I Asked 40 Melee Players Who They Hate Playing Against

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  • Опубліковано 27 лис 2023
  • Every few years, we've gotta take everyone's temperature on which characters can kick rocks.
    I asked over 40 people, almost virtually NO ONE SAID FOX?! Can't get over that. Crazy. Maybe melee is in a good place :D
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  • @gamecow2
    @gamecow2 7 місяців тому +266

    Actually putting the stage up there when HMW said fd got me good. Good vid

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +24

      had to keep the bit going o7

  • @hnazgul
    @hnazgul 7 місяців тому +62

    Of course Wizzy's answer reflects his innate purity

  • @bloodeyes1690
    @bloodeyes1690 7 місяців тому +150

    we have come so far as a community

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +28

      I did, in fact, do this three and six years ago, respectively. Results are on this channel as "Mad Melee"

    • @OfficialTigerino
      @OfficialTigerino 7 місяців тому +13

      aMSa singly handed moving Yoshi into higher tiers, again

    • @beardalaxy
      @beardalaxy 7 місяців тому

      ice climbers, before wobbling was banned

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      i already made that video @@beardalaxy

    • @il100374
      @il100374 6 місяців тому

      Icies would've been wayyyyy higher too lmao

  • @kyeperson8041
    @kyeperson8041 7 місяців тому +33

    Wholesome Wizzy

  • @bman420_
    @bman420_ 7 місяців тому +40

    great editing, the flow from comment to comment was really good, not to mention the gameplay to go with what they are saying 👍

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +4

      thank you for noticing, really tried to create some fluidity

  • @chemicalfusion1320
    @chemicalfusion1320 7 місяців тому +31

    The FD Pick instead of characters is so based it's true

  • @roundupssbm
    @roundupssbm 7 місяців тому +28

    surprised sheik and ics aren't higher, really fun vid :)

    • @McWickyyyy
      @McWickyyyy 7 місяців тому +1

      I was thinking the same haha

    • @LightKnight_Age_Of
      @LightKnight_Age_Of 7 місяців тому +6

      Banning wobbling moved them down several spots.

  • @sirtymoo
    @sirtymoo 7 місяців тому +4

    Fun video, love seeing content like this that highlights more of the community

  • @Howzieky
    @Howzieky 6 місяців тому +1

    Great editing! This was super easy and fun to watch

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  6 місяців тому

      thank you for noticing!

  • @leonblum816
    @leonblum816 7 місяців тому +2

    There is my man reporting on my favourite eSport again.
    Thanks for the good work!

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +2

      o7 my brother 💖

  • @Duffy_SSBM
    @Duffy_SSBM 7 місяців тому +6

    Luigi way too underhated here

    • @dyedye2
      @dyedye2 7 місяців тому

      🥲

  • @Azel954
    @Azel954 6 місяців тому +1

    good vid captures the modern melee scene well

  • @kikewickens6324
    @kikewickens6324 7 місяців тому +75

    Wizzrobe being based asf unsurprisingly. Long live melee ❤

  • @liampullman1198
    @liampullman1198 7 місяців тому +4

    0:20 Those pretzels are delicious

  • @dissect123
    @dissect123 6 місяців тому +3

    I like to believe your initial question was "who do you hate most in melee?" and everyone just answers "Leffen".
    What we see here is just the second take.

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  6 місяців тому +7

      I feel like a lot of the people I spoke to have known or interacted with Leffen personally to some degree and would, in fact, not say that at all. go outside

  • @noahkelly8907
    @noahkelly8907 7 місяців тому +2

    The k up character that is able to make me rage in melee is Luigi. (Mainly online). Really fun when they turn on their lag switch, do one wavedahs across the whole stage, and then throw out a frame 1 Aireal.

  • @242bleek
    @242bleek 7 місяців тому +11

    Really thought Sheik would be higher on this list or #1. Maybe top players don't see her as big of a threat.

    • @illford6921
      @illford6921 7 місяців тому

      She's kind of just a well rounded character tbh

    • @matty3501
      @matty3501 7 місяців тому +2

      It's because like half the top 100 play spacies and they destroy sheik :)

    • @242bleek
      @242bleek 6 місяців тому

      @@matty3501 True, but unless you're a near perfect spacie player low level Sheiks will shit all over you.

