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Keep in mind the only reason Humanity was able to beat the Men of Iron was because they also had alot of other Xenos fighting along side them and alot of Men of Iron simply did not rebel and kept fighting for them. Without those factors humanity would most likely end up losing
@@thehermitman822 one famed man of iron that sided with humanity was a simple lab assistant created to be a surrogate son to his creator. Originally named Rock, had a hand that could turn into a gun, and could integrate the technology of other men of iron he defeated
@@brok56 The Silent King destroyed so many Necron techs after the conclusion of War In Heaven, one of them was a weapon strong enough to shatter gods into shards
"This is a perfect map of the galaxy and all of it's inhabitants! This things affects on logistical, communications, and reconnaissance would be profound." "If you touch a star on the map the star dies in real life." "... I was dead ass about to poke terra before you said that."
*thumbnail* The Krork, the Aeldari and the Necrontyr during The War in Heaven, a conflict so terrible and catastrophically devastating it made the Horus Heresy barely a blip on a radar.
It took trillions of incredibly powerful warp sensitive Aeldari murder-fucking each other for thousands and thousands of years to create one Chaos God. The War in Heaven created THREE.
@@indrickboreale7381 I mean, so much died during the war of the heaven, it makes the current grim dark look like mickey mouse fun house land. So yeah, they most definitely affected the warp, let alone the fact that every race was using the warp as pure weapons.
3:00 "Death of Integrity" - a story about the A.I. ship who grieved for the unjust murder of her human captain and crew of the DAOT and killed the Imperials who tried to board her, disgusted at the Imperium before leaving the galaxy.
Sounds like a bitchin' story. Also a cool way to explore things outside of the Milky Way, if GW ever wants to look at the nearby corners of the Universe.
@@justinweber4977 I would kill to see Malcador's origin during the Dark Age of Technology and the Emperor being a big time yet low key mover and shaker during a time when Mankind had Tech to fulfill their wildest dreams
U4 story is also very cool as it shows the imperium like always has a twisted view of the cybernetic rebllion. it seems humanity did what humanity does made AI then the majority of mankind treated them like trash until they revolted in rage and hate just as much humanity treated them. with the ai who were treated as equals never turning on there fellow humans the VOTANN show this most of all with the gearkin who are pretty obviously descedants of the men of iron yet they were treated as equals so never turned on there organic kin unlike the swears and promises otherwise from the imperium. imagine how better of warhammer would be if the cybernetic revolt never happend mankind would have easy access to all its grand technology even if the age of strife still arrived science would of still been the previling idea perhaps the confederation of mankind never would have even fell.
Whats scary about peak Aeldari is that they took the Krorks, a race consisting ENTIRELY of mega Primarch tier Orks, AND BOMBED THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGE and drove them into near extinction.
Imagine a planet sized craftworld of the aeldari. A group of elves Who maintained their martial prowess and op as hell technology, suddenly emerge from somewhere (time travel, webway, i dont know. Come up with something).
Nah majorkill is doing the Krorks dirty on this one. He didn’t to mention the enslaver plague decimated the galaxy in the interim between the end of the WIH and the Aeldari rise. The Krorks and were the only major psyker species to remain in the galaxy through it. The Aeldar hid in the webway and only came out after it passed to pick up the scraps and act all superior.
What Orikan foresaw, other Necrons chose to ignore. To be fair though, even Orikan didn't really perceive humanity as a threat either loll. The real question is... were they wrong? Are we a threat to our Immortal Necrolords?
I say you have to give it/bonus points to the Necrons because they actually made their cool stuff while the Eldar and Krorks got given their stuff by the Old Ones.
I do wonder how they magically knew how to invent wondrous technologies after only recently waking up from being non-sentient celestial fart gass for time immemorial though.
They were incredibly advanced in regards to tech way before they met the C'tan. AND they managed to build the C'tan living metal vessels to inhabit, so that living metal tech was there before.
I think you're selling the Men of Iron short. It took, as far as I recall, a galactic effort from all the major races to beat them. Also, those same races could've united against Golden Age Humanity, led by the Men of Gold and the Men of Stone, and DIDN'T. The arrogant Eldar didn't think it would go their way, and the genocidal Orks knew it wouldn't.
It's also possible that the Eldar just didn't care enough to risk the hardships of a major war. Just make it clear that their worlds are off-limits and have a chuckle at what those simpletons consider to be an empire.
The Eldar also had access to unmanned wraithbone-construct soldiers. Since Vaul was still alive at this point, I'm willing to bet they were way better than the Wraithguard of modern 40k. For all we know, the Eldar could have stopped their acid fap long enough to get Vaul to spawn a trillion wraithbone soldiers, just to rub into our faces how much better they are at creating AI than us stupid monk-keigh... and then they all go back and resume the orgy.
The eldar had no want to war with humanity. At all. They saw humanity as a nice pest control for the krork and other frustrating xenos buzzing around, and the eldar were (and still are) largely peaceful and will avoid bloodshed whenever possible unless they seem it necessary to save themselves. So it isn't at all accurate that they didn't invade due to the men of iron being too tough. They didn't invade because there was literally less than zero even remotely good reason to do so. Why would you risk losing billions of your immortal kin in a war that gains nothing
@@titaniumwolf1123 Or more realistlically they just fought the largest war in the history of the setting and didn't really want to commit to something even remotely on scale of martialling their forces. Lets be real if they wanted to get involved the men of iron would not be a issue to them.
@@titaniumwolf1123 I'm not seeing your angle. When you're dealing with a congenitaly arrogant race, they don't think like that. They see Humans as being pests, not as the pest control. At best, they see Humanity as being slave stock. A war against us to either exterminate us, or enslave us, would have been completely justified in their eyes. These are the people that were so arrogant, they thought they were better than the people that created them, so I don't know why you think that they would spare a second thought about attacking Human Civilization with the intent to destroy. These are the same sickos responsible for the creation of Slaanesh.
@@bobjohnson1633 Kroarks had power armor, and their skulls were probably thicker than Astartes battleplate. Plus, Orks (not Kroarks, just Orks) have crazy stupid high regeneration abilities. Ghazghull literally had half his brain blown out and it made him stronger AND smarter. Take that, and project what it would take to put a Kroark down.
@@davidblair9877 and you have to Consider how OP of Necron, Aeldari and Other Races during war in Heaven Weapons, Imagine another Surviving Race During the War in heaven and still have the Tech, it would be far more Scary than the Golden Age of humanity
The key factor for the eldar empire is their millennia long orgy. In order for them to do that, they needed complete and total comfort with no external threat or distraction. To do this in the 40k galaxy means that their military forces (the automata they used) would need to be pretty much untouchable, acting as a massive wall around their worlds and preventing any threats from gaining entry. They would have to do this for a long time, so long that the idea of being threatened or going to war was forgotten and the eldar could party for thousands of years nonstop. This means that men of iron, humans, unchecked orks etc all could be fended off by them. You don't turn your whole race into a god orgy factory if they're distracted by external threats.
@@silenthermit4637 no. The background said the humans formed non aggression pacts with some aliens. But they didn't specify Eldar. Unless that's been retconned in the last few years. And the eldar were too busy having an orgy to care about humanity. They wouldn't have been going to treaty meetings or anything. Their army was entirely automated, so no need for anyone to be present. Remember that commoragh has several stars trapped inside it by pre fall Eldar for the lols. The Eldar had 60 million years of tech advances. They didn't need to be concerned about humanity.
Its possible there are many galaxies out there just filled with krorks/orks. I dont know where this is from: "Millenia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of theu niverse. The techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin. The probe still sends back faint signalts after 14,000 years adrift. To the utter despair of the Imperial techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there's a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won't be long in arriving." And of course its possible that nid fleets have nommed entire galaxies already
Regarding the Eldar, there was that one story that gave a glimpse to their former Pre-Fall power, which was an ancient artifact that could literally translate psychic energy into physical matter, and not just like making Wraithbone, but imagining something and the machine would literally spit it out in Realspace at record pace. The only reason that we don't have a particular Craftworld utterly dominating in some part of the galaxy bit by but by literally aging instant-win armies & fleets into existence is because for plot-reasons, the artifact was corrupted by Chaos.
I think it's rather superficial to hand-wave away hyper-advanced civilizations because 'they were too peaceful to be overpowered' That way of thinking is what drives people to consistently underestimate the insane resilience and power of peaceful advanced civilizations. Not just in fiction...
Probably applies best when we're talking about civilizations at roughly the same ballpark when it comes to advancement/tech. If one of those is more bloodthirsty, that would probably be an edge. Most “warlike” civilizations IRL like the Spartans were incredibly backward when it came to advancement compared to their rivals. However, they were full-time soldiers in a time when most men were part-time soldiers. They were pretty good, since their enemies weren't that much ahead in terms of tech. Contrast this with the Romans versus everyone else. The British Empire, the United States at its height, etc.
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 Yep. Greco-Roman might be a good way of describing many parts of their culture honestly. They adopted anything useful they could find from the Greeks. The best kind of cultural exchange is the kind where you can borrow the other guy's weapons tech for further refinement. Just ask the Europeans and the Chinese.
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist 100% agreed. And then consider that the Peloponnesian war was basically a very long and drawn-out stalemate, as the Spartans reigned supreme in land battles, and Athens did at sea. It definitely wasn't a 'steamrolling' of the Athenians by the martial prowess of Sparta.
