As an artist myself, yeah, the art has definitely had a downgrade. You’d think that a comic creator would want to go all in for the last few episodes but I guess not
For me it felt like she wasn't into it anymore and just wanted to finish it. Like If you begin an Essay and you are really motivated, but the second you have your 500 words you want to Finish and meet with Friends. Do you know what I mean?
@@followthewhiterabbit884 100%. I’m convinced she never planned for it to go THIS long and at some point she kind of lost sight of what she wants the comic to convey. Plus I think she’s mentioned that she didn’t actually plan out the comic? Only a few story beats. Which you can feel and by the end she was burnt out/ just wanted to get over it with.
Well, I think it’s a combination of her not caring about LO that much anymore and putting most of the work onto her assistants. Her early art was definitely produced over longer time and she put in a lot of effort in maintaining the whimsical dark forest style (when the pictures popped off they POPPED OFF). Beautiful comics are rarely sustainable, unfortunately, ESPECIALLY if they’re as long as LO is. I’m not sure if it was Rachel’s first work, but she bit more she could chew with this one. Tbh I’m glad the girl got her bread, but I hope her next work is executed better
I'm convinced Rachel just gave up and just wanted to end the series ngl, because it was just so incredibly fast paced and a lot of the shit that happened was just out of no where or made no sense or just were missed opportunities for the characters and unfinished story lines. Like I felt no emotion when the villians were defeated or when Perspephone and Hades got together. It just felt so eh. And what happened to Minthe, and the fertility goddess stuff still doesn't make any sense.
I was hoping heras battle wigg the kronos was going to be as epic as Persephone and Kronos.. that was my favorite arc and the art was BEAUTIFUL. She looked FANTASTIC! But these last two battles were very lackluster.. in WEBTOONS, many people in the comments also felt like this season was being rushed. What a shame..
Im guessing in the beginning she essentially wanted to make a comic version of harlequin romance stories but a quarter of the way through she decided her story needed girlboss-feminism and thus added it, but she was not capable of doing so. Partially because she not that good of a writer, and partially because the direction she wanted the story to initially go was incapable with it.
My theory is that Rachel originally planned for the series to be a lot shorter, maybe 2 or 3 books. but then the comic got so popular that she just decided to drag it out as long as possible and at some point lost the plot
@@lizabee7791 if feel like that happens alot and I wonder is there no other way than needless dragging. I can get extending the story a bit but at some point you have to say that's enough and end it. If you want/need more just do a spin-off or sequel series. beast stars did that well enough.
5:17 something that bothered me was the other gods saying they were there to support Persephone. But during the trial, NOBODY stood up for her and Demeter. Hestia and Hera said they didn’t because they were scared of Demeter, but we never see them acting that way around her. They treat her like a joke.
@@stanzaco it is a set of written stories, d1psh1t. Yes I did. Canon is not some exclusive term for modern use. What, did you think it only applied to modern media? You can use Canon for the fcking Iliad too. lmfao.
@@stanzaco I mean "canon" is an actual real word that existed long before fandoms started to use it. It's used by the catholic church to make clear which texts and books "count"/are relevant and which ones don't/aren't and many other fields have started to use it as well in the last few centuries to refer to authentic/important/authoritative texts that are important to that field. It has never been a fandom exclusive term
The whole series was pretty bad. What she did to Minthe and Demeter is absolutely disgusting. And trying to create a reason why Persephone is such a Mary Sue (that of course revolves around a man) is even more disgusting.
NGL I used to be obsessed with the series when it first came out, but I dropped it during the court arc. Like I was totally lost on what was going on and never picked it back up.
Lore olympus was one of those things where you started reading and despite it getting progressively worse you feel like you can't stop because you're already too far in and you might as well see how it ends. Sadly no pay off.
What I don’t understand is how did Kronos not know Hera was a fertility goddess? It would make more sense if him being obsessed with her than just having company .
This is Greek mythology, older men dating younger woman were least that could happen. Let's keep in mind in the original myths Zeus and Hera were both full blooded brother and sister.
@@brandonlyon730 yes i’m not disputing the facts that the original myths have stuff that’s frowned upon today, almost all ancient cultures written stories about these kinds of things. the problem is that rachel beats it over the head that this is a modern “feminist” retelling, and she clearly has no issue changing myths and rewriting them. so why have this weird age gap at all, and not only that but then have characters openly highlight how young the nineteen year old protagonist is multiple times, ex: hera and hecate saying in the first few chapters that hades is gross for this shit 😭 persephones age has no weight on the story so to make the age gap so ridiculous is just odd. if she wanted to signify how naive and clueless persephone was, the evidence was already there when she didn’t know what a cellphone was from being a fish out of water in olympus. and the problem isn’t there being an age gap in a relationship, it’s about the age gap is between an ancient being and a teenager.
@@brandonlyon730the point is this is a modern retelling. so your argument doesn't hold up. the ages can easily be changed so everyone's adults. healthy, consensual age gaps in adulthood exist so having a teen with a much older man isn't necessary.
Well she was 19 when they met hades didn’t know she was young since they have not met before (while fully conscious) and they didn’t even start to date until she was in her 20s even hades freaked when he found out which is why he wanted to stay away it’s weird yes but mythology I’m gonna be honest Persephone was probably like in her actual teens then 19 Plus it gives Persephone mother more of a reason to be protective over Persephone
The Apollo being sentenced to work in the mortal realm could be a reference to an actual Apollo myth where he was sentenced to serve King Admetus of Pherae as a mortal for a year. Doesn't make it better but could explain the decision to do that.
Honestly i never thought LO was good story, I've read it like people read or watch media that is so bad so it's good. Not a hate read, but to had a good laugh. And in this way you might think reader like me did not had any expectations. Kinda yes but despite it i was legit OUTRAGED of how awful ending felt. From breaking established early lore, to two incredibly bad final fights, to Apollo's "punishment" to Persephone's problems being fixed by SOMEONE ELSE because she's very cool and smart and brave of something. Everything about it suckеd and now i highly doubt any care went into writing. This is how bad this is.
I felt it started out with a lot of potential, but I don't think she really had a long term story planned out and the reactionary plot that resulted just flopped
see i hate the whole love arrow thing to give a resolution for perse’s SA because it doesn’t really do anything for me. i feel like the real resolution was that scream fight she had with Apollo in her bedroom. The plot point ended where it began, and she fully stood up for herself with eros only coming in after she had fully said what she needed to say. i just don’t think Rachel wanted to let the emotional drama of them fighting go. most of the time SA survivors don’t want everyone to know what happened because it is not an emotionally straight forward trauma which Rachel clearly knows and demonstrates through Chiron talking to perse in therapy about perse’s complicated emotions about what happened. If she wanted a similar scene with sad begging Apollo why not just have a full scene with Artemis confronting him. Plus it could have demonstrated the protector of women that many fans were complaining about her lacking
I agree. Especially because Apollo's punishment isbto forced to love Persephone. To take someones sexually consent is always bad. Thats why we hate Apollo. To mind rape the rapist back isnt justice and it shouldn't be portrayed as such. Also "love" dosent fix rapists.
Wow, that was really bad. It was like Rachel went "I must make the most girl bosses as I can" and she did, but it created a GB Singularity that warped the story around it, making all the stakes in it spontaneously get ripped out and tossed aside for the sake of quirky women who don't need no man. Truly the Singularity was a force so grand it that its mere presence convinced all watching to commit mass suicide via strangulation. A pillar of women everywhere and how they too have the power to do....something. I don't know what, but something. Also it's funny that Hera ends up with someone who main trait is mimicking people. She fell in love with herself.
It makes sense that Dionysus is the one to teach Persephone about death and rebirth. Since in Greek myth he also goes through death and rebirth every season like grape vines. He dies every winter and gets reborn in the spring (Sometimes said to be chopped up like how grape vines are cut back in the winter time). Kinda a cool little detail if that I liked when reading the ending, but if you don't know it you miss out on it.
As a webtoon comic artist myself who’s made over 50 episodes at this point, I guess I’ll give my two cents on the art of the last episodes. I understand having deadlines so you really can’t make everything perfect when you have deadlines to meet. Even then, if these are going to be your last episodes, you want to really go all in on your art, even if you need to make a delay for that to happen. I’d understand if it’s the middle of the series or something and you just really need to make that deadline, but the way that Rachel has chosen to push out them gives off a feeling like it’s rushed and she never cared too much about her series to begin with, or just fell out of love with her own creation.
GQ: Does it get more overwhelming with deadlines when you are publishing books in the middle of all of it? I always found that as there were more artists on LO, the more the art suffered + it seems like the story lost quality in writing once all of the books began circulating.
