I've been consuming seed oil and processed food with seed oil my entire life and I've felt like crap for most of it. It wasn't until I stopped consuming seed oil when I started to lose weight and felt great like I did when I was a child. You don't have to "listen to the experts" to find out if seed oils are bad or not. Just do your own experiment, consume seed oils for a month and then do a month without seed oils. I'm 100% certain you will notice a difference. I have no clue why someone would be pro seed oil nowadays without receiving some kind of financial incentives.
Yeah, of course it was because of the seed oils and not because of the crap which happens to have seed oils in it. I don't get how you people are able to breathe
@@HoneyBadgerBuddyit’s the industrial processing of food stuffs and seed oils. Those seed oils that are not cold pressed are ultra processed by heat, and chemicals as she describes. Don’t forget someone is making money out of Zoe, or they’d left it be available FOC……
Industrially extracted oils, like Mechanically Recovered Meat… are highly profitable, and recover every last bit of product, but as someone very familiar with industrial chemical extraction using pentane and hexane, the extraction process is SO efficient, that it will ALSO extract toxic compounds that would otherwise have been left behind, and under natural circumstances, humans with their little teeth and single stomach, would never be able to extract by chewing, nor would they ingest them in any toxic quantities, EXCEPT where industrial extraction was involved. The whole deodorisation and bleaching process is to hide these undesirable chemicals that our noses would detect is a symptom of the problem she is dismissing without a full molecular spectra of what has been extracted, reliant on what the truthful industrial producers tell her. Is she that naive? I don’t hate her, she raises good points on omega 3 and clotting etc, but I expected much more from a Zoe guest. This video is a disgrace to the scientific process, and just as much involved in misinformation as the youtubers mistaking correlation for causation. It should have had peer review before publication by the likes of Dr Robert Lustig, Dr Nadir Ali, Dr Aseem Malhotra, people who put good science above all else. Also talks about LDL “BAD” cholesterol, another myth put out by the multibillion dollar statin industry. Your brain is largely made of cholesterol, as are all your nerves, you need LDL for your cell membranes, you need it to fight infection…! Now ZOE could comment on LDL, the other good cholesterol! Here are some interesting videos from a cardiologist (there are others, a Texas cardiologist Dr Jamnadas on youtube also puts out his teaching hospital videos, and worth inviting) . ua-cam.com/video/Y_JcZSRSBHg/v-deo.html canola ua-cam.com/video/_xJtlQH8Q88/v-deo.html ldl the other good cholesterol ua-cam.com/video/iOwfhFWUwhE/v-deo.html I’d rather here from a cardiologist who has performed stents and determined that they will not prevent future adverse events, and if LDL is the cause of the fire and not the retardant foam… why do plaques only appear in arteries… the high pressure system, not in veins, but they do appear in veins grafted into arteries.
I ended up with so much digestive pain, discomfort, other horrible side effects from consuming so much saturated fats and abandoning seed oils. The brainwash is so strong with the right wing nut case seed oil obsession. I am finally recovering after I gave up most of the saturated fat (just a tiny bit ghee here and there) and went back to regular oils. Pain is slowly going away.
Her evidence for why there is no health risk to heating seed oils (39:10) is mad. "I actually did a randomised control trial many years ago that I’d actually forgotten about until I was thinking about this podcast yesterday and this is a study that I conducted at Kings with 19 healthy males”. How can you extrapolate from such a narrow study over a few days to say that there is no risk!
Exactly. No one is claiming that there is an instant toxic effect. If there were, there wouldn't be any debate. As an analogy, people who are 100 pounds heavier at age 60 than they were at 20 only needed to store a net 24 calories a day, which would be undetectable in a short study, which would show "no statistical significance in weight gain". PUFAs, once stored in fat cells, are reluctant to be released for fuel (and the mitochondria go on a slowdown when they are the main fuel), having a half-life of about 4 years. If a person manages to never get overweight with a high-PUFA diet, then perhaps they have avoided most of its problems, but anyone who is storing PUFA in large amounts is going to have an EXTRA hard time losing weight.
One of the most eye opening experiences is when you dig into the terrible state of most food products on the shelves of supermarkets. Shopping becomes interesting when you realise that about 80% of the stock in a typical outlet isn't good.
Hm. So. I've watched a video on seed oils being prepared and it was pretty gross. Then we had Tim telling us to avoid ultra processed food, including seed oils. Personally I got a whole lot better health when I ditched the seed oils and my LDL is very low with an excellent ratio with the HDL. The science seems a bit mixed when you google and we've been hearing 'experts' for years who end up apologising and getting it wrong (hello eggs, butter etc). On balance I think I'll continue avoiding seed oils thanks.
Absolutely agree. I'm 1000% better since I ditched seed oil. Not only is Tim Spector spot on in his books, but most Functional Medicine doctors say exactly the same. I'm grateful for the advice, and would advise anyone not to use any seed oil.
Every single reason you have given for using these oils has hardened my desire to never have them in my diet except in their natural form of nuts and seeds.
Yes. I am not sure whey we cannot just eat the real food nuts and seeds without heating them. I wonder if this person works for the industry and it is not being disclosed here. Why not use olive oil? I am not comfortable with these oils and they produce volatile compounds when heated. I would not feed this to my family iether. It sounds like she is comfortable eating them and feeding her family in this way. There is a lot of content here that I do not agree with on the ZOE channel. She does not address the issue of volatile compounds and it is possible on the limited measures the indsutry looks at the oils look fine. No one is going to create a study to look at things that would make their product look bad or inferior. The measures in the study are critical to look at and they may not be measuring the bigger picture most people are concerned about. Something might not kill you today but it could seed cancer over the long haul and this is not part of the study even if it is a randomized control trial.
@@SL-1985 In almost every podcast Zoe promotes eating real food & olive oil. This video is aimed at the misinformation that these wellness-evangelical (Often LCHF) grifters spread. Personally I'm sticking to olive oil and real food. Regardless this is very interesting & informative. Maybe I'll cook (high heat) with certain seed oils to save $ after hearing this.
I would suggest that you go to a seed oil manufacturing plant and see and smell their production. I worked close to a manufacturing plant and stopped using them after seeing how it was produced. seed oils have a 4 year half life in the body, now we have upto 30%in the early 1900 it was 1%.
@@louisejackson1968 It depends on the pressure applied by the press. A high powered industrial cold press to max profits will get the toxic compounds out together with your oil. That’s why she was roughly right when saying there was little difference. Eating and crushing with your teeth, or extracting in a little family business with a hand crank would be ok. Think about why French wine growers once produced the best wines by crushing grapes with feet, to avoid excess pressure bringing out the undesirable compounds. The same principle applies, and varies on the seed/plant.
@@budlaumer you didn't specify in your comment, you can't cherry pick now. And, please, tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
I tried eating food prepared with seed oils for a month and was shocked that I had gained a significant amount of weight! Since then, I started cooking my own food by avoiding seed oils and felt much better and stop gaining weight.
So you started cooking your own food, which means you could regulate how much fat was in your food and you stopped gaining weight. The law of thermodinamics is truly incredible. Has nothing to do with the type of oil you use, though.
Seed oils do not exist in nature. Big Ag produces them, markets them, pays for studies promoting them, and provides grants to researchers that agree they are not harmful, but helpful. I'm sold.
Dr Brad Stannfield, also a VERY reliable source of info.,as he only goes by randomised controlled trials and meta analyses ( always evidence based approach) also made a video a day ago in favour of seed oils and disputing the majority negative view of seed oils..so in agreement eith Sarah. If not 'evidence based', it's just a personal opinion and no good to anyone.
There is also plenty of evidence that omega 6 oils are inflamatory and tend to out balance our requirement for omega 3. In general though, PUFAs are unstable and should be avoided for cooking. Sadly vegetable oils are used to deep fry.
@@chazwymani will bite. Give the pmids of the RCT studies in humans (not mice, not monkeys, not rabbits etc) showing seed oils /Linoleic Acid/Omega6 increased inflammation. Right here right now, show it. And thenni will show you the meta analyses which prove that linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory markers in humans.
If we turn purely to biochemistry: - sunflower, rapeseed, vegetable oils are polyunsaturated fats and when they are exposed to oxygen, they easily damage -> not healthy - polyunsaturated fats are prone to becoming free radicals (when these fats are heated, electrons can be lost -> become free radicals). Then this further reacts with oxygen in the air over the cooking pan -> becomes even more damaging. The damaged fats formed will be incorporated into the cell membrane. - so the conclusion is that polyunsaturated fats should be kept in dark glass bottles in fridge - never used for cooking
Indeed, omega 3 and omega 6 FA double bonds are equally reactive when exposed to air/oxygen and this reaction is promoted/accelerated by light and heat. Epoxidation also happens at the single double bond of oleic acid. However, these reactions ae not as fast as often claimed and we had to subject the oils to very drastic conditions, way beyond what would be encountered during cooking something in a frying pan with a seed oil, before traces of double bond changes could be detected. The frying conditions encountered in fast food outlets are somewhat different and can be more drastic since the water vapour released from the food foams up the oil, which creates a much larger surface area exposed to a mixture of air and steam and this is not a one-off exposure since the same oil is used repeatedly.
What about the recent study that supposedly finds possible link between excess seed oil consumption and colon cancer. "Integration of lipidomics with targeted, single cell, and spatial transcriptomics defines an unresolved pro-inflammatory state in colon cancer" Not sure UA-cam allows me to post a link.
I have a question. I get correlation is not causation but isn't the same true for positive outcomes. For example when observing that seed oil consumption is associated to good health outcomes is that Randomized controlled studies in general or just association. Because there can be a "healthy subject" bias here as well. For example someone listening to ZOE and ingesting seed oils may become healthier but the average ZOE viewer is probably a healthy conscious person anyway (eating well, exercise etc.) Furthermore, until we find seed oils are the fountain of youth isn't it more prudent (out of abundance of caution) to avoid them and use say olive oil while experts still disagree? I mean seed oil is not an essential nutrient right?
I thought this podcast was giving opinions based on results of RCTs and epidemiological studies. It also seemed clear that sticking to extra virgin olive oil is an ideal option for those who can afford it. Two caveats to that, I think. One is you may need some other oil with a higher smoke point for some types of cooking. The other is where will you get your Omega-3s, which ARE an essential nutrient. I buy cod liver oil from a pharmacy and one tablespoon per week gives me enough of the long-chain Omega-3s which otherwise the body must make, inefficiently, from ALA. That is MUCH cheaper than the fish oil capsules.
I don't think meat is the big reason people's health is in decline. What always annoying is when a plant based group or organisation go out of their way to demonise eating meat. People have been eating meat for thousands even hundreds of thousands of years and not much of an issue. Actually we could say with confidence that meat has been a big positive in our physical and brain development over human history. Meat beats plants hands down on every nutritional value. Now of course we also have eaten plants and I think they are good to eat as part of a whole food diet. The high levels of overweight and obesity really started increasing around the mid to the end of the 70s early 80s and there is an association between the guidelines governments brought in around at this time on what to eat. I mean it's very heavily biased on carbohydrates up to 66% of your daily energy intake from cards. The interesting thing about carbohydrates is our bodies don't actually need them as our body can produce its own glucose. Now I am not suggesting that everyone stop eating carbohydrates but do we need to be eating such high amount on a daily basis. Carbohydrates unlike meat can be used to produce many different foods a lot of highly processed foods and maybe that's the real reason why we are td to eat such high amount of this non essential nutrient it's ALL About MONEY 💰 profit. Not a lot of massive profits in your regular piece of meat.
Didn't mention that there are 2 omega 3. 3 and 3s from oily fish and the omega 3 from veg, ala conversion rate is very poor. The oils degrade over time, oxidation at room temperature was not discussed.
What we got was 1. Seed oils are great because they have so much Omega6! 2. As long as you have enough Omega3, it doesn't matter how much Omega6 you have ...
Today watched, a video on the workings of omega 3 s and complicated would be an under statement. But as always to much or too little, maybe not so helpful .
The British Nutrition Foundation is a lobby group funded by the food industry (wiki). As Sarah provides courses and is funded by the BNF, there are suggestions of a confict of interest as a minimum, as well as inaccuracies pointed out elsewhere in the podcast content.
My gut feeling, ie life experience was whispering since the beginning of this video: COI, COI, COI (conflict of interest). I went into video description and found none declared. Then I went to comments, and found rhus one. Thanks for that. Such a propaganda video one does not do for free, that's what life tought me, and I was right.
I haven't found the connection between Sarah Berry and the The British Nutrition Foundation, The courses she teachers or any funding she receives from them. Would you mind helping point me in the right direction for finding all that? Thanks!
I think the first thing you should say before proceeding further is to make a disclaimer that Professor Sarah Berry has never been sponsored by seed-oil companies in her research and her academic works.
I don’t leave comments either, but listening to this episode I agree with everyone else, my thought was, is her science and research backed by the seed oil companies.
