I think people need to chill out a bit. If you are trying to determine whether or not you should eat a product on a regular basis by the text on the packaging, you need to start eating real food again. She is simply trying to undemonize seed oil and subsequently the omega 6 fatty acids in which you need to survive. I too have greatly reduced my seed oil intake, but that is because I stopped eating high-margin, low-quality, dead food. I also fell into the trap of demonizing seed oil, but I don't find myself avoiding it anymore, because 80% of my diet is whole fruits, vegetables, unprocessed meats, nuts/seeds, beans/legumes and hard cheeses. Guess what? I have my own success story of losing a lot of weight and generally feel better including mental health. If I suddenly cannot obtain an apple or pepper without it being injected with seed oil, then yeah I am grabbing my pitchfork!
The thing is, it is nearly impossible NOT to get enough omega-6. Even the foods that are low in it have more than enough. They are only called "essential" because the body does not make polyunsaturated fats from other fats, so it is essential that they are in the diet, but it is not essential to get more than exists already in any whole food diet. "Essential" is a technical term; not a directive that it is "essential" to find concentrated sources of it!
The important thing is the ratio between omega 6 and omega 3. Ideally it should be 1:1. I don't know the stats for the UK but in the US it's like 25:1. Furthermore Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory. Canola/rapeseed oil is being closely monitored in Europe for a reason. Personally I only use extra virgin olive oil and extra virgin avocado oil. It would be great if Zoe made a video called: "Saturated fats are not evil" - I would very much watch it. Speaking of evil fats: trans fats are the ones to stay away from.
I've been consuming seed oil and processed food with seed oil my entire life and I've felt like crap for most of it. It wasn't until I stopped consuming seed oil when I started to lose weight and felt great like I did when I was a child. You don't have to "listen to the experts" to find out if seed oils are bad or not. Just do your own experiment, consume seed oils for a month and then do a month without seed oils. I'm 100% certain you will notice a difference. I have no clue why someone would be pro seed oil nowadays without receiving some kind of financial incentives.
Yeah, of course it was because of the seed oils and not because of the crap which happens to have seed oils in it. I don't get how you people are able to breathe
@@AlphaHoneyBadgerit’s the industrial processing of food stuffs and seed oils. Those seed oils that are not cold pressed are ultra processed by heat, and chemicals as she describes. Don’t forget someone is making money out of Zoe, or they’d left it be available FOC……
Industrially extracted oils, like Mechanically Recovered Meat… are highly profitable, and recover every last bit of product, but as someone very familiar with industrial chemical extraction using pentane and hexane, the extraction process is SO efficient, that it will ALSO extract toxic compounds that would otherwise have been left behind, and under natural circumstances, humans with their little teeth and single stomach, would never be able to extract by chewing, nor would they ingest them in any toxic quantities, EXCEPT where industrial extraction was involved. The whole deodorisation and bleaching process is to hide these undesirable chemicals that our noses would detect is a symptom of the problem she is dismissing without a full molecular spectra of what has been extracted, reliant on what the truthful industrial producers tell her. Is she that naive? I don’t hate her, she raises good points on omega 3 and clotting etc, but I expected much more from a Zoe guest. This video is a disgrace to the scientific process, and just as much involved in misinformation as the youtubers mistaking correlation for causation. It should have had peer review before publication by the likes of Dr Robert Lustig, Dr Nadir Ali, Dr Aseem Malhotra, people who put good science above all else. Also talks about LDL “BAD” cholesterol, another myth put out by the multibillion dollar statin industry. Your brain is largely made of cholesterol, as are all your nerves, you need LDL for your cell membranes, you need it to fight infection…! Now ZOE could comment on LDL, the other good cholesterol! Here are some interesting videos from a cardiologist (there are others, a Texas cardiologist Dr Jamnadas on youtube also puts out his teaching hospital videos, and worth inviting) . ua-cam.com/video/Y_JcZSRSBHg/v-deo.html canola ua-cam.com/video/_xJtlQH8Q88/v-deo.html ldl the other good cholesterol ua-cam.com/video/iOwfhFWUwhE/v-deo.html I’d rather here from a cardiologist who has performed stents and determined that they will not prevent future adverse events, and if LDL is the cause of the fire and not the retardant foam… why do plaques only appear in arteries… the high pressure system, not in veins, but they do appear in veins grafted into arteries.
One of the most eye opening experiences is when you dig into the terrible state of most food products on the shelves of supermarkets. Shopping becomes interesting when you realise that about 80% of the stock in a typical outlet isn't good.
Every single reason you have given for using these oils has hardened my desire to never have them in my diet except in their natural form of nuts and seeds.
Yes. I am not sure whey we cannot just eat the real food nuts and seeds without heating them. I wonder if this person works for the industry and it is not being disclosed here. Why not use olive oil? I am not comfortable with these oils and they produce volatile compounds when heated. I would not feed this to my family iether. It sounds like she is comfortable eating them and feeding her family in this way. There is a lot of content here that I do not agree with on the ZOE channel. She does not address the issue of volatile compounds and it is possible on the limited measures the indsutry looks at the oils look fine. No one is going to create a study to look at things that would make their product look bad or inferior. The measures in the study are critical to look at and they may not be measuring the bigger picture most people are concerned about. Something might not kill you today but it could seed cancer over the long haul and this is not part of the study even if it is a randomized control trial.
@@SL-1985 In almost every podcast Zoe promotes eating real food & olive oil. This video is aimed at the misinformation that these wellness-evangelical (Often LCHF) grifters spread. Personally I'm sticking to olive oil and real food. Regardless this is very interesting & informative. Maybe I'll cook (high heat) with certain seed oils to save $ after hearing this.
I couldn't quite make up my mind about Zoe until now. This video made me look a bit deeper at Zoe. Dr Berry is their head of nutrition science research. Zoe seem to be still deeply enmeshed in the decades old 'saturated fat bad, cholesterol bad' falacy. I've unsubscribed
Dr Brad Stannfield, also a VERY reliable source of info.,as he only goes by randomised controlled trials and meta analyses ( always evidence based approach) also made a video a day ago in favour of seed oils and disputing the majority negative view of seed oils..so in agreement eith Sarah. If not 'evidence based', it's just a personal opinion and no good to anyone.
There is also plenty of evidence that omega 6 oils are inflamatory and tend to out balance our requirement for omega 3. In general though, PUFAs are unstable and should be avoided for cooking. Sadly vegetable oils are used to deep fry.
@@chazwymani will bite. Give the pmids of the RCT studies in humans (not mice, not monkeys, not rabbits etc) showing seed oils /Linoleic Acid/Omega6 increased inflammation. Right here right now, show it. And thenni will show you the meta analyses which prove that linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory markers in humans.
@@louisejackson1968 It depends on the pressure applied by the press. A high powered industrial cold press to max profits will get the toxic compounds out together with your oil. That’s why she was roughly right when saying there was little difference. Eating and crushing with your teeth, or extracting in a little family business with a hand crank would be ok. Think about why French wine growers once produced the best wines by crushing grapes with feet, to avoid excess pressure bringing out the undesirable compounds. The same principle applies, and varies on the seed/plant.
@@budlaumer you didn't specify in your comment, you can't cherry pick now. And, please, tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Most supermarket brands of oils go through terrible 15 processes: chemical extraction, chemical treatment, chemical removal of odor, bleaching, extraction with very high heat…. You just mentioned them all, how is these oils (highly processed) still healthy?!? Can you think of any food that can remain healthy after so many chemical processes?!? 😂😂😂 what a joke
@@rossmurray6849 Sarah Berry advocates the out of date view that saturated fats are a cause of CVD. I have posted links to some very recent large meta analyses debunking these ideas but they are always deleted on Zoe.
I researched today and Zoe’s new investors are all venture capital companies that also have investments in processed food companies. Some making processed meat free products and diary free cheese so should Zoe now declare that they have a conflict of interest ?
@@DomDeDom Gotta research the brand. Costco has a couple that have been tested to be clean, for example. But sticking to animal-fats are much safer: butter, bacon grease, lard, tallow. Much healthier and safer. 💖
I've not been convinced whatsoever by this video that seed oils are good for us Haven't bought a bottle of supermarket vegetable oil in years. Almost never eat deep fried food. Eat ultra processed junk food once in a while for a treat Eat moderate amounts of unprocessed nuts and seeds for omega 6 Eat plenty of butter, meat and eggs Have extra virgin olive oil on salads Eat plenty of sardines and mackerel for omega 3 I feel good on all that and I ain't going to change
Hm. So. I've watched a video on seed oils being prepared and it was pretty gross. Then we had Tim telling us to avoid ultra processed food, including seed oils. Personally I got a whole lot better health when I ditched the seed oils and my LDL is very low with an excellent ratio with the HDL. The science seems a bit mixed when you google and we've been hearing 'experts' for years who end up apologising and getting it wrong (hello eggs, butter etc). On balance I think I'll continue avoiding seed oils thanks.