@@mmb-ig7iq unfortunately I can’t say for certain given I’ve never published any books myself 😭 that and I’ve only been the only one working on my webtoon. Factoring in elements such as the large team working behind Rachel, and being busy with other elements likely managing the series and the books, she’s certainly had her hands full. I’ve only worked on 50 episodes of my own webtoon and even then, it’s draining when you do it weekly. It’s like your whole life circles around this thing, you want to make it as perfect as you can but at the same time, with enough time, it’s so easy to fall off of that passion you had at the start. My guess is that she also did have a decent plan at the start on how to line things up, but soon got derailed once it exploded in popularity. LO has been a webtoon darling for years, so I imagine webtoon wanted to make sure Rachel strung along the story and lengthened it out for as long as it pulled in readers.
@@mmb-ig7iqI can’t really say given I’ve never published a book 😭 it would only be speculation to say the author may have spread herself too thin. Personally though I do understand working for so long on a webtoon that it almost becomes your identity, and how draining that can be after enough time.
Wait didn't Titan Persephone turn Tartarus into a living being to eat Kronos? And didn't she promise to visit Tartarus? What happened to that plotline?
Erebus gave that power to Persephone just for that one battle. She did on multiple occasions try to visit Tartarus but Kronos kept access almost impossible which was a big plot line in trying to gain access to Tartarus. She did eventually gain access to both Erebus and Tartarus. I haven’t watched the video yet before I saw this comment and I’m just assuming it wasn’t mentioned in the video
This comic destroyed persephone and hades as god characters, it hurts my soul it's one of the most popular depiction of the two, or atleast more popular than the hades games and the hadestown musical, both depicts hades as the bad guy but was still sympathetical, persephone wasnt infantilize and wasn't depicted as a all to good goddess, (SPOILERS) both the game and the musical seperate the two to reunite them in the end in a satisfying way, albeit the musical was more bittersweet, the hades games reunite them in such a long phased way so that once persephone agrees to return it was tediously satisfying. (SPOILER OVER) i love this myth alot, but i despise it when hades isn't shown as a bad guy while the other gods are. Hades is still a god even if he isn't the worst, if an author shows the gods as evil, hades should be to imo.
But that’s the thing. The comic shows Hades is in fact evil or at least toxic. Hades has done many bad things throughout the comic. Torture Alex by carving out his eye just because he took a photo. He has a reputation of being in relationships with women, where he has power over them. He’s a cruel, authoritative king who views his subject as free labor. The comic proves Hades is a terrible god, the problem is the author frames him to just be misunderstood and the rabid fans defend his actions despite how terrible they are. Oh, Hades took out Alex’s eye? Well he was only doing that because he was worried about Persephone’s image. And he fixed up his eye later. Oh, Hades has a problem with women? But the women also hurt him as well, all he needs is someone he can control - I mean, someone who can understand him. Oh, Hades treats his people like slaves? Well, maybe they are all bad people who deserve it. It’s not the fact hades doesn’t have any flaws in Lore Olympus, he does! In fact he’s just as, if not, worse than his own brothers. But the problem is, the comic doesn’t showcase that this is wrong as long as it’s Hades doing it! Rachel Smythe frames Hades as a sad, lonely man child so everything he does is because of his own trauma. And that wouldn’t be a bad thing, but Hades doesn’t learn from his actions, nor does he actually get called out for it.
well, Hades isn't villainous in Hades (the game) really, more antagonistic for understandable reasons. Although Hades is basically the most reasonable god from our modern understanding tbh.
Really Persephone is a self insert the plot happens to, there is no character to her at all, there seemed to be some wit to her at the beginning but after right before the Apollo R*pe stuff it seems like she was just a plankton being pushed by the current, no agency at all.
I was part of an lore olympus group and people were reeeeally into theory of Hera leaving Zeus for Echo so im gonna guess Rachel saw that and thought "why not" without realizing that people just wanted that because they hated Zeus and not because there was real big between them and if that was to be canon she would have to actually put some clue on that beforehand. Instead she just did what she thought would please her fans
As a SA Survivor I absolutely fucking hate how dragged on the whole Apollo and Persephone plot was it’s so fucking frustrating because he has been multiple times. Where is like she’s about to say something and then she just doesn’t or that it’s brought up but then it doesn’t go anywhere. It kinda feels very disrespectful to those who are actually affected by shit like this, and it’s gross. You’re basically dangling over peoples heads of “:O !!! she’s going to tell anybody?!” Whether Rachel herself probably is a sexual abuse survivor, it’s so kind of fucking gross to use that as a ploy, to keep people invested . Like I literally got disinterested before the plot really took off because my opinion that shit should’ve been resolved by season one granted season to it should not have taken the entire series till the very end to then discuss it at the very least, she could’ve just told Hades at some point within their engagement, or something like that not the very end.
She did tell Hades. It was before the trial and Hades walked by and heard Apollo and Haphaestus talking and went to go speak to Persephone. She tells him the truth and Hades grows titan sized to go tear Apollo apart. Persephone sadly stops him.
Because Zeus is his father. Zeus is purple because purple is a royal color and Zeus is the king of the gods. Therefore his children would inherit his skin color
With the whole love arrow on Apollo part, I’m just not sure how that’s supposed to work. Is it basically letting Persephone mind control him into admitting his crimes, because that just seems both off and has really dark implications about love arrows. Or worse, is it saying that Apollo now really loves her so NOW he cares about what he did to her and why it was wrong. Because one, you don’t need to love or even care about someone to know what’s right and wrong! And two, that makes me think of all those, “true love turns this total jackass into a good guy overnight, (but only because the woman is good enough)” tropes. Or it’s even accidentally implying that people who love someone will never be abusive to them, which is sadly just not true. Some people just suck, but some people can be abusive AND care about who they abuse. Plus that all plays into the really harmful mindset that if someone is just “better”somehow and can make someone really love them it will stop abuse, which it won’t. Just, I thought it was a bad and rushed way to wrap such a big and important part of the story up but the more I think about it the worse it gets!
I'm baffled at what the author dedicated 'screen time' to. You have Daphne's rehabilitation and Minthe's restoration happen off screen, but then detail Persephone going to fill up a romantic rival's apartment with barn animals as revenge for pursuing Hades? Major developments and important character moments taking a backseat to petty vengeance was such an odd choice. But honestly, a lot of this felt like Melora Maxwell's Disney Hercules fan fic, 'I Won't Say It,' and it wouldn't shock me to learn she was a fan from back in the day.
17:22 about kore being small and stuff, i really don't like how she's protrayed. i'm not short. i am around average height, but i have met plenty of friends who are short and i've met people who have dwarfism. and the first thing they mention is how they dislike how short characters are always pointed out about their height. dwarves are always pointed out for their height for example. it's annoying and boring. now, jokes are fine, so long as you aren't going so far to imply these people don't have feelings. characters having first impressions by their height, added on to other traits, is perfectly fine. but why is every character obsessed like this? why is it a defining key trait she has that is overshadowed by everything else? height DOES effect how people see you, i can imagine a lot of people would assume Kore is harmless, peaceful or cute due to her height and a few other factors. And that'd be perfectly fine. (Mind you, these assumptions are bull, had a friend below 5 feet who punches like an iron fist. have met plenty of aggressive and rude short people and cute is a subjective adjective. bullying towards short statured and little people happens often, but this never feels like an accurate display of the bullying they go through.. it just feels like it's a way to make kore be as infantilized as possible? have the gods never seen or met a person who's short statured or something?? they act like it's a rare trait that's supposed to imply about persephone's magical abilities or something, or hell her fucking intelligence. which is really gross, and i think it should be more accurate that only characters that look down at her already should act this way. but EVERYONE does. Even the people that respect her??
i agree, the proportions in this comic are… comically bad. it’s definitely not coming from a representation point of view when her body type and height changes so much throughout the comic. the intention was never a positive look on height differences in relationships like there’s never a point to it other then for characters to say “wow she is so short and small and cute and young i’m a big old ass man and i wanna hit that” and it really sucks because height differences in real life are not bad. you can be a 7 foot basketball player in love with a little person. but i guess the borderline pedo bait is what gets the most clicks
Late reply but I always like to interpret Hera as capable of divorcing Zeus but is unaware of it or too afraid to try it. Divorce is a part of marriage whether one likes it or not and thus it technically falls under her domain and leaves her capable of performing annulments for other people and for herself. After all like I said, "What is Divorce if not part of Marriage?"
When I first got interested in lore Olympus I was invested because it was this cute 'slice of life' drama kind of romance series. Never would I think that it would become some weird action series ever.
I think I know why this has become something so empty. Lore Olympus was an unpretentious project where the author placed herself as the protagonist with a hot and modern version of Hades, but with the unexpected success, she had to develop the story as much as she can and this must have been very tiring. It's like wanting to make cake only with flour and some eggs; you may even be able to make it, but the result will be very unpleasant.