It's quite common for the big companies to fund universities to get the good press they require to hoodwink us all. I shall stick to my extra virgin olive oil and pure butter.
It's possible that seed oils only effect people with IBS and food intolerance. It's disappointing that Zoe is claiming to debunk the evidence we have repeatedly tested. My experiments have shown even small amouts of seed oils effect my IBS. It was years before I noticed that all the non dairy milks were all loaded with seed oil as a preservative and stopping them was the last step in fixing my IBS. My current diet using olive oil keeps my IBS under control.
I gave up eating seed oils almost 7 years ago and have never looked back. Eating seed oils killed my metabolic health and I felt like I was slowly dying just before I gave them up. I felt better within a month of stopping eating food with them in and lost my belly fat and gained back my vitality. Do not underestimate how bad consuming these oils are. I have helped a number of people remove these from their diet and they have all thanked me for it
This interview barely skimmed on people with high cholesterol, but what I find unforgivable is completely ignoring people with fatty liver (which is the vast majority of the western world). Nevermind diabetics!!! So this episode just serves as a reminder that studies are only done on really healthy people, as any health issues/co-morbidities are considered disqualifying for the purposes of studies. Meanwhile I'm going to continue to suggest to everyone outside of their 20s years of age to stay well away from seed oils until these so-called studies include the people they're supposed to help. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the healthy people don't need to be concerned with seed oils themselves, but that's always a small percentage of the adult population unfortunately.
Shocking, that she added repeated heating makes no difference to health out comes, yet added that one Should try to use fresh oil....they are hiding something. Who Is being fooled????
It's not the oil. It's the oxidized oil. And if you think the oil hasn't oxidized a bit after spending months sitting around waiting to be sold, well...
@@sauercarey that argument doesn’t hold up. Oxidisation in the form of oxidised LDL isn’t the cause of health problems but rather Apob carrying LDL levels in the bloodstream. If anything seed oils with linoleic acid have shown health benefits if anything.
What about ratio of omega 3 to 6? What about effects of seed oil on metabolism and appetite? Id like to hear a conversation between Dr Berry and Dr Hyman
Dr. Sarah Berry argues that seed oils, especially when consumed in moderate amounts, may not pose significant health risks and could even benefit heart health. She points out that the evidence linking seed oils to chronic disease is often observational and suggests that controlled studies have not conclusively proven harm. Dr. Berry also notes that omega-6, found in these oils, does not seem to drive inflammation when part of a balanced diet and that reducing saturated fats by substituting with PUFAs might be cardioprotective. To critique her perspective: 1. **Oxidative Potential of Seed Oils**: While Dr. Berry supports seed oils, concerns remain about their stability under high heat, as heating PUFAs can produce harmful aldehydes. The effect of these aldehydes on cellular health and oxidative stress is significant in cases where seed oils are used for cooking, potentially increasing inflammation despite not raising it in controlled, cold-use studies. 2. **Omega-6 to Omega-3 Ratio**: Dr. Berry mentions that omega-6 alone may not be inflammatory; however, excessive omega-6 relative to omega-3 can promote chronic inflammation. Western diets are already high in omega-6, so her recommendation could unintentionally amplify this imbalance unless balanced with omega-3 sources. 3. **Health Outcomes Beyond Heart Disease**: Seed oils have been associated with neurodegenerative and inflammatory conditions due to their oxidation potential and long-term tissue accumulation. In conclusion, Dr. Berry’s approach may be more relevant to balanced, cold uses of seed oils. However, for heated cooking, ghee, olive oil, or other stable fats are likely safer to avoid oxidative stress and inflammation. Expanding on illnesses associated with **oxidative stress, chronic inflammation, and volatile aldehydes**, here’s how these factors contribute to various health issues: ### 1. **Cardiovascular Disease** - **Oxidative Stress and Inflammation**: Chronic oxidative stress and inflammation are major contributors to cardiovascular disease. Oxidative stress can damage blood vessel walls, leading to the buildup of plaque, a condition known as atherosclerosis. This plaque accumulation increases the risk of heart attacks and strokes. - **Volatile Aldehydes**: Research suggests that aldehydes formed in heated seed oils can lead to lipid peroxidation (damage to fats in cell membranes), increasing inflammation within blood vessels. This, in turn, exacerbates the progression of heart disease and can trigger abnormal cholesterol levels, particularly elevating the more harmful small, dense LDL particles that contribute to plaque formation. ### 2. **Neurodegenerative Diseases (e.g., Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s)** - **Oxidative Stress**: The brain is highly susceptible to oxidative damage because it consumes a significant amount of oxygen and contains many fatty acids in its structure. Accumulated oxidative
Interesting. It would be interesting to see you interview Dr Catherine Shanahan MD, author of Dark Calories: How Vegetable Oils Destroy Our Health and How We Can Get It Back. The declining health in the industrialized world cardinally tracks with seed oil consumption. Correlation is not causation but her arguments go well beyond that. There is so much new science that no individual or group can keep up with it so it would be informative to see her and Professor Berry discuss it.
@@jschreiber6461 No better way to expose hyperbole than debate. Another factor that Professor Berry didn't mention was that most Canola and other seed oils in the US are contaminated with glyphosate and pesticides that are banned in Europe.
@@nowayjose6700 Yup, or that using solvent extraction (pentane or hexane) not only extracts all the oil, but also all the fat soluble toxic compounds that can then accumulate in your fatty tissues, poisoning you over years. It’s one of the reasons why fat cells contribute to cancer.
I was just listening to her interview with Mindy pelz, came here to listen to this for 'balance'. This video is also at odds with eat fat get thin Dr mark Hyman
saturated fats r more stable, its unsaturated fats that oxidise easily in ur body......also we could never naturally eat that many seeds to get the amount of oil we r eating now from processed seed oils youd have to eat thousands of seeds or more
I researched today and Zoe’s new investors are all venture capital companies that also have investments in processed food companies. Some making processed meat free products and diary free cheese so should Zoe now declare that they have a conflict of interest ?
First video from Zoe that has a look and feel of being externally funded, even the leading questions and title of video. Consuming anything that requires bleaching, solvents, de-odorising and industrial processing to be edible just doesn't make sense 🛢 ... yet Sarah (5:42) calls the process relatively straight forward 🤷♂ I will spend a little bit extra and stick with Extra Virgin Cold Pressed Olive Oil, Avocado Oil, Grass Fed Tallow and Butter 🫒 Also Tim advocating Olive Oil, Kefir, Kimchi, Black Coffee for polyphenols, gut microbiome etc. in prior video while Sarah has margarine on toast is confusing and conflicting.
Before putting down the Sydney Heart Study results, keep in mind that their cholesterol levels went down as expcected on a polyunsaturated diet and they still got bad results on the poly diet. If there was a lot of trans fats in their diet that shouldn't have happened, So we don't know that they got significant amounts of trans fats. The evidence suggests they didn't, unless you can explain why their cholesterol levels got better despite the trans fats.
No. Phytosterols artificially reduce LDL. When we quit using seed oils, our LDL returns to a normal healthy level. That's not a raise in real terms. We need cholesterol for a healthy brain, making hormones and Vit D, making cells. Supposedly heart healthy spreads have now been shown to be worse than butter for the heart in the long term. Very disappointed with Zoe these days. Instead, Take a look at talks by Dr Paul Mason about LDL, he explains the science really well. DoctorsToTrust is a great resource - small bites of talks by many experts in their own fields of neuroscience, biochemistry, medicine..... eloquent speakers who are actually seeing results as their own patients reverse chronic metabolic bad health, all backed up with studies, charts, evidence.
i like Zoe, broadly, but i'm troubled by the way that, when it comes down to it, the pleasant and knowledgeable sarah berry (and the american doctor) always seems to come down on the side of the industrial food process (with qualifications) - my 'gut' instinct is that this is wrong and that is what i will act on. The basic idea that whole-foods are best, made sense to me from the 1970s - it was heavily attacked from the late 1970s - and tim spector doesn't seem to acknowledge that his current stress on whole-foods is much the same as the case made by the healthy food ecological and nutritional arguments of the 1960s and 1970s ('hippies' and people like rose elliott and many others) - though there have been, of course, some improvements in understanding.
I wonder who funds the research? I stopped using seed oils 3 years ago & now use extra virgin olive oil & butter from grass fed cows. The videos I’ve seen of how these seed oils are produced is gross. No thanks. And the continuing use of the term “bad cholesterol” does my head in.
@@13Pandam The 2019 Kings College research into IE fats was funded by among others, Coca-Cola,nabisco, PepsiCo, Sainsbury’s, M&S, DuPont, mondelez, Nabim, Nestle and Unilever.
@@jgreen9361 Aside from the fact that it's a fruit, it is 'cold-pressed' and unprocessed. Unfortunately, those who live in the US have a harder time getting unpolluted EVOO since it is often bogus.
I don’t need to bring you hate Sarah. It is really helpful to listen to your counter arguments and debunking and listening carefully to the number of caveats you provide which in fact make the argument NOT to consume seed oil even more compelling and this coupled with you being seemingly completely unaware of your own evidence. Or you are fully aware but have some conflict of interest going on here!
Totally agree. This is the *_most unconvincing video_* in this podcast I've seen so far based on the following: 1) They said that the refinery process of seed oils didn't make them unhealthy. a) They have repeatedly suggested us to avoid refined olive oil and choose extra virgin olive oil. But suddenly refinery process is okay for seed oils? How come? 2) Hexane, the substance used in the refinery process is a derivative of petroleum. Hexane is bad to be consumed. Could they be so sure that there is no Hexane at all left in the final product of refined seed oils? c) Heating oil until it smokes in cooking is okay? Why? There is certainly chemical processes happening because the changing form from liquid to gas and it is not reversible. Burnt foods (e.g burnt meat) are changing form and become carcinogen, but when it comes to oils it is suddenly okay? There must be a change of molecules composition from liquid to gas and it wasn't explained in the video, neither was the impact of the change. d) Cold press seed oils before refinery have low smoke points, but after refinery they have much higher smoke points. Thus, there must be some changes happened in the molecular level. The video doesn't explain the changes and their impact to our body. The video just said it was still healthy, without explaining the detail. 2) The test of consuming used seed oils and test the impact on the body 8 hours later is very unconvincing, because: a) The waiting period between the consumption of used seed oils and the test is too short. There are a lot of substances which are bad for our health of which impact could only be seen after years or decades of consumption. Teflon in cooking utensils is one example. If I used a teflon pan to cook an omellete and eat that omellete now, you won't see the bad impact of the teflon 8 hours later. Smoking cigarette is another example. If I smoke now, most likely I wouldn't get a lung cancer by tomorrow. b) They said that the test of consuming used seed oils didn't show negative impact, but still suggest us to avoid repeat use of cooking oils (of any kinds). It is very contradictive.
@@elizabethash3247 My speculation is they had got a request from a government's body or an industry organization to promote seed oils, to change poeple's consumption from olive oils to seed oils. The UK has been struggling with their economy due to Brexit. A Cambridge report released at the beginning of 2024 mentioned that there had been 2 millions jobs lost up to 2023 due to Brexit. Unlike olive oils, seed oils are produced locally in the UK. I could see the government or an industrial organization requested Zoe to promote seed oils while appealing to their patriotism as fellow Brits.
@@tiararoxeanne1318yes! So many agendas being pedalled by Zoe principals. Fed Amati saying if you’re not celiac don’t worry about wheat when so many people have major issues with wheat and not testing as celiac. Tim Spector saying all kinds of mad things and then changing his mind. But I expect the drivers which generate £££‘s will be the ones to watch out for. Very disturbing.
@@DomDeDom Gotta research the brand. Costco has a couple that have been tested to be clean, for example. But sticking to animal-fats are much safer: butter, bacon grease, lard, tallow. Much healthier and safer. 💖
Hexane is the common solvent used to extract oil from soybeans and other oilseeds. However, the reason why it is allowed is that it evaporates from the oil mash during processing.
@@devdroid9606 also anybody who's made hash oil would know that sometimes you gotta use some of the bad "chemicals" to get the good "chemicals" that you want haha. It's just like cleaning something with Isopropyl alcohol, you just need to make sure it all evaporates and you're good to go
I couldn't quite make up my mind about Zoe until now. This video made me look a bit deeper at Zoe. Dr Berry is their head of nutrition science research. Zoe seem to be still deeply enmeshed in the decades old 'saturated fat bad, cholesterol bad' falacy. I've unsubscribed
Oooo most contentious podcast yet. May I suggest getting on a “no seed oil advocate” and having a bit of a debate? Max Lugavere perhaps? It could bring back some trust…??
Please add to the explanation why the San Diego dolphin study has resolved that the dolphins were suffering from metabolic disorders due to too high a ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 in natural, unprocessed seafood.
Well, you will get a small percentage of LA with your SFA anyways, so that argument "you body need it" is just stupid. Seed oils are ultra processed and unnatural. All the historic data suggest that seed oils could be the reason for the increase in modern illnesses the last 50-100 years.