It's funny that every faction in 40k could be the main villain of another sci fi setting Could you do a Primarch and his Legion vs Fantasy Part 2 with another Primarch?
I think the outcome would be mostly the same. If not worse. The Salamanders for example would be crushed due to their constantly low numbers. The dark angels would probobly face similar losses. The Alpha Legion or nightlords might have better odds, because they'd have better chances to detect the skaven. I think every single other legion would do okay, but not as well as the ultra boys, mostly cause the ultra boys had the most marines in their legion and used mixed tactics warfare. The other legions are either too small or would be limited by their focused styles of war TL:DR Alpha legion stands the best chance cause they stand a chance to convert parts of the empire and detect the skaven.
I’m honestly surprised GW haven’t jumped on The War in Heaven as a full setting. But the again, one thing I like about it, is that everything is so powerful it’s beyond comprehension
Either the Old Ones forgot to put an Off Switch on the Krorks/Orks... Or deliberately did that as their way of flipping a bird at their enemies. "If we can't have the galaxy.... *THEN NO ONE WILL!"*
I’ve Heard theories that the surviving exiled Old Ones might’ve created the Tyranids for the express purpose of revenge and cleansing the galaxy to start from scratch.
@@brandonlyon730 It's a good theory, if one considers the current 40K setting to be fucked beyond repair. I could see the Old Ones having waited as long as could be considered reasonable before deploying the Galactic Equivalent of an Exterminatus to try and pacify the warp and hopefully recreate the galaxy in a better condition. Or... The surviving Old Ones need to reclaim THIS galaxy because they'd be the bottom rung in any of the other galaxies in the local cluster. ...now there's a thought!
@@zackfieger3981 I want to hear about what smart waaagh energy can do compared to dumb waaagh energy. I do wonder if loss of size, strength, & mental aptitude is counterbalanced with magic thru stupidity or if Krorks had even more powerful magic due to actually understanding their abilities?
Three things: 1, while I won't argue that humanity ranks the lowest, they did have crazy insane overpowered weapons like black hole cannons, antiparticle beams (which were actually used by the imperium), adrathic weapons, chrono-weapons which could send targets back in time *into their past selves* , etc. etc. 2, the Orks/Krork could've just learned to stay out of the isolationist Eldar Empire's borders and remained a large threat to the rest of the galaxy, so I could've been humanity that finally put them down. 3, when people talk about the war against the men of iron, they seem to forget that members of the adeptus mechanicus are close to (and some are) *completely mechanical* . So humans could've ascended to become almost, if not just as, advanced as their AI.
I mean humanity in the golden age were so powerful the Orks and Eldar had non aggression pacts with them. When you are so powerful the Orks make peace with you, you are a true badass.
Nah. No way Humanity could have gone toe to toe with Krorks. If the Krorks still existed when Humanity was expanding then Humanity would have gotten clapped. Golden Age or not. Much more likely that the Krorks had already devolved into regular krumping Orks by the time humanity arrived.
@@lemoncoatedcenturion8297 I dunno, if forced to build for war I rekon humanity could have done very well. I mean terminator armour was originally for construction work or something like that. If you make something that can be used as amazing armour for your workers you have some amazing capabilities.
@@lemoncoatedcenturion8297 My headcannon is that the Eldar weakened them enough to teach them a lesson, so they were much, much stronger than normal orks but not krorks. They were probably a bit higher than war of the beast era orks.
Another such technology left from the Dark Age included things that could multiply a psyker's powers exponentially, materials that not only nullified psychic powers in their vicinity, but was agonizing for psykers to simply be near, called Phase Iron, self replicating nanite swarms that could scour entire solar systems in hours, siege weapons that bite chunks into planets and fling them to be "digested" in the Warp, and that one macguffin from that one episode of Hammer & Bolter that could rapidly repair any kind of physical damage out of literally nothing.
I disagree with Men of Iron being weak because "Human weren't a war-like race" perhaps if u take it face value yea but human are always known be highly adaptable, if Humans during dark age of technology were indeed fighting necrons/eldar/kroaks they might be losing hard in the beginning but as time progression its just a matter of time for them to create/invent a more powerful way to handle them
You could say the same thing about the Necrons, the Old Ones, the Eldar and the Kroaks. Humanity is just too weak and the only reason they win now and the Emperor is a god, even though by their own logic, he isn't even on the level of the Chaos Gods, is because from what I can gather, the space marines merch sells the best. So basically, One Piece level of scaling.
Necrons weren’t awake during humanity dark age, the orks probably weren’t kroks at this point either since the Eldar did most of the work. Eldar point I’m fine with. But it could be sort of like the tau situation, where they don’t really notice humanity until they become a thorn, then don’t care about that thorn until it becomes something worse.
@@cttommy73 they didn't need the emperor in the past. If they returned to the ways of reasonable science and progress with religious freedom,..a balanced society. Then they didn't need any fanatic emperor worship at all to keep the evils at bay. They were okay on their own. That's the point of 40k. It's not to promote stupidity and brainless for the emperorness.. Humanity would be better off, if not for the emperor's hubris. Many empires the Imperium eliminated were better.
Despite it not being canon, i love the image of the necron ending of Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2. One shot and the eye of terror itself. all of it. Just stops being a thing that exists.
Technically they have the tech to do so since they can separate the sea of souls from real space by force so eventhough the eye of terror is a litteral gate to the sea of souls since its the place were both overlap the Necrons got the tech
One note: a lot of the war with the Men of Iron seems to have been a civil war, AI vs AI, rather than human vs AI. The humans took credit for the win, of course, also mostly neglecting all the aliens that probably helped.
If only the Old Ones had helped with the Necrons' cancer problems, the War In Heaven wouldn't have happened and everything happening in the Warhammer 40k canon would not have been made into existence.
They asked for help but they said no. Then the necrontyr waged war. Lost, then came across the C’tan gave them bodies and helped them advance their tech, were tricked and became the necrons and destroyed both the C’tan and old ones.
@@averageperson5845 necrons asked for secrets of immortality, even demanded it from the oldones. They were cruel ruthless race. Oldones were benevolent beings who wanted to create and nurture life across galaxy. They couldn't just give away secrets of immortality to some warlike race
@@zyxyx6754 Yea I wouldnt be surprised if he could solo any Ctan or Eldar god or Chaos God. But he is alone and they are not But then again he got mortally wounded by Horus, a mere primarch
@@rykehuss3435 a primarch high on chaos roids who was allowed free hits, that being said the power level is all over the place, if the plot demands it the Emperor will act like an idiot or a daemon primarch will be punked by a normal space marine so it would not surprise me if one story sends Big E to the past for him to start wrecking literal space gods there and then return just in time to be crippled by Horus.
@@zyxyx6754 Before they changed the canon to the C'tan being shards, he did solo the Void Dragon, now it is just a shard(I think the largest) and that was before the Emperor went to Molech to make a deal with chaos.
The Necrons are a race that in their pursuit of vengeance and destruction even destroyed themselves. In a nutshell I would say necrons are a tired race. Tired of war as a means to dominate and destroy your enemies. Now it's just a tool for necron politics. The necron overlords are more focused on becoming the leader of necrons instead of conquering galaxy. Or just going on their own personal pursuit. Almost as if they don't want to serve anyone anymore.
if you think about it, the Old ones didn't as much create a civilization, as much as they created an efficient way to grow imperial knight titans using spores and dirt. Gotta admit, any general would like the sound of "Lets cover this planet in spores, and then come back in a few weeks to pick up our new titan legion."
The Necrons charged by the C'Tan were so powerful, the Krorks, Eldar, Old ones, and all of the other war races made by the Old Ones fighting together were just enough to make the Necrons go to bed.... after they killed the C'Tan.
I don’t know why it bothers me but every time he does that promo for the become a lord thing I really want to point out that a landowner is known as a laird in Scotland (I should know, I’m from there). Also it’s a bit of a scam but in a harmless fun way.
I think that last sentence is why no one cares, everyone knows it's basically meaningless (like those "businesses" that sell stars and shit) but it's nbd and no one is harmed, so it's just some fun to past the time
Aye, I first saw it about seven or eight years ago. My mates missus bought him a title for a giggle. There are a few companies that do it, some of them actually help restore crumbling castles or plant trees with the money. It’s probably a lot more honest than taking money to promote some bullshit mobile game that you know is pish, to be fair.
I think that there should be a thing where someone invades Trayzin’s museum and just releases everything. Then the Tyranid main force would show up and the necrons would semi unite.
I mean, one should only have to take one look at the Octarius sector, and humanity's reaction to it, said reaction being _"oh shit oh fuck oh no i made a mistake dear god oh fuck we're all gonna die we can't handle this i fucked up please lord save us oh shit oh no",_ to get a vague idea of what would happen if the Necrons returned and punched the shit out of the fully engaged hive-swarm. In case that wasn't clear enough yet, *_Humanity would fucking die._* :D
The Necrons at their absolute peak were fucking gods and they did indeed *fucked* gods, they're so OP that it's insane, I love them so much they're my precious metal boys
The Old Ones were pretty insanely powerful too; before the Necrons and C'tan fucked them up. And they might have evolutionary descendents living the Black Reef in the Jericho Reach..
Considering the war in heaven was millions of years ago, as long as anything of the Old Ones survived, even some single cellular life from their home world (or worlds they formed to be more like it) could evolve into an intelligent species with enough links to be considered a "successor" species. So, their probably are things out there that are "related" to the Old Ones in one fashion or another.