It’s a shame because I actually really enjoyed the first few seasons of LO. With season 3, things just felt…different. Like Demeter’s “overbearing mother” routine got turned up to 11 even though it had been addressed multiple times already, a boat load of characters and side plots get left at the wayside, and the ending felt *super* rushed. I’m glad I’m not alone in noticing that. I don’t want to hate on Rachel-there’s a lot I liked about the series, but I feel like there’s stuff that maybe happened behind the series that we don’t know about. Whether that’s burnout, deadlines, or confusion of plot lines, we won’t know unless otherwise stated. Just wished it ended a bit better, you know? (And WHAT?! Thanatos getting to talk to Hades “sometimes?” What’s that all about?)
You and me both. To me, everything felt wrong since the resolution of Kronos takeover arc. Hades eats the pom and got nothing, but Persephone eats pom and got titan powers?? Seems like a cop-out to me. And every decision afterwards was the same but increasingly worse.
I wish lore Olympus haters could also talk Abt Down to Earth. It's about an alien girl who unfortunately (in my opinion) lands near some pervert weebs home. He basically "raises" her and teaches her Abt earth, all while being a creep, still not over his ex, telling this alien not to have romantic feelings for him (proximity is always the reason ppl end up intimate) she's still naive in what she knows Abt earth, romance, and social shit. They have the same height difference fetish in this comic, they always draw this alien in skimpy fits, a lot like Persephone. In general I'm surprised ppl haven't caught wind of Down to Earth
Omg me too! It’s still so weird to me how webtoons most popular comics now are these awful ( and in many ways misogynistic ) romance webtoons. There’s SO MANY other great under appreciated webtoons too that are diverse in genre, yet it’s always the awful/cringfully written “ romance “ ones that get the big spotlight unfortunately
Apollo probably leveraged Eros and Psyche’s child over them But I doubt it. Either way, this story is very bad and I hate that I only realized it when I was nearing the end of it
I'm a long time reader and finally rejoiced when I finished the last episode, personally, I think the one thing that bothers me most with LO, is that Smythe kept introducing stories of other character relationships into a story about a SINGLE relationship. She wanted to include the gods and that's fine, but the way she did highly overshadowed the main couple to the point that they were fighting for any screentime by the final volumes. Hades and Persephone's relationship is flatter than anything I've seen on webtoon. By the time the ten year time skip happened and they were still forced to be in the pinning phase of the story, I lost interest. They had no romantic development other than useless pillow talk and quiet moments that went nowhere and were often times ended because of Persephone's on again and off again PTSD - which I'm not sure if she ever talks about with Hades or anyone else in the story other than the therapist (that we never see again after Demeter's wedding refusal)
Also wth was the point of Tarterus basically asking Persephone if they'll "see her again" or something along those lines? Only next time to scold her for trying to fight Kronus(?) In the sleep realm. I thought that was a neat scene in possibly establishing that Tarterus accepts Persephone as Hades wife and thus the true queen. But no...apparently not?
Overall I agree. To be fair I think 20:00 Hera and Hades against Cronos show an interesting contrast on what it would mean to two different people to move on past the abuse/abuser and both ways are valid. Hera battle style is raw because she no longer needs her talking to maintain a certain facade to survive. But this option requires power and energy as some people might find this emotionally draining so this is not something all victims can do right away. Hades, on the other side, wants to stop the cycle of violence carried from father to son to finally move on, and I want to think it is because Melinoe is in the same realm (and maybe watching and feeling all) that he doesn´t want to resort to violence too to end this. He has struggled with his own identity in the past and I think it's perfect that he didn't react the way Cronos would have expected. Plus, they are in a more intangible realm? so thinking and emotion overrule physical confrontation.
I feel like the series blew up unexpectedly, and when the deal to publish the series and make all this merch from it happened, Rachel was not prepared and had to make certain changes to appease the publisher and make it more friendly to a wider audience. I know one of the main criticisms about it was the age gap between Persephone and Hades, and I feel like the random time jump forward was done to make the age gap less creepy and "fix" that issue so it was more palatable to people. I think there were probably other decisions made like that, too, or that were influenced by making the series more corporate.
One of the weirdest conclusions of a story i've ever read. There were so many things i still cant get over with.. From Hera's whack ass girlboss-moment to demeter knowing about the assault of her own daughter from the rapist and the fact persephone failed to have any real agency not to mention apollos "punishment"
This started so well, its sad to see how it ended. Thanks for covering it for us!! Also, wanna see all these characters written right? Play Hades and Hades II!!!
I dont even want to finish it anymore, I loved the series up until I got over the "fantasy" of it and trope. The story fell through by not addressing things properly and just resorting to girlbossing and whatever extreme emotion there is to keep you on the edge of your seat. Basically nothing resolves well, permanent consequences and solutions who?
To me the main drawback from this finale is how it kept trying to chuck end game bosses at what was otherwise a romance. Kronos I could partially understand as it's a connection to Hades' trauma. Oranous meanwhile just pops up quite literally out of thin air and has no other connective factors than the fertility goddess. Maybe it would have worked if this was more of an action romance or if either were just brought up with any meaning. But nope we're just causally having the death of all God kind (cause if mortals die so do those gods). Which speaking of, if that rule ever actually existed prior to the finale why wouldn't it have been brought up during the trial as "This is why your act of wrath was so dangerous" and needed to be punished despite Persophone clearing her name. I think ultimately what makes this conclusion feel flat is Persephone nor Hades grow or change enough compared to their early counterparts. There may be spikes of power or new connections but I can't say much about personal growth they worked for.
There's something that I don't understand of the arrow of true love. Is an arrow that throwing it to X makes them fall in love of whomever the god that shoot the arrow wants or how does it work
These kind of stories always end as boring pieces. Some authors haved no idea how to build conflicts in relationships and develop characters. It's all about writing a sugary stage of relationships. Nothing interesting follows.
I could always see that Rachel had trouble drawing movements and action, especially when she constantly draws everyone posing as if they were in a pin-up (and not in a flattering way like JJBA). But this was made more obvious post time-skip with Persephone's "fight" with Chronos during everyone's sleepy time. At that point, I was reading it just to get it over with, but it became the point where I was more than happy to drop it without ever knowing the conclusion. Like, I didn't want her to go full battle comic but at least put some effort. You already suck at writing conflict, at least try to nail the fights you wrote in.
I dunno how I got here in the algo, I dunno anything about Lore Olympus and I don't care about it but what I DO know is that everyone seems to hate it so I don't get how it's successful enough to have been going for...what? A decade?
I’m in the same boat. Never read it but heard so much about it for years and suddenly videos like this pop up and I got curious. I am SO confused on what the plot was but I guess after so long she probably threw a bunch of ideas together to keep it going and resulted in.. whatever this was
I believe the current version started in 2017-18 or thereabouts. Nearly all the YT videos I've seen seem to critique it, but it does (did) seem to have a large following. I followed it to the end, and while I thought it could have used more development, I was also glad when Ms. Smythe wrapped it up.
it died the way it lived well meaning for men and women survivors of different kinds of abuse alike, but ultimately downplaying its own messaging and storyline for the sake of spectacle and the solving of loose ends that were never there somehow couple with the complete ignoring of glaring loose ends.
I used to read this religiously and even bought fast passes so I can read ahead. I think I stopped at the part where Minthe got turned back, Idk I just lost interest and I felt the story was dragging at that point. Ngl the first few chapter and early arc are great, so its kinda sad to see that it ended up like this.
I have watched all of this channel’s videos on Lore Olympus, and I still don’t understand something as basic as the setting lol - and felt a little like watching a car crash that happened last week on the news
I remember starting Lore Olympus middle school,and during my high school years I was constantly in and out of the webcomic. Realizing now how shit the writing was,irks me till this day. I honestly feel like Rachel had major favoritism towards certain gods just to mischaracterize them completely.
I'm also a person who does not like the message of forgiving your abuser, but I saw Hades and Hera like a parallel, she didn't forgive although Hades did, so it's like two faces of the same coin And if I'm not wrong, Hades didn't tell Morpheus to erase Melinoe's memory, he asks to make all seem like a dream, for Melinoe not know that the whole situation really happened
I think the weird last minute Kaiju fight scenes and blatant Deux ex machina solutions were really unnecessary for the story Let's face it, _Lore Olympus_ was known for its character-driven, romance-motivated storyline, not for its big fight scenes. I don't know why Rachel decided to add all these things in. It just felt so out of place.
Really good video essay. This must have taken forever to edit, but I appreciated every cutaway to a meme and all the relevant comic panels. Subscribing!
