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DT Swiss 54T Ratchet Kit (And Why It's the Best $100 You'll Spend!)
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- DT Swiss 54t Star Ratchet Kit The DT Swiss 54T Ratchet kit works as a direct replacement for your stock ratchet. Simply remove the freehub body and swap out the parts included in the kit. Stock DT Swiss hubs come with 18 points of engagement, in a matter of minutes you can upgrade to 54 tooth engagement and drastically.
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The degree of engagement at the crank is what really matters for technical climbs. If you have 54 POE at the hub but you're in granny gear at 0.68 ratio, the hub will still have a 9.8deg play. The 108 POE hubs will give you 4.9deg play at that gear ratio which is cool. Once you experience less than 5deg play at the crank, there's no going back.
Can't beat it for the money, love mine. Works and sounds amazing.
I have 54 tooth upgrade on my DT Swiss XRC 1200 wheels, love that sound too, awesome
I'm going to get this done to my Santa Cruz Reserve wheelset with DT Swiss 350 for sure thank you for this
No problem, happy to help :)
I just recently watched that Farley/Swazey Chipendales skit! Thanks for the hub knowledge .👍
So pumped to finally find this! I asked at a shop and they weren’t aware of any options to do this. I HATE the slop in my hub. Ordered.
It's a pretty awesome low cost option vs buying a whole new hub.
This video is awesome! Easy to understand and definitely inspired me to upgrade!
Did the upgrade to the 54T from the 36T based on this video. It definitely feels quite a bit snappier. IMO, definitely worth it.
One note on install, be careful when removing the cassette, it could be stuck on there. If pulling on it hard, try to have a soft area (pile of shop towels) for the cassette to land on.
Way better feel to the hub with the 54t, not only engagement but the whole feel of the hub. And much, much better sound. Smart video.
Agreed and thanks!
I have this but I was originally looking for a 3 degree hub. Settled for this as a compromise for price and I've definitely enjoyed it. It sounds great too.
Karina you made a good choice! This is plenty of engagement and definitely affordable compared to a hub with 3-degree engagement. What bike are you riding?
Worldwide Cyclery I'm riding a pole evolink 140 :)
I actually broke the rear wheel two weeks ago and I'm currently looking at buying a set of industry nine hubs and stans flow rims from my local.
I wonder how far they could take these ratchets. They are basically just rings with teeth on them in the end but the 54T rings already look like pretty fine machining is required. I doubt they could get to a 100+ teeth ring but I wonder if they could go further or if they decided trough RnD 54T was the max viable option?
Chris Farley ! That Chippendale’s skit is legendary
I saw that Presidents’ Day sale and I jumped all over it. Can’t wait to see the improvement. Thanks for the video man
Happy to help :)
Me who just wants a louder hub because people move when they hear it instead of a bell
Just ordered new wheels that come with the DT350 and immediately ordered the 54t upgrade as well! Current hubs have 60t, so I can't fathom going all the way back to just 18t!
It would be hard to go back!
Got it a few months back it's amazing
Mike Kobylasz awesome! What bike are you riding?
Not to diminish the sweetness of 54t engagement, but the machining involved makes the teeth finer, which makes them easier to break off especially if you hammer. Check them periodically to look for chipped teeth. Those little busted off pieces are grinding around on the rest of the ratchets which can make more of the teeth chip. They sure do work and sound sweet though.
I’ve only seen this happen with e bikes. Because of the extra torque
Chris and Pamela, Great choices for desktop backgrounds!
Thanks!
i have tried out different ratchet lubricants, and 75W transmission oil is hands down the best to reduce wear on the ratchet surfaces. also with this viscous oil, ratchet is way more silent.
One of the best upgrades I have made. My bike came with an 18T ratchet and after installing the 54T, it has been night and day difference.
I'd love to put this on my 3x drivetrain for even more range. Granny gearing up the steepest slopes bahahaha
@@KandiKlover I think you are mixing up the teeth on the ratchet and the teeth on the cassette!