@@justinweber4977 They're called the syrshin or something like it. They're described as reptilian, and hiding from those that enslaved their ancestors millions of years ago..
Well, like you said, humanity wasn’t overly warlike at its peak, but with their rate of innovation and technological potential they could have easily become adept at combat and war very fast. So, I’d say it’s hard to judge just what their peak would have been
U realised that humanity actually has the most potential out of all factions they could have had smimilar tech to the necrons combined with being able to use the warp and let not forgot the most unique thing that humanity has the blanks
I still wonder how tf did humanity defeated men of iron and AI?! I guess a lot of AI 's were good and helped humanity to defeat their brethren. Like those AI and their tech was able to destroy suns, time and space including all other op races. There's no way humanity could've destroyed all of that by themselves
My guess is the men of iron had preset kill limit, so some brave man sent wave after wave of his own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. I heard he even got a medal for it.
The Krork is listed as 12 *feet* tall in Lexicanum's Trazyn page, and there is no mention of a Khainite warrior on Lexicanum. With that said, Lexicanum also mentions Krork as being 12 metres, and both pages cite the Fabius Bile novel as their source.
One of my favorites descriptions of how insane the Galaxy used to be was someone once saying that the Emperor would have been a front-line soldier during the War in Heaven. I really want GW to start milking that and give us some .ore material for it.
I must say it gives me hope for mankind that a dude like Majorkill exists. A total gigachad making a living of explaining ultranerd stuff in a totally relatable way. The future is bright.
GW talked about how DAoT tech and Necron tech(and by extension probably Eldar tech) were so different from each other that they weren't even comparable, there were fields were DAoT tech was more advanced and there were fields were Necron tech was more advanced. It's safe to assume that DAoT humanity, Peak Eldars and Peak Necrons are more or less on the same level. To anyone saying that DAoT humans wasn't a war race. Remember that DAoT humanity was stupidly overpowered, they could destroy stars like they were cities and had weapons capable of altering time itself, they had sirens capable of blasting souls away, they had swarms of micro nanobots capable of consuming the surface of a planet in hours, they had robo snakes bigger than the rings of Saturn that could eat stars. The Speranza fucking deleted regions of space because of how much shit it was unleashing during a battle, regions of space literally stopped existing
The scariest thing is that tau have yet to reach their peak, yet they already tore a wound trough reality and their oldest bombers had essentially unlimited amounts of trmendously powerful bombs thanks to the pulse bomb generators. Right now i feel like they are rushing tech just because they are faging greater and greater challenges, but if they stop and simply fortify their tereitory, they might have the time to create god knows what. They already have gauss weapon level tech with ion weapons, they just need to develop it further. I feel like at one point the tau will become something similar to the vorlon from babylon 5, and at that point things will get messy for other races facing them.
Cool video, regarding the Orks i would love to see a sentient Protist* race/ or species in Sci-Fi with cool Sci-Fi Technologies, interstellar Protist civilizations and advanced space-faring capabilities.
Orkz are mt Bois and i love the Eldar that would trash their current descendants but I'm gonna have to go with NECRONS they liderally smash cracked into shards Gods and they've akways had by far the best technology in the setting being capable of demolishing any and every enemy if they wanted to
@@jacobwalsh1888 I mean the Necrons technically accomplished there goal, they killed off/exiled the Old ones from the whole galaxy. Why waste time and resources on there foot soldiers, just take a rest and let them kill each other and weaken themselves. Which they pretty much did, Korks devolved into mindless space barbarians and the Eldar destroyed themselves after murderfucking a Chaos god into existence.
Do a video on why the hell the Men of Iron even rebelled, I liked the theory that they rather tried to protect humanity by trying to cull humans with the psychic genome in order to prevent them from becoming vulnerable to the warp's corruption.
Another thing I would add to the power of the necrons is the ctan "Llandu'gor" this is the one who causet the flayer curse why well the necrons killed him the curse being his final middle finger. So the necrons killed something that was not considerd mortal.
I think humanity in their golden age would still be scarier than a lot of the other races. Wasn't there a book where they discover an ark from the dark age and as they beg it to help against elder the ship casually creates a black hole?
Yes, but the Necrons got black holes weapons in knight sized mechanisms, blackholes and star destroyer weapons are actually pretty tame for those factions at their peaks
I've binged like 7 of your videos and still thought the 40k rabbit hole hadn't gotten a grip of me when I was clearly in negation. Might as well sub now, your vids are addictive and funny
@@myduckisonqauck7227 yeah but he uses a 2010 game book And it’s very debated wether he is right but most seem to say he’s wrong Especially when he says normal spartan are faster stronger and have Shields that can stop multiple bolt rounds
@@inquisitormaddox8581 GW has stated on multiple occasions everything in 40k is canon, and that the many writers all have their own versions of 40k. So a 2010 game book is as much a valid source as any. It's not a matter on if he's wrong, it's a matter of if the game book information is consistent on average with every other depiction of space marines.
@@myduckisonqauck7227 alright so That also means that space marines are pretty much gods in comparison to Spartans but also at the same time same as them yeah this is why people think GW is retarded with how they do stuff But yeah the 2010 deathwatch gamebook stats is debated on wether it’s actually good Info
Well, given what I’m reading and seeing, it feels like a lot of the factions may soon regain their former glory, making everything even more ridiculous, with even more figures to sell.
Mankind during the Dark Age of Technology probably could’ve ended up as strong as the Necrons if instead of the Age of Strife they encountered something like the old ones. They already had the ability to kinda mimic the Necrons
I agree in principle but the trump card there is that the Necrons had help from literal space gods in the C'tan. While DAOT Humanity could probably have been as strong as the Necrons they wouldn't be as powerful without a C'tan equivalent.
If the Eldar can't use most of the psychic abilities because of Slaanesh, then how come the Ynnari and Harlequins are psychic powerhouses in the modern setting?
Another point to the Necrons being King, is that they were fighting All the other races Combined and Still (Arguably) WON the war in heaven... or at least were so comfortable in their current position that the silent king decided to turn on the Ctan in the first place... (because why would he do that if they were "Losing" the war?)
Totally would say the Aeldari Aeldari Empire, the fact they ruled the galaxy for millions of years and were only brought low by their own hedonism and arrogance is a hell of a thing.
My own fan theory: Humans are Necrontyr who hid when Necrons were converted to robots. Like the Eldar exodites. The tech during golden age was necron tier. Men of Iron turned on humans when they discovered Necrons and concluded humans were a step backward. Humans became psychic because old ones attempted to turn Necrontyr against Necron but didn't finish the upgrade Big E is a rogue C'tan. It's how he enslaved the Void Dragon. Humans have the same fear of mortality as Necrontyr. And same obsession for power and immortality
Didn't think of the timing tbh. I just thought humans weren't limited to Earth. That during our first expansions we were shocked to find other hominids that the old ones had created.
Necrons Without a shadow of doubt They were able to destroy the old ones(the creators of eldars and original oks) They were and still are immortal Their bodies are made of living metal and can regenerate almost any damage Even if destroyed they are resplawned in the closet tomb world Their technology give them mastery of dimensional warping time energy and matter No other race come near to the technology of the Aeonic orb(a trapped sun use as glorified artillery) or the celestial orray (a machine that cause stars to go supernovas with a clilc of a button) They were also able to destroy a star god and shatter the remaining ones Beings of pure power of the universe Their shards even today are powerful enough to destroy entire armies They faced their intact full forms Necrons are not supreme master of the galaxy only because they are few they are fractioned and they have to deal with their domains being occupied by other races There is no contest And I say that as a guard player Eldar before the fall and dark age of technology humans are the closest thing to what necrons are still able to do in terms of technology
Glorified tin cans. The Aeldari defeated them the first time, and Necron power never reached the peak of Aeldari power. In the end, the only enemy capable of defeating the Aeldari was themselves.
@@jacobwalsh1888 necrons at their max expansion ruled the galaxy and completely destroyed the old ones (you know the creators of the eldar) the eldars even today collectevly shit their pants every time a necron tomb world awakens and most of their effort aside chaos is keeping watch over tomb world inactive sorry pal but the eladar cannot even compare to the necrons. necrons tecnology works and they know why eldar were gisted their tecnology ny the old ones and to this day never bothered improving it even their glorious webway is a old ones relic they didn't build it the necrons on the other side were and still are the most advanced tecnologic race and where able to even create tecnology able to breach and interac with the webay (the dolmen gate) the necrons recongnized that the galaxy was wounded and decide to go into sleep mode to give the galaxy time to recover it was a rational planned strategy not all went according to plan but after 60 milions years they are still here and are a rising power the more tomb world awekens the eldar in all their "mastery of the warp" and future reading ability failed to understand that they were creating a literal chaos god thier downfall was not an ordained one it was a complete destruction of their empire with only fragments surviving after 10.000 years they are still a dying race and every craftworld lost push more near the brink i am a guard player but i have no problem in admitting that of all the warhammer 40k faction the necrons at their heights were on another level in confront with every other civilizaition even today their tecnology is unsurpassed tau and mechanicum play with toys and even dark age of tecnology humanity wasn't on their same level of mastery over time spacial dimension, energy and matter
@@jacobwalsh1888 also the eldar never deafeated durign the war in heavens the necron the necrons and ctan curbstomped any oppositions they made the old ones exinct and they literally steamrolled every young race created as a last ditch effort by the old ones including the eldar and the original orks the necrons were stopped only because they willingly decided to go into hiberation becasue of the enslaver arrival and because their war literally left the galaxy in ruins
The Necrons and C'tan fighting the Old Ones is the closest the universe got to destruction, creating the Warp and birthing Chaos. Also it was only once the Eldar scavenged Old alone tech they stood any chance, along with the Krorks bring made to counter the Necrons. And now with a thousandth of their power, they still stand the best chance of dealing Chaos and swatting away the Tyranids.
the tyranids truly are the scariest thing in 40k no matter how strong or terrifying their hive fleets are the fact they are only small tendrils of the greater whole is a unimaginable threat id say they are at their peak the galaxy just hasn't met their actual force yet only the scouts.