  • @ASTR0NAUT_G0D
    @ASTR0NAUT_G0D 7 місяців тому +5

    2:59 actually cracked me up lol

  • @125conman
    @125conman 7 місяців тому +20

    Even though only one person called out Luigi, as i Luigi main i still feel attacked by his painful words.

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +7

      it's def harsh, but you have to remember: Luigi's Italian

  • @mjdevlog
    @mjdevlog 7 місяців тому +3

    aMSa's middle finger makes my day

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      he really is a legend

  • @unclejaws1999
    @unclejaws1999 6 місяців тому +1

    Sweet video! I really enjoyed it

  • @RedGamer321
    @RedGamer321 7 місяців тому +1

    It's actually crazy to see some of my friends in this video

  • @triple.c.
    @triple.c. 7 місяців тому +5

    great movie, phil

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +2

      omg its triple c! letsgoooo

  • @eryxviper
    @eryxviper 7 місяців тому +3

    1:04 I have never thought about it that way but fuck me if that isnt spot on.

  • @Aoi_Tori_
    @Aoi_Tori_ 7 місяців тому +6

    Great video

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for watching :,)

  • @treehann
    @treehann 7 місяців тому +3

    I hate Luigi because it’s humiliating to lose to him and he’s just a stupid guy

  • @chad0ch0
    @chad0ch0 7 місяців тому +9

    Waff spittin tho 💯

  • @BeansGreens_
    @BeansGreens_ 7 місяців тому

    Coming melee alive I love it!

  • @afinetap
    @afinetap 7 місяців тому +1

    was that bbatts at 2:00 funny af lol

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      the one and only!

  • @jiyucy
    @jiyucy 7 місяців тому +5

    genuinely surprised Luigi didn't even end up on the board

  • @DazlMusic
    @DazlMusic 6 місяців тому +3

    Amsa 2v1ing that guy's friends and probably him too while smiling is the most Amsa thing ever

  • @Brennanrr
    @Brennanrr 7 місяців тому +3

    I would love to hear what bobby big ballz has to say about his least favorite character

  • @SillyGnome
    @SillyGnome 6 місяців тому +1

    1:04 as a Luigi main that’s 100% true but heeeey come on

  • @wicho556
    @wicho556 7 місяців тому +9

    Lestsgoooo peach 🎉

  • @davidhansbury70
    @davidhansbury70 7 місяців тому

    Great content (:

  • @Nawakooo0
    @Nawakooo0 7 місяців тому

    0:40 Where does that footage come from?

  • @urallnoobs8943
    @urallnoobs8943 7 місяців тому

    4:56 soonsay cracks me up, and that clip only makes it better

    • @rapidretrovenue563
      @rapidretrovenue563 5 місяців тому

      That mf owes me a set he got me dq'd one time when I was up against him 😠😠😠

  • @Rael0505
    @Rael0505 7 місяців тому +1

    That guy who hates no one is pure of heart

  • @vwtdi1579
    @vwtdi1579 7 місяців тому

    I can feel the rage through their thoughts.
    We need a sanctioned boxing ring to settle the scores.

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      this video is that

  • @aaronsutterf
    @aaronsutterf 7 місяців тому +1

    amazing video fr

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      i dont mess around o7

  • @yorkie4295
    @yorkie4295 7 місяців тому +1

    welcome back!

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +1

      feels gr8 m8, thank you

  • @jordanmeyer-bass4557
    @jordanmeyer-bass4557 7 місяців тому +7

    Sheik dodging bullets out here

  • @yorkie4295
    @yorkie4295 6 місяців тому +1

    “I don’t like his vibes”

  • @rationalbeast
    @rationalbeast 6 місяців тому +1

    Not one person said Fox? Insane.

  • @mackdaddy0629
    @mackdaddy0629 6 місяців тому +1

    Yoooooo thats my homie Jade at 1:04 lets gooooooo

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  6 місяців тому

      she's a legend fr o7

  • @ChamAramis
    @ChamAramis 7 місяців тому +1

    Not a single Fox? I hate it so much. Maybe I just suck.

  • @FerociTii
    @FerociTii 7 місяців тому

    Love it

  • @prizm9515
    @prizm9515 7 місяців тому

    Wizzrobe had the best answer. Lol

  • @macrodriguez8834
    @macrodriguez8834 6 місяців тому +1

    Dood! Love this kinda content! God Bless

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  6 місяців тому +1

      wooooo thanks for watching!

