I've been consuming seed oil and processed food with seed oil my entire life and I've felt like crap for most of it. It wasn't until I stopped consuming seed oil when I started to lose weight and felt great like I did when I was a child. You don't have to "listen to the experts" to find out if seed oils are bad or not. Just do your own experiment, consume seed oils for a month and then do a month without seed oils. I'm 100% certain you will notice a difference. I have no clue why someone would be pro seed oil nowadays without receiving some kind of financial incentives.
Yeah, of course it was because of the seed oils and not because of the crap which happens to have seed oils in it. I don't get how you people are able to breathe
@@AlphaHoneyBadgerit’s the industrial processing of food stuffs and seed oils. Those seed oils that are not cold pressed are ultra processed by heat, and chemicals as she describes. Don’t forget someone is making money out of Zoe, or they’d left it be available FOC……
Industrially extracted oils, like Mechanically Recovered Meat… are highly profitable, and recover every last bit of product, but as someone very familiar with industrial chemical extraction using pentane and hexane, the extraction process is SO efficient, that it will ALSO extract toxic compounds that would otherwise have been left behind, and under natural circumstances, humans with their little teeth and single stomach, would never be able to extract by chewing, nor would they ingest them in any toxic quantities, EXCEPT where industrial extraction was involved. The whole deodorisation and bleaching process is to hide these undesirable chemicals that our noses would detect is a symptom of the problem she is dismissing without a full molecular spectra of what has been extracted, reliant on what the truthful industrial producers tell her. Is she that naive? I don’t hate her, she raises good points on omega 3 and clotting etc, but I expected much more from a Zoe guest. This video is a disgrace to the scientific process, and just as much involved in misinformation as the youtubers mistaking correlation for causation. It should have had peer review before publication by the likes of Dr Robert Lustig, Dr Nadir Ali, Dr Aseem Malhotra, people who put good science above all else. Also talks about LDL “BAD” cholesterol, another myth put out by the multibillion dollar statin industry. Your brain is largely made of cholesterol, as are all your nerves, you need LDL for your cell membranes, you need it to fight infection…! Now ZOE could comment on LDL, the other good cholesterol! Here are some interesting videos from a cardiologist (there are others, a Texas cardiologist Dr Jamnadas on youtube also puts out his teaching hospital videos, and worth inviting) . ua-cam.com/video/Y_JcZSRSBHg/v-deo.html canola ua-cam.com/video/_xJtlQH8Q88/v-deo.html ldl the other good cholesterol ua-cam.com/video/iOwfhFWUwhE/v-deo.html I’d rather here from a cardiologist who has performed stents and determined that they will not prevent future adverse events, and if LDL is the cause of the fire and not the retardant foam… why do plaques only appear in arteries… the high pressure system, not in veins, but they do appear in veins grafted into arteries.
I ended up with so much digestive pain, discomfort, other horrible side effects from consuming so much saturated fats and abandoning seed oils. The brainwash is so strong with the right wing nut case seed oil obsession. I am finally recovering after I gave up most of the saturated fat (just a tiny bit ghee here and there) and went back to regular oils. Pain is slowly going away.
One of the most eye opening experiences is when you dig into the terrible state of most food products on the shelves of supermarkets. Shopping becomes interesting when you realise that about 80% of the stock in a typical outlet isn't good.
Every single reason you have given for using these oils has hardened my desire to never have them in my diet except in their natural form of nuts and seeds.
Yes. I am not sure whey we cannot just eat the real food nuts and seeds without heating them. I wonder if this person works for the industry and it is not being disclosed here. Why not use olive oil? I am not comfortable with these oils and they produce volatile compounds when heated. I would not feed this to my family iether. It sounds like she is comfortable eating them and feeding her family in this way. There is a lot of content here that I do not agree with on the ZOE channel. She does not address the issue of volatile compounds and it is possible on the limited measures the indsutry looks at the oils look fine. No one is going to create a study to look at things that would make their product look bad or inferior. The measures in the study are critical to look at and they may not be measuring the bigger picture most people are concerned about. Something might not kill you today but it could seed cancer over the long haul and this is not part of the study even if it is a randomized control trial.
@@SL-1985 In almost every podcast Zoe promotes eating real food & olive oil. This video is aimed at the misinformation that these wellness-evangelical (Often LCHF) grifters spread. Personally I'm sticking to olive oil and real food. Regardless this is very interesting & informative. Maybe I'll cook (high heat) with certain seed oils to save $ after hearing this.
@@louisejackson1968 It depends on the pressure applied by the press. A high powered industrial cold press to max profits will get the toxic compounds out together with your oil. That’s why she was roughly right when saying there was little difference. Eating and crushing with your teeth, or extracting in a little family business with a hand crank would be ok. Think about why French wine growers once produced the best wines by crushing grapes with feet, to avoid excess pressure bringing out the undesirable compounds. The same principle applies, and varies on the seed/plant.
@@budlaumer you didn't specify in your comment, you can't cherry pick now. And, please, tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Hm. So. I've watched a video on seed oils being prepared and it was pretty gross. Then we had Tim telling us to avoid ultra processed food, including seed oils. Personally I got a whole lot better health when I ditched the seed oils and my LDL is very low with an excellent ratio with the HDL. The science seems a bit mixed when you google and we've been hearing 'experts' for years who end up apologising and getting it wrong (hello eggs, butter etc). On balance I think I'll continue avoiding seed oils thanks.
Absolutely agree. I'm 1000% better since I ditched seed oil. Not only is Tim Spector spot on in his books, but most Functional Medicine doctors say exactly the same. I'm grateful for the advice, and would advise anyone not to use any seed oil.
Her evidence for why there is no health risk to heating seed oils (39:10) is mad. "I actually did a randomised control trial many years ago that I’d actually forgotten about until I was thinking about this podcast yesterday and this is a study that I conducted at Kings with 19 healthy males”. How can you extrapolate from such a narrow study over a few days to say that there is no risk!
Exactly. No one is claiming that there is an instant toxic effect. If there were, there wouldn't be any debate. As an analogy, people who are 100 pounds heavier at age 60 than they were at 20 only needed to store a net 24 calories a day, which would be undetectable in a short study, which would show "no statistical significance in weight gain". PUFAs, once stored in fat cells, are reluctant to be released for fuel (and the mitochondria go on a slowdown when they are the main fuel), having a half-life of about 4 years. If a person manages to never get overweight with a high-PUFA diet, then perhaps they have avoided most of its problems, but anyone who is storing PUFA in large amounts is going to have an EXTRA hard time losing weight.
I don’t need to bring you hate Sarah. It is really helpful to listen to your counter arguments and debunking and listening carefully to the number of caveats you provide which in fact make the argument NOT to consume seed oil even more compelling and this coupled with you being seemingly completely unaware of your own evidence. Or you are fully aware but have some conflict of interest going on here!
Totally agree. This is the *_most unconvincing video_* in this podcast I've seen so far based on the following: 1) They said that the refinery process of seed oils didn't make them unhealthy. a) They have repeatedly suggested us to avoid refined olive oil and choose extra virgin olive oil. But suddenly refinery process is okay for seed oils? How come? 2) Hexane, the substance used in the refinery process is a derivative of petroleum. Hexane is bad to be consumed. Could they be so sure that there is no Hexane at all left in the final product of refined seed oils? c) Heating oil until it smokes in cooking is okay? Why? There is certainly chemical processes happening because the changing form from liquid to gas and it is not reversible. Burnt foods (e.g burnt meat) are changing form and become carcinogen, but when it comes to oils it is suddenly okay? There must be a change of molecules composition from liquid to gas and it wasn't explained in the video, neither was the impact of the change. d) Cold press seed oils before refinery have low smoke points, but after refinery they have much higher smoke points. Thus, there must be some changes happened in the molecular level. The video doesn't explain the changes and their impact to our body. The video just said it was still healthy, without explaining the detail. 2) The test of consuming used seed oils and test the impact on the body 8 hours later is very unconvincing, because: a) The waiting period between the consumption of used seed oils and the test is too short. There are a lot of substances which are bad for our health of which impact could only be seen after years or decades of consumption. Teflon in cooking utensils is one example. If I used a teflon pan to cook an omellete and eat that omellete now, you won't see the bad impact of the teflon 8 hours later. Smoking cigarette is another example. If I smoke now, most likely I wouldn't get a lung cancer by tomorrow. b) They said that the test of consuming used seed oils didn't show negative impact, but still suggest us to avoid repeat use of cooking oils (of any kinds). It is very contradictive.
@@elizabethash3247 My speculation is they had got a request from a government's body or an industry organization to promote seed oils, to change poeple's consumption from olive oils to seed oils. The UK has been struggling with their economy due to Brexit. A Cambridge report released at the beginning of 2024 mentioned that there had been 2 millions jobs lost up to 2023 due to Brexit. Unlike olive oils, seed oils are produced locally in the UK. I could see the government or an industrial organization requested Zoe to promote seed oils while appealing to their patriotism as fellow Brits.
@@tiararoxeanne1318yes! So many agendas being pedalled by Zoe principals. Fed Amati saying if you’re not celiac don’t worry about wheat when so many people have major issues with wheat and not testing as celiac. Tim Spector saying all kinds of mad things and then changing his mind. But I expect the drivers which generate £££‘s will be the ones to watch out for. Very disturbing.
I tried eating food prepared with seed oils for a month and was shocked that I had gained a significant amount of weight! Since then, I started cooking my own food by avoiding seed oils and felt much better and stop gaining weight.
So you started cooking your own food, which means you could regulate how much fat was in your food and you stopped gaining weight. The law of thermodinamics is truly incredible. Has nothing to do with the type of oil you use, though.
If we turn purely to biochemistry: - sunflower, rapeseed, vegetable oils are polyunsaturated fats and when they are exposed to oxygen, they easily damage -> not healthy - polyunsaturated fats are prone to becoming free radicals (when these fats are heated, electrons can be lost -> become free radicals). Then this further reacts with oxygen in the air over the cooking pan -> becomes even more damaging. The damaged fats formed will be incorporated into the cell membrane. - so the conclusion is that polyunsaturated fats should be kept in dark glass bottles in fridge - never used for cooking
Indeed, omega 3 and omega 6 FA double bonds are equally reactive when exposed to air/oxygen and this reaction is promoted/accelerated by light and heat. Epoxidation also happens at the single double bond of oleic acid. However, these reactions ae not as fast as often claimed and we had to subject the oils to very drastic conditions, way beyond what would be encountered during cooking something in a frying pan with a seed oil, before traces of double bond changes could be detected. The frying conditions encountered in fast food outlets are somewhat different and can be more drastic since the water vapour released from the food foams up the oil, which creates a much larger surface area exposed to a mixture of air and steam and this is not a one-off exposure since the same oil is used repeatedly.
Shocking, that she added repeated heating makes no difference to health out comes, yet added that one Should try to use fresh oil....they are hiding something. Who Is being fooled????
It's not the oil. It's the oxidized oil. And if you think the oil hasn't oxidized a bit after spending months sitting around waiting to be sold, well...
@@sauercarey that argument doesn’t hold up. Oxidisation in the form of oxidised LDL isn’t the cause of health problems but rather Apob carrying LDL levels in the bloodstream. If anything seed oils with linoleic acid have shown health benefits if anything.
@@DomDeDom Gotta research the brand. Costco has a couple that have been tested to be clean, for example. But sticking to animal-fats are much safer: butter, bacon grease, lard, tallow. Much healthier and safer. 💖
Hexane is the common solvent used to extract oil from soybeans and other oilseeds. However, the reason why it is allowed is that it evaporates from the oil mash during processing.
@@devdroid9606 also anybody who's made hash oil would know that sometimes you gotta use some of the bad "chemicals" to get the good "chemicals" that you want haha. It's just like cleaning something with Isopropyl alcohol, you just need to make sure it all evaporates and you're good to go
Lol 🤣 if you look at the comments to what Sarah is saying they don't believe what she is saying. We don't need to have seed oil's to be healthy and if we don't have them we won't be un healthy.
This interview barely skimmed on people with high cholesterol, but what I find unforgivable is completely ignoring people with fatty liver (which is the vast majority of the western world). Nevermind diabetics!!! So this episode just serves as a reminder that studies are only done on really healthy people, as any health issues/co-morbidities are considered disqualifying for the purposes of studies. Meanwhile I'm going to continue to suggest to everyone outside of their 20s years of age to stay well away from seed oils until these so-called studies include the people they're supposed to help. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the healthy people don't need to be concerned with seed oils themselves, but that's always a small percentage of the adult population unfortunately.