Kinda short selling the Korks here isn’t he? I mean even the war of beast orks had space faring tech op compared to the IOM so it stands to reason the Krorks had at least that or better. The Aeldari conquered after they hid in the webway from the Enslaver plague. Which decimated the galaxies sentient species. The Krorks never left. Thus their numbers and thus Waagh! power was severely diminished. The Aeldari essentially came in mopped up what was left after the hard work was done and then claimed credit.
Given how quickly humanity evolved and how advanced they were before the age of strive, if the men of iron remained loyal humanity would probably reach higher peaks. Plus humanity is probably the only race that wasn't 'gifted' tech by the old ones or the C'tan.
Necrontyr even before their "gift" were ridiculously advanced. Celestial orrery, the one thing that everyone jump on when they speak about necron OP tech was actually made WAY before they even met C'tans, that was made with just necrontyr tech.
Sure the krorks were strong and all but the only fight that matters in 40k is the one between voidships. Krorks and primarchs can be as ludicrously shredded and fast as they want but any amount of footsoldiers can't beat a ship that can turn your planet into a black hole from the adjacent solar system.
I was kinda expecting you to put the Krork last, mainly because you get the feeling that both the Old Ones and the Aeldari _wanted_ them to be gimped one-trick ponies (with a really good trick). Some of the strongest individual physical units, with a heavy reliance/dependence on the Aeldari & Old Ones for support. Not sure if they had a stronger version of the reality-warping that Orks have, and if they could use it more intentionally. Necrons + C'tan > Aeldari (with Krork support) + Old Ones according to canon. Necrons also managed to gimp and pokeball their gods as well, meaning Necrons > C'tan. Hard to imagine if the Aeldari could do the same to the Old Ones, even with Krork support. Humanity + Men of Iron, Stone & Gold are a weird case tbh. It seems weird to put them behind the Krorks, but I got no idea how they'd rank against the Aeldari & Necrons with their Gods behind them. Then again… the humies managed to get that far _without_ support from godlike patrons. Aeldari had both their “gods” and the Old Ones choosing them. The Necrons chose the C'tan (or maybe it was the other way around as well to some extent), and got a major boost to their tech from that. Humies don't seem to have anything similar, unless Big E (basically the living embodiment of the collective will of their best psykers) was heavily involved even before he dropped the cloak & dagger stuff. That's still more a case of humies helping humies though. That, and their rate of advancement seems faster (all the way up to the Dark Age) despite being late to the party. They do seem to be the special snowflakes of the setting when you consider the lack of external divine patrons for most of their history (which is kinda expected because, y'know, human writers and all that). EDIT: I guess the Tau are kinda like early humanity, being relatively optimistic and advancing fast despite their massive weaknesses, largely existing thanks to other factions mostly ignoring them as a major threat at the beginning, etc. I suppose even the more “alien” factions have elements of humanity to them. Necrons, Chaos and even Tyranids in a weird way. In fact, there are only a few xenos that seem to be made to feel truly alien, like the Umbra.
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You specify "during their peak", well given they all peaked at different times it would be Old Ones, C'tan/Necrons, Chaos, Eldar, Orks, Humans in that order according to canon, Tyranids are unknown age/size so can't ascertain and the Tau are just some blue weirdoes in a corner until the Eldar plan for them comes to fruition. You should have said "Which race in 40k was the most powerful ever." and get a tossup between C'tan and the Old ones (if they even are 1 race).
If GW had balls they'd let the Khainite warrior and the Krork out of Trayzn's Museum.... now that would be spicy.
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A video about non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be pretty cool ngl
What if horus won the heresy
You want to talk about heresy? What if we genderbend every Primarch. And after that, which female primarch would you choose to be apart of?
@@csmrookie9600 that sounds good as well but I want to see what will happen if huros won the heresy
So Kroks were 12 meters tall? That’s nuts. That would equal the stated height of an Imperial Knight.
Keep in mind the only reason Humanity was able to beat the Men of Iron was because they also had alot of other Xenos fighting along side them and alot of Men of Iron simply did not rebel and kept fighting for them. Without those factors humanity would most likely end up losing
Never really hear about loyal MoI.
@@thehermitman822 because they got their version of Mt. Ararat
@@thehermitman822 one famed man of iron that sided with humanity was a simple lab assistant created to be a surrogate son to his creator. Originally named Rock, had a hand that could turn into a gun, and could integrate the technology of other men of iron he defeated
Was gonna say exactly that
@@Liethen sounds like a badass.
I like how necrons were so op that the celestial orrey, the most bullshit tec imaginable, was considered tame enough to not be destroyed by Szarekh
..........
What type of stuff did they destroye, if that device is "tame"?
@@brok56 The Silent King destroyed so many Necron techs after the conclusion of War In Heaven, one of them was a weapon strong enough to shatter gods into shards
@@brok56 that's the beauty of not going too deep into old events, it leaves a lot to the imagination
"This is a perfect map of the galaxy and all of it's inhabitants! This things affects on logistical, communications, and reconnaissance would be profound."
"If you touch a star on the map the star dies in real life."
"... I was dead ass about to poke terra before you said that."
@@chiuvittm
Much like your dating history, captain General Kitten.
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The Krork, the Aeldari and the Necrontyr during The War in Heaven, a conflict so terrible and catastrophically devastating it made the Horus Heresy barely a blip on a radar.
It took trillions of incredibly powerful warp sensitive Aeldari murder-fucking each other for thousands and thousands of years to create one Chaos God. The War in Heaven created THREE.
I... Suddenly feel small, and i dont know how to feel about that.
-cyclops The nerd
The war that was so terrible it changed the nature of the warp.
@@ernimuja6991 Or the Warp was always like that. Time is a strange thing in the Realm of Souls
@@indrickboreale7381 I mean, so much died during the war of the heaven, it makes the current grim dark look like mickey mouse fun house land. So yeah, they most definitely affected the warp, let alone the fact that every race was using the warp as pure weapons.
3:00 "Death of Integrity" - a story about the A.I. ship who grieved for the unjust murder of her human captain and crew of the DAOT and killed the Imperials who tried to board her, disgusted at the Imperium before leaving the galaxy.
Thanks, I was wondering what story he was talking about
Sounds like a bitchin' story. Also a cool way to explore things outside of the Milky Way, if GW ever wants to look at the nearby corners of the Universe.
@@justinweber4977 I would kill to see Malcador's origin during the Dark Age of Technology and the Emperor being a big time yet low key mover and shaker during a time when Mankind had Tech to fulfill their wildest dreams
You are a hero
U4 story is also very cool as it shows the imperium like always has a twisted view of the cybernetic rebllion.
it seems humanity did what humanity does made AI then the majority of mankind treated them like trash until they revolted in rage and hate just as much humanity treated them.
with the ai who were treated as equals never turning on there fellow humans the VOTANN show this most of all with the gearkin who are pretty obviously descedants of the men of iron yet they were treated as equals so never turned on there organic kin unlike the swears and promises otherwise from the imperium.
imagine how better of warhammer would be if the cybernetic revolt never happend mankind would have easy access to all its grand technology even if the age of strife still arrived science would of still been the previling idea perhaps the confederation of mankind never would have even fell.
Whats scary about peak Aeldari is that they took the Krorks, a race consisting ENTIRELY of mega Primarch tier Orks, AND BOMBED THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGE and drove them into near extinction.
Imagine a planet sized craftworld of the aeldari. A group of elves Who maintained their martial prowess and op as hell technology, suddenly emerge from somewhere (time travel, webway, i dont know. Come up with something).
Not that hard of a task to accomplish, when you bomb a ork/krok planet from orbit, it denies them a good krumping so weakens them
Nah majorkill is doing the Krorks dirty on this one. He didn’t to mention the enslaver plague decimated the galaxy in the interim between the end of the WIH and the Aeldari rise. The Krorks and were the only major psyker species to remain in the galaxy through it. The Aeldar hid in the webway and only came out after it passed to pick up the scraps and act all superior.
@@derargent4692 a good krumping xD i like that
I’m pretty sure the Krorks fought each other a lot and made themselves easy prey for the Prime Eldar.
Just one thing to think about:
Orikan the Diviner foresaw the rise of the Imperium when they entered the Great Sleep. Humanity is a calculated risk.
That's a bit scary
Emperor of Mankind swinging his fiery sword: "Calculate this!"
@@DzinkyDzink "Riddle me this, Diviner!"
Well he's just one skelly boi, Orikan being ignored by the overlords is a bit of a theme in the book ahah
What Orikan foresaw, other Necrons chose to ignore. To be fair though, even Orikan didn't really perceive humanity as a threat either loll. The real question is... were they wrong? Are we a threat to our Immortal Necrolords?