Great video and helpful review. Keep it up! Greetings from Switzerland. 👌
I wish I could visit Switzerland 😔
I upgraded my 240s from 18 to 36 when the kits came out a few years ago and it was worthwhile, but I won’t bother upgrading further. I still prefer my 36 point 240 to my King hubs
The engagement is hard to let go. I have an old shimano silent hub and the instant engagement is addicting. I also love hearing nothing but tire noise when I free-wheel.
Just ordered. I absolutely love my bike, but the 18t on a $9k bike with $2k wheels is criminal
Holy shit that's a damn robbery.
I absolutely love the Seinfeld intro music.
2:30 Jeff , the word you're looking for is " law of diminishing returns " ;)
You sure are right hahaha. The difference is negligible with smaller variances in higher engagement hubs but the 18 to 54 tooth jump makes all the difference in the world!
There is an optimal sweet spot between degree of engagement , Drag & Durability of the tooth. I do trust DT Swiss will install what they have experienced to be the best ratchet Tooth option for their wheels! Because DT swiss wants to make the best wheels they can in a market where there is a lot of competition and they don't want wheel components that have a slightly higher change of faillure within the factory warrenty period.
In my case that dt swiss choice : is the original dt swiss 36T ratchet (right in the middle between
The 36 Tooth was factory installed for a reason in my DTswiss 240s hub MTB Wheel, wich is performing flawlessly for the past 4 years.
One of the reasons why dt swiss doesn't produce a 60t ratchet- unlike some cheaper (aliexpress Brand) chinese hi tensile steel ratchet replica's do - is also because 60 small teeth has not got enough grip or durability.
In fact DTSwiss for their Hybrid ebike H series of wheels wich have to be able to handle higher amounts of torque chose to install 26 Tooth ratchets and harder steel freewheel body's in stead of softer aluminum.
At last - besides the higher pitch sound like a bunch of flying bees on the track ;-) it is said there's more DRAG while coasting and freewheeling on a 54tooth what will happen a lot when going downhill and when taking sharp corners or rapidly repeating berms.
For some people who's main goal is only to have the best possible option of quicker engagement or want to try something else without worrying about these other properties I mentioned : 54t can be a good aftermarket option.
I have the PR1600 dicut with the 350's. Such beautiful crafted rims. I'm going to have to do this. Been loving them stock though.
I upgraded my dt swiss 350 from 18T to 36T a few years back , don't think they had a 54T option at that time. Price stung a bit but yeah hugely noticeable difference even to 34T so this would be great!
best upgrade for sure! was a completely different bike
some hubs work on anti reverse roller bearing clutch like a fishing reel. You get instant and infinite engagement points on those wheels so that must be worth at least $1000000.
Love the Beverly Hills ninja wall paper😂☠️
At the shop I work at, our buddy looks just like the dude so we photo shopped his face onto it and then made it our screen saver on all the computers😂
Must be a shop thing🤷♂️
I have just performed the same upgrade for the sounds.
Did you experience on your side less coasting effect on the hub?
Here whatever the level of grease I apply, the free wheel turns the cranks 💁
I am on dt Swiss 240 hubs
This size of the wheel also makes a big deal. Degree convert to inches of role back. I am not sure I would ever want to ride a not super engagement hub off road again. This is a great compromise but my Onyx hubs make the freewheel go away. Quite, instant and low drag worth every penny and gram.
But why does two machined pieces of steel cost $100?
Yeah sadly that is true. I have got a new bike with 350 hubs and a 18t ratchet, and i can see the advantage of an upgrade, but 100 bucks are still 100 bucks.
The tolerances on the 54T ring is crazy. These two rings are manufactured in the same factory they make Rolex watches.
SleepBikeEat Nope.