Shocking, that she added repeated heating makes no difference to health out comes, yet added that one Should try to use fresh oil....they are hiding something. Who Is being fooled????
It's not the oil. It's the oxidized oil. And if you think the oil hasn't oxidized a bit after spending months sitting around waiting to be sold, well...
@@sauercarey that argument doesn’t hold up. Oxidisation in the form of oxidised LDL isn’t the cause of health problems but rather Apob carrying LDL levels in the bloodstream. If anything seed oils with linoleic acid have shown health benefits if anything.
It’s interesting how many people in the comments say they quit seed oils, lost weight and felt better. I think that says more than Sarahs 10 day study and it’s affect on bio markers.
Yes. Her study seemed rather too weak to be worthy of mention. Healthy young students as her “guinea pigs” probably (as is often the case!) Not exactly a typical population study.
I tried eating food prepared with seed oils for a month and was shocked that I had gained a significant amount of weight! Since then, I started cooking my own food by avoiding seed oils and felt much better and stop gaining weight.
So you started cooking your own food, which means you could regulate how much fat was in your food and you stopped gaining weight. The law of thermodinamics is truly incredible. Has nothing to do with the type of oil you use, though.
@@19111959 I have listened to top scientist talk about the omega 3 and 6 ratio and it’s damaging affects and am out on all this sudden change of direction
Just my opinion, but I’d keep an open mind. Science is not static - other acknowledged beliefs have changed over time. If one is old enough to have been told that margarine was a far healthier option over butter, or that a high-carb diet is healthy, or that a calorie is a calorie, these once strong held beliefs might be kept in mind when being proposed with statements that conflict with current dogma. This isn’t the first time that I’ve heard a data-based opinion refute the current beliefs about seed oils. However, the study of incorporating 10-day old frying oil into muffins and measuring the outcomes was a first for me. I am extremely sensitive to rancidity, so I probably would have been dropped from such a study, but the results on the health markers fly in the face of what I personally would have considered to be the most likely outcome. It’s only one small scale study but… I think what is more of a concern in our diet r.e. seed oils are the consequences from the other factors that the prevalence of any oils are having in society’s health, e.g., Advanced Glycation End-products, caloric density, serving sizes and eating patterns/habits. I’m still not the biggest fan of seed oils - I will choose another option if I can - but I don’t have to feel horrified if I consume it. While some nutrition tribes would be appalled, data is beginning to suggest otherwise.
Her evidence for why there is no health risk to heating seed oils (39:10) is mad. "I actually did a randomised control trial many years ago that I’d actually forgotten about until I was thinking about this podcast yesterday and this is a study that I conducted at Kings with 19 healthy males”. How can you extrapolate from such a narrow study over a few days to say that there is no risk!
Exactly. No one is claiming that there is an instant toxic effect. If there were, there wouldn't be any debate. As an analogy, people who are 100 pounds heavier at age 60 than they were at 20 only needed to store a net 24 calories a day, which would be undetectable in a short study, which would show "no statistical significance in weight gain". PUFAs, once stored in fat cells, are reluctant to be released for fuel (and the mitochondria go on a slowdown when they are the main fuel), having a half-life of about 4 years. If a person manages to never get overweight with a high-PUFA diet, then perhaps they have avoided most of its problems, but anyone who is storing PUFA in large amounts is going to have an EXTRA hard time losing weight.
Oooo most contentious podcast yet. May I suggest getting on a “no seed oil advocate” and having a bit of a debate? Max Lugavere perhaps? It could bring back some trust…??
So many anti-seed oil converts in these comments giving anecdotal evidence and avoiding anything that counteracts their view. It’s as if it’s some sort of religion.
its because of their own experience caroline, and the evidence is far from anecdotal, I suggest you watch Dr, Paul Mason, Suneel Dhand, Rangan chattergee and many more.
@@LovelyCupOfTeahowever Nutrition made Simple UA-cam channel and Professor Walter Willett actually says seed oils are not harmful like we thought they were and randomised control trials suggest this.
I refer you back to the people I have above. I had a easeophillioc esophagitis for 16 years which stopped within weeks of stopping consuming seed oils. An illness the NHS wanted to prescribe be ppis for life to deal with. You will realise if you read and watch the people above how wrong seed oils being OK is.
i would recommend animal fat instead, olive oil still has moderate amounts of polyunsaturated fat (20%) and it is like honey in that it is one of the most doctored foods in the world. You will also have more nutrients in animal fat especially if it's a good source like grass fed beef dripping or butter or even ghee
Dr Sarah Berry’s whole demeanour is different on this podcast as compared to other much earlier ones where she was very passionate about the topics she was discussing. I do not trust the info she is providing in this podcast, something else is going on, maybe pressure from the whole hydrogenated oil industry is sabotaging her and others. Who knows?🤷🏽♀️
Interesting. It would be interesting to see you interview Dr Catherine Shanahan MD, author of Dark Calories: How Vegetable Oils Destroy Our Health and How We Can Get It Back. The declining health in the industrialized world cardinally tracks with seed oil consumption. Correlation is not causation but her arguments go well beyond that. There is so much new science that no individual or group can keep up with it so it would be informative to see her and Professor Berry discuss it.
@@jschreiber6461 No better way to expose hyperbole than debate. Another factor that Professor Berry didn't mention was that most Canola and other seed oils in the US are contaminated with glyphosate and pesticides that are banned in Europe.
@@nowayjose6700 Yup, or that using solvent extraction (pentane or hexane) not only extracts all the oil, but also all the fat soluble toxic compounds that can then accumulate in your fatty tissues, poisoning you over years. It’s one of the reasons why fat cells contribute to cancer.
Stop watching when she said "saturated fat is bad but polyusaturated is good" My argument is, since trans-fat is bad. polyunsaturated fat has high tendency to change to trans-fat, saturated fat has not.
Do you know what drives me insane? Y’all telling me to put something in my body which was produced in an unnatural and toxic process. Talk about misinformation. Y’all are crazy. Since when is eating an oil that was processed with lethal chemicals healthy. Zoe; y’all just lost the plot.
Before unsubscribing, I went to see the studies mentioned in the show notes - maybe there was science behind the claims, I thought. Nope, not at all. So, unfortunately, I will unsubscribe and carry my disappointment with me.
@@samburrell3288 yep also take into account coke a cola is one of the biggest funders of studies they muddy the waters on purpose so people find it hard to work out which science studies to follow
@@Bargeonin Just eat Whole foods, no alcohol and smoking, move enough, don't stress about everything, drink water and limit "useless" calories like oil to a necessary minimum. There are good videos on how to cook with less fat/oil. That's it. Everyone who "made it" will actually tell you something along those lines.
@@Bargeonin I'm a Clinical Pharmacist and I say ONLY go by proper randomised controlled clinical studies.. watch latest video by Dr Brad Stanfield. Nough said.
@@Bargeonin think for your self , my rule of thumb is use real whole foods and if a food has to go through some crazy process that cant be done in my kitchen i wont be eating it, also look at how much healthier people looked before they started the war on fat and everything had to be low fat , people used to consume way more fat and they used to be way slimmer look at pics of the beach on the 70 vs now
I have thrown away every other oil and only use Coconut and Avocado oil. Anyway, I can't watch any more of this rubbish. Thank God she is not my teacher. The things people will say and do for money.
Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, or what the motivation is? A few weeks ago you had Tim giving another wonderful talk about the wonders of olive oil and now you have Sarah on her own with no counter argument spruiking that seed oils are not that bad. They are the foundation of so many health issues and most corporations are quite happy to keep poisoning consumers for the sake of the bottom line.
This interview barely skimmed on people with high cholesterol, but what I find unforgivable is completely ignoring people with fatty liver (which is the vast majority of the western world). Nevermind diabetics!!! So this episode just serves as a reminder that studies are only done on really healthy people, as any health issues/co-morbidities are considered disqualifying for the purposes of studies. Meanwhile I'm going to continue to suggest to everyone outside of their 20s years of age to stay well away from seed oils until these so-called studies include the people they're supposed to help. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the healthy people don't need to be concerned with seed oils themselves, but that's always a small percentage of the adult population unfortunately.
Lol 🤣 if you look at the comments to what Sarah is saying they don't believe what she is saying. We don't need to have seed oil's to be healthy and if we don't have them we won't be un healthy.
Didn't mention that there are 2 omega 3. 3 and 3s from oily fish and the omega 3 from veg, ala conversion rate is very poor. The oils degrade over time, oxidation at room temperature was not discussed.
What we got was 1. Seed oils are great because they have so much Omega6! 2. As long as you have enough Omega3, it doesn't matter how much Omega6 you have ...
That's really funny! But really a sign of our times, when idiots are considered experts and the real experts are ignored. The comments are no surprise!
@@alisoninchausti1080 Really? So her being a professor and researcher teaching nutrition and medicine at King's College London does not make her an "actual expert"? Come on! Give your head a shake!