Something that bothered me a bit was that she ended the story but there were so many relationships that could have been expanded on. Like artemis and hermes, i thought they may have gotten close and eventually got together but artemis ends up with a completely new partner, That one moon goddess
20:25 Oh I agree, the fact that he just lets it go so easily doesn't make any sense. Even if it's better to forgive, storywise... I don't think his character would've been so saintly. And getting angry isn't unforgiveness, it's righteous to be angry for the injustice he did to his kid and him.
Tbh Lore Olympus was bad almost from the start and funny enough, I was invested in this story for a while, even spent fast pass coins on this nonsense...
We really waited YEARS and hundreds of chapters for Apollo to get punished for rape and his punishment was…. Almost entirely off camera and a slap on the wrist. Rachel clearly just wanted the series to end. The first half of LO was SO GOOD but the second half? It was somehow both rushed and bloated with filler. I was so disappointed
It does make me wonder if there are going to be a massive amount of epilogue episodes, much like True Beauty. I feel like the patterns are kind of "on par" with webtoon Originals, a rushed ending with potential epilogues to pad out the bits that got heavily brushed over 😅
One thing I disagree with is Persephone's rage; she 100% had rage. It was controlled, cold, tactful, revenge-driven, rage. Not emotional outburst of raw, unmanageable, not-yet-understood feelings.
I actually liked LO and didn't see its flaws (which often happens with smth you like) and found out about a ton of videos explaining how bad it is only after its end but even for me the ending was pure garbage. I was expecting like a 5 ep avengers endgame battle and instead got fertility goddesses just girlbossing the big bad man
The scene where hades forgives kronos for selfing healing and Hera not as self impowerment as individual scenes are pretty good however right next to each other like they were i feel like they took away from eachother. Like it either makes hades look week for what he did or Hera immature imo I know it probably wasnt like that for others but yeah idk it just feeks contradicting when THAT close to eachother
A somewhat interesting art style and somewhat interesting story undermined by the art and the story throughout its entire serialization. Pretty crazy when you think about it. And LO is so frustrating because I SHOULD love the art, I SHOULD love the story concept. It is 100000% up my alley but I hate the execution. I hate how inconsistent the art is, how Persephone is drawn like a pin up in pretty much every frame she’s in, how her character is a mary sue-ish fanfic “oh i’m just a young naive girl but really I’m so capable but in fact I’m really not”. Also the portrayal of Demeter as a toxic mom. How is that feminist at all? I hate hate hate HATE how certain so-called feminists take ancient myths and try to blindly change them into “girl power” stories by applying modern conventions on them.
I dropped this webtoon ages ago because the storyline wasn't my vibe. Seems the story went downhill since I last read it. Sad to see all the webtoons I started as a teen end tho. Anyways 👐🤭 Remarried Empress on top!
While I didn’t mind how Apollo came to endlessly suffer internally for what he did I agree the ending was so rushed and it really felt like she wanted it over with I’m not sure if there were other reasons but at times it felt like some chapters equated to nothing meanwhile the last few chapters felt like speedruns to the end like the final fight was literally them summoning then the final summon just being like “stop that” to Kronos there were so many lost opportunities especially given the real world cult like worship Dementer and Persephone had that’s theorised to have Persephone use her time in the underworld to better understand tans death and teach their followers this giving them and others peace of mind about death but at the end of the day I liked the idea of it but just wish some parts where wrapped up sooner than others but as I’m not Rachel is it my place to say?
@@mikami1824 Correct. I may upset a lot of people with this, but at the end it was: - You sacrificed yourself for me? - I love you. - An act of true love will thaw a frozen heart. - Love will thaw. Love. Of course. Love! And BUM! She knows how to end winter.
@Comsing8 I mean yeah, Frozen uses love to save the day but its completely different. 1.) The audience interacts with the entirety of the story within an 1hr and 48 minutes as opposed to the years it took for Lore Olympus to end meaning that the solution being "trivial" is more acceptable cus ive wasted less time. 2.) Winter was directly tied to Elsa's emotions, specifically her belief that she was an unlovable monster that only brought harm to those around her when she "let it go" and existed as the magical being she was. The conflict is established at the start of the movie and becomes resolved when Anna sacrifices herself to save Elsa proving that she loved her and wanted to be apart of her life so badly that she'd die to protect her. It's also a fun diversion from the usual true loves kiss that the audience is used to. The story was about the relationship of two sisters. The antagonist was always Elsa's fears and insecurities (mental) so love isn't such a trivial solution after all. Could it have been better? Everything can always be better, but the story was strong, the main characters arcs were completed, and it was done in a decent time frame. For all these reasons I don't think that Frozen and Lore Olympus are comparable. But tis my opinion and nothing more :))
@@mikami1824 It's good that you have your opinion and can express it :) For me, both solutions are a snap. I absolutely understand the idea of an act of true love, but for me a better solution would be if they started talking to each other after all this sacrifice and slowly everything melted, or they stayed in an embrace for a long time and then slowly melting, without shouting "love, of course!" and 2 seconds and done. Mental problems are not a light switch as they showed in Frozen. Unless my neurosis is special and years of anxiety come back even with medications. I'm not defending Lore itself, because honestly I stuck with it for the drawing style. And I agree with what was said in the video, although I must say that I don't think I could have written Lore better. Or rather, definitely. Of course, I don't believe in a perfect story either, something can always be done better, but both stories failed miserably in terms of dull solutions. Too fast, too easy. I know it may sound bad, but I'm glad that Lore has such criticism, because it was very successful and showed that you can have big plot holes and still have fans. For me, and my drawings, it is important to look at something from time to time that is more heavily criticized and still finds a large audience with love.
We should make a drinking game and take a shot every time Hades feels bad for himself during the comic
*dies of alcohol poisoning*
Take a double shot when he acts like a creep but the comic frames it as ok because Hades, like, totally feels bad about it you guise, so it's fine.
Thanks now I just gained flying abilities.
This sounds like a good way to die!
ngl the sad boy energy and daddy issues got old when he's 2000 years old.
As an artist myself, yeah, the art has definitely had a downgrade. You’d think that a comic creator would want to go all in for the last few episodes but I guess not
Entire second half of third season felt like Rachel wanted to finish her comic as fast as possible and forget LO ever existed 😂
feels like that happens to a lot of webtoon comics, which is pretty sad.
For me it felt like she wasn't into it anymore and just wanted to finish it. Like If you begin an Essay and you are really motivated, but the second you have your 500 words you want to Finish and meet with Friends. Do you know what I mean?
@@followthewhiterabbit884 100%. I’m convinced she never planned for it to go THIS long and at some point she kind of lost sight of what she wants the comic to convey. Plus I think she’s mentioned that she didn’t actually plan out the comic? Only a few story beats. Which you can feel and by the end she was burnt out/ just wanted to get over it with.
Well, I think it’s a combination of her not caring about LO that much anymore and putting most of the work onto her assistants. Her early art was definitely produced over longer time and she put in a lot of effort in maintaining the whimsical dark forest style (when the pictures popped off they POPPED OFF). Beautiful comics are rarely sustainable, unfortunately, ESPECIALLY if they’re as long as LO is. I’m not sure if it was Rachel’s first work, but she bit more she could chew with this one. Tbh I’m glad the girl got her bread, but I hope her next work is executed better
Persephone is the living embodiment of manic pixie dream girl cranked up to 100
OH MY GOD I HATE THAT YOUVE FINALLY PUT A NAME TO WHY I DISLIKE HER SM, ohhh my god your so right that’s just depressing..
@@SphericalNervousSystem And ten times as obnoxious.
I'm convinced Rachel just gave up and just wanted to end the series ngl, because it was just so incredibly fast paced and a lot of the shit that happened was just out of no where or made no sense or just were missed opportunities for the characters and unfinished story lines. Like I felt no emotion when the villians were defeated or when Perspephone and Hades got together. It just felt so eh. And what happened to Minthe, and the fertility goddess stuff still doesn't make any sense.
I was hoping heras battle wigg the kronos was going to be as epic as Persephone and Kronos.. that was my favorite arc and the art was BEAUTIFUL. She looked FANTASTIC! But these last two battles were very lackluster.. in WEBTOONS, many people in the comments also felt like this season was being rushed. What a shame..
Im guessing in the beginning she essentially wanted to make a comic version of harlequin romance stories but a quarter of the way through she decided her story needed girlboss-feminism and thus added it, but she was not capable of doing so. Partially because she not that good of a writer, and partially because the direction she wanted the story to initially go was incapable with it.
@@eileenhatton5240 The ending did seem to come up suddenly, which is surprising, because for awhile the pacing seemed to be DRAGGING.
