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DT Swiss - Star Ratchet Install + Comparison
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2020
- Ever want to change your DT Swiss hub? Well, as it turns out it is really simple. Here is how you do it and what it will do for your sound and engagement points!
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Great video! I just upgraded my DT 370 swiss 3-pawl, with the 18t kit. I was easy to install just like you laid it out. I have only had a few rides with it, but so far so good. After awhile, I might step up to the 36t. We'll see. Keep up the good work.
350s with 54t,great set!
I am happy with it so far that’s for sure.
Just bought 350 hubs. Cnt wait to build and feel what you were discussing. Great review👍
Nice! Thanks for watching and good luck
Answered my question in 7:34 .
Was gonna ask which do you think would be stronger for the added torque of an eMTB. So I'm figuring the 18T... perhaps mated to a steel freehub body (don't know if DT Swiss offer these)
Great video. Thanks for the information
Just bought a fast forward ryot 44 with dt350 18t. I'm waiting for my new road frame to bring them together. I was planning to have 36t upgrade set, just because climbing more than 1000meters every 100km. Should i get 36t, or is it good with 18t with road bike?
Great Video ! 🤘🏼
Hi, Planning to upgrade I have dt-swiss 350 (36T)
Which one is better 54 or 60 , Original one or China.
Thanks
Do you know what causes the wobbling and the change in noise in some parts of the revolution? I have the 370 hub with the 18 tooth ratchet and wobbles and changes noise
Can I use ratchet sounds in this video to my app? I have plan to create application simulate bike ratchet sounds.
Hi. Can i fix a 54-36 with 11-30 on my new shimano r9200 12 speed? thanks!
Awesome video thanks
DT Swiss Upgrade Kit Superlight 36T is compatibility with DT SWISS 350 ROAD thru axle? 🤔
Dont forget about the added bonus of bell removal with the 54T lol
In a road bike, which one would be the best kit? Can you notice the difference between the 18T and 36T on smooth roads?
Thanks for your time and happy new year!!!
I would probably go 18T. Higher engagement for road doesn’t mean much to me once you get in a good rhythm you will have that solid engagement all the time even with the 18.
How much grease for 54t
Hi Boss can DT Swiss 350 Hub put 54T thanks
I have the DT Swiss 180 hubs, after watching your video I took mine apart thinking they might have a 18 tooth but to my surprise they came with 36 tooth.
Hi what year was your DT 180 hubs. As mine is a 2016 hub I'm not sure if it comes stock with a 18T or the 36T as u mentioned
@@chowychow my DT Swiss 180 hubs came stock on my 2020 YT Izzo
@@jennifersdustyktm4679 Perfect thank you for confirming!
Get the 54t for the 180s it sounds insane!
I have roval traverse wheels with 36t of engagement and it has dt swiss internals. Can I use this ratchet kit?
Yes, all dt swiss ratchet kits are cross compatible with most roval wheels with 350 or 240 internals
Hi would dt 240 work ok on a heavy e bike and what rachet would suit best please
Yes it would work and I would go either 18 or 24. 36 might be okay but not the 54.
Help, can the 350s be used on the road? I just purchased a Wheelset with 350s. They have not arrived yet, I didn’t think to ask.
There are road versions of DT350 hubs. I am not sure I understand your question fully.
225? Is it made of gold? I got mine for 50euros that is like 72cad.
How's the 54t holding up and is there any noticeable drag? DT should do away with the 18t and at a minimum have 36t ... Ordered a Mach 6 but it won't be here for 60 days. Comes with the 350 and thinking about upgrading to 54t but wondering if it's a significant difference in engagement and drag.
Thx for the video, if/when I buy I'll come back and follow!
It is holding up well, I do not notice any real drag at all. If you are concerned just stick with the 36, there really isn’t much difference on trail when it comes to engagement. Thanks for watching.
@@IslandBikeLifespin the cranks back and see how quickly the wheel starts rotating backwards. That will be the drag.
Hey there One Question, just wondering what makes the wobbling noise? If anyone can helps. I have checked my cassette and it’s all nice and tight
They all seem to do that. Balancing is not perfect.
Will it fit on a dura ace hub?😅
no
Is the DT Swiss grease supplied with a new set critical, or can you use regular grease (Phil Wood) or shock grease instead? Thanks
Use Phil Tenacious Oil, small application by brush. Works flawlessly!
buy the proper DT grease, it's a small pot that'll last ages
Is that a 350?
