@@noirlavender6409 have you tried to actually play the game instead of bitching? Most Puff players get rekt because Puff is actually an easy match to fox, falco and marth (the 3 most played characters on melee). Hbox is just good. He learned how to counter 20XX meta. He deserve his throne.
@@mrm64 which is dumb because it was just Hbox using his stalling tactics that win him every tournament . Armada shouldn't think any less of himself and we are all so proud of him
ThatGuyWithGlasses armada lost evo (biggest FGC tourney of the time) to hbox, can’t remember the year. I think that was one of the last major tourneys he played before retiring.
@ThatGuyWithGlasses it was his opportunity to win either his 2nd or 3rd evo I believe. I remember him having soooo many times where he was one good hit away from winning the tournament, but hbox ended up clutching it out. I can't imagine what kind of emotion he went through. Being so close to that victory and yet falling short multiple times.
You guys definitely have the stories mixed up. It was EVO grand finals 2016. Hbox won after resetting the bracket in two game 5 last stock situations. Armada super choked game 5 of the first set and game 4 of the second set, either one of games won would've made him win EVO. Armada was going for a two-peat EVO win, while Hbox got 3rd, 2nd, and 2nd in the three EVOs before. When Hbox won the set, he popped off and started crying on the floor. Armada had to walk over to Hbox to get a fist bump, and after, Hbox kept crying and popping off while Armada just went back to his chair with that look of depression in the clip until it was time for the award ceremony.
@@plvto1 you could argue that Leffen is just playing up the whole villain of smash persona he had which I can see. But Wobbles punching the wall is definitely unreasonable though.
@@plvto1 depends why theyre angry. if you consistently get mad over every loss, even if youre respectful about it, its unhealthy. you may not be hurting other people but you can be hurting yourself. i still do think some anger or frustration at oneself every once in a while is warranted. at the end of the day people just need to remember though that its a game
@@izzywooperstan That's why I got respect for him; he has the cheap exploit at his disposal, but he doesn't abuse it. Pure skill. Nintendude and Army should take notes. Edit: He also doesn't pull out pictures of salt shakers when he abuses said exploit.
I saw this comment with the new UA-cam update, and I thought that someone hacked my account because it looked similar to the “add a comment” icon. That spooked me lol
s0n4r well then 2019 must have been a rough year since HBox only won one set against Leffen which was SNS but I'm sure HBox could maybe beat Leffen this year since he's been playing pretty good recently and Leffen is the God of choking this year
Id be surprised if that dude or the smash community gets invited back by the host again. Ruin your own image but dont bring the community's down with you.
I understand feeling crestfallen and sometimes even hopeless when you lose at this competitive level, but if you act childish, lash out physically or just throw the match early, you deserve to be laughed at by the guys in the box and everyone else. This isn't just in Melee either, this applies across all competitions. Being a bad loser (and even a bad winner) deserves no respect.
Ok So I know now. This is Marth's sword dance's fourth attack (holding down). Surprisingly I've never seen it being used before. Certainly not used that much by Zain. This is the only time I've noticed this move in professional melee.
Marths side special, he held down to do a triple poke over the standard slash. Cool to see it used in tournament play, never seen that before (discounting people using the first swing for aerial delays)
@@Hardrian_Hardrada_Cicero I'm not sure if it's actually happened, but knowing how some people can be I'd be more surprised if it hasn't or if it has. I wouldn't expect it at a Smash tournament, or at least not any non-local tournaments, but some competitive scene has probably seen a fistfight.
Actually, I've got one worse than a fist fight. I think during a local Madden tournament someone lost and decided that grabbing a gun he had in his vehicle and trying to threaten/shoot the guy who won would be a good idea. The full details are hazy but I know it happened a few years ago.
Yeah kinda. U mean cus he's toxic? I mean, I can "kinda" understand him, but if he gets four stocked, he should probably learn the Match up, Instead of being disrespectful.
What was the deal with that Wobbles clip where he punched the wall at Summit? Was losing one stock in a crew battle* really something to get that upset about? Especially when you're tied and Plup is on deck? * It was technically a tiebreaker for some events they had at Summit, but I'm still not sure why it's something to get so angry about.
He's known to have some anger issues with the game, part of why he switched to just being a commentator. He's really skilled, but doesn't have the mental. Still glad he's in the scene though. I mean he's got the most iconic/controversial move of his character named after him.