I wonder who funds the research? I stopped using seed oils 3 years ago & now use extra virgin olive oil & butter from grass fed cows. The videos I’ve seen of how these seed oils are produced is gross. No thanks. And the continuing use of the term “bad cholesterol” does my head in.
@@13Pandam The 2019 Kings College research into IE fats was funded by among others, Coca-Cola,nabisco, PepsiCo, Sainsbury’s, M&S, DuPont, mondelez, Nabim, Nestle and Unilever.
@@jgreen9361 Aside from the fact that it's a fruit, it is 'cold-pressed' and unprocessed. Unfortunately, those who live in the US have a harder time getting unpolluted EVOO since it is often bogus.
It's insane you could not make it up! I think we need to look at who owns zoe fully and who funds Mrs berry's research. I would not be surprised if found some conflicts of interest here...
What does she mean, when she says we eat more palm oil than anything else?! If you avoid processed foods, then you don't eat any! Butter, ghee, even lard is better than processed seed oils. Your brain needs fats, particularly medium chain triglycerides found in coconut oil. Feed your brain! Always go for cold pressed olive oil or avocado oil. Why would you consume an oil that has a solvent added to extract more oil? Sarah said her views might change in 5 years when more studies come out. I'd rather avoid the heavily processed oils now and stick to the natural method of extraction. Also, meat and saturated fat and cholesterol is not bad for you, it's healthier, ie the paleo keto diet.
Some people might say that Sarah Berry must have received a handsome fee for this video, I think many of the subscribers are due an explanation, no facts were actually provided as to why now seed oils are considered good now. According to Sarah Berry she is sick of seed oils being demonised. There have been many eminent people that have been advising us to the contrary. If we are to take Zoe seriously an explanation needs to be forthcoming. Depending on what explanation is offered, currently I am seriously considering unsubscribing from Zoe UA-cam.
My wife and I both signed up for the Zoe programme last year. We have digested some really great information and advise from the podcasts but we believe this has damaged Zoe’s credibility
Absolutely. This is horrific information. You shouldn't need to pay for any nutritional plan or advice though, there's so many great books and or podcasters I can recommend that will do it for free and much better than ZOE
THEY ARE EVERYWHERE---AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM! I Wonder how much was she paid by Crisco, and the other oil brands. I dare her to Ingest these oils every single day, and doument it. That is when she will have some credibility.
@@DerekLaugann Do you understand the difference between partially and fully hydrogenated? Or oil vs shortening? Crisco is a brand that sells both vegetable oil and shortening. She was referring to the Crisco with fully hydrogenated palm oil (saturated fat) which is a shortening, not an oil. It is a solid at room temperature. It's used as a substitute for lard or tallow, which were also used for lubrication of machinery. Crisco contains 29% saturated fat (mostly from hydrogenated palm oil). Lard contains 39% saturated fat. Tallow contains 50% saturated fat. Crisco has zero trans fat according to the USDA while tallow has between 5 and 7% trans fat. Yes, cattle make trans fats naturally.
Wanted to add, I can tell when seed oils are used vs non. I was given an olive and it tasted gross. Turns out it had seed oil in the jar. It makes my stomach churn in a sour way no matter what product. So no thank you
Is this a comedy channel or a nutrition channel? This is so bad it's actually funny. 'We are eating more seed oils now than we ever have before' well that's correct, and we're sicker now than we've ever been before, see the problem? In the 1960's in the UK overall obesity was 1-2%, now it is 25-26%. We had much less seed oils then and much more animal fat then, in contrast to now. Allow me to debunk 1) Yes omega-6 polyunsaturated fat is essential but you can get them in pretty much any food including all animal food, the issue with the seed oils is the EXCESS amounts of PUFAS of which seed oils are very high in 30-75% depending on which type you use VS grass fed beef dripping or butter which contains 1.5% PUFAS. 2) Seed oils will oxidise your LDL and vastly increase your chance of heart disease and cancer 3) Seed oils were introduced in America in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Heart disease increased 60% in America between 1907 to 1936. Cancer increased 90% from 1907 to 1936. 4) Sugar consumption peaked in Japan in 1988 but cancer rates have continued to increase since, along with seed oil consumption 5) All of the vitamins found in seed oils can also be obtained in all animal fats, with the benefit of being more bioavailable than their seed oil counterparts. 6) Seed oils are highly refined, oxidised and deodorised. The reason they do not taste of anything is because they're deodorised, if they weren't the taste would be vile and unpalatable. 7) They are in almost all processed foods which Sarah quite rightly acknowledges and we know processed foods or UPFs are very bad for us as ZOE again quite rightly note, but apparently seed oils are the 'good, heart healthy' bit of the junk food, ok then. 8) Personal perspective, after cutting out all seed oils as far as possible and even quitting mayonnaise which is basically a jar of seed oils, my skin has improved so much, I live near the equator and my skin used to be so sensitive to sunburn, now it is much more resistant and takes much more to go red, this alone will greatly reduce my chance of developing skin cancer (and no I did not change the type of sunblock I use, this is with and without sunblock, so they're no other variables) The cognitive dissonance here is quite astonishing, you know it's bad when you can learn more from a comment like mine than you can from the actual hour long video itself. Keep enjoying your seed oils Sarah, i'll keep enjoying my beef dripping, butter and ghee, I know my food will be tasting better than yours on the strength of that too, which is another added benefit and bonus.
@@CraigChristie-bv2bt You're most welcome. If I can help just one person like your good self then it's worth it. If you have anymore questions then i'd be happy to help
Would love a follow-up panel interview with Sarah, Dr. Casey Means of Good Energy, & Chris van Tulleken of Ultra Processed People (all whom have been guests on Zoe).
And Dr Ken Berry and Dr Anthony Chaffee and Dr Paul Mason and Dr Zoe Harcombe for starters about the importance of eating animal foods and saturated fats, definitely not seed oils, and especially Dr Malcolm Kendrick about how the higher the LDL cholesterol the longer the life. Sarah Berry sounds like someone from decades ago before we did research on these topics. ZOE is a total scam, blind to current investigations of science. And we can do without conclusions based on a few people under Sarah Berry. Really incredible.
Why promote ultra-processed / ultra-refined oils Zoe? Heart disease timeline strongly correlates with smoking and vegetable oil. not with saturated fat that is more stable and hardly oxidizes.
I'm really disappointed in Zoe. This expert is never really clear in explaining things to the public. She just said in the US the seed oil we use the most is soybean oil. I don't know a soul who has a bottle of soybean oil. Olive? Sure Avocado? Maybe. Soybean oil however is used in highly processed food. The worst junk you can find. So yeah, in the US, if you want a diet of ultra-highly processed food, you'll find soybean oil.
So all processed food is bad for you? Also, please define ultra processed? It’s a grey area term that hasn’t been completely defined. I would say that processed food is not always unhealthy and natural food is not always healthy or the most healthy it can be. For example, eating raw cabbage is good but eating sauerkraut that is processed using fermentation is a healthier way of including cabbage in your diet.
Dr. Sarah Berry has a fundamental different view of saturated fats and seed oil products like margarine and their effects on the body than Dr. Tim Spector in his book 'Spoon Fed'. How can this channel continue to ignore these discrepancies and allow 2 opposed views to be aired as though they are logically consistent?
I have a question. I get correlation is not causation but isn't the same true for positive outcomes. For example when observing that seed oil consumption is associated to good health outcomes is that Randomized controlled studies in general or just association. Because there can be a "healthy subject" bias here as well. For example someone listening to ZOE and ingesting seed oils may become healthier but the average ZOE viewer is probably a healthy conscious person anyway (eating well, exercise etc.) Furthermore, until we find seed oils are the fountain of youth isn't it more prudent (out of abundance of caution) to avoid them and use say olive oil while experts still disagree? I mean seed oil is not an essential nutrient right?
I thought this podcast was giving opinions based on results of RCTs and epidemiological studies. It also seemed clear that sticking to extra virgin olive oil is an ideal option for those who can afford it. Two caveats to that, I think. One is you may need some other oil with a higher smoke point for some types of cooking. The other is where will you get your Omega-3s, which ARE an essential nutrient. I buy cod liver oil from a pharmacy and one tablespoon per week gives me enough of the long-chain Omega-3s which otherwise the body must make, inefficiently, from ALA. That is MUCH cheaper than the fish oil capsules.
Sarah, the meta-analysis of studies with polyunsaturated fats improving diabetes and weight are fatally flawed and misinterpreted. The study groups and the control (saturated fat) are both limited to the same amount of calories and carbs. But that’s not real life. Because a calorie is not a calorie if u can’t burn it for fuel. The mitochondria can’t burn the polyunsaturated fats because doing so damages them with oxidative stress, or if they do it slows them down. So the mitochondria burns sugar instead. So in the polyunsaturated fat group the sugar levels and therefore insulin levels of the participants drops more than the saturated fat group, because the mitochondria can quite happily burn the saturated fat. This effect on sugar level in the poly-unsaturated group seems beneficial to you in the study, but in real life this means people eating polyunsaturated fats then crave and eat more sugar in the long run. Which then makes them put on weight in the form of toxic visceral fat. Where as the saturated fat group are satiated and eat less. Studies have shown that if u eat food with seed oils you will eat more. I don’t think anyone argues that that is not the case. Answer that please. Thanks.