I have the 36t is it worth upgrading to the 54t?
Nope
Hello I have a dt Swiss 2200 hubs the rear is quick realease I would like to know if I can do this set up? I like most is the 54t.please reply thank you so much and have a great day!
Those run 370 hubs which you need an additional conversion kit to go from the pawls to a star ratchet system. By the time you get that and the star ratchet it is probably more cost efficient to get a new 350 hub and rebuild the wheel.
@@IslandBikeLife sorry my rear wheel is a dt Swiss e 2200 2 pawl so I don’t know if I can convert it to rachet system like yours. I would like to know if this is possible to convert.thank you so much and have a great day.
Can the 54t fit a 370 hub?
With the ratchet conversion. But by the time you get all of that you are better getting a 350 hub
Hi there ! with more engagements, do the free hub last longer ?! On my roval DT350 18t, my rear hub don't last, my wheel is stopping earlier than my other wheels (more free wheel with my campagnolo or tunes hubs) do you have an explanation ? if I upgrade 18t to 54t, will I have an improvement, ? thanks a lot !
My Campagnolo Bora WTO wheels spin 5x longer than my Roval CL50 (DT 350)...I just ordered the 54t kit, but figure the Campy wheelset has much better hubs & ceramic bearings.
@@jeckyl556 Is there a loss of performance on the road? Or is it insignificant?
@@aspartakus Depends really on the terrain you're riding IMO....I think the 54t is better for the instant engagement, and I also like the sound. When riding in a big group...it let's those behind me know to ease off peddling...so it serves several purposes. My Bora wheels are really good though per instant engagement.
As I have a road dt 240 hub with the 18T engagement, I am now considering the higher teeth, which come to these 36T and 54T. I personally love the sound of the 54T, which is my first option to go for. However, in term of maintenance, the 36T would be a great choice in between as you said. So, which one do you think work best for me? Thanks :)
I cannot see a scenario where a 54T would be a benefit for road biking. I would go with the 36T for sure.
@@IslandBikeLife I appreciated your reply! One more thing to ask is about the maintenance of each ratchet between 36T and 54T. How often do you think we should do in term of maintenance for each of them? Thanks!
Once a year at least. Depending on the weather and your riding. I take mine apart, clean and degrease every 6 months or so
@@IslandBikeLife thank you! 😊
I’d stick with the 18t for road. More teeth = more drag when coasting which is why road bike hubs typically have fewer engagement points as a feature.
Middle of road everyday !
I am looking for road wheels. I want hubs that are quiet and low maintenance. Should I avoid DT Swiss hubs altogether?
CK (Chris King) and Industry Nine bike hubs are amazing when it comes to engagement and producing a satisfying hub sound. However, compared to DT Swiss hubs that use a star ratchet system, they can be a bit tricky to service as they require a special tool. DT Swiss has prioritized serviceability in their hub design, which makes them much easier to maintain than most hubs. In fact, servicing a DT Swiss hub is quite easy - if you can fix a flat tire, you can handle the job. No special tool is required, making it a convenient option for those who like to do their own bike maintenance. So, when choosing between the two, serviceability may be a significant factor to consider.
Is the 54t much louder (vs18t)? It seems on the video! I like the sound!
Yes it really is. I think it sounds great though.
Is 54t as loud as an i9 1/1? My DT 350 36t wasn't that loud so I sold it. Now I'm considering a carbon wheelset with 54t.. I want the nice loud buz lol.
Did anyone actually "downgraded" from 36T to 18T and misses the engagement? I'm using the 36T on my road bike. For my folding bike I would love to have something quiter.
I love the DT Swiss hubs for being maintenance friendly but they are not exactly quiet.
Have some end float in the free hub am I being fussy ?
No, excess free play anywhere is both sapping & causes damage. Perfection is in the small details, & the synergic effect of "blueprinting", or eliminating imperfections on the whole machine cannot bought. Shim it out, cut your own & get a perfect interference fit by lapping it thinner if required using fine wet & dry paper taped over a sheet of glass. As you don't have to take heat expansion issues into consideration, just the lightest kiss of the mating faces is proper.
Retired Caterpillar trained mech.
I have Shimano XT hubs, does anyone make a kit like this for my hub? Thanks.
Nope
I have 36t rachet only because my wheel builder only has in stock does me as I only do light trails no technical involved and yes 54's will wear alot quicker because finer teeth..