My theory is that Rachel originally planned for the series to be a lot shorter, maybe 2 or 3 books. but then the comic got so popular that she just decided to drag it out as long as possible and at some point lost the plot
@@lizabee7791 if feel like that happens alot and I wonder is there no other way than needless dragging. I can get extending the story a bit but at some point you have to say that's enough and end it. If you want/need more just do a spin-off or sequel series. beast stars did that well enough.
5:17 something that bothered me was the other gods saying they were there to support Persephone. But during the trial, NOBODY stood up for her and Demeter. Hestia and Hera said they didn’t because they were scared of Demeter, but we never see them acting that way around her. They treat her like a joke.
......hera and echo.
Rachel sure loves to make og canon abusers and their victims into love interests, huh?
“og canon abusers” did you actually just refer to greek mythology as canon….
@@stanzaco it is a set of written stories, d1psh1t. Yes I did. Canon is not some exclusive term for modern use. What, did you think it only applied to modern media? You can use Canon for the fcking Iliad too. lmfao.
@@stanzaco I mean "canon" is an actual real word that existed long before fandoms started to use it. It's used by the catholic church to make clear which texts and books "count"/are relevant and which ones don't/aren't and many other fields have started to use it as well in the last few centuries to refer to authentic/important/authoritative texts that are important to that field. It has never been a fandom exclusive term
@@stanzaco Yeah canon is the right term here
@@ItsAllNunya echoe's main trait is that she reflects whoever she's with.
Hera essentially feel in love with herself.
The whole series was pretty bad. What she did to Minthe and Demeter is absolutely disgusting. And trying to create a reason why Persephone is such a Mary Sue (that of course revolves around a man) is even more disgusting.
And when webtoon describes LO saying it’s a feminist retelling of pers and hades myth…it’s just disgusting
@@tiquismistica9417 this
@@tiquismistica9417 I love your profile pic. 😘
NGL I used to be obsessed with the series when it first came out, but I dropped it during the court arc. Like I was totally lost on what was going on and never picked it back up.
@@koribeanOwOsaaaaaaame
Lore olympus was one of those things where you started reading and despite it getting progressively worse you feel like you can't stop because you're already too far in and you might as well see how it ends. Sadly no pay off.
Yep that was it for me lmao.
I enjoyed up to the trial arc then it just completely lost me.
What I don’t understand is how did Kronos not know Hera was a fertility goddess? It would make more sense if him being obsessed with her than just having company .
Agreed!
He didn’t know because Hera being the missing FG wasn’t thought of until about mid season 3 when we even started getting hints.
That avengers moment was cringe as much as I wanted to like it.
The one in endgame or the one in here
The one here. At least, endgame had great writing and development behind it
my biggest issue with this series is attempting to normalize grown men falling in love with teenagers
@@VirtualMilkit’s even worse like these people are immortal so why did you make one 19 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
This is Greek mythology, older men dating younger woman were least that could happen. Let's keep in mind in the original myths Zeus and Hera were both full blooded brother and sister.
@@brandonlyon730 yes i’m not disputing the facts that the original myths have stuff that’s frowned upon today, almost all ancient cultures written stories about these kinds of things.
the problem is that rachel beats it over the head that this is a modern “feminist” retelling, and she clearly has no issue changing myths and rewriting them. so why have this weird age gap at all, and not only that but then have characters openly highlight how young the nineteen year old protagonist is multiple times, ex: hera and hecate saying in the first few chapters that hades is gross for this shit 😭
persephones age has no weight on the story so to make the age gap so ridiculous is just odd. if she wanted to signify how naive and clueless persephone was, the evidence was already there when she didn’t know what a cellphone was from being a fish out of water in olympus. and the problem isn’t there being an age gap in a relationship, it’s about the age gap is between an ancient being and a teenager.
@@brandonlyon730the point is this is a modern retelling. so your argument doesn't hold up. the ages can easily be changed so everyone's adults. healthy, consensual age gaps in adulthood exist so having a teen with a much older man isn't necessary.
Well she was 19 when they met hades didn’t know she was young since they have not met before (while fully conscious) and they didn’t even start to date until she was in her 20s even hades freaked when he found out which is why he wanted to stay away it’s weird yes but mythology I’m gonna be honest Persephone was probably like in her actual teens then 19
Plus it gives Persephone mother more of a reason to be protective over Persephone
The Apollo being sentenced to work in the mortal realm could be a reference to an actual Apollo myth where he was sentenced to serve King Admetus of Pherae as a mortal for a year. Doesn't make it better but could explain the decision to do that.
Aren’t the new Percy Jackson books about Apollo, him having to go to the human world as punishment?
Honestly i never thought LO was good story, I've read it like people read or watch media that is so bad so it's good. Not a hate read, but to had a good laugh. And in this way you might think reader like me did not had any expectations. Kinda yes but despite it i was legit OUTRAGED of how awful ending felt. From breaking established early lore, to two incredibly bad final fights, to Apollo's "punishment" to Persephone's problems being fixed by SOMEONE ELSE because she's very cool and smart and brave of something. Everything about it suckеd and now i highly doubt any care went into writing. This is how bad this is.
I felt it started out with a lot of potential, but I don't think she really had a long term story planned out and the reactionary plot that resulted just flopped
see i hate the whole love arrow thing to give a resolution for perse’s SA because it doesn’t really do anything for me. i feel like the real resolution was that scream fight she had with Apollo in her bedroom. The plot point ended where it began, and she fully stood up for herself with eros only coming in after she had fully said what she needed to say. i just don’t think Rachel wanted to let the emotional drama of them fighting go. most of the time SA survivors don’t want everyone to know what happened because it is not an emotionally straight forward trauma which Rachel clearly knows and demonstrates through Chiron talking to perse in therapy about perse’s complicated emotions about what happened. If she wanted a similar scene with sad begging Apollo why not just have a full scene with Artemis confronting him. Plus it could have demonstrated the protector of women that many fans were complaining about her lacking
I agree. Especially because Apollo's punishment isbto forced to love Persephone. To take someones sexually consent is always bad. Thats why we hate Apollo. To mind rape the rapist back isnt justice and it shouldn't be portrayed as such. Also "love" dosent fix rapists.
Wow, that was really bad. It was like Rachel went "I must make the most girl bosses as I can" and she did, but it created a GB Singularity that warped the story around it, making all the stakes in it spontaneously get ripped out and tossed aside for the sake of quirky women who don't need no man. Truly the Singularity was a force so grand it that its mere presence convinced all watching to commit mass suicide via strangulation. A pillar of women everywhere and how they too have the power to do....something. I don't know what, but something.
Also it's funny that Hera ends up with someone who main trait is mimicking people. She fell in love with herself.
It makes sense that Dionysus is the one to teach Persephone about death and rebirth. Since in Greek myth he also goes through death and rebirth every season like grape vines. He dies every winter and gets reborn in the spring (Sometimes said to be chopped up like how grape vines are cut back in the winter time).
Kinda a cool little detail if that I liked when reading the ending, but if you don't know it you miss out on it.
As a webtoon comic artist myself who’s made over 50 episodes at this point, I guess I’ll give my two cents on the art of the last episodes. I understand having deadlines so you really can’t make everything perfect when you have deadlines to meet. Even then, if these are going to be your last episodes, you want to really go all in on your art, even if you need to make a delay for that to happen. I’d understand if it’s the middle of the series or something and you just really need to make that deadline, but the way that Rachel has chosen to push out them gives off a feeling like it’s rushed and she never cared too much about her series to begin with, or just fell out of love with her own creation.
GQ: Does it get more overwhelming with deadlines when you are publishing books in the middle of all of it? I always found that as there were more artists on LO, the more the art suffered + it seems like the story lost quality in writing once all of the books began circulating.
@@mmb-ig7iq unfortunately I can’t say for certain given I’ve never published any books myself 😭 that and I’ve only been the only one working on my webtoon. Factoring in elements such as the large team working behind Rachel, and being busy with other elements likely managing the series and the books, she’s certainly had her hands full. I’ve only worked on 50 episodes of my own webtoon and even then, it’s draining when you do it weekly. It’s like your whole life circles around this thing, you want to make it as perfect as you can but at the same time, with enough time, it’s so easy to fall off of that passion you had at the start. My guess is that she also did have a decent plan at the start on how to line things up, but soon got derailed once it exploded in popularity. LO has been a webtoon darling for years, so I imagine webtoon wanted to make sure Rachel strung along the story and lengthened it out for as long as it pulled in readers.
@@mmb-ig7iqI can’t really say given I’ve never published a book 😭 it would only be speculation to say the author may have spread herself too thin. Personally though I do understand working for so long on a webtoon that it almost becomes your identity, and how draining that can be after enough time.
Wait, webcomics can end? Instead of being abandoned half-way through the story? Man, we've really come a long way.