That is actually not a good argument for or against fats.because you should have known that if you apply the same logic to eating sugar - basically if you don’t eat too much of it then it’s not bad for you.
Unsubscribed. Final straw, this channel has lost it. Seed oils do more damage to people’s health than any other food and this is beyond forgivable that a supposed health food channel would allow this.
I eat very little ultra-processed food. I love to cook at home using fresh, whole ingredients and have the opportunity to choose which form of fat/oil I use which predominantly means EVOO. I keep sunflower, avocado, and sesame oils as well as butter/lard on hand for a few recipes. Because my diet is 10% or less ultra processed, I don’t worry much about the occasional other fat/oil I might encounter. For those who are sensitive to particular ingredients, by all means avoid them in your diet. I appreciate having the information provided in the podcast. Thank you!
Please stop talking about LDLcholesterol as bad cholesterol. This myth has been debunked by researchers who are truly independant. See Ben Bikman's work.
Yeah, I don't think so sweetie. Who funded your research? Those same companies that make and sell those seed oils!! You AND those Companies think we're stupid. There's a huge chunk of us that do look into things for ourselves.
How can you debunk myths when you are yourself a proponent of the myth that lowering ldl lowers heart disease? No traces of chemicals in seed oils? Are you a spokesperson for the seed oil industry? I will certainly NOT follow your "advice", thank you very much.
How is this helpful except to reduce people's concerns over UPFs and the damage they cause. "I know it's bad for you but I heard the oils are actually healthy so why not" something like that? Terrible message for the public considering the current state of our food.
I don’t need to bring you hate Sarah. It is really helpful to listen to your counter arguments and debunking and listening carefully to the number of caveats you provide which in fact make the argument NOT to consume seed oil even more compelling and this coupled with you being seemingly completely unaware of your own evidence. Or you are fully aware but have some conflict of interest going on here!
In my opinion seed oil cooking oils are ultra processed "food", this is going against Zoe's principles. I was advising my family and friends to get educated on nutrition on Zoe's but this shocks me a bit. Read for instance Robert Lustig's Metabolical, look at Sten Ekberg on cooking oils, look at Chris Knobbe's hypothesis about seed oils, they make a lot more sense.. I think you should do a follow up and tell us why (which researches) you believe you are right.
Check out Sarah Berry’s major research on interesterification of fats and how these modified oils can replace trans-fats in the food industry. Might there be a conflict of interest here?
It warms my heart to see how many people have woken up to the propaganda we've been fed for so long and are no longer accepting this type of advice as normal. Think of it this way: Foods eaten during our entire evolution should be considered safe until PROVEN otherwise (epidemiology studies are not enough to prove they are dangerous). Foods CREATED within the past 150 years should be considered garbage until proven healthy.
Utter BS from ZOE and Sarah Berry MD. Bring on David Unwin MD, Tim Noakes MD, Paul Mason MD, Gary Fettke MD, Ken Berry MD, Nick Norwitz PhD, Ben Bikman PhD, Ford Brewer MD, Chris Knobbe MD, and Sean O'Mara MD, Chris Palmer MD, and Georgia Edes MD
Have you ever wondered why the MD's and phD's of UA-cam are not the same people as the ones doing real science in peer reviwed scientific publications?
I was really interested in what you said in the comment, then you listed a load of you tubers, but included 3 who are persistent liars and ignores of evidence from large scale well organised long term studies. If you are going to convince me, you need to shorten the list to people who have a track record of honest science. Saying, “don’t trust Sarah Berry” but trust these people, is similar to recommending known criminals to guard your house. I am not saying I trust Sarah Berry, but to trust the “eat as much butter as you like and don’t eat veggies” brigade is not going to convince.
I think people need to chill out a bit. If you are trying to determine whether or not you should eat a product on a regular basis by the text on the packaging, you need to start eating real food again. She is simply trying to undemonize seed oil and subsequently the omega 6 fatty acids in which you need to survive. I too have greatly reduced my seed oil intake, but that is because I stopped eating high-margin, low-quality, dead food. I also fell into the trap of demonizing seed oil, but I don't find myself avoiding it anymore, because 80% of my diet is whole fruits, vegetables, unprocessed meats, nuts/seeds, beans/legumes and hard cheeses. Guess what? I have my own success story of losing a lot of weight and generally feel better including mental health. If I suddenly cannot obtain an apple or pepper without it being injected with seed oil, then yeah I am grabbing my pitchfork!
The thing is, it is nearly impossible NOT to get enough omega-6. Even the foods that are low in it have more than enough. They are only called "essential" because the body does not make polyunsaturated fats from other fats, so it is essential that they are in the diet, but it is not essential to get more than exists already in any whole food diet.
"Essential" is a technical term; not a directive that it is "essential" to find concentrated sources of it!
@@johnsheehy4192exactly ... metabolised omega 6 causes a huge amount of oxidative stress. It's a structural/functional fat.
The important thing is the ratio between omega 6 and omega 3. Ideally it should be 1:1. I don't know the stats for the UK but in the US it's like 25:1.
Furthermore Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory. Canola/rapeseed oil is being closely monitored in Europe for a reason.
Personally I only use extra virgin olive oil and extra virgin avocado oil.
It would be great if Zoe made a video called: "Saturated fats are not evil" - I would very much watch it.
Speaking of evil fats: trans fats are the ones to stay away from.
I've been consuming seed oil and processed food with seed oil my entire life and I've felt like crap for most of it. It wasn't until I stopped consuming seed oil when I started to lose weight and felt great like I did when I was a child. You don't have to "listen to the experts" to find out if seed oils are bad or not. Just do your own experiment, consume seed oils for a month and then do a month without seed oils. I'm 100% certain you will notice a difference. I have no clue why someone would be pro seed oil nowadays without receiving some kind of financial incentives.
Yeah, of course it was because of the seed oils and not because of the crap which happens to have seed oils in it. I don't get how you people are able to breathe
@@AlphaHoneyBadgerit’s the industrial processing of food stuffs and seed oils. Those seed oils that are not cold pressed are ultra processed by heat, and chemicals as she describes.
Don’t forget someone is making money out of Zoe, or they’d left it be available FOC……
Seed oils are nasty industrially processed crap. Luckily, you've cut them out of your diet.
Sponsored by Big pharma ?
Industrially extracted oils, like Mechanically Recovered Meat… are highly profitable, and recover every last bit of product, but as someone very familiar with industrial chemical extraction using pentane and hexane, the extraction process is SO efficient, that it will ALSO extract toxic compounds that would otherwise have been left behind, and under natural circumstances, humans with their little teeth and single stomach, would never be able to extract by chewing, nor would they ingest them in any toxic quantities, EXCEPT where industrial extraction was involved. The whole deodorisation and bleaching process is to hide these undesirable chemicals that our noses would detect is a symptom of the problem she is dismissing without a full molecular spectra of what has been extracted, reliant on what the truthful industrial producers tell her. Is she that naive? I don’t hate her, she raises good points on omega 3 and clotting etc, but I expected much more from a Zoe guest.
This video is a disgrace to the scientific process, and just as much involved in misinformation as the youtubers mistaking correlation for causation. It should have had peer review before publication by the likes of Dr Robert Lustig, Dr Nadir Ali, Dr Aseem Malhotra, people who put good science above all else.
Also talks about LDL “BAD” cholesterol, another myth put out by the multibillion dollar statin industry.
Your brain is largely made of cholesterol, as are all your nerves, you need LDL for your cell membranes, you need it to fight infection…!
Now ZOE could comment on LDL, the other good cholesterol!
Here are some interesting videos from a cardiologist (there are others, a Texas cardiologist Dr Jamnadas on youtube also puts out his teaching hospital videos, and worth inviting)
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ua-cam.com/video/Y_JcZSRSBHg/v-deo.html
canola
ua-cam.com/video/_xJtlQH8Q88/v-deo.html
ldl the other good cholesterol
ua-cam.com/video/iOwfhFWUwhE/v-deo.html
I’d rather here from a cardiologist who has performed stents and determined that they will not prevent future adverse events, and if LDL is the cause of the fire and not the retardant foam… why do plaques only appear in arteries… the high pressure system, not in veins, but they do appear in veins grafted into arteries.
One of the most eye opening experiences is when you dig into the terrible state of most food products on the shelves of supermarkets. Shopping becomes interesting when you realise that about 80% of the stock in a typical outlet isn't good.
Every single reason you have given for using these oils has hardened my desire to never have them in my diet except in their natural form of nuts and seeds.