Lol 🤣 if you look at the comments to what Sarah is saying they don't believe what she is saying. We don't need to have seed oil's to be healthy and if we don't have them we won't be un healthy.
Thank you for failing to debunk any of the real arguments and confirming that seed oil is bs. The most convincing argument was cherrypicking of the studies, but this argument relies on the belief that the food industry has your best health in mind, which I can't believe in. (You can find studies to prove anything you want.)
Most supermarket brands of oils go through terrible 15 processes: chemical extraction, chemical treatment, chemical removal of odor, bleaching, extraction with very high heat…. You just mentioned them all, how is these oils (highly processed) still healthy?!? Can you think of any food that can remain healthy after so many chemical processes?!? 😂😂😂 what a joke
@@rossmurray6849 Sarah Berry advocates the out of date view that saturated fats are a cause of CVD. I have posted links to some very recent large meta analyses debunking these ideas but they are always deleted on Zoe.
Wanted to add, I can tell when seed oils are used vs non. I was given an olive and it tasted gross. Turns out it had seed oil in the jar. It makes my stomach churn in a sour way no matter what product. So no thank you
While I don't find seed oils toxic, I do find that they can go rancid over time which is why I will focus on only eating the seeds themselves along with other plant based foods while only consuming fruit oils or fatty fruits and their products like coconut butter and oil, unrefined West African palm fruit oil, and shea butter, cocoa butter, and avocado and olive oils while avoiding all animal products and most ultraprocessed foods. When the guest mentions palm oil, is the guest referring to the typical refined and bleached palm oil or naturally occurring unrefined palm oil? I heard omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids mentioned but what about omega 9 fatty acids? Thank you for this episode.
I would suggest that the rest of what you do is so good that it overcomes the negative effects of the very high saturated fat content of palm and coconut oils. I would literally choose any other plant oil over those two or products of any land animal.
@@rossmurray6849 The palm oil and coconut oil often used in products are usually refined and hydrogenated, which are definitely problematic. I am talking about coconut fat and palm fruit oils on their naturally occurring forms and the guest Sara(?) did not specifically mention what type of palm oil she researched or was examined in the study. Naturally occurring palm fruit oil has vitamin E and vitamin A as beta carotene and makes it easier for the body to absorb fat soluble vitamins and minerals like the other plant fats do.
Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, or what the motivation is? A few weeks ago you had Tim giving another wonderful talk about the wonders of olive oil and now you have Sarah on her own with no counter argument spruiking that seed oils are not that bad. They are the foundation of so many health issues and most corporations are quite happy to keep poisoning consumers for the sake of the bottom line.
learned an enormous amount here; thank you! Seed oils are cheap and amost always sit for months in plastic bottles, whereas the more expensive EVOO will usually be in glass. Any difference healthwise?
@@awolf913 Here's my comment for your benefit, I also forgot to add that you can actually run a diesel car engine on seed oils too. These seed oils aren't even food, prior to their introduction to the human diet they were machine lubricants and used in oil lamps before electricity was invented and widespread. enjoy my reply and I hope you learn something from it. Is this a comedy channel or a nutrition channel? This is so bad it's actually funny. 'We are eating more seed oils now than we ever have before' well that's correct, and we're sicker now than we've ever been before, see the problem? In the 1960's in the UK overall obesity was 1-2%, now it is 25-26%. We had much less seed oils then and much more animal fat then, in contrast to now. Allow me to debunk 1) Yes omega-6 polyunsaturated fat is essential but you can get them in pretty much any food including all animal food, the issue with the seed oils is the EXCESS amounts of PUFAS of which seed oils are very high in 30-75% depending on which type you use VS grass fed beef dripping or butter which contains 1.5% PUFAS. 2) Seed oils will oxidise your LDL and vastly increase your chance of heart disease and cancer 3) Seed oils were introduced in America in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Heart disease increased 60% in America between 1907 to 1936. Cancer increased 90% from 1907 to 1936. 4) Sugar consumption peaked in Japan in 1988 but cancer rates have continued to increase since, along with seed oil consumption 5) All of the vitamins found in seed oils can also be obtained in all animal fats, with the benefit of being more bioavailable than their seed oil counterparts. 6) Seed oils are highly refined, oxidised and deodorised. The reason they do not taste of anything is because they're deodorised, if they weren't the taste would be vile and unpalatable. 7) They are in almost all processed foods which Sarah quite rightly acknowledges and we know processed foods or UPFs are very bad for us as ZOE again quite rightly note, but apparently seed oils are the 'good, heart healthy' bit of the junk food, ok then. 8) Personal perspective, after cutting out all seed oils as far as possible and even quitting mayonnaise which is basically a jar of seed oils, my skin has improved so much, I live near the equator and my skin used to be so sensitive to sunburn, now it is much more resistant and takes much more to go red, this alone will greatly reduce my chance of developing skin cancer (and no I did not change the type of sunblock I use, this is with and without sunblock, so they're no other variables) The cognitive dissonance here is quite astonishing, you know it's bad when you can learn more from a comment like mine than you can from the actual hour long video itself. Keep enjoying your seed oils Sarah, i'll keep enjoying my beef dripping, butter and ghee, I know my food will be tasting better than yours on the strength of that too, which is another added benefit and bonus.
@@samburrell3288 you just said a load of waffle there no disrespect. Firstly it is vegetable oil that can be used in cars not seed oils in their entirety, also it doesn’t burn very efficiently anyway so it’s not really a fuel source. Also oxidised LDL is not the problem it is Apob containing LDL that is the leading cause of heart disease and circulatory problems. In fact many trials consistently find seeds oils which have linoleic acid actually lead to better health outcomes and lowering Apob. Also you say quitting mayonnaise could just be because of other ingredients, why would it be just the seed oils? We have to be careful not to use mechanistic speculation to back up our claims, randomised control trials are better to further determine the true issues.
@@samburrell3288 actually your claim of processed and unprocessed foods is inherently harmful, if you mean ultra processed then fair enough but that is also a grey area term that isn’t fully defined and in terms of processed that isn’t entirely true, kimchi is incredibly healthy, in fact healthier than just eating the vegetables in their raw form.
I have Dr. Chris Knobbe's book claiming that seed oils correlate with the rise in chronic diseases. It is totally interesting that the very ones who are the biggest adherents to the seed oils are bad mantra are also the very ones that constantly say correlation does not equal causation, but are perfectly willing to accept it in this case. Dr. Knobbe may be correct, but it is mainly based on the correlation. I will have to say, it is a tremendous correlation, and something is causing the rise in chronic diseases outside of the ones obviously preventable by lifestyle/nutritional choices.
It is not nonsense Lady. Seed oils are not good. I cook daily since 12. I am 61 and cooking from coconut oil,ghee, olive oil(salads) seaseme not roasted, avocado once in a while and that's what works for my family and I. Cold pressed is the way to go. I suggest that the one knowing you better than anyone else, any industry, any doctor, is yourself. Try and pay attention in what is good for you.
My post with the link to the BBC article has been removed for some reason? Seed oils produce aldehydes when heated which have been linked to increased risk of heart disease and cancer. Google this "Which oils are best to cook with? It's the BBC article from 28 July 2015 and comments by "Leicester School of Pharmacy at De Montfort University in Leicester, where Prof Martin Grootveld and his team ran a parallel experiment where they heated up these same oils and fats to frying temperatures..."
Scientists looked at the cholesterol in the heart of people who had died of a heart attack. They discovered the LDL cholesterol blocking the arteries didn’t seem the same as normal cholesterol. It had been damaged by Linoleic acid found in seed oils and peanuts. So when a patient is tested for LDL cholesterol it looks the level has decreased. But they’re not seeing the damaged cholesterol, which the liver has rejected and is flowing around their body.
Appalling under reporting of the cholesterol story, no mention of small dense ldl particles oxidated and damaging to the cardiovascular system, and all its associated downstream diseases. Simply don’t consume any industrialised interfered with foods. Oils are already oxidated before you buy it.Only consume cold pressed and reduce the volume of seed oil in the diet.
I suffer badly with Ankylosing spondylitis, a spinal arthritic condition. I've been advised to avoid seed oils due to inflammation impact, subsequently it's impacting my polyunsaturated fat intake. No one, so far, has been able to help with this conundrum. Any ideas?
Diet may help to relieve the pain but root cause of rubbish between joints needs to be targeted. Probably you need a good chiropractor or a good therapist who knows things like Rife, magnetic therapy, red light therapy to cure the root cause.
Since seed oil is in virtually everything we eat and they are healthy for the body, what in your opinion is responsible for the increasing diseases like metabolic disease , and cancers ? I mean seed oil is healthy as crap. What’s the issue then. Because we are getting large doses of this wonder oil , what’s going on in the world with disease ?
This podcast was clear that the seeds are better than the oils. Seeds contain protein, carbs, and fibre which do not get into the oils and they also have more of the very beneficial micronutrients called phytosterols.
After listening, I still think reduced oil consumption regardless of how it's used is in the best interest of everyone. Sure, season with it if it means you'll eat your greens. Or have the odd deep-fried what-ever as a treat now and then. But stick to whole-foods as much as possible daily for the best health outcomes.
It’s interesting how many people in the comments say they quit seed oils, lost weight and felt better. I think that says more than Sarahs 10 day study and it’s affect on bio markers.
Yes. Her study seemed rather too weak to be worthy of mention. Healthy young students as her “guinea pigs” probably (as is often the case!) Not exactly a typical population study.
There are any number of diets that people will go on and say they feel better afterwards, and a lot of that is just because the human body adapts to try and restore homeostasis. There are many strong proponents of the carnivore diet, other low carb diets, fad diets, etc. because of this, even if they have no or low quality evidence of long term benefit or even safety.
Would love a follow-up panel interview with Sarah, Dr. Casey Means of Good Energy, & Chris van Tulleken of Ultra Processed People (all whom have been guests on Zoe).
And Dr Ken Berry and Dr Anthony Chaffee and Dr Paul Mason and Dr Zoe Harcombe for starters about the importance of eating animal foods and saturated fats, definitely not seed oils, and especially Dr Malcolm Kendrick about how the higher the LDL cholesterol the longer the life. Sarah Berry sounds like someone from decades ago before we did research on these topics. ZOE is a total scam, blind to current investigations of science. And we can do without conclusions based on a few people under Sarah Berry. Really incredible.
What does she mean, when she says we eat more palm oil than anything else?! If you avoid processed foods, then you don't eat any! Butter, ghee, even lard is better than processed seed oils. Your brain needs fats, particularly medium chain triglycerides found in coconut oil. Feed your brain! Always go for cold pressed olive oil or avocado oil. Why would you consume an oil that has a solvent added to extract more oil? Sarah said her views might change in 5 years when more studies come out. I'd rather avoid the heavily processed oils now and stick to the natural method of extraction. Also, meat and saturated fat and cholesterol is not bad for you, it's healthier, ie the paleo keto diet.
I think when she says we we should take it to mean people collectively, as a whole, roughly. I don't think it means you or I, her family etc. Seems obvious, really
Really wonderful podcast. Thank you so much. Raises a couple questions for me. 1 is solid sunflower marg ok for use in baking ie does that form retain the beneficial effects of the liquid oil form? 2. How does adding seeds to our diet compare with using oil? Can our bodies access the beneficial effects in the same way, or does most of it pass through our gut and out the other end?
Not an expert here but ... I stopped using all margarines some decades ago when I inspected the nutrition label on a margarine described as made from olive oil. About 25% of the fats in that margarine were saturated compared to about 15% in unprocessed olive oil. My conclusion was that to change a liquid oil into a solid at room temperature requires the changing of some unsaturated fats into saturated ones. I do NOT want that. Re seeds vs oils. Without a doubt, seeds are more healthy than oils because they contain protein, carbohydrates, fibre, and more of the healthy other chemicals (phytosterols, polyphenols, and antioxidants which non-scientists can use interchangeably). The main point of this podcast is that seed oils are less beneficial than seeds but not, as many on the internet claim, unhealthy. Re pass straight through. If you look at the labels of whole peanuts and peanut butter (made with one ingredient) they would appear to be identical. They are not. The body will absorb less of everything from whole peanuts than from peanut butter. The peanuts will be feeding more of the bacteria in your gut which would make them slightly better for you. You may safely ignore this unless you're trying to restrict calories to lose weight. Then whole peanuts would be better.
Margarines are hydrogenated oil which means chemicals are added to make unsaturated fat stabilised as solid. Companies usually use olive oil, sunflower seed oil, cannoli oil, etc or other cheap seed oil to make margarines. They tell you it is healthy because the margarines are made with unsaturated fat but they never tell you after all the process & chemicals, margarines are actually kind of trans-fat. How can it be healthy?
@@rossmurray6849 You can try to crush peanuts and make you peanut butter. You will find it is not spreadable and does not smell like peanut butter from supermarket. The companies added lots of additives and oils like sunflower oil. Actually, you are not consuming peanuts from peanut butter but heaps of chemicals.