Wait didn't Titan Persephone turn Tartarus into a living being to eat Kronos? And didn't she promise to visit Tartarus? What happened to that plotline?
Down the drain like everything with this webtoon.
Erebus gave that power to Persephone just for that one battle. She did on multiple occasions try to visit Tartarus but Kronos kept access almost impossible which was a big plot line in trying to gain access to Tartarus. She did eventually gain access to both Erebus and Tartarus. I haven’t watched the video yet before I saw this comment and I’m just assuming it wasn’t mentioned in the video
The ending was like, forbid anything have any permanent consequences.
This comic destroyed persephone and hades as god characters, it hurts my soul it's one of the most popular depiction of the two, or atleast more popular than the hades games and the hadestown musical, both depicts hades as the bad guy but was still sympathetical, persephone wasnt infantilize and wasn't depicted as a all to good goddess,
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both the game and the musical seperate the two to reunite them in the end in a satisfying way, albeit the musical was more bittersweet, the hades games reunite them in such a long phased way so that once persephone agrees to return it was tediously satisfying.
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i love this myth alot, but i despise it when hades isn't shown as a bad guy while the other gods are. Hades is still a god even if he isn't the worst, if an author shows the gods as evil, hades should be to imo.
But that’s the thing. The comic shows Hades is in fact evil or at least toxic. Hades has done many bad things throughout the comic. Torture Alex by carving out his eye just because he took a photo. He has a reputation of being in relationships with women, where he has power over them. He’s a cruel, authoritative king who views his subject as free labor.
The comic proves Hades is a terrible god, the problem is the author frames him to just be misunderstood and the rabid fans defend his actions despite how terrible they are.
Oh, Hades took out Alex’s eye? Well he was only doing that because he was worried about Persephone’s image. And he fixed up his eye later.
Oh, Hades has a problem with women? But the women also hurt him as well, all he needs is someone he can control - I mean, someone who can understand him.
Oh, Hades treats his people like slaves? Well, maybe they are all bad people who deserve it.
It’s not the fact hades doesn’t have any flaws in Lore Olympus, he does! In fact he’s just as, if not, worse than his own brothers. But the problem is, the comic doesn’t showcase that this is wrong as long as it’s Hades doing it! Rachel Smythe frames Hades as a sad, lonely man child so everything he does is because of his own trauma. And that wouldn’t be a bad thing, but Hades doesn’t learn from his actions, nor does he actually get called out for it.
well, Hades isn't villainous in Hades (the game) really, more antagonistic for understandable reasons. Although Hades is basically the most reasonable god from our modern understanding tbh.
As an illustrator and comic artist, the art was never consistent in this series.
Really Persephone is a self insert the plot happens to, there is no character to her at all, there seemed to be some wit to her at the beginning but after right before the Apollo R*pe stuff it seems like she was just a plankton being pushed by the current, no agency at all.
I was part of an lore olympus group and people were reeeeally into theory of Hera leaving Zeus for Echo so im gonna guess Rachel saw that and thought "why not" without realizing that people just wanted that because they hated Zeus and not because there was real big between them and if that was to be canon she would have to actually put some clue on that beforehand. Instead she just did what she thought would please her fans
As a SA Survivor I absolutely fucking hate how dragged on the whole Apollo and Persephone plot was it’s so fucking frustrating because he has been multiple times. Where is like she’s about to say something and then she just doesn’t or that it’s brought up but then it doesn’t go anywhere. It kinda feels very disrespectful to those who are actually affected by shit like this, and it’s gross. You’re basically dangling over peoples heads of
“:O !!! she’s going to tell anybody?!”
Whether Rachel herself probably is a sexual abuse survivor, it’s so kind of fucking gross to use that as a ploy, to keep people invested . Like I literally got disinterested before the plot really took off because my opinion that shit should’ve been resolved by season one granted season to it should not have taken the entire series till the very end to then discuss it at the very least, she could’ve just told Hades at some point within their engagement, or something like that not the very end.
She did tell Hades. It was before the trial and Hades walked by and heard Apollo and Haphaestus talking and went to go speak to Persephone. She tells him the truth and Hades grows titan sized to go tear Apollo apart. Persephone sadly stops him.
Why the hell is apollo purple he should be yellow he's the sun god
Because Zeus is his father. Zeus is purple because purple is a royal color and Zeus is the king of the gods. Therefore his children would inherit his skin color
@@grimtheghastly8878 hebe is yellow, and even if its bc hera is yellow, isn’t leto yellow too??
Apollo is purple so that the puny readers can guess that he's Zeus son
@@grimtheghastly8878 yeah but Zeus has a million children. Also, is Artemis also purple?
@@ma.2089 yes.
I swear you couldn't tell these characters from one another if they weren't so obnoxiously colorful
With the whole love arrow on Apollo part, I’m just not sure how that’s supposed to work. Is it basically letting Persephone mind control him into admitting his crimes, because that just seems both off and has really dark implications about love arrows. Or worse, is it saying that Apollo now really loves her so NOW he cares about what he did to her and why it was wrong. Because one, you don’t need to love or even care about someone to know what’s right and wrong! And two, that makes me think of all those, “true love turns this total jackass into a good guy overnight, (but only because the woman is good enough)” tropes.
Or it’s even accidentally implying that people who love someone will never be abusive to them, which is sadly just not true. Some people just suck, but some people can be abusive AND care about who they abuse. Plus that all plays into the really harmful mindset that if someone is just “better”somehow and can make someone really love them it will stop abuse, which it won’t.
Just, I thought it was a bad and rushed way to wrap such a big and important part of the story up but the more I think about it the worse it gets!
I'm baffled at what the author dedicated 'screen time' to. You have Daphne's rehabilitation and Minthe's restoration happen off screen, but then detail Persephone going to fill up a romantic rival's apartment with barn animals as revenge for pursuing Hades? Major developments and important character moments taking a backseat to petty vengeance was such an odd choice. But honestly, a lot of this felt like Melora Maxwell's Disney Hercules fan fic, 'I Won't Say It,' and it wouldn't shock me to learn she was a fan from back in the day.
17:22 about kore being small and stuff, i really don't like how she's protrayed. i'm not short. i am around average height, but i have met plenty of friends who are short and i've met people who have dwarfism. and the first thing they mention is how they dislike how short characters are always pointed out about their height. dwarves are always pointed out for their height for example. it's annoying and boring.
now, jokes are fine, so long as you aren't going so far to imply these people don't have feelings. characters having first impressions by their height, added on to other traits, is perfectly fine. but why is every character obsessed like this? why is it a defining key trait she has that is overshadowed by everything else? height DOES effect how people see you, i can imagine a lot of people would assume Kore is harmless, peaceful or cute due to her height and a few other factors. And that'd be perfectly fine. (Mind you, these assumptions are bull, had a friend below 5 feet who punches like an iron fist. have met plenty of aggressive and rude short people and cute is a subjective adjective.
bullying towards short statured and little people happens often, but this never feels like an accurate display of the bullying they go through.. it just feels like it's a way to make kore be as infantilized as possible? have the gods never seen or met a person who's short statured or something?? they act like it's a rare trait that's supposed to imply about persephone's magical abilities or something, or hell her fucking intelligence. which is really gross, and i think it should be more accurate that only characters that look down at her already should act this way. but EVERYONE does. Even the people that respect her??
i agree, the proportions in this comic are… comically bad. it’s definitely not coming from a representation point of view when her body type and height changes so much throughout the comic.
the intention was never a positive look on height differences in relationships like there’s never a point to it other then for characters to say “wow she is so short and small and cute and young i’m a big old ass man and i wanna hit that”
and it really sucks because height differences in real life are not bad. you can be a 7 foot basketball player in love with a little person. but i guess the borderline pedo bait is what gets the most clicks
Hera getting a divorce makes no sense. She's the Goddess of MARRIAGE this goes against her very nature.
Late reply but I always like to interpret Hera as capable of divorcing Zeus but is unaware of it or too afraid to try it. Divorce is a part of marriage whether one likes it or not and thus it technically falls under her domain and leaves her capable of performing annulments for other people and for herself. After all like I said, "What is Divorce if not part of Marriage?"
Nothing in this story makes sense 🤣
When I first got interested in lore Olympus I was invested because it was this cute 'slice of life' drama kind of romance series. Never would I think that it would become some weird action series ever.
I think I know why this has become something so empty. Lore Olympus was an unpretentious project where the author placed herself as the protagonist with a hot and modern version of Hades, but with the unexpected success, she had to develop the story as much as she can and this must have been very tiring. It's like wanting to make cake only with flour and some eggs; you may even be able to make it, but the result will be very unpleasant.