In fact they were like 30 bucks when they came up and as DT saw that everybody wanted those, they boosted the price!! I know cause I wanted that upgrade back then and read about it on forums. Everybody was pissed off and were looking to still find it at 30.... I wanted it so bad but at minimum 3 times the price, I just kept my 18T! lol
Does seem expensive! You'd have to ask DT Swiss. Maybe because of the high quality aluminum needed along with that they just don't make very many of these so without mass production it's hard for them to get the price down.
Subscribed after you wreaked the bag m8!
I'm still sad about that, it could have been a great bag of Funyons :(
At Sea Otter Classic DT Swiss will complete the conversion to a 54t for $25. What a deal.
I have these 54T ratchets and they are loud, hikers jump off the trail when they hear it! (btw I found on ebay for $75 last yr)
My 18 tooth ratchets are silent. I prefer loud to let people know i am approaching. I dont stop.
So on a road bike 18T is good enough? Would it make any difference upgrading to the 24T or 36T besides the sound?
Thank you so much for your time.
4:19 i dont mind the hubs but that pamela lee anderson photo at the back brings memories
Love Funyuns!!!!! Nice video....
Felt decree 3 carbon fun bike just wish I did some research on other brands I'm the guy who buys shit before I know there is better stuff out there lol! Great kit this makes a huge difference
lol we have all been there before, still a sweet bike!
i use dt swiss 350s 100x15 and 135x10. i use an aftermarket ratchet set at 60 tooth. i use an mrp chain guide with a slider.
Are there any cheap wheels that still use the star ratchet system? Seems like the current ones are all the different 1900 sets, which all seem to use a pawl system. Cheapest wheelset in a store I am looking at that has one is the XM 1700, but already with 32t, but also already at 560€.
Any other budgetish choices with decent engagement?
DTSwiss 54T Star Ratchet: Engagement is sweet, but massive drag totally sucks. Basically, if you like achieving efficiency and speed in your coasting look elsewhere. I have it and it is ridiculously draggy :-(
And here I was thinking I was the only person that drinks beers, eats funyuns and looks at pictures of Pamela Anderson... 😆
:)
I’ve got a carbon giant xcr 1 wheelset. It says that the hubs have DT internarls, so am I able to set this ratchet kit? (I’ve got a giant anthem 1 2017
Thanks for asking, you may be able to but I would recommend pulling your wheel off and sliding your cassette off just to check and see if you have a ratchet system before ordering.
Debated between the 36t and the 54t. Glad I went with the 54t. Huge difference and world of a difference from a 18t. Little pricey but imo well worth it.
Definitely worth it!
All dtswiss hubs should all come with 54 tooth engagement. Its suprising how much better it is..
Agreed, if they made this their standard, it would just up their market share...people that had em on stock bikes would love them and keep buying them instead of going to something else after it breaks, or because it has crap engagement.
That ending :-) !
DT Swiss has the best ratchet sounds on the market
Thanks Matt. Highly appreciated. Greetings from Switzerland. 👍
Industry 9 has the best hubs sound and engagement.
2:45 yeah but shouldnt you spin it at the same speed to be impartial?
What is the easiest way to upgrade your points of engagement on any mtb bicycle? thank you.
Hey guys,
I need some technical advise. I have a 2020 trek roscoe 8 and I am trying to upgrade the rear hub, but the problem is the boost type it uses (141) which it makes very difficult to find hibs with that type of boost measurement. I would like to upgrade to a dt swiss, but I am not sure I can find the right boost type in the dt swiss web site.
Thanks for any advise.
Looks great. I have a SRAM XD driver; don't know how many teeth there are inside. How can I check. Does a similar upgrade exists for it ?
If you have to chose between a DT swiss E 1900 splne Wheel set or just upgrading your stock wheels with dt swiss 350 hub which one would you pick ?
OK, I'm still curious myself about the preferences of many riders. More particularly the riders in knarly terrain preferring the 36 hub due to rear suspension kinematics and minimizing pedal kickback by not exceeding the 36 hub. Is there not that much difference in pedal kickback going up to a 52 (depends I guess on your suspension design)?