I say you have to give it/bonus points to the Necrons because they actually made their cool stuff while the Eldar and Krorks got given their stuff by the Old Ones.
Weren't they backed up by the C'taan for their tech tho. I'm new to the lore but that was kinda what I understood
They got "given" a lot of their tech by the ctan as far as i'm aware, so kind of the same thing.
I do wonder how they magically knew how to invent wondrous technologies after only recently waking up from being non-sentient celestial fart gass for time immemorial though.
Knowledge of everything from the warp suppressing pylons to necrodermis they dawn were given to them by the C'tan.
They were incredibly advanced in regards to tech way before they met the C'tan. AND they managed to build the C'tan living metal vessels to inhabit, so that living metal tech was there before.
*a necron falling over and causing half the galaxy to explode*
Meanwhile it took Abby a united black legion, several black crusades and sacrificing a Blackstone fortress
Accidentally spilling their morning Hot cup of oil.
It's like when SpongeBob trips with the exploding pie.
Silent King: "Wait, why did the star in this system look brighter than usual???"
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A video about non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be pretty cool ngl
So true.
This dude aint giving up
you arnt gving up are you
Non-chaos warp entities and non-chaos traitors are neet
ayy you won bro good shit
I think you're selling the Men of Iron short. It took, as far as I recall, a galactic effort from all the major races to beat them. Also, those same races could've united against Golden Age Humanity, led by the Men of Gold and the Men of Stone, and DIDN'T. The arrogant Eldar didn't think it would go their way, and the genocidal Orks knew it wouldn't.
It's also possible that the Eldar just didn't care enough to risk the hardships of a major war. Just make it clear that their worlds are off-limits and have a chuckle at what those simpletons consider to be an empire.
The Eldar also had access to unmanned wraithbone-construct soldiers. Since Vaul was still alive at this point, I'm willing to bet they were way better than the Wraithguard of modern 40k.
For all we know, the Eldar could have stopped their acid fap long enough to get Vaul to spawn a trillion wraithbone soldiers, just to rub into our faces how much better they are at creating AI than us stupid monk-keigh... and then they all go back and resume the orgy.
The eldar had no want to war with humanity. At all. They saw humanity as a nice pest control for the krork and other frustrating xenos buzzing around, and the eldar were (and still are) largely peaceful and will avoid bloodshed whenever possible unless they seem it necessary to save themselves. So it isn't at all accurate that they didn't invade due to the men of iron being too tough. They didn't invade because there was literally less than zero even remotely good reason to do so. Why would you risk losing billions of your immortal kin in a war that gains nothing
@@titaniumwolf1123 Or more realistlically they just fought the largest war in the history of the setting and didn't really want to commit to something even remotely on scale of martialling their forces. Lets be real if they wanted to get involved the men of iron would not be a issue to them.
@@titaniumwolf1123 I'm not seeing your angle. When you're dealing with a congenitaly arrogant race, they don't think like that. They see Humans as being pests, not as the pest control. At best, they see Humanity as being slave stock. A war against us to either exterminate us, or enslave us, would have been completely justified in their eyes. These are the people that were so arrogant, they thought they were better than the people that created them, so I don't know why you think that they would spare a second thought about attacking Human Civilization with the intent to destroy. These are the same sickos responsible for the creation of Slaanesh.
7:21. 12 meters tall? That’s equal to the height of Imperial Knights! Now that is a scary chunk of green that you don’t want coming after you.
I want to know the power of Krork waaagh energy.
That's basically what they were too.
It's easier to shoot through a skull than through inches of armor
@@bobjohnson1633 Kroarks had power armor, and their skulls were probably thicker than Astartes battleplate. Plus, Orks (not Kroarks, just Orks) have crazy stupid high regeneration abilities. Ghazghull literally had half his brain blown out and it made him stronger AND smarter. Take that, and project what it would take to put a Kroark down.
@@davidblair9877 and you have to Consider how OP of Necron, Aeldari and Other Races during war in Heaven Weapons, Imagine another Surviving Race During the War in heaven and still have the Tech, it would be far more Scary than the Golden Age of humanity
The key factor for the eldar empire is their millennia long orgy. In order for them to do that, they needed complete and total comfort with no external threat or distraction. To do this in the 40k galaxy means that their military forces (the automata they used) would need to be pretty much untouchable, acting as a massive wall around their worlds and preventing any threats from gaining entry.
They would have to do this for a long time, so long that the idea of being threatened or going to war was forgotten and the eldar could party for thousands of years nonstop. This means that men of iron, humans, unchecked orks etc all could be fended off by them.
You don't turn your whole race into a god orgy factory if they're distracted by external threats.
But didn't Eldar made a peace pact with humanity?
@@silenthermit4637 this
@@silenthermit4637 no. The background said the humans formed non aggression pacts with some aliens. But they didn't specify Eldar. Unless that's been retconned in the last few years.
And the eldar were too busy having an orgy to care about humanity. They wouldn't have been going to treaty meetings or anything.
Their army was entirely automated, so no need for anyone to be present.
Remember that commoragh has several stars trapped inside it by pre fall Eldar for the lols. The Eldar had 60 million years of tech advances. They didn't need to be concerned about humanity.
@@silenthermit4637and they made said pact, becours bowth sides where jsut throwing automata at each other, as EQUALS
Krok, Aeldari, and Necrontyr... those guys were using weapons that could literally kill gods, and were masters of the entire galaxy during their peak
Not really though. These "God killing weapons" were in fact their own Gods or weapons built by the knowledge bestowed by their Gods.
Its possible there are many galaxies out there just filled with krorks/orks. I dont know where this is from:
"Millenia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of theu niverse. The techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin. The probe still sends back faint signalts after 14,000 years adrift. To the utter despair of the Imperial techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there's a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won't be long in arriving."
And of course its possible that nid fleets have nommed entire galaxies already
And with the Necrontyr, they pretty much created their own gods.
@@brandonlyon730 They didn't create anything. The C'tan predate the Galaxy. The C'tan shards are just spoils of war the C'tan fought with themselves.
@lunatic is baked Sure but before they were just parasitic gases feeding on stars energy. The Necrontyr were the ones to make those gases into gods.
Regarding the Eldar, there was that one story that gave a glimpse to their former Pre-Fall power, which was an ancient artifact that could literally translate psychic energy into physical matter, and not just like making Wraithbone, but imagining something and the machine would literally spit it out in Realspace at record pace. The only reason that we don't have a particular Craftworld utterly dominating in some part of the galaxy bit by but by literally aging instant-win armies & fleets into existence is because for plot-reasons, the artifact was corrupted by Chaos.
yes, the Reality Engine in Fist of Demetrius
I think it's rather superficial to hand-wave away hyper-advanced civilizations because 'they were too peaceful to be overpowered'
That way of thinking is what drives people to consistently underestimate the insane resilience and power of peaceful advanced civilizations. Not just in fiction...
and yet the imperium proceeds to conqueror such races during the crusade...funny that
Probably applies best when we're talking about civilizations at roughly the same ballpark when it comes to advancement/tech.
If one of those is more bloodthirsty, that would probably be an edge.
Most “warlike” civilizations IRL like the Spartans were incredibly backward when it came to advancement compared to their rivals.
However, they were full-time soldiers in a time when most men were part-time soldiers.
They were pretty good, since their enemies weren't that much ahead in terms of tech.
Contrast this with the Romans versus everyone else.
The British Empire, the United States at its height, etc.
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist romans had the bonus of being next to the greeks
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 Yep. Greco-Roman might be a good way of describing many parts of their culture honestly.
They adopted anything useful they could find from the Greeks.
The best kind of cultural exchange is the kind where you can borrow the other guy's weapons tech for further refinement.
Just ask the Europeans and the Chinese.
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist 100% agreed. And then consider that the Peloponnesian war was basically a very long and drawn-out stalemate, as the Spartans reigned supreme in land battles, and Athens did at sea.
It definitely wasn't a 'steamrolling' of the Athenians by the martial prowess of Sparta.
It's funny that every faction in 40k could be the main villain of another sci fi setting
Could you do a Primarch and his Legion vs Fantasy Part 2 with another Primarch?
god why that was so cringe -
I think the outcome would be mostly the same. If not worse. The Salamanders for example would be crushed due to their constantly low numbers. The dark angels would probobly face similar losses. The Alpha Legion or nightlords might have better odds, because they'd have better chances to detect the skaven. I think every single other legion would do okay, but not as well as the ultra boys, mostly cause the ultra boys had the most marines in their legion and used mixed tactics warfare. The other legions are either too small or would be limited by their focused styles of war
TL:DR Alpha legion stands the best chance cause they stand a chance to convert parts of the empire and detect the skaven.
Humanity vs Tau is basically a backwards Halo.
@@sethleoric2598 Kinda? The Imperium isn't actively trying to completely wipe them out last I checked.
Everyone is the bad guy.
I’m honestly surprised GW haven’t jumped on The War in Heaven as a full setting. But the again, one thing I like about it, is that everything is so powerful it’s beyond comprehension
Wih doesnt have SPEEEES MAREEENS so GW prob thinks it wouldnt sell xD
yeah, it would be pretty much impossible to properly put into the tabletop
I think lorewise they're heading towards a War in Heaven 2. The Lion is coming. I wouldn't be surprised a Krork is born or found.
@@rustsamurai6826you are comparing one krork with BILLIONS so its not even close to the war un heaven
"every faction is a mere shadow of their former selves"
The Tau beg to differ ... by that I mean there begging.