Smart…
Yes. I am not sure whey we cannot just eat the real food nuts and seeds without heating them. I wonder if this person works for the industry and it is not being disclosed here. Why not use olive oil? I am not comfortable with these oils and they produce volatile compounds when heated. I would not feed this to my family iether. It sounds like she is comfortable eating them and feeding her family in this way. There is a lot of content here that I do not agree with on the ZOE channel. She does not address the issue of volatile compounds and it is possible on the limited measures the indsutry looks at the oils look fine. No one is going to create a study to look at things that would make their product look bad or inferior. The measures in the study are critical to look at and they may not be measuring the bigger picture most people are concerned about. Something might not kill you today but it could seed cancer over the long haul and this is not part of the study even if it is a randomized control trial.
@@SL-1985 first look into how rct's are carried out and how they are reviewed, before posting your nonsense please.
@@SL-1985 In almost every podcast Zoe promotes eating real food & olive oil. This video is aimed at the misinformation that these wellness-evangelical (Often LCHF) grifters spread. Personally I'm sticking to olive oil and real food. Regardless this is very interesting & informative. Maybe I'll cook (high heat) with certain seed oils to save $ after hearing this.
@@jschreiber6461 Not
I couldn't quite make up my mind about Zoe until now. This video made me look a bit deeper at Zoe. Dr Berry is their head of nutrition science research. Zoe seem to be still deeply enmeshed in the decades old 'saturated fat bad, cholesterol bad' falacy.
I've unsubscribed
Dr Brad Stannfield, also a VERY reliable source of info.,as he only goes by randomised controlled trials and meta analyses ( always evidence based approach) also made a video a day ago in favour of seed oils and disputing the majority negative view of seed oils..so in agreement eith Sarah.
If not 'evidence based', it's just a personal opinion and no good to anyone.
There is also plenty of evidence that omega 6 oils are inflamatory and tend to out balance our requirement for omega 3. In general though, PUFAs are unstable and should be avoided for cooking. Sadly vegetable oils are used to deep fry.
Lets NOT forget "Publication Bias" .... Also good to remember ,our own MHRA is 86% funded bu Big Pharma !!!
@@chazwymani will bite. Give the pmids of the RCT studies in humans (not mice, not monkeys, not rabbits etc) showing seed oils /Linoleic Acid/Omega6 increased inflammation. Right here right now, show it. And thenni will show you the meta analyses which prove that linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory markers in humans.
@@chazwyman literally debunked in the video
@@colsylvester639 Not debunked, although most people seem to be falling for it. 🤡
I remember Tim saying seeds oils were bad
Where did he say that?
If you want seeds in your diet, just eat the seeds. I think we've heard this before with fruit juice.
Great analogy!
"Don't consume ultra-processed foods" except for seed oils that go through 15 industrial processes to be edible......
Not if organic cold pressed
@@louisejackson1968...and how many of them are???
@@louisejackson1968 It depends on the pressure applied by the press. A high powered industrial cold press to max profits will get the toxic compounds out together with your oil. That’s why she was roughly right when saying there was little difference. Eating and crushing with your teeth, or extracting in a little family business with a hand crank would be ok. Think about why French wine growers once produced the best wines by crushing grapes with feet, to avoid excess pressure bringing out the undesirable compounds. The same principle applies, and varies on the seed/plant.
@@louisejackson1968 So is there a cold pressed version of cotton seed, corn, soybean oils?
@@budlaumer you didn't specify in your comment, you can't cherry pick now. And, please, tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
This video discredited the whole channel for me. Unsubscribed. Bye Zoe!
So you’ll trust unqualified influencers over actual nutrition scientists?
@@awolf913 depends who is paying them
@@freddibnah1830 that’s just conspiracy.
@@awolf913 try and find out, it's not easy
I agree, I’ve lot a certain amount of respect here
Most supermarket brands of oils go through terrible 15 processes: chemical extraction, chemical treatment, chemical removal of odor, bleaching, extraction with very high heat…. You just mentioned them all, how is these oils (highly processed) still healthy?!? Can you think of any food that can remain healthy after so many chemical processes?!? 😂😂😂 what a joke
You are probably in the US, but nonetheless buy cold pressed oil. In fact use EVOO, organic raw coconut oil or beef dripping depending on use.
@@l3eatalphal3eatalpha Are you aware that coconut oil is about 80% saturated and beef dripping about 40% saturated?
@@rossmurray6849 Thank you, yes. All fats solid at lower temperatures are saturated, but it doesn't bother me.
Polyunsaturated oils should never be exposed to heat it destroys the beneficial affects.
@@rossmurray6849 Sarah Berry advocates the out of date view that saturated fats are a cause of CVD. I have posted links to some very recent large meta analyses debunking these ideas but they are always deleted on Zoe.
Giving up seed oils has been one of the best things I have done for better health and an overall sense of well-being.
Totally captured. I'm now questioning all the info on this channel.
only now?
I agree, I find a lot of the info very suspect on this channel
@@AndrewBuckleBookReviews then why on earth are you here? SMH
The food industrie is spending a lot of money for that advertising.
I researched today and Zoe’s new investors are all venture capital companies that also have investments in processed food companies. Some making processed meat free products and diary free cheese so should Zoe now declare that they have a conflict of interest ?
6:21 Her explanation of how the seed oils are processed is enough for me to stick with evoo & avocado oil. Solvents, bleaches & chemicals oh my! 😂😂
How can you be sure your evoo and avocado oil are not adulterated with these toxic oils? 🤷♂️
@@DomDeDom Gotta research the brand. Costco has a couple that have been tested to be clean, for example. But sticking to animal-fats are much safer: butter, bacon grease, lard, tallow. Much healthier and safer. 💖
I've not been convinced whatsoever by this video that seed oils are good for us
Haven't bought a bottle of supermarket vegetable oil in years. Almost never eat deep fried food. Eat ultra processed junk food once in a while for a treat
Eat moderate amounts of unprocessed nuts and seeds for omega 6
Eat plenty of butter, meat and eggs
Have extra virgin olive oil on salads
Eat plenty of sardines and mackerel for omega 3
I feel good on all that and I ain't going to change
Hm. So. I've watched a video on seed oils being prepared and it was pretty gross. Then we had Tim telling us to avoid ultra processed food, including seed oils. Personally I got a whole lot better health when I ditched the seed oils and my LDL is very low with an excellent ratio with the HDL. The science seems a bit mixed when you google and we've been hearing 'experts' for years who end up apologising and getting it wrong (hello eggs, butter etc). On balance I think I'll continue avoiding seed oils thanks.
it’s almost as though the oil industry sent her to get their oils back in peoples diet.. ???
@@naturallysimple4938they've certainly managed to get her on board.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Thanks, but no thanks. Feel free to consume all the seed oils you like Sarah.
Shocking, that she added repeated heating makes no difference to health out comes, yet added that one Should try to use fresh oil....they are hiding something. Who Is being fooled????
And your view is based on what science?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121934
It's not the oil. It's the oxidized oil. And if you think the oil hasn't oxidized a bit after spending months sitting around waiting to be sold, well...
@@sauercarey that argument doesn’t hold up. Oxidisation in the form of oxidised LDL isn’t the cause of health problems but rather Apob carrying LDL levels in the bloodstream. If anything seed oils with linoleic acid have shown health benefits if anything.
It’s interesting how many people in the comments say they quit seed oils, lost weight and felt better. I think that says more than Sarahs 10 day study and it’s affect on bio markers.
It's a horrific video. I debunked it with a long comment if you can find it
Yes. Her study seemed rather too weak to be worthy of mention. Healthy young students as her “guinea pigs” probably (as is often the case!) Not exactly a typical population study.
I tried eating food prepared with seed oils for a month and was shocked that I had gained a significant amount of weight! Since then, I started cooking my own food by avoiding seed oils and felt much better and stop gaining weight.
So you started cooking your own food, which means you could regulate how much fat was in your food and you stopped gaining weight. The law of thermodinamics is truly incredible. Has nothing to do with the type of oil you use, though.
@@shinshintei1739 it's the fat that made you fat
@@AlphaHoneyBadgerLuckily, the OP doesn't care about your opinion.
@@Boababa-fn3mr Guess that happens when people listen to chiropractors pretending to be doctors or if you're part of a brainless cult. :D
Seriously, gaining or losing weight is the one and only thing for which you can say with certainty that all oils are exactly the same!
Very wary of Zoe now.
@@francescapescehughes7854
Feeble minds...
Do some proper research ( evidence based) ...
@@19111959 I have listened to top scientist talk about the omega 3 and 6 ratio and it’s damaging affects and am out on all this sudden change of direction
Seed oils ... straight in the bin. Sticking with butter.
ZOE thinking they have the final word on this is laughable.
I find this difficult to believe. Calls in to question the integrity of this channel
I totally agree! There’s something fishy going on with ZOE I wonder who is the biggest donor to their research is?