Most supermarket brands of oils go through terrible 15 processes: chemical extraction, chemical treatment, chemical removal of odor, bleaching, extraction with very high heat…. You just mentioned them all, how is these oils (highly processed) still healthy?!? Can you think of any food that can remain healthy after so many chemical processes?!? 😂😂😂 what a joke
@@rossmurray6849 Sarah Berry advocates the out of date view that saturated fats are a cause of CVD. I have posted links to some very recent large meta analyses debunking these ideas but they are always deleted on Zoe.
Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, or what the motivation is? A few weeks ago you had Tim giving another wonderful talk about the wonders of olive oil and now you have Sarah on her own with no counter argument spruiking that seed oils are not that bad. They are the foundation of so many health issues and most corporations are quite happy to keep poisoning consumers for the sake of the bottom line.
Dr Brad Stannfield, also a VERY reliable source of info.,as he only goes by randomised controlled trials and meta analyses ( always evidence based approach) also made a video a day ago in favour of seed oils and disputing the majority negative view of seed oils..so in agreement eith Sarah. If not 'evidence based', it's just a personal opinion and no good to anyone.
There is also plenty of evidence that omega 6 oils are inflamatory and tend to out balance our requirement for omega 3. In general though, PUFAs are unstable and should be avoided for cooking. Sadly vegetable oils are used to deep fry.
@@chazwymani will bite. Give the pmids of the RCT studies in humans (not mice, not monkeys, not rabbits etc) showing seed oils /Linoleic Acid/Omega6 increased inflammation. Right here right now, show it. And thenni will show you the meta analyses which prove that linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory markers in humans.
I wonder who funds the research? I stopped using seed oils 3 years ago & now use extra virgin olive oil & butter from grass fed cows. The videos I’ve seen of how these seed oils are produced is gross. No thanks. And the continuing use of the term “bad cholesterol” does my head in.
@@13Pandam The 2019 Kings College research into IE fats was funded by among others, Coca-Cola,nabisco, PepsiCo, Sainsbury’s, M&S, DuPont, mondelez, Nabim, Nestle and Unilever.
@@jgreen9361 Aside from the fact that it's a fruit, it is 'cold-pressed' and unprocessed. Unfortunately, those who live in the US have a harder time getting unpolluted EVOO since it is often bogus.
The British Nutrition Foundation is a lobby group funded by the food industry (wiki). As Sarah provides courses and is funded by the BNF, there are suggestions of a confict of interest as a minimum, as well as inaccuracies pointed out elsewhere in the podcast content.
My gut feeling, ie life experience was whispering since the beginning of this video: COI, COI, COI (conflict of interest). I went into video description and found none declared. Then I went to comments, and found rhus one. Thanks for that. Such a propaganda video one does not do for free, that's what life tought me, and I was right.
Oooo most contentious podcast yet. May I suggest getting on a “no seed oil advocate” and having a bit of a debate? Max Lugavere perhaps? It could bring back some trust…??
Please stop talking about LDLcholesterol as bad cholesterol. This myth has been debunked by researchers who are truly independant. See Ben Bikman's work.
Why would indépendant researchers be more trustworthy than the mainstream ones? They could be misled deluded quacks. Beware of the self proclaimed genius who makes his bread on contrarianism.
I don’t leave comments either, but listening to this episode I agree with everyone else, my thought was, is her science and research backed by the seed oil companies.
Interesting. It would be interesting to see you interview Dr Catherine Shanahan MD, author of Dark Calories: How Vegetable Oils Destroy Our Health and How We Can Get It Back. The declining health in the industrialized world cardinally tracks with seed oil consumption. Correlation is not causation but her arguments go well beyond that. There is so much new science that no individual or group can keep up with it so it would be informative to see her and Professor Berry discuss it.
@@jschreiber6461 No better way to expose hyperbole than debate. Another factor that Professor Berry didn't mention was that most Canola and other seed oils in the US are contaminated with glyphosate and pesticides that are banned in Europe.
@@nowayjose6700 Yup, or that using solvent extraction (pentane or hexane) not only extracts all the oil, but also all the fat soluble toxic compounds that can then accumulate in your fatty tissues, poisoning you over years. It’s one of the reasons why fat cells contribute to cancer.
Didn't mention that there are 2 omega 3. 3 and 3s from oily fish and the omega 3 from veg, ala conversion rate is very poor. The oils degrade over time, oxidation at room temperature was not discussed.
What we got was 1. Seed oils are great because they have so much Omega6! 2. As long as you have enough Omega3, it doesn't matter how much Omega6 you have ...
I would suggest that you go to a seed oil manufacturing plant and see and smell their production. I worked close to a manufacturing plant and stopped using them after seeing how it was produced. seed oils have a 4 year half life in the body, now we have upto 30%in the early 1900 it was 1%.
I researched today and Zoe’s new investors are all venture capital companies that also have investments in processed food companies. Some making processed meat free products and diary free cheese so should Zoe now declare that they have a conflict of interest ?
It is not nonsense Lady. Seed oils are not good. I cook daily since 12. I am 61 and cooking from coconut oil,ghee, olive oil(salads) seaseme not roasted, avocado once in a while and that's what works for my family and I. Cold pressed is the way to go. I suggest that the one knowing you better than anyone else, any industry, any doctor, is yourself. Try and pay attention in what is good for you.
Wanted to add, I can tell when seed oils are used vs non. I was given an olive and it tasted gross. Turns out it had seed oil in the jar. It makes my stomach churn in a sour way no matter what product. So no thank you
What does she mean, when she says we eat more palm oil than anything else?! If you avoid processed foods, then you don't eat any! Butter, ghee, even lard is better than processed seed oils. Your brain needs fats, particularly medium chain triglycerides found in coconut oil. Feed your brain! Always go for cold pressed olive oil or avocado oil. Why would you consume an oil that has a solvent added to extract more oil? Sarah said her views might change in 5 years when more studies come out. I'd rather avoid the heavily processed oils now and stick to the natural method of extraction. Also, meat and saturated fat and cholesterol is not bad for you, it's healthier, ie the paleo keto diet.
I think when she says we we should take it to mean people collectively, as a whole, roughly. I don't think it means you or I, her family etc. Seems obvious, really
I eat very little ultra-processed food. I love to cook at home using fresh, whole ingredients and have the opportunity to choose which form of fat/oil I use which predominantly means EVOO. I keep sunflower, avocado, and sesame oils as well as butter/lard on hand for a few recipes. Because my diet is 10% or less ultra processed, I don’t worry much about the occasional other fat/oil I might encounter. For those who are sensitive to particular ingredients, by all means avoid them in your diet. I appreciate having the information provided in the podcast. Thank you!
It's possible that seed oils only effect people with IBS and food intolerance. It's disappointing that Zoe is claiming to debunk the evidence we have repeatedly tested. My experiments have shown even small amouts of seed oils effect my IBS. It was years before I noticed that all the non dairy milks were all loaded with seed oil as a preservative and stopping them was the last step in fixing my IBS. My current diet using olive oil keeps my IBS under control.
That's really funny! But really a sign of our times, when idiots are considered experts and the real experts are ignored. The comments are no surprise!
@@alisoninchausti1080 Really? So her being a professor and researcher teaching nutrition and medicine at King's College London does not make her an "actual expert"? Come on! Give your head a shake!
I couldn't quite make up my mind about Zoe until now. This video made me look a bit deeper at Zoe. Dr Berry is their head of nutrition science research. Zoe seem to be still deeply enmeshed in the decades old 'saturated fat bad, cholesterol bad' falacy. I've unsubscribed
As Dr. Eric Westman would say, Always considere the source. Zoe is vegetarian leaning, so would not tell you how beef tallow, butter or animal fat is good for you. Also consider cholesterol is essential for us to live😊😊
As long as you have adequate omega 3 oils, say from oily fish twice a week( low in mercury such as salmon, sardines, anchovies), seed oils ARE safe. As for the 'cholesterol is essential' stuff...yes it IS and that is why EVERY CELL in our body can make it's own cholesterol!
i like Zoe, broadly, but i'm troubled by the way that, when it comes down to it, the pleasant and knowledgeable sarah berry (and the american doctor) always seems to come down on the side of the industrial food process (with qualifications) - my 'gut' instinct is that this is wrong and that is what i will act on. The basic idea that whole-foods are best, made sense to me from the 1970s - it was heavily attacked from the late 1970s - and tim spector doesn't seem to acknowledge that his current stress on whole-foods is much the same as the case made by the healthy food ecological and nutritional arguments of the 1960s and 1970s ('hippies' and people like rose elliott and many others) - though there have been, of course, some improvements in understanding.
@@Bargeonin Just eat Whole foods, no alcohol and smoking, move enough, don't stress about everything, drink water and limit "useless" calories like oil to a necessary minimum. There are good videos on how to cook with less fat/oil. That's it. Everyone who "made it" will actually tell you something along those lines.
@@Bargeonin I'm a Clinical Pharmacist and I say ONLY go by proper randomised controlled clinical studies.. watch latest video by Dr Brad Stanfield. Nough said.
@@Bargeonin think for your self , my rule of thumb is use real whole foods and if a food has to go through some crazy process that cant be done in my kitchen i wont be eating it, also look at how much healthier people looked before they started the war on fat and everything had to be low fat , people used to consume way more fat and they used to be way slimmer look at pics of the beach on the 70 vs now
After listening, I still think reduced oil consumption regardless of how it's used is in the best interest of everyone. Sure, season with it if it means you'll eat your greens. Or have the odd deep-fried what-ever as a treat now and then. But stick to whole-foods as much as possible daily for the best health outcomes.
I have a question. I get correlation is not causation but isn't the same true for positive outcomes. For example when observing that seed oil consumption is associated to good health outcomes is that Randomized controlled studies in general or just association. Because there can be a "healthy subject" bias here as well. For example someone listening to ZOE and ingesting seed oils may become healthier but the average ZOE viewer is probably a healthy conscious person anyway (eating well, exercise etc.) Furthermore, until we find seed oils are the fountain of youth isn't it more prudent (out of abundance of caution) to avoid them and use say olive oil while experts still disagree? I mean seed oil is not an essential nutrient right?
I thought this podcast was giving opinions based on results of RCTs and epidemiological studies. It also seemed clear that sticking to extra virgin olive oil is an ideal option for those who can afford it. Two caveats to that, I think. One is you may need some other oil with a higher smoke point for some types of cooking. The other is where will you get your Omega-3s, which ARE an essential nutrient. I buy cod liver oil from a pharmacy and one tablespoon per week gives me enough of the long-chain Omega-3s which otherwise the body must make, inefficiently, from ALA. That is MUCH cheaper than the fish oil capsules.
I think people need to chill out a bit. If you are trying to determine whether or not you should eat a product on a regular basis by the text on the packaging, you need to start eating real food again. She is simply trying to undemonize seed oil and subsequently the omega 6 fatty acids in which you need to survive. I too have greatly reduced my seed oil intake, but that is because I stopped eating high-margin, low-quality, dead food. I also fell into the trap of demonizing seed oil, but I don't find myself avoiding it anymore, because 80% of my diet is whole fruits, vegetables, unprocessed meats, nuts/seeds, beans/legumes and hard cheeses. Guess what? I have my own success story of losing a lot of weight and generally feel better including mental health. If I suddenly cannot obtain an apple or pepper without it being injected with seed oil, then yeah I am grabbing my pitchfork!
The thing is, it is nearly impossible NOT to get enough omega-6. Even the foods that are low in it have more than enough. They are only called "essential" because the body does not make polyunsaturated fats from other fats, so it is essential that they are in the diet, but it is not essential to get more than exists already in any whole food diet. "Essential" is a technical term; not a directive that it is "essential" to find concentrated sources of it!
The important thing is the ratio between omega 6 and omega 3. Ideally it should be 1:1. I don't know the stats for the UK but in the US it's like 25:1. Furthermore Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory. Canola/rapeseed oil is being closely monitored in Europe for a reason. Personally I only use extra virgin olive oil and extra virgin avocado oil. It would be great if Zoe made a video called: "Saturated fats are not evil" - I would very much watch it. Speaking of evil fats: trans fats are the ones to stay away from.