It sucks that some people dont have as much sportsmanship as others, but you can’t hold that against them cus for pros, this game means the world to them and to lose and so many people watching, it’s actually more common for someone to lash out. I’m not defending toxicity, I just understand it
Tbh I love all these players. Even Leffen. It’s competition, these guys are at the peak of a very demanding sports skill and competition level. Things get heated, it happens. Doesn’t make anyone a bad person. Shit talk is normal in highly competitive sports too. Don’t know why we have to judge them as terrible people just because they express themselves different under that kind of pressure. Hbox had to push through A LOT to be the top dog he’s become, I can believe him being as emotional as he comes across. Same with Armada.
The armada hbox evo sets both years shows the difference in their characters. Hbox loses he gets excited for armada. Armada loses he pouts in his chair until they kick him off the stage. But yet the community calls hbox an asshole. I mean puff is bullshit and boring but hbox is a good guy.
Exaaaaactly! I said the same damn thing. I get it is a lot harder for Armada to make it to tourneys because he lives in Europe, I totally get it. And I understand losing Evo.. but damn man, Hbox been through a lot of shit, even before Melee. Yet look how he handles losing Evo 2013-2015. I won't judge it all because Hbox has obviously been pouty before(losing Apex 2013 to Armada as an example), as I'm sure we all would at some point. Both Hbox and Armada worked hard. But people need to stop shitting on Hbox like this.
There are plenty of examples of Armada losing grands and being graceful about it/happy for his opponent: he smiled and seemed excited for M2K at summit, he smiled & hugged Plup when he beat him for the first time, was excited for Leffen after losing to him at Evo 2018... and he's hugged and expressed excitement for Mango about a million times. I don't think it's fair to say that he has a poor character, or that he was pouting and being immature. I think that he was deeply saddened by his performance and extremely disappointed with himself, as he held himself to such crazy high standards when it came to melee... it's not a reflection of how he feels about Hbox or any personal resentment. In fact, unlike many top players, Armada's always been kind to Hungrybox and doesn't throw shade at him.
@@katiieeardley I was using that as an example. I like armada. I don't think he has bad sportsmanship or anything. It was more just using the example in this video.
Imagine expecting a fistbump after beating your chest like a stupid fucking ape at the same guy. Hbox is literally a child, that's all I'm getting from a majority of these compilations on YT (Not that I think Leffen's a saint I've been told he's basically Melee's heel)
It's their job bro, they fly to these events and have to place well in order to break even in terms of food and lodging. Now imagine you lose in a bs way or people shittalk when you're tired and hungry and greasy from a weekend of grinding, I'd get tilted too
Leffen losing to Hbox to bitching about him on Twitter is the truest combo he consistently gets.
Bitch-boy Leffen needs some spanking to be put in place
Holy shit, you didnt have to murder the man, lmao
Ever played vs puff on meele tho?
Nox' Gil yeah it’s his fucking matchup to win, he is such a fucking bitch complaining that he lost a -3 matchup
@@noirlavender6409 have you tried to actually play the game instead of bitching? Most Puff players get rekt because Puff is actually an easy match to fox, falco and marth (the 3 most played characters on melee). Hbox is just good. He learned how to counter 20XX meta. He deserve his throne.
Armada is still in the chair
To this day
The set that retired Armada..
Plz come back Adam!!
@@BobbyReborn I mean he won the following year's Evo lol. But I guess he never recovered from losing Evo 2016...
@@mrm64 which is dumb because it was just Hbox using his stalling tactics that win him every tournament . Armada shouldn't think any less of himself and we are all so proud of him
Bobby Reborn You can’t play aggro puff against Fox unless you are asking for a beating.
the armada clip hurts every time.
ThatGuyWithGlasses armada lost evo (biggest FGC tourney of the time) to hbox, can’t remember the year. I think that was one of the last major tourneys he played before retiring.
@ThatGuyWithGlasses it was his opportunity to win either his 2nd or 3rd evo I believe. I remember him having soooo many times where he was one good hit away from winning the tournament, but hbox ended up clutching it out. I can't imagine what kind of emotion he went through. Being so close to that victory and yet falling short multiple times.
@ThatGuyWithGlasses The end of an era.
You guys definitely have the stories mixed up. It was EVO grand finals 2016. Hbox won after resetting the bracket in two game 5 last stock situations. Armada super choked game 5 of the first set and game 4 of the second set, either one of games won would've made him win EVO. Armada was going for a two-peat EVO win, while Hbox got 3rd, 2nd, and 2nd in the three EVOs before. When Hbox won the set, he popped off and started crying on the floor. Armada had to walk over to Hbox to get a fist bump, and after, Hbox kept crying and popping off while Armada just went back to his chair with that look of depression in the clip until it was time for the award ceremony.