They touched on coconut oil ,but she semed to brush it aside as a no-go.including butter and red meat .And while she approves soya oil,would that include the dodgy and untested GM soya i oil -so prevalent in the US ? A Zoe discussion on GM would be interesting
Coconut oil makes me very ill, so does palm oil. Turns out both of them are known to affect inflammation in the body. As someone who suffers from an inflammatory illness, it made sense why I struggled to process it. I eat mainly olive oil, avocado n a bit of butter. I do sometimes cook with canola, but only in very small amounts. I do not react to these types of fats, just animal fats found in beef, pork and lamb, and Coconut n Palm oil.
The prevailing opinion of the majority of the medical profession which is not hunting for clicks on the internet is that the MOST important thing for whether fats are healthy is how much of the total fats are saturated. You want that to be low. Saturated fats increase risks of heart disease and unsaturated, both mono- and poly lower risks of heart disease. So ranking from worse to best by percentage saturated is: palm oil 90%, coconut oil 80%, butter (all dairy) 60%, cocoa butter 60%, pork fat 50%, lamb 45%, beef 40%, chicken 35%, and then every other plant is less than 20%. Then you should prefer to have as many traces of antioxidants (Vitamin E and phytosterols) as possible. All animal foods have none of those. Cold pressed and extra virgin plant oils will have most. This podcast suggests the losses of beneficial micronutrients while manufacturing more highly processed seed oils is less than most people would expect. But less of a good thing does not mean what is left is bad. Personally I do not fear GM soya beans but if I did I would be worried about tofu, tempeh, and other foods containing soya beans - but not oil extracted from those beans. The oil contains virtually no genetic material, DNA or RNA, so the GM may change the beans but not the oil extracted from beans.
@@rossmurray6849 Read up on Ancel Keys and HOW he vilified animal fat and dairy products - and WHY he did that. Which info did he refuse to look at and why.
Absolutely. Cholesterol is vital for life & especially brain health. I was put on statins 6 years ago as my cholesterol was high - it always has been. I couldn’t tolerate the side effects so came off them after a few months. Since then I’ve learned so much about cholesterol & how it actually isn’t great to be lowering it especially as you get older. I’m mid 60’s & would never touch them again in any circumstance. And when will they stop using the term “bad cholesterol” , it does my head in!
I feel that she is working from old info/ studies whilst minimising some of her own facts and ignoring new potential and interesting findings. I'm afraid that there seemed to be so many gaps that I didn't find her at all compelling. If someone uses critical thinking, this feels like gaslighting!
"We always want to maximise production don't we in the food industry" Of course & we like high crop yields with GM seeds & toxic glyophosate herbicide. Say no more. Money, money, money. Forget Nutritional value, health & safety
I think people need to chill out a bit. If you are trying to determine whether or not you should eat a product on a regular basis by the text on the packaging, you need to start eating real food again. She is simply trying to undemonize seed oil and subsequently the omega 6 fatty acids in which you need to survive. I too have greatly reduced my seed oil intake, but that is because I stopped eating high-margin, low-quality, dead food. I also fell into the trap of demonizing seed oil, but I don't find myself avoiding it anymore, because 80% of my diet is whole fruits, vegetables, unprocessed meats, nuts/seeds, beans/legumes and hard cheeses. Guess what? I have my own success story of losing a lot of weight and generally feel better including mental health. If I suddenly cannot obtain an apple or pepper without it being injected with seed oil, then yeah I am grabbing my pitchfork!
The thing is, it is nearly impossible NOT to get enough omega-6. Even the foods that are low in it have more than enough. They are only called "essential" because the body does not make polyunsaturated fats from other fats, so it is essential that they are in the diet, but it is not essential to get more than exists already in any whole food diet. "Essential" is a technical term; not a directive that it is "essential" to find concentrated sources of it!
The important thing is the ratio between omega 6 and omega 3. Ideally it should be 1:1. I don't know the stats for the UK but in the US it's like 25:1. Furthermore Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory. Canola/rapeseed oil is being closely monitored in Europe for a reason. Personally I only use extra virgin olive oil and extra virgin avocado oil. It would be great if Zoe made a video called: "Saturated fats are not evil" - I would very much watch it. Speaking of evil fats: trans fats are the ones to stay away from.
@@kierlak Most of this is driven by the "animal agriculture is destroying the planet" ideological nonsense, based on the practice of feeding ruminants annual-crop sillage in depleting soils instead of perrenial grasses and the high-quality soil they build from CO2 and methane.
39:07 - this "RCT" sounds ridiculous. Surely I'm not understanding properly, but did she study them *_for only one day for each oil type, and they were both seed oils?_*
Frankly I don’t understand the views expressed in this episode. How can an ultra processed food be acceptable? I’ve listened to most of the Zoë podcasts and find that often there appears to be contradictions which are difficult to explain between views expressed in different episodes and indeed by different guest speakers. Confusing or what? However, when margarines vs butter was discussed it transpired the manufacturing processes used in the USA were different and worse to those for the UK, so is this the same for seed oils? I still think it would helpful for alternative views to be part of the discussion for such matters as fibre and seed oils to gain broader understanding.
Please stop talking about LDLcholesterol as bad cholesterol. This myth has been debunked by researchers who are truly independant. See Ben Bikman's work.
Why would indépendant researchers be more trustworthy than the mainstream ones? They could be misled deluded quacks. Beware of the self proclaimed genius who makes his bread on contrarianism.
How are seed oils prepared? "Some are cold pressed, but to maximise the yield, a solvent is used. Then the oil is bleached and deodorised ..." Yeah, right - do we need to continue to watch her? The point is, she might just be right and seed oils may be fine. But are you prepared to gamble your future health and possibly your life on that possibility? The reality is that over the last 30 years, in the USA, the prevalence of type 2 diabetes has increased from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 11. Other non-infectious diseases and problems such as heart attacks, strokes, liver and kidney issues, obesity and many other medical problems have all increased by hundreds of percent over that time period. Why? What has changed? Non-western countries have not shown the same increases EXCEPT when western diets are adopted by those countries. So, the culprit seems to be our modern diets; the evidence is pretty conclusive. So the next question is how have our diets changed? The answer is we now consume very large quantities of ultra-processed food. Seed oils, artificial thickness, artificial emulsifiers, artificial sweeteners etc. etc. Nothing else has changed. Seed oils, in particular are in everything. If you don't believe me, try to buy a commercial mayonnaise that is made with olive oil, like it used to be made. The olive oil is long gone, replaced by cheaper sunflower oil or similar.
That's really funny! But really a sign of our times, when idiots are considered experts and the real experts are ignored. The comments are no surprise!
@@alisoninchausti1080 Really? So her being a professor and researcher teaching nutrition and medicine at King's College London does not make her an "actual expert"? Come on! Give your head a shake!
How about adding to that list of reasons why seed oils are not good for us is evident in all the photos of our population prior to 1960's. Everyone was slim, flat tummy, not diabetic. Society looking normal. What was introduced? Ghastly breakfast cereals, seed oils, and fast food. Maybe I'm wrong?
@@19111959 I have listened to top scientist talk about the omega 3 and 6 ratio and it’s damaging affects and am out on all this sudden change of direction
Will she address: 1) The huge numbers of anectdotes of fair-skinned people who stopped burning in the sun when they removed polyunsaturated oils from their diets? I used to burn in 15 to 20 minutes, myself, and can be in the sun for over an hour now without sunburn? 2)The observation that people living in cultures where there is no polyunsaturated oils added to food don't get the usual diseases from smoking cigarettes at anywhere near the rate that more advanced cultures do?
Too true about burning, I live near the equator but i'm white British and I used to burn like toast 1 hour before sunset with no sunblock on my face, I would go red, now I don't. That was when I ditched the seed oils and switched to beef dripping, butter and ghee pretty much exclusively. I'm so grateful to myself that I did that. My chance of developing skin cancer in the future is greatly reduced just by doing that alone
yes I can attest to that, Before I gave seed oils up I am very fair skinned and used to burn in the sun; now I no longer burn in the sun. My daughter is the same, she no longer burns
I eat very little ultra-processed food. I love to cook at home using fresh, whole ingredients and have the opportunity to choose which form of fat/oil I use which predominantly means EVOO. I keep sunflower, avocado, and sesame oils as well as butter/lard on hand for a few recipes. Because my diet is 10% or less ultra processed, I don’t worry much about the occasional other fat/oil I might encounter. For those who are sensitive to particular ingredients, by all means avoid them in your diet. I appreciate having the information provided in the podcast. Thank you!
Her confidence belies her ignorance of some important issues seemingly. 4HNE is a bi product of heating omega 6 oils and is known to affect the p53 tumour suppressor gene. There is a paper in Nature to this effect. What is disturbing is her confidence and lack of humility when it comes to her understanding. To brush off criticism as coming from the “haters” is a signal to me that she is not capable of understanding the limits of her own knowledge. A very unimpressive person.
I've been consuming seed oil and processed food with seed oil my entire life and I've felt like crap for most of it. It wasn't until I stopped consuming seed oil when I started to lose weight and felt great like I did when I was a child. You don't have to "listen to the experts" to find out if seed oils are bad or not. Just do your own experiment, consume seed oils for a month and then do a month without seed oils. I'm 100% certain you will notice a difference. I have no clue why someone would be pro seed oil nowadays without receiving some kind of financial incentives.
Yeah, of course it was because of the seed oils and not because of the crap which happens to have seed oils in it. I don't get how you people are able to breathe
@@HoneyBadgerBuddyit’s the industrial processing of food stuffs and seed oils. Those seed oils that are not cold pressed are ultra processed by heat, and chemicals as she describes.
Don’t forget someone is making money out of Zoe, or they’d left it be available FOC……
Seed oils are nasty industrially processed crap. Luckily, you've cut them out of your diet.
Sponsored by Big pharma ?
Industrially extracted oils, like Mechanically Recovered Meat… are highly profitable, and recover every last bit of product, but as someone very familiar with industrial chemical extraction using pentane and hexane, the extraction process is SO efficient, that it will ALSO extract toxic compounds that would otherwise have been left behind, and under natural circumstances, humans with their little teeth and single stomach, would never be able to extract by chewing, nor would they ingest them in any toxic quantities, EXCEPT where industrial extraction was involved. The whole deodorisation and bleaching process is to hide these undesirable chemicals that our noses would detect is a symptom of the problem she is dismissing without a full molecular spectra of what has been extracted, reliant on what the truthful industrial producers tell her. Is she that naive? I don’t hate her, she raises good points on omega 3 and clotting etc, but I expected much more from a Zoe guest.
This video is a disgrace to the scientific process, and just as much involved in misinformation as the youtubers mistaking correlation for causation. It should have had peer review before publication by the likes of Dr Robert Lustig, Dr Nadir Ali, Dr Aseem Malhotra, people who put good science above all else.
Also talks about LDL “BAD” cholesterol, another myth put out by the multibillion dollar statin industry.
Your brain is largely made of cholesterol, as are all your nerves, you need LDL for your cell membranes, you need it to fight infection…!
Now ZOE could comment on LDL, the other good cholesterol!
Here are some interesting videos from a cardiologist (there are others, a Texas cardiologist Dr Jamnadas on youtube also puts out his teaching hospital videos, and worth inviting)
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canola
ua-cam.com/video/_xJtlQH8Q88/v-deo.html
ldl the other good cholesterol
ua-cam.com/video/iOwfhFWUwhE/v-deo.html
I’d rather here from a cardiologist who has performed stents and determined that they will not prevent future adverse events, and if LDL is the cause of the fire and not the retardant foam… why do plaques only appear in arteries… the high pressure system, not in veins, but they do appear in veins grafted into arteries.
Giving up seed oils has been one of the best things I have done for better health and an overall sense of well-being.
I ended up with so much digestive pain, discomfort, other horrible side effects from consuming so much saturated fats and abandoning seed oils. The brainwash is so strong with the right wing nut case seed oil obsession. I am finally recovering after I gave up most of the saturated fat (just a tiny bit ghee here and there) and went back to regular oils. Pain is slowly going away.
Her evidence for why there is no health risk to heating seed oils (39:10) is mad. "I actually did a randomised control trial many years ago
that I’d actually forgotten about until I was thinking about this podcast yesterday and this is a study that I conducted at Kings with 19 healthy males”. How can you extrapolate from such a narrow study over a few days to say that there is no risk!
Exactly. No one is claiming that there is an instant toxic effect. If there were, there wouldn't be any debate. As an analogy, people who are 100 pounds heavier at age 60 than they were at 20 only needed to store a net 24 calories a day, which would be undetectable in a short study, which would show "no statistical significance in weight gain".
PUFAs, once stored in fat cells, are reluctant to be released for fuel (and the mitochondria go on a slowdown when they are the main fuel), having a half-life of about 4 years. If a person manages to never get overweight with a high-PUFA diet, then perhaps they have avoided most of its problems, but anyone who is storing PUFA in large amounts is going to have an EXTRA hard time losing weight.