This is good, I'm actually learning something about the hubs that I never gave too much thought to before.
~JSV
Great vid!! But is this compatible with a dt swiss 1900 spline hub?
Will this slow me down on my road bike and affect my avg speed? Thank u
I think my Chris King hubs had 72 points of Engagement or maybe it was 84 I don't know but they engaged instantly
Yes once you go high engagement, its hard to go back to lesser hubs.
You funny guyyy!!😁
Do you think the DT 240 S hub worth the extra cost vs DT 350?Thanks
I have the fr1950 classics 18t, is there a specific kit for this hub or will any 36t fit?
Any recommendation on a substitute grease I can pick up locally at automotive, Or hardware store ? My kit will arrive without it and don't want to wait another shipping period for brand name.
Forget the grease, let the pure bliss of pissed off mechanical bees be as loud as possible to warn any potential creatures on the trail ahead to get the hell out of the way.
Now i get confused with my upgrade either to buy Dt swiss and upgrade to 54T, 6.6 degree engagement or buy i9 120 POE 3 degree . is there any noticeable different between 6.6 and 3 degree in terms of engagement and other factors like wight and sound? i am running giant hub 24T 3 PAWL system
The new I9 is like 600 something POE...0.52degree. Not the same sound as before... I've got the Torch ones but now I need to change wheels and it's making me sad but I'll probably go with Dt 350 54T instead of I9. I think I'll see a difference but so little that I'll forget it after 2 rides...
I think I need this on my 4.5
Can these ratchets only be fitted to DT Swiss hubs? I'm running some Novatec alloy rims which I believe use their own hubs.
Long story but my rear wheel was cracked and I managed to get a second hand set of DT Swiss E 1700's for a good price in good condition. They have the standard 18 points of engagement so I might upgrade at some point. Can't find a lot of info about them online since they're older wheels but can you tell me, are they pretty good? I weigh 100kg, probably closer to 110kg with all my riding gear so I need pretty strong wheels. Thanks
love your prime pam muse back there lol
I’m contemplating replacing the 36t on my new Hightower lt, but after riding my brothers bike with the 54 in a dt240 I’ve got quite sick of the noise, I just find it annoying.
413X if you put a bit more grease in the ratchet it'll deaden the noise substantially and make it sound much less raspy.
Excuse me. The default dt swiss 240s hub comes with star ratchet system or 3 pawls system? If so, how many teeth are the ratchet? Thank you!
What do you prefer? Chris king or dt swiss for xc?
Hi I have a 2020 specialised fuse 27.5 what sort of DT Swiss kit do I need?
The 54T ratchet system is also much weaker than the 18T. I have a pair of DT-Swiss XMC1200 spline wheels with 240S hubs that come with 54T. I have really strong legs and I managed to break the teeth on the 54T on a steep climb. It is an easy fix to replace the ratchet, but I will personally get the 18T instead. I have a pair of 350 hubs with 18T and they are way stronger and work just fine.
There's a 36T upgrade, too.
I ride a 54, never had a problem. I'm 96kg and have legs like a tree and do competition velodrome sprinting . I break the chain and have more than 5 times. I have no idea how you broke the ratchet before a chain link unless it wasn't fit properly.
Any chance you can put together a video of the 54T upgrade for the 180 EXP? Trying to figure out how to remove the non-floating clutch while figuring out why it requires $100 of special tools!
www.worldwidecyclery.com/blogs/worldwide-cyclery-blog/dt-swiss-240-exp-rear-hub-how-to-upgrade-to-the-54t-star-ratchet-kit?trk_msg=3BG0E69B7JMK7FBLKCEM9R0PO4&trk_contact=D1H6TNOLAGNNOHDU1DF2K1TTF0&trk_module=new&trk_sid=OFJ0G7VM69UBT1LIMHCBKAQ6B8&trk_link=S5A5GQBLQQA4D0NIE6HVCQL4OO&How+To%26nbsp%3b%2f%2f+Change%2c+Service+or+Upgrade+Your+DT+Swiss+EXP+Ratchet+Kit&Video%3a+Ask+Jeff+Anything+-+Volume+10&Ask+Jeff+V10
Hi there, i have a sram rail 50 wheelset, was wondering, as these seem to have a similar systems, these are compatible with those hubs? Cheers and great vid!