You are experiencing a logical fallacy. Confirmation bias is the tendency to believe evidence that confirms your pre-existing opinion or belief.
Just my opinion, but I’d keep an open mind. Science is not static - other acknowledged beliefs have changed over time. If one is old enough to have been told that margarine was a far healthier option over butter, or that a high-carb diet is healthy, or that a calorie is a calorie, these once strong held beliefs might be kept in mind when being proposed with statements that conflict with current dogma.
This isn’t the first time that I’ve heard a data-based opinion refute the current beliefs about seed oils. However, the study of incorporating 10-day old frying oil into muffins and measuring the outcomes was a first for me. I am extremely sensitive to rancidity, so I probably would have been dropped from such a study, but the results on the health markers fly in the face of what I personally would have considered to be the most likely outcome. It’s only one small scale study but…
I think what is more of a concern in our diet r.e. seed oils are the consequences from the other factors that the prevalence of any oils are having in society’s health, e.g., Advanced Glycation End-products, caloric density, serving sizes and eating patterns/habits.
I’m still not the biggest fan of seed oils - I will choose another option if I can - but I don’t have to feel horrified if I consume it. While some nutrition tribes would be appalled, data is beginning to suggest otherwise.
Lol
Prat
Her evidence for why there is no health risk to heating seed oils (39:10) is mad. "I actually did a randomised control trial many years ago
that I’d actually forgotten about until I was thinking about this podcast yesterday and this is a study that I conducted at Kings with 19 healthy males”. How can you extrapolate from such a narrow study over a few days to say that there is no risk!
Exactly. No one is claiming that there is an instant toxic effect. If there were, there wouldn't be any debate. As an analogy, people who are 100 pounds heavier at age 60 than they were at 20 only needed to store a net 24 calories a day, which would be undetectable in a short study, which would show "no statistical significance in weight gain".
PUFAs, once stored in fat cells, are reluctant to be released for fuel (and the mitochondria go on a slowdown when they are the main fuel), having a half-life of about 4 years. If a person manages to never get overweight with a high-PUFA diet, then perhaps they have avoided most of its problems, but anyone who is storing PUFA in large amounts is going to have an EXTRA hard time losing weight.
That's nutrition science for you!
@@auntyjo1792yep, all a scam
Would love to read your study. Feel free to post the reference, or even better, a link!
@@benphillips3734 You want to see a study proving what exactly?
THAT SHOWS PERFECTLY HOW SOMETHING TOXIC CAN TURNED TO BE HEALTHY BY THE POWER OF MONEY.
Oooo most contentious podcast yet. May I suggest getting on a “no seed oil advocate” and having a bit of a debate? Max Lugavere perhaps? It could bring back some trust…??
Seed oils are garbage. Terrible headline.
So many anti-seed oil converts in these comments giving anecdotal evidence and avoiding anything that counteracts their view. It’s as if it’s some sort of religion.
its because of their own experience caroline, and the evidence is far from anecdotal, I suggest you watch Dr, Paul Mason, Suneel Dhand, Rangan chattergee and many more.
@@LovelyCupOfTeahowever Nutrition made Simple UA-cam channel and Professor Walter Willett actually says seed oils are not harmful like we thought they were and randomised control trials suggest this.
I refer you back to the people I have above. I had a easeophillioc esophagitis for 16 years which stopped within weeks of stopping consuming seed oils. An illness the NHS wanted to prescribe be ppis for life to deal with. You will realise if you read and watch the people above how wrong seed oils being OK is.
@@LovelyCupOfTea how do you know it’s definitely the seed oils? Again the evidence just isn’t there.
Lost interest when it became about the producer and not rhe consumer (efficiency). I'll be sticking to olive oil and avoiding "oil industry products"
i would recommend animal fat instead, olive oil still has moderate amounts of polyunsaturated fat (20%) and it is like honey in that it is one of the most doctored foods in the world. You will also have more nutrients in animal fat especially if it's a good source like grass fed beef dripping or butter or even ghee
You just an olive oil expert on your show who said seed oil wasn’t good for you.
Dr Sarah Berry’s whole demeanour is different on this podcast as compared to other much earlier ones where she was very passionate about the topics she was discussing. I do not trust the info she is providing in this podcast, something else is going on, maybe pressure from the whole hydrogenated oil industry is sabotaging her and others. Who knows?🤷🏽♀️
Seed oils are an ultra processed food which we should be avoiding
Tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Have you actually watched the whole video and listened to it? It seems not.
Yeah ur right organic cold pressed seed oils are healthy❤❤
You don't need animal fats
@@kimbertossa3094 do you ever have an original thought in that little brain of yours?
Interesting. It would be interesting to see you interview Dr Catherine Shanahan MD, author of Dark Calories: How Vegetable Oils Destroy Our Health and How We Can Get It Back. The declining health in the industrialized world cardinally tracks with seed oil consumption. Correlation is not causation but her arguments go well beyond that. There is so much new science that no individual or group can keep up with it so it would be informative to see her and Professor Berry discuss it.
Shanahan is interesting but goes off into hyperbolae that dilutes her message. Dr Robert Lustig does a better job
@@jschreiber6461 No better way to expose hyperbole than debate.
Another factor that Professor Berry didn't mention was that most Canola and other seed oils in the US are contaminated with glyphosate and pesticides that are banned in Europe.
@@nowayjose6700 Yup, or that using solvent extraction (pentane or hexane) not only extracts all the oil, but also all the fat soluble toxic compounds that can then accumulate in your fatty tissues, poisoning you over years. It’s one of the reasons why fat cells contribute to cancer.
Unsubscribed
@@bjenkins0344
Great!
Bye bye lol
I've also given up all seed oils 2 months ago, increased by other fat and fat intake and I feel amazing!
Stop watching when she said "saturated fat is bad but polyusaturated is good"
My argument is, since trans-fat is bad. polyunsaturated fat has high tendency to change to trans-fat, saturated fat has not.
How about we just eat natural foods we know are good for us rather than stuff that ‘might be ok based on the current evidence’ 😃
Do you know what drives me insane?
Y’all telling me to put something in my body which was produced in an unnatural and toxic process.
Talk about misinformation.
Y’all are crazy.
Since when is eating an oil that was processed with lethal chemicals healthy.
Zoe; y’all just lost the plot.
Not all things that are natural are good for you and not all unnatural form foods are necessarily bad for you.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Was that the sound of you looking through randomised clinical trials trying to find something which disproved the thesis of the video?
Before unsubscribing, I went to see the studies mentioned in the show notes - maybe there was science behind the claims, I thought. Nope, not at all. So, unfortunately, I will unsubscribe and carry my disappointment with me.
You can do a lot better than follow this channel. It's a veggie channel. 'seed oils=good' 'meat=bad' lol
@@samburrell3288 yep also take into account coke a cola is one of the biggest funders of studies they muddy the waters on purpose so people find it hard to work out which science studies to follow
ZOE: seed oils good, all meat bad. 'Nuff said.
I'm cooking with lard and tallow and will continue to do so.
Which is completely irrelevant to this video.
You are free to jack up your LDLc and ApoB and enjoy the 1 million years bonus years added to life (not). Carnitards are so predictable
@@lauriesmith7517no it isn’t
I see you are trying hard to take years off your life instead of striving for longevity and health. A pity.
@@Kristers_K keep on using franken-oils and you’ll get there long before I do! 😆
The internet is so funny lol. It's become a cult for nutrition. These comments are funny
Seems like everybody if a scientist/Professor these days.
I just don't know what to do. Everyone is so sure of themselves.
@@Bargeonin Just eat Whole foods, no alcohol and smoking, move enough, don't stress about everything, drink water and limit "useless" calories like oil to a necessary minimum. There are good videos on how to cook with less fat/oil. That's it. Everyone who "made it" will actually tell you something along those lines.
@@Bargeonin
I'm a Clinical Pharmacist and I say ONLY go by proper randomised controlled clinical studies..
watch latest video by Dr Brad Stanfield. Nough said.
@@Bargeonin think for your self , my rule of thumb is use real whole foods and if a food has to go through some crazy process that cant be done in my kitchen i wont be eating it, also look at how much healthier people looked before they started the war on fat and everything had to be low fat , people used to consume way more fat and they used to be way slimmer look at pics of the beach on the 70 vs now
This channel started out well and now it's on a precipitous decline
I have thrown away every other oil and only use Coconut and Avocado oil. Anyway, I can't watch any more of this rubbish. Thank God she is not my teacher. The things people will say and do for money.
Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, or what the motivation is? A few weeks ago you had Tim giving another wonderful talk about the wonders of olive oil and now you have Sarah on her own with no counter argument spruiking that seed oils are not that bad. They are the foundation of so many health issues and most corporations are quite happy to keep poisoning consumers for the sake of the bottom line.
This interview barely skimmed on people with high cholesterol, but what I find unforgivable is completely ignoring people with fatty liver (which is the vast majority of the western world). Nevermind diabetics!!!