That's nutrition science for you!
@@auntyjo1792yep, all a scam
Would love to read your study. Feel free to post the reference, or even better, a link!
@@benphillips3734 You want to see a study proving what exactly?
One of the most eye opening experiences is when you dig into the terrible state of most food products on the shelves of supermarkets. Shopping becomes interesting when you realise that about 80% of the stock in a typical outlet isn't good.
Hm. So. I've watched a video on seed oils being prepared and it was pretty gross. Then we had Tim telling us to avoid ultra processed food, including seed oils. Personally I got a whole lot better health when I ditched the seed oils and my LDL is very low with an excellent ratio with the HDL. The science seems a bit mixed when you google and we've been hearing 'experts' for years who end up apologising and getting it wrong (hello eggs, butter etc). On balance I think I'll continue avoiding seed oils thanks.
it’s almost as though the oil industry sent her to get their oils back in peoples diet.. ???
@@naturallysimple4938they've certainly managed to get her on board.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Absolutely agree. I'm 1000% better since I ditched seed oil. Not only is Tim Spector spot on in his books, but most Functional Medicine doctors say exactly the same. I'm grateful for the advice, and would advise anyone not to use any seed oil.
Every single reason you have given for using these oils has hardened my desire to never have them in my diet except in their natural form of nuts and seeds.
Smart…
Yes. I am not sure whey we cannot just eat the real food nuts and seeds without heating them. I wonder if this person works for the industry and it is not being disclosed here. Why not use olive oil? I am not comfortable with these oils and they produce volatile compounds when heated. I would not feed this to my family iether. It sounds like she is comfortable eating them and feeding her family in this way. There is a lot of content here that I do not agree with on the ZOE channel. She does not address the issue of volatile compounds and it is possible on the limited measures the indsutry looks at the oils look fine. No one is going to create a study to look at things that would make their product look bad or inferior. The measures in the study are critical to look at and they may not be measuring the bigger picture most people are concerned about. Something might not kill you today but it could seed cancer over the long haul and this is not part of the study even if it is a randomized control trial.
@@SL-1985 first look into how rct's are carried out and how they are reviewed, before posting your nonsense please.
@@SL-1985 In almost every podcast Zoe promotes eating real food & olive oil. This video is aimed at the misinformation that these wellness-evangelical (Often LCHF) grifters spread. Personally I'm sticking to olive oil and real food. Regardless this is very interesting & informative. Maybe I'll cook (high heat) with certain seed oils to save $ after hearing this.
@@jschreiber6461 Not
I would suggest that you go to a seed oil manufacturing plant and see and smell their production. I worked close to a manufacturing plant and stopped using them after seeing how it was produced.
seed oils have a 4 year half life in the body, now we have upto 30%in the early 1900 it was 1%.
"Don't consume ultra-processed foods" except for seed oils that go through 15 industrial processes to be edible......
Not if organic cold pressed
@@louisejackson1968...and how many of them are???
@@louisejackson1968 It depends on the pressure applied by the press. A high powered industrial cold press to max profits will get the toxic compounds out together with your oil. That’s why she was roughly right when saying there was little difference. Eating and crushing with your teeth, or extracting in a little family business with a hand crank would be ok. Think about why French wine growers once produced the best wines by crushing grapes with feet, to avoid excess pressure bringing out the undesirable compounds. The same principle applies, and varies on the seed/plant.
@@louisejackson1968 So is there a cold pressed version of cotton seed, corn, soybean oils?
@@budlaumer you didn't specify in your comment, you can't cherry pick now. And, please, tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
I tried eating food prepared with seed oils for a month and was shocked that I had gained a significant amount of weight! Since then, I started cooking my own food by avoiding seed oils and felt much better and stop gaining weight.
So you started cooking your own food, which means you could regulate how much fat was in your food and you stopped gaining weight. The law of thermodinamics is truly incredible. Has nothing to do with the type of oil you use, though.
@@shinshintei1739 it's the fat that made you fat
@@HoneyBadgerBuddyLuckily, the OP doesn't care about your opinion.
@@Boababa-fn3mr Guess that happens when people listen to chiropractors pretending to be doctors or if you're part of a brainless cult. :D
Seriously, gaining or losing weight is the one and only thing for which you can say with certainty that all oils are exactly the same!
Seed oils do not exist in nature. Big Ag produces them, markets them, pays for studies promoting them, and provides grants to researchers that agree they are not harmful, but helpful. I'm sold.
Seed oils ... straight in the bin. Sticking with butter.
Dr Brad Stannfield, also a VERY reliable source of info.,as he only goes by randomised controlled trials and meta analyses ( always evidence based approach) also made a video a day ago in favour of seed oils and disputing the majority negative view of seed oils..so in agreement eith Sarah.
If not 'evidence based', it's just a personal opinion and no good to anyone.
There is also plenty of evidence that omega 6 oils are inflamatory and tend to out balance our requirement for omega 3. In general though, PUFAs are unstable and should be avoided for cooking. Sadly vegetable oils are used to deep fry.
Lets NOT forget "Publication Bias" .... Also good to remember ,our own MHRA is 86% funded bu Big Pharma !!!
@@chazwymani will bite. Give the pmids of the RCT studies in humans (not mice, not monkeys, not rabbits etc) showing seed oils /Linoleic Acid/Omega6 increased inflammation. Right here right now, show it. And thenni will show you the meta analyses which prove that linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory markers in humans.
@@chazwyman literally debunked in the video
@@colsylvester639 Not debunked, although most people seem to be falling for it. 🤡
If we turn purely to biochemistry:
- sunflower, rapeseed, vegetable oils are polyunsaturated fats and when they are exposed to oxygen, they easily damage -> not healthy
- polyunsaturated fats are prone to becoming free radicals (when these fats are heated, electrons can be lost -> become free radicals). Then this further reacts with oxygen in the air over the cooking pan -> becomes even more damaging. The damaged fats formed will be incorporated into the cell membrane.
- so the conclusion is that polyunsaturated fats should be kept in dark glass bottles in fridge - never used for cooking
Indeed, omega 3 and omega 6 FA double bonds are equally reactive when exposed to air/oxygen and this reaction is promoted/accelerated by light and heat. Epoxidation also happens at the single double bond of oleic acid. However, these reactions ae not as fast as often claimed and we had to subject the oils to very drastic conditions, way beyond what would be encountered during cooking something in a frying pan with a seed oil, before traces of double bond changes could be detected. The frying conditions encountered in fast food outlets are somewhat different and can be more drastic since the water vapour released from the food foams up the oil, which creates a much larger surface area exposed to a mixture of air and steam and this is not a one-off exposure since the same oil is used repeatedly.
What about the recent study that supposedly finds possible link between excess seed oil consumption and colon cancer.
"Integration of lipidomics with targeted, single cell, and spatial transcriptomics defines an unresolved pro-inflammatory state in colon cancer"
Not sure UA-cam allows me to post a link.
I have a question. I get correlation is not causation but isn't the same true for positive outcomes. For example when observing that seed oil consumption is associated to good health outcomes is that Randomized controlled studies in general or just association. Because there can be a "healthy subject" bias here as well. For example someone listening to ZOE and ingesting seed oils may become healthier but the average ZOE viewer is probably a healthy conscious person anyway (eating well, exercise etc.) Furthermore, until we find seed oils are the fountain of youth isn't it more prudent (out of abundance of caution) to avoid them and use say olive oil while experts still disagree? I mean seed oil is not an essential nutrient right?
I thought this podcast was giving opinions based on results of RCTs and epidemiological studies. It also seemed clear that sticking to extra virgin olive oil is an ideal option for those who can afford it.
Two caveats to that, I think. One is you may need some other oil with a higher smoke point for some types of cooking.
The other is where will you get your Omega-3s, which ARE an essential nutrient.
I buy cod liver oil from a pharmacy and one tablespoon per week gives me enough of the long-chain Omega-3s which otherwise the body must make, inefficiently, from ALA. That is MUCH cheaper than the fish oil capsules.
I don't think meat is the big reason people's health is in decline. What always annoying is when a plant based group or organisation go out of their way to demonise eating meat. People have been eating meat for thousands even hundreds of thousands of years and not much of an issue. Actually we could say with confidence that meat has been a big positive in our physical and brain development over human history. Meat beats plants hands down on every nutritional value. Now of course we also have eaten plants and I think they are good to eat as part of a whole food diet. The high levels of overweight and obesity really started increasing around the mid to the end of the 70s early 80s and there is an association between the guidelines governments brought in around at this time on what to eat. I mean it's very heavily biased on carbohydrates up to 66% of your daily energy intake from cards. The interesting thing about carbohydrates is our bodies don't actually need them as our body can produce its own glucose.
Now I am not suggesting that everyone stop eating carbohydrates but do we need to be eating such high amount on a daily basis.
Carbohydrates unlike meat can be used to produce many different foods a lot of highly processed foods and maybe that's the real reason why we are td to eat such high amount of this non essential nutrient it's ALL About MONEY 💰 profit. Not a lot of massive profits in your regular piece of meat.
Didn't mention that there are 2 omega 3. 3 and 3s from oily fish and the omega 3 from veg, ala conversion rate is very poor. The oils degrade over time, oxidation at room temperature was not discussed.
The conversion rate is very poor if at all.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
@lauriesmith7517 watched it, all waiting to see how restricted what they would say, and it was poor.
What we got was
1. Seed oils are great because they have so much Omega6!
2. As long as you have enough Omega3, it doesn't matter how much Omega6 you have
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Today watched, a video on the workings of omega 3 s and complicated would be an under statement. But as always to much or too little, maybe not so helpful .
Zoe you have done yourself in with this one
The British Nutrition Foundation is a lobby group funded by the food industry (wiki). As Sarah provides courses and is funded by the BNF, there are suggestions of a confict of interest as a minimum, as well as inaccuracies pointed out elsewhere in the podcast content.
Is that so? That explains why she is speaking such BS -
My gut feeling, ie life experience was whispering since the beginning of this video: COI, COI, COI (conflict of interest). I went into video description and found none declared. Then I went to comments, and found rhus one. Thanks for that. Such a propaganda video one does not do for free, that's what life tought me, and I was right.
I haven't found the connection between Sarah Berry and the The British Nutrition Foundation, The courses she teachers or any funding she receives from them. Would you mind helping point me in the right direction for finding all that? Thanks!
Zoe is not science. It's about getting paid to promote processed food. Who are their backers? Look to the money.
Seed oils are garbage. Terrible headline.
I think the first thing you should say before proceeding further is to make a disclaimer that Professor Sarah Berry has never been sponsored by seed-oil companies in her research and her academic works.
Seed oils are an ultra processed food which we should be avoiding
Tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Have you actually watched the whole video and listened to it? It seems not.
Yeah ur right organic cold pressed seed oils are healthy❤❤
You don't need animal fats
@@kimbertossa3094 do you ever have an original thought in that little brain of yours?
Zoe has sold out. But then they have always been sell outs. Seed oil is heavily processed. It is not food.
I'm cooking with lard and tallow and will continue to do so.
Which is completely irrelevant to this video.
You are free to jack up your LDLc and ApoB and enjoy the 1 million years bonus years added to life (not). Carnitards are so predictable
@@lauriesmith7517no it isn’t
I see you are trying hard to take years off your life instead of striving for longevity and health. A pity.
@@Kristers_K keep on using franken-oils and you’ll get there long before I do! 😆
I would like to know who sponsored her research
😁
The F&B industry for sure.
I don’t leave comments either, but listening to this episode I agree with everyone else, my thought was, is her science and research backed by the seed oil companies.
It's quite common for the big companies to fund universities to get the good press they require to hoodwink us all. I shall stick to my extra virgin olive oil and pure butter.
It's possible that seed oils only effect people with IBS and food intolerance. It's disappointing that Zoe is claiming to debunk the evidence we have repeatedly tested. My experiments have shown even small amouts of seed oils effect my IBS. It was years before I noticed that all the non dairy milks were all loaded with seed oil as a preservative and stopping them was the last step in fixing my IBS. My current diet using olive oil keeps my IBS under control.
I gave up eating seed oils almost 7 years ago and have never looked back. Eating seed oils killed my metabolic health and I felt like I was slowly dying just before I gave them up. I felt better within a month of stopping eating food with them in and lost my belly fat and gained back my vitality. Do not underestimate how bad consuming these oils are. I have helped a number of people remove these from their diet and they have all thanked me for it
This interview barely skimmed on people with high cholesterol, but what I find unforgivable is completely ignoring people with fatty liver (which is the vast majority of the western world). Nevermind diabetics!!!
So this episode just serves as a reminder that studies are only done on really healthy people, as any health issues/co-morbidities are considered disqualifying for the purposes of studies. Meanwhile I'm going to continue to suggest to everyone outside of their 20s years of age to stay well away from seed oils until these so-called studies include the people they're supposed to help. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the healthy people don't need to be concerned with seed oils themselves, but that's always a small percentage of the adult population unfortunately.