To be fair to Hbox, it was his first EVO victory ever so I kinda understand that pop off, but damn…seeing Armada like that is soul-crushing.
You’ve got two types of anger in melee: 1. Understandable and respectable anger
2. Baby anger
imo any sort of anger is reasonable, because it's a human emotion. however then you take it out on other people that's when it's never okay.
@@plvto1 you could argue that Leffen is just playing up the whole villain of smash persona he had which I can see. But Wobbles punching the wall is definitely unreasonable though.
1. Mew2King
2. Leffen
@@genericalias6307 bruh no like mew2king is a fucking crybaby
@@plvto1 depends why theyre angry. if you consistently get mad over every loss, even if youre respectful about it, its unhealthy. you may not be hurting other people but you can be hurting yourself. i still do think some anger or frustration at oneself every once in a while is warranted. at the end of the day people just need to remember though that its a game
*GOD UGH, BARNACLES!*
That was hilarious!
BARNACLES
"wait HAX won?"
"he always has been"
"Barnacles!" shit had me too weak
Leffen = Gary Oak of smash
@ThatGuyWithGlasses Yeah, in the anime and in Sun/Moon (games), he seems to redeem and change for good, so Gary is more likeable than leffen
Leffen is a wannabe god..
Smell ya later
that image of hbox going "where my hug at" is on an unholy amount of hilariousness
You know what rhymes with leffen. Angry.
Bars 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Leffen Lied
Armada was not in anger. He was incredibly sad
I find it very ironic and funny that ICE CLIMBER PLAYERS get angry and rage lmfao
Yeah it's the funniest shit ever
Lol how is ice climbers even fair
Inb4 "jUsT DoN't GeT gRaBbEd lul"
Wobbles (despite the name lol) barely ever uses wobbling when he plays
@@izzywooperstan That's why I got respect for him; he has the cheap exploit at his disposal, but he doesn't abuse it. Pure skill. Nintendude and Army should take notes.
Edit: He also doesn't pull out pictures of salt shakers when he abuses said exploit.
Armada in the end was not angry Melee.
It was sad Melee.
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If this doesn't look like a broken man, I don't know what does
@@asvenson5267 it doesnt. just looks like someone whos upset. pretty normal
Yes...
Sadness eventually turns into anger
Leffen getting mad fills me with joy
deadass!
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I really can't understand how someone can make a tweet *sound* this butthurt, it's like he did it on purpose
The way hbox' shoulder pat moves armadas entire body... My boy was just drained
thank you for this account
I saw this comment with the new UA-cam update, and I thought that someone hacked my account because it looked similar to the “add a comment” icon. That spooked me lol
Westballz dropping that Club Nintendo controller...damn
The “Barnacles!” clip has got to be my new favorite lmaooo
I'm still convinced that 2016 Hbox Evo win changed melee
Legend says Armada is still in that chair
must've been awkward af sitting in the crowd waiting for armada to move from his chair lmao
EVO 2016 was such a great tournament
“Wait hacx won?”
mew2king looks like a linux user
mitt romney damn lol
I'd just like to interject for a moment.
Actually true
Oy, I resemble this comment!
armada has that nordic energy tho
the german popoff
That first clip reminds me of why I despise Leffen as a human being
Finn Shelton everybody hates in hbox, but honestly I love him cuz he can kick Leffen’s ass time and time again
That last clip reminds me why I hate watching finales of anything.
s0n4r well then 2019 must have been a rough year since HBox only won one set against Leffen which was SNS but I'm sure HBox could maybe beat Leffen this year since he's been playing pretty good recently and Leffen is the God of choking this year
leffen has cooled a bit, still a bitch sometimes.
hbox is rarely an asshole to other players now.
He's just a guy still he's not Hitler or anything you don't know him either
Armada :(
Yeah that's not anger, just intense disappointment. Sucks to see
LOL HMW, pls...
"Gah-*urggh... **_BARNACLES!!_* "
Poor armada he’s been in evo grand finals and lost twice
Hungrybox too. At least Armada won twice.
3:58 the guy who invented wobbling huh
Melee is a weird game
4:57 "Stall with the Forward B"
4:05, I just hope dudes hand was okay. I've punched walls, that hurts, but getting all the way through has gotta be on another level.
