prisoners. I do see however a direct clash of human rights when we discuss pre-op trans women being incarcerated with women - in other words the needs of one oppressed group are somewhat at odds with another equally vunerable, oppressed group. I don't have the answers on this and agree that abolition is the only way to begin reducing the intergenerational trauma of incarceration and the harm of all vulnerable people by imprisonment. The fact that 80-90% of women inmates are surviviors of sexual abuse or assault shows how little the public really care about the harm prison causes and it angers me sometimes to see conservatives or carceral feminists rally against a trans woman going to a women's prison, yet remain silent on the retraumatising impact of strip-searching in custody or of rape and sexual assault by prison guards, or the many and varied traumas that being imprisoned has on women, their children, their future likelihoods of reintegration. Equally, trans people are apt to experience dehumanizing physical and psychological violence by imprisonment as well. The idea of suffering the humiliation of being sent to a prison that is opposite your sex or gender identity seems like extra punishment and it is not fair to send a trans women to a mens prison - in that sense I believe it is important to have a 3rd space for pre-op trans women to go. In Australia pre-op trans women are sent to men's prisons. Anyways, keep being you, I am really glad you have grown more confident in yourself and you did not let the stupid trolls win!! Much love!
Your positions are so well thought through and compassionate. Thanks so much for leaving this comment! I’m really reflecting on your ideas!
@@MiloStewart thankyou Milo! 💜That means so much, thanks heaps for the reply!
Did I seriously hear someone say no one should be in prison? Are you freaking kidding me right now? Also, no trans women shouldnt just go to women's prison just because they're more comfortable. If they have had a history of abusing women putting them in a prison filled with women is an awful idea! "Oh but they're uncomftoable!" So you think making trans women feel comfortable is more important than making all the many other women in the prison comfortable? Get out of here with this nosence.
omg you are so well spoken!! thank you
UA-cam gave me a notification for this right away! That's pretty great.
Ooooh very good to know! We love when UA-cam works
BASED
2.7% of people in America are or have been in prison????
Love you Milo, stay safe 💕 good video btw
Watched the intro. This video is already fantastic.
Unless we plan on warehousing prisoners inside prisons indefinitely, REGARDLESS of the seriousness of their offence (= no one's position) we MUST strive for Abolition. Incarceration exponentially exacerbates the underlying conditions which led someone to be imprisoned in the 1st place. Thx
👏👏
@@MiloStewart & just to tie this specific to transfolk, let's consider how many are forced to live with socioeconomic targets on their backs,
bc they happen to be born in states
that have laws on the books
legalizing their targeting;
by bosses, landlords-
So they are constantly (X) long away
from to losing a job or housing
for the infraction of EXISTING
(as God created them...
Define "blasphemy", again?)
And inevitably, the bottom falls out
rendering them ripe for the States picking-
Be it loitering, driving with expired registration or no insurance, busted for hustling themselves or product, just trying to make it till sun up, to that next job interview.
Observe; We see the State manufacturing it's incarcerated population with surgical precision...
And the beat goes on...
Godspeed ❤️
You've got to be deleting hate comments lol there's no way.
What’s the replacement for prison if I kill someone. Then why call it a abolition and not reform