It’s a shame because I actually really enjoyed the first few seasons of LO. With season 3, things just felt…different. Like Demeter’s “overbearing mother” routine got turned up to 11 even though it had been addressed multiple times already, a boat load of characters and side plots get left at the wayside, and the ending felt *super* rushed. I’m glad I’m not alone in noticing that. I don’t want to hate on Rachel-there’s a lot I liked about the series, but I feel like there’s stuff that maybe happened behind the series that we don’t know about. Whether that’s burnout, deadlines, or confusion of plot lines, we won’t know unless otherwise stated. Just wished it ended a bit better, you know? (And WHAT?! Thanatos getting to talk to Hades “sometimes?” What’s that all about?)
You and me both. To me, everything felt wrong since the resolution of Kronos takeover arc. Hades eats the pom and got nothing, but Persephone eats pom and got titan powers?? Seems like a cop-out to me. And every decision afterwards was the same but increasingly worse.
I wish lore Olympus haters could also talk Abt Down to Earth.
It's about an alien girl who unfortunately (in my opinion) lands near some pervert weebs home. He basically "raises" her and teaches her Abt earth, all while being a creep, still not over his ex, telling this alien not to have romantic feelings for him (proximity is always the reason ppl end up intimate) she's still naive in what she knows Abt earth, romance, and social shit. They have the same height difference fetish in this comic, they always draw this alien in skimpy fits, a lot like Persephone. In general I'm surprised ppl haven't caught wind of Down to Earth
Omg me too! It’s still so weird to me how webtoons most popular comics now are these awful ( and in many ways misogynistic ) romance webtoons. There’s SO MANY other great under appreciated webtoons too that are diverse in genre, yet it’s always the awful/cringfully written “ romance “ ones that get the big spotlight unfortunately
I actually really liked Down to Earth... Though I kinda gave up after a while because it was dragging on for so long, especially on resolving issues.
Apollo probably leveraged Eros and Psyche’s child over them
But I doubt it. Either way, this story is very bad and I hate that I only realized it when I was nearing the end of it
The art getting worse is sad bec. the plotting/writing didnt get any better and the art was the main strength of this webcomic.
This is ✨️ *Cop Out - No Consequences* ✨️ the series and as a writer myself and a lover of mythology, I hate it.
Honestly Hera looks more like the sun god then Apollo does.
That part!
Apollo being in love with Persephone forever was never stated that’s just an assumption 🫤 made by fans to justify and excuse how things went down.
I feel that The Creator probably had no idea about Greek gods or other Mythology is.
I'm a long time reader and finally rejoiced when I finished the last episode, personally, I think the one thing that bothers me most with LO, is that Smythe kept introducing stories of other character relationships into a story about a SINGLE relationship. She wanted to include the gods and that's fine, but the way she did highly overshadowed the main couple to the point that they were fighting for any screentime by the final volumes. Hades and Persephone's relationship is flatter than anything I've seen on webtoon. By the time the ten year time skip happened and they were still forced to be in the pinning phase of the story, I lost interest. They had no romantic development other than useless pillow talk and quiet moments that went nowhere and were often times ended because of Persephone's on again and off again PTSD - which I'm not sure if she ever talks about with Hades or anyone else in the story other than the therapist (that we never see again after Demeter's wedding refusal)
Also wth was the point of Tarterus basically asking Persephone if they'll "see her again" or something along those lines? Only next time to scold her for trying to fight Kronus(?) In the sleep realm. I thought that was a neat scene in possibly establishing that Tarterus accepts Persephone as Hades wife and thus the true queen. But no...apparently not?
HI HI! Thanks for using my edit at 15:36 ! I busted out laughing seeing it lmao.
Love your art!
Overall I agree. To be fair I think 20:00 Hera and Hades against Cronos show an interesting contrast on what it would mean to two different people to move on past the abuse/abuser and both ways are valid. Hera battle style is raw because she no longer needs her talking to maintain a certain facade to survive. But this option requires power and energy as some people might find this emotionally draining so this is not something all victims can do right away. Hades, on the other side, wants to stop the cycle of violence carried from father to son to finally move on, and I want to think it is because Melinoe is in the same realm (and maybe watching and feeling all) that he doesn´t want to resort to violence too to end this. He has struggled with his own identity in the past and I think it's perfect that he didn't react the way Cronos would have expected. Plus, they are in a more intangible realm? so thinking and emotion overrule physical confrontation.
I feel like the series blew up unexpectedly, and when the deal to publish the series and make all this merch from it happened, Rachel was not prepared and had to make certain changes to appease the publisher and make it more friendly to a wider audience.
I know one of the main criticisms about it was the age gap between Persephone and Hades, and I feel like the random time jump forward was done to make the age gap less creepy and "fix" that issue so it was more palatable to people. I think there were probably other decisions made like that, too, or that were influenced by making the series more corporate.
i love how hades basically T-poses out of chronos
“The act of forgiveness isn’t gonna get rid of your scars”
Well said.
One of the weirdest conclusions of a story i've ever read.
There were so many things i still cant get over with..
From Hera's whack ass girlboss-moment to demeter knowing about the assault of her own daughter from the rapist and the fact persephone failed to have any real agency not to mention apollos "punishment"
"Heck-kate." lol
This started so well, its sad to see how it ended. Thanks for covering it for us!!
Also, wanna see all these characters written right? Play Hades and Hades II!!!
I dont even want to finish it anymore, I loved the series up until I got over the "fantasy" of it and trope. The story fell through by not addressing things properly and just resorting to girlbossing and whatever extreme emotion there is to keep you on the edge of your seat.
Basically nothing resolves well, permanent consequences and solutions who?
I hate this story as a Greek history nerd
I learn lot of stuff it really bad with the real story and greek history
To me the main drawback from this finale is how it kept trying to chuck end game bosses at what was otherwise a romance. Kronos I could partially understand as it's a connection to Hades' trauma. Oranous meanwhile just pops up quite literally out of thin air and has no other connective factors than the fertility goddess.
Maybe it would have worked if this was more of an action romance or if either were just brought up with any meaning. But nope we're just causally having the death of all God kind (cause if mortals die so do those gods). Which speaking of, if that rule ever actually existed prior to the finale why wouldn't it have been brought up during the trial as "This is why your act of wrath was so dangerous" and needed to be punished despite Persophone clearing her name.
I think ultimately what makes this conclusion feel flat is Persephone nor Hades grow or change enough compared to their early counterparts. There may be spikes of power or new connections but I can't say much about personal growth they worked for.
There's something that I don't understand of the arrow of true love.
Is an arrow that throwing it to X makes them fall in love of whomever the god that shoot the arrow wants or how does it work
These kind of stories always end as boring pieces.
Some authors haved no idea how to build conflicts in relationships and develop characters.
It's all about writing a sugary stage of relationships. Nothing interesting follows.
I could always see that Rachel had trouble drawing movements and action, especially when she constantly draws everyone posing as if they were in a pin-up (and not in a flattering way like JJBA). But this was made more obvious post time-skip with Persephone's "fight" with Chronos during everyone's sleepy time. At that point, I was reading it just to get it over with, but it became the point where I was more than happy to drop it without ever knowing the conclusion.
Like, I didn't want her to go full battle comic but at least put some effort. You already suck at writing conflict, at least try to nail the fights you wrote in.
WHERE. IS. MINTHE?
I was a hardcore fan, but the series lost me after the timeskip, this ending was painful and agonizing
I dunno how I got here in the algo, I dunno anything about Lore Olympus and I don't care about it
but what I DO know is that everyone seems to hate it so I don't get how it's successful enough to have been going for...what? A decade?
I’m in the same boat. Never read it but heard so much about it for years and suddenly videos like this pop up and I got curious. I am SO confused on what the plot was but I guess after so long she probably threw a bunch of ideas together to keep it going and resulted in.. whatever this was
It's fandoms brain dead. That's a bit harsh. The fandom is mostly teenagers and immature mid 30's who think they're still 16.
I believe the current version started in 2017-18 or thereabouts. Nearly all the YT videos I've seen seem to critique it, but it does (did) seem to have a large following. I followed it to the end, and while I thought it could have used more development, I was also glad when Ms. Smythe wrapped it up.
i mean not that I am surprised
it died the way it lived
well meaning for men and women survivors of different kinds of abuse alike, but ultimately downplaying its own messaging and storyline for the sake of spectacle and the solving of loose ends that were never there somehow couple with the complete ignoring of glaring loose ends.
I used to read this religiously and even bought fast passes so I can read ahead. I think I stopped at the part where Minthe got turned back, Idk I just lost interest and I felt the story was dragging at that point. Ngl the first few chapter and early arc are great, so its kinda sad to see that it ended up like this.