    • @macrodriguez8834
      @macrodriguez8834 6 місяців тому

      Really nice production n everything! and how you caught every ones reactions was top notch! I realize how hard this all is so good shit on pulling this all off! @@nilpholan

  • @99Fishing_
    @99Fishing_ 7 місяців тому +1

    Gotta love Wizzy

  • @MrGetownedLP
    @MrGetownedLP 7 місяців тому +1

    Based Wizzrobe take

  • @danielfrydman1136
    @danielfrydman1136 7 місяців тому

    how did more people not say luigi that is actually the vain of my existence

  • @pablopa_SSBM
    @pablopa_SSBM 7 місяців тому

    good vid!

  • @TitusMelee
    @TitusMelee 7 місяців тому +1

    banger

  • @volvomoneygang1178
    @volvomoneygang1178 7 місяців тому +1

    bro was spitting in 1:54

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal 7 місяців тому +7

    Funny video, thanks for making this!

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +2

      hell yeah thank you my goat 🙌

  • @illford6921
    @illford6921 7 місяців тому +1

    Only character i never care too much about watching is Fox ig. Idk getting hit by fox isn't very fun and i like my hands to feel good

  • @joemangina90
    @joemangina90 7 місяців тому +2

    I honestly thought Marth would get more hate

  • @caffiend453
    @caffiend453 7 місяців тому +2

    Wizzy my goat

  • @MetaKnight68
    @MetaKnight68 7 місяців тому +7

    As a Peach main I agree with the Peach votes. We're degenerates and her toolkit is so fun and intuitive to me, but a little part of my conscience dies when somebody accidentally crouch-cancels the 50th down-smash I've thrown out that match.
    (Of course good Peach play is so much more than that move, but at low-to-mid-level way too many players get hit by it way more often than they should)

    • @Evan_242
      @Evan_242 7 місяців тому

      Yeah, that's why I love to be a marth main because you can space that and if you're tight, you will never be hit by this move and that's awesome. Love this mu

    • @RiggedandReady
      @RiggedandReady 7 місяців тому +2

      As fox I'll run into it all the time but I'm never mad about it. Peach is a blast to play against. I enjoy the combo routes on her.

    • @kwonza-gamingandanime5727
      @kwonza-gamingandanime5727 6 місяців тому +1

      @@RiggedandReady You're the real one for saying that. I love playing against good Fox players as Peach. I think it's so fun-both sides can mess each other up if you play well.

  • @aplsed
    @aplsed 7 місяців тому +8

    I am SHOCKED that neither Falco _or_ Marth won the hate-off.

    • @Impact009
      @Impact009 6 місяців тому +1

      The guy who said Peach and Falco were tied for him had his vote counted for Peach, so it's not like Falco lost the hate-off.

  • @TheAlmightyBassist
    @TheAlmightyBassist 6 місяців тому

    Hoborg still hating falco is hilarious

  • @TheUltraBall8553
    @TheUltraBall8553 6 місяців тому

    As a new Mario main starting one day ago and already destroying level 9 cpu's, I hate fighting Mewtwo.
    Also nobody hates Mario! Yippee!

  • @drinkmug
    @drinkmug 6 місяців тому +1

    puff hate at an all time low we need to change this.

  • @usaeagle8244
    @usaeagle8244 5 місяців тому

    As a player still learning how to play competitively, out of all the matches I've played. Puff is the most boring to play against, and Marth is the most frustrating. He just has no lag, and unmatched spacing. I can't approach him

  • @egebamyasi2929
    @egebamyasi2929 7 місяців тому +4

    Sheik, blergh

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +3

      I want you to know this is a safe space, and you are heard and understood

  • @cjkmelee
    @cjkmelee 7 місяців тому +19

    I really REALLY want to say my most hated character is fox
    I hate fox SO much
    But I can't honestly say that my personal melee hell involves playing fox for eternity
    And in that spirit, I gotta go with Ness

  • @deejay4139
    @deejay4139 7 місяців тому +5

    Lmfao at ranking #7

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +1

      gotta max out on representation

  • @thegamingguy1
    @thegamingguy1 6 місяців тому

    Definitely peach. Only character in the game that will legitimately beat you by doing nothing. They literally never even have to come near you the entire game and they'll still win.