@@kierlak Most of this is driven by the "animal agriculture is destroying the planet" ideological nonsense, based on the practice of feeding ruminants annual-crop sillage in depleting soils instead of perrenial grasses and the high-quality soil they build from CO2 and methane.
Stop watching when she said "saturated fat is bad but polyusaturated is good" My argument is, since trans-fat is bad. polyunsaturated fat has high tendency to change to trans-fat, saturated fat has not.
Do you know what drives me insane? Y’all telling me to put something in my body which was produced in an unnatural and toxic process. Talk about misinformation. Y’all are crazy. Since when is eating an oil that was processed with lethal chemicals healthy. Zoe; y’all just lost the plot.
No. Phytosterols artificially reduce LDL. When we quit using seed oils, our LDL returns to a normal healthy level. That's not a raise in real terms. We need cholesterol for a healthy brain, making hormones and Vit D, making cells. Supposedly heart healthy spreads have now been shown to be worse than butter for the heart in the long term. Very disappointed with Zoe these days. Instead, Take a look at talks by Dr Paul Mason about LDL, he explains the science really well. DoctorsToTrust is a great resource - small bites of talks by many experts in their own fields of neuroscience, biochemistry, medicine..... eloquent speakers who are actually seeing results as their own patients reverse chronic metabolic bad health, all backed up with studies, charts, evidence.
It’s interesting how many people in the comments say they quit seed oils, lost weight and felt better. I think that says more than Sarahs 10 day study and it’s affect on bio markers.
Yes. Her study seemed rather too weak to be worthy of mention. Healthy young students as her “guinea pigs” probably (as is often the case!) Not exactly a typical population study.
There are any number of diets that people will go on and say they feel better afterwards, and a lot of that is just because the human body adapts to try and restore homeostasis. There are many strong proponents of the carnivore diet, other low carb diets, fad diets, etc. because of this, even if they have no or low quality evidence of long term benefit or even safety.
i would recommend animal fat instead, olive oil still has moderate amounts of polyunsaturated fat (20%) and it is like honey in that it is one of the most doctored foods in the world. You will also have more nutrients in animal fat especially if it's a good source like grass fed beef dripping or butter or even ghee
Will she address: 1) The huge numbers of anectdotes of fair-skinned people who stopped burning in the sun when they removed polyunsaturated oils from their diets? I used to burn in 15 to 20 minutes, myself, and can be in the sun for over an hour now without sunburn? 2)The observation that people living in cultures where there is no polyunsaturated oils added to food don't get the usual diseases from smoking cigarettes at anywhere near the rate that more advanced cultures do?
Too true about burning, I live near the equator but i'm white British and I used to burn like toast 1 hour before sunset with no sunblock on my face, I would go red, now I don't. That was when I ditched the seed oils and switched to beef dripping, butter and ghee pretty much exclusively. I'm so grateful to myself that I did that. My chance of developing skin cancer in the future is greatly reduced just by doing that alone
THEY ARE EVERYWHERE---AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM! I Wonder how much was she paid by Crisco, and the other oil brands. I dare her to Ingest these oils every single day, and doument it. That is when she will have some credibility.
@@DerekLaugann Do you understand the difference between partially and fully hydrogenated? Or oil vs shortening? Crisco is a brand that sells both vegetable oil and shortening. She was referring to the Crisco with fully hydrogenated palm oil (saturated fat) which is a shortening, not an oil. It is a solid at room temperature. It's used as a substitute for lard or tallow, which were also used for lubrication of machinery. Crisco contains 29% saturated fat (mostly from hydrogenated palm oil). Lard contains 39% saturated fat. Tallow contains 50% saturated fat. Crisco has zero trans fat according to the USDA while tallow has between 5 and 7% trans fat. Yes, cattle make trans fats naturally.
I love Zoe, and Tim. What Sarah is saying is not good advice however. For many reasons already listed in these comments. However I will add another reason: the "Nutrition" of seed oils is not the problem. Its the Viscosity. Seed oils are notoriously difficult to "wash", the body cannot use its own resources to either break down or wash away. The small amounts of seed oils gradually line the gut when ingested. For those that do not have a perfect diet - most of us - sugar combined with other bad microbes line the gut wall. You know the rest of the story. Whereas Extra Virgin Oil does not do this, and actually has the effect of washing away the Seed oils. Get some seed oil out of your cupboard, put on your hands, wash off with EVO. Talk about Nutrition all you like love but you're barking up the wrong tree
Appalling under reporting of the cholesterol story, no mention of small dense ldl particles oxidated and damaging to the cardiovascular system, and all its associated downstream diseases. Simply don’t consume any industrialised interfered with foods. Oils are already oxidated before you buy it.Only consume cold pressed and reduce the volume of seed oil in the diet.
My questions are: - how did Sarah Berry become a professor - who recommended Sarah Berry to be interviewed - where is she teaching or researching - what is Sarah Berry's own diet like
While I don't find seed oils toxic, I do find that they can go rancid over time which is why I will focus on only eating the seeds themselves along with other plant based foods while only consuming fruit oils or fatty fruits and their products like coconut butter and oil, unrefined West African palm fruit oil, and shea butter, cocoa butter, and avocado and olive oils while avoiding all animal products and most ultraprocessed foods. When the guest mentions palm oil, is the guest referring to the typical refined and bleached palm oil or naturally occurring unrefined palm oil? I heard omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids mentioned but what about omega 9 fatty acids? Thank you for this episode.
I would suggest that the rest of what you do is so good that it overcomes the negative effects of the very high saturated fat content of palm and coconut oils. I would literally choose any other plant oil over those two or products of any land animal.
@@rossmurray6849 The palm oil and coconut oil often used in products are usually refined and hydrogenated, which are definitely problematic. I am talking about coconut fat and palm fruit oils on their naturally occurring forms and the guest Sara(?) did not specifically mention what type of palm oil she researched or was examined in the study. Naturally occurring palm fruit oil has vitamin E and vitamin A as beta carotene and makes it easier for the body to absorb fat soluble vitamins and minerals like the other plant fats do.
@@19111959 I have listened to top scientist talk about the omega 3 and 6 ratio and it’s damaging affects and am out on all this sudden change of direction
So I assume this means you won't be commenting in the future? I'm wondering why so many people are coming out of the woodwork to be negative now as if this channel is continuously producing poor content. If that's the case, why stay? By your logic, isn't that the metaphorical, mental equivalent of consuming seed oils (if you think all seed oils are bad)? 🤔
Does this mean that fried foods are not as unhealthy as we've always been told? Are fries or chips actually no worse than a roast potato? Or potentially better as you're getting goodness from the oil?
Before unsubscribing, I went to see the studies mentioned in the show notes - maybe there was science behind the claims, I thought. Nope, not at all. So, unfortunately, I will unsubscribe and carry my disappointment with me.
@@samburrell3288 yep also take into account coke a cola is one of the biggest funders of studies they muddy the waters on purpose so people find it hard to work out which science studies to follow
Absolutely. Cholesterol is vital for life & especially brain health. I was put on statins 6 years ago as my cholesterol was high - it always has been. I couldn’t tolerate the side effects so came off them after a few months. Since then I’ve learned so much about cholesterol & how it actually isn’t great to be lowering it especially as you get older. I’m mid 60’s & would never touch them again in any circumstance. And when will they stop using the term “bad cholesterol” , it does my head in!
I feel that she is working from old info/ studies whilst minimising some of her own facts and ignoring new potential and interesting findings. I'm afraid that there seemed to be so many gaps that I didn't find her at all compelling. If someone uses critical thinking, this feels like gaslighting!
FINALLY! THANK YOU. 💚I have asked your and Dr B the Gut Doctor about this. I agree with you Sarah, I made granola once and had nothing else but evoo, because of everyone saying how bad seed oils are. It tasted pretty bad. I have safflower oil as well now and I'm glad I'm in the clear. It killed me to pour 1/2c of the $23 bottle in there too!😆
I suffer badly with Ankylosing spondylitis, a spinal arthritic condition. I've been advised to avoid seed oils due to inflammation impact, subsequently it's impacting my polyunsaturated fat intake. No one, so far, has been able to help with this conundrum. Any ideas?
Diet may help to relieve the pain but root cause of rubbish between joints needs to be targeted. Probably you need a good chiropractor or a good therapist who knows things like Rife, magnetic therapy, red light therapy to cure the root cause.
My LDL went down significantly when I stopped consuming vegetable oil and started using coconut, olive and avocado oil. Omega 6 while needed are inflammatory. It needs to be countered with omega 3 which is anti inflammatory
@@dou40006 What good is plant Omega-3? It is a poor fuel for mitochondria, and it only converts to EPA and DHA at very low rates, especially in peoples evolved far from the equator. Just eat EPA and DHA! They're already converted by life forms who are good at converting
John Masterjohn explains this all in great detail. Arachadonic acid from O-6 initiates the inflammatory response for wound healing and then is involved with the resolution of that same inflammatory response. O-3 lowers inflammation by lowering the immune system response to inflammation which is not ideal. He says we only need 250mg combined EPA/DHA per day.
@@rickduker4969 I wonder a lot about ALA, the common plant form of Omega-3 (especially flax, chia, walnuts). Many people praise it for health benefits, but the mitochondria do not like PUFA as fuel, and most people are horrible at converting it to EPA and DHA, so I wonder if it doesn't have a net negative in excess. Why are walnuts allegedly healthy? RCTs with dietary substitutions, or "healthy user bias" epidemiology? Who would buy "healthy" baked or fried chips because they have Chia or Flax seeds added? How is that a selling point, when the ALA will oxidize at high temperatures?
This goes against everything that I have heard or read over the past few years. I predict that there will be a follow up video addressing this controversial topic.
It disturbs me that Tim Spector allowed this video to be released to the world knowing it contradicts prevailing food recommendations. Have Zoe sold out to the food industry? Regrettably, I will be chary of viewing any further broadcasts. You can build up a gold plated information and totally destroy your case with this one totally errant broadcast. Please supply a shed load of peer reviewed study papers to back up your bizarre claims.
Help! Tim Spector and Elizabeth Berger both said that seed oils were unhealthy, a few months ago, and in a nutshell said extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil were pretty much the healthiest. I was thinking signing up with zoe but am struggling with this now as there are conflicting opinions from ' professionals ' on the same podcasts. I would say, as a regular family man who is working hard to get the best healthiest diet for our family, that the more processed and tampered with etc etc a product is the more one should stay away from. I'm finding Sarah hard to trust as in a previous podcast she says coconut oil has a low smoke point which I know is the exact opposite. Where does this leave me? Basically " Help ! "
Dr Paul Mason, the Cholestrol con, Grain Brain, Metabolical, Dr Suneel Hand, read and listen to them and you will see what's going on, they will change your life. These are genuine sources of true information, fat is not harmful, saturated fat is not harmful, Take this on board and you will feel amazing!
Read my comment. ZOE is a terrible channel. I'm here for the comments only. Follow Paul Saladino, his information is the best and free. Anthony Chaffee is also very good
I can understand the part about the high flavonoid content in olive oil being better, but I'm not sure about that then meaning that other oils are bad for us, only less good. Is there are part of the video that you can link to? Is this the one? ua-cam.com/video/BiKGydHNjGc/v-deo.html
Yeah that is one of the videos 27.20, 43.45. ' how to pick the best olive oil ' ( Tim Spector ) 7.05. On re - listening to it they are not so directly damming of seed oils as I thought. I do feel the overall vibe is to move away from seed oils in general, certainly in this podcast. Sarah seems to point in the other direction which from a trust point of view is difficult as her facts appear a little inaccurate i.e coconut oil. Sten Ekberg is another one I follow regularly but even then from one to another is conflict of opinion. I want to trust zoe as they appear to be genuine but not convinced, yet. What do you think?