Thanks, but no thanks. Feel free to consume all the seed oils you like Sarah.
Shocking, that she added repeated heating makes no difference to health out comes, yet added that one Should try to use fresh oil....they are hiding something. Who Is being fooled????
And your view is based on what science?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121934
It's not the oil. It's the oxidized oil. And if you think the oil hasn't oxidized a bit after spending months sitting around waiting to be sold, well...
@@sauercarey that argument doesn’t hold up. Oxidisation in the form of oxidised LDL isn’t the cause of health problems but rather Apob carrying LDL levels in the bloodstream. If anything seed oils with linoleic acid have shown health benefits if anything.
What about ratio of omega 3 to 6? What about effects of seed oil on metabolism and appetite? Id like to hear a conversation between Dr Berry and Dr Hyman
Do these seed oils reduce Apo(b), which is a better predictor of cardiovascular risk than LDL cholesterol?
Dr. Sarah Berry argues that seed oils, especially when consumed in moderate amounts, may not pose significant health risks and could even benefit heart health. She points out that the evidence linking seed oils to chronic disease is often observational and suggests that controlled studies have not conclusively proven harm. Dr. Berry also notes that omega-6, found in these oils, does not seem to drive inflammation when part of a balanced diet and that reducing saturated fats by substituting with PUFAs might be cardioprotective.
To critique her perspective:
1. **Oxidative Potential of Seed Oils**: While Dr. Berry supports seed oils, concerns remain about their stability under high heat, as heating PUFAs can produce harmful aldehydes. The effect of these aldehydes on cellular health and oxidative stress is significant in cases where seed oils are used for cooking, potentially increasing inflammation despite not raising it in controlled, cold-use studies.
2. **Omega-6 to Omega-3 Ratio**: Dr. Berry mentions that omega-6 alone may not be inflammatory; however, excessive omega-6 relative to omega-3 can promote chronic inflammation. Western diets are already high in omega-6, so her recommendation could unintentionally amplify this imbalance unless balanced with omega-3 sources.
3. **Health Outcomes Beyond Heart Disease**: Seed oils have been associated with neurodegenerative and inflammatory conditions due to their oxidation potential and long-term tissue accumulation.
In conclusion, Dr. Berry’s approach may be more relevant to balanced, cold uses of seed oils. However, for heated cooking, ghee, olive oil, or other stable fats are likely safer to avoid oxidative stress and inflammation.
Expanding on illnesses associated with **oxidative stress, chronic inflammation, and volatile aldehydes**, here’s how these factors contribute to various health issues:
### 1. **Cardiovascular Disease**
- **Oxidative Stress and Inflammation**: Chronic oxidative stress and inflammation are major contributors to cardiovascular disease. Oxidative stress can damage blood vessel walls, leading to the buildup of plaque, a condition known as atherosclerosis. This plaque accumulation increases the risk of heart attacks and strokes.
- **Volatile Aldehydes**: Research suggests that aldehydes formed in heated seed oils can lead to lipid peroxidation (damage to fats in cell membranes), increasing inflammation within blood vessels. This, in turn, exacerbates the progression of heart disease and can trigger abnormal cholesterol levels, particularly elevating the more harmful small, dense LDL particles that contribute to plaque formation.
### 2. **Neurodegenerative Diseases (e.g., Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s)**
- **Oxidative Stress**: The brain is highly susceptible to oxidative damage because it consumes a significant amount of oxygen and contains many fatty acids in its structure. Accumulated oxidative
Interesting. It would be interesting to see you interview Dr Catherine Shanahan MD, author of Dark Calories: How Vegetable Oils Destroy Our Health and How We Can Get It Back. The declining health in the industrialized world cardinally tracks with seed oil consumption. Correlation is not causation but her arguments go well beyond that. There is so much new science that no individual or group can keep up with it so it would be informative to see her and Professor Berry discuss it.
Shanahan is interesting but goes off into hyperbolae that dilutes her message. Dr Robert Lustig does a better job
@@jschreiber6461 No better way to expose hyperbole than debate.
Another factor that Professor Berry didn't mention was that most Canola and other seed oils in the US are contaminated with glyphosate and pesticides that are banned in Europe.
@@nowayjose6700 Yup, or that using solvent extraction (pentane or hexane) not only extracts all the oil, but also all the fat soluble toxic compounds that can then accumulate in your fatty tissues, poisoning you over years. It’s one of the reasons why fat cells contribute to cancer.
I was just listening to her interview with Mindy pelz, came here to listen to this for 'balance'. This video is also at odds with eat fat get thin Dr mark Hyman
saturated fats r more stable, its unsaturated fats that oxidise easily in ur body......also we could never naturally eat that many seeds to get the amount of oil we r eating now from processed seed oils youd have to eat thousands of seeds or more
Totally captured. I'm now questioning all the info on this channel.
only now?
I agree, I find a lot of the info very suspect on this channel
@@AndrewBuckleBookReviews then why on earth are you here? SMH
The food industrie is spending a lot of money for that advertising.
I researched today and Zoe’s new investors are all venture capital companies that also have investments in processed food companies. Some making processed meat free products and diary free cheese so should Zoe now declare that they have a conflict of interest ?
First video from Zoe that has a look and feel of being externally funded, even the leading questions and title of video.
Consuming anything that requires bleaching, solvents, de-odorising and industrial processing to be edible just doesn't make sense 🛢 ... yet Sarah (5:42) calls the process relatively straight forward 🤷♂
I will spend a little bit extra and stick with Extra Virgin Cold Pressed Olive Oil, Avocado Oil, Grass Fed Tallow and Butter 🫒 Also Tim advocating Olive Oil, Kefir, Kimchi, Black Coffee for polyphenols, gut microbiome etc. in prior video while Sarah has margarine on toast is confusing and conflicting.
I remember Tim saying seeds oils were bad
Where did he say that?
@@awolf913 Several videos back. I can't remember when but I do remember him saying it.
Before putting down the Sydney Heart Study results, keep in mind that their cholesterol levels went down as expcected on a polyunsaturated diet and they still got bad results on the poly diet. If there was a lot of trans fats in their diet that shouldn't have happened, So we don't know that they got significant amounts of trans fats. The evidence suggests they didn't, unless you can explain why their cholesterol levels got better despite the trans fats.
In the conversation seed oils claimed to be healthy because is can lower LDL. But does lower LDL be healthy?
Yes.
@@stefanwohnig65not necessarily
No. Phytosterols artificially reduce LDL. When we quit using seed oils, our LDL returns to a normal healthy level. That's not a raise in real terms. We need cholesterol for a healthy brain, making hormones and Vit D, making cells. Supposedly heart healthy spreads have now been shown to be worse than butter for the heart in the long term. Very disappointed with Zoe these days. Instead, Take a look at talks by Dr Paul Mason about LDL, he explains the science really well. DoctorsToTrust is a great resource - small bites of talks by many experts in their own fields of neuroscience, biochemistry, medicine..... eloquent speakers who are actually seeing results as their own patients reverse chronic metabolic bad health, all backed up with studies, charts, evidence.
i like Zoe, broadly, but i'm troubled by the way that, when it comes down to it, the pleasant and knowledgeable sarah berry (and the american doctor) always seems to come down on the side of the industrial food process (with qualifications) - my 'gut' instinct is that this is wrong and that is what i will act on. The basic idea that whole-foods are best, made sense to me from the 1970s - it was heavily attacked from the late 1970s - and tim spector doesn't seem to acknowledge that his current stress on whole-foods is much the same as the case made by the healthy food ecological and nutritional arguments of the 1960s and 1970s ('hippies' and people like rose elliott and many others) - though there have been, of course, some improvements in understanding.
You just an olive oil expert on your show who said seed oil wasn’t good for you.
I wonder who funds the research? I stopped using seed oils 3 years ago & now use extra virgin olive oil & butter from grass fed cows. The videos I’ve seen of how these seed oils are produced is gross. No thanks. And the continuing use of the term “bad cholesterol” does my head in.
Agree. Also, it’s worth googling ‘who funds the research at Kings College?’
@@13Pandam The 2019 Kings College research into IE fats was funded by among others, Coca-Cola,nabisco, PepsiCo, Sainsbury’s, M&S, DuPont, mondelez, Nabim, Nestle and Unilever.
@@jgreen9361 surely an olive is a fruit and only the flesh is used, not the pit.
@@jgreen9361 google it!😉
@@jgreen9361 Aside from the fact that it's a fruit, it is 'cold-pressed' and unprocessed. Unfortunately, those who live in the US have a harder time getting unpolluted EVOO since it is often bogus.
I don’t need to bring you hate Sarah. It is really helpful to listen to your counter arguments and debunking and listening carefully to the number of caveats you provide which in fact make the argument NOT to consume seed oil even more compelling and this coupled with you being seemingly completely unaware of your own evidence. Or you are fully aware but have some conflict of interest going on here!
Totally agree. This is the *_most unconvincing video_* in this podcast I've seen so far based on the following:
1) They said that the refinery process of seed oils didn't make them unhealthy.
a) They have repeatedly suggested us to avoid refined olive oil and choose extra virgin olive oil. But suddenly refinery process is okay for seed oils? How come?
2) Hexane, the substance used in the refinery process is a derivative of petroleum. Hexane is bad to be consumed. Could they be so sure that there is no Hexane at all left in the final product of refined seed oils?
c) Heating oil until it smokes in cooking is okay? Why? There is certainly chemical processes happening because the changing form from liquid to gas and it is not reversible. Burnt foods (e.g burnt meat) are changing form and become carcinogen, but when it comes to oils it is suddenly okay? There must be a change of molecules composition from liquid to gas and it wasn't explained in the video, neither was the impact of the change.
d) Cold press seed oils before refinery have low smoke points, but after refinery they have much higher smoke points. Thus, there must be some changes happened in the molecular level. The video doesn't explain the changes and their impact to our body. The video just said it was still healthy, without explaining the detail.
2) The test of consuming used seed oils and test the impact on the body 8 hours later is very unconvincing, because:
a) The waiting period between the consumption of used seed oils and the test is too short. There are a lot of substances which are bad for our health of which impact could only be seen after years or decades of consumption. Teflon in cooking utensils is one example. If I used a teflon pan to cook an omellete and eat that omellete now, you won't see the bad impact of the teflon 8 hours later. Smoking cigarette is another example. If I smoke now, most likely I wouldn't get a lung cancer by tomorrow.
b) They said that the test of consuming used seed oils didn't show negative impact, but still suggest us to avoid repeat use of cooking oils (of any kinds). It is very contradictive.
Wonder if Zoe will be bringing out a cooking oil soon 👀
@@elizabethash3247 My speculation is they had got a request from a government's body or an industry organization to promote seed oils, to change poeple's consumption from olive oils to seed oils. The UK has been struggling with their economy due to Brexit. A Cambridge report released at the beginning of 2024 mentioned that there had been 2 millions jobs lost up to 2023 due to Brexit. Unlike olive oils, seed oils are produced locally in the UK. I could see the government or an industrial organization requested Zoe to promote seed oils while appealing to their patriotism as fellow Brits.
@@tiararoxeanne1318yes! So many agendas being pedalled by Zoe principals. Fed Amati saying if you’re not celiac don’t worry about wheat when so many people have major issues with wheat and not testing as celiac. Tim Spector saying all kinds of mad things and then changing his mind. But I expect the drivers which generate £££‘s will be the ones to watch out for. Very disturbing.
@@tiararoxeanne1318 I highly doubt that.
6:21 Her explanation of how the seed oils are processed is enough for me to stick with evoo & avocado oil. Solvents, bleaches & chemicals oh my! 😂😂
How can you be sure your evoo and avocado oil are not adulterated with these toxic oils? 🤷♂️
@@DomDeDom Gotta research the brand. Costco has a couple that have been tested to be clean, for example. But sticking to animal-fats are much safer: butter, bacon grease, lard, tallow. Much healthier and safer. 💖
Hexane is the common solvent used to extract oil from soybeans and other oilseeds. However, the reason why it is allowed is that it evaporates from the oil mash during processing.
@@devdroid9606 for olive oil the concern isn't hexane but seed oils added to make it cheap.
@@devdroid9606 also anybody who's made hash oil would know that sometimes you gotta use some of the bad "chemicals" to get the good "chemicals" that you want haha. It's just like cleaning something with Isopropyl alcohol, you just need to make sure it all evaporates and you're good to go
I couldn't quite make up my mind about Zoe until now. This video made me look a bit deeper at Zoe. Dr Berry is their head of nutrition science research. Zoe seem to be still deeply enmeshed in the decades old 'saturated fat bad, cholesterol bad' falacy.
I've unsubscribed
Did this lady just say solvents are used in the processing of seeds oils?
Oooo most contentious podcast yet. May I suggest getting on a “no seed oil advocate” and having a bit of a debate? Max Lugavere perhaps? It could bring back some trust…??