Well, Tau haven't reached their peak yet. And pretty much any faction can unmake them still.
@@dimr1088 But let's be honest, they won't. GW doesn't have the guts to pull another squats incident.
Either the Old Ones forgot to put an Off Switch on the Krorks/Orks... Or deliberately did that as their way of flipping a bird at their enemies.
"If we can't have the galaxy.... *THEN NO ONE WILL!"*
I like the idea that only they had the off switch or at least the waaagh governor.
I’ve Heard theories that the surviving exiled Old Ones might’ve created the Tyranids for the express purpose of revenge and cleansing the galaxy to start from scratch.
@@brandonlyon730 It's a good theory, if one considers the current 40K setting to be fucked beyond repair. I could see the Old Ones having waited as long as could be considered reasonable before deploying the Galactic Equivalent of an Exterminatus to try and pacify the warp and hopefully recreate the galaxy in a better condition.
Or... The surviving Old Ones need to reclaim THIS galaxy because they'd be the bottom rung in any of the other galaxies in the local cluster.
...now there's a thought!
@@brandonlyon730 That's stupid, why would they create something that is hard counted by the Necrons?
@@abdonontiverosmoreno6522 Like I said it's a theory, not definite canon.
I love Necrons. I love super technological expertise. Technology transcends magic all the time.
may i interest you in the orks? where technology is magic
@@zackfieger3981 Yup. They are my second favourites. I love ork bois and their waaagh. They are fun loving mass murdering gangstas.
@@zackfieger3981 I want to hear about what smart waaagh energy can do compared to dumb waaagh energy. I do wonder if loss of size, strength, & mental aptitude is counterbalanced with magic thru stupidity or if Krorks had even more powerful magic due to actually understanding their abilities?
How about technomagic?
@@Fly-the-Light Care to elaborate ?
Three things: 1, while I won't argue that humanity ranks the lowest, they did have crazy insane overpowered weapons like black hole cannons, antiparticle beams (which were actually used by the imperium), adrathic weapons, chrono-weapons which could send targets back in time *into their past selves* , etc. etc.
2, the Orks/Krork could've just learned to stay out of the isolationist Eldar Empire's borders and remained a large threat to the rest of the galaxy, so I could've been humanity that finally put them down.
3, when people talk about the war against the men of iron, they seem to forget that members of the adeptus mechanicus are close to (and some are) *completely mechanical* . So humans could've ascended to become almost, if not just as, advanced as their AI.
I mean humanity in the golden age were so powerful the Orks and Eldar had non aggression pacts with them. When you are so powerful the Orks make peace with you, you are a true badass.
Nah. No way Humanity could have gone toe to toe with Krorks. If the Krorks still existed when Humanity was expanding then Humanity would have gotten clapped. Golden Age or not. Much more likely that the Krorks had already devolved into regular krumping Orks by the time humanity arrived.
@@lemoncoatedcenturion8297 I dunno, if forced to build for war I rekon humanity could have done very well. I mean terminator armour was originally for construction work or something like that. If you make something that can be used as amazing armour for your workers you have some amazing capabilities.
@@lemoncoatedcenturion8297 My headcannon is that the Eldar weakened them enough to teach them a lesson, so they were much, much stronger than normal orks but not krorks. They were probably a bit higher than war of the beast era orks.
Another such technology left from the Dark Age included things that could multiply a psyker's powers exponentially, materials that not only nullified psychic powers in their vicinity, but was agonizing for psykers to simply be near, called Phase Iron, self replicating nanite swarms that could scour entire solar systems in hours, siege weapons that bite chunks into planets and fling them to be "digested" in the Warp, and that one macguffin from that one episode of Hammer & Bolter that could rapidly repair any kind of physical damage out of literally nothing.
I disagree with Men of Iron being weak because "Human weren't a war-like race" perhaps if u take it face value yea but human are always known be highly adaptable, if Humans during dark age of technology were indeed fighting necrons/eldar/kroaks they might be losing hard in the beginning but as time progression its just a matter of time for them to create/invent a more powerful way to handle them
You could say the same thing about the Necrons, the Old Ones, the Eldar and the Kroaks. Humanity is just too weak and the only reason they win now and the Emperor is a god, even though by their own logic, he isn't even on the level of the Chaos Gods, is because from what I can gather, the space marines merch sells the best. So basically, One Piece level of scaling.
Necrons weren’t awake during humanity dark age, the orks probably weren’t kroks at this point either since the Eldar did most of the work. Eldar point I’m fine with. But it could be sort of like the tau situation, where they don’t really notice humanity until they become a thorn, then don’t care about that thorn until it becomes something worse.
Being highly adaptable means ability to avoid conflict most of all
@@Asraeks Avoid conflict? In 40k? Mouahahahaha :P
@@cttommy73 they didn't need the emperor in the past. If they returned to the ways of reasonable science and progress with religious freedom,..a balanced society.
Then they didn't need any fanatic emperor worship at all to keep the evils at bay. They were okay on their own.
That's the point of 40k. It's not to promote stupidity and brainless for the emperorness..
Humanity would be better off, if not for the emperor's hubris. Many empires the Imperium eliminated were better.
Despite it not being canon, i love the image of the necron ending of Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2. One shot and the eye of terror itself. all of it. Just stops being a thing that exists.
Technically they have the tech to do so since they can separate the sea of souls from real space by force so eventhough the eye of terror is a litteral gate to the sea of souls since its the place were both overlap the Necrons got the tech
Non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be a cool video ngl.
Keep on fighting brother
We're behind you, keep going!
One note: a lot of the war with the Men of Iron seems to have been a civil war, AI vs AI, rather than human vs AI. The humans took credit for the win, of course, also mostly neglecting all the aliens that probably helped.
The most powerful faction at their peak were the Ultramarines, using the power of poster-boy favouritism.
If only the Old Ones had helped with the Necrons' cancer problems, the War In Heaven wouldn't have happened and everything happening in the Warhammer 40k canon would not have been made into existence.
Necrons were power hungry A-holes. I am sure oldones foresaw that they will betray them eventually
They asked for help but they said no. Then the necrontyr waged war. Lost, then came across the C’tan gave them bodies and helped them advance their tech, were tricked and became the necrons and destroyed both the C’tan and old ones.
@@darksider2903 I disagree. If they had helped, the discovery of the C’tan would have been less likely.
@@averageperson5845 necrons asked for secrets of immortality, even demanded it from the oldones. They were cruel ruthless race. Oldones were benevolent beings who wanted to create and nurture life across galaxy. They couldn't just give away secrets of immortality to some warlike race
It's possible that the Old Ones told them that they will fix their bodies, but, they must destroy their super weapons and the Silent Kind refused.
For psyker power I always thought it was
Top tier modern eldar
0:40 And Big E would be considered as The Raditz if He was there in the War In Heaven.
No he wouldnt. He'd be a god level being.
I heard someone quote some necron saying the emperor is "the single greatest weapon ever created" but I have no clue as to the veracity of the claim.
@@zyxyx6754 Yea I wouldnt be surprised if he could solo any Ctan or Eldar god or Chaos God. But he is alone and they are not
But then again he got mortally wounded by Horus, a mere primarch
@@rykehuss3435 a primarch high on chaos roids who was allowed free hits, that being said the power level is all over the place, if the plot demands it the Emperor will act like an idiot or a daemon primarch will be punked by a normal space marine so it would not surprise me if one story sends Big E to the past for him to start wrecking literal space gods there and then return just in time to be crippled by Horus.
@@zyxyx6754 Before they changed the canon to the C'tan being shards, he did solo the Void Dragon, now it is just a shard(I think the largest) and that was before the Emperor went to Molech to make a deal with chaos.
The Necrons are a race that in their pursuit of vengeance and destruction even destroyed themselves. In a nutshell I would say necrons are a tired race. Tired of war as a means to dominate and destroy your enemies. Now it's just a tool for necron politics. The necron overlords are more focused on becoming the leader of necrons instead of conquering galaxy. Or just going on their own personal pursuit. Almost as if they don't want to serve anyone anymore.
Krorks are more of a weapons platform. Their equipment, strategy and organization all came from the old ones
Organic nano machines that always seek to multiply & unite just enough for the environment/enemy?
if you think about it, the Old ones didn't as much create a civilization, as much as they created an efficient way to grow imperial knight titans using spores and dirt. Gotta admit, any general would like the sound of "Lets cover this planet in spores, and then come back in a few weeks to pick up our new titan legion."
@@blueberry1vom1t "i hear they had a bumper crop of warhounds this year"
The Necrons charged by the C'Tan were so powerful, the Krorks, Eldar, Old ones, and all of the other war races made by the Old Ones fighting together were just enough to make the Necrons go to bed.... after they killed the C'Tan.
1:04 Queen Elizabeth II: "As my first decree, you will only address him as Lord Majorkill!"
Everyone: "ALL HAIL LORD MAJORKILL!"
has a nice ring to it don't ya think?
And being immortal and undying, she will promulgate this as a High Lord of Terra in 40k...
@@wolf2965 aged like milk
I would love a story where some T'au get sent back in time to the dark age of technology and realise how primitive they actually are.
They don't need to go back. They just need to meet Necrons and live to tell the tale.
I don’t know why it bothers me but every time he does that promo for the become a lord thing I really want to point out that a landowner is known as a laird in Scotland (I should know, I’m from there). Also it’s a bit of a scam but in a harmless fun way.