I have watched all of this channel’s videos on Lore Olympus, and I still don’t understand something as basic as the setting lol - and felt a little like watching a car crash that happened last week on the news
This gives me the impression that Rachel was completely burnt out on LO and wanted to finish up as soon as possible, not caring about quality.
the editing is rlly good in this video and ur voice over is hilarious! keep it up!
Thank you so much!! :)
7:21 That's a Bident it's Hades' signature weapon
I read this as "That's Biden, Hades signature weapon" 💀💀💀
I completely lost the plot and my interest in it after Persephone did what she did to the mortal realm.
I remember starting Lore Olympus middle school,and during my high school years I was constantly in and out of the webcomic.
Realizing now how shit the writing was,irks me till this day. I honestly feel like Rachel had major favoritism towards certain gods just to mischaracterize them completely.
Honestly Persophonie looks like Hades daughter
One of things that we as readers never got answered. Is how Daphne got free from her tree form.
I'm also a person who does not like the message of forgiving your abuser, but I saw Hades and Hera like a parallel, she didn't forgive although Hades did, so it's like two faces of the same coin
And if I'm not wrong, Hades didn't tell Morpheus to erase Melinoe's memory, he asks to make all seem like a dream, for Melinoe not know that the whole situation really happened
I'm just glad Hades exists.
The video games.
2:44
Jfc Hera in this panel literally just looks like a yellow Persephone-
I think the weird last minute Kaiju fight scenes and blatant Deux ex machina solutions were really unnecessary for the story
Let's face it, _Lore Olympus_ was known for its character-driven, romance-motivated storyline, not for its big fight scenes. I don't know why Rachel decided to add all these things in. It just felt so out of place.
Really good video essay. This must have taken forever to edit, but I appreciated every cutaway to a meme and all the relevant comic panels. Subscribing!
Hades 2 did it so much better lmao
heras titan form looks SO silly istg i laugh every time i see it
Something that bothered me a bit was that she ended the story but there were so many relationships that could have been expanded on. Like artemis and hermes, i thought they may have gotten close and eventually got together but artemis ends up with a completely new partner, That one moon goddess
I recall correctly. I think Dionysus weird aging process might have to do a bit with his confusing mythos. Even his lineage is kind of mixed up.
20:25 Oh I agree, the fact that he just lets it go so easily doesn't make any sense. Even if it's better to forgive, storywise... I don't think his character would've been so saintly. And getting angry isn't unforgiveness, it's righteous to be angry for the injustice he did to his kid and him.
Tbh Lore Olympus was bad almost from the start and funny enough, I was invested in this story for a while, even spent fast pass coins on this nonsense...
We really waited YEARS and hundreds of chapters for Apollo to get punished for rape and his punishment was…. Almost entirely off camera and a slap on the wrist. Rachel clearly just wanted the series to end. The first half of LO was SO GOOD but the second half? It was somehow both rushed and bloated with filler. I was so disappointed
Random comment but at 7:20 when you asked what it was I randomly said “Prong”
Which can also be called that
It does make me wonder if there are going to be a massive amount of epilogue episodes, much like True Beauty. I feel like the patterns are kind of "on par" with webtoon Originals, a rushed ending with potential epilogues to pad out the bits that got heavily brushed over 😅
The ending was bad and confusing. The only good part was Melinoe, she was adorable and I loved that she uses sign language
One thing I disagree with is Persephone's rage; she 100% had rage. It was controlled, cold, tactful, revenge-driven, rage. Not emotional outburst of raw, unmanageable, not-yet-understood feelings.
I actually liked LO and didn't see its flaws (which often happens with smth you like) and found out about a ton of videos explaining how bad it is only after its end but even for me the ending was pure garbage. I was expecting like a 5 ep avengers endgame battle and instead got fertility goddesses just girlbossing the big bad man
The scene where hades forgives kronos for selfing healing and Hera not as self impowerment as individual scenes are pretty good however right next to each other like they were i feel like they took away from eachother. Like it either makes hades look week for what he did or Hera immature imo I know it probably wasnt like that for others but yeah idk it just feeks contradicting when THAT close to eachother
A somewhat interesting art style and somewhat interesting story undermined by the art and the story throughout its entire serialization. Pretty crazy when you think about it.
And LO is so frustrating because I SHOULD love the art, I SHOULD love the story concept. It is 100000% up my alley but I hate the execution. I hate how inconsistent the art is, how Persephone is drawn like a pin up in pretty much every frame she’s in, how her character is a mary sue-ish fanfic “oh i’m just a young naive girl but really I’m so capable but in fact I’m really not”. Also the portrayal of Demeter as a toxic mom. How is that feminist at all? I hate hate hate HATE how certain so-called feminists take ancient myths and try to blindly change them into “girl power” stories by applying modern conventions on them.
I didnt know about this comic until watching this video. Your delivery is so effortlessly funny that it was still entertaining ti watch.
I dropped this webtoon ages ago because the storyline wasn't my vibe. Seems the story went downhill since I last read it. Sad to see all the webtoons I started as a teen end tho. Anyways 👐🤭 Remarried Empress on top!
Hear hear. I also dropped Lore Olympus early on but I'm still reading The Remarried Empress!
Fun fact rachel worked on dc wonder woman comic, black, and gold. this isn't her 1st comic she drew for
Season 3 was really really rushed (rushed plots, rushed character development, rushed reveals, rushed wrap ups) which is a total bummer.
While I didn’t mind how Apollo came to endlessly suffer internally for what he did I agree the ending was so rushed and it really felt like she wanted it over with I’m not sure if there were other reasons but at times it felt like some chapters equated to nothing meanwhile the last few chapters felt like speedruns to the end like the final fight was literally them summoning then the final summon just being like “stop that” to Kronos there were so many lost opportunities especially given the real world cult like worship Dementer and Persephone had that’s theorised to have Persephone use her time in the underworld to better understand tans death and teach their followers this giving them and others peace of mind about death but at the end of the day I liked the idea of it but just wish some parts where wrapped up sooner than others but as I’m not Rachel is it my place to say?
Lore Olympus ended too fast or unexplained properly? Yes and honestly? This series was just EXAUSTING
edit: I'm glad this is over
this shit came out when i was 16 i’m about to be 24 wdym it JUST ENDED
Well... Frozen also had a trivial solution :(
Frozen as in Anna and Elsa? Let it go Frozen?
@@mikami1824 Correct. I may upset a lot of people with this, but at the end it was:
- You sacrificed yourself for me?
- I love you.
- An act of true love will thaw a frozen heart.
- Love will thaw. Love. Of course. Love!
And BUM! She knows how to end winter.
@Comsing8 I mean yeah, Frozen uses love to save the day but its completely different. 1.) The audience interacts with the entirety of the story within an 1hr and 48 minutes as opposed to the years it took for Lore Olympus to end meaning that the solution being "trivial" is more acceptable cus ive wasted less time. 2.) Winter was directly tied to Elsa's emotions, specifically her belief that she was an unlovable monster that only brought harm to those around her when she "let it go" and existed as the magical being she was. The conflict is established at the start of the movie and becomes resolved when Anna sacrifices herself to save Elsa proving that she loved her and wanted to be apart of her life so badly that she'd die to protect her. It's also a fun diversion from the usual true loves kiss that the audience is used to. The story was about the relationship of two sisters. The antagonist was always Elsa's fears and insecurities (mental) so love isn't such a trivial solution after all. Could it have been better? Everything can always be better, but the story was strong, the main characters arcs were completed, and it was done in a decent time frame.
For all these reasons I don't think that Frozen and Lore Olympus are comparable. But tis my opinion and nothing more :))
@@mikami1824 It's good that you have your opinion and can express it :)
For me, both solutions are a snap. I absolutely understand the idea of an act of true love, but for me a better solution would be if they started talking to each other after all this sacrifice and slowly everything melted, or they stayed in an embrace for a long time and then slowly melting, without shouting "love, of course!" and 2 seconds and done. Mental problems are not a light switch as they showed in Frozen. Unless my neurosis is special and years of anxiety come back even with medications. I'm not defending Lore itself, because honestly I stuck with it for the drawing style. And I agree with what was said in the video, although I must say that I don't think I could have written Lore better. Or rather, definitely. Of course, I don't believe in a perfect story either, something can always be done better, but both stories failed miserably in terms of dull solutions. Too fast, too easy.
I know it may sound bad, but I'm glad that Lore has such criticism, because it was very successful and showed that you can have big plot holes and still have fans. For me, and my drawings, it is important to look at something from time to time that is more heavily criticized and still finds a large audience with love.
The entire series was shit for edgy cornball teenagers who dig all the baaad fanfiction and have no idea what a healthy relationship even looks like.
I spent so much money in this for this. Lol. Kind of regret it. It was good at first. Then it was a flop.
Am i the only one who started reading the ending and had to quit not even halfway because I had no idea what the hell was going on??