@@colindiffey6394 Maybe this nuance is helpful and certainly I don't deliberately consume much coconut oil as I'm moderating my lipid blood work on advice. This is from wikipedia on coconut oil. It seems like it's the better versus best point of view. "Marketing of coconut oil has created the inaccurate belief that it is a "healthy food".[64] Instead, studies have found that coconut oil consumption has health effects similar to those of other unhealthy fats, including butter, beef fat, and palm oil.[4] Coconut oil contains a high amount of lauric acid, a saturated fat that raises total blood cholesterol levels by increasing the amounts of both high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol.[4][65][66] Although lauric acid consumption may create a more favorable total blood cholesterol profile, this does not exclude the possibility that persistent consumption of coconut oil may actually increase the risk of cardiovascular diseases through other mechanisms,[65] particularly via the marked increase in total blood cholesterol induced by lauric acid.[66][67] Because the majority of saturated fat in coconut oil is lauric acid,[66][67] coconut oil may be preferred over partially hydrogenated vegetable oil when solid fats are used in the diet.[68]"
I'd be interested in where Sarah is getting her funding from? Zoe? Food industry? To truly understand the impact of increased seed oil and palm oil consumption on large populations we need £000,000's for research. Unfortunately, it is the corporates, governments and food industry that have those £'s and, like the smoking industry, continue to fund research to show/headline results which support they're agenda i.e. bottom line sales and shareholders. I notice in many of the comments here that people are taking responsibility for their own health and taking the time and effort to try and experiment to see what works for them as an individual 🤔👏
Dr. Sarah Berry has a fundamental different view of saturated fats and seed oil products like margarine and their effects on the body than Dr. Tim Spector in his book 'Spoon Fed'. How can this channel continue to ignore these discrepancies and allow 2 opposed views to be aired as though they are logically consistent?
Would love a follow-up panel interview with Sarah, Dr. Casey Means of Good Energy, & Chris van Tulleken of Ultra Processed People (all whom have been guests on Zoe).
And Dr Ken Berry and Dr Anthony Chaffee and Dr Paul Mason and Dr Zoe Harcombe for starters about the importance of eating animal foods and saturated fats, definitely not seed oils, and especially Dr Malcolm Kendrick about how the higher the LDL cholesterol the longer the life. Sarah Berry sounds like someone from decades ago before we did research on these topics. ZOE is a total scam, blind to current investigations of science. And we can do without conclusions based on a few people under Sarah Berry. Really incredible.
I used to have a kitchen-top deep fat fryer and I saw the smount of gunk build up on it over time. That was good enough evidence for me to give it the heave-ho!
Really wonderful podcast. Thank you so much. Raises a couple questions for me. 1 is solid sunflower marg ok for use in baking ie does that form retain the beneficial effects of the liquid oil form? 2. How does adding seeds to our diet compare with using oil? Can our bodies access the beneficial effects in the same way, or does most of it pass through our gut and out the other end?
Not an expert here but ... I stopped using all margarines some decades ago when I inspected the nutrition label on a margarine described as made from olive oil. About 25% of the fats in that margarine were saturated compared to about 15% in unprocessed olive oil. My conclusion was that to change a liquid oil into a solid at room temperature requires the changing of some unsaturated fats into saturated ones. I do NOT want that. Re seeds vs oils. Without a doubt, seeds are more healthy than oils because they contain protein, carbohydrates, fibre, and more of the healthy other chemicals (phytosterols, polyphenols, and antioxidants which non-scientists can use interchangeably). The main point of this podcast is that seed oils are less beneficial than seeds but not, as many on the internet claim, unhealthy. Re pass straight through. If you look at the labels of whole peanuts and peanut butter (made with one ingredient) they would appear to be identical. They are not. The body will absorb less of everything from whole peanuts than from peanut butter. The peanuts will be feeding more of the bacteria in your gut which would make them slightly better for you. You may safely ignore this unless you're trying to restrict calories to lose weight. Then whole peanuts would be better.
Margarines are hydrogenated oil which means chemicals are added to make unsaturated fat stabilised as solid. Companies usually use olive oil, sunflower seed oil, cannoli oil, etc or other cheap seed oil to make margarines. They tell you it is healthy because the margarines are made with unsaturated fat but they never tell you after all the process & chemicals, margarines are actually kind of trans-fat. How can it be healthy?
@@rossmurray6849 You can try to crush peanuts and make you peanut butter. You will find it is not spreadable and does not smell like peanut butter from supermarket. The companies added lots of additives and oils like sunflower oil. Actually, you are not consuming peanuts from peanut butter but heaps of chemicals.
They touched on coconut oil ,but she semed to brush it aside as a no-go.including butter and red meat .And while she approves soya oil,would that include the dodgy and untested GM soya i oil -so prevalent in the US ? A Zoe discussion on GM would be interesting
Coconut oil makes me very ill, so does palm oil. Turns out both of them are known to affect inflammation in the body. As someone who suffers from an inflammatory illness, it made sense why I struggled to process it. I eat mainly olive oil, avocado n a bit of butter. I do sometimes cook with canola, but only in very small amounts. I do not react to these types of fats, just animal fats found in beef, pork and lamb, and Coconut n Palm oil.
The prevailing opinion of the majority of the medical profession which is not hunting for clicks on the internet is that the MOST important thing for whether fats are healthy is how much of the total fats are saturated. You want that to be low. Saturated fats increase risks of heart disease and unsaturated, both mono- and poly lower risks of heart disease. So ranking from worse to best by percentage saturated is: palm oil 90%, coconut oil 80%, butter (all dairy) 60%, cocoa butter 60%, pork fat 50%, lamb 45%, beef 40%, chicken 35%, and then every other plant is less than 20%. Then you should prefer to have as many traces of antioxidants (Vitamin E and phytosterols) as possible. All animal foods have none of those. Cold pressed and extra virgin plant oils will have most. This podcast suggests the losses of beneficial micronutrients while manufacturing more highly processed seed oils is less than most people would expect. But less of a good thing does not mean what is left is bad. Personally I do not fear GM soya beans but if I did I would be worried about tofu, tempeh, and other foods containing soya beans - but not oil extracted from those beans. The oil contains virtually no genetic material, DNA or RNA, so the GM may change the beans but not the oil extracted from beans.
@@rossmurray6849 Read up on Ancel Keys and HOW he vilified animal fat and dairy products - and WHY he did that. Which info did he refuse to look at and why.
I think the first thing you should say before proceeding further is to make a disclaimer that Professor Sarah Berry has never been sponsored by seed-oil companies in her research and her academic works.
You know seed oils are like one of the worst things you can put in your body right? lol. Check out my comment I have debunked the whole video very well. If you care about your health, which you must because you are here in the comments, you can do so much better than this health advice.
I totally avoid palm oil (despite living for many years where most of it is grown, in Indonesia and Malaysia) because about 90% of the fats it contains are saturated. I totally avoid coconut oil for the same reason: about 80% of the fats it contains are saturated.
Why promote ultra-processed / ultra-refined oils Zoe? Heart disease timeline strongly correlates with smoking and vegetable oil. not with saturated fat that is more stable and hardly oxidizes.
@@Hankydoodle1 Her opinion is not very different than what a person would believe to be true from what they hear from public health authorities. Quite different than being a Galileo.
this information is so wrong and out of date… Cholesterol is vital to human life and cell integrity… it’s the oxidised cholesterol that is bad caused by excessive sugar. Saturated fat is the most stable and your body makes it … not polyunsaturated fats…
Since the extra virgin olive oil became so expensive, I have started using cold-pressed rapeseed oil. I've had no negative effects this far. I have lost 5-6 kilos (10-12 pound), but I don't know there is a connection. I use the olive oil in sallads and the rapeseed oil for cooking.
I've been consuming seed oil and processed food with seed oil my entire life and I've felt like crap for most of it. It wasn't until I stopped consuming seed oil when I started to lose weight and felt great like I did when I was a child. You don't have to "listen to the experts" to find out if seed oils are bad or not. Just do your own experiment, consume seed oils for a month and then do a month without seed oils. I'm 100% certain you will notice a difference. I have no clue why someone would be pro seed oil nowadays without receiving some kind of financial incentives.
Yeah, of course it was because of the seed oils and not because of the crap which happens to have seed oils in it. I don't get how you people are able to breathe
@@AlphaHoneyBadgerit’s the industrial processing of food stuffs and seed oils. Those seed oils that are not cold pressed are ultra processed by heat, and chemicals as she describes.
Don’t forget someone is making money out of Zoe, or they’d left it be available FOC……
Seed oils are nasty industrially processed crap. Luckily, you've cut them out of your diet.
Sponsored by Big pharma ?
Industrially extracted oils, like Mechanically Recovered Meat… are highly profitable, and recover every last bit of product, but as someone very familiar with industrial chemical extraction using pentane and hexane, the extraction process is SO efficient, that it will ALSO extract toxic compounds that would otherwise have been left behind, and under natural circumstances, humans with their little teeth and single stomach, would never be able to extract by chewing, nor would they ingest them in any toxic quantities, EXCEPT where industrial extraction was involved. The whole deodorisation and bleaching process is to hide these undesirable chemicals that our noses would detect is a symptom of the problem she is dismissing without a full molecular spectra of what has been extracted, reliant on what the truthful industrial producers tell her. Is she that naive? I don’t hate her, she raises good points on omega 3 and clotting etc, but I expected much more from a Zoe guest.
This video is a disgrace to the scientific process, and just as much involved in misinformation as the youtubers mistaking correlation for causation. It should have had peer review before publication by the likes of Dr Robert Lustig, Dr Nadir Ali, Dr Aseem Malhotra, people who put good science above all else.
Also talks about LDL “BAD” cholesterol, another myth put out by the multibillion dollar statin industry.
Your brain is largely made of cholesterol, as are all your nerves, you need LDL for your cell membranes, you need it to fight infection…!
Now ZOE could comment on LDL, the other good cholesterol!
Here are some interesting videos from a cardiologist (there are others, a Texas cardiologist Dr Jamnadas on youtube also puts out his teaching hospital videos, and worth inviting)
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ua-cam.com/video/Y_JcZSRSBHg/v-deo.html
canola
ua-cam.com/video/_xJtlQH8Q88/v-deo.html
ldl the other good cholesterol
ua-cam.com/video/iOwfhFWUwhE/v-deo.html
I’d rather here from a cardiologist who has performed stents and determined that they will not prevent future adverse events, and if LDL is the cause of the fire and not the retardant foam… why do plaques only appear in arteries… the high pressure system, not in veins, but they do appear in veins grafted into arteries.
Giving up seed oils has been one of the best things I have done for better health and an overall sense of well-being.
I ended up with so much digestive pain, discomfort, other horrible side effects from consuming so much saturated fats and abandoning seed oils. The brainwash is so strong with the right wing nut case seed oil obsession. I am finally recovering after I gave up most of the saturated fat (just a tiny bit ghee here and there) and went back to regular oils. Pain is slowly going away.
One of the most eye opening experiences is when you dig into the terrible state of most food products on the shelves of supermarkets. Shopping becomes interesting when you realise that about 80% of the stock in a typical outlet isn't good.
Every single reason you have given for using these oils has hardened my desire to never have them in my diet except in their natural form of nuts and seeds.
Smart…
Yes. I am not sure whey we cannot just eat the real food nuts and seeds without heating them. I wonder if this person works for the industry and it is not being disclosed here. Why not use olive oil? I am not comfortable with these oils and they produce volatile compounds when heated. I would not feed this to my family iether. It sounds like she is comfortable eating them and feeding her family in this way. There is a lot of content here that I do not agree with on the ZOE channel. She does not address the issue of volatile compounds and it is possible on the limited measures the indsutry looks at the oils look fine. No one is going to create a study to look at things that would make their product look bad or inferior. The measures in the study are critical to look at and they may not be measuring the bigger picture most people are concerned about. Something might not kill you today but it could seed cancer over the long haul and this is not part of the study even if it is a randomized control trial.
@@SL-1985 first look into how rct's are carried out and how they are reviewed, before posting your nonsense please.
@@SL-1985 In almost every podcast Zoe promotes eating real food & olive oil. This video is aimed at the misinformation that these wellness-evangelical (Often LCHF) grifters spread. Personally I'm sticking to olive oil and real food. Regardless this is very interesting & informative. Maybe I'll cook (high heat) with certain seed oils to save $ after hearing this.
@@jschreiber6461 Not
"Don't consume ultra-processed foods" except for seed oils that go through 15 industrial processes to be edible......
Not if organic cold pressed
@@louisejackson1968...and how many of them are???