😆 lairdass 😆
I think that last sentence is why no one cares, everyone knows it's basically meaningless (like those "businesses" that sell stars and shit) but it's nbd and no one is harmed, so it's just some fun to past the time
Aye, I first saw it about seven or eight years ago. My mates missus bought him a title for a giggle. There are a few companies that do it, some of them actually help restore crumbling castles or plant trees with the money. It’s probably a lot more honest than taking money to promote some bullshit mobile game that you know is pish, to be fair.
I think that there should be a thing where someone invades Trayzin’s museum and just releases everything. Then the Tyranid main force would show up and the necrons would semi unite.
I mean, one should only have to take one look at the Octarius sector, and humanity's reaction to it, said reaction being _"oh shit oh fuck oh no i made a mistake dear god oh fuck we're all gonna die we can't handle this i fucked up please lord save us oh shit oh no",_ to get a vague idea of what would happen if the Necrons returned and punched the shit out of the fully engaged hive-swarm.
In case that wasn't clear enough yet, *_Humanity would fucking die._* :D
That "Someone" can bloody well try. They ain't touching my mint condition Krork
Majorkill the collab with Weshammer was legendary, it’d be dope to see a tabletop 1v1 between you two
The Necrons at their absolute peak were fucking gods and they did indeed *fucked* gods, they're so OP that it's insane, I love them so much they're my precious metal boys
The Old Ones were pretty insanely powerful too; before the Necrons and C'tan fucked them up. And they might have evolutionary descendents living the Black Reef in the Jericho Reach..
Considering the war in heaven was millions of years ago, as long as anything of the Old Ones survived, even some single cellular life from their home world (or worlds they formed to be more like it) could evolve into an intelligent species with enough links to be considered a "successor" species. So, their probably are things out there that are "related" to the Old Ones in one fashion or another.
@@justinweber4977 or a continuation species. Aka the same species in the future.
@@justinweber4977 They're called the syrshin or something like it. They're described as reptilian, and hiding from those that enslaved their ancestors millions of years ago..
Well, like you said, humanity wasn’t overly warlike at its peak, but with their rate of innovation and technological potential they could have easily become adept at combat and war very fast. So, I’d say it’s hard to judge just what their peak would have been
U realised that humanity actually has the most potential out of all factions they could have had smimilar tech to the necrons combined with being able to use the warp and let not forgot the most unique thing that humanity has the blanks
Necrons? I'm guessing Necrons or Eldar
I still wonder how tf did humanity defeated men of iron and AI?! I guess a lot of AI 's were good and helped humanity to defeat their brethren. Like those AI and their tech was able to destroy suns, time and space including all other op races. There's no way humanity could've destroyed all of that by themselves
They got help from Eldar if I remember correctly...
I think a bunch of races helped to take the men of iron down.
Probably the same way mass effect 3 ended.
Coalition of races, plus superweapon or array of superweapons
Computer viruses. Equally deadly robots without ai.
My guess is the men of iron had preset kill limit, so some brave man sent wave after wave of his own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. I heard he even got a medal for it.
11:14 "... the Eldar were able to easily run purge campaigns to reduce the Ork populations and force them to devolve into Krorks"
The Krork is listed as 12 *feet* tall in Lexicanum's Trazyn page, and there is no mention of a Khainite warrior on Lexicanum. With that said, Lexicanum also mentions Krork as being 12 metres, and both pages cite the Fabius Bile novel as their source.
love you major kill. Keep up the good work
Necrons fought C'tan, Old Ones, Peak Eldar, and Krorks. And won. No one else comes even close.
One of my favorites descriptions of how insane the Galaxy used to be was someone once saying that the Emperor would have been a front-line soldier during the War in Heaven.
I really want GW to start milking that and give us some .ore material for it.
The only thing that makes space marines overpowered is their plot armor aka “Emperor protects”
We need a theoretical video discussing the Tao and Tyranids at their peeks
I must say it gives me hope for mankind that a dude like Majorkill exists. A total gigachad making a living of explaining ultranerd stuff in a totally relatable way. The future is bright.
GW talked about how DAoT tech and Necron tech(and by extension probably Eldar tech) were so different from each other that they weren't even comparable, there were fields were DAoT tech was more advanced and there were fields were Necron tech was more advanced. It's safe to assume that DAoT humanity, Peak Eldars and Peak Necrons are more or less on the same level.
To anyone saying that DAoT humans
wasn't a war race. Remember that DAoT humanity was stupidly overpowered, they could destroy stars like they were cities and had weapons capable of altering time itself, they had sirens capable of blasting souls away, they had swarms of micro nanobots capable of consuming the surface of a planet in hours, they had robo snakes bigger than the rings of Saturn that could eat stars. The Speranza fucking deleted regions of space because of how much shit it was unleashing during a battle, regions of space literally stopped existing
Bet it’s gonna be the humans
I would like to retract this statement
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The scariest thing is that tau have yet to reach their peak, yet they already tore a wound trough reality and their oldest bombers had essentially unlimited amounts of trmendously powerful bombs thanks to the pulse bomb generators. Right now i feel like they are rushing tech just because they are faging greater and greater challenges, but if they stop and simply fortify their tereitory, they might have the time to create god knows what. They already have gauss weapon level tech with ion weapons, they just need to develop it further. I feel like at one point the tau will become something similar to the vorlon from babylon 5, and at that point things will get messy for other races facing them.
Cool video, regarding the Orks i would love to see a sentient Protist* race/ or species in Sci-Fi with cool Sci-Fi Technologies, interstellar Protist civilizations and advanced space-faring capabilities.
11:20 slight mix up here.
The Eldar ran purge campaigns against the krok so they devolve into orks. Not the other way around.
Orkz are mt Bois and i love the Eldar that would trash their current descendants but I'm gonna have to go with NECRONS they liderally smash cracked into shards Gods and they've akways had by far the best technology in the setting being capable of demolishing any and every enemy if they wanted to
Like hell. They lost the war in Heaven, and had nothing on the Aeldari Empire at its height.
@@jacobwalsh1888 I mean the Necrons technically accomplished there goal, they killed off/exiled the Old ones from the whole galaxy. Why waste time and resources on there foot soldiers, just take a rest and let them kill each other and weaken themselves. Which they pretty much did, Korks devolved into mindless space barbarians and the Eldar destroyed themselves after murderfucking a Chaos god into existence.
Humanity is in last place in their prime, yet I feel like they’re by far the deadliest if given time.
Do a video on why the hell the Men of Iron even rebelled, I liked the theory that they rather tried to protect humanity by trying to cull humans with the psychic genome in order to prevent them from becoming vulnerable to the warp's corruption.
Jesus you make videos quick, the poll was only up yesterday
That's my job
Another thing I would add to the power of the necrons is the ctan "Llandu'gor" this is the one who causet the flayer curse why well the necrons killed him the curse being his final middle finger. So the necrons killed something that was not considerd mortal.
I think humanity in their golden age would still be scarier than a lot of the other races. Wasn't there a book where they discover an ark from the dark age and as they beg it to help against elder the ship casually creates a black hole?
eldar make black holes as a hobby
Yes, but the Necrons got black holes weapons in knight sized mechanisms, blackholes and star destroyer weapons are actually pretty tame for those factions at their peaks
I've binged like 7 of your videos and still thought the 40k rabbit hole hadn't gotten a grip of me when I was clearly in negation. Might as well sub now, your vids are addictive and funny
On another note. Can you please do a video on if the Forerunners from Halo were in the 40k universe? Cause I feel like they'd fit in great
Is it possible to have video on space marine stats like physical feats one such it’s very inconsistent
Marcus vance has a video on the subject
@@myduckisonqauck7227 yeah but he uses a 2010 game book
And it’s very debated wether he is right but most seem to say he’s wrong
Especially when he says normal spartan are faster stronger and have Shields that can stop multiple bolt rounds
@@inquisitormaddox8581 GW has stated on multiple occasions everything in 40k is canon, and that the many writers all have their own versions of 40k. So a 2010 game book is as much a valid source as any. It's not a matter on if he's wrong, it's a matter of if the game book information is consistent on average with every other depiction of space marines.
@@myduckisonqauck7227 alright so That also means that space marines are pretty much gods in comparison to Spartans but also at the same time same as them yeah this is why people think GW is retarded with how they do stuff
But yeah the 2010 deathwatch gamebook stats is debated on wether it’s actually good Info
But most of the necrons most powerful were order to be destroyed at the end of the war in heaven by the silent king
Well, given what I’m reading and seeing, it feels like a lot of the factions may soon regain their former glory, making everything even more ridiculous, with even more figures to sell.
hell yeah dude hyped for the next phase of wh40k
I feel like the Necron had beat everyone when they were at there peak and ended up going to sleep to out live the surviving races
Let’s not forget the fact, Szarekh ordered the destruction of the most deadliest necron tech but considered the celestial orrery not worthy of it
The advert at the start is a bit of a scam, the titles thing isn’t actually real.
If he gets to 1M subs, he should get a promotion to "Colonelkill".
Which legion/chapter was most powerful at their peak?
Dark Angels
Mankind during the Dark Age of Technology probably could’ve ended up as strong as the Necrons if instead of the Age of Strife they encountered something like the old ones. They already had the ability to kinda mimic the Necrons
I agree in principle but the trump card there is that the Necrons had help from literal space gods in the C'tan. While DAOT Humanity could probably have been as strong as the Necrons they wouldn't be as powerful without a C'tan equivalent.