Please add to the explanation why the San Diego dolphin study has resolved that the dolphins were suffering from metabolic disorders due to too high a ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 in natural, unprocessed seafood.
obesity exploded the last 50 years together with the increasing consumption of seed oil. so what's the point in this discussion at all?!
Well, you will get a small percentage of LA with your SFA anyways, so that argument "you body need it" is just stupid. Seed oils are ultra processed and unnatural. All the historic data suggest that seed oils could be the reason for the increase in modern illnesses the last 50-100 years.
Lol 🤣 if you look at the comments to what Sarah is saying they don't believe what she is saying. We don't need to have seed oil's to be healthy and if we don't have them we won't be un healthy.
Thank you for failing to debunk any of the real arguments and confirming that seed oil is bs. The most convincing argument was cherrypicking of the studies, but this argument relies on the belief that the food industry has your best health in mind, which I can't believe in. (You can find studies to prove anything you want.)
Most supermarket brands of oils go through terrible 15 processes: chemical extraction, chemical treatment, chemical removal of odor, bleaching, extraction with very high heat…. You just mentioned them all, how is these oils (highly processed) still healthy?!? Can you think of any food that can remain healthy after so many chemical processes?!? 😂😂😂 what a joke
You are probably in the US, but nonetheless buy cold pressed oil. In fact use EVOO, organic raw coconut oil or beef dripping depending on use.
@@l3eatalphal3eatalpha Are you aware that coconut oil is about 80% saturated and beef dripping about 40% saturated?
@@rossmurray6849 Thank you, yes. All fats solid at lower temperatures are saturated, but it doesn't bother me.
Polyunsaturated oils should never be exposed to heat it destroys the beneficial affects.
@@rossmurray6849 Sarah Berry advocates the out of date view that saturated fats are a cause of CVD. I have posted links to some very recent large meta analyses debunking these ideas but they are always deleted on Zoe.
How toxic is hexane?
And can it honestly be completely removed from the oilseed that it's been added to?
Yes it can be completely removed since it's so volatile. You consume a lot more hexane from car fumes daily.
Wanted to add, I can tell when seed oils are used vs non. I was given an olive and it tasted gross. Turns out it had seed oil in the jar. It makes my stomach churn in a sour way no matter what product. So no thank you
While I don't find seed oils toxic, I do find that they can go rancid over time which is why I will focus on only eating the seeds themselves along with other plant based foods while only consuming fruit oils or fatty fruits and their products like coconut butter and oil, unrefined West African palm fruit oil, and shea butter, cocoa butter, and avocado and olive oils while avoiding all animal products and most ultraprocessed foods. When the guest mentions palm oil, is the guest referring to the typical refined and bleached palm oil or naturally occurring unrefined palm oil? I heard omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids mentioned but what about omega 9 fatty acids? Thank you for this episode.
I would suggest that the rest of what you do is so good that it overcomes the negative effects of the very high saturated fat content of palm and coconut oils.
I would literally choose any other plant oil over those two or products of any land animal.
@@rossmurray6849 The palm oil and coconut oil often used in products are usually refined and hydrogenated, which are definitely problematic. I am talking about coconut fat and palm fruit oils on their naturally occurring forms and the guest Sara(?) did not specifically mention what type of palm oil she researched or was examined in the study. Naturally occurring palm fruit oil has vitamin E and vitamin A as beta carotene and makes it easier for the body to absorb fat soluble vitamins and minerals like the other plant fats do.
While we're at it, why not bring back toxic Crisco to our diet🧐🤦♂
Certainly there is something in Crisco that our bodies can't produce on their own
I honestly got a nightmare after I saw this podcast. I hope the algorithm does not push up this misinformation
Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, or what the motivation is? A few weeks ago you had Tim giving another wonderful talk about the wonders of olive oil and now you have Sarah on her own with no counter argument spruiking that seed oils are not that bad. They are the foundation of so many health issues and most corporations are quite happy to keep poisoning consumers for the sake of the bottom line.
How can something so highly processed not be toxic? Sorry I’m passing on this one.
learned an enormous amount here; thank you! Seed oils are cheap and amost always sit for months in plastic bottles, whereas the more expensive EVOO will usually be in glass. Any difference healthwise?
This is a horrific video, you can do a lot better than to take this advice. If you find my comment you will see it well debunked
@@samburrell3288I disagree, randomised control trials actually find health benefits when tested in isolation.
@@awolf913 Here's my comment for your benefit, I also forgot to add that you can actually run a diesel car engine on seed oils too. These seed oils aren't even food, prior to their introduction to the human diet they were machine lubricants and used in oil lamps before electricity was invented and widespread. enjoy my reply and I hope you learn something from it.
Is this a comedy channel or a nutrition channel? This is so bad it's actually funny. 'We are eating more seed oils now than we ever have before' well that's correct, and we're sicker now than we've ever been before, see the problem? In the 1960's in the UK overall obesity was 1-2%, now it is 25-26%. We had much less seed oils then and much more animal fat then, in contrast to now.
Allow me to debunk
1) Yes omega-6 polyunsaturated fat is essential but you can get them in pretty much any food including all animal food, the issue with the seed oils is the EXCESS amounts of PUFAS of which seed oils are very high in 30-75% depending on which type you use VS grass fed beef dripping or butter which contains 1.5% PUFAS.
2) Seed oils will oxidise your LDL and vastly increase your chance of heart disease and cancer
3) Seed oils were introduced in America in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Heart disease increased 60% in America between 1907 to 1936. Cancer increased 90% from 1907 to 1936.
4) Sugar consumption peaked in Japan in 1988 but cancer rates have continued to increase since, along with seed oil consumption
5) All of the vitamins found in seed oils can also be obtained in all animal fats, with the benefit of being more bioavailable than their seed oil counterparts.
6) Seed oils are highly refined, oxidised and deodorised. The reason they do not taste of anything is because they're deodorised, if they weren't the taste would be vile and unpalatable.
7) They are in almost all processed foods which Sarah quite rightly acknowledges and we know processed foods or UPFs are very bad for us as ZOE again quite rightly note, but apparently seed oils are the 'good, heart healthy' bit of the junk food, ok then.
8) Personal perspective, after cutting out all seed oils as far as possible and even quitting mayonnaise which is basically a jar of seed oils, my skin has improved so much, I live near the equator and my skin used to be so sensitive to sunburn, now it is much more resistant and takes much more to go red, this alone will greatly reduce my chance of developing skin cancer (and no I did not change the type of sunblock I use, this is with and without sunblock, so they're no other variables)
The cognitive dissonance here is quite astonishing, you know it's bad when you can learn more from a comment like mine than you can from the actual hour long video itself. Keep enjoying your seed oils Sarah, i'll keep enjoying my beef dripping, butter and ghee, I know my food will be tasting better than yours on the strength of that too, which is another added benefit and bonus.
@@samburrell3288 you just said a load of waffle there no disrespect. Firstly it is vegetable oil that can be used in cars not seed oils in their entirety, also it doesn’t burn very efficiently anyway so it’s not really a fuel source. Also oxidised LDL is not the problem it is Apob containing LDL that is the leading cause of heart disease and circulatory problems. In fact many trials consistently find seeds oils which have linoleic acid actually lead to better health outcomes and lowering Apob. Also you say quitting mayonnaise could just be because of other ingredients, why would it be just the seed oils? We have to be careful not to use mechanistic speculation to back up our claims, randomised control trials are better to further determine the true issues.
@@samburrell3288 actually your claim of processed and unprocessed foods is inherently harmful, if you mean ultra processed then fair enough but that is also a grey area term that isn’t fully defined and in terms of processed that isn’t entirely true, kimchi is incredibly healthy, in fact healthier than just eating the vegetables in their raw form.
I have Dr. Chris Knobbe's book claiming that seed oils correlate with the rise in chronic diseases. It is totally interesting that the very ones who are the biggest adherents to the seed oils are bad mantra are also the very ones that constantly say correlation does not equal causation, but are perfectly willing to accept it in this case. Dr. Knobbe may be correct, but it is mainly based on the correlation. I will have to say, it is a tremendous correlation, and something is causing the rise in chronic diseases outside of the ones obviously preventable by lifestyle/nutritional choices.
It is not nonsense Lady. Seed oils are not good. I cook daily since 12. I am 61 and cooking from coconut oil,ghee, olive oil(salads) seaseme not roasted, avocado once in a while and that's what works for my family and I.
Cold pressed is the way to go.
I suggest that the one knowing you better than anyone else, any industry, any doctor, is yourself. Try and pay attention in what is good for you.
My post with the link to the BBC article has been removed for some reason?
Seed oils produce aldehydes when heated which have been linked to increased risk of heart disease and cancer.
Google this "Which oils are best to cook with? It's the BBC article from 28 July 2015 and comments by "Leicester School of Pharmacy at De Montfort University in Leicester, where Prof Martin Grootveld and his team ran a parallel experiment where they heated up these same oils and fats to frying temperatures..."
If you want seeds in your diet, just eat the seeds. I think we've heard this before with fruit juice.
Great analogy!
@@yvonne3903 is olive oil a seed oil
Don't eat pizza - eat whole tomatoes, stalks of wheat, and drink milk.
Scientists looked at the cholesterol in the heart of people who had died of a heart attack. They discovered the LDL cholesterol blocking the arteries didn’t seem the same as normal cholesterol. It had been damaged by Linoleic acid found in seed oils and peanuts.
So when a patient is tested for LDL cholesterol it looks the level has decreased. But they’re not seeing the damaged cholesterol, which the liver has rejected and is flowing around their body.
Has there been any studies of microplastics in seed oils? They usually come in plastic bottles.
Appalling under reporting of the cholesterol story, no mention of small dense ldl particles oxidated and damaging to the cardiovascular system, and all its associated downstream diseases. Simply don’t consume any industrialised interfered with foods. Oils are already oxidated before you buy it.Only consume cold pressed and reduce the volume of seed oil in the diet.
I suffer badly with Ankylosing spondylitis, a spinal arthritic condition. I've been advised to avoid seed oils due to inflammation impact, subsequently it's impacting my polyunsaturated fat intake. No one, so far, has been able to help with this conundrum. Any ideas?
Diet may help to relieve the pain but root cause of rubbish between joints needs to be targeted. Probably you need a good chiropractor or a good therapist who knows things like Rife, magnetic therapy, red light therapy to cure the root cause.
Since seed oil is in virtually everything we eat and they are healthy for the body, what in your opinion is responsible for the increasing diseases like metabolic disease , and cancers ? I mean seed oil is healthy as crap. What’s the issue then. Because we are getting large doses of this wonder oil , what’s going on in the world with disease ?
Great info, but can I ask, can you get the same benefis from eating the seeds themself, as oppozed to in the form of oil?
This podcast was clear that the seeds are better than the oils.
Seeds contain protein, carbs, and fibre which do not get into the oils and they also have more of the very beneficial micronutrients called phytosterols.
After listening, I still think reduced oil consumption regardless of how it's used is in the best interest of everyone. Sure, season with it if it means you'll eat your greens. Or have the odd deep-fried what-ever as a treat now and then. But stick to whole-foods as much as possible daily for the best health outcomes.
It’s interesting how many people in the comments say they quit seed oils, lost weight and felt better. I think that says more than Sarahs 10 day study and it’s affect on bio markers.
It's a horrific video. I debunked it with a long comment if you can find it
Yes. Her study seemed rather too weak to be worthy of mention. Healthy young students as her “guinea pigs” probably (as is often the case!) Not exactly a typical population study.
There are any number of diets that people will go on and say they feel better afterwards, and a lot of that is just because the human body adapts to try and restore homeostasis. There are many strong proponents of the carnivore diet, other low carb diets, fad diets, etc. because of this, even if they have no or low quality evidence of long term benefit or even safety.
Would love a follow-up panel interview with Sarah, Dr. Casey Means of Good Energy, & Chris van Tulleken of Ultra Processed People (all whom have been guests on Zoe).
And Dr Ken Berry and Dr Anthony Chaffee and Dr Paul Mason and Dr Zoe Harcombe for starters about the importance of eating animal foods and saturated fats, definitely not seed oils, and especially Dr Malcolm Kendrick about how the higher the LDL cholesterol the longer the life. Sarah Berry sounds like someone from decades ago before we did research on these topics. ZOE is a total scam, blind to current investigations of science. And we can do without conclusions based on a few people under Sarah Berry. Really incredible.
What does she mean, when she says we eat more palm oil than anything else?! If you avoid processed foods, then you don't eat any! Butter, ghee, even lard is better than processed seed oils. Your brain needs fats, particularly medium chain triglycerides found in coconut oil. Feed your brain! Always go for cold pressed olive oil or avocado oil. Why would you consume an oil that has a solvent added to extract more oil? Sarah said her views might change in 5 years when more studies come out. I'd rather avoid the heavily processed oils now and stick to the natural method of extraction. Also, meat and saturated fat and cholesterol is not bad for you, it's healthier, ie the paleo keto diet.