Unfortunately the ratchet kit will only work with DT Swiss hubs :/ Let us know if you have any other questions!
shits funny dood, keep it up
My 1700 has 36 SL, would i notice a difference if I got the 54?
Omg the ending is ridonkulas!
will this also stop that noise of your chain engaging and pulling the cassete on the downhill
hmmm idk about that one!
I bought one off ebay for 50% less. Seems to work. Been riding for 6 months on it.
These kits go on any hub ?
2 years later how about now? I would not trust something that important to Chinese corner cutting
@@UncletonyC No it can only go in specific DT Swiss hubs that use their star ratchet system. Some of their lower end hubs don't us their star ratchet system
Maybe it is a stupid question, but will this work on older mtb from 2017 that has 2x6 gear setup?
I am a road bike user and the sound of 18T is really good. Where can I check if it fits to my hub? Also how can I check mines tooth number? Since undoing the wheel and zips are hard. Thanks for answering.
Do you have Zipp hubs? This particular kit is only made for DT-swiss hubs :(
Worldwide Cyclery I am using Giant Pa-2 stock wheelset. They are made by Dt swiss. Sooo there might be a chance but risk is too high. Thanks for helping. Maybe buying a wheel with dt swiss hub is more reasonable.
My hub happens to have the 36, so would it be very noticeable to go to the 54?
Yes I think you would definitely notice a difference although not as drastic as switching from 18 to 54 :)
I know this is an older video, but still giving it a try with a Question.
I have a DT Swiss 350 Hybrid Hub, with 24T ratchet on my eMTB.
In your experience, is it a bad or good idea to upgrade this with the 54T kit ? Thinking of the extra torque of the eMTB motor maybe is a problem for a 54T compared to the original 24T ratchet ?
If I were you, I may only go with a 36 tooth. The only time I’ve noticed when the 54 tooth would chip is on a eMTB.
@@theadventuregamer6693 Thanks. I did go with the 54T, and been working for 6 months so far.
But if it do break, i will go with the 36T instead.
Sweet edit and channel! #bikelife
I just bought a Dt Swiss 350 hub and I have a 36t in it know. Is it worth going to a 54t for a road bike or stay with a 36t? Thanks
You would definitely notice an increase in engagement however not as significant as going from 18 to 54. Either way, I think its a great upgrade and worth it considering what you get for the money :) Let us know if you have any other questions!
Is it ok to use the ratchets without the special grease (I mean normal grease, not no grease)
Best not.
Does it quiet down the free hub?
Hi, may i know the 36t and 54 what diffrent in this two star ratchet ??
The more teeth you have, the faster your engagement.
Will this compatible with my e1700 spline wheelset? And will it be loud? I mean my current 1700 is silent, which i dont like...
Yes, 54T Star Ratchets are loud.
How about going from 36 to 54? That’s like going from 10° down to 6°. Much difference there?
Do you have to have dt Swiss hubs to use these
Better than 18. Miss my profiles though.
would this work for the m1700 spline 30 hub that came on my canyon spectral?
It should yes as long as they are the 350 hubs you should be good to go!
Doooood. Chris Farley was awesome!
This is compatible with dt swiss m1700?
Would this work on a joytech 135x10mm rear hub?
Can I install a 54 in my 240?
You sure can! www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/dt-swiss-54t-star-ratchet-kit-2-star-ratchets-2-springs-and-grease You will notice the improvement instantly!
How much will it costs to install in a bike shop? How loud is the hub? My original Dt Swiss Hub on my Dh bike is quieter than a standard xt hub
All depends on the shop, you can send us an email at info@worldwidecyclery.com for more information :)