LORE OLYMPUS GAVE ME A TONAL WHIPLASH
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2024
- Lore Olympus gives me quite a tonal whiplash sometimes so I have decided to talk about it.
There seems to be an issue with a strange double standard when it comes to the tone of the story that affects the overall morality of the narrative - it is just not consistent.
Can you really match therapy speak with the events and the characterization of Greek gods in LO?
** The video contains some SPOILERS for LORE OLYMPUS and HAZBIN HOTEL **
Thank you so much for listening to my rant :) - Фільми й анімація
My problem with LO is that a lot of plotlines become nonsensical when you actually remember that it set in this fantasy-ish setting with gods and different powers. For me personally whole Apollo/Persephone things is one of then. It would make perfect sense if it was storyline about regular girl who deals with such traumatic event and doesn't have a lot of power and support but...Persephone isn't just this regular girl even if story tries to treat her like one: her mother is one of the legendary "6 traitors dynasty", she herself is a queen of whole realm and even queen of gods (Hera) is her godmother while Apollo is an barely legitimized affair baby whose mother was shamefully banished from Olympus yet we supposed to believe there's huge power imbalance between Perse and Apollo.
Also Hera had zero problems with banishing Leto for her affair with Zeus but when whole Apollo thing happened she's just can't do anything about it??? Make it make sense.
That and the fact that this same """Apollo's popular and Persephone's not power imbalance""" can be compared to the power imbalance between Persephone and Minthe ? Like the "racism" toward nymph in this comic is attested, Persephone is clearly privileged compared to Minthe (socially, "racially", economically and all) and the author is trying to passes Minthe as the bad person ? Pretty bad writing imo
Good point.
Also most characters like Persephone, the ones who don't are antagonists. Apollo has NO worthy allies but somehow he's a danger?
@@jessnalulila5709 Agree. If you want to show how powerful and manipulative your villain is, then not making anyone from actual cast fall for his charms is coming of as extremely weak and not persuasive at all. And they don't even have to hate Perse's guts, just doubting her would be enough.
Persephone only getting 10 years was weird to me bc they live for centuries.... She should have gotten at least 100
It get's even dumber with Persephone and Hades getting sad over the fact that Persephone will have to spend 3 months in the Mortal Realm to take care of Spring
@@jessnalulila5709 they definitely would be that annoying couple in HS that's all over each other and can't spend a minute without lmao
Concerning the eye thing Perse never got over it in a way……later on after getting married she goes back to the guy at his place of work to further torment him….
Fucking what?
It’s not the same character, she goes and talks to Tori, who was the roommate of the photographer(Alex). Tori was also Perse’s classmate who stood her up after his roommate’s eye got removed by hades. He also calls her Hades concubine. After the 10yr skip she goes to the bank where Tori works and tells him how bad a friend he was for being mean to her when she was at her lowest; then tells him that she’s the queen of the underworld now.
I haven't actually read LO, but watched so many video essays about it I might as well have 😭 and I can definitely say yours is the most comprehensive
Saaaaaaame 😭 and I love mythology but I find so much modern media so bad at using it
Don't honestly. It was fun to follow week to week but as a whole the story is a MESS
It would’ve been quite interesting if Lore Olympus actually took advantage of the fact all the main characters are the oxymoron of ‘inhuman humans’, but since it draws from the OG gods it’s like watching a real life show with all the _drama_ and grossness of regular people, but there’s a twist, they’re _magic_ ! I never liked Greek gods, they’re just jerks…that zap lightning and fire and sh*t. What if it turned out gods are incapable of understanding morality so humans actually hold power over them? What if there was some unspoken rule that gods don’t act moral\decently because it’s a “weakness”? What if immortality itself comes at the price, and you have to trade off power over yourself to have power other others?
We’ll never know lmao.
that would be intresting
Yeah the moral standards are really all over the place. Acts of wrath with a permit are treated as a good thing but an act of wrath without one is treated as a crime against humanity. Stuff like being banished really doesn’t matter when you’re an immortal.
In regards to the tone, I think a great example of a story set in a place with clearly different morals that still manages to address current topics seemlessly is the book Uprooted by Naomi Novik.
It's set in a fantasy version of medieval Poland and the main characters are witches and wizards, and there is a scene in the first act where the protagonist, Agnieszka, is almost SA'd by a man.
She doesn't say anything about toxic masculinity or how women are worth more, because those phrases don't really fit the time. But she has an internal monologue where she tries to rationalise what just happened and she realises, because of the status her attempted abuser had, he's probably never had a girl say no before. She even says she might have slept with him if he'd asked. Another character then says it's highly likely he had already set on the goal of sleeping with her because he was under the misconception she was with the second character and the abuser was attempting to cuckhold him.
That segment both captures the themes of consent, power, and objectification of women so well while feeling true to the setting because Novik recognised these ideas have always existed in story telling but just come in different forms. And I believe an exoerienced writer could easily have written the ideas of abuse recovery, complicated relationship, and rape revenge in ways that matched the tone of Greek mythology.
But Rachel Smythe isn't wn experienced writer.
It feels like the author of LO read every single comment and took them all waaaay too seriously, ending up with a weird, bland, neutered, meandering snooze fest. Not every comment is a critique to incorporate.