@@louisejackson1968 It depends on the pressure applied by the press. A high powered industrial cold press to max profits will get the toxic compounds out together with your oil. That’s why she was roughly right when saying there was little difference. Eating and crushing with your teeth, or extracting in a little family business with a hand crank would be ok. Think about why French wine growers once produced the best wines by crushing grapes with feet, to avoid excess pressure bringing out the undesirable compounds. The same principle applies, and varies on the seed/plant.
@@louisejackson1968 So is there a cold pressed version of cotton seed, corn, soybean oils?
@@budlaumer you didn't specify in your comment, you can't cherry pick now. And, please, tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Hm. So. I've watched a video on seed oils being prepared and it was pretty gross. Then we had Tim telling us to avoid ultra processed food, including seed oils. Personally I got a whole lot better health when I ditched the seed oils and my LDL is very low with an excellent ratio with the HDL. The science seems a bit mixed when you google and we've been hearing 'experts' for years who end up apologising and getting it wrong (hello eggs, butter etc). On balance I think I'll continue avoiding seed oils thanks.
it’s almost as though the oil industry sent her to get their oils back in peoples diet.. ???
@@naturallysimple4938they've certainly managed to get her on board.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Absolutely agree. I'm 1000% better since I ditched seed oil. Not only is Tim Spector spot on in his books, but most Functional Medicine doctors say exactly the same. I'm grateful for the advice, and would advise anyone not to use any seed oil.
Her evidence for why there is no health risk to heating seed oils (39:10) is mad. "I actually did a randomised control trial many years ago
that I’d actually forgotten about until I was thinking about this podcast yesterday and this is a study that I conducted at Kings with 19 healthy males”. How can you extrapolate from such a narrow study over a few days to say that there is no risk!
Exactly. No one is claiming that there is an instant toxic effect. If there were, there wouldn't be any debate. As an analogy, people who are 100 pounds heavier at age 60 than they were at 20 only needed to store a net 24 calories a day, which would be undetectable in a short study, which would show "no statistical significance in weight gain".
PUFAs, once stored in fat cells, are reluctant to be released for fuel (and the mitochondria go on a slowdown when they are the main fuel), having a half-life of about 4 years. If a person manages to never get overweight with a high-PUFA diet, then perhaps they have avoided most of its problems, but anyone who is storing PUFA in large amounts is going to have an EXTRA hard time losing weight.
That's nutrition science for you!
@@auntyjo1792yep, all a scam
Would love to read your study. Feel free to post the reference, or even better, a link!
@@benphillips3734 You want to see a study proving what exactly?
I don’t need to bring you hate Sarah. It is really helpful to listen to your counter arguments and debunking and listening carefully to the number of caveats you provide which in fact make the argument NOT to consume seed oil even more compelling and this coupled with you being seemingly completely unaware of your own evidence. Or you are fully aware but have some conflict of interest going on here!
Totally agree. This is the *_most unconvincing video_* in this podcast I've seen so far based on the following:
1) They said that the refinery process of seed oils didn't make them unhealthy.
a) They have repeatedly suggested us to avoid refined olive oil and choose extra virgin olive oil. But suddenly refinery process is okay for seed oils? How come?
2) Hexane, the substance used in the refinery process is a derivative of petroleum. Hexane is bad to be consumed. Could they be so sure that there is no Hexane at all left in the final product of refined seed oils?
c) Heating oil until it smokes in cooking is okay? Why? There is certainly chemical processes happening because the changing form from liquid to gas and it is not reversible. Burnt foods (e.g burnt meat) are changing form and become carcinogen, but when it comes to oils it is suddenly okay? There must be a change of molecules composition from liquid to gas and it wasn't explained in the video, neither was the impact of the change.
d) Cold press seed oils before refinery have low smoke points, but after refinery they have much higher smoke points. Thus, there must be some changes happened in the molecular level. The video doesn't explain the changes and their impact to our body. The video just said it was still healthy, without explaining the detail.
2) The test of consuming used seed oils and test the impact on the body 8 hours later is very unconvincing, because:
a) The waiting period between the consumption of used seed oils and the test is too short. There are a lot of substances which are bad for our health of which impact could only be seen after years or decades of consumption. Teflon in cooking utensils is one example. If I used a teflon pan to cook an omellete and eat that omellete now, you won't see the bad impact of the teflon 8 hours later. Smoking cigarette is another example. If I smoke now, most likely I wouldn't get a lung cancer by tomorrow.
b) They said that the test of consuming used seed oils didn't show negative impact, but still suggest us to avoid repeat use of cooking oils (of any kinds). It is very contradictive.
Wonder if Zoe will be bringing out a cooking oil soon 👀
@@elizabethash3247 My speculation is they had got a request from a government's body or an industry organization to promote seed oils, to change poeple's consumption from olive oils to seed oils. The UK has been struggling with their economy due to Brexit. A Cambridge report released at the beginning of 2024 mentioned that there had been 2 millions jobs lost up to 2023 due to Brexit. Unlike olive oils, seed oils are produced locally in the UK. I could see the government or an industrial organization requested Zoe to promote seed oils while appealing to their patriotism as fellow Brits.
@@tiararoxeanne1318yes! So many agendas being pedalled by Zoe principals. Fed Amati saying if you’re not celiac don’t worry about wheat when so many people have major issues with wheat and not testing as celiac. Tim Spector saying all kinds of mad things and then changing his mind. But I expect the drivers which generate £££‘s will be the ones to watch out for. Very disturbing.
Seed oils are garbage. Terrible headline.
Seed oils are an ultra processed food which we should be avoiding
Tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Have you actually watched the whole video and listened to it? It seems not.
Yeah ur right organic cold pressed seed oils are healthy❤❤
You don't need animal fats
@@kimbertossa3094 do you ever have an original thought in that little brain of yours?
I tried eating food prepared with seed oils for a month and was shocked that I had gained a significant amount of weight! Since then, I started cooking my own food by avoiding seed oils and felt much better and stop gaining weight.
So you started cooking your own food, which means you could regulate how much fat was in your food and you stopped gaining weight. The law of thermodinamics is truly incredible. Has nothing to do with the type of oil you use, though.
@@shinshintei1739 it's the fat that made you fat
@@AlphaHoneyBadgerLuckily, the OP doesn't care about your opinion.
@@Boababa-fn3mr Guess that happens when people listen to chiropractors pretending to be doctors or if you're part of a brainless cult. :D
Seriously, gaining or losing weight is the one and only thing for which you can say with certainty that all oils are exactly the same!
Seed oils ... straight in the bin. Sticking with butter.
I remember Tim saying seeds oils were bad
Where did he say that?
@@awolf913 Several videos back. I can't remember when but I do remember him saying it.
If we turn purely to biochemistry:
- sunflower, rapeseed, vegetable oils are polyunsaturated fats and when they are exposed to oxygen, they easily damage -> not healthy
- polyunsaturated fats are prone to becoming free radicals (when these fats are heated, electrons can be lost -> become free radicals). Then this further reacts with oxygen in the air over the cooking pan -> becomes even more damaging. The damaged fats formed will be incorporated into the cell membrane.
- so the conclusion is that polyunsaturated fats should be kept in dark glass bottles in fridge - never used for cooking
Indeed, omega 3 and omega 6 FA double bonds are equally reactive when exposed to air/oxygen and this reaction is promoted/accelerated by light and heat. Epoxidation also happens at the single double bond of oleic acid. However, these reactions ae not as fast as often claimed and we had to subject the oils to very drastic conditions, way beyond what would be encountered during cooking something in a frying pan with a seed oil, before traces of double bond changes could be detected. The frying conditions encountered in fast food outlets are somewhat different and can be more drastic since the water vapour released from the food foams up the oil, which creates a much larger surface area exposed to a mixture of air and steam and this is not a one-off exposure since the same oil is used repeatedly.
Thanks, but no thanks. Feel free to consume all the seed oils you like Sarah.
Shocking, that she added repeated heating makes no difference to health out comes, yet added that one Should try to use fresh oil....they are hiding something. Who Is being fooled????
And your view is based on what science?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121934
It's not the oil. It's the oxidized oil. And if you think the oil hasn't oxidized a bit after spending months sitting around waiting to be sold, well...
@@sauercarey that argument doesn’t hold up. Oxidisation in the form of oxidised LDL isn’t the cause of health problems but rather Apob carrying LDL levels in the bloodstream. If anything seed oils with linoleic acid have shown health benefits if anything.
6:21 Her explanation of how the seed oils are processed is enough for me to stick with evoo & avocado oil. Solvents, bleaches & chemicals oh my! 😂😂
How can you be sure your evoo and avocado oil are not adulterated with these toxic oils? 🤷♂️
@@DomDeDom Gotta research the brand. Costco has a couple that have been tested to be clean, for example. But sticking to animal-fats are much safer: butter, bacon grease, lard, tallow. Much healthier and safer. 💖
Hexane is the common solvent used to extract oil from soybeans and other oilseeds. However, the reason why it is allowed is that it evaporates from the oil mash during processing.
@@devdroid9606 for olive oil the concern isn't hexane but seed oils added to make it cheap.
@@devdroid9606 also anybody who's made hash oil would know that sometimes you gotta use some of the bad "chemicals" to get the good "chemicals" that you want haha. It's just like cleaning something with Isopropyl alcohol, you just need to make sure it all evaporates and you're good to go
Lol 🤣 if you look at the comments to what Sarah is saying they don't believe what she is saying. We don't need to have seed oil's to be healthy and if we don't have them we won't be un healthy.
This interview barely skimmed on people with high cholesterol, but what I find unforgivable is completely ignoring people with fatty liver (which is the vast majority of the western world). Nevermind diabetics!!!
So this episode just serves as a reminder that studies are only done on really healthy people, as any health issues/co-morbidities are considered disqualifying for the purposes of studies. Meanwhile I'm going to continue to suggest to everyone outside of their 20s years of age to stay well away from seed oils until these so-called studies include the people they're supposed to help. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the healthy people don't need to be concerned with seed oils themselves, but that's always a small percentage of the adult population unfortunately.
Most supermarket brands of oils go through terrible 15 processes: chemical extraction, chemical treatment, chemical removal of odor, bleaching, extraction with very high heat…. You just mentioned them all, how is these oils (highly processed) still healthy?!? Can you think of any food that can remain healthy after so many chemical processes?!? 😂😂😂 what a joke
You are probably in the US, but nonetheless buy cold pressed oil. In fact use EVOO, organic raw coconut oil or beef dripping depending on use.
@@l3eatalphal3eatalpha Are you aware that coconut oil is about 80% saturated and beef dripping about 40% saturated?
@@rossmurray6849 Thank you, yes. All fats solid at lower temperatures are saturated, but it doesn't bother me.
Polyunsaturated oils should never be exposed to heat it destroys the beneficial affects.
@@rossmurray6849 Sarah Berry advocates the out of date view that saturated fats are a cause of CVD. I have posted links to some very recent large meta analyses debunking these ideas but they are always deleted on Zoe.
Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, or what the motivation is? A few weeks ago you had Tim giving another wonderful talk about the wonders of olive oil and now you have Sarah on her own with no counter argument spruiking that seed oils are not that bad. They are the foundation of so many health issues and most corporations are quite happy to keep poisoning consumers for the sake of the bottom line.
Dr Brad Stannfield, also a VERY reliable source of info.,as he only goes by randomised controlled trials and meta analyses ( always evidence based approach) also made a video a day ago in favour of seed oils and disputing the majority negative view of seed oils..so in agreement eith Sarah.
If not 'evidence based', it's just a personal opinion and no good to anyone.
There is also plenty of evidence that omega 6 oils are inflamatory and tend to out balance our requirement for omega 3. In general though, PUFAs are unstable and should be avoided for cooking. Sadly vegetable oils are used to deep fry.
Lets NOT forget "Publication Bias" .... Also good to remember ,our own MHRA is 86% funded bu Big Pharma !!!
@@chazwymani will bite. Give the pmids of the RCT studies in humans (not mice, not monkeys, not rabbits etc) showing seed oils /Linoleic Acid/Omega6 increased inflammation. Right here right now, show it. And thenni will show you the meta analyses which prove that linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory markers in humans.
@@chazwyman literally debunked in the video
@@colsylvester639 Not debunked, although most people seem to be falling for it. 🤡
I wonder who funds the research? I stopped using seed oils 3 years ago & now use extra virgin olive oil & butter from grass fed cows. The videos I’ve seen of how these seed oils are produced is gross. No thanks. And the continuing use of the term “bad cholesterol” does my head in.