So this episode just serves as a reminder that studies are only done on really healthy people, as any health issues/co-morbidities are considered disqualifying for the purposes of studies. Meanwhile I'm going to continue to suggest to everyone outside of their 20s years of age to stay well away from seed oils until these so-called studies include the people they're supposed to help. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the healthy people don't need to be concerned with seed oils themselves, but that's always a small percentage of the adult population unfortunately.
Lol 🤣 if you look at the comments to what Sarah is saying they don't believe what she is saying. We don't need to have seed oil's to be healthy and if we don't have them we won't be un healthy.
Zoe never fails to disappoint
with their guests
lot of tiny hats?
Yes, very disappointing
She is not a "guest," she is a founder.
Zoe just another money making business.
I’ll go along with my own observational experience so, no, no, no, thank you.
I'm almost inclined to think that this may be sponsored by those companies that make seed oils and that there is a level of biased reporting here.
Exactly what I thought 😮
I agree. I'd like to know who funds her studies. Also, Zoe should have mentioned that there are no conflicts with her.
Didn't mention that there are 2 omega 3. 3 and 3s from oily fish and the omega 3 from veg, ala conversion rate is very poor. The oils degrade over time, oxidation at room temperature was not discussed.
The conversion rate is very poor if at all.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
@lauriesmith7517 watched it, all waiting to see how restricted what they would say, and it was poor.
What we got was
1. Seed oils are great because they have so much Omega6!
2. As long as you have enough Omega3, it doesn't matter how much Omega6 you have
...
What is she smoking??, this is so misleading.
I appreciate this interview but I to admit that I am more confused than ever.
This is the opposite of what the heart Dr says about polyunsaturated oil.
The real experts are in the comment section 🙂
That's really funny! But really a sign of our times, when idiots are considered experts and the real experts are ignored. The comments are no surprise!
@@George-z4d Yay, someone I agree with!
@@George-z4d Enjoy these oils!
I think you’ll find most actual experts do not share her opinion.
@@alisoninchausti1080 Really? So her being a professor and researcher teaching nutrition and medicine at King's College London does not make her an "actual expert"? Come on! Give your head a shake!
I wonder who funds the research? I stopped using seed oils 3 years ago & now use extra virgin olive oil & butter from grass fed cows. The videos I’ve seen of how these seed oils are produced is gross. No thanks. And the continuing use of the term “bad cholesterol” does my head in.
Agree. Also, it’s worth googling ‘who funds the research at Kings College?’
@@13Pandam The 2019 Kings College research into IE fats was funded by among others, Coca-Cola,nabisco, PepsiCo, Sainsbury’s, M&S, DuPont, mondelez, Nabim, Nestle and Unilever.
@@jgreen9361 surely an olive is a fruit and only the flesh is used, not the pit.
@@jgreen9361 google it!😉
@@jgreen9361 Aside from the fact that it's a fruit, it is 'cold-pressed' and unprocessed. Unfortunately, those who live in the US have a harder time getting unpolluted EVOO since it is often bogus.
Is it the 1st of April?? You forgot to mention how wonderful sugar is 📩📩
It's insane you could not make it up! I think we need to look at who owns zoe fully and who funds Mrs berry's research. I would not be surprised if found some conflicts of interest here...
😂😂😂
She is clearly a shill for processed food industry.
What does she mean, when she says we eat more palm oil than anything else?! If you avoid processed foods, then you don't eat any! Butter, ghee, even lard is better than processed seed oils. Your brain needs fats, particularly medium chain triglycerides found in coconut oil. Feed your brain! Always go for cold pressed olive oil or avocado oil. Why would you consume an oil that has a solvent added to extract more oil? Sarah said her views might change in 5 years when more studies come out. I'd rather avoid the heavily processed oils now and stick to the natural method of extraction. Also, meat and saturated fat and cholesterol is not bad for you, it's healthier, ie the paleo keto diet.
If you think meat is healthy you should watch the documentary What The Health, eye opening
Some people might say that Sarah Berry must have received a handsome fee for this video, I think many of the subscribers are due an explanation, no facts were actually provided as to why now seed oils are considered good now. According to Sarah Berry she is sick of seed oils being demonised. There have been many eminent people that have been advising us to the contrary.
If we are to take Zoe seriously an explanation needs to be forthcoming.
Depending on what explanation is offered, currently I am seriously considering unsubscribing from Zoe UA-cam.
My wife and I both signed up for the Zoe programme last year. We have digested some really great information and advise from the podcasts but we believe this has damaged Zoe’s credibility
Absolutely. This is horrific information. You shouldn't need to pay for any nutritional plan or advice though, there's so many great books and or podcasters I can recommend that will do it for free and much better than ZOE
THEY ARE EVERYWHERE---AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM! I Wonder how much was she paid by Crisco, and the other oil brands. I dare her to Ingest these oils every single day, and doument it. That is when she will have some credibility.
Crisco is hydrogenated, watch the show.
Not even close to the same thing.
@@peanutnutter1 CRISCO was the mother of all seed oils! You know, when they were still using the same oil you like--- FOR FORD CARS !!!!
@@DerekLaugann Do you understand the difference between partially and fully hydrogenated? Or oil vs shortening? Crisco is a brand that sells both vegetable oil and shortening. She was referring to the Crisco with fully hydrogenated palm oil (saturated fat) which is a shortening, not an oil. It is a solid at room temperature. It's used as a substitute for lard or tallow, which were also used for lubrication of machinery. Crisco contains 29% saturated fat (mostly from hydrogenated palm oil). Lard contains 39% saturated fat. Tallow contains 50% saturated fat. Crisco has zero trans fat according to the USDA while tallow has between 5 and 7% trans fat. Yes, cattle make trans fats naturally.
Wanted to add, I can tell when seed oils are used vs non. I was given an olive and it tasted gross. Turns out it had seed oil in the jar. It makes my stomach churn in a sour way no matter what product. So no thank you
This is sooooo disappointing!!!!
While we're at it, why not bring back toxic Crisco to our diet🧐🤦♂
Certainly there is something in Crisco that our bodies can't produce on their own
Is this a comedy channel or a nutrition channel? This is so bad it's actually funny. 'We are eating more seed oils now than we ever have before' well that's correct, and we're sicker now than we've ever been before, see the problem? In the 1960's in the UK overall obesity was 1-2%, now it is 25-26%. We had much less seed oils then and much more animal fat then, in contrast to now.
Allow me to debunk
1) Yes omega-6 polyunsaturated fat is essential but you can get them in pretty much any food including all animal food, the issue with the seed oils is the EXCESS amounts of PUFAS of which seed oils are very high in 30-75% depending on which type you use VS grass fed beef dripping or butter which contains 1.5% PUFAS.
2) Seed oils will oxidise your LDL and vastly increase your chance of heart disease and cancer
3) Seed oils were introduced in America in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Heart disease increased 60% in America between 1907 to 1936. Cancer increased 90% from 1907 to 1936.
4) Sugar consumption peaked in Japan in 1988 but cancer rates have continued to increase since, along with seed oil consumption
5) All of the vitamins found in seed oils can also be obtained in all animal fats, with the benefit of being more bioavailable than their seed oil counterparts.
6) Seed oils are highly refined, oxidised and deodorised. The reason they do not taste of anything is because they're deodorised, if they weren't the taste would be vile and unpalatable.
7) They are in almost all processed foods which Sarah quite rightly acknowledges and we know processed foods or UPFs are very bad for us as ZOE again quite rightly note, but apparently seed oils are the 'good, heart healthy' bit of the junk food, ok then.
8) Personal perspective, after cutting out all seed oils as far as possible and even quitting mayonnaise which is basically a jar of seed oils, my skin has improved so much, I live near the equator and my skin used to be so sensitive to sunburn, now it is much more resistant and takes much more to go red, this alone will greatly reduce my chance of developing skin cancer (and no I did not change the type of sunblock I use, this is with and without sunblock, so they're no other variables)
The cognitive dissonance here is quite astonishing, you know it's bad when you can learn more from a comment like mine than you can from the actual hour long video itself. Keep enjoying your seed oils Sarah, i'll keep enjoying my beef dripping, butter and ghee, I know my food will be tasting better than yours on the strength of that too, which is another added benefit and bonus.
Good debunk, thanks for taking the time to provide a bigger and better perspective.
@@CraigChristie-bv2bt You're most welcome. If I can help just one person like your good self then it's worth it. If you have anymore questions then i'd be happy to help
Would love a follow-up panel interview with Sarah, Dr. Casey Means of Good Energy, & Chris van Tulleken of Ultra Processed People (all whom have been guests on Zoe).
And Dr Ken Berry and Dr Anthony Chaffee and Dr Paul Mason and Dr Zoe Harcombe for starters about the importance of eating animal foods and saturated fats, definitely not seed oils, and especially Dr Malcolm Kendrick about how the higher the LDL cholesterol the longer the life. Sarah Berry sounds like someone from decades ago before we did research on these topics. ZOE is a total scam, blind to current investigations of science. And we can do without conclusions based on a few people under Sarah Berry. Really incredible.