If you like Hazbin hotel, you should absolutely watch the good place. It’s amazing!
Thank you so much for the recommendation - I will defo give it a go :) I really like Kristen Bell I think she's awesome!
@@alwayslatetoeverything she is! You’ll love it!
Nice to see UA-cam recommending these sorts of smaller content creators. And I do absolutely agree with your point of views on this... strange story.
Fun fact for hera: hera's bird is a peacock which is also why it appears in the 3:57 painting just as Athena's bird is an owl :D
I do think that part of the issue is that it had a consistent tone at first, but like, people suddenly had accusations and like made their criticisms into direct moral judgements on both the characters and creator, so like I fully believe that's why there was a big change in tone, and that feels like the root of why the heart kind of drained from it later on in the series. I remember people using PDF File to describe the story and the readers, and like using words like grooming and groomer and its just the same kind of shit thats happening in the Hazbin fandom right now, which is a total fucking dumpster fire, I just don't interact, there's no room for a conversation when a million anonymous people with zero media literacy are screaming that you're a PDF File for enjoying a story with the thousands years age gap, regardless of whether it was based off a story called "The r*pe of persephone" or not. I don't think this explains why it feels so fetishy and cishet, but that's a massive issue that deserves its own analysis tbh. I'm using a lot of coded language in this cause I'm just scared of algorithmic moderation ok sorry if its nonsensical lol. I think smythe also just flourishes at individual scenes, and doesn't do great with larger interconnected stories.
I don't know if I can go through the grief I'm sure this video will cause me, I stopped reading soon after the wedding, I feel that's the point of utter collapse. My best friend and I used to review each week and it was our comfort it was painful how it turned out
This is why I still haven't read it
Lore olympus lost its appeal the moment it started putting certain characters on pedestals it stopped being nuanced and turned into a feminist power fantasy by the ending. The characters deserved so much better with some actual development.
bold of you to say it's a 'feminist power fantasy', when it is actually pretty misogynistic in writing. It's just a power fantasy of the author's own kinks but she uses the 'feminist' label for the views. Nothing about this story screams 'women empowering'.
@cosmok-1367 you're entitled to your opinion but that avengers style ending did scream misogyny to me so I'll continue to be bold.
@@summerdixon8344 I want to clarify that I wasn’t offending you, and I apologize if I come off that way. I’m merely pointing out that the whole of LO has plenty of misogynistic writing, so I don’t like it when people call it ‘feminist’ because it really isn’t at the end of the day. Especially when the message is, all women who aren’t the obident main character are bad, villainizing them because they have concerns against men and only those who should be in relationships are valued. Again, heavy misogynistic tones.
Youre making a video about inconsistent tone of morality and begin that video with 'But i enhoyed hazbin hotel'.. i cannot see a more ironic statement filled with fandom hypocrisy. Literlwly that inital review you read out is the exact same issue with hazbin hotel, if not moreso. Now im not a fan of Lore Olympus either (i read up until like chapter 100? The last thing i remember is Persephones outburst on apollo following his.. actions.. towards her) i am a Greek/Roman mythos fan, huge so, and ive only really seen a couple 'modernizations' of mythod that actually work and i would argue that the ONLY one that even remotely does justice to the Hades/Persephone lore is PunderWorld (and even thst has flaws especially compared to the 'original' mythos) but to hear that at the beginning of this video just made me burst out laughing. You enjoy a overtly immoral show with no consistency (especially within the pilot and now) and constant hypocrisy within itself as to who really deserves to have morals or viewed morally. I think there is no better way to explain that then how many times Adam, you know, first man, just makes overtly sexualized jokes that are basically just 'Holy looking dude says fuck! How funny!!' but it gets old really quick
What the hell are you talking about? The whole point off Hazbin Hotel is that what Adam does, consented and instigued by Sera, is bad and the Heaven is hypocrite and they rules are unfair and only are used to mantain the status quo, like in the case of Lucifer. Like, they arent subtle about it. That show isnt exent of critique, but his morality is pretty solid.
Had to turn the volume all the way up to hear this vid. Hopefully it doesn't go too long.
why would you choose to add that second part, adding something hurtful into your comment? Did you just intend to hurt the feelings of someone, solely because the audio was s bit quiet?
The sound/volume is just fine for me on my device
The volume is just fine, maybe it’s something wrong with your device?
I can confirm the volume was perfectly fine. And even if there's something wrong with your device, you can just turn on the captions.
You know that if you hate the video you can leave, right? You didn't have to be here. You didn't have to make a rude comment.
@@axinitethearsonist1682 not sure why you think that's so offensive? Also it's very quiet on my PC as well. Headset turned all the way up and PC volume set to 98 and it's still on the low end. Maybe y'all just have higher volume available but I can barely hear OP and my stuff is almost at 100%. This headset is new btw, not a case of an old headset starting to die.
I see where you’re coming from, but I also don’t understand the problem. Like when I see a story about assassins with every day, interpersonal problems I don’t go “ Oh, it’s so unrealistic and inconsistent how they have these values that are actually contradicted by their killing way ways.” It’s a story, it’s entertaining, it’s fantasy.