It hurts less that way, if it was a brick wall, and it bounces off, that's what hurts the most
Id be surprised if that dude or the smash community gets invited back by the host again. Ruin your own image but dont bring the community's down with you.
@@benjaminmolnar3881 This gotta be a joke.
I understand feeling crestfallen and sometimes even hopeless when you lose at this competitive level, but if you act childish, lash out physically or just throw the match early, you deserve to be laughed at by the guys in the box and everyone else. This isn't just in Melee either, this applies across all competitions. Being a bad loser (and even a bad winner) deserves no respect.
That sounded it so wrong..
@@darlisaward3103 what do you mean?
LOOLLL!!!!!9
Agreed!
@@Sturgioni It's kind of funny or entertaining either way, though.
wait, hax won?
5:12 is so smooth lmao
That armada one hits too hard.
5:10 Mango spiking his controller with such a flourish.
Ouu.. ouu.. sum flexin’
Armada sulking in the chair was kinda funny lol
West balls got hit with the swordsman spike
HUNGRY BOX KING
Why did wobbles even throw the controller at smash summit? It was literally a crew battle at one stock and no nana.
Armada at the end dam
He was beating his ass than got comebackked on
If you ever do a new upload of this, you gotta add IBDW's rant at summit
2:00 What's this by M2K? Never seen it before.
Ok So I know now. This is Marth's sword dance's fourth attack (holding down). Surprisingly I've never seen it being used before. Certainly not used that much by Zain. This is the only time I've noticed this move in professional melee.
Marths side special, he held down to do a triple poke over the standard slash. Cool to see it used in tournament play, never seen that before (discounting people using the first swing for aerial delays)
leffen is such a baby
Hmw shows us you can be old school melee and a good person at the same time
At some point of all of these types of videos of not only melee but other games, has their ever been a reported fist fight in these situations?
More than likely, and it probably resulted in someone's potential career in a competitive game being stopped short.
@@Rexcalibar ouch I would love to see a source that if possible lol
@@Hardrian_Hardrada_Cicero I'm not sure if it's actually happened, but knowing how some people can be I'd be more surprised if it hasn't or if it has. I wouldn't expect it at a Smash tournament, or at least not any non-local tournaments, but some competitive scene has probably seen a fistfight.
Actually, I've got one worse than a fist fight. I think during a local Madden tournament someone lost and decided that grabbing a gun he had in his vehicle and trying to threaten/shoot the guy who won would be a good idea. The full details are hazy but I know it happened a few years ago.
@@Rexcalibar
I faintly remember hearing about that. Totally crazy.
im just getting into smash but to me it kinda seems like leffen is if xqc did smash instead of overwatch
Yeah kinda. U mean cus he's toxic? I mean, I can "kinda" understand him, but if he gets four stocked, he should probably learn the Match up, Instead of being disrespectful.
@@papalattederkek9683 i meant more of how they're both controversial figures . and also blond twinks
"...Wait, Hax won?"
"Wait, Hax won?"
Leffen is such a bitch roflmao
Here's how Jeb can still win
Yeah
This game's pro scene is just a bunch of babies 😂
actually all of this is pretty rare in melee at high level. Ultimate on the the other hand...
And I think Jeff won
*wait hax won?*
Wait Hax won?
lmao "...wait hax won?"
Sadmada
What was the deal with that Wobbles clip where he punched the wall at Summit? Was losing one stock in a crew battle* really something to get that upset about? Especially when you're tied and Plup is on deck?
* It was technically a tiebreaker for some events they had at Summit, but I'm still not sure why it's something to get so angry about.
He's known to have some anger issues with the game, part of why he switched to just being a commentator. He's really skilled, but doesn't have the mental.
Still glad he's in the scene though. I mean he's got the most iconic/controversial move of his character named after him.
If you get so worked up that you put a hole in the wall you need to quit. Its not worth it.
@Car Ram-Rod 1. Anxiety/stress 2. Possible relationships getting ruined 3. The cost to fix the hole.
4. Being that much of a lil bitch lmao
@@ComposingGloves well I mean he more or less did quit to become a commentator
you are talking about wobbles right?
Wait hax won? •-•
Fuuuuuuuck Leffen omg
Love Hungrybox and hate Leffen
….wait hax won?