I've heard that the 54t is not as durable, is that the case?
Subjectively yes that’s the case. The face of the ratchets are much smaller and so could be more prone to damage. I haven’t experienced a failure.
@@IslandBikeLife oh shoot thats a quick reply, thanks!
@@IslandBikeLife how long should they last?
@@YesItsKevin I had a 54 ratchet on a Pivot Firebird used for enduro for 8 months (2 years of riding in Canada). No problem, no maintenance at all, even some winter riding. I weight 170lbs and heavy on the sprints.
Uffff 54t .mejor que una hope 4 pro?
I bought the 54t last year for about 70€.
I bet. Our prices here are crazy, though the conversion on Euro right now is just over double, so around $160 CAD. That doesn’t take into account shipping and duties.
Seem to have come down in price. $120 AUD (105 CAD) for the 54 now.
What difference the ratchet makes??
Engagement. If you're climbing a hill/incline, there is less slop. More teeth = less slop.
and sound
54T sounds like a buzz saw
Bought a 350 hub with 54t. Am disappointed that the sound is very soft.
just installed 350 18T.. and since it's newly greased, it's too quiet. might need to buy a bell so people will notice im behind
That's why I don't use any grease ;-)
@@basengelblik5199 upgraded to 36T.. sounds better!
@@nashjacinto9473 It definitely does. Love the sounds in my new 240 hubs. Bought a tiny bell at the same time, but that has become obsolete. Weight saving of 39 grams.
well get a bell then
The 350s are almost silent once greased and on the bike :( Quieter even than shimano. My zipp 202 sound like a chainsaw by comparison. Hoping the 54t version is louder!
Two single rachets are significantly cheaper than the "kit". You don't need to replace the springs to change the ratchet.
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On your "brike?".
Hahha did so say that. Funny, good catch
the 36 is already annoying me lol. 18T is the way for me and honestly if they had less I'd probably be riding with less than 18T for the sake of the annoying noise....
I "upgraded" to the 54T and after the first ride took those out and put the 18T back in lol... That's how bad it was that noise...
More greece = less noise.
@@jeckyl556 More turkey = less worky
I'm sorry but that buzzing drives me crazy, I replaced my rear with a hope hub and while I really like the engagement I am really starting to dislike the amount of noise it makes. I may have to look at a onyx roller hub
I understand totally. I was on Onyx hubs for about 1.5 years. I liked the dead silence but they also had some downsides. I don’t mind this sound as much as an I9 hub which I also ran. Also, the audio for the comparison was recorded with a quality directional mic so it Is really defined and clear.
@@IslandBikeLife what were the issues that you had with the onyx , is there a video about it?
No video about it. They were great and pretty reliable. The clutch system was good the whole time and didn't cause any issues. I found the bearings wore extremely fast and the locking ends came loose often. They were very heavy and the instant engagement was almost too much, there was a lot of pedal feedback because the slightest movement forward grabbed and so in rough sections it would be amplified a lot.
@@IslandBikeLife thanks for responding, that's good to know, I'm a big guy I'm not that worried the weight to much
The Hopes I think have the loudest engagement or all. I love that sound, helps warn hikers as I don't wanna use a bell ... But yeah, IMO the Hopes are almost too loud and I could see it getting annoying.
Damn this ratchet are expensive! I'm in Singapore and I got 54 for 70 bucks local which is about USD50.
Where did you get it ? I’m also in Singapore !
@@prbrown509 dcbikes
That's really cheap man lucky.
Maybe you got the ZTTO.. Original cost at least $150sgd
Yours is the oem ratchet, not the authentic one since the price
it looks like your camera has the focus on the background rather than you.
225 dollars for those 52T ratchet ?
I guess it would be better to buy spank hex drive hubs just spending some more dollars which have 102T and 6 pawls giving 612 POE.
win win !
Your wheels rusty, mine probably the same way I never checked it no tools 😂 54t so expensive in CA currency. Should have friend in America buy for you then pay him and have him ship to you.
No shit! I have no buddies down in America unfortunately.
@@IslandBikeLife if you can find one in stock I am happy to mail
too bad you can't get 54t without it being noisy as hell
Just put lots and lots of grease on there ;-)
Pretty rusty wheels for such a nice hub
In china, you can buy 5 new complete bikes for the price of this single component. Must be made of gold ...