Agree. Also, it’s worth googling ‘who funds the research at Kings College?’
@@13Pandam The 2019 Kings College research into IE fats was funded by among others, Coca-Cola,nabisco, PepsiCo, Sainsbury’s, M&S, DuPont, mondelez, Nabim, Nestle and Unilever.
@@jgreen9361 surely an olive is a fruit and only the flesh is used, not the pit.
@@jgreen9361 google it!😉
@@jgreen9361 Aside from the fact that it's a fruit, it is 'cold-pressed' and unprocessed. Unfortunately, those who live in the US have a harder time getting unpolluted EVOO since it is often bogus.
Seriously, there is not one comment agreeing with anything she says. Massive own-goal for Zoe? Find a better Nutrition Doctor to win people back.
The British Nutrition Foundation is a lobby group funded by the food industry (wiki). As Sarah provides courses and is funded by the BNF, there are suggestions of a confict of interest as a minimum, as well as inaccuracies pointed out elsewhere in the podcast content.
Is that so? That explains why she is speaking such BS -
My gut feeling, ie life experience was whispering since the beginning of this video: COI, COI, COI (conflict of interest). I went into video description and found none declared. Then I went to comments, and found rhus one. Thanks for that. Such a propaganda video one does not do for free, that's what life tought me, and I was right.
I'm cooking with lard and tallow and will continue to do so.
Which is completely irrelevant to this video.
You are free to jack up your LDLc and ApoB and enjoy the 1 million years bonus years added to life (not). Carnitards are so predictable
@@lauriesmith7517no it isn’t
I see you are trying hard to take years off your life instead of striving for longevity and health. A pity.
@@Kristers_K keep on using franken-oils and you’ll get there long before I do! 😆
You just an olive oil expert on your show who said seed oil wasn’t good for you.
If you want seeds in your diet, just eat the seeds. I think we've heard this before with fruit juice.
Great analogy!
@@yvonne3903 is olive oil a seed oil
Don't eat pizza - eat whole tomatoes, stalks of wheat, and drink milk.
Oooo most contentious podcast yet. May I suggest getting on a “no seed oil advocate” and having a bit of a debate? Max Lugavere perhaps? It could bring back some trust…??
Please stop talking about LDLcholesterol as bad cholesterol. This myth has been debunked by researchers who are truly independant. See Ben Bikman's work.
Why would indépendant researchers be more trustworthy than the mainstream ones? They could be misled deluded quacks. Beware of the self proclaimed genius who makes his bread on contrarianism.
People are still unsure, partly because their doctors still give dire warnings about fat.
How about we just eat natural foods we know are good for us rather than stuff that ‘might be ok based on the current evidence’ 😃
I don’t leave comments either, but listening to this episode I agree with everyone else, my thought was, is her science and research backed by the seed oil companies.
Interesting. It would be interesting to see you interview Dr Catherine Shanahan MD, author of Dark Calories: How Vegetable Oils Destroy Our Health and How We Can Get It Back. The declining health in the industrialized world cardinally tracks with seed oil consumption. Correlation is not causation but her arguments go well beyond that. There is so much new science that no individual or group can keep up with it so it would be informative to see her and Professor Berry discuss it.
Shanahan is interesting but goes off into hyperbolae that dilutes her message. Dr Robert Lustig does a better job
@@jschreiber6461 No better way to expose hyperbole than debate.
Another factor that Professor Berry didn't mention was that most Canola and other seed oils in the US are contaminated with glyphosate and pesticides that are banned in Europe.
@@nowayjose6700 Yup, or that using solvent extraction (pentane or hexane) not only extracts all the oil, but also all the fat soluble toxic compounds that can then accumulate in your fatty tissues, poisoning you over years. It’s one of the reasons why fat cells contribute to cancer.
Didn't mention that there are 2 omega 3. 3 and 3s from oily fish and the omega 3 from veg, ala conversion rate is very poor. The oils degrade over time, oxidation at room temperature was not discussed.
The conversion rate is very poor if at all.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
@lauriesmith7517 watched it, all waiting to see how restricted what they would say, and it was poor.
What we got was
1. Seed oils are great because they have so much Omega6!
2. As long as you have enough Omega3, it doesn't matter how much Omega6 you have
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Zoe you have done yourself in with this one
I would suggest that you go to a seed oil manufacturing plant and see and smell their production. I worked close to a manufacturing plant and stopped using them after seeing how it was produced.
seed oils have a 4 year half life in the body, now we have upto 30%in the early 1900 it was 1%.
Totally captured. I'm now questioning all the info on this channel.
only now?
I agree, I find a lot of the info very suspect on this channel
@@AndrewBuckleBookReviews then why on earth are you here? SMH
The food industrie is spending a lot of money for that advertising.
I researched today and Zoe’s new investors are all venture capital companies that also have investments in processed food companies. Some making processed meat free products and diary free cheese so should Zoe now declare that they have a conflict of interest ?
It is not nonsense Lady. Seed oils are not good. I cook daily since 12. I am 61 and cooking from coconut oil,ghee, olive oil(salads) seaseme not roasted, avocado once in a while and that's what works for my family and I.
Cold pressed is the way to go.
I suggest that the one knowing you better than anyone else, any industry, any doctor, is yourself. Try and pay attention in what is good for you.
Wanted to add, I can tell when seed oils are used vs non. I was given an olive and it tasted gross. Turns out it had seed oil in the jar. It makes my stomach churn in a sour way no matter what product. So no thank you
What does she mean, when she says we eat more palm oil than anything else?! If you avoid processed foods, then you don't eat any! Butter, ghee, even lard is better than processed seed oils. Your brain needs fats, particularly medium chain triglycerides found in coconut oil. Feed your brain! Always go for cold pressed olive oil or avocado oil. Why would you consume an oil that has a solvent added to extract more oil? Sarah said her views might change in 5 years when more studies come out. I'd rather avoid the heavily processed oils now and stick to the natural method of extraction. Also, meat and saturated fat and cholesterol is not bad for you, it's healthier, ie the paleo keto diet.
If you think meat is healthy you should watch the documentary What The Health, eye opening
I think when she says we we should take it to mean people collectively, as a whole, roughly. I don't think it means you or I, her family etc. Seems obvious, really
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I eat very little ultra-processed food. I love to cook at home using fresh, whole ingredients and have the opportunity to choose which form of fat/oil I use which predominantly means EVOO. I keep sunflower, avocado, and sesame oils as well as butter/lard on hand for a few recipes. Because my diet is 10% or less ultra processed, I don’t worry much about the occasional other fat/oil I might encounter. For those who are sensitive to particular ingredients, by all means avoid them in your diet. I appreciate having the information provided in the podcast. Thank you!
I'm almost inclined to think that this may be sponsored by those companies that make seed oils and that there is a level of biased reporting here.
Exactly what I thought 😮
I agree. I'd like to know who funds her studies. Also, Zoe should have mentioned that there are no conflicts with her.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Was that the sound of you looking through randomised clinical trials trying to find something which disproved the thesis of the video?
It's possible that seed oils only effect people with IBS and food intolerance. It's disappointing that Zoe is claiming to debunk the evidence we have repeatedly tested. My experiments have shown even small amouts of seed oils effect my IBS. It was years before I noticed that all the non dairy milks were all loaded with seed oil as a preservative and stopping them was the last step in fixing my IBS. My current diet using olive oil keeps my IBS under control.
The real experts are in the comment section 🙂
That's really funny! But really a sign of our times, when idiots are considered experts and the real experts are ignored. The comments are no surprise!
@@George-z4d Yay, someone I agree with!
@@George-z4d Enjoy these oils!
I think you’ll find most actual experts do not share her opinion.
@@alisoninchausti1080 Really? So her being a professor and researcher teaching nutrition and medicine at King's College London does not make her an "actual expert"? Come on! Give your head a shake!
I couldn't quite make up my mind about Zoe until now. This video made me look a bit deeper at Zoe. Dr Berry is their head of nutrition science research. Zoe seem to be still deeply enmeshed in the decades old 'saturated fat bad, cholesterol bad' falacy.
I've unsubscribed
As Dr. Eric Westman would say, Always considere the source. Zoe is vegetarian leaning, so would not tell you how beef tallow, butter or animal fat is good for you. Also consider cholesterol is essential for us to live😊😊
You know it! Yup ZOE is a very biased channel
As long as you have adequate omega 3 oils, say from oily fish twice a week( low in mercury such as salmon, sardines, anchovies), seed oils ARE safe.
As for the 'cholesterol is essential' stuff...yes it IS and that is why EVERY CELL in our body can make it's own cholesterol!
No, it’s more Mediterranean diet based which has the most research to back up it’s claim on an overall close to optimum diet.
i like Zoe, broadly, but i'm troubled by the way that, when it comes down to it, the pleasant and knowledgeable sarah berry (and the american doctor) always seems to come down on the side of the industrial food process (with qualifications) - my 'gut' instinct is that this is wrong and that is what i will act on. The basic idea that whole-foods are best, made sense to me from the 1970s - it was heavily attacked from the late 1970s - and tim spector doesn't seem to acknowledge that his current stress on whole-foods is much the same as the case made by the healthy food ecological and nutritional arguments of the 1960s and 1970s ('hippies' and people like rose elliott and many others) - though there have been, of course, some improvements in understanding.
I would like to know who sponsored her research
😁
The F&B industry for sure.
The internet is so funny lol. It's become a cult for nutrition. These comments are funny
Seems like everybody if a scientist/Professor these days.
I just don't know what to do. Everyone is so sure of themselves.
@@Bargeonin Just eat Whole foods, no alcohol and smoking, move enough, don't stress about everything, drink water and limit "useless" calories like oil to a necessary minimum. There are good videos on how to cook with less fat/oil. That's it. Everyone who "made it" will actually tell you something along those lines.
@@Bargeonin
I'm a Clinical Pharmacist and I say ONLY go by proper randomised controlled clinical studies..
watch latest video by Dr Brad Stanfield. Nough said.
@@Bargeonin think for your self , my rule of thumb is use real whole foods and if a food has to go through some crazy process that cant be done in my kitchen i wont be eating it, also look at how much healthier people looked before they started the war on fat and everything had to be low fat , people used to consume way more fat and they used to be way slimmer look at pics of the beach on the 70 vs now
After listening, I still think reduced oil consumption regardless of how it's used is in the best interest of everyone. Sure, season with it if it means you'll eat your greens. Or have the odd deep-fried what-ever as a treat now and then. But stick to whole-foods as much as possible daily for the best health outcomes.
I have a question. I get correlation is not causation but isn't the same true for positive outcomes. For example when observing that seed oil consumption is associated to good health outcomes is that Randomized controlled studies in general or just association. Because there can be a "healthy subject" bias here as well. For example someone listening to ZOE and ingesting seed oils may become healthier but the average ZOE viewer is probably a healthy conscious person anyway (eating well, exercise etc.) Furthermore, until we find seed oils are the fountain of youth isn't it more prudent (out of abundance of caution) to avoid them and use say olive oil while experts still disagree? I mean seed oil is not an essential nutrient right?
I thought this podcast was giving opinions based on results of RCTs and epidemiological studies. It also seemed clear that sticking to extra virgin olive oil is an ideal option for those who can afford it.
Two caveats to that, I think. One is you may need some other oil with a higher smoke point for some types of cooking.
The other is where will you get your Omega-3s, which ARE an essential nutrient.
I buy cod liver oil from a pharmacy and one tablespoon per week gives me enough of the long-chain Omega-3s which otherwise the body must make, inefficiently, from ALA. That is MUCH cheaper than the fish oil capsules.
I think people need to chill out a bit. If you are trying to determine whether or not you should eat a product on a regular basis by the text on the packaging, you need to start eating real food again. She is simply trying to undemonize seed oil and subsequently the omega 6 fatty acids in which you need to survive. I too have greatly reduced my seed oil intake, but that is because I stopped eating high-margin, low-quality, dead food. I also fell into the trap of demonizing seed oil, but I don't find myself avoiding it anymore, because 80% of my diet is whole fruits, vegetables, unprocessed meats, nuts/seeds, beans/legumes and hard cheeses. Guess what? I have my own success story of losing a lot of weight and generally feel better including mental health. If I suddenly cannot obtain an apple or pepper without it being injected with seed oil, then yeah I am grabbing my pitchfork!