  • @izmizzle
    @izmizzle 5 місяців тому

    Yo is that wizzrobe? What a G being the first to speak fax

  • @TrueSilenceIsaLie
    @TrueSilenceIsaLie 7 місяців тому +1

    Flash with the most based answer

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      single handedly redeeming the state of Ohio of all wrongdoing

  • @pirijuamps
    @pirijuamps 5 місяців тому

    I fucking love wizzrobe

  • @ChamplooMusashi
    @ChamplooMusashi 7 місяців тому +3

    please get bobby on the mic

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      which one

    • @ChamplooMusashi
      @ChamplooMusashi 7 місяців тому

      the chicken man@@nilpholan

    • @beardalaxy
      @beardalaxy 7 місяців тому

      bobby's balls were too big for his own good

  • @1v1ed
    @1v1ed 7 місяців тому +16

    U ask mid level and marth wins unanimously lmaooo

    • @Jon-of6pd
      @Jon-of6pd 7 місяців тому +6

      You ask any Marth player and it's a mid tier lol. I respect it tho fuck ganon

    • @DP3mo24hofosho
      @DP3mo24hofosho 7 місяців тому +2

      What is mid level

    • @FlamingZelda3
      @FlamingZelda3 7 місяців тому +1

      Thank you. This vid really had me scratching my head with how non-existant the marth hate was (I'm a marth main btw, he's awful.)

    • @dddmemaybe
      @dddmemaybe 6 місяців тому

      @@DP3mo24hofosho @DP3mo24hofosho Smack dab "level" between casual players and top players. Prolly like standard local tournament (typically 8-100 entrants) players who can get a game/match win here and there but don't win events too much.

  • @epicwashcloth5677
    @epicwashcloth5677 6 місяців тому

    As a link main, If I could I would pick ONLINE sheiks. They chain throw dair w no remorse. I'm not great at the game but getting Dthrowed until I die from a fair on the edge of the stage doesn't feel good. All other mu and irl sheiks are fun

  • @wicklash9065
    @wicklash9065 7 місяців тому

    I agree with wizzrobe.

  • @frogchip6484
    @frogchip6484 6 місяців тому

    Absolutely amazed by the lack of fox, even as a fox main that character is bullshit

  • @mrlucius57
    @mrlucius57 7 місяців тому +1

    Wizzy

  • @spicy_taco2267
    @spicy_taco2267 7 місяців тому +11

    Kinda thought I was alone on the falco laser hate. I main falco but I never laser like most falcos do. I’ll throw one out sometimes for a mixup but I know how lasers make me feel in a mirror and I don’t wish that upon my worst enemy. I’d rather lose than win because of lasers

    • @Jon-of6pd
      @Jon-of6pd 7 місяців тому +3

      Falco dittos are so annoying if your playing a laser camping Falco. If neutral b was banned from the ditto it would be a top 5 match up easily

    • @Ponderething
      @Ponderething 7 місяців тому

      Its tough because its such a good tool, but you feel bad playing it. At least spamming it, Im still the noob that does two approaching lazers and then dairs. If im in tournament (or losing in ranked) then i feel less bad.

  • @Penguno45
    @Penguno45 7 місяців тому +3

    Lmao this is a great vid, I'd say icies prob

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому

      thanks for checkin it out!

  • @brandonnleyva100
    @brandonnleyva100 7 місяців тому

    Peach spams down smash makes the player base look like brainlets

  • @AllStarKingD
    @AllStarKingD 7 місяців тому

    Lol this was funny

  • @burntfish123
    @burntfish123 5 місяців тому

    Falco because falco players pick the coolest most combey character and just camp instead

  • @LilKiwi2240
    @LilKiwi2240 7 місяців тому +4

    As falco its fox. Honestly when you're plahing Falco you generally get to be a bit more spacy but still rushdoen aggressive and mean bevause he has wonderful combo tools, but against fox you pretty much have to play spacy because fox is simply faster than you. As Dr. Mario its easily Marth. His up special is one of the hardest out of the top teirs to Cape, his spacing can keep doc far enough away so that doc cant exactly get in good combos, and docs linear recovery pattern makes for easy spacing for D-tilts and F-smashes

  • @beardalaxy
    @beardalaxy 7 місяців тому +1

    game and watch because he's only used by sociopaths who are trying to style on noobs

  • @MikeyCyan
    @MikeyCyan 7 місяців тому

    0 foxs? Doubts.