Why promote ultra-processed / ultra-refined oils Zoe?
Heart disease timeline strongly correlates with smoking and vegetable oil.
not with saturated fat that is more stable and hardly oxidizes.
"More stable and hardly oxidizes" actually means it was already as unhealthy as it could become when you first got it.
I'm really disappointed in Zoe. This expert is never really clear in explaining things to the public. She just said in the US the seed oil we use the most is soybean oil. I don't know a soul who has a bottle of soybean oil. Olive? Sure Avocado? Maybe. Soybean oil however is used in highly processed food. The worst junk you can find. So yeah, in the US, if you want a diet of ultra-highly processed food, you'll find soybean oil.
Zoe I think you have lost the plot…
Cook with animal fats, you won’t go wrong. Margarines made from seed oils are one molecule away from plastic.
Lmao. How many sticks of butter do you stuff yourself with daily? 😂😂😂😂 Ketovore lunatics are so predictable
Water is one molecule away from hair bleach
@@EnigmaticLucas That’s correct, both are man- made.
What next, ultra processed food is fine, sponsored by..... Nestle
Right?!
So all processed food is bad for you? Also, please define ultra processed? It’s a grey area term that hasn’t been completely defined. I would say that processed food is not always unhealthy and natural food is not always healthy or the most healthy it can be. For example, eating raw cabbage is good but eating sauerkraut that is processed using fermentation is a healthier way of including cabbage in your diet.
Zoe you have done yourself in with this one
Dr. Sarah Berry has a fundamental different view of saturated fats and seed oil products like margarine and their effects on the body than Dr. Tim Spector in his book 'Spoon Fed'. How can this channel continue to ignore these discrepancies and allow 2 opposed views to be aired as though they are logically consistent?
They get more financing when when Sarah sets the tone?
So seed oil is good then? Should we start to fry our chips and french fries again? 😅
we shouldn’t eat fried food no matter what the oil is, period.
In lard or dripping
Yes! That is a healthy option provided you are capable of not consuming an excessive amount of total calories.
Not convincing and quite upsetting 😖.
Zoe doesn’t strike me as trustworthy.
Gosh, I didn't know they were a healthy addition to one's diet. 😂 Perhaps look up Dr. Paul Mason's info on plant sterols.
Don't believe this. ZOE...you have dropped the ball.
Someone is funding this lady from the giant food industry.
I have a question. I get correlation is not causation but isn't the same true for positive outcomes. For example when observing that seed oil consumption is associated to good health outcomes is that Randomized controlled studies in general or just association. Because there can be a "healthy subject" bias here as well. For example someone listening to ZOE and ingesting seed oils may become healthier but the average ZOE viewer is probably a healthy conscious person anyway (eating well, exercise etc.) Furthermore, until we find seed oils are the fountain of youth isn't it more prudent (out of abundance of caution) to avoid them and use say olive oil while experts still disagree? I mean seed oil is not an essential nutrient right?
I thought this podcast was giving opinions based on results of RCTs and epidemiological studies. It also seemed clear that sticking to extra virgin olive oil is an ideal option for those who can afford it.
Two caveats to that, I think. One is you may need some other oil with a higher smoke point for some types of cooking.
The other is where will you get your Omega-3s, which ARE an essential nutrient.
I buy cod liver oil from a pharmacy and one tablespoon per week gives me enough of the long-chain Omega-3s which otherwise the body must make, inefficiently, from ALA. That is MUCH cheaper than the fish oil capsules.
Sarah, the meta-analysis of studies with polyunsaturated fats improving diabetes and weight are fatally flawed and misinterpreted. The study groups and the control (saturated fat) are both limited to the same amount of calories and carbs. But that’s not real life. Because a calorie is not a calorie if u can’t burn it for fuel. The mitochondria can’t burn the polyunsaturated fats because doing so damages them with oxidative stress, or if they do it slows them down. So the mitochondria burns sugar instead. So in the polyunsaturated fat group the sugar levels and therefore insulin levels of the participants drops more than the saturated fat group, because the mitochondria can quite happily burn the saturated fat. This effect on sugar level in the poly-unsaturated group seems beneficial to you in the study, but in real life this means people eating polyunsaturated fats then crave and eat more sugar in the long run. Which then makes them put on weight in the form of toxic visceral fat. Where as the saturated fat group are satiated and eat less. Studies have shown that if u eat food with seed oils you will eat more. I don’t think anyone argues that that is not the case. Answer that please. Thanks.
That is actually not a good argument for or against fats.because you should have known that if you apply the same logic to eating sugar - basically if you don’t eat too much of it then it’s not bad for you.
Unsubscribed. Final straw, this channel has lost it. Seed oils do more damage to people’s health than any other food and this is beyond forgivable that a supposed health food channel would allow this.
Garbage, avoid.
I eat very little ultra-processed food. I love to cook at home using fresh, whole ingredients and have the opportunity to choose which form of fat/oil I use which predominantly means EVOO. I keep sunflower, avocado, and sesame oils as well as butter/lard on hand for a few recipes. Because my diet is 10% or less ultra processed, I don’t worry much about the occasional other fat/oil I might encounter. For those who are sensitive to particular ingredients, by all means avoid them in your diet. I appreciate having the information provided in the podcast. Thank you!
Please stop talking about LDLcholesterol as bad cholesterol. This myth has been debunked by researchers who are truly independant. See Ben Bikman's work.
Yeah, I don't think so sweetie. Who funded your research? Those same companies that make and sell those seed oils!! You AND those Companies think we're stupid. There's a huge chunk of us that do look into things for ourselves.
I would like to know who sponsored her research
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How can you debunk myths when you are yourself a proponent of the myth that lowering ldl lowers heart disease? No traces of chemicals in seed oils? Are you a spokesperson for the seed oil industry? I will certainly NOT follow your "advice", thank you very much.
Dr Malcolm Kendrick needed here pronto. High LDL in populations equals longer life.
How is this helpful except to reduce people's concerns over UPFs and the damage they cause.
"I know it's bad for you but I heard the oils are actually healthy so why not" something like that?
Terrible message for the public considering the current state of our food.
this woman is a propagandist ignore everything she says and ignore this channel.
I don’t need to bring you hate Sarah. It is really helpful to listen to your counter arguments and debunking and listening carefully to the number of caveats you provide which in fact make the argument NOT to consume seed oil even more compelling and this coupled with you being seemingly completely unaware of your own evidence. Or you are fully aware but have some conflict of interest going on here!
In my opinion seed oil cooking oils are ultra processed "food", this is going against Zoe's principles. I was advising my family and friends to get educated on nutrition on Zoe's but this shocks me a bit. Read for instance Robert Lustig's Metabolical, look at Sten Ekberg on cooking oils, look at Chris Knobbe's hypothesis about seed oils, they make a lot more sense.. I think you should do a follow up and tell us why (which researches) you believe you are right.
I can't even watch this🤢🤮 If she is a chief researcher at Zoe the I am not going to take their other videos serious..
Why, because you will believe conspiracy theories?
Ok, thanks. Instant unfollowing your channel and podcast. Period!
Check out Sarah Berry’s major research on interesterification of fats and how these modified oils can replace trans-fats in the food industry. Might there be a conflict of interest here?
That's bullshit.
Saturated is healthy, now science knows that
How much did she get paid to say such controversial things?
It warms my heart to see how many people have woken up to the propaganda we've been fed for so long and are no longer accepting this type of advice as normal.
Think of it this way: Foods eaten during our entire evolution should be considered safe until PROVEN otherwise (epidemiology studies are not enough to prove they are dangerous).
Foods CREATED within the past 150 years should be considered garbage until proven healthy.
Utter BS from ZOE and Sarah Berry MD. Bring on David Unwin MD, Tim Noakes MD, Paul Mason MD, Gary Fettke MD, Ken Berry MD, Nick Norwitz PhD, Ben Bikman PhD, Ford Brewer MD, Chris Knobbe MD, and Sean O'Mara MD, Chris Palmer MD, and Georgia Edes MD
Have you ever wondered why the MD's and phD's of UA-cam are not the same people as the ones doing real science in peer reviwed scientific publications?
And Malcolm Kendrick MD to show us how the higher tbe LDL the longer the life. This podcast is truly incredibly ill- informed. ZOE is a scam, sadly.
Lmao, keto grifter central😂😂😂 . All the fraudest of frauds in one place
I was really interested in what you said in the comment, then you listed a load of you tubers, but included 3 who are persistent liars and ignores of evidence from large scale well organised long term studies. If you are going to convince me, you need to shorten the list to people who have a track record of honest science. Saying, “don’t trust Sarah Berry” but trust these people, is similar to recommending known criminals to guard your house. I am not saying I trust Sarah Berry, but to trust the “eat as much butter as you like and don’t eat veggies” brigade is not going to convince.