...wait hax won?
who was the kyle punching holes in the drywall lmao
rabe wobbles😂
He wobbled the wall out of rage
who is that guy about to commit suicide at the end?
Armada, one of the greatest to ever play the game.
The goat for some people
His track record shows he is the GOAT and he was the most serious about achieving that
Aww did wittle baby Weffen lose? Poor baby!
Imagine having so little self control you punch a hole in someone else’s venue because you lost at a 20 year old game
*lost 1 stock in a 20 year old game
What happened with this video?
In case you haven’t found out yet, he had to move all his old vids to this second account.
ultimateAI ya I realized it. thanks thoe
Being upset and frustrated is natural, but y'all are grown adults. Take a breath and settle down.
4:25
It sucks that some people dont have as much sportsmanship as others, but you can’t hold that against them cus for pros, this game means the world to them and to lose and so many people watching, it’s actually more common for someone to lash out. I’m not defending toxicity, I just understand it
Tbh I love all these players. Even Leffen. It’s competition, these guys are at the peak of a very demanding sports skill and competition level. Things get heated, it happens. Doesn’t make anyone a bad person. Shit talk is normal in highly competitive sports too.
Don’t know why we have to judge them as terrible people just because they express themselves different under that kind of pressure. Hbox had to push through A LOT to be the top dog he’s become, I can believe him being as emotional as he comes across. Same with Armada.
man fuck leffen
I love Hbox.
I hate Leffen.
This is why.
Yeah but melee competitive interactions are so much funnier with leffen even if we hate him we cant deny that
I fucking hate hbox and love leffen. This is why
I hate both
God I just can’t stand Leffen
The armada hbox evo sets both years shows the difference in their characters. Hbox loses he gets excited for armada. Armada loses he pouts in his chair until they kick him off the stage. But yet the community calls hbox an asshole. I mean puff is bullshit and boring but hbox is a good guy.
x9x9x9x9x9 I agree
Exaaaaactly! I said the same damn thing. I get it is a lot harder for Armada to make it to tourneys because he lives in Europe, I totally get it. And I understand losing Evo.. but damn man, Hbox been through a lot of shit, even before Melee. Yet look how he handles losing Evo 2013-2015.
I won't judge it all because Hbox has obviously been pouty before(losing Apex 2013 to Armada as an example), as I'm sure we all would at some point. Both Hbox and Armada worked hard. But people need to stop shitting on Hbox like this.
There are plenty of examples of Armada losing grands and being graceful about it/happy for his opponent: he smiled and seemed excited for M2K at summit, he smiled & hugged Plup when he beat him for the first time, was excited for Leffen after losing to him at Evo 2018... and he's hugged and expressed excitement for Mango about a million times.
I don't think it's fair to say that he has a poor character, or that he was pouting and being immature. I think that he was deeply saddened by his performance and extremely disappointed with himself, as he held himself to such crazy high standards when it came to melee... it's not a reflection of how he feels about Hbox or any personal resentment. In fact, unlike many top players, Armada's always been kind to Hungrybox and doesn't throw shade at him.
@@katiieeardley I was using that as an example. I like armada. I don't think he has bad sportsmanship or anything. It was more just using the example in this video.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 Ah sorry I suppose I misinterpreted you :)
Hungrybox seems like a manchild from that first clip.
Imagine expecting a fistbump after beating your chest like a stupid fucking ape at the same guy. Hbox is literally a child, that's all I'm getting from a majority of these compilations on YT (Not that I think Leffen's a saint I've been told he's basically Melee's heel)
Holy shit do you need to be a man baby to play melee ?
What the hell is a nare
neutral aerial attack
n-air for short
Hbox is always so cringe.
Playing a children's party game, but when these teens and adults loses, they actually do acting like a bunch of angry children.
It's their job bro, they fly to these events and have to place well in order to break even in terms of food and lodging. Now imagine you lose in a bs way or people shittalk when you're tired and hungry and greasy from a weekend of grinding, I'd get tilted too
Tbh I've never really liked Hbox, I always thought he was a really poor sport about winning.
Surprisingly, he's typically the opposite when he loses, congratulating his opponents after they beat him
@@collinVG That or he sits there and looks like he wants to cry
@@unironiccloudshrug340 That's Armada on that last clip u thinkin of
@@Themonkeymartin Armada has had his moments. But Hbox has plenty of depressed moments.
Unironic Cloud Shrug nonono that's HBox when he gets sent to losers in Ultimate he's totally fine with losing in Melee
BARNACLES
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