The thing is, it is nearly impossible NOT to get enough omega-6. Even the foods that are low in it have more than enough. They are only called "essential" because the body does not make polyunsaturated fats from other fats, so it is essential that they are in the diet, but it is not essential to get more than exists already in any whole food diet.
"Essential" is a technical term; not a directive that it is "essential" to find concentrated sources of it!
@@johnsheehy4192exactly ... metabolised omega 6 causes a huge amount of oxidative stress. It's a structural/functional fat.
The important thing is the ratio between omega 6 and omega 3. Ideally it should be 1:1. I don't know the stats for the UK but in the US it's like 25:1.
Furthermore Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory. Canola/rapeseed oil is being closely monitored in Europe for a reason.
Personally I only use extra virgin olive oil and extra virgin avocado oil.
It would be great if Zoe made a video called: "Saturated fats are not evil" - I would very much watch it.
Speaking of evil fats: trans fats are the ones to stay away from.
@@kierlak Most of this is driven by the "animal agriculture is destroying the planet" ideological nonsense, based on the practice of feeding ruminants annual-crop sillage in depleting soils instead of perrenial grasses and the high-quality soil they build from CO2 and methane.
While we're at it, why not bring back toxic Crisco to our diet🧐🤦♂
Certainly there is something in Crisco that our bodies can't produce on their own
Stop watching when she said "saturated fat is bad but polyusaturated is good"
My argument is, since trans-fat is bad. polyunsaturated fat has high tendency to change to trans-fat, saturated fat has not.
I've also given up all seed oils 2 months ago, increased by other fat and fat intake and I feel amazing!
Do you know what drives me insane?
Y’all telling me to put something in my body which was produced in an unnatural and toxic process.
Talk about misinformation.
Y’all are crazy.
Since when is eating an oil that was processed with lethal chemicals healthy.
Zoe; y’all just lost the plot.
Not all things that are natural are good for you and not all unnatural form foods are necessarily bad for you.
THAT SHOWS PERFECTLY HOW SOMETHING TOXIC CAN TURNED TO BE HEALTHY BY THE POWER OF MONEY.
Ever heard of maniok and potatoes? Toxic raw but being processed for centuries to be edible.
In the conversation seed oils claimed to be healthy because is can lower LDL. But does lower LDL be healthy?
Yes.
@@stefanwohnig65not necessarily
No. Phytosterols artificially reduce LDL. When we quit using seed oils, our LDL returns to a normal healthy level. That's not a raise in real terms. We need cholesterol for a healthy brain, making hormones and Vit D, making cells. Supposedly heart healthy spreads have now been shown to be worse than butter for the heart in the long term. Very disappointed with Zoe these days. Instead, Take a look at talks by Dr Paul Mason about LDL, he explains the science really well. DoctorsToTrust is a great resource - small bites of talks by many experts in their own fields of neuroscience, biochemistry, medicine..... eloquent speakers who are actually seeing results as their own patients reverse chronic metabolic bad health, all backed up with studies, charts, evidence.
It’s interesting how many people in the comments say they quit seed oils, lost weight and felt better. I think that says more than Sarahs 10 day study and it’s affect on bio markers.
It's a horrific video. I debunked it with a long comment if you can find it
Yes. Her study seemed rather too weak to be worthy of mention. Healthy young students as her “guinea pigs” probably (as is often the case!) Not exactly a typical population study.
There are any number of diets that people will go on and say they feel better afterwards, and a lot of that is just because the human body adapts to try and restore homeostasis. There are many strong proponents of the carnivore diet, other low carb diets, fad diets, etc. because of this, even if they have no or low quality evidence of long term benefit or even safety.
Lost interest when it became about the producer and not rhe consumer (efficiency). I'll be sticking to olive oil and avoiding "oil industry products"
i would recommend animal fat instead, olive oil still has moderate amounts of polyunsaturated fat (20%) and it is like honey in that it is one of the most doctored foods in the world. You will also have more nutrients in animal fat especially if it's a good source like grass fed beef dripping or butter or even ghee
Will she address:
1) The huge numbers of anectdotes of fair-skinned people who stopped burning in the sun when they removed polyunsaturated oils from their diets? I used to burn in 15 to 20 minutes, myself, and can be in the sun for over an hour now without sunburn?
2)The observation that people living in cultures where there is no polyunsaturated oils added to food don't get the usual diseases from smoking cigarettes at anywhere near the rate that more advanced cultures do?
That's interesting
Too true about burning, I live near the equator but i'm white British and I used to burn like toast 1 hour before sunset with no sunblock on my face, I would go red, now I don't. That was when I ditched the seed oils and switched to beef dripping, butter and ghee pretty much exclusively. I'm so grateful to myself that I did that. My chance of developing skin cancer in the future is greatly reduced just by doing that alone
THEY ARE EVERYWHERE---AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM! I Wonder how much was she paid by Crisco, and the other oil brands. I dare her to Ingest these oils every single day, and doument it. That is when she will have some credibility.
Crisco is hydrogenated, watch the show.
Not even close to the same thing.
@@peanutnutter1 CRISCO was the mother of all seed oils! You know, when they were still using the same oil you like--- FOR FORD CARS !!!!
@@DerekLaugann Do you understand the difference between partially and fully hydrogenated? Or oil vs shortening? Crisco is a brand that sells both vegetable oil and shortening. She was referring to the Crisco with fully hydrogenated palm oil (saturated fat) which is a shortening, not an oil. It is a solid at room temperature. It's used as a substitute for lard or tallow, which were also used for lubrication of machinery. Crisco contains 29% saturated fat (mostly from hydrogenated palm oil). Lard contains 39% saturated fat. Tallow contains 50% saturated fat. Crisco has zero trans fat according to the USDA while tallow has between 5 and 7% trans fat. Yes, cattle make trans fats naturally.
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I’m trying to dig deep into what companies paid for this research.
ZOE thinking they have the final word on this is laughable.
I love Zoe, and Tim. What Sarah is saying is not good advice however. For many reasons already listed in these comments. However I will add another reason: the "Nutrition" of seed oils is not the problem. Its the Viscosity. Seed oils are notoriously difficult to "wash", the body cannot use its own resources to either break down or wash away. The small amounts of seed oils gradually line the gut when ingested. For those that do not have a perfect diet - most of us - sugar combined with other bad microbes line the gut wall. You know the rest of the story. Whereas Extra Virgin Oil does not do this, and actually has the effect of washing away the Seed oils. Get some seed oil out of your cupboard, put on your hands, wash off with EVO. Talk about Nutrition all you like love but you're barking up the wrong tree
Appalling under reporting of the cholesterol story, no mention of small dense ldl particles oxidated and damaging to the cardiovascular system, and all its associated downstream diseases. Simply don’t consume any industrialised interfered with foods. Oils are already oxidated before you buy it.Only consume cold pressed and reduce the volume of seed oil in the diet.
This is the opposite of what the heart Dr says about polyunsaturated oil.
My questions are:
- how did Sarah Berry become a professor
- who recommended Sarah Berry to be interviewed
- where is she teaching or researching
- what is Sarah Berry's own diet like
Zoe has become a monster, he needs money by any means necessary!
While I don't find seed oils toxic, I do find that they can go rancid over time which is why I will focus on only eating the seeds themselves along with other plant based foods while only consuming fruit oils or fatty fruits and their products like coconut butter and oil, unrefined West African palm fruit oil, and shea butter, cocoa butter, and avocado and olive oils while avoiding all animal products and most ultraprocessed foods. When the guest mentions palm oil, is the guest referring to the typical refined and bleached palm oil or naturally occurring unrefined palm oil? I heard omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids mentioned but what about omega 9 fatty acids? Thank you for this episode.
I would suggest that the rest of what you do is so good that it overcomes the negative effects of the very high saturated fat content of palm and coconut oils.
I would literally choose any other plant oil over those two or products of any land animal.
@@rossmurray6849 The palm oil and coconut oil often used in products are usually refined and hydrogenated, which are definitely problematic. I am talking about coconut fat and palm fruit oils on their naturally occurring forms and the guest Sara(?) did not specifically mention what type of palm oil she researched or was examined in the study. Naturally occurring palm fruit oil has vitamin E and vitamin A as beta carotene and makes it easier for the body to absorb fat soluble vitamins and minerals like the other plant fats do.
I appreciate this interview but I to admit that I am more confused than ever.
Very wary of Zoe now.
@@francescapescehughes7854
Feeble minds...
Do some proper research ( evidence based) ...
@@19111959 I have listened to top scientist talk about the omega 3 and 6 ratio and it’s damaging affects and am out on all this sudden change of direction
Zoe never fails to disappoint
with their guests
lot of tiny hats?
Yes, very disappointing
She is not a "guest," she is a founder.
Zoe just another money making business.
So I assume this means you won't be commenting in the future? I'm wondering why so many people are coming out of the woodwork to be negative now as if this channel is continuously producing poor content. If that's the case, why stay? By your logic, isn't that the metaphorical, mental equivalent of consuming seed oils (if you think all seed oils are bad)? 🤔
Unsubscribed
@@bjenkins0344
Great!
Bye bye lol
Does this mean that fried foods are not as unhealthy as we've always been told? Are fries or chips actually no worse than a roast potato? Or potentially better as you're getting goodness from the oil?
No, it probably means that Sarah has a Big Food funding carrot dangling in front of her.
Before unsubscribing, I went to see the studies mentioned in the show notes - maybe there was science behind the claims, I thought. Nope, not at all. So, unfortunately, I will unsubscribe and carry my disappointment with me.
You can do a lot better than follow this channel. It's a veggie channel. 'seed oils=good' 'meat=bad' lol
@@samburrell3288 yep also take into account coke a cola is one of the biggest funders of studies they muddy the waters on purpose so people find it hard to work out which science studies to follow
I'm genuinely curious about what studies you have for the contrary, particularly for minimally processed seed oils.
What about new or growing evidence that cholesterol should not be being lowered??
Absolutely. Cholesterol is vital for life & especially brain health. I was put on statins 6 years ago as my cholesterol was high - it always has been. I couldn’t tolerate the side effects so came off them after a few months. Since then I’ve learned so much about cholesterol & how it actually isn’t great to be lowering it especially as you get older. I’m mid 60’s & would never touch them again in any circumstance. And when will they stop using the term “bad cholesterol” , it does my head in!
I feel that she is working from old info/ studies whilst minimising some of her own facts and ignoring new potential and interesting findings. I'm afraid that there seemed to be so many gaps that I didn't find her at all compelling. If someone uses critical thinking, this feels like gaslighting!
She hasn't caught up with that yet. Truly incredible.
How toxic is hexane?
And can it honestly be completely removed from the oilseed that it's been added to?
Yes it can be completely removed since it's so volatile. You consume a lot more hexane from car fumes daily.
FINALLY! THANK YOU. 💚I have asked your and Dr B the Gut Doctor about this. I agree with you Sarah, I made granola once and had nothing else but evoo, because of everyone saying how bad seed oils are. It tasted pretty bad. I have safflower oil as well now and I'm glad I'm in the clear. It killed me to pour 1/2c of the $23 bottle in there too!😆
I suffer badly with Ankylosing spondylitis, a spinal arthritic condition. I've been advised to avoid seed oils due to inflammation impact, subsequently it's impacting my polyunsaturated fat intake. No one, so far, has been able to help with this conundrum. Any ideas?
Diet may help to relieve the pain but root cause of rubbish between joints needs to be targeted. Probably you need a good chiropractor or a good therapist who knows things like Rife, magnetic therapy, red light therapy to cure the root cause.
My LDL went down significantly when I stopped consuming vegetable oil and started using coconut, olive and avocado oil. Omega 6 while needed are inflammatory. It needs to be countered with omega 3 which is anti inflammatory
Canola oil contains more omega 3 than any oil.
@@dou40006 What good is plant Omega-3? It is a poor fuel for mitochondria, and it only converts to EPA and DHA at very low rates, especially in peoples evolved far from the equator. Just eat EPA and DHA! They're already converted by life forms who are good at converting
John Masterjohn explains this all in great detail. Arachadonic acid from O-6 initiates the inflammatory response for wound healing and then is involved with the resolution of that same inflammatory response. O-3 lowers inflammation by lowering the immune system response to inflammation which is not ideal. He says we only need 250mg combined EPA/DHA per day.