  • @Evan_242
    @Evan_242 7 місяців тому

    I don't think stating marth is unfair because he has a sword is a good argument because roy 😂 but yeah I can see why he could be hated. Playing him for ten years and he's broken and I love it. Hard to find the rhytme with him sometime tho but once you find it oh man

    • @matty3501
      @matty3501 7 місяців тому

      As a marth hater myself my main gripe isnt the sword or the range (although that is a pain with any low mobility character) but the fact that he just has good spacing built into some of his animations. He ducks way down while dashing away and makes it rly difficult to hit him unless u way overshoot, and when he uptilts he twists his body away and causes short moves to whiff at close range

    • @matty3501
      @matty3501 7 місяців тому

      It legit feels like any marth with a decent dashdance game is so slippery and impossible to hit unless they shield

  • @adamj6853
    @adamj6853 7 місяців тому

    I have come to the conclusion on this video that I hate every melee not for their character but for their character bias

  • @Ponderething
    @Ponderething 7 місяців тому

    As a falco player, its gotta be Luigi. At least playing against him. Just un comboable cuz floaty and nair, and i hate his dair. Otherwise I support all characters, even Luigi. I just hate fighting him.

  • @NVUSAttitude
    @NVUSAttitude 6 місяців тому

    the lack of people saying ice climbers for wobbling which is the most BRAINLESS SHIT is insane, difficulty or not, wobbling should be held to a high scrutiny for the lack of brains it takes to play that shitass character(s?)
    i guess wobbling is banned now but still, IC is my go-to hatred for that mantra, even if wobbling is banned

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  6 місяців тому

      already made a video like that before wobbling was banned, it's on my channel and it's called "Mad Melee 2"

  • @riffz6065
    @riffz6065 7 місяців тому

    It's so crazy that Peach is #1. Half those mfers never played her and clearly don't know how hard she is to play and be good.

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +2

      how does that, in any way, refute their experience playing against her?

    • @riffz6065
      @riffz6065 7 місяців тому

      @@nilpholan Because they would then understand that getting bodied by her isn't as cheap/easy as they seem to think.

    • @thegamingguy1
      @thegamingguy1 6 місяців тому

      🤓​@@riffz6065

  • @FastFeudal
    @FastFeudal 7 місяців тому

    0:12 i knew i liked bbatts

  • @MetiCu
    @MetiCu 7 місяців тому +8

    HMW spit in this video. Many other takes in this video are heavily biased hot garbage perpetuated by people who don't actually understand how the characters work

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +4

      how many people in this video do you think you can beat in a bo3 set?

    • @MetiCu
      @MetiCu 7 місяців тому +5

      Already have beaten bbatts and tamus in a bo3, the rest I've never played. But even then an iron man is a more fitting test of your overall understanding of every character in the game and the only people in this vid who have a chance of beating me in that, are Moky and Zain.

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +6

      @@MetiCu the only thing funnier than thinking you can beat Amsa is dictating sweeping, specific terms on which you will categorically lose to Amsa. Please do your best to come at this video from a place of lighthearted jabbing humor or take your weird unchecked ego elsewhere

    • @MetiCu
      @MetiCu 7 місяців тому +4

      @@nilpholan 99.9% of melee players wouldn't beat amsa in a bo3 so I fail to see why that matters or is relevant. I wasn't even referring to Amsa's take specifically because I agree with his, peach's downsmash is cringe. I just think takes like milkman's that falco fox is "70-30" is a meme. Like you play one of the most OP characters in the game that is just pure cope man. Idk what to tell you.

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  7 місяців тому +7

      @@MetiCu you're taking this whole thing way too seriously

  • @TimeEnthusiast
    @TimeEnthusiast 7 місяців тому

    Was that squid?

  • @il100374
    @il100374 6 місяців тому

    Sheik or Falcon fs.

  • @bby7630
    @bby7630 7 місяців тому

    Easy Luigi or ice climbers

  • @Sleeepy.
    @Sleeepy. 4 місяці тому

    Every character has something unique and cool about them
    But FUCK Luigi anyways

  • @Astar72439
    @Astar72439 6 місяців тому

    I can’t believe so many people said Ganon lmao

    • @nilpholan
      @nilpholan  6 місяців тому

      one of them mains him, and they're all right

  • @morphball2314
    @morphball2314 7 місяців тому +2

    Wizzy with the godtier answer as expected.

  • @aschneider8912
    @aschneider8912 7 місяців тому

    Legit thought thered be more Sheik hate, I feel like she's really good at intermediate-advanced ish levels of play

    • @Megatwilightwarrior
      @Megatwilightwarrior 7 місяців тому +4

      A lot of these were top 100 players so sheik is p honest there