If you think meat is healthy you should watch the documentary What The Health, eye opening
I think when she says we we should take it to mean people collectively, as a whole, roughly. I don't think it means you or I, her family etc. Seems obvious, really
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Really wonderful podcast. Thank you so much.
Raises a couple questions for me.
1 is solid sunflower marg ok for use in baking ie does that form retain the beneficial effects of the liquid oil form?
2. How does adding seeds to our diet compare with using oil? Can our bodies access the beneficial effects in the same way, or does most of it pass through our gut and out the other end?
Not an expert here but ... I stopped using all margarines some decades ago when I inspected the nutrition label on a margarine described as made from olive oil. About 25% of the fats in that margarine were saturated compared to about 15% in unprocessed olive oil.
My conclusion was that to change a liquid oil into a solid at room temperature requires the changing of some unsaturated fats into saturated ones. I do NOT want that.
Re seeds vs oils. Without a doubt, seeds are more healthy than oils because they contain protein, carbohydrates, fibre, and more of the healthy other chemicals (phytosterols, polyphenols, and antioxidants which non-scientists can use interchangeably). The main point of this podcast is that seed oils are less beneficial than seeds but not, as many on the internet claim, unhealthy.
Re pass straight through. If you look at the labels of whole peanuts and peanut butter (made with one ingredient) they would appear to be identical. They are not. The body will absorb less of everything from whole peanuts than from peanut butter. The peanuts will be feeding more of the bacteria in your gut which would make them slightly better for you. You may safely ignore this unless you're trying to restrict calories to lose weight. Then whole peanuts would be better.
Margarines are hydrogenated oil which means chemicals are added to make unsaturated fat stabilised as solid. Companies usually use olive oil, sunflower seed oil, cannoli oil, etc or other cheap seed oil to make margarines. They tell you it is healthy because the margarines are made with unsaturated fat but they never tell you after all the process & chemicals, margarines are actually kind of trans-fat. How can it be healthy?
@@rossmurray6849 You can try to crush peanuts and make you peanut butter. You will find it is not spreadable and does not smell like peanut butter from supermarket. The companies added lots of additives and oils like sunflower oil. Actually, you are not consuming peanuts from peanut butter but heaps of chemicals.
@@feelimpianist Apparently you don't trust ingredient lists on food packaging where you live. I'm not going to argue with you about that..
Margarine is horrible for you, Use butter. And best oil is olive oil.
They touched on coconut oil ,but she semed to brush it aside as a no-go.including butter and red meat .And while she approves soya oil,would that include the dodgy and untested GM soya i oil -so prevalent in the US ? A Zoe discussion on GM would be interesting
Coconut oil makes me very ill, so does palm oil. Turns out both of them are known to affect inflammation in the body. As someone who suffers from an inflammatory illness, it made sense why I struggled to process it. I eat mainly olive oil, avocado n a bit of butter. I do sometimes cook with canola, but only in very small amounts. I do not react to these types of fats, just animal fats found in beef, pork and lamb, and Coconut n Palm oil.
The prevailing opinion of the majority of the medical profession which is not hunting for clicks on the internet is that the MOST important thing for whether fats are healthy is how much of the total fats are saturated. You want that to be low. Saturated fats increase risks of heart disease and unsaturated, both mono- and poly lower risks of heart disease.
So ranking from worse to best by percentage saturated is: palm oil 90%, coconut oil 80%, butter (all dairy) 60%, cocoa butter 60%, pork fat 50%, lamb 45%, beef 40%, chicken 35%, and then every other plant is less than 20%.
Then you should prefer to have as many traces of antioxidants (Vitamin E and phytosterols) as possible. All animal foods have none of those. Cold pressed and extra virgin plant oils will have most. This podcast suggests the losses of beneficial micronutrients while manufacturing more highly processed seed oils is less than most people would expect. But less of a good thing does not mean what is left is bad.
Personally I do not fear GM soya beans but if I did I would be worried about tofu, tempeh, and other foods containing soya beans - but not oil extracted from those beans. The oil contains virtually no genetic material, DNA or RNA, so the GM may change the beans but not the oil extracted from beans.
I don't tolerate coconut oil very well
@@rossmurray6849 Read up on Ancel Keys and HOW he vilified animal fat and dairy products - and WHY he did that. Which info did he refuse to look at and why.
I've waited for this!
What about new or growing evidence that cholesterol should not be being lowered??
Absolutely. Cholesterol is vital for life & especially brain health. I was put on statins 6 years ago as my cholesterol was high - it always has been. I couldn’t tolerate the side effects so came off them after a few months. Since then I’ve learned so much about cholesterol & how it actually isn’t great to be lowering it especially as you get older. I’m mid 60’s & would never touch them again in any circumstance. And when will they stop using the term “bad cholesterol” , it does my head in!
I feel that she is working from old info/ studies whilst minimising some of her own facts and ignoring new potential and interesting findings. I'm afraid that there seemed to be so many gaps that I didn't find her at all compelling. If someone uses critical thinking, this feels like gaslighting!
She hasn't caught up with that yet. Truly incredible.
"We always want to maximise production don't we in the food industry"
Of course & we like high crop yields with GM seeds & toxic glyophosate herbicide.
Say no more. Money, money, money. Forget Nutritional value, health & safety
I think people need to chill out a bit. If you are trying to determine whether or not you should eat a product on a regular basis by the text on the packaging, you need to start eating real food again. She is simply trying to undemonize seed oil and subsequently the omega 6 fatty acids in which you need to survive. I too have greatly reduced my seed oil intake, but that is because I stopped eating high-margin, low-quality, dead food. I also fell into the trap of demonizing seed oil, but I don't find myself avoiding it anymore, because 80% of my diet is whole fruits, vegetables, unprocessed meats, nuts/seeds, beans/legumes and hard cheeses. Guess what? I have my own success story of losing a lot of weight and generally feel better including mental health. If I suddenly cannot obtain an apple or pepper without it being injected with seed oil, then yeah I am grabbing my pitchfork!
The thing is, it is nearly impossible NOT to get enough omega-6. Even the foods that are low in it have more than enough. They are only called "essential" because the body does not make polyunsaturated fats from other fats, so it is essential that they are in the diet, but it is not essential to get more than exists already in any whole food diet.
"Essential" is a technical term; not a directive that it is "essential" to find concentrated sources of it!
@@johnsheehy4192exactly ... metabolised omega 6 causes a huge amount of oxidative stress. It's a structural/functional fat.
The important thing is the ratio between omega 6 and omega 3. Ideally it should be 1:1. I don't know the stats for the UK but in the US it's like 25:1.
Furthermore Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory. Canola/rapeseed oil is being closely monitored in Europe for a reason.
Personally I only use extra virgin olive oil and extra virgin avocado oil.
It would be great if Zoe made a video called: "Saturated fats are not evil" - I would very much watch it.
Speaking of evil fats: trans fats are the ones to stay away from.
@@kierlak Most of this is driven by the "animal agriculture is destroying the planet" ideological nonsense, based on the practice of feeding ruminants annual-crop sillage in depleting soils instead of perrenial grasses and the high-quality soil they build from CO2 and methane.
39:07 - this "RCT" sounds ridiculous.
Surely I'm not understanding properly, but did she study them *_for only one day for each oil type, and they were both seed oils?_*
How about we just eat natural foods we know are good for us rather than stuff that ‘might be ok based on the current evidence’ 😃
Frankly I don’t understand the views expressed in this episode. How can an ultra processed food be acceptable?
I’ve listened to most of the Zoë podcasts and find that often there appears to be contradictions which are difficult to explain between views expressed in different episodes and indeed by different guest speakers. Confusing or what?
However, when margarines vs butter was discussed it transpired the manufacturing processes used in the USA were different and worse to those for the UK, so is this the same for seed oils?
I still think it would helpful for alternative views to be part of the discussion for such matters as fibre and seed oils to gain broader understanding.
Please stop talking about LDLcholesterol as bad cholesterol. This myth has been debunked by researchers who are truly independant. See Ben Bikman's work.
Why would indépendant researchers be more trustworthy than the mainstream ones? They could be misled deluded quacks. Beware of the self proclaimed genius who makes his bread on contrarianism.
People are still unsure, partly because their doctors still give dire warnings about fat.
How are seed oils prepared? "Some are cold pressed, but to maximise the yield, a solvent is used. Then the oil is bleached and deodorised ..." Yeah, right - do we need to continue to watch her? The point is, she might just be right and seed oils may be fine. But are you prepared to gamble your future health and possibly your life on that possibility?
The reality is that over the last 30 years, in the USA, the prevalence of type 2 diabetes has increased from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 11. Other non-infectious diseases and problems such as heart attacks, strokes, liver and kidney issues, obesity and many other medical problems have all increased by hundreds of percent over that time period. Why? What has changed? Non-western countries have not shown the same increases EXCEPT when western diets are adopted by those countries. So, the culprit seems to be our modern diets; the evidence is pretty conclusive. So the next question is how have our diets changed? The answer is we now consume very large quantities of ultra-processed food. Seed oils, artificial thickness, artificial emulsifiers, artificial sweeteners etc. etc. Nothing else has changed. Seed oils, in particular are in everything. If you don't believe me, try to buy a commercial mayonnaise that is made with olive oil, like it used to be made. The olive oil is long gone, replaced by cheaper sunflower oil or similar.
The real experts are in the comment section 🙂
That's really funny! But really a sign of our times, when idiots are considered experts and the real experts are ignored. The comments are no surprise!
@@George-z4d Yay, someone I agree with!
@@George-z4d Enjoy these oils!
I think you’ll find most actual experts do not share her opinion.
@@alisoninchausti1080 Really? So her being a professor and researcher teaching nutrition and medicine at King's College London does not make her an "actual expert"? Come on! Give your head a shake!
How about adding to that list of reasons why seed oils are not good for us is evident in all the photos of our population prior to 1960's. Everyone was slim, flat tummy, not diabetic. Society looking normal. What was introduced? Ghastly breakfast cereals, seed oils, and fast food. Maybe I'm wrong?
I'm almost inclined to think that this may be sponsored by those companies that make seed oils and that there is a level of biased reporting here.
Exactly what I thought 😮
I agree. I'd like to know who funds her studies. Also, Zoe should have mentioned that there are no conflicts with her.
VERY SURPRISING, wow! I hope the other experts in the field will review this.
Very wary of Zoe now.
@@francescapescehughes7854
Feeble minds...
Do some proper research ( evidence based) ...
@@19111959 I have listened to top scientist talk about the omega 3 and 6 ratio and it’s damaging affects and am out on all this sudden change of direction
At the same time she's saying olive oil is "better" ... which means seed oils are sub-optimal *at best*
Will she address:
1) The huge numbers of anectdotes of fair-skinned people who stopped burning in the sun when they removed polyunsaturated oils from their diets? I used to burn in 15 to 20 minutes, myself, and can be in the sun for over an hour now without sunburn?
2)The observation that people living in cultures where there is no polyunsaturated oils added to food don't get the usual diseases from smoking cigarettes at anywhere near the rate that more advanced cultures do?
That's interesting
Too true about burning, I live near the equator but i'm white British and I used to burn like toast 1 hour before sunset with no sunblock on my face, I would go red, now I don't. That was when I ditched the seed oils and switched to beef dripping, butter and ghee pretty much exclusively. I'm so grateful to myself that I did that. My chance of developing skin cancer in the future is greatly reduced just by doing that alone
yes I can attest to that, Before I gave seed oils up I am very fair skinned and used to burn in the sun; now I no longer burn in the sun. My daughter is the same, she no longer burns
*Tell us who sponsors your research please*
I eat very little ultra-processed food. I love to cook at home using fresh, whole ingredients and have the opportunity to choose which form of fat/oil I use which predominantly means EVOO. I keep sunflower, avocado, and sesame oils as well as butter/lard on hand for a few recipes. Because my diet is 10% or less ultra processed, I don’t worry much about the occasional other fat/oil I might encounter. For those who are sensitive to particular ingredients, by all means avoid them in your diet. I appreciate having the information provided in the podcast. Thank you!
Her confidence belies her ignorance of some important issues seemingly. 4HNE is a bi product of heating omega 6 oils and is known to affect the p53 tumour suppressor gene. There is a paper in Nature to this effect. What is disturbing is her confidence and lack of humility when it comes to her understanding. To brush off criticism as coming from the “haters” is a signal to me that she is not capable of understanding the limits of her own knowledge. A very unimpressive person.
Is mustard seed oil safe to cook with?
Thank you for sharing this information with us 😊
No, it should not be heated
@@Boababa-fn3mr oops!😵
THAT SHOWS PERFECTLY HOW SOMETHING TOXIC CAN TURNED TO BE HEALTHY BY THE POWER OF MONEY.
Ever heard of maniok and potatoes? Toxic raw but being processed for centuries to be edible.