@@rickduker4969 I wonder a lot about ALA, the common plant form of Omega-3 (especially flax, chia, walnuts). Many people praise it for health benefits, but the mitochondria do not like PUFA as fuel, and most people are horrible at converting it to EPA and DHA, so I wonder if it doesn't have a net negative in excess. Why are walnuts allegedly healthy? RCTs with dietary substitutions, or "healthy user bias" epidemiology?
Who would buy "healthy" baked or fried chips because they have Chia or Flax seeds added? How is that a selling point, when the ALA will oxidize at high temperatures?
This goes against everything that I have heard or read over the past few years. I predict that there will be a follow up video addressing this controversial topic.
It disturbs me that Tim Spector allowed this video to be released to the world knowing it contradicts prevailing food recommendations.
Have Zoe sold out to the food industry? Regrettably, I will be chary of viewing any further broadcasts.
You can build up a gold plated information and totally destroy your case with this one totally errant broadcast.
Please supply a shed load of peer reviewed study papers to back up your bizarre claims.
It started when they got their anti-keto guest on
Help! Tim Spector and Elizabeth Berger both said that seed oils were unhealthy, a few months ago, and in a nutshell said extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil were pretty much the healthiest. I was thinking signing up with zoe but am struggling with this now as there are conflicting opinions from ' professionals ' on the same podcasts. I would say, as a regular family man who is working hard to get the best healthiest diet for our family, that the more processed and tampered with etc etc a product is the more one should stay away from. I'm finding Sarah hard to trust as in a previous podcast she says coconut oil has a low smoke point which I know is the exact opposite. Where does this leave me? Basically " Help ! "
Dr Paul Mason, the Cholestrol con, Grain Brain, Metabolical, Dr Suneel Hand, read and listen to them and you will see what's going on, they will change your life. These are genuine sources of true information, fat is not harmful, saturated fat is not harmful, Take this on board and you will feel amazing!
Read my comment. ZOE is a terrible channel. I'm here for the comments only. Follow Paul Saladino, his information is the best and free. Anthony Chaffee is also very good
I can understand the part about the high flavonoid content in olive oil being better, but I'm not sure about that then meaning that other oils are bad for us, only less good. Is there are part of the video that you can link to? Is this the one? ua-cam.com/video/BiKGydHNjGc/v-deo.html
Yeah that is one of the videos 27.20, 43.45. ' how to pick the best olive oil ' ( Tim Spector ) 7.05. On re - listening to it they are not so directly damming of seed oils as I thought. I do feel the overall vibe is to move away from seed oils in general, certainly in this podcast. Sarah seems to point in the other direction which from a trust point of view is difficult as her facts appear a little inaccurate i.e coconut oil. Sten Ekberg is another one I follow regularly but even then from one to another is conflict of opinion. I want to trust zoe as they appear to be genuine but not convinced, yet. What do you think?
@@colindiffey6394 Maybe this nuance is helpful and certainly I don't deliberately consume much coconut oil as I'm moderating my lipid blood work on advice.
This is from wikipedia on coconut oil. It seems like it's the better versus best point of view.
"Marketing of coconut oil has created the inaccurate belief that it is a "healthy food".[64] Instead, studies have found that coconut oil consumption has health effects similar to those of other unhealthy fats, including butter, beef fat, and palm oil.[4] Coconut oil contains a high amount of lauric acid, a saturated fat that raises total blood cholesterol levels by increasing the amounts of both high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol.[4][65][66] Although lauric acid consumption may create a more favorable total blood cholesterol profile, this does not exclude the possibility that persistent consumption of coconut oil may actually increase the risk of cardiovascular diseases through other mechanisms,[65] particularly via the marked increase in total blood cholesterol induced by lauric acid.[66][67] Because the majority of saturated fat in coconut oil is lauric acid,[66][67] coconut oil may be preferred over partially hydrogenated vegetable oil when solid fats are used in the diet.[68]"
I'd be interested in where Sarah is getting her funding from? Zoe? Food industry?
To truly understand the impact of increased seed oil and palm oil consumption on large populations we need £000,000's for research. Unfortunately, it is the corporates, governments and food industry that have those £'s and, like the smoking industry, continue to fund research to show/headline results which support they're agenda i.e. bottom line sales and shareholders. I notice in many of the comments here that people are taking responsibility for their own health and taking the time and effort to try and experiment to see what works for them as an individual 🤔👏
Dr. Sarah Berry has a fundamental different view of saturated fats and seed oil products like margarine and their effects on the body than Dr. Tim Spector in his book 'Spoon Fed'. How can this channel continue to ignore these discrepancies and allow 2 opposed views to be aired as though they are logically consistent?
They get more financing when when Sarah sets the tone?
Has there been any studies of microplastics in seed oils? They usually come in plastic bottles.
Would love a follow-up panel interview with Sarah, Dr. Casey Means of Good Energy, & Chris van Tulleken of Ultra Processed People (all whom have been guests on Zoe).
And Dr Ken Berry and Dr Anthony Chaffee and Dr Paul Mason and Dr Zoe Harcombe for starters about the importance of eating animal foods and saturated fats, definitely not seed oils, and especially Dr Malcolm Kendrick about how the higher the LDL cholesterol the longer the life. Sarah Berry sounds like someone from decades ago before we did research on these topics. ZOE is a total scam, blind to current investigations of science. And we can do without conclusions based on a few people under Sarah Berry. Really incredible.
I used to have a kitchen-top deep fat fryer and I saw the smount of gunk build up on it over time. That was good enough evidence for me to give it the heave-ho!
You do need to clean it.
Really wonderful podcast. Thank you so much.
Raises a couple questions for me.
1 is solid sunflower marg ok for use in baking ie does that form retain the beneficial effects of the liquid oil form?
2. How does adding seeds to our diet compare with using oil? Can our bodies access the beneficial effects in the same way, or does most of it pass through our gut and out the other end?
Not an expert here but ... I stopped using all margarines some decades ago when I inspected the nutrition label on a margarine described as made from olive oil. About 25% of the fats in that margarine were saturated compared to about 15% in unprocessed olive oil.
My conclusion was that to change a liquid oil into a solid at room temperature requires the changing of some unsaturated fats into saturated ones. I do NOT want that.
Re seeds vs oils. Without a doubt, seeds are more healthy than oils because they contain protein, carbohydrates, fibre, and more of the healthy other chemicals (phytosterols, polyphenols, and antioxidants which non-scientists can use interchangeably). The main point of this podcast is that seed oils are less beneficial than seeds but not, as many on the internet claim, unhealthy.
Re pass straight through. If you look at the labels of whole peanuts and peanut butter (made with one ingredient) they would appear to be identical. They are not. The body will absorb less of everything from whole peanuts than from peanut butter. The peanuts will be feeding more of the bacteria in your gut which would make them slightly better for you. You may safely ignore this unless you're trying to restrict calories to lose weight. Then whole peanuts would be better.
Margarines are hydrogenated oil which means chemicals are added to make unsaturated fat stabilised as solid. Companies usually use olive oil, sunflower seed oil, cannoli oil, etc or other cheap seed oil to make margarines. They tell you it is healthy because the margarines are made with unsaturated fat but they never tell you after all the process & chemicals, margarines are actually kind of trans-fat. How can it be healthy?
@@rossmurray6849 You can try to crush peanuts and make you peanut butter. You will find it is not spreadable and does not smell like peanut butter from supermarket. The companies added lots of additives and oils like sunflower oil. Actually, you are not consuming peanuts from peanut butter but heaps of chemicals.
@@feelimpianist Apparently you don't trust ingredient lists on food packaging where you live. I'm not going to argue with you about that..
Margarine is horrible for you, Use butter. And best oil is olive oil.
Cook with animal fats, you won’t go wrong. Margarines made from seed oils are one molecule away from plastic.
Lmao. How many sticks of butter do you stuff yourself with daily? 😂😂😂😂 Ketovore lunatics are so predictable
Water is one molecule away from hair bleach
@@EnigmaticLucas That’s correct, both are man- made.
They touched on coconut oil ,but she semed to brush it aside as a no-go.including butter and red meat .And while she approves soya oil,would that include the dodgy and untested GM soya i oil -so prevalent in the US ? A Zoe discussion on GM would be interesting
Coconut oil makes me very ill, so does palm oil. Turns out both of them are known to affect inflammation in the body. As someone who suffers from an inflammatory illness, it made sense why I struggled to process it. I eat mainly olive oil, avocado n a bit of butter. I do sometimes cook with canola, but only in very small amounts. I do not react to these types of fats, just animal fats found in beef, pork and lamb, and Coconut n Palm oil.
The prevailing opinion of the majority of the medical profession which is not hunting for clicks on the internet is that the MOST important thing for whether fats are healthy is how much of the total fats are saturated. You want that to be low. Saturated fats increase risks of heart disease and unsaturated, both mono- and poly lower risks of heart disease.
So ranking from worse to best by percentage saturated is: palm oil 90%, coconut oil 80%, butter (all dairy) 60%, cocoa butter 60%, pork fat 50%, lamb 45%, beef 40%, chicken 35%, and then every other plant is less than 20%.
Then you should prefer to have as many traces of antioxidants (Vitamin E and phytosterols) as possible. All animal foods have none of those. Cold pressed and extra virgin plant oils will have most. This podcast suggests the losses of beneficial micronutrients while manufacturing more highly processed seed oils is less than most people would expect. But less of a good thing does not mean what is left is bad.
Personally I do not fear GM soya beans but if I did I would be worried about tofu, tempeh, and other foods containing soya beans - but not oil extracted from those beans. The oil contains virtually no genetic material, DNA or RNA, so the GM may change the beans but not the oil extracted from beans.
I don't tolerate coconut oil very well
@@rossmurray6849 Read up on Ancel Keys and HOW he vilified animal fat and dairy products - and WHY he did that. Which info did he refuse to look at and why.
I think the first thing you should say before proceeding further is to make a disclaimer that Professor Sarah Berry has never been sponsored by seed-oil companies in her research and her academic works.
Omg the comments on this are 😂 Who needs scientists, I guess? Another great podcast from educated people.
We need scientists. But we don't need manipulated results and statistics. Industries bought science and i am mourning it now. Saddly.
@@ravenismygod That’s actually quite funny, if lamentable for ZoE
Unfortunately there are a lot of other scientists in the world with different ideas. You could check them out.
You know seed oils are like one of the worst things you can put in your body right? lol. Check out my comment I have debunked the whole video very well. If you care about your health, which you must because you are here in the comments, you can do so much better than this health advice.
@@samburrell3288 where? Maybe deleted already?
I totally avoid palm oil (despite living for many years where most of it is grown, in Indonesia and Malaysia) because about 90% of the fats it contains are saturated. I totally avoid coconut oil for the same reason: about 80% of the fats it contains are saturated.
Which means stable, efficient, and clean-burning fuel for the mitochondria.
This is sooooo disappointing!!!!
Why promote ultra-processed / ultra-refined oils Zoe?
Heart disease timeline strongly correlates with smoking and vegetable oil.
not with saturated fat that is more stable and hardly oxidizes.
"More stable and hardly oxidizes" actually means it was already as unhealthy as it could become when you first got it.
I hope Sarah is going to be able to handle all the hate she's about to get.
Her department is probably getting a lot of love ($) from big food, though, just like Walter Willet and Dariush Mozzafarian in the US.
Big food. 😆
I don't think she is worried about a bunch of conspiracy theorists.
Because she has a different opinion after the research she has done? Galileo also has loads of hate for suggesting the Earth was round🫨
@@Hankydoodle1 Her opinion is not very different than what a person would believe to be true from what they hear from public health authorities. Quite different than being a Galileo.
Interesting. So rather than stick to one oil, it seems more beneficial to mix them, eg. olive oil and sunflower oil.
this information is so wrong and out of date… Cholesterol is vital to human life and cell integrity… it’s the oxidised cholesterol that is bad caused by excessive sugar. Saturated fat is the most stable and your body makes it … not polyunsaturated fats…
Since the extra virgin olive oil became so expensive, I have started using cold-pressed rapeseed oil. I've had no negative effects this far. I have lost 5-6 kilos (10-12 pound), but I don't know there is a connection. I use the olive oil in sallads and the rapeseed oil for cooking.
I use high oleic sunflower oil which is low in poly but high in mono. Also contains some SFA including C15:0