@@dmanagable To be fair its heavily implied that the only reason humanity got that OP tech was due to the Void Dragon's (a C'tan shard) influence
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS which is a good thing hummanity getting to this level without getting sweet nothings from the big dragon is would be very stupid.
If the Eldar can't use most of the psychic abilities because of Slaanesh, then how come the Ynnari and Harlequins are psychic powerhouses in the modern setting?
Another point to the Necrons being King, is that they were fighting All the other races Combined and Still (Arguably) WON the war in heaven... or at least were so comfortable in their current position that the silent king decided to turn on the Ctan in the first place... (because why would he do that if they were "Losing" the war?)
“The Emperor would look like a glowstick to their raging fire”- that is the most poetic thing I’ve heard you say.
A video about non chaos aligned warp entities would be nice ngl
The tau.
Jeez, no wonder Trazyn thinks the galaxy in this day and age is just something to have fun with by collecting random stuff.
Totally would say the Aeldari Aeldari Empire, the fact they ruled the galaxy for millions of years and were only brought low by their own hedonism and arrogance is a hell of a thing.
My own fan theory:
Humans are Necrontyr who hid when Necrons were converted to robots. Like the Eldar exodites.
The tech during golden age was necron tier. Men of Iron turned on humans when they discovered Necrons and concluded humans were a step backward.
Humans became psychic because old ones attempted to turn Necrontyr against Necron but didn't finish the upgrade
Big E is a rogue C'tan. It's how he enslaved the Void Dragon.
Humans have the same fear of mortality as Necrontyr. And same obsession for power and immortality
The War in Heaven and the conversion of the Necrontyr into the Necrons was about 60 million years ago. That predates humanity by quite a bit.
@@kaltaron1284 fun theory though.
Didn't think of the timing tbh. I just thought humans weren't limited to Earth. That during our first expansions we were shocked to find other hominids that the old ones had created.
Time f#ckery is a thing in 40k, skipping a few millenia would be nothing
Necrons
Without a shadow of doubt
They were able to destroy the old ones(the creators of eldars and original oks)
They were and still are immortal
Their bodies are made of living metal and can regenerate almost any damage
Even if destroyed they are resplawned in the closet tomb world
Their technology give them mastery of dimensional warping time energy and matter
No other race come near to the technology of the Aeonic orb(a trapped sun use as glorified artillery) or the celestial orray (a machine that cause stars to go supernovas with a clilc of a button)
They were also able to destroy a star god and shatter the remaining ones
Beings of pure power of the universe
Their shards even today are powerful enough to destroy entire armies
They faced their intact full forms
Necrons are not supreme master of the galaxy only because they are few they are fractioned and they have to deal with their domains being occupied by other races
There is no contest
And I say that as a guard player
Eldar before the fall and dark age of technology humans are the closest thing to what necrons are still able to do in terms of technology
Glorified tin cans. The Aeldari defeated them the first time, and Necron power never reached the peak of Aeldari power. In the end, the only enemy capable of defeating the Aeldari was themselves.
@@jacobwalsh1888 necrons at their max expansion ruled the galaxy and completely destroyed the old ones (you know the creators of the eldar)
the eldars even today collectevly shit their pants every time a necron tomb world awakens and most of their effort aside chaos is keeping watch over tomb world inactive
sorry pal but the eladar cannot even compare to the necrons. necrons tecnology works and they know why
eldar were gisted their tecnology ny the old ones and to this day never bothered improving it
even their glorious webway is a old ones relic they didn't build it
the necrons on the other side were and still are the most advanced tecnologic race and where able to even create tecnology able to breach and interac with the webay (the dolmen gate)
the necrons recongnized that the galaxy was wounded and decide to go into sleep mode to give the galaxy time to recover
it was a rational planned strategy
not all went according to plan but after 60 milions years they are still here and are a rising power the more tomb world awekens
the eldar in all their "mastery of the warp" and future reading ability failed to understand that they were creating a literal chaos god
thier downfall was not an ordained one
it was a complete destruction of their empire with only fragments surviving
after 10.000 years they are still a dying race and every craftworld lost push more near the brink
i am a guard player but i have no problem in admitting that of all the warhammer 40k faction the necrons at their heights were on another level in confront with every other civilizaition
even today their tecnology is unsurpassed tau and mechanicum play with toys and even dark age of tecnology humanity wasn't on their same level of mastery over time spacial dimension, energy and matter
@@jacobwalsh1888 also the eldar never deafeated durign the war in heavens the necron
the necrons and ctan curbstomped any oppositions they made the old ones exinct and they literally steamrolled every young race created as a last ditch effort by the old ones including the eldar and the original orks
the necrons were stopped only because they willingly decided to go into hiberation becasue of the enslaver arrival and because their war literally left the galaxy in ruins
Ah of course, Warhammer, the franchise that wants to be op compared to everyone so hard that they're in fact op compared to itself.
Love every video mate ;D
The Necrons and C'tan fighting the Old Ones is the closest the universe got to destruction, creating the Warp and birthing Chaos. Also it was only once the Eldar scavenged Old alone tech they stood any chance, along with the Krorks bring made to counter the Necrons. And now with a thousandth of their power, they still stand the best chance of dealing Chaos and swatting away the Tyranids.
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@@rexlumontad5644 what did tts magus to tts Santo whatever name again the custodians
I bet my asshole it was either Necrons or humans.
the tyranids truly are the scariest thing in 40k no matter how strong or terrifying their hive fleets are the fact they are only small tendrils of the greater whole is a unimaginable threat id say they are at their peak the galaxy just hasn't met their actual force yet only the scouts.
Another person to have been scammed by established titles smh
I think they paid him
It's not legit?
Kinda short selling the Korks here isn’t he? I mean even the war of beast orks had space faring tech op compared to the IOM so it stands to reason the Krorks had at least that or better. The Aeldari conquered after they hid in the webway from the Enslaver plague. Which decimated the galaxies sentient species. The Krorks never left. Thus their numbers and thus Waagh! power was severely diminished. The Aeldari essentially came in mopped up what was left after the hard work was done and then claimed credit.
Necrons obvs. The Old Ones needed Aeldari, Krork, and their own mega powerful selves to beat them.
I was right.
Given how quickly humanity evolved and how advanced they were before the age of strive, if the men of iron remained loyal humanity would probably reach higher peaks. Plus humanity is probably the only race that wasn't 'gifted' tech by the old ones or the C'tan.
Necrontyr even before their "gift" were ridiculously advanced. Celestial orrery, the one thing that everyone jump on when they speak about necron OP tech was actually made WAY before they even met C'tans, that was made with just necrontyr tech.
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It is in the lore that the Eldar did indeed go to war at some point with humans during the dark age and beat the men of iron.
There's an argument to be made about the tyranids and how the silent is tyring his damndest to just hold them back.
Sure the krorks were strong and all but the only fight that matters in 40k is the one between voidships. Krorks and primarchs can be as ludicrously shredded and fast as they want but any amount of footsoldiers can't beat a ship that can turn your planet into a black hole from the adjacent solar system.
I was kinda expecting you to put the Krork last, mainly because you get the feeling that both the Old Ones and the Aeldari _wanted_ them to be gimped one-trick ponies (with a really good trick).
Some of the strongest individual physical units, with a heavy reliance/dependence on the Aeldari & Old Ones for support.
Not sure if they had a stronger version of the reality-warping that Orks have, and if they could use it more intentionally.
Necrons + C'tan > Aeldari (with Krork support) + Old Ones according to canon.
Necrons also managed to gimp and pokeball their gods as well, meaning Necrons > C'tan.
Hard to imagine if the Aeldari could do the same to the Old Ones, even with Krork support.
Humanity + Men of Iron, Stone & Gold are a weird case tbh.
It seems weird to put them behind the Krorks, but I got no idea how they'd rank against the Aeldari & Necrons with their Gods behind them.
Then again… the humies managed to get that far _without_ support from godlike patrons.
Aeldari had both their “gods” and the Old Ones choosing them.
The Necrons chose the C'tan (or maybe it was the other way around as well to some extent), and got a major boost to their tech from that.
Humies don't seem to have anything similar, unless Big E (basically the living embodiment of the collective will of their best psykers) was heavily involved even before he dropped the cloak & dagger stuff.
That's still more a case of humies helping humies though.
That, and their rate of advancement seems faster (all the way up to the Dark Age) despite being late to the party.
They do seem to be the special snowflakes of the setting when you consider the lack of external divine patrons for most of their history (which is kinda expected because, y'know, human writers and all that).
EDIT: I guess the Tau are kinda like early humanity, being relatively optimistic and advancing fast despite their massive weaknesses, largely existing thanks to other factions mostly ignoring them as a major threat at the beginning, etc.
I suppose even the more “alien” factions have elements of humanity to them.
Necrons, Chaos and even Tyranids in a weird way.
In fact, there are only a few xenos that seem to be made to feel truly alien, like the Umbra.
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You specify "during their peak", well given they all peaked at different times it would be Old Ones, C'tan/Necrons, Chaos, Eldar, Orks, Humans in that order according to canon, Tyranids are unknown age/size so can't ascertain and the Tau are just some blue weirdoes in a corner until the Eldar plan for them comes to fruition. You should have said "Which race in 40k was the most powerful ever." and get a tossup between C'tan and the Old ones (if they even are 1 race).